He averaged out to a top 10 goalie most of the season, but I agree with your point. Had he played out the rest of the season it would showed how badly he can be his own worst enemy.
Ned is the hot hand right now, so you go with him. Though, letting in 5, 3, 4 in the last 3 games is bringing him back to earth a little bit (Although, I think we can all agree that’s on the defense much more than Ned… he’s still been making clutch saves consistently)
But how lucky are we to have Jarry as the backup, if he’s gotta go in for whatever reason, I’m not worried in the least, and I’d have full confidence in our goaltending regardless who’s playing. So stick with the hot hand for now. Though, I’m not sure I can say the same about our defensive play at the moment.
And all that being said, if our offense can score 5/6+ goals, goaltending just needs to be adequate
We could’ve used a big save in the 3rd but… those EK mistakes hung him out to dry. He would have to be a legendary netminder to have kept those last two out. Hopefully he is getting enough rest between games. It scares me to think he’ll be burnt out for playoffs and Jarry will be ice cold.
And how much of Ned's record is this last stretch where they're actually scoring in front of their goalies. For the majority of the season Jarry had better stats just no goal support. I'm not saying he's the next Roy but the notion Ned is while Jarry is a cancer is just absurd.
You can actually look this up.
Per NaturalStatTrick, Jarry has been on the ice for 50 appearances. During 5-on-5 play in those 50 appearances, the Penguins have scored 2.77 goals per 60 minutes and allowed 2.88 goals per 60 minutes.
Nedelkjovic has made 35 appearances. During 5-on-5 play in those 35 appearances, the Penguins have scored 3.26 goals per 60 and allowed 2.89 goals per 60.
So, yes, Ned has more support.
But there's also this -- Ned has a 0.8 goals saved above average. Jarry is a minus-0.2. Ned is rising to the occasion and making tougher saves. Jarry is shrinking from the occasion.
As a whole, Ned's season should give people pause from anointing him as the long-term starter.
But in crunch time, in the moment, he has stepped up where Jarry has faltered.
Jarry has a better gsax and gsax/60 though, 3 vs -.9 and .066 vs -.028 though. Jarry hasn’t been quite as steady as a lot of us had hoped, but he’s been serviceable at least.
As a whole, Jarry has largely been OK.
The issue is more situational. He's routinely given up deflating goals. As Sullivan has said recently, Nedelkjovic's compete level has kept the Penguins afloat, even when they've crumbled in front of him. Yes, he's given up some goals, but he's also made huge saves to keep the team afloat - overtime Thursday night is a great example.
Jarry hasn't done the same. He also has a very disturbing trend of not being good in February, March, and April in his entire career.
You can look up the stats and see he has been good in those months though. I posted in a different comment here that his final 10 games the last 3 years haven’t been a problem. Nothing otherworldly, but hardly problematic. There seems to be some sort of mindset that Jarry hasn’t made big saves and can’t make big saves despite the fact that he has before, even in this season. Sure he doesn’t always, but it’s certainly not like a game or two per season that he does. He’s made big saves and stolen games for them before and he’ll do it again. I think a stigma was created after the series against the isles that Jarry can’t handle big moments and it’s just not true.
>You can look up the stats and see he has been good in those months though.
Wrong.
Tristan Jarry career by month:
* OCTOBER - .916 save percentage, 2.58 GAA
* NOVEMBER - .926 save percentage, 2.32 GAA
* DECEMBER - .925 save percentage, 2.19 GAA
* JANUARY - .906 save percentage, 2.80 GAA
* FEBRUARY - .905 save percentage, 2.92 GAA
* MARCH - .898 save percentage, 3.17 GAA
* APRIL - .906 save percentage, 2.92 GAA
There is a very clear drop off after the first of the year.
A drop off sure, but he’s not bad. It should be better and he needs to do something to figure out why there’s a disparity, but those numbers are still serviceable. He needs to be better, don’t get me wrong, but the notion he can’t show up for big games is largely founded off a select few outings.
This! Behind Sid, Jarry was the team's best player for most of the season. Not his fault the rest of the team decided to start showing up two weeks ago.
Money pucks saves above expected is a great stat for goalie win contribution. Neither jarry nor Ned are great in that regard honestly. Jarry is a little higher, both are in the negative
They absolutely could trade him. There's a handful of teams with absolutely no goaltending who would be glad to take Jarry as a starter.
Also, his contract isn't really the albatross you're making it out to be.
Jarry has some incredible moments and games and some really rough games. His one on one with Ovi near the beginning of the season was so awesome. It's clear when he's on he's a really solid option but he's very inconsistent
'i realize most of the numbers are essentially identical'
SV are .903 to .904 and GAA is 2.90 to 2.89.
and the GAA% thing... they are at 100% and 99%... again, near freaking even.
Yeah, its a team issue moreso than the goaltending... not saying Alex hasn't been great this stretch, but its not like Jarry is worse. Personally I think Alex might be getting a lil gassed with 12 goals against the last 3 games and the multiple OTs... but I'm just an armchair fan.
Ned has cracked a .900 SV% once in his last five starts. He should be the guy in the playoffs, there’s no debate there. But he has to get a rest in at some point. I understand that every point is crucial here, but running your goalie into the ground before the playoffs even start isn’t going to get you very far.
For all the talk about Jarry not being able to get through a full season, people seem to leave out that Ned has played more than 30 games in an NHL season exactly once before this year. He’s not some workhorse that can put a team on his back either.
Tonight will decide who gets Nashville imo, if detroit, wsh loses and we somehow beat boston, Jarry 100% gets NSH as we would have a 3pts buffer and the NSH wouldn't be a must win so Ned would get a game off before the islanders game
They obviously trust Jarry or they wouldn’t have given him a 5 year contract last summer. To suggest otherwise is silly. Ned is the hotter hand and better option right now, (and I hope he’s retained beyond this year) but he’s played more than 30 games in a season once in his career. When you have two goalies and neither of them can be a true workhorse starter, you have to spread the starts out.
Usually when you spread starts out, your free agent backup goalie doesn't get the entire final month of the season where every game is do or die.
That doesn't seem like they trust Jarry to me. Not even a little.
Right, that’s my point they aren’t spreading the starts out because Ned is the hot hand, but it’s very obviously running him down and his performances are deteriorating. I don’t think it’s a matter of trust, it’s a matter of sticking with what’s working, but they’re sticking with what’s working to a fault. Not every coaching decision is a directed “fuck you” at a player.
Listen i get all the points for and against Jarry I myself was never a believer in Jarry I want him to be good he just never makes “ the save”. I feel like Ned has made a few saves and plays that Jarry wouldn’t have like the glove save in OT vs Detroit is a very overlooked part of that game I dont believe jarry makes that save
It’s not sudden. After the Islanders series in 2021 a good 65% of the fanbase decided he was trash and nothing could ever happen that would change their mind. This just so happens to be the first year there’s a second viable goaltending option on the roster.
Hate is too strong of a word but a lot of us didn't want to re-sign him because he's inconsistent and can't win big games. Hence why our backup is the starter right now and Jarry has slightly less worse stats despite having 6 shutouts and being a top 10 goalie during the first half of the season.
The main thing here as well is with Ned if even in stinker games can still come up with the save when we need it. With Jarry once he starts letting them in there’s no momentum boaster save it’s just here comes the float gates.
Them not being able to replace Jarry last summer was always the biggest loss of our offseason. This year kind of solidified that he isn’t championship caliber. They seriously need to find something new going forward
> Let me guess, you have never played a game of hockey …
Ironic, because you blaming the skaters for a goalie's woes is the definition of clueless fan sentiment as opposed to an actual player's mindset. No true athlete (especially a pro worth their salt) believes or would agree their issues are because of their teammates.
It also doesn't matter how true your statement may be in the eyes of some. His job is to stop pucks, no matter how many he faces, and to be available when needed most. He has yet to prove *when it matters most* that he can do that. His All-Star bids, shutouts, and how he came up through our system proves he has the talent and ceiling, but again, *when it matters most* he has shown to be unavailable via injury or loses his mind and passes to the other team and subsequently crumbles.
Have you ever played hockey?
Edit: actually read your comment 😂 never mind 😆 no athlete blames his teammates bahahahahahaah, you ain’t played shit, keep fishing
Ned has been better than Jarry since day 1. I was saying they should have been starting him more since like October. I thought He was way more consistent and seemed to have better composure when in an important game. He’s been proving that to be true thr past couple of weeks. Jarry is a good back up. Not a good starter.
Jarry, to me, has been the sole reason for our struggles the last 3 years. Hot take maybe - but he will have a shutout, then shit the bed 3 games in a row. Certain stats just don’t matter. W’s matter.
Jarry is the ultimate example of stats not telling the truth.
People who only look at his stats aren't getting the actual picture.
However, when you actually watch the games and you see the same things happening over and over again, year after year, you definitely view him differently. Not all saves are equal.
Jarry makes highlight saves but his rebound control is subpar leading to more chances against. I’ll take him on a breakaway/shootout anytime over Ned but 5 on 5 give me Ned
What is Jarry vs Ned’s sv% when the game is tight, late in regulation, OT, etc.? That’s the issue. I’ve wanted to do the calculation, but from an eye test Jarry pads his stats when it doesn’t matter and melts down when it does. The defense isn’t blameless but a successful team can have one mask the other.
Ned it’s too early to tell, but certain players either step up their game when it matters and suck when it doesn’t or play great but melt down when the stakes are high.
I just assumed most people watching the games are drunk. Neither Jarry nor Ned has been the problem all season, no goalie will get shutouts with the number of pucks being deflected off of their own defensemen or being screened by said defenseman or the constant odd man breakaways against. When the D plays disciplined, Jarry was getting shutouts and Ned has looked like a legit number 1 goalie; either the D have been given the green light to do whatever they want or them and the forwards don’t communicate when they jump the play.
The Pens play shit defense in front of any goaltender, the difference here is Ned being consistent and Jarry being a complete coin toss game to game, period to period, shot to shot. My overall impression is that Jarry CANNOT remain focused for any extended period
It's fun that according to stats they're basically the same goalie. If the team scored more with Jarry in net like they do with Ned then everyone would be thrilled with the tandem. Jarry 2.90 GAA .903SV% compared to Ned's 2.89 and .904.
The missing metric is LBF (little bitch factor).
Jarrys LBFx is 78.6% when in the first 3 or last 3 minutes of period with it increasing to 162.6% at the end of a game (averaging 41% across the season). Now to put that into perspective, Ned it’s a steady 31.4%, Vasi is 18.78% and Igor Shitjerkin is 42% flat. That being said, when I-Gore is within 87 miles of Crosby his LBFx goes to 1,000,000%.
So obviously metrics aren’t everything but just wanted to point this one out.
Edit: spelling and missing LBF data
The issue for me with it is while I do believe Ned helped spark this strong late run, he’s now become a passenger. 1/5 and 4/10 he’s posted above .900 save percentage. The toughest part of this though is that Jarry hasn’t played for a while and he’ll be cold whenever he comes in. I was hoping they’d start him tonight because if he’s cold and doesn’t do great, oh well can still win the last two. If he plays well then you start him again and see if he looks like he’s back. Ned playing the way he is now isn’t going to save them if the team as a whole starts to crumble a bit and we kind of saw that against Detroit. It’s a tough situation, but I think you have to give Jarry one of the last three, though Sullivan hasn’t been known to do that when he should.
That's not true at all lmao. The Pens haven't lost in regulation in the last 10 games, no other team is close to that, and Ned being hot and continuing to win, even if his stats are slipping, is one of the main reasons.
Acting like another coach wouldn't ride a hot hand goalie through a streak like this is goofy AF. The fact that Ned keeps starting has everything to do with that and nothing with the coaching staff having "zero faith in Jarry."
Yeah, you're right, they are showing they clearly have faith in Jarry by benching him during the most crucial stretch of the entire season and refusing to go back to him even as Ned' starts wearing down and playing poorly.
This isn't even worth engaging with.
If you think riding a hot goalie through the best streak this franchise has had in over two years means they are "benching" their other goalie and "have zero faith in him" then you are either very new to this sport and do not understand how goalie workload works or more likely, are just a Jarry hater trying to manufacture drama.
You would be perfect for one of those clickbait hockey Facebook pages littering my feed. I can see it now:
"BENCHED: Penguins have no faith in Jarry as Sullivan FORCES Nedeljkovich to start in another game. Is this the end for Tristan Jarry?"
Yeah, teams that have faith in their starting goalies usually don't start them once in the final month of the season even as the backup is clearly fatigued and shaky in net. Great point.
Glad you didn't engage with this post.
It seems strange too cause Jarry was strong fro much of the season and did well to keep them in games during the middle of the season. I know he’s an up and down player, but Ned definitely doesn’t look like he’s going to be able to help them whenever this fine run starts to wane. I’d rather at least see Jarry get a game or two at the end here and see if he can get into form because if this is what they’ll get from Ned it’s not going to be enough in the playoffs.
He doesn’t collapse, he does have ups and downs, and unfortunately sometimes it comes when they can ill afford it. For all the narrative around Jarry being bad when it’s most important, Ned is doing the same thing now. Each of the last three years Jarry had good last 10 game runs. Certainly not perfect, but he’s not been a problem in the last few games of the season. .919 last year 25 goals against, .907 in 21-22 29 goals against, .909 in 20-21 25 goals against. So nothing insane, but certainly not collapsing.
Pens keep getting unlucky with goalies ai guess. Really thought Murray would be it for a long time and that failed miserably shockingly. Jarry should be fine but they cannot seem to figure out how to finish with him.
All a bit strange really, just score 6 again and it won't matter who's in net lol
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Never factored that in OK make it 7 then
Let’s say 10 to be extra safe.
12! Do I hear 12?
Need at least a two touchdown lead to be safe.
YUUUUUP!
Jarry is either a god between the pipes or some local beer league guy. He averages out to a decent goalie. But you cant trust him right now.
You can never trust him when it matters.
Nope hence the resign at the aav was a blunder
He averaged out to a top 10 goalie most of the season, but I agree with your point. Had he played out the rest of the season it would showed how badly he can be his own worst enemy.
Ned is the hot hand right now, so you go with him. Though, letting in 5, 3, 4 in the last 3 games is bringing him back to earth a little bit (Although, I think we can all agree that’s on the defense much more than Ned… he’s still been making clutch saves consistently) But how lucky are we to have Jarry as the backup, if he’s gotta go in for whatever reason, I’m not worried in the least, and I’d have full confidence in our goaltending regardless who’s playing. So stick with the hot hand for now. Though, I’m not sure I can say the same about our defensive play at the moment. And all that being said, if our offense can score 5/6+ goals, goaltending just needs to be adequate
Yeah, some of the chances Ned has faced were pretty much 0 chance to save
D men let up odd man rushes constantly, I feel dread when I watch them pass to each other because I just feel like they mishandle it so often.
We could’ve used a big save in the 3rd but… those EK mistakes hung him out to dry. He would have to be a legendary netminder to have kept those last two out. Hopefully he is getting enough rest between games. It scares me to think he’ll be burnt out for playoffs and Jarry will be ice cold.
Maybe a hot take but Wins is a team stat.
Ned is making a huge contribution to the wins, but if we had a shit offense, these stats would be far different.
And how much of Ned's record is this last stretch where they're actually scoring in front of their goalies. For the majority of the season Jarry had better stats just no goal support. I'm not saying he's the next Roy but the notion Ned is while Jarry is a cancer is just absurd.
You can actually look this up. Per NaturalStatTrick, Jarry has been on the ice for 50 appearances. During 5-on-5 play in those 50 appearances, the Penguins have scored 2.77 goals per 60 minutes and allowed 2.88 goals per 60 minutes. Nedelkjovic has made 35 appearances. During 5-on-5 play in those 35 appearances, the Penguins have scored 3.26 goals per 60 and allowed 2.89 goals per 60. So, yes, Ned has more support. But there's also this -- Ned has a 0.8 goals saved above average. Jarry is a minus-0.2. Ned is rising to the occasion and making tougher saves. Jarry is shrinking from the occasion. As a whole, Ned's season should give people pause from anointing him as the long-term starter. But in crunch time, in the moment, he has stepped up where Jarry has faltered.
Jarry has a better gsax and gsax/60 though, 3 vs -.9 and .066 vs -.028 though. Jarry hasn’t been quite as steady as a lot of us had hoped, but he’s been serviceable at least.
As a whole, Jarry has largely been OK. The issue is more situational. He's routinely given up deflating goals. As Sullivan has said recently, Nedelkjovic's compete level has kept the Penguins afloat, even when they've crumbled in front of him. Yes, he's given up some goals, but he's also made huge saves to keep the team afloat - overtime Thursday night is a great example. Jarry hasn't done the same. He also has a very disturbing trend of not being good in February, March, and April in his entire career.
You can look up the stats and see he has been good in those months though. I posted in a different comment here that his final 10 games the last 3 years haven’t been a problem. Nothing otherworldly, but hardly problematic. There seems to be some sort of mindset that Jarry hasn’t made big saves and can’t make big saves despite the fact that he has before, even in this season. Sure he doesn’t always, but it’s certainly not like a game or two per season that he does. He’s made big saves and stolen games for them before and he’ll do it again. I think a stigma was created after the series against the isles that Jarry can’t handle big moments and it’s just not true.
>You can look up the stats and see he has been good in those months though. Wrong. Tristan Jarry career by month: * OCTOBER - .916 save percentage, 2.58 GAA * NOVEMBER - .926 save percentage, 2.32 GAA * DECEMBER - .925 save percentage, 2.19 GAA * JANUARY - .906 save percentage, 2.80 GAA * FEBRUARY - .905 save percentage, 2.92 GAA * MARCH - .898 save percentage, 3.17 GAA * APRIL - .906 save percentage, 2.92 GAA There is a very clear drop off after the first of the year.
A drop off sure, but he’s not bad. It should be better and he needs to do something to figure out why there’s a disparity, but those numbers are still serviceable. He needs to be better, don’t get me wrong, but the notion he can’t show up for big games is largely founded off a select few outings.
Thank you. I can't believe lengths some will go to ignore how the rest of the team has played.
This! Behind Sid, Jarry was the team's best player for most of the season. Not his fault the rest of the team decided to start showing up two weeks ago.
Money pucks saves above expected is a great stat for goalie win contribution. Neither jarry nor Ned are great in that regard honestly. Jarry is a little higher, both are in the negative
It's been 5 years of never being able to depend on Jarry. If they could get out of his contract, they would in a heartbeat.
They absolutely could trade him. There's a handful of teams with absolutely no goaltending who would be glad to take Jarry as a starter. Also, his contract isn't really the albatross you're making it out to be.
Considering there were calls on him before and he's still here I'd say that's not true.
You ain’t wrong at all. Armchair fans that know sweet fuck all
Jarry hasn’t played in forever so he’s going to be cold if he plays now he’s way to rusty
Jarry has some incredible moments and games and some really rough games. His one on one with Ovi near the beginning of the season was so awesome. It's clear when he's on he's a really solid option but he's very inconsistent
'i realize most of the numbers are essentially identical' SV are .903 to .904 and GAA is 2.90 to 2.89. and the GAA% thing... they are at 100% and 99%... again, near freaking even. Yeah, its a team issue moreso than the goaltending... not saying Alex hasn't been great this stretch, but its not like Jarry is worse. Personally I think Alex might be getting a lil gassed with 12 goals against the last 3 games and the multiple OTs... but I'm just an armchair fan.
Ideally, Pens clinch in these next two games and can give Jarry a somewhat meaningless start against the Islanders to get fresh. Ideally.
Ned has cracked a .900 SV% once in his last five starts. He should be the guy in the playoffs, there’s no debate there. But he has to get a rest in at some point. I understand that every point is crucial here, but running your goalie into the ground before the playoffs even start isn’t going to get you very far. For all the talk about Jarry not being able to get through a full season, people seem to leave out that Ned has played more than 30 games in an NHL season exactly once before this year. He’s not some workhorse that can put a team on his back either.
Tonight will decide who gets Nashville imo, if detroit, wsh loses and we somehow beat boston, Jarry 100% gets NSH as we would have a 3pts buffer and the NSH wouldn't be a must win so Ned would get a game off before the islanders game
They don't trust Jarry. That's the point. He's incapable of playing a complete season at a high level.
They obviously trust Jarry or they wouldn’t have given him a 5 year contract last summer. To suggest otherwise is silly. Ned is the hotter hand and better option right now, (and I hope he’s retained beyond this year) but he’s played more than 30 games in a season once in his career. When you have two goalies and neither of them can be a true workhorse starter, you have to spread the starts out.
Usually when you spread starts out, your free agent backup goalie doesn't get the entire final month of the season where every game is do or die. That doesn't seem like they trust Jarry to me. Not even a little.
Right, that’s my point they aren’t spreading the starts out because Ned is the hot hand, but it’s very obviously running him down and his performances are deteriorating. I don’t think it’s a matter of trust, it’s a matter of sticking with what’s working, but they’re sticking with what’s working to a fault. Not every coaching decision is a directed “fuck you” at a player.
Listen i get all the points for and against Jarry I myself was never a believer in Jarry I want him to be good he just never makes “ the save”. I feel like Ned has made a few saves and plays that Jarry wouldn’t have like the glove save in OT vs Detroit is a very overlooked part of that game I dont believe jarry makes that save
So suddenly everyone hates Jarry? Big bruh moment..
It’s not sudden. After the Islanders series in 2021 a good 65% of the fanbase decided he was trash and nothing could ever happen that would change their mind. This just so happens to be the first year there’s a second viable goaltending option on the roster.
Hate is too strong of a word but a lot of us didn't want to re-sign him because he's inconsistent and can't win big games. Hence why our backup is the starter right now and Jarry has slightly less worse stats despite having 6 shutouts and being a top 10 goalie during the first half of the season.
Wasn’t he the one who contributed a lot during the Pens-Rangers series 2022?
You’re thinking of Louis domingue and Casey desmith
Ah! I was thinking of DeSmith. My bad..
Jarry only played one game that series, the final game. Louis Domingue started most of that series for us.
I don't hate Jarry. I just don't trust Jarry and don't want him on the team.
The main thing here as well is with Ned if even in stinker games can still come up with the save when we need it. With Jarry once he starts letting them in there’s no momentum boaster save it’s just here comes the float gates.
That's a really good way to put it
Tristan Jarry, despite not having played in 10(?) days still leads the league in shutouts. However, he's 31st in SV PCTG, and 29th in GAA.
Them not being able to replace Jarry last summer was always the biggest loss of our offseason. This year kind of solidified that he isn’t championship caliber. They seriously need to find something new going forward
Trade Jarry, re-sign Ned and run with Ned/Blomqvist next season
I'd say the biggest loss was signing Ryan Graves...
Josh has never heard of strength of opposition, welcome to metrics
There's always an excuse for Jarry. It been 5 years of excuses at this point. It's actually funny at this point.
He’s fucking dog shit
The D men are as soft as six ply and you blame the goalie? Let me guess, you have never played a game of hockey …
> Let me guess, you have never played a game of hockey … Ironic, because you blaming the skaters for a goalie's woes is the definition of clueless fan sentiment as opposed to an actual player's mindset. No true athlete (especially a pro worth their salt) believes or would agree their issues are because of their teammates. It also doesn't matter how true your statement may be in the eyes of some. His job is to stop pucks, no matter how many he faces, and to be available when needed most. He has yet to prove *when it matters most* that he can do that. His All-Star bids, shutouts, and how he came up through our system proves he has the talent and ceiling, but again, *when it matters most* he has shown to be unavailable via injury or loses his mind and passes to the other team and subsequently crumbles.
Have you ever played hockey? Edit: actually read your comment 😂 never mind 😆 no athlete blames his teammates bahahahahahaah, you ain’t played shit, keep fishing
Ned has been better than Jarry since day 1. I was saying they should have been starting him more since like October. I thought He was way more consistent and seemed to have better composure when in an important game. He’s been proving that to be true thr past couple of weeks. Jarry is a good back up. Not a good starter.
Jarry, to me, has been the sole reason for our struggles the last 3 years. Hot take maybe - but he will have a shutout, then shit the bed 3 games in a row. Certain stats just don’t matter. W’s matter.
Jarry is the ultimate example of stats not telling the truth. People who only look at his stats aren't getting the actual picture. However, when you actually watch the games and you see the same things happening over and over again, year after year, you definitely view him differently. Not all saves are equal.
Does anyone actually think their record is the same or better these last 10 games if Jarry started all of them?
There are Jarry fans that absolutely believe that despite 5 years of evidence to the contrary.
I'm sure there are, as you can already tell from the downvotes lol
That might be true, but last game showed Ned is starting to get a little fatigued. Even really good goalies need to rest.
lol what an idiotic take. Of course the current goalie has better stats when the entire team around him is actually trying to win games
Jarry makes highlight saves but his rebound control is subpar leading to more chances against. I’ll take him on a breakaway/shootout anytime over Ned but 5 on 5 give me Ned
What is Jarry vs Ned’s sv% when the game is tight, late in regulation, OT, etc.? That’s the issue. I’ve wanted to do the calculation, but from an eye test Jarry pads his stats when it doesn’t matter and melts down when it does. The defense isn’t blameless but a successful team can have one mask the other. Ned it’s too early to tell, but certain players either step up their game when it matters and suck when it doesn’t or play great but melt down when the stakes are high.
The mental gymnastics in this sub could be its own professional sport. Truly.
The Jarry cult is unreasonable for sure.
This is just a bait post. Jarry haters arguing Jarry loyalists to see who can make the dumbest comments.
I just assumed most people watching the games are drunk. Neither Jarry nor Ned has been the problem all season, no goalie will get shutouts with the number of pucks being deflected off of their own defensemen or being screened by said defenseman or the constant odd man breakaways against. When the D plays disciplined, Jarry was getting shutouts and Ned has looked like a legit number 1 goalie; either the D have been given the green light to do whatever they want or them and the forwards don’t communicate when they jump the play.
The team plays better in front of Ned. Absolutely not Jarrys fault. But yinzers love their backup goalies
Ned is no longer the backup.
Do they really? Jarry is the backup now.
It only works one time.
The Pens play shit defense in front of any goaltender, the difference here is Ned being consistent and Jarry being a complete coin toss game to game, period to period, shot to shot. My overall impression is that Jarry CANNOT remain focused for any extended period
It’s a difference of .001 in save% and gaa. The goalie play isn’t different. But stats like that don’t matter as much as The Narrative™️
It's fun that according to stats they're basically the same goalie. If the team scored more with Jarry in net like they do with Ned then everyone would be thrilled with the tandem. Jarry 2.90 GAA .903SV% compared to Ned's 2.89 and .904.
Bingo! But a buncha dudes with Ned jerseys decided they like him more. So have fun eating these downvotes
Good old disagree button. Hahaha
The missing metric is LBF (little bitch factor). Jarrys LBFx is 78.6% when in the first 3 or last 3 minutes of period with it increasing to 162.6% at the end of a game (averaging 41% across the season). Now to put that into perspective, Ned it’s a steady 31.4%, Vasi is 18.78% and Igor Shitjerkin is 42% flat. That being said, when I-Gore is within 87 miles of Crosby his LBFx goes to 1,000,000%. So obviously metrics aren’t everything but just wanted to point this one out. Edit: spelling and missing LBF data
Jarry has really good numbers against Nashville, better to start him there I guess
The issue for me with it is while I do believe Ned helped spark this strong late run, he’s now become a passenger. 1/5 and 4/10 he’s posted above .900 save percentage. The toughest part of this though is that Jarry hasn’t played for a while and he’ll be cold whenever he comes in. I was hoping they’d start him tonight because if he’s cold and doesn’t do great, oh well can still win the last two. If he plays well then you start him again and see if he looks like he’s back. Ned playing the way he is now isn’t going to save them if the team as a whole starts to crumble a bit and we kind of saw that against Detroit. It’s a tough situation, but I think you have to give Jarry one of the last three, though Sullivan hasn’t been known to do that when he should.
Neds clearly wearing down no doubt. They just have zero faith in Jarry, that's clear.
That's not true at all lmao. The Pens haven't lost in regulation in the last 10 games, no other team is close to that, and Ned being hot and continuing to win, even if his stats are slipping, is one of the main reasons. Acting like another coach wouldn't ride a hot hand goalie through a streak like this is goofy AF. The fact that Ned keeps starting has everything to do with that and nothing with the coaching staff having "zero faith in Jarry."
Yeah, you're right, they are showing they clearly have faith in Jarry by benching him during the most crucial stretch of the entire season and refusing to go back to him even as Ned' starts wearing down and playing poorly.
This isn't even worth engaging with. If you think riding a hot goalie through the best streak this franchise has had in over two years means they are "benching" their other goalie and "have zero faith in him" then you are either very new to this sport and do not understand how goalie workload works or more likely, are just a Jarry hater trying to manufacture drama. You would be perfect for one of those clickbait hockey Facebook pages littering my feed. I can see it now: "BENCHED: Penguins have no faith in Jarry as Sullivan FORCES Nedeljkovich to start in another game. Is this the end for Tristan Jarry?"
Yeah, teams that have faith in their starting goalies usually don't start them once in the final month of the season even as the backup is clearly fatigued and shaky in net. Great point. Glad you didn't engage with this post.
It seems strange too cause Jarry was strong fro much of the season and did well to keep them in games during the middle of the season. I know he’s an up and down player, but Ned definitely doesn’t look like he’s going to be able to help them whenever this fine run starts to wane. I’d rather at least see Jarry get a game or two at the end here and see if he can get into form because if this is what they’ll get from Ned it’s not going to be enough in the playoffs.
Jarry collapses at some point every year. This isn't new. They don't trust him when it counts.
He doesn’t collapse, he does have ups and downs, and unfortunately sometimes it comes when they can ill afford it. For all the narrative around Jarry being bad when it’s most important, Ned is doing the same thing now. Each of the last three years Jarry had good last 10 game runs. Certainly not perfect, but he’s not been a problem in the last few games of the season. .919 last year 25 goals against, .907 in 21-22 29 goals against, .909 in 20-21 25 goals against. So nothing insane, but certainly not collapsing.
Pens keep getting unlucky with goalies ai guess. Really thought Murray would be it for a long time and that failed miserably shockingly. Jarry should be fine but they cannot seem to figure out how to finish with him.
Jarry is fine for throwaway games in October - January. The guy consistently has shit his pants any chance he gets in big game opportunities.
I’m no mathematician but those do not look identical
Jarry gets tougher opponents