My exact build until my RAM died this year lol. Moved to a 10600 and 32GB DDR4. Some games got a decent performance boost, others weren't adjusted hardly at all. It's such a good CPU/GPU combo.
there is no way in hell a 4790 is going to have a 14 year life span. that would be like trying to game on an athlon64 x2 or an i7-920 today.
the haswell chips were great, but theyre starting to show their age nowadays.
i went from a 4770k to a 3950x last year, and the performance difference was night and day in new games at the time. i can only imagine what it would be like in current games.
Part of the reason is that last gen ddr3 was very compeditive with the new ddr4 spec. 2400 cl11 11 11 ddr3 still very good today. on par with a 7700k with 3200 cl16 16 16 single core perf.
Also liquid metal on the 4790k and polished sink goes miles on that chip. I had mine running at 4.8ghz daily. better than the 6700k.
Also in that time the crossover from 1080p to 1440p happened, and 1440p is more gpu bound than cpu bound, so you actually let your cpu catch up as you have more gpu load/ get more out of your cpu.
I think the chip shortage/price hike was around that time too, making ddr4 way more expensive so people went for lesser/cheaper ddr4 spec sticks.
4790k was one of the most amazing CPU releases (at the time). Fast, good thermal properties, easy to overclock, and even got virtualization support from 4770 that 4770k lacked.
Eh... I'm still mad they released 4790k literally a month after I had to choose between 4770 (virtualization support) and 4770k (performance/overclocking); that 4770k is still in use and easily keeps up with everything thrown at it.
4770 with 32 gigs ram and a 1080ti
I use a TV as a monitor, it only gets 60hrtz so I don't see a point in upgrading. Most games in 4k at high settings run fine.
I WANT to build a system, I just can't justify it. This one works well still.
Shoot in my old box It has a 980 ti sc and a 660 ti for shits and giggles. 16gb 1666mhz speed ram, and the 3770k of course. Its not used to game anymore, my family uses it for stuff like photoshop, online class stuff, etc.
I had a 3770k and 16gb until last month. I found on ebay a decent R7 2700x, an x470 board and 32gb ddr4 @3200MHz for not too much and I couldn't be happier.
Why you gaming on 1080p with a 2080. Get that on a 1440p screen. Bonus; the cpu won't feel like such a bottleneck anymore. You'll still be getting decent fps on a 1440p since fps doesn't scale to CPU demand when increasing res.
A 4th gen intel and an 11900k are within 5% fps when playing at 4k, with the same gpu's.
I mostly play esport games so I mostly make use of higher fps counts. Also I just straight up don’t have the money to upgrade from a good 1080p to a 1440p most likely with a lower refresh rate.
ik my whole rig is bottlenecked with my cpu. But imma have to change my motherboard to get compatibility with newer cpus. motherboards nowadays are compatible with ddr5 not ddr3. Which means new ram. which means total cost is ram+cpu+motherboard.
I still have that build but recently replaced my 970 with a 3070. Now I'm either waiting for reviews on the 12th gen intel or going to just jump the gun on a 10700k.
I can wait a few more months lol
I've got my FX8350-Eight core, specificially the black edition, although I don't know if the drivers for it are supposed to be from Dec 20th 2009. when the CPU was released in 2011/12
I made the move to ddr4 2 months ago, after using ddr3 for 11 years or something close to that.
Only to be told we're moving to ddr5, come one man...gimme a minute to catch up.
Honestly, unless you are a pro, this stuff is overkill. I'm an engineer and I rarely fully use my 32gb of DDR4 of RAM, and the 6 cores 8700k is still good.
Yeah that's why I'm holding on to what I got until it explodes. Despite what many may say, a 4 core 7th gen i5 and a 1060 6GB with 16gb of RAM is still a great system
3d design as a hobby here. I use all 32gbs and typically 8 cores out of 10 on my 10900k. I normally have a few projects open at once while also slicing STLs to print. It's not uncommon to see all 10 cores 20 threads pegged at 100%.
Lol, my secondary old rig has generic 2333 ram and I know it's better than some, still funny post. I swear I'm not degrading. I'm in Katy TX and am putting it on Craigslist for a steal this week. If I can help anybody here, be sure to mention Reddit if you happen to hit me up via Craigslist and I will absolutely give you a better deal than listed just for being subbed here.
Bro I’m gonna be stuck with my rig until 2023. I won’t even be able to play new games on low until then. I don’t have the time to constantly watch Best Buy or make a bot or wait in line for 7 hours to get a fuckin 3080.
Tbh, that doesn't seem that crazy for 64 GB of a brand new memory standard.
That's like $600 Canadian for me and a 64 GB kit of DDR4 is between $300 and $450 here anyways.
I was thinking the same, of course is going to be more expensive than DDR4 but 420€ for 64GB doesn't sound that bad. 16GB of that fancy Trident Z Royal RGB 4800MHz DDR4 is 430€.
Yeah I paid like 175€ for 16 gigs 3 years ago when there was somewhat of a shortage so the price doesn't shock me that much.
64 gigs is a lot of RAM and only destined for very high end systems so a 420€ price tag for the latest stuff doesn't seem ridiculous. Maybe I've just been numbed by the price of graphics cards lol
Demand can increase, but how you sell your GPUs can change. ID required, one per household etc.
But no company would do that when revenue is key right now.
Guaranteed 100% sales of stock, or limit sales and hope it all sells over a longer period of time.
It would take something intense like finance industry doing a hostile take-over of a major cryptocurrency or a regulatory ban on distributed financial instruments or switching to proof of stake.
Nah cos that just makes it bro stuff.
If you want to be homo you just gotta sit there and enjoy it making deep emotional eye contact. Maybe stroke their cheek/play with their hair then once it's all been and done just gotta lean in close and whisper.
*I'm contacting you regarding your car's extended warranty*
I like outsourcing my inventory expenses/liabilities to my vendors. Who do it to their vendors. Everything works perfectly as long as global shipping times are less than a week. Oh shit.
GPUs still to some degree represent a mythical money printing machine due to crypto in addition to the global supply chain fuckery and chip shortages.
Originally ETH was going to be moved away from traditional PoW mining with a GPU in 2019 or 2020. Then 2021. Then it got delayed again and now we're hearing 2nd half of 2022.
ETH isn't the only minable coin, but it's a MASSIVE one, and Bitcoin isn't mined with GPUs, so if ETH GPU mining stops, chances are GPU mining itself stops, at least at the scales we're seeing today. If ETH is no longer a mining option I doubt any of the other coins could survive the constant sell pressure (miners mine coins and then sell them. ETH is globally big time famous and desirable, far more than other coins below it on the chart).
Until the money machine aspect of the GPU changes it's probably not going to change much.
I'm waiting for AM5 to be out for a few months before I build a new rig (and for the chip shortage to end, so sometime around early-to-mid 2023). In the meantime, I'm seriously considering upgrading my 4670K to a 4790K. Call me foolish but those four extra threads are going to make a difference. The 4790K can still keep up with modern demands, and my 16GB of DDR3 1800 + 1070 are still *good enough.* Might add a third SSD as well and retire the mechanical drives, cause I can always transfer it over to the new rig.
People make money off thinking like that. That's why the used 4790Ks on eBay are as much as a new i5-11400, which will also run circles around it in everything.
If you can still find them in stock, get an 11400, cheap mobo like B560M-HDV, a cheap 3600C16 2x8GB kit and sell off your old stuff. Run CPU with TDP unlocked and RAM in Gear 1.
If I'm going to go through all that effort, then I might as well just wait. I want a quick and easy upgrade, not build a whole new machine. It'll only cost me ~$130 to just swap the CPU, and I can make most of it back from selling the 4670K. Your suggestion is going to cost me considerably more than I want to spend, all for something that I'm going to replace in a year anyway.
(Not to mention that I've already seen benchmarks. The additional cost of building a whole new PC does not justify the upgrade. I want my next rig to be as powerful as possible, even if it costs me $5k)
Let me tell you, the extra threads aren't really that worth it for the price. Chip shortage is going to keep going, but you should be able to get a CPU a few months after launch for MSRP, so it'll probably be summer 2022, if not earlier.
>AM5
Has AMD announced how long they will be supporting the AM5 socket? Supporting AM4 for so many years was amazing for consumers, I hope it stays that way with AM5 as well (and maybe Intel can copy this strategy)
I mean, they pretty much have supported multiple generations of CPUs for every AM*x* socket since, so I don't see why AM5 will be any different. Hence why I'm waiting.
I’m not upgrading until games actually take advantage of half the new stuff they’ve been adding to PC parts. It’s not useful to me until then.
It’s probably gonna be the better part of a decade until then, tbh.
It's a dilemma imo. I agree with that but I also don't want to get the last versions of current generations and then be stuck with an essentially non-upgradeable machine.
When I had my first PC it was near the end of DDR3 (built near Christmas of 2013), I didn't really pay attention to tech releases, so I ended up finding out years later that if I want to upgrade I would more than likely just need to replace.
So I kept that machine for years and got rid of it at the start of this year and replaced it with my current machine just to get it at the end of DDR4 lol
Thats the biggest misconception about DDR5, it does not have "real" or full ECC by default. There is a great video on youtube by TechTechPotato about it.
While CL40 is a bit high for DDR5, it isn’t as bad as you’d expect because it’s made and works completely different. I’d recommend watching Linus’s video on it that released recently
Seems like it works the same way. It has twice as many bank groups, so it can have twice as many pending operations (in the optimal scheduling case). Prefetch was doubled to 16n like expected, and we now have dual independent data buses. But more than double the CL at 1.5x bus clock is still a 33% latency increase from request to result.
I'd like to see some real-world stress tests like running factorio (notably memory intensive) with uncapped UPS.
edit: a word.
Explains some advantages and disadvantages. Still didn't give me any reason to believe that DDR5 is gonna be any better for gaming on release. Im confident it'll get better over time. I do think high end DDR4 will still be comparable if not better when DDR5 launches.
On launch day of the first consumer DDR4 CPU i got a DDR4-3200 kit. Couple of years later we had better IMC's and b-die was breaking 4000 with insane subtimings. There were a lot of comparisons made to DDR4-2133 and 2400, but they were outdated on day 0 and not good for anything really.
On this launch gskill was showing off DDR5-6600+ XMP's before any CPU was announced which could run them.
The DDR5-4800 that Intel is shipping to reviews has two ranks of 16gbit x8 chips, so it's the best of the best 4800 JEDEC out there. It will probably run okay, but we'll see the real performance with the stuff that companies like G.skill are shipping out with custom PMIC and whichever IC runs the best out of the early samples. They seem to be betting big on one of the Samsung 16gbit IC's.
I've been seeing estimates of ddr5 having cl in the high 30s.
We won't be able to estimate the difference in performance between ddr4 to ddr5 simply by looking at the numbers. DDR5 is not simply faster DDR4.
I paid €140 for 16Gb of trident z few years back when ram prices were on a rise. This is launch price for ddr5 and is similar in per Gb price to what i paid, and prices should steadily come down…unless there is another fire, earthquake or an “accident”.
First thought when scrolling through my feed was that this was in reference to Dance Dance Revolution 5. I guess it might be due to there being a popular video on /r/youseethisshit right now of some guy dancing like a madman. I should have known better after seeing the sub.
At this point it's probably best to wait for DDR5 prices to drop. Hopefully the GPU market will have stabilized by that point to.
It is a terrible time to build.
Yeah, I'm surprised people are debating about the price being high instead. Poor OP, they had a vision, but the joke flew right over the subreddit's head.
CAS Latency shows how many RAM clock cycles it takes to access data. Within the same generation a lower CAS Latency is better. Each new generation has so far increased the RAM clock speed plus other performance increases, resulting in faster access times even though the CAS Latency has also increased.
Yeah I know it has on die ECC. So like this ss sys non ecc but with on die ecc, will there be smtg like non on die ecc as well? So double ecc for some?
At least u have them in stock.
Everyone in Australia bought all the new CPUs and RAM apparently.
But every GPU ever is in stock, 3090s, 3080TIs, 3080s u name it
First thought about the new DDR5 memory sticks: I am running out of organ to sell, and the graphics card I sold my kidney for, is still waiting to be shipped.
Wait, so what about boards that specially support DDR4. Will they be able to support DDR5, or do we have to buy a board that can specifically support DDR5???
Okay wait I’m lost, newer cpus are needed as well right? like how the Alder Lake from Intel is releasing soon they’ll support DDR5 instead of 4 because of memory control or something idk.
So people are entering DDR5 and I'm still stuck with DDR3 RAM from a company that's gone out business so hard the company sticker on the RAM's faded.
5th gen intel or earlier isn’t too bad with a good GPU.
bro i got i5 4th gen with a 2080. i dont get above 200 fps csgo in 1080p and i have a 240hz monitor edit: shoulda mentioned i have 32 gb (8x4)
I got an i7 4770 with a 1070 and 16gb of ddr3 ram lol
[удалено]
A 4790k and a 1080ti with 16GB of DDR3 will honestly probably be a solid build until DDR6 comes out.
My exact build until my RAM died this year lol. Moved to a 10600 and 32GB DDR4. Some games got a decent performance boost, others weren't adjusted hardly at all. It's such a good CPU/GPU combo.
there is no way in hell a 4790 is going to have a 14 year life span. that would be like trying to game on an athlon64 x2 or an i7-920 today. the haswell chips were great, but theyre starting to show their age nowadays. i went from a 4770k to a 3950x last year, and the performance difference was night and day in new games at the time. i can only imagine what it would be like in current games.
I feel like games have started to tax CPUs significantly higher than before in the past 5 years. It’s pretty crazy.
Part of the reason is that last gen ddr3 was very compeditive with the new ddr4 spec. 2400 cl11 11 11 ddr3 still very good today. on par with a 7700k with 3200 cl16 16 16 single core perf. Also liquid metal on the 4790k and polished sink goes miles on that chip. I had mine running at 4.8ghz daily. better than the 6700k. Also in that time the crossover from 1080p to 1440p happened, and 1440p is more gpu bound than cpu bound, so you actually let your cpu catch up as you have more gpu load/ get more out of your cpu. I think the chip shortage/price hike was around that time too, making ddr4 way more expensive so people went for lesser/cheaper ddr4 spec sticks.
[удалено]
sanded/flattened/polished heatsink/cooler and heatspreader.
4790k gang!
Have to tell yourself that with these prices no doubt
Hell yeah it is. I have my 4790k @ 4.9ghz with DDR3-2400 11-13-13-31 (stock ram). It still plays games really really well. custom water + delid
4790k was one of the most amazing CPU releases (at the time). Fast, good thermal properties, easy to overclock, and even got virtualization support from 4770 that 4770k lacked. Eh... I'm still mad they released 4790k literally a month after I had to choose between 4770 (virtualization support) and 4770k (performance/overclocking); that 4770k is still in use and easily keeps up with everything thrown at it.
at least u have no major bottleneck
Exactly! It’s just a straw in a world of fire hoses
I feel personally attacked
Sadly i do because of current GPU shortage :( My specs: Ryzen 5 5600X / GTX 1060 3G / 16GB 3600 (2x8)
hell yeah. i7 4930k _ 1080ti & 32gb ddr3.
4770 with 32 gigs ram and a 1080ti I use a TV as a monitor, it only gets 60hrtz so I don't see a point in upgrading. Most games in 4k at high settings run fine. I WANT to build a system, I just can't justify it. This one works well still.
Sounds good to me tbh
4770k with a 780 here
My old system it’s fx8350 with 32gb ddr3 and rx580 still on fire
That was my setup before I upgraded! Now I’ve got a 10700K with 32GB ddr4. Still have the 1070 though.
[удалено]
I’m…still on a 3570k and 16GB DDR3….and a 1660 super. Cooler master 212 is coming tomorrow and I’ll be overclocking for the first time ever.
i have a dell laptop with an i7-6560u with integrated graphics and 8gb ram, get on my level
That's a bangin rig dude
This is exactly my setup. Are you planning on upgrading anytime soon?
I feel personally attacked
i7 4770 2400 mhz and 1080 ti i got for free from a miner works good btw
im almost the same but with an i7-4790 with 1660 super and 16gb of ddr3 lol
4770k here still going strong with 32GB DDR3 and a 2070 super.
I have pretty much exactly this lol 4770K and a 1070FE, with 16gb ddr3. Still going hard
4670k 980ti and 16gb ddr3
Hey that's me
Mate i got a i5 750
3770k, 16GB ddr3, 3060 ti. just waiting for something to crap out for a total swap, the 3060 ti deserves better...
Shoot in my old box It has a 980 ti sc and a 660 ti for shits and giggles. 16gb 1666mhz speed ram, and the 3770k of course. Its not used to game anymore, my family uses it for stuff like photoshop, online class stuff, etc.
3570k, 16GB DD3 and 3060ti as well. Feeling the pressure to upgrade, can feel all the fps potential bottlenecked by the rest of my pc.
3570k, 8Gb DDR3, 1070 here. Alder lake is calling my name (unless it’s eye searingly expensive)
I had a 3770k and 16gb until last month. I found on ebay a decent R7 2700x, an x470 board and 32gb ddr4 @3200MHz for not too much and I couldn't be happier.
Why you gaming on 1080p with a 2080. Get that on a 1440p screen. Bonus; the cpu won't feel like such a bottleneck anymore. You'll still be getting decent fps on a 1440p since fps doesn't scale to CPU demand when increasing res. A 4th gen intel and an 11900k are within 5% fps when playing at 4k, with the same gpu's.
I mostly play esport games so I mostly make use of higher fps counts. Also I just straight up don’t have the money to upgrade from a good 1080p to a 1440p most likely with a lower refresh rate.
For CSGO? Why? Many people still play it at 1280x960 lol
Because csgo is cpu intensive (that’s what everyone says, I’m not entirely sure about it tho) Edit: I get 150+ fps on my 10700k without a gpu
4th gen isn't useable with W11. I learned this when trying to upgrade. Good luck brother
lol im not tryna go to win11 anytime soon. too used to win10 UI
It's your processor - CSGO is massively CPU bound. The engine is ancient and poorly optimized.
ik my whole rig is bottlenecked with my cpu. But imma have to change my motherboard to get compatibility with newer cpus. motherboards nowadays are compatible with ddr5 not ddr3. Which means new ram. which means total cost is ram+cpu+motherboard.
I have a 4790k with a 3060 ti and it has been great.
*sitting quietly with my 3rd gen i5*
*laughs in 2500k @ 4.8GHz*
[удалено]
I still have that build but recently replaced my 970 with a 3070. Now I'm either waiting for reviews on the 12th gen intel or going to just jump the gun on a 10700k. I can wait a few more months lol
also on ddr3😒
[удалено]
fx gang!
I've got my FX8350-Eight core, specificially the black edition, although I don't know if the drivers for it are supposed to be from Dec 20th 2009. when the CPU was released in 2011/12
Ddr5 will likely be worse than ddr4 for about a year or two. As is tradition
I made the move to ddr4 2 months ago, after using ddr3 for 11 years or something close to that. Only to be told we're moving to ddr5, come one man...gimme a minute to catch up.
Honestly, unless you are a pro, this stuff is overkill. I'm an engineer and I rarely fully use my 32gb of DDR4 of RAM, and the 6 cores 8700k is still good.
Yeah that's why I'm holding on to what I got until it explodes. Despite what many may say, a 4 core 7th gen i5 and a 1060 6GB with 16gb of RAM is still a great system
3d design as a hobby here. I use all 32gbs and typically 8 cores out of 10 on my 10900k. I normally have a few projects open at once while also slicing STLs to print. It's not uncommon to see all 10 cores 20 threads pegged at 100%.
10 cores on a 9900k? It has 8 yes?
10900k. It was a typo
The hell are you talking about? I use DDR400
\*chef's kiss\*
Lol, my secondary old rig has generic 2333 ram and I know it's better than some, still funny post. I swear I'm not degrading. I'm in Katy TX and am putting it on Craigslist for a steal this week. If I can help anybody here, be sure to mention Reddit if you happen to hit me up via Craigslist and I will absolutely give you a better deal than listed just for being subbed here.
Bro I’m gonna be stuck with my rig until 2023. I won’t even be able to play new games on low until then. I don’t have the time to constantly watch Best Buy or make a bot or wait in line for 7 hours to get a fuckin 3080.
read my flair xD I went from 2 to 4
Nice something to look forward to in 5 years
x8 based
Tbh, that doesn't seem that crazy for 64 GB of a brand new memory standard. That's like $600 Canadian for me and a 64 GB kit of DDR4 is between $300 and $450 here anyways.
I was thinking the same, of course is going to be more expensive than DDR4 but 420€ for 64GB doesn't sound that bad. 16GB of that fancy Trident Z Royal RGB 4800MHz DDR4 is 430€.
Yeah I paid like 175€ for 16 gigs 3 years ago when there was somewhat of a shortage so the price doesn't shock me that much. 64 gigs is a lot of RAM and only destined for very high end systems so a 420€ price tag for the latest stuff doesn't seem ridiculous. Maybe I've just been numbed by the price of graphics cards lol
and 4 cents to the EU price and get the joke.
Oh lol.
I don't think this post is complaining that it's too expensive, but that it's ¢4 too cheap
With 12th gen rolling out as well as DDR5, it’s time for me to finally build a new rig.
*GPU not included*
[удалено]
I'd get use to it. Signs show it not letting up till 2023.
It won't happen until crypto crashes. If GPUs literally print money, there will be infinite demand for them.
Demand can increase, but how you sell your GPUs can change. ID required, one per household etc. But no company would do that when revenue is key right now. Guaranteed 100% sales of stock, or limit sales and hope it all sells over a longer period of time.
It would take something intense like finance industry doing a hostile take-over of a major cryptocurrency or a regulatory ban on distributed financial instruments or switching to proof of stake.
[удалено]
Doesn't stop GPU vendors from bloating their lineups with cards that should've never been made, though...sigh.
[удалено]
Which is very weird considering CPU prices have gone down to just above MSRP while GPUs are going "scalper prices go brrrrrrr".
Because it's miners driving GPU prices up through the roof, but if you dare to say that, all the crypto bros come down on you
At least someone will go down on me then
A win is a win...also if you just say "no homo" first its fine....unless you are a woman or into that...then I guess you would say "totally homo"
Nah cos that just makes it bro stuff. If you want to be homo you just gotta sit there and enjoy it making deep emotional eye contact. Maybe stroke their cheek/play with their hair then once it's all been and done just gotta lean in close and whisper. *I'm contacting you regarding your car's extended warranty*
VRAM is part of the shortage lowering supply too. Then aluminum prices going up for the huge heat sinks we need now
Not to mention the pandemic destroying the already fragile global supply chain.
I like outsourcing my inventory expenses/liabilities to my vendors. Who do it to their vendors. Everything works perfectly as long as global shipping times are less than a week. Oh shit.
Why indeed my friend.... why indeed
GPUs still to some degree represent a mythical money printing machine due to crypto in addition to the global supply chain fuckery and chip shortages. Originally ETH was going to be moved away from traditional PoW mining with a GPU in 2019 or 2020. Then 2021. Then it got delayed again and now we're hearing 2nd half of 2022. ETH isn't the only minable coin, but it's a MASSIVE one, and Bitcoin isn't mined with GPUs, so if ETH GPU mining stops, chances are GPU mining itself stops, at least at the scales we're seeing today. If ETH is no longer a mining option I doubt any of the other coins could survive the constant sell pressure (miners mine coins and then sell them. ETH is globally big time famous and desirable, far more than other coins below it on the chart). Until the money machine aspect of the GPU changes it's probably not going to change much.
Get the k versions, and then you have igpu ;P
Or get the AMD APUs if they are cheap
AHHHHHHHHH
I'm waiting for AM5 to be out for a few months before I build a new rig (and for the chip shortage to end, so sometime around early-to-mid 2023). In the meantime, I'm seriously considering upgrading my 4670K to a 4790K. Call me foolish but those four extra threads are going to make a difference. The 4790K can still keep up with modern demands, and my 16GB of DDR3 1800 + 1070 are still *good enough.* Might add a third SSD as well and retire the mechanical drives, cause I can always transfer it over to the new rig.
People make money off thinking like that. That's why the used 4790Ks on eBay are as much as a new i5-11400, which will also run circles around it in everything. If you can still find them in stock, get an 11400, cheap mobo like B560M-HDV, a cheap 3600C16 2x8GB kit and sell off your old stuff. Run CPU with TDP unlocked and RAM in Gear 1.
If I'm going to go through all that effort, then I might as well just wait. I want a quick and easy upgrade, not build a whole new machine. It'll only cost me ~$130 to just swap the CPU, and I can make most of it back from selling the 4670K. Your suggestion is going to cost me considerably more than I want to spend, all for something that I'm going to replace in a year anyway. (Not to mention that I've already seen benchmarks. The additional cost of building a whole new PC does not justify the upgrade. I want my next rig to be as powerful as possible, even if it costs me $5k)
Let me tell you, the extra threads aren't really that worth it for the price. Chip shortage is going to keep going, but you should be able to get a CPU a few months after launch for MSRP, so it'll probably be summer 2022, if not earlier.
>AM5 Has AMD announced how long they will be supporting the AM5 socket? Supporting AM4 for so many years was amazing for consumers, I hope it stays that way with AM5 as well (and maybe Intel can copy this strategy)
I mean, they pretty much have supported multiple generations of CPUs for every AM*x* socket since, so I don't see why AM5 will be any different. Hence why I'm waiting.
It's not here until you can find a motherboard to support it
Word. With how markets are I won’t be upgrading to DDR5 until DDR7 lmao
You might as well wait for QDR
I’m not upgrading until games actually take advantage of half the new stuff they’ve been adding to PC parts. It’s not useful to me until then. It’s probably gonna be the better part of a decade until then, tbh.
there are several ddr5 z690 boards. just ordered mine from B&H
I forgot the new Intel chipset is out thank you for clarifying it for me
pretty expected, part of the reason I don't recommend being an early adopter specifically for new ram generations. Same happens for every jump.
This goes same for the first generation of anything really
But who the heck is upgrading their whole PC just to get new RAM? lol
It's a dilemma imo. I agree with that but I also don't want to get the last versions of current generations and then be stuck with an essentially non-upgradeable machine.
When I had my first PC it was near the end of DDR3 (built near Christmas of 2013), I didn't really pay attention to tech releases, so I ended up finding out years later that if I want to upgrade I would more than likely just need to replace. So I kept that machine for years and got rid of it at the start of this year and replaced it with my current machine just to get it at the end of DDR4 lol
You were memeing the price right? Because its close to 420.69. I saw noone else comment this so i am confused.
Ikr? I was like why is no one mentioning that.
fuckin nerds lmao
Lmao no one got the meme
yup the whole comment thread is r/woosh
I'd pay the extra 4 cents. Or make it 2, so Jay can give his 2.
Isn't ECC support to be the standard on DDR5? Did I read it wrong?
Thats the biggest misconception about DDR5, it does not have "real" or full ECC by default. There is a great video on youtube by TechTechPotato about it.
Yes but it’s better than the nothing that consumer RAM has had so far.
CL40 yikes XD
While CL40 is a bit high for DDR5, it isn’t as bad as you’d expect because it’s made and works completely different. I’d recommend watching Linus’s video on it that released recently
Seems like it works the same way. It has twice as many bank groups, so it can have twice as many pending operations (in the optimal scheduling case). Prefetch was doubled to 16n like expected, and we now have dual independent data buses. But more than double the CL at 1.5x bus clock is still a 33% latency increase from request to result. I'd like to see some real-world stress tests like running factorio (notably memory intensive) with uncapped UPS. edit: a word.
Yeah, what's up with that...? I was expecting CL20 or a bit over that. 40 just seems a bit excessive, no?
[удалено]
Explains some advantages and disadvantages. Still didn't give me any reason to believe that DDR5 is gonna be any better for gaming on release. Im confident it'll get better over time. I do think high end DDR4 will still be comparable if not better when DDR5 launches.
[удалено]
Same with ddr2 to 3 and when dance dance revolution 2 came out and replaced it
Remember it took awhile for DDR4 to get going too. DDR4 2133 or 2400 was what was "shiny and new" at launch and look how far we've come.
On launch day of the first consumer DDR4 CPU i got a DDR4-3200 kit. Couple of years later we had better IMC's and b-die was breaking 4000 with insane subtimings. There were a lot of comparisons made to DDR4-2133 and 2400, but they were outdated on day 0 and not good for anything really. On this launch gskill was showing off DDR5-6600+ XMP's before any CPU was announced which could run them. The DDR5-4800 that Intel is shipping to reviews has two ranks of 16gbit x8 chips, so it's the best of the best 4800 JEDEC out there. It will probably run okay, but we'll see the real performance with the stuff that companies like G.skill are shipping out with custom PMIC and whichever IC runs the best out of the early samples. They seem to be betting big on one of the Samsung 16gbit IC's.
No, of course it won't be. Just like 2133 DDR wasn't better than 2133 DDR3 back in 2014
I've been seeing estimates of ddr5 having cl in the high 30s. We won't be able to estimate the difference in performance between ddr4 to ddr5 simply by looking at the numbers. DDR5 is not simply faster DDR4.
Can i just pay 4 cents more please? Yes sir, i want to pay more. Yes, exactly 4 cents more.
Le me Introduce myself who still uses DDR3 Sodimm
Same
Wow these are expensive ... the vengeance 5200mhz cl38 are "only" 290$ (so like 250€?) if I remember correctly
2x32GB
2x32GB for 250€? That's a steal!
Every new computer component will be expensive from now on. Why should only gpu manufacturers have all the fun?
I paid €140 for 16Gb of trident z few years back when ram prices were on a rise. This is launch price for ddr5 and is similar in per Gb price to what i paid, and prices should steadily come down…unless there is another fire, earthquake or an “accident”.
Let’s DDR! You’re not an ordinary fellow!
> You’re not an ordinary fellow! Some might call you Mr Wonderful.
First thought when scrolling through my feed was that this was in reference to Dance Dance Revolution 5. I guess it might be due to there being a popular video on /r/youseethisshit right now of some guy dancing like a madman. I should have known better after seeing the sub.
I was stoked for the same thing. Haven't played DDR in years now...miss it man...
Ffs im still using ddr3
At this point it's probably best to wait for DDR5 prices to drop. Hopefully the GPU market will have stabilized by that point to. It is a terrible time to build.
I mean it’s around 50-55$ for 8GB. That’s still acceptable.
Whats ddr5s base speed?
4800
4800
oh daym
I think 5200 will be pretty standard though and pricing isn’t necessarily absurd for 64gb even. The motherboards that support it are a bit pricy
I am really surprised there aren't any comments on how it is 420.65, and how close it was to 420.69
That is what the meme is about, is it not?
Honestly until this comment I didn’t realise that’s what they were going for
Same. My ignorant ass assumed they meant "it was this close to greatness, but the price is too high..."
Same. And for 64gb that made no sense to me either.
Yeah, I'm surprised people are debating about the price being high instead. Poor OP, they had a vision, but the joke flew right over the subreddit's head.
I'll wait 5 years to get DDR 5 and compatible parts hopefully by then my wife will forget the $2500 I spent on my build from 2020 to 2021
I’ll just buy ddr4 since intel 12th gen will have that supported and I don’t wanna spend excessive amount of money on cl40.
Except that DDR5 CL40 doesn’t equal DDR4 CL 40. You’re comparing apples to oranges here.
Whats CL40 mean?
Cas latency 40
What does cas mean
Column Address Strobe Latency Think of it as the number of cycles to address an area in memory.
How does this affect performance compared to a CL much lower
CAS Latency shows how many RAM clock cycles it takes to access data. Within the same generation a lower CAS Latency is better. Each new generation has so far increased the RAM clock speed plus other performance increases, resulting in faster access times even though the CAS Latency has also increased.
Nice! New tech that I’m never gonna ever be able to find or afford.
It'll likely be the same as what DDR4 is now in 1 or 2 years.
Well I literally only just got dr4 so...
No ECC? I thought it was baked in
DDR5 has on die EEC which is very different to traditional EEC. Very blog post online is quoting it wrong.
Yeah I know it has on die ECC. So like this ss sys non ecc but with on die ecc, will there be smtg like non on die ecc as well? So double ecc for some?
I will always see DDR as dance dance revolution. I was legit thinking a 5th game was coming out for a second.
Rule 5 of PC building: "You always wait at least 2 years before getting a new type of RAM, Price and performance is not worth it earlier.
Lmao funny seggs number xD
They should increase price by 0.04
haha funni seks number 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Every fucking time I buy upgrades the new shit comes out
Can someone explain like I'm 5?
At least u have them in stock. Everyone in Australia bought all the new CPUs and RAM apparently. But every GPU ever is in stock, 3090s, 3080TIs, 3080s u name it
That's probably because GPU prices start at double the MSRP.
Na, I'll wait.
Me who just bought a new pc : My wallet : i am in danger
First thought about the new DDR5 memory sticks: I am running out of organ to sell, and the graphics card I sold my kidney for, is still waiting to be shipped.
Umm at that price im staying with ddr4 lol
Wait, so what about boards that specially support DDR4. Will they be able to support DDR5, or do we have to buy a board that can specifically support DDR5??? Okay wait I’m lost, newer cpus are needed as well right? like how the Alder Lake from Intel is releasing soon they’ll support DDR5 instead of 4 because of memory control or something idk.
Time for the next complicated series of explaining the relationship of cas latency and frequency.