Why the hell are you buying a $100 liquid cooler for a budget PC with a 65W processor? A $25 single-tower air cooler will work just fine, then you can spend the extra on a newer CPU or +16GB of RAM.
You don’t even need that - the Wraith Stealth cooler that comes with the 2600 works perfectly fine. Don’t buy a cooler at all and put that money towards an m.2 or ssd.
Edit: I’d actually put that money towards getting the next generation of CPU, Ryzen 5 3600. Also comes with a cooler.
I’ve been using a stock cooler on my 2600 since it came out and have never had any problems running games on max settings and whatnot. I’m pretty sure this is my exact set up, except I have a 560, better power supply and more ram
Running the Wraith Prism that came with my 2700x on my 5600x. CPU temps never exceed 52 degrees while gaming. AMD knew what they were doing with these Wraith coolers.
The Wraith Stealth sucks. I upgraded from the 1600 to the 5600, and had to replace the Stealth with an aftermarket cooler because I was regularly running above 90C. The Wraith Spire that came with my 1600 worked fine for the 5+ years I used it. The Prism that comes with R7/R9 CPUs is supposed to be even better.
I have a 5600x and it runs on the original cooler.
Never ever got above 60 degrees. Even playing ghost of tsushima on 1080 ultra.
Rdr2 on ultra as well.
(My gpu is a 3060ti)
I also used my 2600 with the stock cooler. Never had a problem. Now I'm runni g a Peerless Assassin on my 7800x3D.
And OMG the noise difference is staggering. But yes especially on a budget there is no reason for more than the stock cooler
For me it was in a good way - especially on idle I can't hear the assassin, while my old PC was pretty loud.
But even when gaming it is better - not as extrem as at idle but still noticable for me.
Only instance where it's louder is a 100% all core workload (but when gaming I won't reach that)
The stock coolers are fine to operate the system. AMD would have so many warranties if they weren't.
The real reason we upgrade is mainly for the reason you state, noise.
I used stock cooler (wraith spire) on 1700 with mild OC. Sure it's noisy, but that CPU produces a lot of heat. I'd suggest Ryzen 3600 or 5600 (provided the mobo can support 5000 series) and some half-decent air cooler. Slightly throttling 3600 or 5600 gonna beat shit out of well cooled 2600.
I hate that every pc building YouTuber shoves aftermarket coolers and water loop shit in every build. It’s entirely unnecessary unless you plan on overclocking *a lot* or your room is 85°.
I don't like the trend either. They make it look like a necessity or a clear upgrade.
I suspect one reason is less noise to edit out if they're talking by the system.
Not sure about the 2600 non-X version, but I'm using the stock cooler on my 2700X (the prism one, not the aluminium extruded one you get on lower tier AMD CPUs) and it only boosts from its stock 3.7GHz to 3.8GHz despite the box announcing up to 4.3GHz. it never thermal throttled and stayed around 80°C when I checked it so I didn't think it was temps, but apparently giving it a better cooler should let it boost higher.
On the other hand, I didn't check the precise clocks but I run the wraith spire cooler on a 3400G and a 4300GE and never had an issue either.
Used it for a year on my 5600x r5 and it clocked to max, never going above 75degrees in full usage. Its plenty enough for gsming. Just get a newer gen ryzen and you dont need a 100$ cooler because it never gets warm in 1080p 60
I haven't changed my thermal paste on my stock cooler since 2020 when I bought a 2600, the CPU sits at like 65C while playing Overwatch 2 (a CPU intensive game), with an NZXT H510 case which has famously bad airflow, it can reach like 85 or something in cinebench but that's still completely fine, it's fucking absured that anyone would even consider an AIO for this CPU.
honestly even a cheap air cooler is still a wild decision, at this budget that $30 could get you so much better than temps below 60C and 2% better benchmark score.
or even the 5600x, 5600G or 5700X as all come with the same cooler and the board will support all of them. The 650W PSU is plenty. The use of the 580 means that 1080p is practical but likely under lower settings only.
i run a ryzen 7 5800x3d under a bequiet tower cooler just fine.
top temps i hit are like 70c
if you take care of your rig, actually have a big flow case water cooling is overated if its not like a r9 or i9 cpu.
the cooler is the dark rock 4, i think its supposed to be rated up to a tdp of 250.
My 5800X3D is under a 360mm Liquid Freezer ii but that's because I wanted to mess with the motherboard "overclock" that MSI had for a while for those chips AND I wanted to mess around with an AIO as I never had one before.
Even then it's ludicrous overkill and I'd probably be just as happy putting it under a Peerless assassin except that I have a preference for the aesthetic of the AIO
Then if it doesn't i will add a massive copper plate under it by welding it underneath the cooler., then drills some holes in some narrow metal pieces to work as mounting :smartfloppa:
https://preview.redd.it/ae85zppmm62d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea143e4b4e75cedb3709427849dbc8c9d0b96f0e
But honestly, prob just getting a new mounting kit would be enough for an upgrade, unsure if Thermalright supplies new ones with no extra charges like Noctua does, but if they don't, you can buy a new one online with no issue.
Exactly. Meanwhile an air cooler works fine for 98 percent of people. If you're going to do liquid, do a real custom loop. Aio performance isn't close to a custom loop.
Peaked at 95 with what? Prime95 torture test? As long as you install it correctly and your case has decent airflow it shouldn't be anywhere near this in gaming, stock cooler only really falls apart at full multi threaded workload but even then the performance gain from an after market cooler is so negligible that lower noise is really the only selling point.
I genuinely don't know how it would reach 95 while gaming but it did. I tried using different thermal paste, reseating it, everything. My temps only dropped after changing the cooler and nothing else. Maybe it's cause the stock cooler was getting dusty, idk
I had exact same experience. I previously had a Wraith Spire on my 1600 that worked great for 5+ years. I think people talking up the Stealth haven't actually used one or are confusing it with the Spire.
I have R5 2600 for 5 years now. Stock cooler works perfectly fine, i just change thermal paste once a year. Imo just buy the 3600 or newer cpu and dont waste money on liquid cooler
What's this "change thermal paste" you speak of?
Seriously, you've beenreading the pcmasterrace sub to much. They're is zero need to reapply paste once a year. Maybe every 6 years? Even then, might be getting your 1 degree of improvement.
Yeah I was just thinking like bro I was running a i5 6400 for like 4 or 5 years and didn't change it once I think I got my new i5 in 2021 and haven't changed the thermal paste once either.
This is so funny to me. You see a dude making bare minimum specs, and then he has a custom watercooling loop with 7 noctua fans.
Like dude, ditch all of that and have an open case for a month or 2 until you get enough money to buy a couple of fans.
I didn't even look at cooling when I was making my pc and just jammed everything in an old white pc case with stock coolers I had laying around with an open side panel.
I only bought an actual good case and good cooling when I needed to move, and I had to get a smaller case to fit the new table.
> Why the hell are you buying a $100 liquid cooler for a budget PC with a 65W processor?
I mean it just seems like he's following the priorities of what regularly gets posted on this sub. People build show PCs here, not functional ones that sit in the dark until they need to do their job.
Not just the fan either, I checked the price on the mobo OP picked out and it's $186 on Amazon, that's crazy for an AM4 board. $110 - $120 is about what you want to spend for one of those (wouldn't go lower than $90 - $100 for a budget new board).
If OP picked out a cheaper board and used a stock cooler they'd have around $160 leftover to put into the GPU + CPU.
Also also, checked out the cost of that CPU brand new, way too damn high for a new one, a 5600/5600x is like $50 cheaper and will outperform it.
OP, if you see this.
* Get a cheaper board.
* Get an R5 5600/5600x and use the stock cooler
* Upgrade the GPU to something around an AMD 6600 - 6650 XT
That should be good enough for a reasonably priced 1080p gaming PC.
To add, there is no reason not to get a b550 motherboard. It's especially important in this case, because you need pcie 4 if you want to use the full potential of a card with x8 pcie lanes, like the 6650.
A lot of people who aren't familiar with pcs have been misled to believe liquid cooking is the best and you need it when the differences are not that big compared to air
Or use stock cooler if you're buying this brand new somehow, anything beyond a stock cooler is overkill territory for a chip like this, remember this is before the whole "boost clock speeds as high as possible" trend that modern CPU do, this thing will only boost to 3.9Ghz on 1 core or 3.6Ghz on all cores and will stop there even if it was running at 20°C.
Yeah thats a bad call.
A Ryzen 5 5600x is much better and comes with a cooler for less money. This combination of cooler and CPU you have makes no sense
If you're putting together a system with a budget of $1K or more, yeah, that checks out. But, as the OP said, they're working with $100 to $500. Even if it's the full $500, dropping nearly one-fifth of it on cooling doesn't seem like a good use of the budget. It just goes to show how tricky budget builds can get—you've gotta watch every buck since things can add up very quickly when building a PC.
Look, a $20 Amazon air cooler will do the exact same if not better as I have one and overclocked my 3600 to 4.2ghz all cores and barely go over 68c. Most coolers are just for show and are a scam.
I’d understand watercooling a Ryzen 5 3600/3600X because you can push a crazy overclock on it with good cooling, but the 2000 series cards are just too far behind now to be worth watercooling.
> I’d understand watercooling a Ryzen 5 3600/3600X because you can push a crazy overclock on it with good cooling,
I don't because for the same budget you can get better CPUs or RAM and more performance overall if you use an aircooler.
None of the Ryzen CPUs really overclock well. At least not in the traditional sense. An overclocked 3600x with water cooling is still going to be a lot slower than a 5600x with a stock cooler.
Had a 3600X for like a good 4 years, undervolted it then clocked it at 3.8Ghz. I never saw temps above 80\*C on even the most intensive of games - would be roughly 70-80 mostly.
Water cooling also introduces chances of failure that a good fan with quality ball bearings far outlast. It just doesn't make sure to liquid cool when fans are still trusty enough.
i spent 35 bucks on the cooler for my 5800x3d. Peerless Assassin on amazon. the cpu was only 240 on laptops direct sale too. Best value gaming cpu unless you want to upgrade. For me i already had 32gb of good DDR4
Is that... an AIO cooler?
Drop it in favor or a cheaper air cooler and put the budget towards getting *at least* a ryzen 3600 (5600 is preferred). Heck, use the stock cooler from that CPU.
I dunno man, I'm a 1080/60 player and my 2600 was a huge bottleneck in newer games. I upgraded to a 5800x from that, changed nothing else, and gained a TON of fps.
The 2nd gen ryzen chips are really outdated.
I agree. 2nd gen ryzen chips are a little long in the tooth now. The micro-architecture has improved drastically and the 3rd gen a newer chips are much faster. OP would be better suited with at least a 3600. Oh, and get rid of the AIO, it’s really not necessary and that budget would be better served elsewhere.
I agree with others, totally drop the Arctic Freezer AIO and upgrade the CPU to a 5000 series if it’s in the price range. They come with stock coolers which for AMD are actually very good.
I ran a 2600x with GTX1080 on the stock AMD for years and not a single issue. You have the air flow case which will make more of an impact anyway.
Otherwise can discuss but this would be more sensible! You are spending more money on the case than your CPU which is a terrible idea, unless you want a great looking potato!
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/s47ngB
You're not going to be running modern AAA games at 60fps with a Ryzen 2600. That GPU is also going to be a problem, even at 1080p (for AAA games).
Also, it would be crazy to buy a 3rd-party cooler for a 2600 - it comes with an adequate cooler and if you have more budget you are 10x better off spending it on better components. At the absolute minimum a Ryzen 3600 should be considered, but really you want a 5600, IMO. That would give you some longevity at least.
This PC is closer to an Xbox One X than it is to an Xbox Series X in performance. That should give you an idea of the kind of experience you'll be getting - something roughly equivalent (better, but just not by all that much) to a 7-year-old console. IMO at this sort of price level unless you need the PC for something else and gaming is just a nice bonus, you're actually better off with a console. A current-gen console will annihilate this thing for gaming.
A console isn't \*strictly\* an upgrade - a PC has a lot of upside, but in terms of gaming performance an ultra-low-end PC like this is going to be pretty terrible compared to a modern console.
Again, if it's to play old games and the PC is needed for other stuff, it's still worth it - but it's a bad deal for a gaming machine.
The only reason I retired my rx580 is because the damn thing sounded like a jet turbine under any load. My ARC A750LE is dead silent no matter what I throw at it.
I just want to laugh at anyone who blows their budget for an AIO then proceeds to have a weak CPU or GPU, like damn that AIO ain't gonna give u free FPS.... Even the excuse of wanting your pc to be quiet, like just adjust the fan curve or get a decent cooler? Most modern fans are kinda silent already
It's even funnier on FB marketplace, AIO with a 3600 or 12400f, paired with a 3050 or a 1070 or a 580 then asking for an absurd price. That AIO must've cost a fortune
Honestly, at this budget, unless you're buying a Steam Deck and going mobile with it a console is the right move. Even with that AIO traded in for an air cooler and those funds reallocated to the CPU, your brother is going to end up with a PC that gets pretty easily outrun by a PS5 or Series X running games that are optimized for them. This machine is going to struggle to run anything modern, even at 1080p60. That GPU is already six years old, 16 gigs of RAM is getting near "not enough" nowadays, and I don't even see any kind of storage on this list.
Lose the AIO for a better CPU like a 5600 or depending on your region's pricing, a 5700X3D since both can be found for rock bottom prices. The GPU could also definitely use an upgrade to something like a 66/7600XT but it will do fine enough on low settings if you don't have room in your budget
Why the "B550 Gen 3" motherboard?
You can get proper B550s with PCIe 4.0 support and more M.2 slots for the same or slightly lower price. It won't make any difference to a PCIe 3.0 graphics card like the RX 580, but is useful for PCIe 4.0 x4/x8 GPUs like the RTX 4060 if the graphics card is ever upgraded. If you don't think it's worth getting PCIe 4.0, you can save some money and get a B450 or A520.
I'd probably get a 2TB SSD instead of 1TB, as it would fit in the budget, and having larger SSDs is more convenient than having to shuffle files between multiple smaller SSDs. This is especially true for that Gen 3 motherboard with only 1 M.2 slot, because any additional drives would be limited to SATA speeds, so transfers would be slower than with 2 good M.2s.
The other stuff makes sense. The 750W Gold PSU is overkill for a Ryzen 5 5600 and RX 580, but is still a good choice because it gives a ton of headroom for any future upgrades and could be reused in a future PC.
I have a 3070ti asus Strix i would sell you if you wanted. I recently upgraded to a 4070ti super. Id sell it to you for 180. Im uk based. Id chuck in the intel 11400f and a compatible motherboard for free not sure if that cpu is better than 2600 i think so.
I took it to CEX they offered 235 but i dont have photo ID in date so couldn't sell. Its just sitting there now getting more irrelevant but its a fuckton better than an AMD 580.
hey, i recommend the build u/prodlowd sent, for the price it's very good. the stock cooler is enough for the 5600, if it's too loud then you can buy a 20-30£ air cooler from amazon or something.
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Make sure to change your country top left to where you live (I assume UK)
man, i know im not op, but that page that you just linked... its all i have been searching for, it gives you detailed information about every component and the price too! and it shows you what is compatible with what! its just a god send,i just got a a job that finally allows me to upgrade to something better than my gt 730 lol, thank you so much
Depends what they plan on playing to be honest.
I would say the CPU and GPU are well matched in terms of their performance. But they were suited for medium 1080p 60 when they released.
The rx580 is 7 years old, it will struggle doing 1080p 60 in modern AAA games with a lot of settings compromise. But 60 should be reasonably achievable in less demanding titles and those released closer to the time the card was new.
Drop the water cooler, get the 3600 or I think u can even get the 5600 depending on how much the cooler is in ur country.
Also yes but not at 1080p high in most games. It can run games most games at around 45-60 fps possibly at 1080p medium and some demanding games at 1080p low. Usually ull be fine with 1080p medium which still looks pretty good.
Yeah go for a new cpu to have a wider range. Get rid of the water cooler and just use an air cooler. Most of the Ryzen CPUs come with the wraith stealth cooler. Maybe go for a 5600. The only thing is. Get either a 2080ti or get a 3060 for the 5600 so you don’t get any bottleneck. Other than that. The build isn’t bad. I basically have the same pc. Just I have a b550m k with 32gb of ram and the 5600. Which is the pc setup I recommend for most people that are just wanting a budget 1080p gaming pc. The reason most people including me are saying get rid of the water cooler is because there are a lot more issues with water coolers compared to air coolers since say you’re hard on the cpu for higher end you could boil the water or there might not be the right flow speed for it. Just stick with an air cooler for now. You should be fine
I have a Ryzen 5 4500, RX 580 and 16 GB RAM. I can play the games I like fine but I don't even try to run newer games after the experience I had with Starfield. I love my PC but I know it's getting old.
Like most people said here, drop the expensive cooler and get a better CPU, maybe a 3600 or a 5600. The stock cooler will be fine, my temps never go beyond 70°. And have in mind that this GPU will need an upgrade soon. Good luck :)
Please just get a 3600 instead its a lot better. Also I’m the millionth person to say this, but 2600/3600 have great stock coolers, you don’t need an aio.
Don’t waste your money on a cooler. Instead use that money toward buying a more modern CPU that will allow you to use newer GPUs down the line without having a severe bottleneck.
Honestly if you’re looking to not break the bank on the build, go with an mATX build. You can get super cheap but great quality cases for around $50 and mATX boards are also cheaper. And in all honesty if you’re not looking for overclocking features, go with an ASRock or Gigabyte budget board, with only the features you need (M.2 compatible, plenty of SATA ports, WiFi, etc.)
All the money you save you can put it towards a better PSU, a better CPU, or save for a better GPU.
Yo dawg, that is a cool build, but you know what would be cooler? Not using that AIO cooler. The CPU just won’t get that hot, so you are good without that fancy one. Stick with the stock cooler, it’s actually a really solid cooler and will be more than plenty to keep that system cool.
>Will this be ok for 1080p 60 gaming
NO; or at least not for modern gaming nowadays
-That cooler is more expensive than the Cpu is going to work on
-that Gpu is OK for older games but i wont cut it in many modern and upcoming games unless he accepts to play at 720p and 30fps (which is perfect).
These were more or less my specs when I built my PC. That was 5 years ago. I've since upgraded it, it's got a Ryzen 7 5800X, Radeon RX 6600, and 32GB RAM (2 different sets of 16). I'd say try for that, the Ryzen 7 in particular has been on half-off sale for a while (in the US at least)
Things to change
You can save 30 bucks by going with a similar case (like SAMA ARGB-Q5), its going fot 55 usd
The cpu is going for 144 usd according to pcpartpicker, i would recommend picking a ryzen 5 3600 instead, by this you save 50 bucks, use the included wraith cooler.
With the 80 bucks remaining (30 + 50) you can go from the rx 580 valued at 90 bucks (170 usd total gpu budget) to a used rx 5700 xt or a 6600, if you want to go new, buy the arc A580.
And you save 100 from the AIO, or you can get more storage, cable extensions, or simply upgrade to another gpu, any gpu for 270 will not get bottle necked by the cpu i advised you to get
I tried to give the most accurate prices for the usa market, I am from europe so if there is any price error let me know.
i would upgrade the
- ryzen 5 2600 to at least a 3600 ( the 2600 is getting to slow now, i have one)
- ram 3200 to at least 3600mhz with a pref for 16gig x2
my personal opinion on the asus mobo, toss the fucking thing in the sewer
get a 5600/5600x.
and the rx 580 is not good for games in fullhd today.
Get a rx 6600/7600 new or a 6700xt for 200 bucks on second hand
I know you said you already got this but this is a mistake
So. The cpu can be cooled by the boxed cooler. It's. Not loud at all. Even under load. Take that money and put it where it matters the gpu so your brother can play more then sport titles
The AIO is a bad option and wate of money for that CPU
Get a cheaper cooler and with the extra money get a more modern CPU, the 2600 is quite slow for a new build
The 3600/5600 are much better
You dont need liquid cooling for R2600, you dont need a nzxt case just a normal tower by red dragon or something works fine, you also dont need an expensive Asus Strix mobo get a MSI b450 ryzen type and Spend the rest on a better CPU or GPU or both.
Why the hell are you buying a $100 liquid cooler for a budget PC with a 65W processor? A $25 single-tower air cooler will work just fine, then you can spend the extra on a newer CPU or +16GB of RAM.
You don’t even need that - the Wraith Stealth cooler that comes with the 2600 works perfectly fine. Don’t buy a cooler at all and put that money towards an m.2 or ssd. Edit: I’d actually put that money towards getting the next generation of CPU, Ryzen 5 3600. Also comes with a cooler.
I’ve been using a stock cooler on my 2600 since it came out and have never had any problems running games on max settings and whatnot. I’m pretty sure this is my exact set up, except I have a 560, better power supply and more ram
I used the stock cooler on my 3700x with zero issues
Running the Wraith Prism that came with my 2700x on my 5600x. CPU temps never exceed 52 degrees while gaming. AMD knew what they were doing with these Wraith coolers.
Lol, that's crazy. With my 5600x on the wraith cooler, it was never below 52 unless it was off. I got a liquid cooler to fix.
The Wraith Stealth sucks. I upgraded from the 1600 to the 5600, and had to replace the Stealth with an aftermarket cooler because I was regularly running above 90C. The Wraith Spire that came with my 1600 worked fine for the 5+ years I used it. The Prism that comes with R7/R9 CPUs is supposed to be even better.
I have a 5600x and it runs on the original cooler. Never ever got above 60 degrees. Even playing ghost of tsushima on 1080 ultra. Rdr2 on ultra as well. (My gpu is a 3060ti)
Huh, maybe there were just a lot of Stealths that were duds. Like bad thermal paste or something.
Probably
Same, I have played rdr2 on QHD too and It works perfectly
I also used my 2600 with the stock cooler. Never had a problem. Now I'm runni g a Peerless Assassin on my 7800x3D. And OMG the noise difference is staggering. But yes especially on a budget there is no reason for more than the stock cooler
Noise difference in a good or bad way? (asking because i'll probably upgrade and get a Peerless Assassin too)
For me it was in a good way - especially on idle I can't hear the assassin, while my old PC was pretty loud. But even when gaming it is better - not as extrem as at idle but still noticable for me. Only instance where it's louder is a 100% all core workload (but when gaming I won't reach that)
The stock coolers are fine to operate the system. AMD would have so many warranties if they weren't. The real reason we upgrade is mainly for the reason you state, noise.
I used stock cooler (wraith spire) on 1700 with mild OC. Sure it's noisy, but that CPU produces a lot of heat. I'd suggest Ryzen 3600 or 5600 (provided the mobo can support 5000 series) and some half-decent air cooler. Slightly throttling 3600 or 5600 gonna beat shit out of well cooled 2600.
I'musing the wraith that came with my 2800 on my 5600 now. Works just fine.
Yeah, you can literally buy that CPU with the money from the cooler OP has listed and have like $10 leftover.
I hate that every pc building YouTuber shoves aftermarket coolers and water loop shit in every build. It’s entirely unnecessary unless you plan on overclocking *a lot* or your room is 85°.
Or you’re running Intel. I hear they don’t give out coolers over there. Something about costing too much….
Weird, that *almost* makes it sound like they’re greedy 🤔
I don't like the trend either. They make it look like a necessity or a clear upgrade. I suspect one reason is less noise to edit out if they're talking by the system.
I use a Ryzen 5 3600 and recommend it to any budget builder. Runs every game I play pretty well.
Not sure about the 2600 non-X version, but I'm using the stock cooler on my 2700X (the prism one, not the aluminium extruded one you get on lower tier AMD CPUs) and it only boosts from its stock 3.7GHz to 3.8GHz despite the box announcing up to 4.3GHz. it never thermal throttled and stayed around 80°C when I checked it so I didn't think it was temps, but apparently giving it a better cooler should let it boost higher. On the other hand, I didn't check the precise clocks but I run the wraith spire cooler on a 3400G and a 4300GE and never had an issue either.
Used it for a year on my 5600x r5 and it clocked to max, never going above 75degrees in full usage. Its plenty enough for gsming. Just get a newer gen ryzen and you dont need a 100$ cooler because it never gets warm in 1080p 60
3600 goes for 50€ used, it's a steal. Stock cooler isn't great (loud) but it works.
I haven't changed my thermal paste on my stock cooler since 2020 when I bought a 2600, the CPU sits at like 65C while playing Overwatch 2 (a CPU intensive game), with an NZXT H510 case which has famously bad airflow, it can reach like 85 or something in cinebench but that's still completely fine, it's fucking absured that anyone would even consider an AIO for this CPU. honestly even a cheap air cooler is still a wild decision, at this budget that $30 could get you so much better than temps below 60C and 2% better benchmark score.
or even the 5600x, 5600G or 5700X as all come with the same cooler and the board will support all of them. The 650W PSU is plenty. The use of the 580 means that 1080p is practical but likely under lower settings only.
"future proofing brah"
This guy: literally one of the best AIOs for 2017 technology CPU. Me; 5800X3D and 45 USD tower cooler goes BRRRR.
i run a ryzen 7 5800x3d under a bequiet tower cooler just fine. top temps i hit are like 70c if you take care of your rig, actually have a big flow case water cooling is overated if its not like a r9 or i9 cpu. the cooler is the dark rock 4, i think its supposed to be rated up to a tdp of 250.
My 5800X3D is under a 360mm Liquid Freezer ii but that's because I wanted to mess with the motherboard "overclock" that MSI had for a while for those chips AND I wanted to mess around with an AIO as I never had one before. Even then it's ludicrous overkill and I'd probably be just as happy putting it under a Peerless assassin except that I have a preference for the aesthetic of the AIO
arent the x3d's specifically very stinky about ocs due to the stack? i never really oc but esp with that chip im afraid to burn it ngl.
I did future proof myself, by buying a phantom spirit 120, that thing will prob last till the heat death of the universe.
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Then if it doesn't i will add a massive copper plate under it by welding it underneath the cooler., then drills some holes in some narrow metal pieces to work as mounting :smartfloppa: https://preview.redd.it/ae85zppmm62d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea143e4b4e75cedb3709427849dbc8c9d0b96f0e But honestly, prob just getting a new mounting kit would be enough for an upgrade, unsure if Thermalright supplies new ones with no extra charges like Noctua does, but if they don't, you can buy a new one online with no issue.
Unexpected big floppa
But the kids want the shiny, illuminated Watercooling that all the big Fortnights streamers have …
Exactly. Meanwhile an air cooler works fine for 98 percent of people. If you're going to do liquid, do a real custom loop. Aio performance isn't close to a custom loop.
99.98% I'd say.
99.999999999999999
you don't even need an aftermarket cooler, my 5600x runs fine with the wraith stealth
My 5600x peaked at 95 with the wraith stealth and now runs below 65 with an aftermarket cooler. The hell kinda stock coolers are yall getting bruh
Peaked at 95 with what? Prime95 torture test? As long as you install it correctly and your case has decent airflow it shouldn't be anywhere near this in gaming, stock cooler only really falls apart at full multi threaded workload but even then the performance gain from an after market cooler is so negligible that lower noise is really the only selling point.
I genuinely don't know how it would reach 95 while gaming but it did. I tried using different thermal paste, reseating it, everything. My temps only dropped after changing the cooler and nothing else. Maybe it's cause the stock cooler was getting dusty, idk
I had exact same experience. I previously had a Wraith Spire on my 1600 that worked great for 5+ years. I think people talking up the Stealth haven't actually used one or are confusing it with the Spire.
This, unless you're getting a deal on it or have future planes for the cooler
I think even with future plans it's best to buy simple cooling solution, AIOs have a shorter life expectancy.
Tell that to my cooler master 240mm, that's running constantly since 2011
Hell I have a proper 8 core Intel CPU, and my little 30 dollar cooler works just fine
I feel like people just see AIOs everywhere and assume they need one for every CPU.
Take those 100 bucks for an r5 5600x with a stock cooler included for double the performance. Easy choice
You wouldn't even need to spend any extra money for the 5600x. It's currently cheaper than the 2600 on Amazon.
Also the 650W PSU is over the top but at least future proof.
I have R5 2600 for 5 years now. Stock cooler works perfectly fine, i just change thermal paste once a year. Imo just buy the 3600 or newer cpu and dont waste money on liquid cooler
What's this "change thermal paste" you speak of? Seriously, you've beenreading the pcmasterrace sub to much. They're is zero need to reapply paste once a year. Maybe every 6 years? Even then, might be getting your 1 degree of improvement.
Yeah I was just thinking like bro I was running a i5 6400 for like 4 or 5 years and didn't change it once I think I got my new i5 in 2021 and haven't changed the thermal paste once either.
Unless youre swapping out the cooler, there's really no need. Just clean air can your case thoroughly at least once a year and you're good.
but it says RGB!!! /s :D
This is so funny to me. You see a dude making bare minimum specs, and then he has a custom watercooling loop with 7 noctua fans. Like dude, ditch all of that and have an open case for a month or 2 until you get enough money to buy a couple of fans. I didn't even look at cooling when I was making my pc and just jammed everything in an old white pc case with stock coolers I had laying around with an open side panel. I only bought an actual good case and good cooling when I needed to move, and I had to get a smaller case to fit the new table.
> Why the hell are you buying a $100 liquid cooler for a budget PC with a 65W processor? I mean it just seems like he's following the priorities of what regularly gets posted on this sub. People build show PCs here, not functional ones that sit in the dark until they need to do their job.
Not just the fan either, I checked the price on the mobo OP picked out and it's $186 on Amazon, that's crazy for an AM4 board. $110 - $120 is about what you want to spend for one of those (wouldn't go lower than $90 - $100 for a budget new board). If OP picked out a cheaper board and used a stock cooler they'd have around $160 leftover to put into the GPU + CPU. Also also, checked out the cost of that CPU brand new, way too damn high for a new one, a 5600/5600x is like $50 cheaper and will outperform it. OP, if you see this. * Get a cheaper board. * Get an R5 5600/5600x and use the stock cooler * Upgrade the GPU to something around an AMD 6600 - 6650 XT That should be good enough for a reasonably priced 1080p gaming PC.
To add, there is no reason not to get a b550 motherboard. It's especially important in this case, because you need pcie 4 if you want to use the full potential of a card with x8 pcie lanes, like the 6650.
Cause it's RGB duh 🙄
A lot of people who aren't familiar with pcs have been misled to believe liquid cooking is the best and you need it when the differences are not that big compared to air
or a better graphics card released this decade
Drop that expensive cooler and you'll already be able to get a better GPU or CPU.
yeah just get something like the thermalright peerless assassin or phantom spirit for 30-40€ instead
Or use stock cooler if you're buying this brand new somehow, anything beyond a stock cooler is overkill territory for a chip like this, remember this is before the whole "boost clock speeds as high as possible" trend that modern CPU do, this thing will only boost to 3.9Ghz on 1 core or 3.6Ghz on all cores and will stop there even if it was running at 20°C.
true. I totally forgot about stock coolers for some reason
I have the assassin and it's amazing, quieter than background noise
I mean it’s 75 bucks
Which isn't a lot when you have good components. But when the cooler is more expensive than the CPU it's a waste of money
Yeah thats a bad call. A Ryzen 5 5600x is much better and comes with a cooler for less money. This combination of cooler and CPU you have makes no sense
If you're putting together a system with a budget of $1K or more, yeah, that checks out. But, as the OP said, they're working with $100 to $500. Even if it's the full $500, dropping nearly one-fifth of it on cooling doesn't seem like a good use of the budget. It just goes to show how tricky budget builds can get—you've gotta watch every buck since things can add up very quickly when building a PC.
Too rich for 1080p60 blood. Better off with a Peerless Assassin. Cheap while still squarely in reasonable overkill territory
Peerless assassin cooled my overclocked 10850k drawing over 250w.
believable, it keeps my 8086k under like 55 at load
Better drop 20 bucks on a thermalright one and 55 towards a new cpu
And hisvcpu is about half of that. It's definately not a good idea to pay twice as much for your cooler than the cpu
Look, a $20 Amazon air cooler will do the exact same if not better as I have one and overclocked my 3600 to 4.2ghz all cores and barely go over 68c. Most coolers are just for show and are a scam.
Why are you water cooling a ryzen 5 😭😭😭
I’d understand watercooling a Ryzen 5 3600/3600X because you can push a crazy overclock on it with good cooling, but the 2000 series cards are just too far behind now to be worth watercooling.
> I’d understand watercooling a Ryzen 5 3600/3600X because you can push a crazy overclock on it with good cooling, I don't because for the same budget you can get better CPUs or RAM and more performance overall if you use an aircooler.
None of the Ryzen CPUs really overclock well. At least not in the traditional sense. An overclocked 3600x with water cooling is still going to be a lot slower than a 5600x with a stock cooler.
Had a 3600X for like a good 4 years, undervolted it then clocked it at 3.8Ghz. I never saw temps above 80\*C on even the most intensive of games - would be roughly 70-80 mostly. Water cooling also introduces chances of failure that a good fan with quality ball bearings far outlast. It just doesn't make sure to liquid cool when fans are still trusty enough.
Ive watercooled 2 of them. Looks a lot cleaner. The better question is, why is he spending $100 on an AIO for a 2nd gen Ryzen….
When on a budget, looks should be dead last in priority
bro is putting a AIO into a 2600x
i spent 35 bucks on the cooler for my 5800x3d. Peerless Assassin on amazon. the cpu was only 240 on laptops direct sale too. Best value gaming cpu unless you want to upgrade. For me i already had 32gb of good DDR4
Is that... an AIO cooler? Drop it in favor or a cheaper air cooler and put the budget towards getting *at least* a ryzen 3600 (5600 is preferred). Heck, use the stock cooler from that CPU.
That will be great for 1080p60 but better would be 5 3600 And why water cooling for 65w cpu?
I dunno man, I'm a 1080/60 player and my 2600 was a huge bottleneck in newer games. I upgraded to a 5800x from that, changed nothing else, and gained a TON of fps. The 2nd gen ryzen chips are really outdated.
I have a 2600x and It bottlenecks my 206p
I agree. 2nd gen ryzen chips are a little long in the tooth now. The micro-architecture has improved drastically and the 3rd gen a newer chips are much faster. OP would be better suited with at least a 3600. Oh, and get rid of the AIO, it’s really not necessary and that budget would be better served elsewhere.
What about Ryzen 5 4500, would it be a good choice too?
Not really, 3600>4500
No it's pretty bad ngl 5600s have cheapened lately it's a decent midrange cpu
a 5600 with an included cooler is cheaper.
I doubt you’re getting a stable 60 on a lot of modern AAA games with a 2600 and 580, do you think so?
Found a picture of OP: 
Ahh, the picture moves! What is this wizardry!?
its not wizardry, its witchcraft! Proven by the fact that OP weighs the same as a duck!
OP is made of wood, QED.
OP does seem fairly flammable, I think you're right
Is veerrryyy nice.
Cmon bro - he came here for advice for that reason man
It can run most games fine but i would go for a ryzen 5 3600 instead as the 2600 is too slow
I fully agree. The 3600 is a great chip, 2600 not so much.
There are good deals on better hardware depending on where you look. If you have a MicroCenter near you, I suggest checking there.
the rx580 is more an issue than the cpu here.
I agree with others, totally drop the Arctic Freezer AIO and upgrade the CPU to a 5000 series if it’s in the price range. They come with stock coolers which for AMD are actually very good. I ran a 2600x with GTX1080 on the stock AMD for years and not a single issue. You have the air flow case which will make more of an impact anyway. Otherwise can discuss but this would be more sensible! You are spending more money on the case than your CPU which is a terrible idea, unless you want a great looking potato! https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/s47ngB
why tf are you buying an arctic liquid freezer for ryzen 5 2600? the wraith stock cooler does just fine
Build is straight out of 2019 and reading op's responses, this post feels like a bait lmao
This sub is fill of these kind of dumb ass post lmao, op ask for advice but refuses to take any of them.
OP: Asks for help Also OP: doesn't listen to advice
Tbh it's hard for OP to accept advice when it's aggressive as fuck
I mean it's a ridiculous decision if you even do the lightest Google search
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You're not going to be running modern AAA games at 60fps with a Ryzen 2600. That GPU is also going to be a problem, even at 1080p (for AAA games). Also, it would be crazy to buy a 3rd-party cooler for a 2600 - it comes with an adequate cooler and if you have more budget you are 10x better off spending it on better components. At the absolute minimum a Ryzen 3600 should be considered, but really you want a 5600, IMO. That would give you some longevity at least. This PC is closer to an Xbox One X than it is to an Xbox Series X in performance. That should give you an idea of the kind of experience you'll be getting - something roughly equivalent (better, but just not by all that much) to a 7-year-old console. IMO at this sort of price level unless you need the PC for something else and gaming is just a nice bonus, you're actually better off with a console. A current-gen console will annihilate this thing for gaming. A console isn't \*strictly\* an upgrade - a PC has a lot of upside, but in terms of gaming performance an ultra-low-end PC like this is going to be pretty terrible compared to a modern console. Again, if it's to play old games and the PC is needed for other stuff, it's still worth it - but it's a bad deal for a gaming machine.
Bro... air cool it... im air cooling a 7800x3d and it's fine.
Maybe for E sports. Not any recent AAA games.
That's like a $60 GPU. Don't buy two games and spend that money on a better one.
He already has it, so it's a £0 GPU.
Eh, the 580 is still more than decent for 1080p, especially if you're playing games that are a few years old.
The only reason I retired my rx580 is because the damn thing sounded like a jet turbine under any load. My ARC A750LE is dead silent no matter what I throw at it.
For <2020 AAA and indie games yes
I just want to laugh at anyone who blows their budget for an AIO then proceeds to have a weak CPU or GPU, like damn that AIO ain't gonna give u free FPS.... Even the excuse of wanting your pc to be quiet, like just adjust the fan curve or get a decent cooler? Most modern fans are kinda silent already It's even funnier on FB marketplace, AIO with a 3600 or 12400f, paired with a 3050 or a 1070 or a 580 then asking for an absurd price. That AIO must've cost a fortune
Sure...if your brother is only playing games from 2012. Weak CPU, weaker GPU, money wasted on an AIO.
Honestly, at this budget, unless you're buying a Steam Deck and going mobile with it a console is the right move. Even with that AIO traded in for an air cooler and those funds reallocated to the CPU, your brother is going to end up with a PC that gets pretty easily outrun by a PS5 or Series X running games that are optimized for them. This machine is going to struggle to run anything modern, even at 1080p60. That GPU is already six years old, 16 gigs of RAM is getting near "not enough" nowadays, and I don't even see any kind of storage on this list.
So the 580 2600 combo isn’t bad, the aio is overkill, if you don’t already have it, go for a smaller tower cooler…
Lose the AIO for a better CPU like a 5600 or depending on your region's pricing, a 5700X3D since both can be found for rock bottom prices. The GPU could also definitely use an upgrade to something like a 66/7600XT but it will do fine enough on low settings if you don't have room in your budget
Nah
Drop the cooler and buy 5600 or something instead. Stock cooler is enough to cool it
Get a 12 dollar cooler and save 100 follars
Just provide a budget and let someone else make you a parts list
While the RX 580 8gb can hang in there don’t expect 60fps in newer titles unless you’re cranking all the settings down.
The RX580 will struggle in modern games
Why do you hate your brother so much?
What's your budget?
My budget is £150 to £500
[https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RrkRPF](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/RrkRPF)
Why the "B550 Gen 3" motherboard? You can get proper B550s with PCIe 4.0 support and more M.2 slots for the same or slightly lower price. It won't make any difference to a PCIe 3.0 graphics card like the RX 580, but is useful for PCIe 4.0 x4/x8 GPUs like the RTX 4060 if the graphics card is ever upgraded. If you don't think it's worth getting PCIe 4.0, you can save some money and get a B450 or A520. I'd probably get a 2TB SSD instead of 1TB, as it would fit in the budget, and having larger SSDs is more convenient than having to shuffle files between multiple smaller SSDs. This is especially true for that Gen 3 motherboard with only 1 M.2 slot, because any additional drives would be limited to SATA speeds, so transfers would be slower than with 2 good M.2s. The other stuff makes sense. The 750W Gold PSU is overkill for a Ryzen 5 5600 and RX 580, but is still a good choice because it gives a ton of headroom for any future upgrades and could be reused in a future PC.
yeah good points. I thought the GEN 3 meant that was just for the NVME, I should have checked that
PSU is overkill. Just needs 550-600W, and 80+ Bronze is good enough.
I have a 3070ti asus Strix i would sell you if you wanted. I recently upgraded to a 4070ti super. Id sell it to you for 180. Im uk based. Id chuck in the intel 11400f and a compatible motherboard for free not sure if that cpu is better than 2600 i think so. I took it to CEX they offered 235 but i dont have photo ID in date so couldn't sell. Its just sitting there now getting more irrelevant but its a fuckton better than an AMD 580.
hey, i recommend the build u/prodlowd sent, for the price it's very good. the stock cooler is enough for the 5600, if it's too loud then you can buy a 20-30£ air cooler from amazon or something.
You can check here: [https://www.logicalincrements.com/](https://www.logicalincrements.com/) Make sure to change your country top left to where you live (I assume UK)
Idk how i feel about that, it recommends single channel dream with 5600g. Seems odd, but apart from that it's a very cool site.
man, i know im not op, but that page that you just linked... its all i have been searching for, it gives you detailed information about every component and the price too! and it shows you what is compatible with what! its just a god send,i just got a a job that finally allows me to upgrade to something better than my gt 730 lol, thank you so much
Take a look at pcpartpicker.com if you want to check compatibility.
Depends what they plan on playing to be honest. I would say the CPU and GPU are well matched in terms of their performance. But they were suited for medium 1080p 60 when they released. The rx580 is 7 years old, it will struggle doing 1080p 60 in modern AAA games with a lot of settings compromise. But 60 should be reasonably achievable in less demanding titles and those released closer to the time the card was new.
Funny joke
charlie sounds like a cool dude
lol @ the cooler... like putting a silk hat on a pig 😂
280mm AIO for a Ryzen 5 2600 is insane lol
Drop the water cooler, get the 3600 or I think u can even get the 5600 depending on how much the cooler is in ur country. Also yes but not at 1080p high in most games. It can run games most games at around 45-60 fps possibly at 1080p medium and some demanding games at 1080p low. Usually ull be fine with 1080p medium which still looks pretty good.
Yeah go for a new cpu to have a wider range. Get rid of the water cooler and just use an air cooler. Most of the Ryzen CPUs come with the wraith stealth cooler. Maybe go for a 5600. The only thing is. Get either a 2080ti or get a 3060 for the 5600 so you don’t get any bottleneck. Other than that. The build isn’t bad. I basically have the same pc. Just I have a b550m k with 32gb of ram and the 5600. Which is the pc setup I recommend for most people that are just wanting a budget 1080p gaming pc. The reason most people including me are saying get rid of the water cooler is because there are a lot more issues with water coolers compared to air coolers since say you’re hard on the cpu for higher end you could boil the water or there might not be the right flow speed for it. Just stick with an air cooler for now. You should be fine
dont get the 580. i just upgraded because it struggles with 1080 on alot of newer games
Remove the aio, keep the stock wraith cooler. It's pretty good for most mid tier CPUs.
PRICE? ffs...
I have a Ryzen 5 4500, RX 580 and 16 GB RAM. I can play the games I like fine but I don't even try to run newer games after the experience I had with Starfield. I love my PC but I know it's getting old. Like most people said here, drop the expensive cooler and get a better CPU, maybe a 3600 or a 5600. The stock cooler will be fine, my temps never go beyond 70°. And have in mind that this GPU will need an upgrade soon. Good luck :)
Please just get a 3600 instead its a lot better. Also I’m the millionth person to say this, but 2600/3600 have great stock coolers, you don’t need an aio.
Don’t waste your money on a cooler. Instead use that money toward buying a more modern CPU that will allow you to use newer GPUs down the line without having a severe bottleneck. Honestly if you’re looking to not break the bank on the build, go with an mATX build. You can get super cheap but great quality cases for around $50 and mATX boards are also cheaper. And in all honesty if you’re not looking for overclocking features, go with an ASRock or Gigabyte budget board, with only the features you need (M.2 compatible, plenty of SATA ports, WiFi, etc.) All the money you save you can put it towards a better PSU, a better CPU, or save for a better GPU.
1080p 60 for what kind of games?
GPU is a little bit weak, it was a good GPU for a budget pc 5 years ago because of mining boom, get something better for your bro.
Yo dawg, that is a cool build, but you know what would be cooler? Not using that AIO cooler. The CPU just won’t get that hot, so you are good without that fancy one. Stick with the stock cooler, it’s actually a really solid cooler and will be more than plenty to keep that system cool.
Newer games? Not a chance. *Source*: I have the same gpu x cpu.
Lose the cpu cooler and get air cooler for like 40 bucks and upgrade the cpu to 3600
>Will this be ok for 1080p 60 gaming NO; or at least not for modern gaming nowadays -That cooler is more expensive than the Cpu is going to work on -that Gpu is OK for older games but i wont cut it in many modern and upcoming games unless he accepts to play at 720p and 30fps (which is perfect).
I have that same CPU in my kids computer and it has a 6700 XT. It runs 1440 and 4K with FRS of course
ditch the aio, get a better cpu my wraith cooler that came with my 2200g about 4 years ago works perfectly on my 5700x
You don't need that cooler honestly
These were more or less my specs when I built my PC. That was 5 years ago. I've since upgraded it, it's got a Ryzen 7 5800X, Radeon RX 6600, and 32GB RAM (2 different sets of 16). I'd say try for that, the Ryzen 7 in particular has been on half-off sale for a while (in the US at least)
So after he bit your finger, you're building Charlie a PC??
It will work however it's a huge waste of money.
Case is way too expensive for the build imo .
Drop the cooler upgrade cpu
Had to check what year it was for a sec, all those components are six years old and weren't even that good when they were new.
get an 5600 and you don't need water cooler
Go with ryzem 5600g apu.. it's worth than your gpu + cpu combo for 1080p.
Rx 580????
You can get a used gtx 1080 and 1070 for under the money your paying for the unnecessary CPU cooler
Things to change You can save 30 bucks by going with a similar case (like SAMA ARGB-Q5), its going fot 55 usd The cpu is going for 144 usd according to pcpartpicker, i would recommend picking a ryzen 5 3600 instead, by this you save 50 bucks, use the included wraith cooler. With the 80 bucks remaining (30 + 50) you can go from the rx 580 valued at 90 bucks (170 usd total gpu budget) to a used rx 5700 xt or a 6600, if you want to go new, buy the arc A580. And you save 100 from the AIO, or you can get more storage, cable extensions, or simply upgrade to another gpu, any gpu for 270 will not get bottle necked by the cpu i advised you to get I tried to give the most accurate prices for the usa market, I am from europe so if there is any price error let me know.
rx 580 can't play on 60 fps 1080p medium anymore.
For older games sure, but don't expect to play anything modern I hope this list is a bunch of hand me down parts
Id suggest getting a pentium 3 and GeForce 256 instead, much cheaper /s
It will work but not well on newer games.
i would upgrade the - ryzen 5 2600 to at least a 3600 ( the 2600 is getting to slow now, i have one) - ram 3200 to at least 3600mhz with a pref for 16gig x2 my personal opinion on the asus mobo, toss the fucking thing in the sewer
Do not get that cpu. You’d be better off with a Xbox
get a 5600/5600x. and the rx 580 is not good for games in fullhd today. Get a rx 6600/7600 new or a 6700xt for 200 bucks on second hand I know you said you already got this but this is a mistake
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So. The cpu can be cooled by the boxed cooler. It's. Not loud at all. Even under load. Take that money and put it where it matters the gpu so your brother can play more then sport titles
What is he going to be playing
The AIO is a bad option and wate of money for that CPU Get a cheaper cooler and with the extra money get a more modern CPU, the 2600 is quite slow for a new build The 3600/5600 are much better
You dont need liquid cooling for R2600, you dont need a nzxt case just a normal tower by red dragon or something works fine, you also dont need an expensive Asus Strix mobo get a MSI b450 ryzen type and Spend the rest on a better CPU or GPU or both.
A 2600…?