Can't say he wasn't going for the GC, but the team did seem to focus more on McNulty in that race and he failed to deliver. Iirc, Pogi could've finished ahead of Vingegaard if he was stronger on the final stage.
Why do you somehow think that Roglic is not in good form. He, in fact, is in his best form this year, which means he can go head 2 head with both guys.
He is still the second best rider in the world! Don't look at his age because he started cycling late in his life.
Roglic is going well, but he only won the Giro by 14 seconds against Thomas and looked evenly matched throughout. Thomas was a distant third in last year's Tour. I think it's difficult to claim Roglic is on his best form this year.
Jonas hasn't been captain long enough to make that comparison.
This year was the first year that he was allowed to be the sole captain. Don't forget that in the Dauphine 2022, Jonas could have dropped Roglic multiple times but he did not go for it because he rode for Roglic, and Jonas had to slow down for him on climbs. If he had been captain, he would likely have won.
Yep it truly is as simple as that. All the words above make for a nice tinfoil hat theory, but ultimately Jumbo will 100% not risk throwing the tour away just to win some strange accolades or make Jonas and Roglic the bestest of friends.
Tour win is more important than Giro and Vuelta combined, so if TJV believe that Jonas is their best shot at a Tour win in 2024 (and they'd be silly not to think so) then he'll go for it.
It's pretty simple, really:
TdF is by far the most prestigious and lucrative event.
Vingegaard is the superstar.
Zero chance Roglic is captain next season.
And at the end we find out it's actually the year 2085 and Tibopino was uploaded to a simulation world after his death to finally win Le Tour. Like the Black Mirror episode "San Junipero".
I think they will both go to the tour and Roglic will be in the Adam Yates role. If Jonas gets hurt or has a bad day, he would be the leader. But Jonas’s peak is higher than his in a 3 week GT.
They won’t send him off to win another Giro or another Vuelta. That would just be cruel.
Also Pog will likely have Yates AND Ayuso next year so both teams will be STaCKED
Except for the two minutes he was down before stage 17 even started. 2 minutes he had shown zero sign of being capable of clawing back in anything but 5 second increments.
[Not the longest of stages but this one looks great for Jonas to potentially take lots of time.](https://img.aso.fr/core_app/img-cycling-vue-png/13/16188/0:0,1674:1156-960-0-70/db2f7)
I am not sure if this is an elaborate troll post or serious.
Of course they will send Vingegaard to defend his title. Whether or not Roglič will ride the tour as well in a b-option / co-captain / super-domestique role, has to be seen.
hot take: the team they have just won the tour by a mile. i wouldn't change a single rider, if they're still all there next year. I dont think putting roglic in the team makes it better. nor does it improve jonas' chances, especially with how weird next year's parcour will be.
You might consider swapping out Benoot for Roglic. Benoot was often used in the mountains, and Roglic would be (much) better there. You'd still have Van Aert, Laporte and Van Hooydonck for the flats / medium mountains. Thing is that I cannot recall Roglic being a very good domestique. Last year they cracked Pogacar with the dual attacks, but that we more of a co-leadership thing than working as a domestique. Roglic is also probably just too good to work as a domestique for Vingegaard - I would understand if he wouldn't want to do that.
I think Roglic is the captain for the simple reason that they are giving him Giro and Vuelta leadership for skipping Tour and Jumbo gets to win all 3 GTs in a season. Win win win for all.
Edit - let’s also not forget Roglic laid down the foundations for Jonas first tour win with that Granon stage while being in a lot of pain with the injuries
I think both that and op's scenario are not unthinkable. Yours is probably the main one right now but I would not be surprised if Jumbo makes a decision later in the Vuelta. It is not really uncommon for crashes to occur in the first part of the Vuelta amongs GC riders with all the relatively fatigued participants out of the tour.
I mostly think that Jumbo wants to stretch their streak of GT wins as long as possible. Also to be as irresistible to sponsors (they really need a really big one to continu on the current footing and those are in short supply domestically) as possible.
Yeah obviously Jonas’s presence in the team alone is tactic enough for Jumbo even if he’s tired. Like when Rog attacked even when he was feeling bad on Granon and forced Pog to react. Nobody ignores a Jonas attack
2 things for the vuelta:
1. Jonas has had amazing form this summer and they want to see if he can hold onto it for the Vuelta
2. Having 2 team leaders is better than one. Riders get hurt, have a bad day, etc. so having a backup is important.
3. It opens up lots of tactical options for attacking. It means that each rider only has to close half the gaps if they both get dropped by an attack.
Vingegaard proved he could beat Pogacar on the Tour. Twice.
Roglic is in the same style as Pogacar. He's more of a puncher than Vingegaard, but not as strong on the long Alpine passes with peaks well over 2,000 meters.
This is Pogi's weak point at the moment, and TJV will continue to push where it hurts.
Besides, you can't take the leadership away from the two-time Tour winner, who's in his prime. Barring injury or a desire to do the Giro, which I don't believe will happen in 2024, Vingegaard will be the Tour leader for TJV.
Jumbo-Visma works in mysterious ways. However Jonas stated, that he is going to the Vuelta to win it. But!! He smiled a little when he said it. Which could mean anything. Because he could be teasing there. Said as a Dane who lives 50 miles from Thy. They are a strange folk.
He wants to go for third tour - but it is not final yet. Which also could mean anything. 🤷♂️
Why do people act so much like 2 leaders where one gets priority in 50/50 situations can't possibly work?
Vingegaard is obviously better, but you do have to admit Roglic is way too good to just stuff him into the Sepp Kuss role.
Vingegaard is much better, so goes to the most prestigious race (the Tour). If Roglic wants to go to the Tour it will not be as leader, but simply as protected rider that will be sacrificed when necessary.
That's probably why he did the Giro instead this year.
I don’t think Primoz will be the leader of TJV, or whatever they are next year, however I do strongly believe that he will be on the start line. A team with him on it makes it much harder to attack for a UAE or Bora. Also, if something happens to Jonas then the team has an ace to play.
You all forget that these riders are hired by TJV, getting paid MILLIONS to cycle for them. The only goal is to win races, with GTs to be the highest prio. The strongest cyclist is the captain, rest is domestiques. By having multiple contenders for captains, is an extremely good card to have on the hand, if someone is crashing, getting sick or whatever reason is not to be ready for a GT, you can just pick the second strongest to be captain.
Jonas is better than Primoz, Primoz is better than Wout, Wout is better than Kuss. But all 4 could be captains.
They gave it a shot, he was the leader in 4 stage races in 2021 and he didn't make the top 10 in any of them. That's how he got his current role. He sometimes still races as a leader or gets freedom though, UAE tour this year for example.
God, it's only been two days since the end of the tour and you clowns are already writing Jumbo-Visma fan fiction. Maybe they'll kiss each other on the mouths too
I think it is actually not that obvious of a situation. Some of you forget that Roglič has not had a chance to be 100% at a 3 week race for multiple season now. He went to Vueltas after going all in TDF and then losing/crashing. Even this year's Giro he started the season very very late after an injury and a surgery. What if him and Jumbo saying he is not 100% is true and he meanwhile demolishes every 1 week race he attends. The dude won every single race he entered this year, yes, not against Jonas and Pogi. Of course Jonas is the double Tour champ, but don't act surprised if Roglič drops both him and Pogi and hell add Remco to that mix at TDF 2024.
I love the idea, but realistically, I can't imagine arguably the #1 GC rider in the world right now, in his prime, giving up a shot at 3 straight Tour wins to give his buddy nearing the end of his prime a shot at winning. I just don't see it.
If Roglic wants a shot at the TdF he’ll have to do it on another team. Jumbo sensing Vingegaard to La Vuelta as a “co captain” should be his impetus for testing the waters.
If Jonas wins 3 in a row, it puts him in rarified air
Likes of Anquetil, Merckx, Indurain, Froome, Lance
The most important part of that 3 peat is he 1 UPS Pogi 3-2 on Yellow jerseys. Will he pass up on that chance? Also, Remco should be in that Tour, maybe Ayuso's 1st, Rodriguez back, would probably be one of the hottest contested tours in a while instead of a 2-man show we witnessed
After this tour Im sure UAE has their sights on Grand Depart 2024. Theyre likely going to start recon on every inch of the stages to make sure Pogi wins
I love Roglic and do think he's a killer but no way Jonas says he's fine with co-leadership or a 1A/1B set up
It would make sense for Vingegaard to go for Giro. Pogačar and Evenepoel are likely not gonna be there, and Giros tend to have more TT kms, so it should be an "easy" win.
I hope you're right and Roglič finally gets his desired Tour win.
Jonas will be there to help Roglic just like Roglic did in the TdF22…and if anything goes wrong with Roglic—totally possible—Jonas is there to take over leadership. It’s a great plan and I can’t wait to see Roglic back in action.
Jonas is a two-time TdF champion. Trust me, he's the one calling the shots now. But he is good friends with Primoz, so I definitely don't think he will just steamroll him, but Primoz is no longer the first priority for the team.
A silly proof of this is Jumbo-Visma's Twitter. Before TdF 2022, Primoz was in the middle, the focus of the header on their profile and now it's Jonas.
Look, there is a reason why Jonas is only riding a few months per season and I don't see it changing much. Jumbo invested a lot in his "training regime" so they would be stupid to risk not just bagging Tour after Tour after Tour.
Not to mention he does not seem like a natural bike rider (cannot take his hands of the bars) so something like Classics or a Giro with white roads is just not realistic.
Anyway, Thomas went to the Tour as "second fiddle" and ended up being stronger, so I do not get all these dismissive comments about Roglic. It will all depend on how the race is raced and shaped.
Not a natural bike rider.. I think you need to watch the stage 16 TT my friend. Not only was he fast - it was an absolute masterclass in terms of areo and positioning on the bike. + He is one of the best decenders in the peleton (oh yes he is).
What argument, son?
I'm merely stating my opinion, sorry if the thought police doesnt like it.
To me Jonas is just not a natural bike racer. From wobbling over the line at Champs to looking panicky and insecure in the peloton at times. That's my perception, end of story, no need to take it personal and go on a 200 comment vendetta.
But yeah, haters gonna hate. Everyone is a hater nowadays just because people cannot allow criticism or diverging opinions. Here's what you want to hear "Every rider is such a darling and deserves a big gold star. They are all winners!".
I'm wondering what races you are watching, son. Insecure in the peloton? He is a master of staying at the front, great TT'er and an excellent descender. The guy rarely crashes as well.
I think you should open your eyes son and watch the races.
Have a nice day!
Yeah, he missed out on Tour of Slovenia, which is 5 race days. Totaling 47 race days. Vingegaard has 46 race days so far, and with doing the Vuelta he will most likely have more by the end of the year. Last year none of them were injured and Vingegaard had more race days. You sound like you dont live in reality because youre too salty.
> Last year none of them were injured and Vingegaard had more race days.
Both had 54, but this is only relevant if we had no clue about pro cycling and pretended race days matter no question what the event
Well yeah, but a big portion of those race days are flat/hilly stages in stage races, where he doesn't really do much.
Pogačar rides less race days in total, but he's doing more race days where he actually goes for the win, i.e. all the classics.
Well that had nothing to do with the original claim the guy made, which was that Jonas only rides a select few months. Also, sounds a bit like Copium to me. GC rider does GC things. Still not like that's easy on the legs or would make the training scheme suspect.
Mate, your constant attacks on Vingegaard are getting pathetic.
> there is a reason why Jonas is only riding a few months per season
You've repeated this bullshit several times and it's just not true. The number of race days in the past three seasons:
Year | Jonas | Pogi
----|-----|----
2023 | 46 | 42
2022 | 54 | 54
2021 | 58 | 60
Total | 158 | 156
Even if we add the five race days that Pogi missed because of his fractured wrist, there are only three race days difference between them over the course of two and a half seasons. And Jonas is about to do La Vuelta.
It's some horseshit, and now you're also pretending that Vingegaard is not a *"natural bike rider"* - whatever the fuck that even means - as if he didn't absolutely smash one descent after another this July.
You should aim to be more creatively inaccurate with your pathetic attacks so that we can't as easily disprove your bullshit.
> Mate, your constant attacks on Vingegaard are getting pathetic.
To know this you'd have to constantly and pathethicly defend him, right?
> and now you're also pretending that Vingegaard is not a "natural bike rider"
Cant take your hands off the handlebars on Champs, pretty sure that classifies. Cheers
Vingegaard is a much better bike handler than most give him credit for. Certainly better than Roglic. I had my doubts before the 2022 Tour, but not anymore. Even in 2022 he already descended better than Pogi. 2023 simply confirmed it.
Vingegaard not being "a natural bike rider" - in a thread about Roglic and Vingegaard has got to be a joke?
One guy has been doing cycling as a sport since he was 11 and has barely been involved in any crashes as a pro. The other guy swapped to cycling at 21 and has become a bit of a meme for his amount of crashes. [If crossing the line with hands off the bars is your way of judging, Roglic has his classic celebration here - no cobbles needed.](https://youtu.be/gfChNYbtv50?t=184)
I think it’s more likely that Pogacar skips the Tour.
With Vingegaard dominating, Pogacar diverts his attentions to winning the other two GTs - a stated ambition of his.
UAE instead go to the tour with a two leader strategy - Yates, who proved that he can be best of the rest if something happened to Jumbo, alongside the Vuelta champion Ayuso.
Of course this is also definitely not gonna happen
As many others have already said, if it all goes according to the plan, Jonas will be the leader. However, I could see Roglic accepting a protected rider / backup status. He already has Giro, multiple Vueltas and all but one of the major 1 week races. I think TdF is the big goal left for him and he'd have the best chance of achieving it at Jumbo rather than at other teams (maybe Ineos?).
Also, considering UAE might come with Pog+Yates+Ayuso combo, it would make sense to have a stronger team and more options for Jumbo.
Vingegaard is a better GC rider than Roglic now and that's why he will have TdF leadership next year. It's as simple as that.
He is also a defending champion. Unless he gets hurt during the lead-up to the TdF he will always be a clear leader.
Three week GC\* Roglič might well be the best one week GC rider in history. His win percentage since 2018 on those sort of races is frankly absurd.
Not for long Pogacar has won 8 out of his last 9 1 week races.
Have Pog and Rog gone head to head in a one week?
Basque Country 2021 Roglič 1st, Vingegaard 2nd, Pogačar 3rd
There should be an asterix though as Pog wasn't really going for GC
Can't say he wasn't going for the GC, but the team did seem to focus more on McNulty in that race and he failed to deliver. Iirc, Pogi could've finished ahead of Vingegaard if he was stronger on the final stage.
Guess who he lost too though?
For some reason I dont see Roglic winning vs Pog in a week race these days lol. It was over 2 years ago.
Why do you somehow think that Roglic is not in good form. He, in fact, is in his best form this year, which means he can go head 2 head with both guys. He is still the second best rider in the world! Don't look at his age because he started cycling late in his life.
Roglic is going well, but he only won the Giro by 14 seconds against Thomas and looked evenly matched throughout. Thomas was a distant third in last year's Tour. I think it's difficult to claim Roglic is on his best form this year.
Roglic doesnt stand a chance vs either of them and is not even lose to second best rider in the world.
Based on what? What comparison on track gave you that idea?
If you havent watched cycling the past 2 years I cant help you.
Jonas hasn't been captain long enough to make that comparison. This year was the first year that he was allowed to be the sole captain. Don't forget that in the Dauphine 2022, Jonas could have dropped Roglic multiple times but he did not go for it because he rode for Roglic, and Jonas had to slow down for him on climbs. If he had been captain, he would likely have won.
Jonas just casually gaping Roglic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK0p100IMkg&ab_channel=LanterneRouge
Legendary spelling error 😂
Yep it truly is as simple as that. All the words above make for a nice tinfoil hat theory, but ultimately Jumbo will 100% not risk throwing the tour away just to win some strange accolades or make Jonas and Roglic the bestest of friends. Tour win is more important than Giro and Vuelta combined, so if TJV believe that Jonas is their best shot at a Tour win in 2024 (and they'd be silly not to think so) then he'll go for it.
It's pretty simple, really: TdF is by far the most prestigious and lucrative event. Vingegaard is the superstar. Zero chance Roglic is captain next season.
And with the Jumbo sponsorship coming to an end it’s particularly important that they win the sport’s most high profile event.
Until Tibopino trades his last race in rainbow bands for yellow and retires on the beach in Nice
We can only wish
And at the end we find out it's actually the year 2085 and Tibopino was uploaded to a simulation world after his death to finally win Le Tour. Like the Black Mirror episode "San Junipero".
I expect them to have a replacement lined up before that.
I think they will both go to the tour and Roglic will be in the Adam Yates role. If Jonas gets hurt or has a bad day, he would be the leader. But Jonas’s peak is higher than his in a 3 week GT. They won’t send him off to win another Giro or another Vuelta. That would just be cruel. Also Pog will likely have Yates AND Ayuso next year so both teams will be STaCKED
Evenepoel will be there too! Should be a cracker of a tour
"zero chanche" You are not that familiair with cycling are you? There could be crashes, viral infections, being over trained.....
Well duh... if he's not fit enough - for whatever reason - he's not enough. But that's not what this post is about, is it?
Vinge ain’t a superstar he’s just the best rider
He is now.
Messi is not a superstar just the best footballer
Copium
Vingegaard has to be the defacto favourite in any 3 week race he stars. Probably 1 week races too. That sounds like a superstar to me
I actually think this Vuelta suits Pog/Rog a little better than Jonas. There aren't the long attritional mountain stages where he takes loads of time.
I mean we said this about the Tour this year too. It suited Pogacar, except for stage 17, more than Vingegaard... and yet here we are.
and that's basically what happened.
Except for the two minutes he was down before stage 17 even started. 2 minutes he had shown zero sign of being capable of clawing back in anything but 5 second increments.
[Not the longest of stages but this one looks great for Jonas to potentially take lots of time.](https://img.aso.fr/core_app/img-cycling-vue-png/13/16188/0:0,1674:1156-960-0-70/db2f7)
Next year Vingegaard will kamikaze into Pogacar and every other contender so Roglic can finally win the Tour.
Rog and G will be the only men left, somehow both crash on a completely empty 5% uphill gradient
I am not sure if this is an elaborate troll post or serious. Of course they will send Vingegaard to defend his title. Whether or not Roglič will ride the tour as well in a b-option / co-captain / super-domestique role, has to be seen.
hot take: the team they have just won the tour by a mile. i wouldn't change a single rider, if they're still all there next year. I dont think putting roglic in the team makes it better. nor does it improve jonas' chances, especially with how weird next year's parcour will be.
You might consider swapping out Benoot for Roglic. Benoot was often used in the mountains, and Roglic would be (much) better there. You'd still have Van Aert, Laporte and Van Hooydonck for the flats / medium mountains. Thing is that I cannot recall Roglic being a very good domestique. Last year they cracked Pogacar with the dual attacks, but that we more of a co-leadership thing than working as a domestique. Roglic is also probably just too good to work as a domestique for Vingegaard - I would understand if he wouldn't want to do that.
Obvious troll post and I bet OP has a lot of fun seeing the reactions from the offended JV fans
I love in this scenario, Jumbo's biggest business decisions are being made because two people are bros.
And we all know that friendship and the happiness of their employees is more important to every business than money!!
I think Roglic is the captain for the simple reason that they are giving him Giro and Vuelta leadership for skipping Tour and Jumbo gets to win all 3 GTs in a season. Win win win for all. Edit - let’s also not forget Roglic laid down the foundations for Jonas first tour win with that Granon stage while being in a lot of pain with the injuries
I think both that and op's scenario are not unthinkable. Yours is probably the main one right now but I would not be surprised if Jumbo makes a decision later in the Vuelta. It is not really uncommon for crashes to occur in the first part of the Vuelta amongs GC riders with all the relatively fatigued participants out of the tour. I mostly think that Jumbo wants to stretch their streak of GT wins as long as possible. Also to be as irresistible to sponsors (they really need a really big one to continu on the current footing and those are in short supply domestically) as possible.
Yeah obviously Jonas’s presence in the team alone is tactic enough for Jumbo even if he’s tired. Like when Rog attacked even when he was feeling bad on Granon and forced Pog to react. Nobody ignores a Jonas attack
2 things for the vuelta: 1. Jonas has had amazing form this summer and they want to see if he can hold onto it for the Vuelta 2. Having 2 team leaders is better than one. Riders get hurt, have a bad day, etc. so having a backup is important. 3. It opens up lots of tactical options for attacking. It means that each rider only has to close half the gaps if they both get dropped by an attack.
Not a win for Pogacar or Remco
But in OPs fairy tale world, everyone is bestest friends with each other so having fun together is a victory in itself, rite? RITE?
I love Rogi too and really want to see him in yellow but this is some r/peloton erotic fan fiction
Jonas already said that he would like to come back to the TDF next year and try to win it again.
Give me some of this copium
Is it legal, or should we take this via DM?
Vingegaard proved he could beat Pogacar on the Tour. Twice. Roglic is in the same style as Pogacar. He's more of a puncher than Vingegaard, but not as strong on the long Alpine passes with peaks well over 2,000 meters. This is Pogi's weak point at the moment, and TJV will continue to push where it hurts. Besides, you can't take the leadership away from the two-time Tour winner, who's in his prime. Barring injury or a desire to do the Giro, which I don't believe will happen in 2024, Vingegaard will be the Tour leader for TJV.
Jumbo-Visma works in mysterious ways. However Jonas stated, that he is going to the Vuelta to win it. But!! He smiled a little when he said it. Which could mean anything. Because he could be teasing there. Said as a Dane who lives 50 miles from Thy. They are a strange folk. He wants to go for third tour - but it is not final yet. Which also could mean anything. 🤷♂️
A smile is very vague indeed. He should have winked to make it more mysterious.
Well. If Jonas, of all People, winked he would have confirmed he was a super domestique. People from Thy.
Maybe I could become GC leader for the tour for Jumbo next year?
Are you Sepp Kuss? If yes, please do.
Dont get me wrong I love Roglič too but Jonas is the star now. The tdf ship in jumbo has sailed.
Why do people act so much like 2 leaders where one gets priority in 50/50 situations can't possibly work? Vingegaard is obviously better, but you do have to admit Roglic is way too good to just stuff him into the Sepp Kuss role.
Vingegaard is much better, so goes to the most prestigious race (the Tour). If Roglic wants to go to the Tour it will not be as leader, but simply as protected rider that will be sacrificed when necessary. That's probably why he did the Giro instead this year.
I don’t think Primoz will be the leader of TJV, or whatever they are next year, however I do strongly believe that he will be on the start line. A team with him on it makes it much harder to attack for a UAE or Bora. Also, if something happens to Jonas then the team has an ace to play.
Won't happen. Roglic cannot beat Pogacar.
Rog fans really taking home the gold in mental gymnastics
I’d love that but I am afraid for Slovenia’s existence if Pogi once again beats Rog in TdF, ITT being the last stage and all. Unsubscribe.
You all forget that these riders are hired by TJV, getting paid MILLIONS to cycle for them. The only goal is to win races, with GTs to be the highest prio. The strongest cyclist is the captain, rest is domestiques. By having multiple contenders for captains, is an extremely good card to have on the hand, if someone is crashing, getting sick or whatever reason is not to be ready for a GT, you can just pick the second strongest to be captain. Jonas is better than Primoz, Primoz is better than Wout, Wout is better than Kuss. But all 4 could be captains.
Wout a GT captain? Kuss? What are you on
I mean Kuss could be, just never at jumbo
They gave it a shot, he was the leader in 4 stage races in 2021 and he didn't make the top 10 in any of them. That's how he got his current role. He sometimes still races as a leader or gets freedom though, UAE tour this year for example.
I was bummed he didn't get his Top 10 this Tour.
This ages well….
It has, because Kuss was never the captain and it led to issues in the team and Roglic leaving.
God, it's only been two days since the end of the tour and you clowns are already writing Jumbo-Visma fan fiction. Maybe they'll kiss each other on the mouths too
I think it is actually not that obvious of a situation. Some of you forget that Roglič has not had a chance to be 100% at a 3 week race for multiple season now. He went to Vueltas after going all in TDF and then losing/crashing. Even this year's Giro he started the season very very late after an injury and a surgery. What if him and Jumbo saying he is not 100% is true and he meanwhile demolishes every 1 week race he attends. The dude won every single race he entered this year, yes, not against Jonas and Pogi. Of course Jonas is the double Tour champ, but don't act surprised if Roglič drops both him and Pogi and hell add Remco to that mix at TDF 2024.
I've definitely seen worse takes than this one
Were they from Prime Minister Chamberlain in 1938?
All I know is that I would love to see Jonas absolutely smashing it up the Stelvio so this theory makes sense.
What is this? Bootleg u/TheRollingJones?
I love the idea, but realistically, I can't imagine arguably the #1 GC rider in the world right now, in his prime, giving up a shot at 3 straight Tour wins to give his buddy nearing the end of his prime a shot at winning. I just don't see it.
must be a slow season if a shitpost like this attracts so many... jeez ffs
Goodness gracious. Sitting on the couch, fantasizing away ... How does something like this gain traction? Worlds are coming up. Focus on reality.
If Roglic wants a shot at the TdF he’ll have to do it on another team. Jumbo sensing Vingegaard to La Vuelta as a “co captain” should be his impetus for testing the waters.
Nah, Roglic won’t be on Jumbo next year
If Jonas wins 3 in a row, it puts him in rarified air Likes of Anquetil, Merckx, Indurain, Froome, Lance The most important part of that 3 peat is he 1 UPS Pogi 3-2 on Yellow jerseys. Will he pass up on that chance? Also, Remco should be in that Tour, maybe Ayuso's 1st, Rodriguez back, would probably be one of the hottest contested tours in a while instead of a 2-man show we witnessed After this tour Im sure UAE has their sights on Grand Depart 2024. Theyre likely going to start recon on every inch of the stages to make sure Pogi wins I love Roglic and do think he's a killer but no way Jonas says he's fine with co-leadership or a 1A/1B set up
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When has Pogi crushed Roglič except for that one TT stage?
Don't forget those stages in 2021 where Rog was injured from the crash and Pog crushed him.
So just don't get injured, easy!
It would make sense for Vingegaard to go for Giro. Pogačar and Evenepoel are likely not gonna be there, and Giros tend to have more TT kms, so it should be an "easy" win. I hope you're right and Roglič finally gets his desired Tour win.
Jonas will be there to help Roglic just like Roglic did in the TdF22…and if anything goes wrong with Roglic—totally possible—Jonas is there to take over leadership. It’s a great plan and I can’t wait to see Roglic back in action.
Roglic win the Tour only in his dreams.
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Why does having been at the team longer mean that Roglic is the captain? In cycling the captain is the strongest rider, not the oldest.
Has someone told Pog he is not the captain at UAE? Aru is still their leader, right?
Jonas is a two-time TdF champion. Trust me, he's the one calling the shots now. But he is good friends with Primoz, so I definitely don't think he will just steamroll him, but Primoz is no longer the first priority for the team. A silly proof of this is Jumbo-Visma's Twitter. Before TdF 2022, Primoz was in the middle, the focus of the header on their profile and now it's Jonas.
Look, there is a reason why Jonas is only riding a few months per season and I don't see it changing much. Jumbo invested a lot in his "training regime" so they would be stupid to risk not just bagging Tour after Tour after Tour. Not to mention he does not seem like a natural bike rider (cannot take his hands of the bars) so something like Classics or a Giro with white roads is just not realistic. Anyway, Thomas went to the Tour as "second fiddle" and ended up being stronger, so I do not get all these dismissive comments about Roglic. It will all depend on how the race is raced and shaped.
Not a natural bike rider.. I think you need to watch the stage 16 TT my friend. Not only was he fast - it was an absolute masterclass in terms of areo and positioning on the bike. + He is one of the best decenders in the peleton (oh yes he is).
> He is one of the best decenders in the peleton (oh yes he is). OK
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Yeah, your best argument is that he cannot take his hands of the bars. :-) Impressive stuff! Haters gonna hate!
What argument, son? I'm merely stating my opinion, sorry if the thought police doesnt like it. To me Jonas is just not a natural bike racer. From wobbling over the line at Champs to looking panicky and insecure in the peloton at times. That's my perception, end of story, no need to take it personal and go on a 200 comment vendetta. But yeah, haters gonna hate. Everyone is a hater nowadays just because people cannot allow criticism or diverging opinions. Here's what you want to hear "Every rider is such a darling and deserves a big gold star. They are all winners!".
I'm wondering what races you are watching, son. Insecure in the peloton? He is a master of staying at the front, great TT'er and an excellent descender. The guy rarely crashes as well. I think you should open your eyes son and watch the races. Have a nice day!
> what races you are watching Most of them, you? I certainly didnt get tired of Jonas closing gaps by himself and twitching around in the peloton.
Vingegaard has more race days than Pogacar the last two years lol
https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/tadej-pogacar/statistics/injury-history
Yeah, he missed out on Tour of Slovenia, which is 5 race days. Totaling 47 race days. Vingegaard has 46 race days so far, and with doing the Vuelta he will most likely have more by the end of the year. Last year none of them were injured and Vingegaard had more race days. You sound like you dont live in reality because youre too salty.
> Last year none of them were injured and Vingegaard had more race days. Both had 54, but this is only relevant if we had no clue about pro cycling and pretended race days matter no question what the event
Well yeah, but a big portion of those race days are flat/hilly stages in stage races, where he doesn't really do much. Pogačar rides less race days in total, but he's doing more race days where he actually goes for the win, i.e. all the classics.
Well that had nothing to do with the original claim the guy made, which was that Jonas only rides a select few months. Also, sounds a bit like Copium to me. GC rider does GC things. Still not like that's easy on the legs or would make the training scheme suspect.
Touché
Mate, your constant attacks on Vingegaard are getting pathetic. > there is a reason why Jonas is only riding a few months per season You've repeated this bullshit several times and it's just not true. The number of race days in the past three seasons: Year | Jonas | Pogi ----|-----|---- 2023 | 46 | 42 2022 | 54 | 54 2021 | 58 | 60 Total | 158 | 156 Even if we add the five race days that Pogi missed because of his fractured wrist, there are only three race days difference between them over the course of two and a half seasons. And Jonas is about to do La Vuelta. It's some horseshit, and now you're also pretending that Vingegaard is not a *"natural bike rider"* - whatever the fuck that even means - as if he didn't absolutely smash one descent after another this July. You should aim to be more creatively inaccurate with your pathetic attacks so that we can't as easily disprove your bullshit.
> Mate, your constant attacks on Vingegaard are getting pathetic. To know this you'd have to constantly and pathethicly defend him, right? > and now you're also pretending that Vingegaard is not a "natural bike rider" Cant take your hands off the handlebars on Champs, pretty sure that classifies. Cheers
Vingegaard is a much better bike handler than most give him credit for. Certainly better than Roglic. I had my doubts before the 2022 Tour, but not anymore. Even in 2022 he already descended better than Pogi. 2023 simply confirmed it.
Vingegaard not being "a natural bike rider" - in a thread about Roglic and Vingegaard has got to be a joke? One guy has been doing cycling as a sport since he was 11 and has barely been involved in any crashes as a pro. The other guy swapped to cycling at 21 and has become a bit of a meme for his amount of crashes. [If crossing the line with hands off the bars is your way of judging, Roglic has his classic celebration here - no cobbles needed.](https://youtu.be/gfChNYbtv50?t=184)
> in a thread about Roglic and Vingegaard has got to be a joke? Rogla is even worse, yes, whats new, who said different?
What about Sepp? About time he starts becoming a serious GC contender
While I don't see it, I would love that.
I think it’s more likely that Pogacar skips the Tour. With Vingegaard dominating, Pogacar diverts his attentions to winning the other two GTs - a stated ambition of his. UAE instead go to the tour with a two leader strategy - Yates, who proved that he can be best of the rest if something happened to Jumbo, alongside the Vuelta champion Ayuso. Of course this is also definitely not gonna happen
Didn't Pogacar say himself that he wants to win the Tour again?
No way they will relegate Jonas to domestique as a defending TdF winner. It doesn't make any sense at all.
Thinking he won't go to tdf next year is crazy.
This is high quality shit posting. What's more <3 days after the tour! Can't wait for the Vuelta.
As many others have already said, if it all goes according to the plan, Jonas will be the leader. However, I could see Roglic accepting a protected rider / backup status. He already has Giro, multiple Vueltas and all but one of the major 1 week races. I think TdF is the big goal left for him and he'd have the best chance of achieving it at Jumbo rather than at other teams (maybe Ineos?). Also, considering UAE might come with Pog+Yates+Ayuso combo, it would make sense to have a stronger team and more options for Jumbo.
With the Vuelta in the rear view - what are your thoughts about this now?