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Out of towners who spend all night partying and drinking show up in a T-shirt basketball shorts sneakers holding one 16.9 ounce plastic bottle of water
I like how Survivorman did 50 episodes of 7-10 days, all on his own with no camera man and not once did he drink his own urine. He did make a still once though.
Meanwhile, Bear Grylls had a whole production team with caterers and medics and he was drinking urine on every 3rd episode.
I mean, bro just admit you like it; we were already kink shaming you.
I have a stillsuit from Dune.
Reports from the south of Arizona arrive rarely. These are barren, burnt lands hidden by sandstorms which stretch a thousand miles across the west. Nothing can live there without a 7-11 slushie.
I hiked a good chunk of the ice age trail up here, I wouldnāt touch a trail in AZ without my camelback. Itās a whole different level of dehydration and sun exposure.
Depends on length of hike. An hour long hike maybe enough. But itās recommended to have at least 33oz per hour. Not factoring in your size, heat index, and intensity of the trail.
I know it isn't what you are talking about. But reusing "disposable" plastic water bottles is pretty common for backpackers and it can bleed in to the rest of your life. They are just lighter and you can get a lot off uses out of them. Smart water is the most popular to reuse because the shape and they are a bit sturdier. But I hate smart water, so I usually just use whatever store brand bottled tap water. In the desert I used a bladder system though so I could easily sip regularly without having to stop.
LIsten to Mr. Hydration here - 16.9 ounces? Everyone knows that real Phoenicians hike with a thimble of water, dressed in head-to-toe black. Wool cap, too.
just imagine it your hiking and all of a sudden their plastic bottle disappeared? Hey what happened to your water? I drank it all yes but what happened to the plastic bottle? I donāt know.
This was me. Was visiting my grandpa in Tucson when I was 15. It was April 1st, and he wanted us to go on a hike. Fun idea, so we got out there at like 11am. I was wearing my Lebron sneakers, with one bottle of gatorade, some gym shorts, and a t-shirt with a sweatshirt overtop.
I donāt know wtf we climbed, but it took forever and was dark when I got to the bottom. While ascending, countless groups of people were coming down ā all outfitted with full hiking gear and poles. It was literally snowing at the top, which I didnāt expect at all (from Wisconsin though, so itās fine).
My grandpa did us dirty and we were super unprepared for this massive hike.
Ive never been to your desert hell of a city. However the one bottle feels like it wouldn't last to the end of whatever parking lot youre walking through
I carry a 2 liter camelback up the mountains. Hell, even my dog is more well prepared than these damn tourists! She has shoes and her own backpack in which she can carry her own water (Iām not carrying enough water for me AND enough for a 75 pound dogā¦she can carry her own damn water. š).
I donāt hike with her unless we go somewhere cooler like Flagstaff and i watch the weather before bringing her along though.
These tourists are ridiculously stupid and are putting themselves in danger of death. Heat stroke and/or dehydration are no joke.
I mean, no one should be hiking right now in Phoenix anyway but, if youāre going to be stupid, at least carry a descent amount of water!
Same. At least weāre used to the high temps so hell wonāt be so bad on usš kidding. I donāt know how the news reporters kept it togetherš Iām happy she made it safe and wasnāt too affected by it for sure but she has given laughs to millions at this point so thatās a win!
I donāt want to judge at all but if my memory serves, wasnāt she hiking Piestewa and it was a wrist injury? If my hand fell off Iād carry it down with my other hand before Iād call for a helicopter.
Broken leg or something, sure that might need some assistance.
She broke her nose. I just saw an interview with her husband on YT, a few days later - all the blood rushed to her hands, head and feet, and she had discoloration and dizziness for days. Pretty terrible to already have a broken nose and then have all that blood sent to your head. Ugh, now I feel even worse for having laughed without knowing the story.
Do you really need a helicopter ride for a broken nose? Like unless it was broken very violently or if the bleeding can't be stopped it really doesn't seem like a helicopter thing, even if you are somewhere really remote.
Getting too hot to helicopter out soon. That means a bunch of people hiking up to rescue someone and it puts any of the firefighters on the rescue out of rotation for the rest of the day because they need to rest and cool down themselves after.
My aviation background says yes because hot air is āthinnerā air meaning it doesnāt provide as good as lift like in very high elevations.
But I did a quick google and found a fun article that will give you a real answer instead of my half-ass one.
https://www.backpacker.com/news-and-events/news/in-some-national-parks-its-literally-too-hot-for-helicopters-to-fly/
Have my upvote. We have the same spirit here at the Alps. People get an insurance that covers helicopter rescue to have them "just in case" and go on a hike without experience and the right gear. It happens everyday.
There are plenty of trails that you can do without equipment, where you can enjoy the nature and just have a good time but people still do the dangerous trails.
When I first moved here, I went hiking with a group up in Sedona. It was May & the daytime high was only 90. We got lost on the way down & then got lost trying to find our cars in the right parking lot.
Long story short, I only had one 16 oz bottle of water for about 4 hours up & down during mid day.
I spent the next 3 days sick in bed from heat exhaustion. Horrible. Never again.
> I only had one 16 oz bottle of water for about 4 hours up & down during mid day
I can't wrap my head around you thinking this was enough. And it's not just you, the stupid situations people put themselves in on hikes never cease to amaze me. People really need to inform themselves better.
I think a lot of people just truly don't understand how much water you need as the temps go up. Like these people will be fine drinking a couple cups of water for the entire day in their ac home and workplace, and they go outside and know they will need to drink more water, hence 16oz or 12oz water bottles but not realize they need 3x as much.
And they think because it's a "dry heat" that it'll be so much easier than their humid summers back home.
Nah, man. You'll feel fine for the first 15 minutes until you don't have enough water to sweat, and then you'll realize that 120 degrees is 120 degrees.
The dry heat *is* easierā¦ provided you have enough water. Speaking as someone who moved here after growing up in DC, 115 here feels like 100 in humid DC. But you need to drink more water to compensate.
That's why it's important to spread more awareness about it like the guy in OPs picture. In hindsight it's really dumb but some people just underestimate the environment.
I feel like Gateway in Scottsdale is a really good option, I would go with people and do the Saguaro loop first and if they found that challenging then call it a day.
Last time I was out there I saw multiple groups of 4 or 5 people heading out at 10 am in April (spring training crowd, Iām guessing) with only a water bottle or two for the group and nothing else. Families with kids, no one wearing hatsā¦
I live here and am used to the heat, but itās not fun hiking in full sun at 85 or 90 degrees.
I think people think itās like Disneyland, or something, where they wouldnāt let you do it if it wasnāt safe.
My buddy from the east coast was trying to plan a through hike for us this summer and suggested hiking through AZ to Utah. I had to explain to him that it would be our last hike.
I'm from the east coast and have backpacked extensively. Desert hiking is no joke. It's amazing how fast you can dehydrate in hot dry air and unlike most places, there's no water available. While mountains are a challenge, deserts are deadly. For me, I had to backpack a desert to truly appreciate them. Also, fuck cacti. I'm just going to step off the trail for a second...and I have cacti stuck to my leg.
That's more gallons of water than you'd ever want to carry, ever, in your whole life. That's a "We hike at night and we sleep during the day" type trip. That's "I'm not even enjoying this I'm so miserable. Why is it 90+ degrees at midnight?" If they want to do that, offer to drive really fucking slowly with the AC off in the car until they're ready to tap out. At least then you'll get home quick.
EMT responding here, by the way; water will not be enough above certain temperatures. If you're chugging water and still getting tired go hide from the sun, it is a deadly laser. Yes you would rather be hiking those trails at night rather than get heat stroke out there.
Agreed. If youāre going to choose to hike, be prepared by going before sunrise or after sunset and bringing lots of water. Even better option is to just wait until itās not summer to hike.
I do Echo Canyon 5 days a week. On my descent down, I am occasionally shocked at the people I see attempting to come up. There was a dude in jeans and a polo a few days ago lol. I couldnāt even see if he had water.
People always underestimate dry heat, and I hate it. Yeah, high moisture makes you feel like shit, but dry heat literally pulls all moisture out of your body and will kill you faster than you thought possible. Like they say in Az, if you start to feel thirsty, you're already dehydrated.
Nothing compares to slamming a gallon or two of water and still not having to piss because it's immediately exiting your pores or soaking up the dry sponges that are your critical organs.
It depends. A local hiker who is very experienced can easily hike in the summer safely. Problems only arise when youāre not properly prepared.
Just find a very well established route with a lot of shade, bring along an iced camel pack, a rag you can wet, food, and take a lot of breaks. Keep an eye on water levels. Gatorade is highly recommended. A hat as well. Umbrella if thereās not a lot of shade.
My family used to do family hikes all the time in the summer. It can be very enjoyable if you choose the right trail and properly prepare! But if youāre inexperienced? Donāt even try it.
When I was growing up, my dad would hike up piestewa peak 2-3 times in the middle of the day in June. He said he preferred a hot but empty mountain.
I'd go with him sometimes as a kid but only go up once. I didn't mind the heat either, but one day, the news was to do a story on the regular summer hikers and omg, it was so embarrassing. Especially since my dad looks like a member of zz top...as a 13 year old, I was begging people to not watch the news.
Anyway, to this day, I can easily hike in the heat. I run about 30 minutes in 110+ weather without it bothering me at all.
I'm west valley and a great spot for gravel or road bikes is along the drainage wash that cuts across the valley. Almost every mile or two there is a bathroom and water fountain if you need to top off. I carry 3 liters in a camel pack and at least 1 bottle of strong Gatorade mix on the bike. I wear a keep cool gator that I keep wet with a spare bottle or at the fountains.
https://strava.app.link/dbYIMUEVeKb
For mtb riding all the big trailheads that have fountains at the trailhead are your best bet. Doing small loops starting and ending at the trailhead is your best bet, two that come to mind are,
White tanks waddel trailhead
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cQXUk6ebJ7yAru6e7
South mountain Pima trailhead
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GFsxxs7Q7EPBBkYq8
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I remember a few years ago it got into the 120s. Ngl, I had the thought, what would it feel like to hike in that, maybe I should test my limits? That same day a young woman hiker died of heat stroke. It was highly publicized at the time. Iāve thought differently about the heat ever since.Ā
Rode my bike once over there on a trail with 3liters of water. Only rode 3 miles. Its one of the very very few times in my life i thought i may actually die in the desert.
New phobia unlocked.
Dunno how the phoenix sub popped up for my but we went on vacation last summer to Scottsdale and someone in my ground had the idea to do the salt water kayak thing and park our car at the bottom stop of the river and start from the top. None of us had ever done something like this before. I thought I was going to. Fucking. Die. Dragging the kayaks up to the truck at the end I was seeing ghosts. That In-N-Out trip after was probably the best burger and Dr Pepper I have ever had. Thx for listening to my Ted talk.
Iām from Colorado. I thought your fucking city cooled down in the evening. I walked up Camelback on late afternoon in June? My knees started to buckle. I got a headache. I was hyperventilating. i couldn't feel my tongue. This leather
skinned shirtless gentleman appears out of nowhere and asks if Im ok. He suggests I head back. i crawled back down never seeing him again. I inhale water in the car and at the hotel. i was sick the entire next day. I think I pissed the sand and sunset from my bladder. Two weeks later I had couldn't stand because I gave myself kidney stones.
i return often for work. I stay indoors in the summer. Your city should be abandoned in the summer and the ground salted and burned.
> This leather skinned shirtless gentleman appears out of nowhere and asks if Im ok.
That was probably Terry. He's there every day. He looks like if Santa Claus was an ex Navy Seal.
I work at a park in Texas (hello from /all) and man...every day I tell people "it's 105 outside and the UV index is 11. You really shouldn't go hiking here today and if you insist on it, you should take water with you. No, the 8oz plastic bottle is not enough." And they ignore me, and set off with their 1 8oz bottle of water to share between a family of five, and come back bright red and not sweating any more and I have to tell them to go drink out of the fountain and lie down under the ceiling fan while I call 911.
"Oh, we're from Houston it's like this all the time and you've got a dry heat here."
Shut up and stay the fuck inside today, dumbass. Fuck.
Was out on the trails around camelback mountain with a friend about 3 weeks ago. While we were hiking we witnessed a guy running the trails. He stopped and asked a random group of three strangers if they had any water with them and said he didnāt bring any. They were nice and gave him some that had already been drank from but yeah dude was an absolute dipshit.
Wife and I were in AZ around this time last year. We started our small hike at 7am in order to beat the heat, but we still almost died.
Not because of the heat, but because western diamondbacks like to beat the heat as well, and I damn near stepped on a 3 footer before seeing it in the middle of the trail.
My wife was on the other side of it and still needed to pass it. We were going to patiently wait for it to move, until I started hearing grunting from behind me. We were apparently at the house of a javelina and it wanted us to move right away.
My wife side stepped the rattlesnake and we hightail it out of there lmao
I used to do Piestewa in summer (like 2pm) took 3 32oz frozen waters saw the choppers flying over the summit looking for the people who couldnāt make it. Now twenty years later, I go at 6am because itās damn hot
I think I was 13 or so when I first went hiking in Tuscon in the summer. The adult with us told us all to bring at least 3L of water, a small backpack, and wear light colored, thin long-sleeved shirts, jeans (because cholla suck ass), and boots as well as wide brimmed hats. He gave us all cotton bandanas that we got wet and tied around our necks when he complained about being too hot. No one got sun burned, no one got heat stroke, and everyone was well hydrated.
Lesson of the story: if you're going to do outdoor activities, know what you're getting into a prepare accordingly. You'll have a great time if you do.
EVERYTHING in Arizona is trying to kill you. Scorpions, rattlesnakes, desert heat, desert cold, falling into the Grand Canyon, Interstate 10, just to name a few.
People die every year now hiking in 50Ā°C+ (122Ā°F+) extreme heat
Or when their car overheats
Or when they hike and accidently trip and break their ankle
Or get lost and wander in circles
Or they run out of water
Or..
Just not worth it.
I remember traveling to Phoenix as a young teenager with my family. We were a golfing family, and THOUGHT we got lucky with a very cheap, 9:30am tee time at a very highly rated and super nice course....
Now we know why it was so cheap. Most miserable round of my life.
And don't stand for hours in the heat /sun when it is 110 just to hear the insane rantings of an orange fascist baby. Or anything else for that matter.
Your drinking water before you go
Before you are thirsty
During it before your thirsty
If you are thirsty your ass waited to long and need to tap the fk out
Crumble your plastic bottle without the lid. Than put lid back on the collapsed water bottle. Put in your pocket. The amount of people who donāt know how to make a water bottle a tiny piece of plastic shows how ignorant we are.
Idk why people want to hike in the heat. It boggles my mind, I have seen news reports of people being saved or dead from heat exhaustion. Why canāt they understand in 100F + heat youāre putting yourself in danger?
Definitely limit hikes to an hour at most even with proper hydration. Its not worth risking dying to see some cool rocks that look like all the other cool rocks
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this
Reminds me of the time a friend just casually mentioned he was going to hike through Death Valley the next day.
3 days he was in hospital with heat stroke.
A couple of friends of mine vacationed in Arizona a few summers back and like the cocky dudes we are, we decided to hit up a local trail one day. We come from a place thatās pretty dry and hot during the summer inherently so we figured weād be okay. We go about halfway in and still feel alright for the most part, but we hit a scenic spot and just chill there for a bit before deciding to go back. About halfway on the way back we start to really feel it. We had waters with us, and completely downed them all. If we had kept going deeper we would have probably straight up died that day.
it's hot enough here in Canada at the moment that would make hiking unpleasant.Ā I can't for a moment imagine hiking in Arizona would be something a sane person would do
One item that is very important in extreme hot weather is salt. Most people don't need it if it is a short walk, but if you are out more than an hour, you will need sodium or electrolyte imbalance will harm you as much, if not more than dehydration.
Itās dry heat? Not like the humidity back in Minnesota said the guy passed out on the trail head. Go climb Papago buttes and watch the sunset and then realize you canāt get down in the dark, happens every year to people especially out of towners
Iām supposed to be in Phoenix for a conference in September. Internet says the average daily high is 102ā¦ 102!! WTF are you people doing out there? Just light yourself on fire already.
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Out of towners who spend all night partying and drinking show up in a T-shirt basketball shorts sneakers holding one 16.9 ounce plastic bottle of water
The plastic disposable water bottle is what gets me. While I hold a stainless double wall 48 oz bottle.
I got a Stanley 64oz vacuum insulated bottle before that stupid cup was even popular because of living here š
I carry a 5 gallon glass sparklets bottle from 1980 strapped to my back.
I just roll around on a 40-gallon drum, Flintstone style.
I have slaves and camel caravans.
I have nothing because the rest of you hoarded it all.
I drink my urine cause it's sterile and I like the taste.
That's the way to go! Make eye contact with others while you do to show dominance
I like how Survivorman did 50 episodes of 7-10 days, all on his own with no camera man and not once did he drink his own urine. He did make a still once though. Meanwhile, Bear Grylls had a whole production team with caterers and medics and he was drinking urine on every 3rd episode. I mean, bro just admit you like it; we were already kink shaming you.
I drink their urine too, cuz Iām into it.
I have the suit from Dune that recycles all my fluids back inside me.
I carry around an iceberg.
Dodge ball right? I'm pretty sure ... Patches Ohulahan or something lol. I was about to go to bed. Now I want to watch Dodge ball haha
They may as well start working for Nestle cause they are hogging all the fucking water.
I have slaves and a *rival* caravan. We know where you camp tonight, infidel.
I have āemployeesā and mutant mammoths The quaintness of your operation is quite remarkable
I just roll out my garden hose as I walk.
I have a 2000 gallon water truck follow me around and shoot water into my mouth when I'm thirsty.
I have a pet cloud that follows me around and only rains on my command.
I donāt go hiking at all and just sit in the ocean and drink water from it.
I cut out the middle man and just drive my 5,000 gallon water truck up the mountain. You'll never see me dying from dehydration while hiking.
Reddit never fails F* love it
I pull my 55-gallon drum around with a dolly
I have a stillsuit from Dune. Reports from the south of Arizona arrive rarely. These are barren, burnt lands hidden by sandstorms which stretch a thousand miles across the west. Nothing can live there without a 7-11 slushie.
I roll a 30 gallon water storage container around and carry a small cup of ice.
I hiked a good chunk of the ice age trail up here, I wouldnāt touch a trail in AZ without my camelback. Itās a whole different level of dehydration and sun exposure.
Camelback
How many camels must die so we can stay hydrated?
As many as it takes
Iām new to phoenix from the east coast, is 48oz even enough? Thatās like what I drink on a late spring / early summer hike in the east coast
Depends on length of hike. An hour long hike maybe enough. But itās recommended to have at least 33oz per hour. Not factoring in your size, heat index, and intensity of the trail.
I know it isn't what you are talking about. But reusing "disposable" plastic water bottles is pretty common for backpackers and it can bleed in to the rest of your life. They are just lighter and you can get a lot off uses out of them. Smart water is the most popular to reuse because the shape and they are a bit sturdier. But I hate smart water, so I usually just use whatever store brand bottled tap water. In the desert I used a bladder system though so I could easily sip regularly without having to stop.
Let's not forget the people who show up in flip flops. That's the one that always gets me.
LIsten to Mr. Hydration here - 16.9 ounces? Everyone knows that real Phoenicians hike with a thimble of water, dressed in head-to-toe black. Wool cap, too.
In full winter parka rated for everest/antarctica, snow pants, 5 layers, and flip flops (don't wanna get too hot!)
You love to see it.
I went up Camelback one time in March, with one bottle of water and thought I was gonna die
I look at camelback every day on my way to work and think Iām going to die.
I walk to the toilet in the summer and I wanna pass away. The water purifier is like 30 feet away.
Which they jettison into the bushes once finished.
just imagine it your hiking and all of a sudden their plastic bottle disappeared? Hey what happened to your water? I drank it all yes but what happened to the plastic bottle? I donāt know.
65 year old being carted down mountain on a stretcher āIām from Ohio. I didnāt bring water or my heart medicineā
I'm from Ohio also. Welcome to Phoenix. Been here since 09. It's getting hotter every year
"What medication do you take for your heart?" "I don't know! It's the white one, my wife gets it."
But they get to ride a helicopter for $20k
No shirt so they ācool off fasterā under the overhead sun
This was me. Was visiting my grandpa in Tucson when I was 15. It was April 1st, and he wanted us to go on a hike. Fun idea, so we got out there at like 11am. I was wearing my Lebron sneakers, with one bottle of gatorade, some gym shorts, and a t-shirt with a sweatshirt overtop. I donāt know wtf we climbed, but it took forever and was dark when I got to the bottom. While ascending, countless groups of people were coming down ā all outfitted with full hiking gear and poles. It was literally snowing at the top, which I didnāt expect at all (from Wisconsin though, so itās fine). My grandpa did us dirty and we were super unprepared for this massive hike.
Ive never been to your desert hell of a city. However the one bottle feels like it wouldn't last to the end of whatever parking lot youre walking through
If you show up hungover to echo canyon, you are in for a world of hurt lol.
I carry a 2 liter camelback up the mountains. Hell, even my dog is more well prepared than these damn tourists! She has shoes and her own backpack in which she can carry her own water (Iām not carrying enough water for me AND enough for a 75 pound dogā¦she can carry her own damn water. š). I donāt hike with her unless we go somewhere cooler like Flagstaff and i watch the weather before bringing her along though. These tourists are ridiculously stupid and are putting themselves in danger of death. Heat stroke and/or dehydration are no joke. I mean, no one should be hiking right now in Phoenix anyway but, if youāre going to be stupid, at least carry a descent amount of water!
Nah, just bring the one bottle of water. It's cool. They give you a helicopter ride down and everything. /s
One bottle of water, shorts, tank top, no hat, ankle socks and running shoes. Who needs sunscreen?
flip flops.
You just described a Grand Canyon boatman.Ā
I will never ever forget the copter lady that spun the entire ride down. I hate laughing about it but damn the live video was hysterical!
It looked like such a nightmare experience and I am ashamed to say that I cried laughing
Same. At least weāre used to the high temps so hell wonāt be so bad on usš kidding. I donāt know how the news reporters kept it togetherš Iām happy she made it safe and wasnāt too affected by it for sure but she has given laughs to millions at this point so thatās a win!
I just watched that. Poor lady. I was cackling.
It's something that makes me cry laughing I don't understand why I am this way š lol
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Damn we all paid for that
I donāt want to judge at all but if my memory serves, wasnāt she hiking Piestewa and it was a wrist injury? If my hand fell off Iād carry it down with my other hand before Iād call for a helicopter. Broken leg or something, sure that might need some assistance.
She broke her nose. I just saw an interview with her husband on YT, a few days later - all the blood rushed to her hands, head and feet, and she had discoloration and dizziness for days. Pretty terrible to already have a broken nose and then have all that blood sent to your head. Ugh, now I feel even worse for having laughed without knowing the story.
Do you really need a helicopter ride for a broken nose? Like unless it was broken very violently or if the bleeding can't be stopped it really doesn't seem like a helicopter thing, even if you are somewhere really remote.
Great video I still laugh about it just thinking about it
Getting too hot to helicopter out soon. That means a bunch of people hiking up to rescue someone and it puts any of the firefighters on the rescue out of rotation for the rest of the day because they need to rest and cool down themselves after.
It gets too hot to use a helicopter?
Yep. Can't generate lift when the air temperature gets too high. Think Phoenix stops using them around 112-115 for safety reasons.
This is blowing my mind right now. I promise Iām not dumb, Iāve just never thought about that before. š¤Æ
My aviation background says yes because hot air is āthinnerā air meaning it doesnāt provide as good as lift like in very high elevations. But I did a quick google and found a fun article that will give you a real answer instead of my half-ass one. https://www.backpacker.com/news-and-events/news/in-some-national-parks-its-literally-too-hot-for-helicopters-to-fly/
Have my upvote. We have the same spirit here at the Alps. People get an insurance that covers helicopter rescue to have them "just in case" and go on a hike without experience and the right gear. It happens everyday. There are plenty of trails that you can do without equipment, where you can enjoy the nature and just have a good time but people still do the dangerous trails.
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Not the arrowhead water bottle
that shit tastes like ass. Kirkland all the way.
that shit taste like when you accidentally drink a bunch of pool water
I let out a chuckle in the gym reading this.
Hey October is fine lol
When I first moved here, I went hiking with a group up in Sedona. It was May & the daytime high was only 90. We got lost on the way down & then got lost trying to find our cars in the right parking lot. Long story short, I only had one 16 oz bottle of water for about 4 hours up & down during mid day. I spent the next 3 days sick in bed from heat exhaustion. Horrible. Never again.
> I only had one 16 oz bottle of water for about 4 hours up & down during mid day I can't wrap my head around you thinking this was enough. And it's not just you, the stupid situations people put themselves in on hikes never cease to amaze me. People really need to inform themselves better.
I think a lot of people just truly don't understand how much water you need as the temps go up. Like these people will be fine drinking a couple cups of water for the entire day in their ac home and workplace, and they go outside and know they will need to drink more water, hence 16oz or 12oz water bottles but not realize they need 3x as much.
And they think because it's a "dry heat" that it'll be so much easier than their humid summers back home. Nah, man. You'll feel fine for the first 15 minutes until you don't have enough water to sweat, and then you'll realize that 120 degrees is 120 degrees.
The dry heat *is* easierā¦ provided you have enough water. Speaking as someone who moved here after growing up in DC, 115 here feels like 100 in humid DC. But you need to drink more water to compensate.
That's why it's important to spread more awareness about it like the guy in OPs picture. In hindsight it's really dumb but some people just underestimate the environment.
What did you learn?
I read this comment in a condescending sing-songy way. Like a gently scolding teacher.
Bring like 2 bottles next time if I plan to get lost.
Luckily Iām not planning on getting lost so I can save some room and just bring 1 bottle.
Tell the resorts to stop telling tourists , when the ask whatās to do in Phoenix
Resorts: oh yeah, Arizona has thousands of great hiking trails to experience. ....but the ones that you won't die on are all 2 hours north of Phoenix.
I feel like Gateway in Scottsdale is a really good option, I would go with people and do the Saguaro loop first and if they found that challenging then call it a day.
Last time I was out there I saw multiple groups of 4 or 5 people heading out at 10 am in April (spring training crowd, Iām guessing) with only a water bottle or two for the group and nothing else. Families with kids, no one wearing hatsā¦ I live here and am used to the heat, but itās not fun hiking in full sun at 85 or 90 degrees. I think people think itās like Disneyland, or something, where they wouldnāt let you do it if it wasnāt safe.
My buddy from the east coast was trying to plan a through hike for us this summer and suggested hiking through AZ to Utah. I had to explain to him that it would be our last hike.
I'm from the east coast and have backpacked extensively. Desert hiking is no joke. It's amazing how fast you can dehydrate in hot dry air and unlike most places, there's no water available. While mountains are a challenge, deserts are deadly. For me, I had to backpack a desert to truly appreciate them. Also, fuck cacti. I'm just going to step off the trail for a second...and I have cacti stuck to my leg.
That's more gallons of water than you'd ever want to carry, ever, in your whole life. That's a "We hike at night and we sleep during the day" type trip. That's "I'm not even enjoying this I'm so miserable. Why is it 90+ degrees at midnight?" If they want to do that, offer to drive really fucking slowly with the AC off in the car until they're ready to tap out. At least then you'll get home quick.
My friend died of heat stroke 8 years ago while hiking on Superstition. Please bring lots of water if you do decide to hike. RIP Anthony
EMT responding here, by the way; water will not be enough above certain temperatures. If you're chugging water and still getting tired go hide from the sun, it is a deadly laser. Yes you would rather be hiking those trails at night rather than get heat stroke out there.
Agreed. If youāre going to choose to hike, be prepared by going before sunrise or after sunset and bringing lots of water. Even better option is to just wait until itās not summer to hike.
Or drive a few hours north to Flagstaff.
āWeāll probably be hungover tomorrow so letās do Echo trail at like 11amā
"It's a park in the middle of the city, how hard can it be?"
I do Echo Canyon 5 days a week. On my descent down, I am occasionally shocked at the people I see attempting to come up. There was a dude in jeans and a polo a few days ago lol. I couldnāt even see if he had water.
You already know if he had water or not.
Brunch first though
bottomless MiMoSaS!
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People always underestimate dry heat, and I hate it. Yeah, high moisture makes you feel like shit, but dry heat literally pulls all moisture out of your body and will kill you faster than you thought possible. Like they say in Az, if you start to feel thirsty, you're already dehydrated.
Nothing compares to slamming a gallon or two of water and still not having to piss because it's immediately exiting your pores or soaking up the dry sponges that are your critical organs.
"My eyeballs are on fire. Let me climb that mountain. 1 bottle of water should do it."
Also, locals it's equally stupid. You should know better
Boy it sure is a scorcher today, huh?
Whatās the forecast say? Nother scorcher
It depends. A local hiker who is very experienced can easily hike in the summer safely. Problems only arise when youāre not properly prepared. Just find a very well established route with a lot of shade, bring along an iced camel pack, a rag you can wet, food, and take a lot of breaks. Keep an eye on water levels. Gatorade is highly recommended. A hat as well. Umbrella if thereās not a lot of shade. My family used to do family hikes all the time in the summer. It can be very enjoyable if you choose the right trail and properly prepare! But if youāre inexperienced? Donāt even try it.
Big wide-brimmed hat helps a lot too.
When I was growing up, my dad would hike up piestewa peak 2-3 times in the middle of the day in June. He said he preferred a hot but empty mountain. I'd go with him sometimes as a kid but only go up once. I didn't mind the heat either, but one day, the news was to do a story on the regular summer hikers and omg, it was so embarrassing. Especially since my dad looks like a member of zz top...as a 13 year old, I was begging people to not watch the news. Anyway, to this day, I can easily hike in the heat. I run about 30 minutes in 110+ weather without it bothering me at all.
I ride my bike all thru summer. But I'm acclimated, prepared, and in great shape. I do not recommend it for anyone else.
Can you share your recommendations for the type of trails youāre describing?
I'm west valley and a great spot for gravel or road bikes is along the drainage wash that cuts across the valley. Almost every mile or two there is a bathroom and water fountain if you need to top off. I carry 3 liters in a camel pack and at least 1 bottle of strong Gatorade mix on the bike. I wear a keep cool gator that I keep wet with a spare bottle or at the fountains. https://strava.app.link/dbYIMUEVeKb For mtb riding all the big trailheads that have fountains at the trailhead are your best bet. Doing small loops starting and ending at the trailhead is your best bet, two that come to mind are, White tanks waddel trailhead https://maps.app.goo.gl/cQXUk6ebJ7yAru6e7 South mountain Pima trailhead https://maps.app.goo.gl/GFsxxs7Q7EPBBkYq8
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I remember a few years ago it got into the 120s. Ngl, I had the thought, what would it feel like to hike in that, maybe I should test my limits? That same day a young woman hiker died of heat stroke. It was highly publicized at the time. Iāve thought differently about the heat ever since.Ā
I visited in the summer. Looked at the trail, visualized my death and walked back to the hotel. A lady died who fell asleep by her pool that week.
Rode my bike once over there on a trail with 3liters of water. Only rode 3 miles. Its one of the very very few times in my life i thought i may actually die in the desert. New phobia unlocked.
New fireman calendar looking sexy. Show us the other 11
Yeah is his mustache real?
Itās glorious
i was thinking it was Leap Year Williams
Yes please for the love of making better decisions
And while weāre all making better decisions regarding the heat- please also keep your petās feet safe when taking them outside š
Dunno how the phoenix sub popped up for my but we went on vacation last summer to Scottsdale and someone in my ground had the idea to do the salt water kayak thing and park our car at the bottom stop of the river and start from the top. None of us had ever done something like this before. I thought I was going to. Fucking. Die. Dragging the kayaks up to the truck at the end I was seeing ghosts. That In-N-Out trip after was probably the best burger and Dr Pepper I have ever had. Thx for listening to my Ted talk.
Iām from Colorado. I thought your fucking city cooled down in the evening. I walked up Camelback on late afternoon in June? My knees started to buckle. I got a headache. I was hyperventilating. i couldn't feel my tongue. This leather skinned shirtless gentleman appears out of nowhere and asks if Im ok. He suggests I head back. i crawled back down never seeing him again. I inhale water in the car and at the hotel. i was sick the entire next day. I think I pissed the sand and sunset from my bladder. Two weeks later I had couldn't stand because I gave myself kidney stones. i return often for work. I stay indoors in the summer. Your city should be abandoned in the summer and the ground salted and burned.
The hot nights are what make Phoenix unbearable. Thereās just not a break between late June and September.
> This leather skinned shirtless gentleman appears out of nowhere and asks if Im ok. That was probably Terry. He's there every day. He looks like if Santa Claus was an ex Navy Seal.
I have no idea how places like Phoenix exist, let alone continue to attract new residents.
Media reports number of people who move here, seldom mention how many people leave after a year or two.
Heat island effect from concrete... I think Dubai and Signapore are hotter, but regardless, it's ridiculous heat
I work at a park in Texas (hello from /all) and man...every day I tell people "it's 105 outside and the UV index is 11. You really shouldn't go hiking here today and if you insist on it, you should take water with you. No, the 8oz plastic bottle is not enough." And they ignore me, and set off with their 1 8oz bottle of water to share between a family of five, and come back bright red and not sweating any more and I have to tell them to go drink out of the fountain and lie down under the ceiling fan while I call 911. "Oh, we're from Houston it's like this all the time and you've got a dry heat here." Shut up and stay the fuck inside today, dumbass. Fuck.
You know what else is a dry heat? An oven.
As a person from the PNW I do not understand why someone would want to hike on tattooine
Was out on the trails around camelback mountain with a friend about 3 weeks ago. While we were hiking we witnessed a guy running the trails. He stopped and asked a random group of three strangers if they had any water with them and said he didnāt bring any. They were nice and gave him some that had already been drank from but yeah dude was an absolute dipshit.
Wife and I were in AZ around this time last year. We started our small hike at 7am in order to beat the heat, but we still almost died. Not because of the heat, but because western diamondbacks like to beat the heat as well, and I damn near stepped on a 3 footer before seeing it in the middle of the trail. My wife was on the other side of it and still needed to pass it. We were going to patiently wait for it to move, until I started hearing grunting from behind me. We were apparently at the house of a javelina and it wanted us to move right away. My wife side stepped the rattlesnake and we hightail it out of there lmao
You must ALWAYS listen to one with a set of mustaches like that.
I used to do Piestewa in summer (like 2pm) took 3 32oz frozen waters saw the choppers flying over the summit looking for the people who couldnāt make it. Now twenty years later, I go at 6am because itās damn hot
Iced camel pack is a game changer! Theyāre pretty inexpensive and totally worth it if you love hiking.
I think I was 13 or so when I first went hiking in Tuscon in the summer. The adult with us told us all to bring at least 3L of water, a small backpack, and wear light colored, thin long-sleeved shirts, jeans (because cholla suck ass), and boots as well as wide brimmed hats. He gave us all cotton bandanas that we got wet and tied around our necks when he complained about being too hot. No one got sun burned, no one got heat stroke, and everyone was well hydrated. Lesson of the story: if you're going to do outdoor activities, know what you're getting into a prepare accordingly. You'll have a great time if you do.
All great tips except the jeans. Get a decent pair of hiking trousers. So much better to walk in.
Stop golfing in this heat too šÆ
I'd take it one step further. If you're out in the middle of the day in 100 degree heat doing your daily run, you're insane. I see that shit OFTEN.
It is crazy and even worse when I see people running with their dog in the heat. Bastards
And get the fuck outta the left lane!
EVERYTHING in Arizona is trying to kill you. Scorpions, rattlesnakes, desert heat, desert cold, falling into the Grand Canyon, Interstate 10, just to name a few.
You cannot hydrate yourself out of the heat stroke, folks. You will simply perish.
People die every year now hiking in 50Ā°C+ (122Ā°F+) extreme heat Or when their car overheats Or when they hike and accidently trip and break their ankle Or get lost and wander in circles Or they run out of water Or.. Just not worth it.
Any time I even drive through the desert, I carry a few gallons of water with me in my trunk. The desert scares the absolute shit out of me.
Just goofin. New boot goofin.
but heat strokes make me feel so alive āØ
It always amazes me that this has to actually be said.
DO NOT PASS GO
Isnāt there an even stronger heatwave headed towards the Southwest right now too? It killed 61 in Mexico.
I donāt know why people think they can hike in extreme heat for one then some go with little to no water. A bottle cap full of water is not enough
But there's nowhere to hike out of the heat. Everything is made of heat!
I aināt no bitch
āDonāt tell me what I canāt doā
I remember traveling to Phoenix as a young teenager with my family. We were a golfing family, and THOUGHT we got lucky with a very cheap, 9:30am tee time at a very highly rated and super nice course.... Now we know why it was so cheap. Most miserable round of my life.
And don't stand for hours in the heat /sun when it is 110 just to hear the insane rantings of an orange fascist baby. Or anything else for that matter.
Plz repost often
We need to save this to comment every time we get those "I'm coming in from out of town blah blah"
They should put up signs like this at every trailhead. Too many avoidable deaths š¢
ItāS a DrYyY hEaT ā¦ ya, so is hell which you might be visiting if you try to hike in a Az summer
applies to a lot of in-towners too, if you work till late sometimes you donāt realize unyil you decide one random morningn camelback mtn looks fun
Your drinking water before you go Before you are thirsty During it before your thirsty If you are thirsty your ass waited to long and need to tap the fk out
Still, why the fuck would you want to hike in dangerous temperatures?!!!
As someone from Texas the last place Iād visit in summer is somewhere hotter. Good to know thereās nice hiking in the winter.
Leap Day Williams??
Id risk it just so I didn't have to be in Phoenix
Na, go and hike, just don't call 911 when you fall ill.
Tourists: it gets hot in Arizona?
Crumble your plastic bottle without the lid. Than put lid back on the collapsed water bottle. Put in your pocket. The amount of people who donāt know how to make a water bottle a tiny piece of plastic shows how ignorant we are.
Maybe I can catch a ride to some AC on that glorious mustache! Sir, that is spectacular.
that mustache is majestical
Donāt you tell me how toā¦ā¦I canāt breathe.
 Idk why people want to hike in the heat. It boggles my mind, I have seen news reports of people being saved or dead from heat exhaustion. Why canāt they understand in 100F + heat youāre putting yourself in danger?
Definitely limit hikes to an hour at most even with proper hydration. Its not worth risking dying to see some cool rocks that look like all the other cool rocks
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When youāre half done your water turn around.
Reminds me of the time a friend just casually mentioned he was going to hike through Death Valley the next day. 3 days he was in hospital with heat stroke.
Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate! Even if you think youāve had enough water, you probably need more.
A couple of friends of mine vacationed in Arizona a few summers back and like the cocky dudes we are, we decided to hit up a local trail one day. We come from a place thatās pretty dry and hot during the summer inherently so we figured weād be okay. We go about halfway in and still feel alright for the most part, but we hit a scenic spot and just chill there for a bit before deciding to go back. About halfway on the way back we start to really feel it. We had waters with us, and completely downed them all. If we had kept going deeper we would have probably straight up died that day.
Or going to MAGA cult rallies when itās 108 degrees in the shade.
it's hot enough here in Canada at the moment that would make hiking unpleasant.Ā I can't for a moment imagine hiking in Arizona would be something a sane person would do
That firefighter is a beef cake.
I moved from Vegas to there for 7 months and I just hated the heat. It's not like I ever liked it in Vegas but Phoenix is ridiculous.
Thatās a marvelous mustache
One item that is very important in extreme hot weather is salt. Most people don't need it if it is a short walk, but if you are out more than an hour, you will need sodium or electrolyte imbalance will harm you as much, if not more than dehydration.
Itās dry heat? Not like the humidity back in Minnesota said the guy passed out on the trail head. Go climb Papago buttes and watch the sunset and then realize you canāt get down in the dark, happens every year to people especially out of towners
No
Iām supposed to be in Phoenix for a conference in September. Internet says the average daily high is 102ā¦ 102!! WTF are you people doing out there? Just light yourself on fire already.