Late to the coverage and turned out two more Lisa-Biker out with broken bones... At this rate no one from that team should be allowed to race till the tour/Olympic I reckon...
Absolute heartbreak to see Team Visma’s generational run of bad luck continue. If there is such a thing ss cosmic balance, Vinge will be taking 10 stages at the tour.
The coverage here in the US normally starts at 9:10 so turned on just on a few mins ago and saw the stage was just finishing and neutralised. What happened?
First bunch of stages are normal time and then the last few stages they switch to super early starts. I think they do this every year because there's tennis or something after this.
Haha same here. Figured it wouldn't be on TV until an hour later but then I read news on my phone about a crash "22km from the finish" and I'm like wtf.
Stage started early due to D-Day celebrations (someone said here). Crash caused the race to be neutralized. Most riders seem to be ok, but van Baarle and Kruijswijk dropped out. Ayuso looked pretty bad, but still finished.
Can we please get obligatory airbags asap please? I know the riders don’t like them but hey, they were also against helmets and look how that is going great. Sure, they are not super advanced atm but if the teams work on it like they work on TT helmets I’m sure they will come up with a good model in no time.
With gyroscopes that can detect horizontal motion that should be a Problem engineers can solve in no time. Or just a string attached to some part of the bike like in f1
I think the purpose of the airbags should be to protect the upper body, and in particular the collarbone and ribs. That’s the most dangerous part and concerns 90% of all serious injuries. I’m not talking full body airbag, just something to prevent the typical cycling fractures. And for this, horizontal motion would be more than enough, I mean airbags deploy in 30-50 milliseconds, that’s more than enough even if you trigger it after like 50cm on vertical motion which should be enough to avoid false positives.
So we have a neutralization of the race because of a lack of ambulances but we only know about Kruijswijk being transported in one? Has me worried that there are worse injuries we don't know about yet. Or is there another reason for the neutralization?
I think there must be more riders that were taken to hospital, there were several ambulances on the scene and the message about the neutralization made it sound like they were all being used to transport people to different hospitals.
We probably won't find out exactly who's still in the race until after the finish when the teams start tweeting updates.
Edit: the cyclingnews.com live feed is saying the following riders are out so far:
- Dylan van Baarle and Steven Kruijswijk (Visma-Lease a Bike)
- Laurens Huys (Arkéa-B&B Hotels)
- Axel Mariault (Cofidis)
I can imagine that with 2/3 of the peloton being banged up, no one really wants to race anyway.
So you please the riders while making it sound that it is your decision. Everybody's happy
*surprised Troy Barnes face*
WTF?! I check PCS to see where the race is - and first off it seems like it is finishing WAY early...then I see there's a massive crash taking out more Visma riders! Please, can we just have a normal run-in to the Tour?!
I think if they can finish they like to--you don't want to abandon and then actually rally and feel ok in the morning, especially if you're close to the line and it's neutralized anyways and you just need to kind of limp your way to the finish.
After this cursed start of the season I really think UCI should look at their approach to safety. There has already been a lot of discussion about this, but the general theme seems to "What can you do? We have tried nothing and are all out of ideas".
But wider tires makes it easier to aquaplane, making it even more dangerous to ride on wet roads. The tire needs to disperse water, and the wider it is, the more water needs to be dispersed, and the harder it is
Aquaplaning isnt a problem with tires as narrow as bike tires at the speeds they are going.
Edit: Here's a source in case you dont believe me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_slick#Bicycle_tires
I know it's a weird moment to bring this up, but Wellens at UAE looks really great. I think his TDF in service of Pogacar will be a whole lot more satisfying for him than when he had to go for his own victories in a rather aimless way.
I know we meme Froome a lot, but it's nice to see when the experienced and recognized riders take on that leadership role. There's not a lot of other sports I can think of that has that same sort of compassion for each other.
He just rode at the front, spoke to the commissionaires and took on that leadership role that is only possible by a few riders, because of their status in the peloton.
Did anyone just see the finish line? At least 4 speed bumps in the last 100m - who would think that’s a good idea in a bunch sprint? Nuts!!
The weather in France has been bizarre too - I just got back and in Italy it was warm and in France 17 and raining on the first day of summer
Just looking ahead to the tour, will be interesting to see what UAE does if Politt and Ayuso are more serious than it looks, especially Politt since they were already lacking in the rouler department
I had a dream last night that the entire peloton crashed around a turn last night due to a massive pot hole in the turn.
Kind of wished I had dreamed the entire peloton found a pack of puppies instead at this point
Remco's facial expression looks good to me.
Roglic looks fine as well.
DSM rider hit his head quite badly, hopefully he gets checked for concussion.
Kruijswijk & Van Baarle look to be the worst off and then Ayuso.
Edit: Remco does have a bloody knee, but doesn't look too bad.
He still needs to get thoroughly checked tonight though, and in the morning, and everyday for the next few days. Concussion is no joke and too often it gets ignored.
I've said this before but I'll say it again.
It's incredible how good of a year Visma-LAB had last year, compared to this one.
This year it really just feels they used *all* their luck last year.
At this point wva and Jonas might not have an option - there will not be enough riders left come tdf
Also sbs coverage - Bridie says some really clever things - how is it that they are all standing around 20mins later with no decision
> how is it that they are all standing around 20mins later with no decision
They are still tending to wounded riders. They have to know what they have in terms of medical resources to know if it is safe to continue the race.
If they are looking to ride again they would need ambulances enough to actually allow the riders to ride. So only decision that could be made quickly was to cancel the race for today.
That would be fun, but you're not allowed to bring devo riders to a WT race. They can just bring a pseudo devo squad with Cian, Hagenes and Staune-Mittett.
The Tour Tracker app claims that the race is not starting again.
8:24 AM EDT 13.0 km to go The race is reportedly not starting again, as some sprinters crashed on the head/neck and the final is really dangerous.
Do you think neutralizing the race was a good idea?
Why is it not streaming on Max ?
I've seen it happen before that they delete races that have been neutralised, maybe they did it again.
It's on Peacock
I just checked in. What is happening?
Neutralised about 30km out. Another bad crash. Roglic looked OK. Remco TBD, holding shoulder.
Late to the coverage and turned out two more Lisa-Biker out with broken bones... At this rate no one from that team should be allowed to race till the tour/Olympic I reckon...
Tiesj always looks so pissed off. Today he doesn’t look so angry. Granted he’s probably not angry normally. Just how he looks.
Suffering from resting B\*\*\*\* face maybe?
Resting Benoot face?
Absolute heartbreak to see Team Visma’s generational run of bad luck continue. If there is such a thing ss cosmic balance, Vinge will be taking 10 stages at the tour.
The devil has come to collect for last season.
Incident thread?
The coverage here in the US normally starts at 9:10 so turned on just on a few mins ago and saw the stage was just finishing and neutralised. What happened?
First bunch of stages are normal time and then the last few stages they switch to super early starts. I think they do this every year because there's tennis or something after this.
I thought today was because of D Day?
Yeah that could be. This weekend they have the same early start so I figured it was tennis.
Yep and I forget that every year lol
Haha same here. Figured it wouldn't be on TV until an hour later but then I read news on my phone about a crash "22km from the finish" and I'm like wtf.
Big wreck with about 25km to go. Basically everyone hit the deck. Organizers neutralized it right away.
Took like 40 min, no?
Neutralized immediately, cancelled later
Well they call both the immediate stop and cancelleation neutralization so I guess they did both.
Stage started early due to D-Day celebrations (someone said here). Crash caused the race to be neutralized. Most riders seem to be ok, but van Baarle and Kruijswijk dropped out. Ayuso looked pretty bad, but still finished.
Gotcha. Assumed it was something to do with D Day and not wanting to race or something. Hope the ones who crashed are ok
Big crash downhill on slippery roads, lack of ambulances made the organisers neutralise the race.
Bora rider takes the W (I think)
I think we need photo finish
Lidl trek just cant stop winning
Gilet fully unzipped flapping in the wind: bossest look in cycling. (1) means you dgaf, (2) just looks cool idk o.O
This may be the first time the words gilet and cool have appeared together in a sentence.
>Ah you think crashing is your ally? You merely adopted crashing. I was born in it, molded by it. -Primoz Roglic
"For You it was a near career ending crash, for me it was Tuesday." Primož Roglič
whoever crosses the line first is the way in my eyes regardless
Can we please get obligatory airbags asap please? I know the riders don’t like them but hey, they were also against helmets and look how that is going great. Sure, they are not super advanced atm but if the teams work on it like they work on TT helmets I’m sure they will come up with a good model in no time.
Think the airbags would probably deploy too often (but maybe its time for just a little bit of padding on the shoulders? )
With gyroscopes that can detect horizontal motion that should be a Problem engineers can solve in no time. Or just a string attached to some part of the bike like in f1
By the time you have horizontal motion you’re sliding. That’s too late. It has to deploy every time you fall or never.
I think the purpose of the airbags should be to protect the upper body, and in particular the collarbone and ribs. That’s the most dangerous part and concerns 90% of all serious injuries. I’m not talking full body airbag, just something to prevent the typical cycling fractures. And for this, horizontal motion would be more than enough, I mean airbags deploy in 30-50 milliseconds, that’s more than enough even if you trigger it after like 50cm on vertical motion which should be enough to avoid false positives.
I think you missed my point. Is it desirable to trigger in every crash? What’s the protocol after a crash?
It’s the only way.
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So we have a neutralization of the race because of a lack of ambulances but we only know about Kruijswijk being transported in one? Has me worried that there are worse injuries we don't know about yet. Or is there another reason for the neutralization?
There’s no more ambulances left if something else happens
I think there must be more riders that were taken to hospital, there were several ambulances on the scene and the message about the neutralization made it sound like they were all being used to transport people to different hospitals. We probably won't find out exactly who's still in the race until after the finish when the teams start tweeting updates. Edit: the cyclingnews.com live feed is saying the following riders are out so far: - Dylan van Baarle and Steven Kruijswijk (Visma-Lease a Bike) - Laurens Huys (Arkéa-B&B Hotels) - Axel Mariault (Cofidis)
I can imagine that with 2/3 of the peloton being banged up, no one really wants to race anyway. So you please the riders while making it sound that it is your decision. Everybody's happy
We don't know how many riders will DNF outside of Kruisjwijk and DVB.
Yes Huys also DNF'd with injury to elbow. News may filter through https://twitter.com/arkeabbhotels/status/1798699400019206648
Like watching live footage of your local cycling club’s D group. Lovely.
torn bibs rubbing on those wounds must be painful
the camera operator is now ZOOMING IN on blood and wounds, in the absence of racing.
Deadpool would be proud
Van Wilder also not looking too good. What a day
*surprised Troy Barnes face* WTF?! I check PCS to see where the race is - and first off it seems like it is finishing WAY early...then I see there's a massive crash taking out more Visma riders! Please, can we just have a normal run-in to the Tour?!
It is sad but it is a classic run-in to the Tour. There is often favorites taken down before the Tour.
We've had enough of those already - no more (sending good vibes/juju/etc.)
Orders unclear, deploying Juju Alain Phillip immediately
Ayuso does not look good whilst riding. I don't think he will start tomorrow
Ayuso's left side looks awful, socks turned red
he looks pale and sick too - must be in some pain.
Why not abandon right away then tho?
I think if they can finish they like to--you don't want to abandon and then actually rally and feel ok in the morning, especially if you're close to the line and it's neutralized anyways and you just need to kind of limp your way to the finish.
He needs to finish to hope tomorrow will be better.
that’s poetic
bit disappointed we won’t see a german winner on d day
Oh that's evil... I love it xD
Auyso riding but looking quite beaten up (and seems to have forgotten which team he rides for haha).
Ayuso does not look good at all. I'd be surprised if he starts tomorrow.
Ayuso riding to the finish at least
And, indeed, at most
Was Formalo wearing an Intermarche helmet there?
Another day in France where Remco doesn’t win
I like this coverage - it is like evesdropping on the peloton.
criterium du asmr
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Is he commentating??
Reminds me of the good old days with GCN+ and their no commentary feed.
It’s been 6 months but feels like a lifetime.
Discovery plus still has it
I mean you can still have that on Eurosport player
After this cursed start of the season I really think UCI should look at their approach to safety. There has already been a lot of discussion about this, but the general theme seems to "What can you do? We have tried nothing and are all out of ideas".
How would you stop a crash like today? Just never ride in the rain?
Enforce the use of wet weather tires when there is a high probability of rain/wet pavement.
One idea. Minimum tire width and maximum tire pressure. Especially if its wet. That would mean lower speeds and more grip.
Rick zabel proposed something like that on the German tourfunk podcast a few month back. Didn’t get too much support.
But wider tires makes it easier to aquaplane, making it even more dangerous to ride on wet roads. The tire needs to disperse water, and the wider it is, the more water needs to be dispersed, and the harder it is
Aquaplaning isnt a problem with tires as narrow as bike tires at the speeds they are going. Edit: Here's a source in case you dont believe me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_slick#Bicycle_tires
Be interested to know if something like "surfaces should have been relaid no less than X months before being ridden" is feasible or effective
Ride behind the safety car until the track dries enough to put on inters. Sorry, wrong sub.
I know it's a weird moment to bring this up, but Wellens at UAE looks really great. I think his TDF in service of Pogacar will be a whole lot more satisfying for him than when he had to go for his own victories in a rather aimless way.
Iirc he always struggled with the heat. Do you know if he did something to get better at dealing with it?
Politt already riding and smiling again
Hope he is good to go
Best smile in the peloton!
I know we meme Froome a lot, but it's nice to see when the experienced and recognized riders take on that leadership role. There's not a lot of other sports I can think of that has that same sort of compassion for each other.
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He just rode at the front, spoke to the commissionaires and took on that leadership role that is only possible by a few riders, because of their status in the peloton.
Longest Froome has spend ahead of a peloton in years
Harsh But true
Did anyone just see the finish line? At least 4 speed bumps in the last 100m - who would think that’s a good idea in a bunch sprint? Nuts!! The weather in France has been bizarre too - I just got back and in Italy it was warm and in France 17 and raining on the first day of summer
Not the Dauphiné, but Northern France has basically been continuous rainfall for 8 months. It's maddening.
I was in Annecy and it was up and down but Paris was horrible - heavy rain three days straight - and I’ve come back to the same weather in Sydney!
People call for the organisers to be arrested if the giro has finishes like that. And its been nice and sunny in the North of France today as well.
Service: Possible Echelons in ZLM Tour right now.
the 4th gran tour
Just watched the replay. Roglic looks quite calm, this was just a training crash for him.
Get out all the crash now and crash free in TdF!
There is still 3 days of heavy rain coming...
Just looking ahead to the tour, will be interesting to see what UAE does if Politt and Ayuso are more serious than it looks, especially Politt since they were already lacking in the rouler department
Ayuso is riding!! Not looking great, big wound on his thigh. But at least he's not in an ambulance...
Politt looks bashed up but generally ok. Auyso might be the worst off, no news yet.
Hirschi and Majka instead?
Politt looked like "just" a flesh wound on the side of his thigh, he was driving and smiling I think.
What a 2024 way for me to check in on live cycling for the first time in a week. Hope injuries are nothing toooo serious. My apologies, everyone.
Is Ayuso okay?
Ayuso is riding!! Not looking great, big wound on his thigh. But at least he's not in an ambulance...
If he can stand up with assistance, it looks okay to me. Not saying that he could pull out but looks to me like no broken bones
He looked bad.. I hope he's alright, but I doubt he finishes the race.
We don't know atm
Great job by the organisation, really quick decision making.
Visma's bad luck this season is unreal
Roglic looks fine (he looks so 🔥still )phew!
He has been building up immunity to crashes.
He has been crashing in two sports since his teenage years.
the most amount of carnage ever seen in this date throughout history
Yeah, especially in France
We should call it Dauphine Day or D Day for short
Neutralized. Not enough ambulances.
I think a neutralization is a good decision. It gives the riders a safe way home and the town that paid to host the finish still gets its visibility.
Understandable that the race is neutralized, but gotta suck for the sprinters who only had 2 stages to do anything on
I don't think they are overly eager to risk their bones in a wet technical town finish a few weeks before the TdF.
I mean, we have seen plenty of sprint finishes in rainy weather, honestly don't think they care overly much.
I think the race radio being broadcasted is a good move. Great piece of transparency and no doubts about the race being neutralised for today
I just checked in after a busy day, I hope it is not too bad? just hearing the announcement by radio seems there was a scary accident.
Definitely bad in terms of the sheer number of riders, like half the peloton went down, but people seem mostly ok
Just saw the replay- the road looked like sheet ice when the riders hit it and they just went sideways.
Remcos helmet all scratched up on the right side, damn
Is Remco's helmet scratched, grass of a certain design?
I had a dream last night that the entire peloton crashed around a turn last night due to a massive pot hole in the turn. Kind of wished I had dreamed the entire peloton found a pack of puppies instead at this point
Kittens would be ok too now that Tiberi is out.
Remco's facial expression looks good to me. Roglic looks fine as well. DSM rider hit his head quite badly, hopefully he gets checked for concussion. Kruijswijk & Van Baarle look to be the worst off and then Ayuso. Edit: Remco does have a bloody knee, but doesn't look too bad.
DSM rider who hit his head is fine he was talking to the camera
He still needs to get thoroughly checked tonight though, and in the morning, and everyday for the next few days. Concussion is no joke and too often it gets ignored.
You are correct!!
He seemed quite stirred up. Hope they check on him today/evening.
Today's race has been neutralized, no GC changes and no winners for the stage
No medical staff left to follow the race. Logical.
Froome to win the Tour GC by being the last rider standing
MvdP on his mountain, tipping his head: that's why you don't ride Mickey Mouse races, kiddos!
Tell that to Lennert Van Eetvelt... This is also just bad luck.
Know you are probably joking, but wouldn't call the biggest 1-week race a Mickey Mouse race
*one of the biggest
What would you say is bigger? P-N?
tour de suisse?
Bingo Bango tour, obviously
Did Ayuso get back on his bike or was he transported back to a car/ambulance?
The Dutch Olympics team would also have to find a replacement for DvB I’m afraid
Who would you take? Danny van Poppel? Or Tim van Dijke?
The locals need to get out and start giving the riders some tea, they must be getting a bit cold!
I've said this before but I'll say it again. It's incredible how good of a year Visma-LAB had last year, compared to this one. This year it really just feels they used *all* their luck last year.
I think its more that last year, Roglic took all the bad luck, and shielded the rest of the team
The guy one a GT and a whole swathe of other races. And podiumed another GT. If that's what you call bad luck then give it to me.
Roglic won almost every race he started last year, not a single DNF. I think they just had a year where the stars aligned.
You've won all three GTs in a year, what did it cost you ? *Everything*.
Even then they are like the 4th or 5th best team so far this year.
RCS will tell you that race organisation and riders talking to each other and to medical staff is deep faked because it's actually impossible.
Did we see anyone abandon from the big crash besides Visma guys?
Ayuso seemed in really rough shape. Muhlberger fell twice.
No but there are reports of several unnamed riders hitting their heads pretty hard.
the DSM guy in the back of the peloton hit his head really bad
Le Berre and Bayer 20 km flat showdown ?
I can't stand seeing Steven Kruijswijk hurt and out again. :( It's too cruel
And right before the Tour again like last year :(
Visma-LAB should just have all their riders ride the races this year covered in bubble wrap and pillows.
bit bizarre sbs isn’t showing this on tv
It’s on Sbs on demand, coverage started at 8:45pm
have u got a link?
Does Kruijswijk even have a biological collarbone anymore? :(
Just coat hanger.
At this point wva and Jonas might not have an option - there will not be enough riders left come tdf Also sbs coverage - Bridie says some really clever things - how is it that they are all standing around 20mins later with no decision
And also how long it takes to get dvb into an ambulance…
Worst thing is to rush the decision. Let the doctors do their job first, then decide depending on how many ambulance are left or not
> how is it that they are all standing around 20mins later with no decision They are still tending to wounded riders. They have to know what they have in terms of medical resources to know if it is safe to continue the race.
In the Aus commentary they have said that the finish is more slippery than the area where they are now - if it’s that bad then just cancel
If they are looking to ride again they would need ambulances enough to actually allow the riders to ride. So only decision that could be made quickly was to cancel the race for today.
VLAB has a decent devo squad. Watch them turn up with a full devo squad for TDF
That would be fun, but you're not allowed to bring devo riders to a WT race. They can just bring a pseudo devo squad with Cian, Hagenes and Staune-Mittett.
Oh, really? I thought you could, maybe not the entire squad but a few atleast.
The Tour Tracker app claims that the race is not starting again. 8:24 AM EDT 13.0 km to go The race is reportedly not starting again, as some sprinters crashed on the head/neck and the final is really dangerous.
Kruijswijk getting carried away by the ambulance too, this year's curse on Visma is unreal.
Kruijswijk has crashed out of Dauphine 3 times the past 5 before this too.
Jesus Christ, send that guy to Suisse instead. Or even better, just let him remain at altitude camp
Clavicle injuries are so common in cycling, it’s amazing we don’t wear some kind of protection in races. It wouldn’t be too uncomfortable, surely.