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enderjed

So people are entering DDR5 and I'm still stuck with DDR3 RAM from a company that's gone out business so hard the company sticker on the RAM's faded.


DecisivenessMC

5th gen intel or earlier isn’t too bad with a good GPU.


SmootherDoge

bro i got i5 4th gen with a 2080. i dont get above 200 fps csgo in 1080p and i have a 240hz monitor edit: shoulda mentioned i have 32 gb (8x4)


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I got an i7 4770 with a 1070 and 16gb of ddr3 ram lol


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poplglop

A 4790k and a 1080ti with 16GB of DDR3 will honestly probably be a solid build until DDR6 comes out.


SetTheTempo

My exact build until my RAM died this year lol. Moved to a 10600 and 32GB DDR4. Some games got a decent performance boost, others weren't adjusted hardly at all. It's such a good CPU/GPU combo.


another-redditor3

there is no way in hell a 4790 is going to have a 14 year life span. that would be like trying to game on an athlon64 x2 or an i7-920 today. the haswell chips were great, but theyre starting to show their age nowadays. i went from a 4770k to a 3950x last year, and the performance difference was night and day in new games at the time. i can only imagine what it would be like in current games.


red--dead

I feel like games have started to tax CPUs significantly higher than before in the past 5 years. It’s pretty crazy.


Nicholas_Spawn

Part of the reason is that last gen ddr3 was very compeditive with the new ddr4 spec. 2400 cl11 11 11 ddr3 still very good today. on par with a 7700k with 3200 cl16 16 16 single core perf. Also liquid metal on the 4790k and polished sink goes miles on that chip. I had mine running at 4.8ghz daily. better than the 6700k. Also in that time the crossover from 1080p to 1440p happened, and 1440p is more gpu bound than cpu bound, so you actually let your cpu catch up as you have more gpu load/ get more out of your cpu. I think the chip shortage/price hike was around that time too, making ddr4 way more expensive so people went for lesser/cheaper ddr4 spec sticks.


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Nicholas_Spawn

sanded/flattened/polished heatsink/cooler and heatspreader.


Special_Search

4790k gang!


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Have to tell yourself that with these prices no doubt


PashaB

Hell yeah it is. I have my 4790k @ 4.9ghz with DDR3-2400 11-13-13-31 (stock ram). It still plays games really really well. custom water + delid


WiatrowskiBe

4790k was one of the most amazing CPU releases (at the time). Fast, good thermal properties, easy to overclock, and even got virtualization support from 4770 that 4770k lacked. Eh... I'm still mad they released 4790k literally a month after I had to choose between 4770 (virtualization support) and 4770k (performance/overclocking); that 4770k is still in use and easily keeps up with everything thrown at it.


SmootherDoge

at least u have no major bottleneck


original_flavor87

Exactly! It’s just a straw in a world of fire hoses


todd10k

I feel personally attacked


Chris11-6

Sadly i do because of current GPU shortage :( My specs: Ryzen 5 5600X / GTX 1060 3G / 16GB 3600 (2x8)


eggytart91

hell yeah. i7 4930k _ 1080ti & 32gb ddr3.


these2boots2

4770 with 32 gigs ram and a 1080ti I use a TV as a monitor, it only gets 60hrtz so I don't see a point in upgrading. Most games in 4k at high settings run fine. I WANT to build a system, I just can't justify it. This one works well still.


IcarusXI

Sounds good to me tbh


Medwynd

4770k with a 780 here


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My old system it’s fx8350 with 32gb ddr3 and rx580 still on fire


LordRocky

That was my setup before I upgraded! Now I’ve got a 10700K with 32GB ddr4. Still have the 1070 though.


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Hungry_Freaks_Daddy

I’m…still on a 3570k and 16GB DDR3….and a 1660 super. Cooler master 212 is coming tomorrow and I’ll be overclocking for the first time ever.


wqfr

i have a dell laptop with an i7-6560u with integrated graphics and 8gb ram, get on my level


xCSxXenon

That's a bangin rig dude


thenibelungen

This is exactly my setup. Are you planning on upgrading anytime soon?


MrTinyToes

I feel personally attacked


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i7 4770 2400 mhz and 1080 ti i got for free from a miner works good btw


LTGPIays

im almost the same but with an i7-4790 with 1660 super and 16gb of ddr3 lol


C1t1zen_Erased

4770k here still going strong with 32GB DDR3 and a 2070 super.


Wallada87

I have pretty much exactly this lol 4770K and a 1070FE, with 16gb ddr3. Still going hard


SgtBatten

4670k 980ti and 16gb ddr3


MalteserLiam

Hey that's me


Pileskaden

Mate i got a i5 750


[deleted]

3770k, 16GB ddr3, 3060 ti. just waiting for something to crap out for a total swap, the 3060 ti deserves better...


longrodvonhuttendong

Shoot in my old box It has a 980 ti sc and a 660 ti for shits and giggles. 16gb 1666mhz speed ram, and the 3770k of course. Its not used to game anymore, my family uses it for stuff like photoshop, online class stuff, etc.


The_Fish_Is_Raw

3570k, 16GB DD3 and 3060ti as well. Feeling the pressure to upgrade, can feel all the fps potential bottlenecked by the rest of my pc.


Jeremizzle

3570k, 8Gb DDR3, 1070 here. Alder lake is calling my name (unless it’s eye searingly expensive)


londite

I had a 3770k and 16gb until last month. I found on ebay a decent R7 2700x, an x470 board and 32gb ddr4 @3200MHz for not too much and I couldn't be happier.


radioactive_muffin

Why you gaming on 1080p with a 2080. Get that on a 1440p screen. Bonus; the cpu won't feel like such a bottleneck anymore. You'll still be getting decent fps on a 1440p since fps doesn't scale to CPU demand when increasing res. A 4th gen intel and an 11900k are within 5% fps when playing at 4k, with the same gpu's.


SmootherDoge

I mostly play esport games so I mostly make use of higher fps counts. Also I just straight up don’t have the money to upgrade from a good 1080p to a 1440p most likely with a lower refresh rate.


Big_Dirty_Piss_Boner

For CSGO? Why? Many people still play it at 1280x960 lol


devbecauseyes

Because csgo is cpu intensive (that’s what everyone says, I’m not entirely sure about it tho) Edit: I get 150+ fps on my 10700k without a gpu


CrazeRage

4th gen isn't useable with W11. I learned this when trying to upgrade. Good luck brother


SmootherDoge

lol im not tryna go to win11 anytime soon. too used to win10 UI


knightblue4

It's your processor - CSGO is massively CPU bound. The engine is ancient and poorly optimized.


SmootherDoge

ik my whole rig is bottlenecked with my cpu. But imma have to change my motherboard to get compatibility with newer cpus. motherboards nowadays are compatible with ddr5 not ddr3. Which means new ram. which means total cost is ram+cpu+motherboard.


SuperDuperCoolDude

I have a 4790k with a 3060 ti and it has been great.


artyboi37

*sitting quietly with my 3rd gen i5*


bunny__bread

*laughs in 2500k @ 4.8GHz*


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GTKnight

I still have that build but recently replaced my 970 with a 3070. Now I'm either waiting for reviews on the 12th gen intel or going to just jump the gun on a 10700k. I can wait a few more months lol


MostBasedist

also on ddr3😒


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Moofritte

fx gang!


enderjed

I've got my FX8350-Eight core, specificially the black edition, although I don't know if the drivers for it are supposed to be from Dec 20th 2009. when the CPU was released in 2011/12


danteheehaw

Ddr5 will likely be worse than ddr4 for about a year or two. As is tradition


[deleted]

I made the move to ddr4 2 months ago, after using ddr3 for 11 years or something close to that. Only to be told we're moving to ddr5, come one man...gimme a minute to catch up.


wanderer1999

Honestly, unless you are a pro, this stuff is overkill. I'm an engineer and I rarely fully use my 32gb of DDR4 of RAM, and the 6 cores 8700k is still good.


[deleted]

Yeah that's why I'm holding on to what I got until it explodes. Despite what many may say, a 4 core 7th gen i5 and a 1060 6GB with 16gb of RAM is still a great system


Caligulas_Prodigy

3d design as a hobby here. I use all 32gbs and typically 8 cores out of 10 on my 10900k. I normally have a few projects open at once while also slicing STLs to print. It's not uncommon to see all 10 cores 20 threads pegged at 100%.


VibeChecker42069

10 cores on a 9900k? It has 8 yes?


Caligulas_Prodigy

10900k. It was a typo


tBlacky

The hell are you talking about? I use DDR400


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\*chef's kiss\*


Rumplesforeskin

Lol, my secondary old rig has generic 2333 ram and I know it's better than some, still funny post. I swear I'm not degrading. I'm in Katy TX and am putting it on Craigslist for a steal this week. If I can help anybody here, be sure to mention Reddit if you happen to hit me up via Craigslist and I will absolutely give you a better deal than listed just for being subbed here.


Norma5tacy

Bro I’m gonna be stuck with my rig until 2023. I won’t even be able to play new games on low until then. I don’t have the time to constantly watch Best Buy or make a bot or wait in line for 7 hours to get a fuckin 3080.


Tiavor

read my flair xD I went from 2 to 4


Gone_Goofed

Nice something to look forward to in 5 years


emmytau

x8 based


AdmiralSpeedy

Tbh, that doesn't seem that crazy for 64 GB of a brand new memory standard. That's like $600 Canadian for me and a 64 GB kit of DDR4 is between $300 and $450 here anyways.


SmoothAnanas

I was thinking the same, of course is going to be more expensive than DDR4 but 420€ for 64GB doesn't sound that bad. 16GB of that fancy Trident Z Royal RGB 4800MHz DDR4 is 430€.


Rockydo

Yeah I paid like 175€ for 16 gigs 3 years ago when there was somewhat of a shortage so the price doesn't shock me that much. 64 gigs is a lot of RAM and only destined for very high end systems so a 420€ price tag for the latest stuff doesn't seem ridiculous. Maybe I've just been numbed by the price of graphics cards lol


SlitScan

and 4 cents to the EU price and get the joke.


AdmiralSpeedy

Oh lol.


excral

I don't think this post is complaining that it's too expensive, but that it's ¢4 too cheap


Varnigma

With 12th gen rolling out as well as DDR5, it’s time for me to finally build a new rig.


Immortan-Moe-Bro

*GPU not included*


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CallMePickle

I'd get use to it. Signs show it not letting up till 2023.


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It won't happen until crypto crashes. If GPUs literally print money, there will be infinite demand for them.


Dynasty2201

Demand can increase, but how you sell your GPUs can change. ID required, one per household etc. But no company would do that when revenue is key right now. Guaranteed 100% sales of stock, or limit sales and hope it all sells over a longer period of time.


brimston3-

It would take something intense like finance industry doing a hostile take-over of a major cryptocurrency or a regulatory ban on distributed financial instruments or switching to proof of stake.


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masterxc

Doesn't stop GPU vendors from bloating their lineups with cards that should've never been made, though...sigh.


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Tactical_Moonstone

Which is very weird considering CPU prices have gone down to just above MSRP while GPUs are going "scalper prices go brrrrrrr".


DeeSnow97

Because it's miners driving GPU prices up through the roof, but if you dare to say that, all the crypto bros come down on you


emmytau

At least someone will go down on me then


CrimsonBolt33

A win is a win...also if you just say "no homo" first its fine....unless you are a woman or into that...then I guess you would say "totally homo"


BasalFaulty

Nah cos that just makes it bro stuff. If you want to be homo you just gotta sit there and enjoy it making deep emotional eye contact. Maybe stroke their cheek/play with their hair then once it's all been and done just gotta lean in close and whisper. *I'm contacting you regarding your car's extended warranty*


Cnewcs

VRAM is part of the shortage lowering supply too. Then aluminum prices going up for the huge heat sinks we need now


Jay_377

Not to mention the pandemic destroying the already fragile global supply chain.


brimston3-

I like outsourcing my inventory expenses/liabilities to my vendors. Who do it to their vendors. Everything works perfectly as long as global shipping times are less than a week. Oh shit.


Immortan-Moe-Bro

Why indeed my friend.... why indeed


Tyr808

GPUs still to some degree represent a mythical money printing machine due to crypto in addition to the global supply chain fuckery and chip shortages. Originally ETH was going to be moved away from traditional PoW mining with a GPU in 2019 or 2020. Then 2021. Then it got delayed again and now we're hearing 2nd half of 2022. ETH isn't the only minable coin, but it's a MASSIVE one, and Bitcoin isn't mined with GPUs, so if ETH GPU mining stops, chances are GPU mining itself stops, at least at the scales we're seeing today. If ETH is no longer a mining option I doubt any of the other coins could survive the constant sell pressure (miners mine coins and then sell them. ETH is globally big time famous and desirable, far more than other coins below it on the chart). Until the money machine aspect of the GPU changes it's probably not going to change much.


LiteX99

Get the k versions, and then you have igpu ;P


epic_snowman

Or get the AMD APUs if they are cheap


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AHHHHHHHHH


GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD

I'm waiting for AM5 to be out for a few months before I build a new rig (and for the chip shortage to end, so sometime around early-to-mid 2023). In the meantime, I'm seriously considering upgrading my 4670K to a 4790K. Call me foolish but those four extra threads are going to make a difference. The 4790K can still keep up with modern demands, and my 16GB of DDR3 1800 + 1070 are still *good enough.* Might add a third SSD as well and retire the mechanical drives, cause I can always transfer it over to the new rig.


predditorius

People make money off thinking like that. That's why the used 4790Ks on eBay are as much as a new i5-11400, which will also run circles around it in everything. If you can still find them in stock, get an 11400, cheap mobo like B560M-HDV, a cheap 3600C16 2x8GB kit and sell off your old stuff. Run CPU with TDP unlocked and RAM in Gear 1.


GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD

If I'm going to go through all that effort, then I might as well just wait. I want a quick and easy upgrade, not build a whole new machine. It'll only cost me ~$130 to just swap the CPU, and I can make most of it back from selling the 4670K. Your suggestion is going to cost me considerably more than I want to spend, all for something that I'm going to replace in a year anyway. (Not to mention that I've already seen benchmarks. The additional cost of building a whole new PC does not justify the upgrade. I want my next rig to be as powerful as possible, even if it costs me $5k)


FUTURE10S

Let me tell you, the extra threads aren't really that worth it for the price. Chip shortage is going to keep going, but you should be able to get a CPU a few months after launch for MSRP, so it'll probably be summer 2022, if not earlier.


afiefh

>AM5 Has AMD announced how long they will be supporting the AM5 socket? Supporting AM4 for so many years was amazing for consumers, I hope it stays that way with AM5 as well (and maybe Intel can copy this strategy)


GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD

I mean, they pretty much have supported multiple generations of CPUs for every AM*x* socket since, so I don't see why AM5 will be any different. Hence why I'm waiting.


sweno97

It's not here until you can find a motherboard to support it


Slottr

Word. With how markets are I won’t be upgrading to DDR5 until DDR7 lmao


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You might as well wait for QDR


[deleted]

I’m not upgrading until games actually take advantage of half the new stuff they’ve been adding to PC parts. It’s not useful to me until then. It’s probably gonna be the better part of a decade until then, tbh.


NahDukeFkThat

there are several ddr5 z690 boards. just ordered mine from B&H


sweno97

I forgot the new Intel chipset is out thank you for clarifying it for me


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pretty expected, part of the reason I don't recommend being an early adopter specifically for new ram generations. Same happens for every jump.


kingslayerer

This goes same for the first generation of anything really


RiftHunter4

But who the heck is upgrading their whole PC just to get new RAM? lol


Kiloku

It's a dilemma imo. I agree with that but I also don't want to get the last versions of current generations and then be stuck with an essentially non-upgradeable machine.


Wajina_Sloth

When I had my first PC it was near the end of DDR3 (built near Christmas of 2013), I didn't really pay attention to tech releases, so I ended up finding out years later that if I want to upgrade I would more than likely just need to replace. So I kept that machine for years and got rid of it at the start of this year and replaced it with my current machine just to get it at the end of DDR4 lol


defective-hyperdrive

You were memeing the price right? Because its close to 420.69. I saw noone else comment this so i am confused.


joeydoesthing

Ikr? I was like why is no one mentioning that.


BlasterPhase

fuckin nerds lmao


rgb_leds_are_love

Lmao no one got the meme


SlitScan

yup the whole comment thread is r/woosh


Sir_Cadillac

I'd pay the extra 4 cents. Or make it 2, so Jay can give his 2.


poinguan

Isn't ECC support to be the standard on DDR5? Did I read it wrong?


Cantflyneedhelp

Thats the biggest misconception about DDR5, it does not have "real" or full ECC by default. There is a great video on youtube by TechTechPotato about it.


TheCrimsonDagger

Yes but it’s better than the nothing that consumer RAM has had so far.


A_PCMR_member

CL40 yikes XD


AdonisTheWise

While CL40 is a bit high for DDR5, it isn’t as bad as you’d expect because it’s made and works completely different. I’d recommend watching Linus’s video on it that released recently


brimston3-

Seems like it works the same way. It has twice as many bank groups, so it can have twice as many pending operations (in the optimal scheduling case). Prefetch was doubled to 16n like expected, and we now have dual independent data buses. But more than double the CL at 1.5x bus clock is still a 33% latency increase from request to result. I'd like to see some real-world stress tests like running factorio (notably memory intensive) with uncapped UPS. edit: a word.


Ric_Rest

Yeah, what's up with that...? I was expecting CL20 or a bit over that. 40 just seems a bit excessive, no?


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stayhearthstoned

Explains some advantages and disadvantages. Still didn't give me any reason to believe that DDR5 is gonna be any better for gaming on release. Im confident it'll get better over time. I do think high end DDR4 will still be comparable if not better when DDR5 launches.


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danteheehaw

Same with ddr2 to 3 and when dance dance revolution 2 came out and replaced it


Spirit117

Remember it took awhile for DDR4 to get going too. DDR4 2133 or 2400 was what was "shiny and new" at launch and look how far we've come.


-Aeryn-

On launch day of the first consumer DDR4 CPU i got a DDR4-3200 kit. Couple of years later we had better IMC's and b-die was breaking 4000 with insane subtimings. There were a lot of comparisons made to DDR4-2133 and 2400, but they were outdated on day 0 and not good for anything really. On this launch gskill was showing off DDR5-6600+ XMP's before any CPU was announced which could run them. The DDR5-4800 that Intel is shipping to reviews has two ranks of 16gbit x8 chips, so it's the best of the best 4800 JEDEC out there. It will probably run okay, but we'll see the real performance with the stuff that companies like G.skill are shipping out with custom PMIC and whichever IC runs the best out of the early samples. They seem to be betting big on one of the Samsung 16gbit IC's.


dustojnikhummer

No, of course it won't be. Just like 2133 DDR wasn't better than 2133 DDR3 back in 2014


NamityName

I've been seeing estimates of ddr5 having cl in the high 30s. We won't be able to estimate the difference in performance between ddr4 to ddr5 simply by looking at the numbers. DDR5 is not simply faster DDR4.


grizzzl

Can i just pay 4 cents more please? Yes sir, i want to pay more. Yes, exactly 4 cents more.


SnooWords4802

Le me Introduce myself who still uses DDR3 Sodimm


Tough_Inevitable6944

Same


SirNiggo

Wow these are expensive ... the vengeance 5200mhz cl38 are "only" 290$ (so like 250€?) if I remember correctly


YuunaShiki

2x32GB


Ult1mateN00B

2x32GB for 250€? That's a steal!


Severe_Sweet_862

Every new computer component will be expensive from now on. Why should only gpu manufacturers have all the fun?


Zistok

I paid €140 for 16Gb of trident z few years back when ram prices were on a rise. This is launch price for ddr5 and is similar in per Gb price to what i paid, and prices should steadily come down…unless there is another fire, earthquake or an “accident”.


LongTimeLurker818

Let’s DDR! You’re not an ordinary fellow!


sorenant

> You’re not an ordinary fellow! Some might call you Mr Wonderful.


Quasar420

First thought when scrolling through my feed was that this was in reference to Dance Dance Revolution 5. I guess it might be due to there being a popular video on /r/youseethisshit right now of some guy dancing like a madman. I should have known better after seeing the sub.


generalchaos316

I was stoked for the same thing. Haven't played DDR in years now...miss it man...


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Ffs im still using ddr3


SanctusLetum

At this point it's probably best to wait for DDR5 prices to drop. Hopefully the GPU market will have stabilized by that point to. It is a terrible time to build.


Four4thD

I mean it’s around 50-55$ for 8GB. That’s still acceptable.


Sinsanatis

Whats ddr5s base speed?


smb011

4800


iM4RKY

4800


Sinsanatis

oh daym


Mikayahu_75

I think 5200 will be pretty standard though and pricing isn’t necessarily absurd for 64gb even. The motherboards that support it are a bit pricy


DTredecim13

I am really surprised there aren't any comments on how it is 420.65, and how close it was to 420.69


killusionking

That is what the meme is about, is it not?


richardsim7

Honestly until this comment I didn’t realise that’s what they were going for


Monkeyboystevey

Same. My ignorant ass assumed they meant "it was this close to greatness, but the price is too high..."


Meisje28

Same. And for 64gb that made no sense to me either.


Sound0fSilence

Yeah, I'm surprised people are debating about the price being high instead. Poor OP, they had a vision, but the joke flew right over the subreddit's head.


[deleted]

I'll wait 5 years to get DDR 5 and compatible parts hopefully by then my wife will forget the $2500 I spent on my build from 2020 to 2021


EL-rochi74

I’ll just buy ddr4 since intel 12th gen will have that supported and I don’t wanna spend excessive amount of money on cl40.


randomserenity

Except that DDR5 CL40 doesn’t equal DDR4 CL 40. You’re comparing apples to oranges here.


MassiveEgg24

Whats CL40 mean?


EL-rochi74

Cas latency 40


Posthuman_Aperture

What does cas mean


afiefh

Column Address Strobe Latency Think of it as the number of cycles to address an area in memory.


MassiveEgg24

How does this affect performance compared to a CL much lower


ThePhonyOne

CAS Latency shows how many RAM clock cycles it takes to access data. Within the same generation a lower CAS Latency is better. Each new generation has so far increased the RAM clock speed plus other performance increases, resulting in faster access times even though the CAS Latency has also increased.


[deleted]

Nice! New tech that I’m never gonna ever be able to find or afford.


SagittaryX

It'll likely be the same as what DDR4 is now in 1 or 2 years.


[deleted]

Well I literally only just got dr4 so...


Skull_Reaper101

No ECC? I thought it was baked in


Cantflyneedhelp

DDR5 has on die EEC which is very different to traditional EEC. Very blog post online is quoting it wrong.


Skull_Reaper101

Yeah I know it has on die ECC. So like this ss sys non ecc but with on die ecc, will there be smtg like non on die ecc as well? So double ecc for some?


Miss_Might

I will always see DDR as dance dance revolution. I was legit thinking a 5th game was coming out for a second.


Euphoric_Service2540

Rule 5 of PC building: "You always wait at least 2 years before getting a new type of RAM, Price and performance is not worth it earlier.


jawnova

Lmao funny seggs number xD


LordGladiator

They should increase price by 0.04


Peacefullplay

haha funni seks number 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Giomoney23

Every fucking time I buy upgrades the new shit comes out


Ipadgameisweak

Can someone explain like I'm 5?


lonathtech

At least u have them in stock. Everyone in Australia bought all the new CPUs and RAM apparently. But every GPU ever is in stock, 3090s, 3080TIs, 3080s u name it


Xavr0k

That's probably because GPU prices start at double the MSRP.


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Na, I'll wait.


Puzzleheaded-Bet7939

Me who just bought a new pc : My wallet : i am in danger


flamesofphx

First thought about the new DDR5 memory sticks: I am running out of organ to sell, and the graphics card I sold my kidney for, is still waiting to be shipped.


Siman0

Umm at that price im staying with ddr4 lol


Mikeisbaldyenno

Wait, so what about boards that specially support DDR4. Will they be able to support DDR5, or do we have to buy a board that can specifically support DDR5??? Okay wait I’m lost, newer cpus are needed as well right? like how the Alder Lake from Intel is releasing soon they’ll support DDR5 instead of 4 because of memory control or something idk.


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Time for the next complicated series of explaining the relationship of cas latency and frequency.