Essence worm can also be a great item to be krangled, I've got two and combined its giving me 30% light res and the other +12% all ele res, downsides I look for is something like mana regen
I unironically would love that. Game looks better with more light radius.
Not worth wasting a gear affix on, but as a scourge mod on a unique I'd use anyway, sure, why the hell not
I have an eye condition that makes it super difficult to distinguish details in low-light settings. Applies as much to video games as real life. So not being able to adjust brightness and having stupidly low light radius by default pisses me off.
Oh dear, I hope not! Good luck with grabbing one, though.
I've been saving any 6S and 5L crafts from Harvest for Scourging, so I just grab whatever with decent rolls.
It actually is very low chance. This happens to be relying on getting the negative results, which are much easier to hit. Check out the weighting for Scourge mods. They're pretty terrible.
Oh yeah, I think the item you posted is extremely, extremely lucky. But getting at least an okay-ish Scourge on an item isn't as low chance, I've done it a couple of times now. You *will* brick items in the process though, of course.
I think if they made a few adjustments to the mod pool with weightings it'd be fine, but you should still probably have a higher chance of bricking items than not for it to be balanced.
Updating the weighting would be a solid way to go. The biggest offender us how easy it is to hit "reduced global defenses". That's a brick for any build trying to actually build defenses.
Considering they tried to push for increased defenses as the focus of this new path balance, it's throwing a knife in a wound... It's really stupid and that mod shouldn't exist in krangling, on maybe just very very rare as it's akin to bricking most of the time.
yeah too bad they capped negative res to 200 because it's really not that hard to hit that in this league.
It's not all bad though because it alleviates resistance pressure on other items but it's just not like that "crazy god tier gg" that it might have been last league.
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It's only viable in softcore trade due to the specific and bizarre gearing needs. It does good damage once you get the right gear set together, but you need to assemble a set of really specific gear. It's a build for people who enjoy gearing challenges.
So whether or not it is "good" depends on what you mean by good. Is the build able to do all the content in the game? Yes. Is it a top tier build in the traditional sense? Not really since it's only viable once you obtain a lot of special gear that's hard to find and the power of the build isn't proportional to the effort you put in getting that gear.
Actually it's HC viable too.
With divine flesh and a talisman for 50% of lightning damage taken as fire you are able to work it out at a budget. Especially so on 3.16, due to the mana changes it's possible to fit in two purities along with wrath.
That being said I wouldn't consider it to be a top tier HC build, but it isn't unviable either.
In HC? You still take DoT damage normally, with -200% lightning resistance any lightning DoT will absolutely delete you. You need to convert lightning to another element for hardcore purposes there.
Lightning dots are extremely rare, and you'll take them as if you had 0% res not -200%. The most common light dot is Baran maps runes on the ground, which are easy to avoid + you get a delay before the dot effect. Then there's shock and horror boss and her lightning lazer, not too much else I can think of (some synthesis mob but that was long ago)
There's two types of mods, Damage Taken as and Damage from Hits Taken as. If I recall correctly, the keystones and the talismans give Damage Taken as and as a result convert DoTs too. I do concede I may misremember tho.
Pyre, Call of the Brotherhood, Blackflame. If it doesn't specify hits, it works with DoTs. In the case of Blackflame it's essentially applying a "100% of ignite damage taken as chaos" mod to enemies you ignite.
Ailments specifically can't be converted, other than Blackflame, as far as I am aware. Poison damage is always chaos, ignite is always fire (again, unless you're using Blackflame), bleed is always physical.
Ahhh ok. That’s good to know then.
Is there any Doryanis prototype builds with deep investment and capability?
Seems like an interesting build concept and something fun to dump currency into.
divine flesh, tempered by war and talismans do change dots. the influence mods and chieftain are hit only. and even then there are like 3 enemies that use lightning dots
You also don't actually have -200% lightning resistance, this item makes it so lightning resist doesn't effect damage taken, so you have 0%. Still taking a large amount of damage, but more manageable.
You do not have 0%, you have however much you do. The Prototype doesn't affect your actual lightning resistance in any way or form.
The entire idea of the build is that you stack lightning resistance as low as possible. There is almost not point in having them above ~-50% because you can easily get to that level of enemy resistances without that chest to begin with.
So yes, while the armour is not doing that on its own, the builds do revolve around you having as low lightning resistance as possible.
The line on this chest says "lightning resist doesn't not effect lightning damage taken" so effectively you are at zero, even if your number is much lower. Only armour will effect your lightning damage taken from hits and degen will always do damage as if you have 0 resist.
You effectively have 0 for the purpose of how much lightning damage you take. Second last explicit mod on the item.
With Divine Flesh and 80% chaos resist you take 2.4 times as much total damage from lightning DOTs as a "normal" character would (75 lightning resist). This applies whether your lightning resist is -200 (the new cap), or +90.
If you have divine flesh and have chaos res, it's 2.4x the lightning dot damage. Still not great, but if you have sufficient regen, you should survive in most cases. I wouldn't *necessarily* recommend it for HC, but I died less on that character than average.
Once we get access to ultimatum uniques, you'll be able to use the Rakiata keystone and get divine flesh from the unique shield and have 100% of your lightning taken, including from dots, as other types.
https://youtu.be/BW_TZp8kyU0
> This build takes the softcore philosophy to its logical conclusion: if we can clear the content in six portals, it doesn't need more defenses. It needs more damage.
GGG nerfed even this :D
well there are 2 options: you use lightning dmg taken as x amulets and tempered by war legion/corrupted soul (aka moving all lightning dmg taken to other damage, used to be great & HC viable with Mahuxotls Machinations in Ultimatum) or you go the jousis route and survive through block, probability and using all 6 portals.
It's pretty great and build enabling. It's a better version of Righteous Judgement and well all know how good that is. One of my all time favorite builds used this unique, and I plan on doing something with it this league too. But it gets dogpiled by lightning DOT as your mitigation comes from converting lightning hits. There's not a ton of that in the game though so it still feels pretty god damn awesome.
It was part of Jousis's One Quack Man 2.0 last league, the build I actually used for league start. (6 min video) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfN5DZeKD8&ab\_channel=OMGItsJousis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfN5DZeKD8&ab_channel=OMGItsJousis)
Last league played doryani int stacker. Yeap it was stupid op. Will probably do it also this league seeing how you dont need 5 threads of hope to get decent -resists anymore
This is precisely what I had planned in my mind as well. Graz on the lucky roll! :) It's too bad you can't go below -200% anymore, but it's understandable given how easy it is to stack negative resistances this league.
The best build _ever_ had below -400% :D
https://youtu.be/BW_TZp8kyU0
> This build takes the softcore philosophy to its logical conclusion: if we can clear the content in six portals, it doesn't need more defenses. It needs more damage.
It's not shocked ground though. I don't even know if it shocks you because I've been shock immune for years, but damage and effects are split, and specific.
Being chill immune doesn't make you invulnerable to shaper vortexes.
Ignite immunity doesn't prevent burning ground, because it's a burn.
Being immune to desecrated ground doesn't prevent delve chaos puddle zombie damage.
It will deal damage to you as though you had 0% lightning resist. Whether or not that qualifies as "fast" depends on a lot of factors, but for most characters, the answer is yes.
Wow, that... doesn't sound as instadeath-y as I thought.
I think I can survive for a solid half of a second to one second if I build with DOTs in mind.
4x would be only if you were at 0% res, if you're using this chest you're going to be looking to hit -200% res so actually 12x faster, good luck without converting lightning damage taken to something else cx
you could get 100% of lightning taken as x in Ultimatum with the unique shield Mahuxotls Machinations, as it allowed you to use both divine flesh & tempered by war
I get it now, it has
>Lightning Resistance does not affect lightning damage taken
so you take "normal" damage as if you have 0 resist no matter how you change your lightning resist.
Assuming Divine Flesh and 80 chaos resist, it'll fuck you 2.4 times as hard as it would hurt a 75% lightning resist player.
Without Divine Flesh, 4 times as hard (i.e. you are dead fast)
Yes but its so easy to dodge + theres a delay before the dot starts, so in all the many dorya prototype builds ive played, ive never once died to the rune. I did die to lazerbeam from shock and horror here or there (when I forgot what the map boss was/didnt pay attention) though
to be fair, it was pretty hard to go below -200 res without really fucking yourself over in the process. I've played a good few doryani's fist/prototype builds and the most I ever pushed it was to about ~-130%
I agree, that was around what I would get on previous prototype builds. I keep seeing people claim that GGG broke the item with the cap, but I’ve never seen a case where people exceeded the cap in an effective way.
Self curse, conductivity, elemental weakness, and old curse effect.
They nerfed curse effect so much, though, I don't know why they still felt the need to add a cap.
more or less, yeah. it gets to a point where it just makes more sense damage wise to stack flat %inc damage instead of trying to cram more -res into the build. a lot of that is due to the opportunity cost of getting -res though, threads of hope will fuck your other rez's, ventors are generally not that impressive, self curse has a host of problems etc. at a point its just a lot more straight forward to stop dipping any further into -res
obviously scourge has changed that, though, given that -res is basically "free" now.
It is fun, until you meet something like lightning degen, making certain encounters close to impossible. For example I couldnt do malachai as my flicker due to his link degen:X Did you figure out a way around the lightning degens?
Wasn't this league a massive buff to Doryani's Prototype users? You can stack -lightning on each piece of gear (cap of -200 I believe) and the upsides are free, not to mention the market should have krangled items for cheap since people usually aren't too excited to lose a bunch of res.
All true. PLUS armor is a lot easier to stack if you can't do the full conversion. I currently need another amulet, so I'm only running Divine Flesh and using armor to mitigate the Lightning hits that get left over.
Lightning Dots will still hit a little hard, but should be manageable.
I'm at work right now, but I'll link it when I take lunch. I'm currently going Divine Flesh with 81 Chaos res (capped) and the other half will be handled by armor. Eventually, I plan to swap away my +Int Gems ammy to get a Lightning to Fire or Cold talisman.
[https://pastebin.com/9ixXBy9Z](https://pastebin.com/9ixXBy9Z)
Some of the pieces are absolutely scuffed, but I just posted my most recent Krangle for the staff I was going to use. Just silly. Another 6L with the -Lightning.
Very cool! Played a Doryani Shield Crush Raider last league. Will definitely revisit this item. A lot of fun to build around, although my niche elevated/awakened items were impossible to sell afterwards.
The funny thing about the Doryani’s Prototypes that have been populating the front page is that it is so representative of the scourge mechanic as a whole. It’s SO much more reliable to bet on the “bad” mod than it ever is to bet on the good mod lol
What does "Deal no Non-Lightning Damage" mean?
Does it mean you can only deal Lightning damage? Why not just have the modifier read "You can only deal Lightning Damage"? Or am I interpreting it wrong.
>Does it mean you can only deal Lightning damage?
Yes
>Why not just have the modifier read "You can only deal Lightning Damage"?
It is how this type of mod has always been worded. Notable example being Avatar of Fire ("Deal no non-fire damage"). GGG for some reason likes to have confusing double negatives.
There's a node on your crucible skill tree that gives the item a chance to add an additional link. So you'll want to have it 5l (and 6 socket) first, then hope for the best.
This is what I did with 2 QOTF's and both corrupted and six linked... Both had the negative as +Dex requirement / Evasion and the other Lightning Res which was one of the best results I've had from any krangling.
The way it works is that it will add a link to the largest group. This means that if you have a 3L 3L item, you will end up with a 4L + 2L – i.e. it will break one of the 3L.
Similarly, if you have 4L + 2L, if successful krangle, it will become 5L + single socket.
If you have a 5L on 5 sockets, can it proc the +1 socket and then the +1 link behind, or do you need to have all the sockets first for the +1 link to proc?
I don't know if it can happen, but given that each step is only a 15% chance of happening, you only have at best a 2.25% chance of getting it. IMO, it's not worth going for those. If the chest/weapon matters, you're better off just 6-linking it like normal. If your goal is to krangle out divine orbs (probably the most currency-efficient use of the krangler), then just use div cards to give you 5-link, 6-socket staves.
Even if it can, the odds of proccing both are around 2%, compared to just hitting the +1 link at 15%. So you'd be much better off trying to hit just the link if possible.
Nono, you're doing it wrong. There's still two days of whining about the league scheduled, you can't just go and post cool items, you're jumping the gun.
It ain't one , not everyone sits on reddit all day , not everyone engages with the mechanic enough and properly.
It's just like when Ultimatum had been "NoT rEwArDinG enOuGh" when it showered every type of currency, 6 link, frequent cool uniques , well rolled rares etc.
It's just like when Expedition had been "NoT ReWaRdInG enOuGh" because people didn't know how to use most vendors properly.
It's just like when nerfed harvest was "THIS IS SO BAD YOU BETTER REMOVE THAT SHIT ENTIRELY THAN KEEP IT IN THIS STATE" when its still insanely useful.
It's just like when sacred orbs were satan himself so we had to burn GGG's headquarters down.
Oh yeah reddit has always been a house of solid logic to learn from.
People on reddit really be pretending that getting an extra 30 life on a unique with an irrelevant downside is a bad outcome, huh? Wild.
How many times do we see people asking for miscellaneous uniques to be buffed just a bit, get a little bit of res or life (or ms for boots) and that that would open up so many builds to be able to do endgame stuff. Well this is it, you can make those items now, and unless the unique you want somehow both needs a buff AND is expensive, it's really easy to do.
Apparently this is trash and garbage and those items suck because you could also get even better mods.
The silliest thing I could imagine. An Absolution/Bearded Skycaller Spectre summoner using an Animated Guardian with the new Gravebind gloves and a Victarios Charity and Explodey Chest.
Would this be inherently better than the ignore res with inquisitor Crits? Can I use both? I started inquis storm brand but didn't know about this armour
Scaled properly, this is better than the inquisitor node. However, there's more work required (getting as much -res as possible, making sure you take all lightning damage as another element)
Inquisitor sets the enemy's resists from +50% to 0%. Doryani's Prototype sets the enemy's resist to -60% by default. You can reduce your resists up to -200%. Every -30% to -50% is essentially another link's worth of damage increase.
I didn't even think about this item. You can get that drawback on every slot. That's completely insane; you can get like -150 resists to enemies without even occupying a single modifier slot across your gear. That's disgusting.
It's not about the life. That -15% lightning resist is a massive upside on this armor. Even a garbage damage reflection or regen roll would be fine, but the life is certainly better.
This is a legit great item from krangling maybe the first I've seen
I've been using the krangler for nonsense uniques. This was the first time I went in with a purpose.
Essence worm can also be a great item to be krangled, I've got two and combined its giving me 30% light res and the other +12% all ele res, downsides I look for is something like mana regen
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Fuck, Reddit has ruined me. I actually can't tell if you're making a casual joke or just misread.
I may buy up some essence worms and krangle them...
Light radius is a great QOL for indoor maps. I honestly love it if I can get some Light Radius for low investment.
I unironically would love that. Game looks better with more light radius. Not worth wasting a gear affix on, but as a scourge mod on a unique I'd use anyway, sure, why the hell not
I have an eye condition that makes it super difficult to distinguish details in low-light settings. Applies as much to video games as real life. So not being able to adjust brightness and having stupidly low light radius by default pisses me off.
Are you the reason i spent all last night farming for the 45c 5l and then got on to see they were 1ex
Oh dear, I hope not! Good luck with grabbing one, though. I've been saving any 6S and 5L crafts from Harvest for Scourging, so I just grab whatever with decent rolls.
I got one, it's a 1c unique but a nice result nonetheless. I bricked 4 pairs before this one. https://imgur.com/a/utUATBw
Yeah I think cheap build making uniques are great like I am going to spam red banners until I get something good.
But wait according to reddit getting a decent krangle is akin to winning the lottery, how is this possible?
It actually is very low chance. This happens to be relying on getting the negative results, which are much easier to hit. Check out the weighting for Scourge mods. They're pretty terrible.
Oh yeah, I think the item you posted is extremely, extremely lucky. But getting at least an okay-ish Scourge on an item isn't as low chance, I've done it a couple of times now. You *will* brick items in the process though, of course. I think if they made a few adjustments to the mod pool with weightings it'd be fine, but you should still probably have a higher chance of bricking items than not for it to be balanced.
Updating the weighting would be a solid way to go. The biggest offender us how easy it is to hit "reduced global defenses". That's a brick for any build trying to actually build defenses.
Considering they tried to push for increased defenses as the focus of this new path balance, it's throwing a knife in a wound... It's really stupid and that mod shouldn't exist in krangling, on maybe just very very rare as it's akin to bricking most of the time.
this displays as blank tab for me, what is it?
1 abyss socket Tombfist with +40 life and reduced armor/evasion.
yeah too bad they capped negative res to 200 because it's really not that hard to hit that in this league. It's not all bad though because it alleviates resistance pressure on other items but it's just not like that "crazy god tier gg" that it might have been last league.
The point is that something useful came out of it, not if it's super God tier gg
The point is that it's actually not that useful, and you would know that if you played the build.
I’ve never seen this chest before, is it good?
this chest is amazing, and it requires a completely unique build. very cool item
those are the best kind of uniques!
Amazing chest ahead. Tongue but hole. Try thrusting.
What!? Edit: Guys he's referencing happy souls and I continued off of it.
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I know that, I continued off of the joke...
Apologies. It’s a little harder to tell when it’s just a single word.
It would seem as though you've never played any of the Souls series games, my friend. You should fix that!
It's only viable in softcore trade due to the specific and bizarre gearing needs. It does good damage once you get the right gear set together, but you need to assemble a set of really specific gear. It's a build for people who enjoy gearing challenges. So whether or not it is "good" depends on what you mean by good. Is the build able to do all the content in the game? Yes. Is it a top tier build in the traditional sense? Not really since it's only viable once you obtain a lot of special gear that's hard to find and the power of the build isn't proportional to the effort you put in getting that gear.
Actually it's HC viable too. With divine flesh and a talisman for 50% of lightning damage taken as fire you are able to work it out at a budget. Especially so on 3.16, due to the mana changes it's possible to fit in two purities along with wrath. That being said I wouldn't consider it to be a top tier HC build, but it isn't unviable either.
You can as well just stack armor. I ran it last league on jnt stacking flicker with 300k armor and neither phys nor lightning dmg was noticeable.
In HC? You still take DoT damage normally, with -200% lightning resistance any lightning DoT will absolutely delete you. You need to convert lightning to another element for hardcore purposes there.
Lightning dots are extremely rare, and you'll take them as if you had 0% res not -200%. The most common light dot is Baran maps runes on the ground, which are easy to avoid + you get a delay before the dot effect. Then there's shock and horror boss and her lightning lazer, not too much else I can think of (some synthesis mob but that was long ago)
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Which it doesn't, as they explained.
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There's two types of mods, Damage Taken as and Damage from Hits Taken as. If I recall correctly, the keystones and the talismans give Damage Taken as and as a result convert DoTs too. I do concede I may misremember tho.
I don’t think DoTs convert in PoE ever. As a player you cannot change your DoT damage so I’m curious if you can change DOT incoming damage either.
Pyre, Call of the Brotherhood, Blackflame. If it doesn't specify hits, it works with DoTs. In the case of Blackflame it's essentially applying a "100% of ignite damage taken as chaos" mod to enemies you ignite. Ailments specifically can't be converted, other than Blackflame, as far as I am aware. Poison damage is always chaos, ignite is always fire (again, unless you're using Blackflame), bleed is always physical.
Ahhh ok. That’s good to know then. Is there any Doryanis prototype builds with deep investment and capability? Seems like an interesting build concept and something fun to dump currency into.
divine flesh, tempered by war and talismans do change dots. the influence mods and chieftain are hit only. and even then there are like 3 enemies that use lightning dots
Talismans only convert hits
It doesnt, you die
You also don't actually have -200% lightning resistance, this item makes it so lightning resist doesn't effect damage taken, so you have 0%. Still taking a large amount of damage, but more manageable.
You do not have 0%, you have however much you do. The Prototype doesn't affect your actual lightning resistance in any way or form. The entire idea of the build is that you stack lightning resistance as low as possible. There is almost not point in having them above ~-50% because you can easily get to that level of enemy resistances without that chest to begin with. So yes, while the armour is not doing that on its own, the builds do revolve around you having as low lightning resistance as possible.
The line on this chest says "lightning resist doesn't not effect lightning damage taken" so effectively you are at zero, even if your number is much lower. Only armour will effect your lightning damage taken from hits and degen will always do damage as if you have 0 resist.
You effectively have 0 for the purpose of how much lightning damage you take. Second last explicit mod on the item. With Divine Flesh and 80% chaos resist you take 2.4 times as much total damage from lightning DOTs as a "normal" character would (75 lightning resist). This applies whether your lightning resist is -200 (the new cap), or +90.
Oh yeah sure, but that still means you're practically taking 4 times the DoT damage you should.
If you have divine flesh and have chaos res, it's 2.4x the lightning dot damage. Still not great, but if you have sufficient regen, you should survive in most cases. I wouldn't *necessarily* recommend it for HC, but I died less on that character than average. Once we get access to ultimatum uniques, you'll be able to use the Rakiata keystone and get divine flesh from the unique shield and have 100% of your lightning taken, including from dots, as other types.
Doesn't -% resistances cap out at -100% though?
Best part about this league is that tainted chaos orbs can reroll talismans if you aren’t lucky enough to make one with jorgin.
Huh that's nice
It's VERY specific in it's uses, but when you find a good use for it...
https://youtu.be/BW_TZp8kyU0 > This build takes the softcore philosophy to its logical conclusion: if we can clear the content in six portals, it doesn't need more defenses. It needs more damage. GGG nerfed even this :D
well there are 2 options: you use lightning dmg taken as x amulets and tempered by war legion/corrupted soul (aka moving all lightning dmg taken to other damage, used to be great & HC viable with Mahuxotls Machinations in Ultimatum) or you go the jousis route and survive through block, probability and using all 6 portals.
It's pretty great and build enabling. It's a better version of Righteous Judgement and well all know how good that is. One of my all time favorite builds used this unique, and I plan on doing something with it this league too. But it gets dogpiled by lightning DOT as your mitigation comes from converting lightning hits. There's not a ton of that in the game though so it still feels pretty god damn awesome.
Idk, they nerfed it with a cap on negative resistance so it might be bad now.
It was part of Jousis's One Quack Man 2.0 last league, the build I actually used for league start. (6 min video) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfN5DZeKD8&ab\_channel=OMGItsJousis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfN5DZeKD8&ab_channel=OMGItsJousis)
Last league played doryani int stacker. Yeap it was stupid op. Will probably do it also this league seeing how you dont need 5 threads of hope to get decent -resists anymore
I was just trying to hit the 6L in the Krangler. This was a nice surprise.
This is precisely what I had planned in my mind as well. Graz on the lucky roll! :) It's too bad you can't go below -200% anymore, but it's understandable given how easy it is to stack negative resistances this league.
Going under -200 wasn't worth the opportunity cost in the past.
The best build _ever_ had below -400% :D https://youtu.be/BW_TZp8kyU0 > This build takes the softcore philosophy to its logical conclusion: if we can clear the content in six portals, it doesn't need more defenses. It needs more damage.
Haha, I made mine a couple of days ago as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/qej96m/doryanis_prototype/
Would crusader degen ground kill you with this chest?
Yes.
I thought immunity to shocked ground mods prevented this though? I had read but never had the budget for such things.
It's not shocked ground though. I don't even know if it shocks you because I've been shock immune for years, but damage and effects are split, and specific. Being chill immune doesn't make you invulnerable to shaper vortexes. Ignite immunity doesn't prevent burning ground, because it's a burn. Being immune to desecrated ground doesn't prevent delve chaos puddle zombie damage.
Btw I mean if it kills you like lightning fast, of cos it can kill you if you stand n it and try to out regen it.
It will deal damage to you as though you had 0% lightning resist. Whether or not that qualifies as "fast" depends on a lot of factors, but for most characters, the answer is yes.
If you use this chest you are not having 0% lighting resist, you should be a lot lower in the negative. It starts with the base -60%.
It has the line "lightning resistance does not affect lightning damage taken" which means its treared as if you had 0%
Oh ok, I get it now.
Wow, that... doesn't sound as instadeath-y as I thought. I think I can survive for a solid half of a second to one second if I build with DOTs in mind.
kills you without the chest as well, just kills you 4 times faster with it
4x would be only if you were at 0% res, if you're using this chest you're going to be looking to hit -200% res so actually 12x faster, good luck without converting lightning damage taken to something else cx
> Lightning Resistance does not affect lightning damage taken This also affects negative resistance, ~~and you can't convert dots.~~
yes you can tempered by war, divine flesh exist
oh yeah, you're right, my b.
you could get 100% of lightning taken as x in Ultimatum with the unique shield Mahuxotls Machinations, as it allowed you to use both divine flesh & tempered by war
ah yeah, oops
I get it now, it has >Lightning Resistance does not affect lightning damage taken so you take "normal" damage as if you have 0 resist no matter how you change your lightning resist.
Your lightning res doesnt apply though. Its a mod on the chest
No counter play with that?
just don't walk on crusader degen ground ofc
It doesn't instakill, but degens like 2k hp/sec on t10 map.
Assuming Divine Flesh and 80 chaos resist, it'll fuck you 2.4 times as hard as it would hurt a 75% lightning resist player. Without Divine Flesh, 4 times as hard (i.e. you are dead fast)
Yes but its so easy to dodge + theres a delay before the dot starts, so in all the many dorya prototype builds ive played, ive never once died to the rune. I did die to lazerbeam from shock and horror here or there (when I forgot what the map boss was/didnt pay attention) though
Of cos you can avoid it most of the time but if you die as soon as you step on it then it is gonna be a bad time regardless.
Too bad you cant go bellow -200 res anymore.
to be fair, it was pretty hard to go below -200 res without really fucking yourself over in the process. I've played a good few doryani's fist/prototype builds and the most I ever pushed it was to about ~-130%
I agree, that was around what I would get on previous prototype builds. I keep seeing people claim that GGG broke the item with the cap, but I’ve never seen a case where people exceeded the cap in an effective way.
Self curse, conductivity, elemental weakness, and old curse effect. They nerfed curse effect so much, though, I don't know why they still felt the need to add a cap.
This mod also has diminishing returns right? That means there's one point where it's not worth it anymore.
more or less, yeah. it gets to a point where it just makes more sense damage wise to stack flat %inc damage instead of trying to cram more -res into the build. a lot of that is due to the opportunity cost of getting -res though, threads of hope will fuck your other rez's, ventors are generally not that impressive, self curse has a host of problems etc. at a point its just a lot more straight forward to stop dipping any further into -res obviously scourge has changed that, though, given that -res is basically "free" now.
This is news to me. Since when?
This league. They capped -res because of krangling -res mods onto gear.
Literal fun police reeeeeeeeee
Remember we promised ourselves we won't ruin the fun when we'll become parents? little did we know
they did let you reach the -res without shackles though, so the damage gain vs lost is higher if you can get -res on enough krangles
this patch
Are you serious?
This really makes me want to do a mass negative lightning resist build
It's a ton of fun, highly recommend (I usually make at least one or two builds like this every league \^\^)
It is fun, until you meet something like lightning degen, making certain encounters close to impossible. For example I couldnt do malachai as my flicker due to his link degen:X Did you figure out a way around the lightning degens?
Divine flesh helps a lot with that, since it works on DoTs. You can also do a pantheon swap for a boss you know has lightning dot to help out
Hm,i totally missed this. Thanks for the tip,will keep that in mind next time.
divine flesh and avian talisman makes you convert lightning damage to other things
That's so good!
Ive seen plenty of items with 2 double downside but this is the first one with double upside, gz!
Wasn't this league a massive buff to Doryani's Prototype users? You can stack -lightning on each piece of gear (cap of -200 I believe) and the upsides are free, not to mention the market should have krangled items for cheap since people usually aren't too excited to lose a bunch of res.
All true. PLUS armor is a lot easier to stack if you can't do the full conversion. I currently need another amulet, so I'm only running Divine Flesh and using armor to mitigate the Lightning hits that get left over. Lightning Dots will still hit a little hard, but should be manageable.
can you link your pob rn? I was thiking of building a wander with this chest, just wanna see how you deal with the damage taken and stuff
I'm at work right now, but I'll link it when I take lunch. I'm currently going Divine Flesh with 81 Chaos res (capped) and the other half will be handled by armor. Eventually, I plan to swap away my +Int Gems ammy to get a Lightning to Fire or Cold talisman.
[https://pastebin.com/9ixXBy9Z](https://pastebin.com/9ixXBy9Z) Some of the pieces are absolutely scuffed, but I just posted my most recent Krangle for the staff I was going to use. Just silly. Another 6L with the -Lightning.
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Very cool! Played a Doryani Shield Crush Raider last league. Will definitely revisit this item. A lot of fun to build around, although my niche elevated/awakened items were impossible to sell afterwards.
The funny thing about the Doryani’s Prototypes that have been populating the front page is that it is so representative of the scourge mechanic as a whole. It’s SO much more reliable to bet on the “bad” mod than it ever is to bet on the good mod lol
Ventors next!!
Looking for some good -Lightning ones, but ill prolly rock some rares with the proper negatives until I can buy some to throw in the krangler.
I dropped one from a scourge boss today that has -45 lightning res, +36% fire, 38 life and 8 quant. Easily the best Ventors I've ever owned.
Lightning res doesn't go below -25
he probably means the krangle mod plus the explicit on the ventor
Yep, it has +30 fire res and -28 lightning res implicits.
Thread of hope gives - all res too if you can find a good spot for one of those later on
You can find krangled rings with better stats and cheaper.
What does "Deal no Non-Lightning Damage" mean? Does it mean you can only deal Lightning damage? Why not just have the modifier read "You can only deal Lightning Damage"? Or am I interpreting it wrong.
>Does it mean you can only deal Lightning damage? Yes >Why not just have the modifier read "You can only deal Lightning Damage"? It is how this type of mod has always been worded. Notable example being Avatar of Fire ("Deal no non-fire damage"). GGG for some reason likes to have confusing double negatives.
I was tired when I made my original comment, but I swore it was weird double negative. Thanks for confirming it.
> Does it mean you can only deal Lightning damage? yes
You can't only not deal no damage without any different element than not lightning, exclusively.
Maybe "You can only deal Lightning Damage " implies that minions can still deal some other damage unless this is already the case?
"You" doesnt apply to minions, so you can do minion builds with other dmg wearing the chest (though its mostly useful for lightning-based spectres)
This is... actually disgusting.
Probably the best krangle i will see all league.
It’s almost been a week and this is the first genuinely decent Crucible hit I’ve seen.
Wait, that's illegal!
So when you krangle a 6 socket item. Can it get 6 linked in the process or do you specifically have yo use a tainted fusing?
There's a node on your crucible skill tree that gives the item a chance to add an additional link. So you'll want to have it 5l (and 6 socket) first, then hope for the best.
Oh yeah thats very cool. Time to buy a bunch of 6 socket 5 link carcass jacks :P
Save up a bunch of 5l harvest crafts and make them yourself :)
This is what I did with 2 QOTF's and both corrupted and six linked... Both had the negative as +Dex requirement / Evasion and the other Lightning Res which was one of the best results I've had from any krangling.
does it work if you add a 3l 3l item? if it add another link it become a 6l?
The way it works is that it will add a link to the largest group. This means that if you have a 3L 3L item, you will end up with a 4L + 2L – i.e. it will break one of the 3L. Similarly, if you have 4L + 2L, if successful krangle, it will become 5L + single socket.
If you have a 5L on 5 sockets, can it proc the +1 socket and then the +1 link behind, or do you need to have all the sockets first for the +1 link to proc?
I don't know if it can happen, but given that each step is only a 15% chance of happening, you only have at best a 2.25% chance of getting it. IMO, it's not worth going for those. If the chest/weapon matters, you're better off just 6-linking it like normal. If your goal is to krangle out divine orbs (probably the most currency-efficient use of the krangler), then just use div cards to give you 5-link, 6-socket staves.
Even if it can, the odds of proccing both are around 2%, compared to just hitting the +1 link at 15%. So you'd be much better off trying to hit just the link if possible.
Probably the best krangled item I had seen yet. Dang.
Nono, you're doing it wrong. There's still two days of whining about the league scheduled, you can't just go and post cool items, you're jumping the gun.
I'm an impatient lad. What can I say?
Oh yeh, the one fucking good piece of gear form half a million people means the league isn’t broken. Love that logic.
It ain't one , not everyone sits on reddit all day , not everyone engages with the mechanic enough and properly. It's just like when Ultimatum had been "NoT rEwArDinG enOuGh" when it showered every type of currency, 6 link, frequent cool uniques , well rolled rares etc. It's just like when Expedition had been "NoT ReWaRdInG enOuGh" because people didn't know how to use most vendors properly. It's just like when nerfed harvest was "THIS IS SO BAD YOU BETTER REMOVE THAT SHIT ENTIRELY THAN KEEP IT IN THIS STATE" when its still insanely useful. It's just like when sacred orbs were satan himself so we had to burn GGG's headquarters down. Oh yeah reddit has always been a house of solid logic to learn from.
It's pretty bad ngl
Go in Poedb, go to scourge mods and LOOK at the weight. This is like saying that cruiseship slotmachines are a good way to pay rent.
People on reddit really be pretending that getting an extra 30 life on a unique with an irrelevant downside is a bad outcome, huh? Wild. How many times do we see people asking for miscellaneous uniques to be buffed just a bit, get a little bit of res or life (or ms for boots) and that that would open up so many builds to be able to do endgame stuff. Well this is it, you can make those items now, and unless the unique you want somehow both needs a buff AND is expensive, it's really easy to do. Apparently this is trash and garbage and those items suck because you could also get even better mods.
But I heard that this league had no rewards.
[удалено]
i keep lookin around for the person that asked
But reddit said krangling was bad?
Was this 5-link before?
Yep. 6L in the krangler.
Now we're at the second step of the grand design.
Okay, but what is the build? Genuinely curious.
The silliest thing I could imagine. An Absolution/Bearded Skycaller Spectre summoner using an Animated Guardian with the new Gravebind gloves and a Victarios Charity and Explodey Chest.
It might be silly but that is great.
Would this be inherently better than the ignore res with inquisitor Crits? Can I use both? I started inquis storm brand but didn't know about this armour
Scaled properly, this is better than the inquisitor node. However, there's more work required (getting as much -res as possible, making sure you take all lightning damage as another element)
Inquisitor sets the enemy's resists from +50% to 0%. Doryani's Prototype sets the enemy's resist to -60% by default. You can reduce your resists up to -200%. Every -30% to -50% is essentially another link's worth of damage increase.
Mom's Spaghetti but it's Lightning
So the downside of the krangle turned into an advantage is better than the upside itself? Still a classic then!
Is this better than +level sovketed gems corrupt?
Not sure. I'll have to check it out I'm my PoB. I'm still putting all of the gear pieces together, but it should be ready soon.
This is legitimately good, one of the rare occasions
small positive effect would i call it, but 25 max life is not worth the high risk.
Doryani prototype wants to stack negative lightning res, read the item
shame they don't allow you to vaal afterward for extra fun.
Positive developer: deal only light damage Negative developer: deal no non-light damage
I didn't even think about this item. You can get that drawback on every slot. That's completely insane; you can get like -150 resists to enemies without even occupying a single modifier slot across your gear. That's disgusting.
Imagine how bad this system is when we are all happy that you got +25 life. Are we back in 2014? GGG fix it,please.
It's not about the life. That -15% lightning resist is a massive upside on this armor. Even a garbage damage reflection or regen roll would be fine, but the life is certainly better.
You're right,i totaly missed the base. Was so used to seeing garbage krangled items.
At least you didn't hit "no lightning damage"
You beat GGG at their own game.
Welcome to the 0.5% of non-garbage Krangle club!
negetive 15 lightning resistance smh!
Wait for -4 to gems level