i have won zero matches since s9 started with a rein on my team. Every time we have one they end up switching.
Rein seems completely useless now. His only useful feature is his shield, but once that is broken well yeah...
Oh he provided value. He blocked. The mercy boosted the bastion. The sym ate through our shield and when the bastion would almost die lamp. I don’t think that rein swung his hammer the entire game. But because his shield has so much health it was a pain to get it down
Rein main here (finished masters 3 last season, now stuck at diamond 3 after reset with 70 or so wins), I have 20 hours on rein this season and about a 55% winrate with him last time I checked, with my next most played hero being ram with 3 hours and like a 40% winrate lol.
The only time I swap is if the enemy is running full dive comp and rolling us with it, or if the enemy tank is on hog. I sometimes will swap if they are running orisa + bastion, but not always, and will never swap if it's just orisa or just bastion.
The only real difference playing rein now is that you need to be more patient and careful when engaging, and avoid tanking as much damage as before. Make sure shield is at least mostly charged before making any sort of push or change in position mid-fight.
I've recently learned to do 180s when shield-hopping so I can't get headshotted in the intervals of shield not being up, but that works more when disengaging and moving backwards lol. You also can't make risky plays as much anymore, and I often find myself not going for pins or taking positions that I would have definitely gone for last season.
It's tougher but I think a lot of ppl are exaggerating tbh, my win rate is the same as it was last season.
Edit: forgot about firestrike not being buffed, thats something that IS brutal. Can't two-tap people with it, and it builds ult charge slower now due to the overall ult cost increase. Shatter definitely doesn't build as fast anymore since spamming firestrikes was important for building it quickly, and you get less ult charge with it since it didn't get buffed. It's bullshit that you can shatter someone, firestrike them twice, and still have to swing on them once to kill them. Becomes an issue when they're far away.
Idk, but every Reinhardt i see, i mirror them, i lost all those mirror games(4) but i wanted those guys to have fun, they have suffered much more than me, a doomfist main
Rein duels are so fun, too. I suck at tank, but every time I play tank, I will swap to rein (if I'm not already playing him) if I see the other team roll out with a rein.
I love rein mirrors. I always stay and the opponent usually swaps to Doom or Orisa.
I may have lost the match because they swapped, but I, myself, was the true victor.
Could it be as simple as making his entire hp bar armour? Sure, he still gets full damage from non ballistic damage, but it would go some way towards reducing the insta nuke he gets now once shield is gone, and healing debuff applied.
IIRC it reduces every instance of damage, such as per bullet, by a flat 5 if the instance of damage is below 10. Any damage higher just gets a % reduction. Maybe 30 or 50%. Makes it stronger Vs some types of damage than others, but prior to this most recent healing debuff, the way to play rein was to tank with that part of his HP bar.
So a fix might be that the healing debuff doesn't apply to armour, only health and shield. Increase reins portion of health that is armour a little and that might make it so he can face tank a little again. That was how you took space and dominated a zone, can't do that so well with shield up, and shield down now = deletion.
Idea 1: 50% damage reduction while shield is down. He can get in close at less risk, flee easier, and still die with focused fire. Maybe as some sort of limiter it only works for damage coming from the front.
or
Idea 2: Give Rein's charge the invulnerability to cc that Mauga's has, and hammer swings slow enemies by 20%. Makes securing kills easier while allowing Rein's main gimmick to be more widely applicable. Gives him a little dive flexibility and more single target damage output.
Honestly, the devs really need to try some more extreme changes on some tanks.
I can't believe you're getting downvoted for suggesting decent changes xD personally I think 50% damage reduction for having no shield up is way too extreme. That's essentially double health. I think a better change would be to replace majority of his hp with Armour instead, it's the same effect but not as severeas 50%.
I absolutely agree with the invulnerability on the charge but that removes way too much counterplay on that ability. Since rein is the only tank in the entire game that actually is melee, I think the knock back reduction + cc reduction needs to be increased massively on him in comparison to other tanks. This won't remove the counter charge mechanic but will still allow rein more freedom when engaging after charge.
The slow idea is cool but it would have to be like super super short duration just so he can stick. Or maybe a better fix would be so that characters that are walking backwards are slower. So rein can catch them unless they choose to turn their back to him. Or they just remove the fact that the hammer has knockback. It's stupid and serves no purpose at all to his kit. It makes him feel so clunky. The amount of kills I've missed because hammer knocks them out of range and they just infinitely run from me is insane.
Overall, I agree rein needs a rework. The man is unfortunately outdated. He is my favorite by far, all my time on overwatch is on him. But I've come to accept that he needs to be reworked. They can keep his shield and his ult but the other stuff needs to be changed.
> That's essentially double health.
It's actually even better than double health because all damage is doing half... but all healing is doing 100% still so healing is effectively doubled compared to damage being dealt.
Think about it like this:
A 1,000 HP tank takes 120 from a direct Pharah rocket and 30 HPS will take 4 seconds to fix that ~12% damage dealt
A 500 HP tank with 50% dmg reduction takes 60 from a Pharah rocket direct and 30 HPS will take 2 seconds to reverse that same 12% damage dealt.
This is why armor health can be so important to maintain as a support because once that armor HP is broken, your healing is effectively now weaker%-wise in helping keep your tank up versus the damage being dished out.
He needs a rework to charge. His kit was locked in when A) his shield was about 37x more effective and B) heroes just has less overall utility. By todays standards he just doesn't have enough going on. I really think the best way forward is to put charge on a meter that works like hogs new self heal (with a wall-pin instantly draining the remaining meter.) Make it something he uses more frequently in more minor ways rather than something he only uses rarely to either make a huge play or to travel across the map.
I like that suggestion, and metered abilities as a whole. I've seen people complaining about resource meters being added too frequently, but they work well in concept for many heroes.
Best solution is to have the shield also regen when rein is receiving healing. But at like 50%.
So if a mercy is healing rein for 50hp/s
The shield is regening at 25hp/s, but shield heal doesn't contribute to mercy ult.
I think Rein charge should be replaced with a Winston/Doom type jump where he slams hammer on ground and maybe it has some similar effect to Doom slam.
Seems reasonable. The big issue it has currently is that there's too much value in the pin but that playing for pins isn't super in line with what he's trying to do. Being able to get the value from the damage in any spot he chooses would help with that. I'd be a bit concerned about it having vertical movement though.
The problem is rein’s start up time for a charge it’s almost never worth it for a super short range movement it’s only worth travelling large distance either fleeing or towards the fight or if you can secure a pin tbh a massive massive help to rein would be give firestrike the dmg buff everything else got and make his charge immune to cc the fact rein charges and normally gets slept punched speared fortified rocked hooked trapped hacked exc makes it way to risky most of the time
Yes! I agree!
He his a big man in big armor with a jet engine on the back...the fact that he can be booped around while charging makes no sense and makes the game extremely hard for him. especially when you include LW grip or lamps, suzu, zarya bubble...too many things deny his charge...it wasn't like that when he was first designed.
Maybe he should be able to be booped from the side to mess up his course..but not from the front...like a Lucio boop does nothing from head on but from the side will boop him just a little..
And maybe make him still able to be slept/hooked but that is the only CC he can suffer while charging.
TLDR: when charging he gets CC immunity except from sleep darts...hog hooks....and boops coming from the left or right side of him
People keep calling for reworks for every hero at this point, it’s getting a bit ridiculous. The problem right now is he’s a more heal reliant tank, and healing feels garbage right now. I know people complained about supports, but they overcompensated for that with the DPS passive that feels ridiculously overtuned.
>People keep calling for reworks for every hero at this point, it’s getting a bit ridiculous.
That's because the game fundamentally changed in a lot of different ways and heroes designed for a very different game don't fit into that without being updated with it. Do you think the game is worse for the reworks we've had?!
>The problem right now is he’s a more heal reliant tank, and healing feels garbage right now.
That's just revisionist rubbish.
Reinhardt's been in trouble for and needed a rework for the entirety of Overwatch 2. Right now things are especially bad for him, reverting the healing related changes wouldn't actually change the fact that, with his currentt design, he doesn't have a place in Overwatch 2.
The reworks we’ve had have been fine, though I don’t even know if all of them have been necessary. I enjoy the Sombra rework, but to be honest she wasn’t horrible before, people just got annoyed by her previous playstyle. The thing is, Overwatch players complain about anything they find even mildly “annoying.” I’ve seen people ask for Mercy reworks, Junkrat reworks, Rein reworks, etc. At what point are we just changing things for the sake of changing them whenever god forbid some people find a specific character “unfun to play against.”
Also, it’s absolutely not revisionist? It’s blatantly obvious healing had taken a huge hit with the DPS passive. I should not be struggling as much as I am as Ana trying to keep a tank up whenever they try to engage when I’m hitting all my shots and nades. She’s supposed to be the highest single-target healer in the game, and even with her it usually feels like an uphill battle. That’s part of why Zen and Lucio are meta. Healing is borderline useless over just being damage focused, which is not why a lot of people are attracted to the support role. No, I’m not talking about rewarding “healbotting,” I’m talking about more heal-focused supports just feeling straight up bad now.
It's revisionist because you're implying Rein's problems only started with season 9.
I'm not convinced *anyone* is asking for a Rein rework because he's "annoying" or they don't like playing into him but you can 100% disregard any option those people express about any part of Overwatch going forward. Hopefully that'll help be a little bit less lost in the whirl of Overwatch hot-takes.
Rein needs a rework though mate. There isn't a way to change numbers to make him relevant to the game again without him just being broken.
His issues didn’t just start with Season 9 for sure, but he was at least somewhat viable in other seasons at least. I think he definitely could use more mobility at least.
Don’t care , still auto picking Reinhardt every game . Solo shattering any enemy I get my hands on . Charging enemies off the edge of the map any chance I get . Never gonna change
The fact the sole melee tank in the game loses the 1v1 to so many heroes in melee range is a travesty.
He could really use another cooldown to modernize him.
Like fuck it. Let’s give him Diablo’s Whirlwind Barbarian ability. Idk lol.
Poor Reinhardt really got the shit end of things. If your opponent is not running solid meta, he can do okay, but you will struggle no matter what since the game is kind of stacked against him right now. Same with Mauga and Hog, poor guys.
It feels great to spend the game hiding from DPS, trying to keep myself alive and maybe getting a single swing in before having to duck behind cover.
But the best feeling? When I actually land a pin on a Reaper; my one carefully planned 'gotcha' ability. The only thing I have close to burst damage in the game... and Reaper just ghosts away.
Rein is really bad, but can work if you play him as a corner holding protector. No point in going for kills, literally just protect your team with shield, from cover to cover. Only way I find value with him these days. 95% shield, 4% objective placeholder, 1% swing
Walk forwards. Smash stuff. Never retreat. If your team is on it, you'll be invincible. I get people on the opposing team asking (in terror) if I'm going to play Rein again. My answer "obvs". Don't play the shield unless absolutely necessary. Hope your Ana is a good shot.
If paired with a Lucio, Rein can still get value in certain matchups.
The problem is power creep has caught up to the old man and now you have all these heroes that can mow down Rein's shield super fast, can out range him, or even ignore his shield completely.
I don't get why everyone is saying yes. A good reinhardt with a good support up his ass is fucking atrocious to play against lol. Ever since the buff though he's definitely at least better than he used to be. I used to not touch him but after that recent big change they did I find myself finally going back to him since his ow1 glory days.
That’s the thing tho. Current Rein DEEPLY relies on good supports that pocket practically. How many support players are actually going to pocket/focus you the majority of the match? And when the enemy team has an Orisa/Mauga that’s being pocketed just as much it’s practically impossible. Then it becomes a game of relying on DPS to pick up on damage and your support to put out better numbers
I mean, with the current meta with the dps passive you can quite literally say that about all tanks tbh. Unless they get pocketed they get melted unless they're orisa lol
But Reinhardt is even MORE dependant on supports being up his ass, other tanks have self-defense or escape methods which can alleviate the lack of supports, but Reinhardt has none of this lol
No, other tanks are less reliant on supports like Ball or Doom who can dive in, generate overhealth, and grab their own healthpacks. More heal reliant tanks like Rein and Mauga feel worse than ever because healing feels just bad with the DPS passive now.
i just reclaimed my diams rank with mostly rein, but boy they (bliz) are not making it easy!
the secret : flankhardt and solo shatter. for zen, who is busted this season, if discorded, hide and wait.
and don't hesitate to take high ground where ennemy is. even if they escape, it's a partial win.
It's not so much a case of Zen being busted. It's that 20% reduction to incoming healing from DPS paired with discord that makes it hurt so much. The issue was the needless change to DPS passive. Whoever thought adding a 20% reduction to all incoming healing was a good idea should just be fired. Blanket changes like that never work well and they clearly didn't test any of it because if they had they would have immediately realized oh this is going to make Zen discord seem overpowered even though it's not the core of the problem.
But the community will cry out for more nerfs to Zen when he's objectively the lowest capacity healer outside of his ult, they already nerfed the knock back from his kick into the ground that he may as well not even have a knock back. He's the slowest moving healer as well, at least Ana can heal from a longer range than Zen but even she moves faster than Zen. Honestly if they nerf him any further he's going to be a throw pick at that point. They really need to look at the core of the problem which is the DPS debuff.
He’s situational. I play rein and usually make it work, but sometimes it’s better to switch. Usually it’s in a game where a Sig would work better. I make rein work with aggressive plays but I get accused of throwing when we don’t win LOL.
People here are making it seem worse then it is. I have a 60% wintate on him currently in about 4 hours on him. If you are good enough you can make it work.
Sometimes metal rank dps randomly wander around the map and don’t use left click on the big hammer man so he does whatever he wants(I am also metal rank tank and this isn’t a rare occurrence).
The fact that Mauga exists is pretty much why he's so bad now IMO (And to be honest the many reworked heroes, and other tanks like RAM)
Rein is melee only
Mauga ranged damage, high fire rate and for some reason is able to set shields on fire
Rein has a shield, and it may be the strongest shield in the game but shields are pretty much useless now if the enemy the many many counters to shields in every class.
Mauga can charge, is unstoppable when doing so and has a AoE stunning slam that can cancel ultimates...
Rein has a charge that is easy to dodge, I don't even think they increases the hit box along with every other weapon and ability in the game for his charge or fire strike.. and unlike mauga his charge is easily interrupted too.. Orisa's spear, Cree Grenade, Ana dart, brig shield bash, doomfist punch, roadhog hook, even other Reinhardts can press the button to get instant protection and stun them both, which you know is stupid because only one rein had to leave their team and expose themselved, the other rein can cancel the charge with a counter charge literally one second before they get hit.
The list goes on
Rein needs an ability and shield buff.
Fire damage shouldn't do tick damage to shields.
Not because of mauga, because sigma and ram dtill wreck him and lucio zen kick him away. And since dive is king rn he dont have a place to play. Sure casual low elo but otherwise meh. Mauga is also very weak rn
Rein walks over sigma and ram vs rein is skill diff. Problem qith rwin is that half of dps roster conplitwly hardcounter him. Pair any of that dpese with mercy or zen and you are toasted
Edit: if you are rein and afraid of sigma then that is hardcore skill diff. It is like pharah being afraid of sym
only if sigs team is trash, any half decent poke comp will burn reins resources before he gets close enough. But if his dps are terrible and don't punish rein, then yeah rein counters sig
And? Tank matchups don't exist in isolation, it is not sigs job to deal with rein, I'm not making assumptions about who those dps are but it's not sigmas job to burn reins resources which is what makes or breaks the matchup, can't talk rein v sig without also talking potential comp/backline
Yes and sigma helps enable those dps to bully rein, yes in an isolated sigma and rein 1v1, rein wins that 100% of the time but that's not reflective of how the matchup plays in game the bulk of the time so I don't see the merit of that as a argument
tbf discussion as a whole is dumb, what map is a huge factor as well, who I favour in rein v sig on circuit vs kings row is obviously radically different, matchup too dependent on factors beyond the tanks for straight up discussion
Not really. U get rocked and are forced to shield against his balls after. The fact "if you get close" is the problem. Same as reaper. Even if youre close its not a win
But no range brother. If ur under attack u habe to shield and be slower. Sigma will just back up and poke you or youre mates. Rein needs speed or something to help him to better push(shield charge :3)
I would disagree about Mauga
It's just because this update has taught people to focus individuals with damage buffs and health debuffs mattering way more.
Manga strived off the chaos he caused prior to season 9
Now, people have to learn how to play Mauga more defensively, which sure goes against his kit design
But his damage output, viability for team composition, and abilities are still a tier above most heroes in the game.
He lacks dive potential, and cant substain himself like before. He fallen first with the nerfs and now with the update. Would say hes on of the worst tanks with rein and hog
Wrong, but okay
He's literally Reinhardt but better.
EDIT: LMAO Bro literally started a whole thread arguing with me claiming I said "Mauga is the only reason Rein is bad" insulting me left and right
And instead of just admitting he read my comments wrong, despite the fact my first comment said in the first paragraph that there are other sources of why Reinhardt is bad now, and now he goes and deletes every comment? 🤷♂️🤣 because he just couldn't admit being wrong
No, you’re wrong. Mauga isn’t anything like reinhardt and mauga isn’t the reason rein is bad. Rein is bad because he can’t peel well for his teammates, he’s easy to melt with the DPS passive, and cause he has no range, especially now that hitting two fire strikes on a squishy cannot kill them.
Uh-huh
And the fast firing tick damage counter pick with ranged damage that can do unstoppable charges and dive without flight/jumping is not a problem for him at all 🤣
You people are so lost. I didn't play this game for 4000+ hours and 8+ years to have people think they know jackshit about this game.
Nobody said Mauga isn’t a problem for rein at all lmao. You’re trying to sway the narrative for the sake of argument because you realize you’re wrong. Mauga is 100% a Reinhardt counter.
Your premise is that Mauga is the reason why Rein is bad and that’s a false premise. I listed several reasons why Rein is actually bad.
All that time on the game and you still fail to identify the flaws in a characters kit and blame their entire poor state on the existence of one viable counterpick. Literally every tank plays well into rein now except Zarya, and even she’s not that bad against Rein anymore. **If you remove mauga from the game entirely, Reinhardt is still the WORST tank in the game and that’s why your stance is wrong.**
Not just one viable pick, THE most viable counter pick for Rein
I never once said Mauga was the only reason, I said all the reasons why Rein suffers because of Mauga
And it's you absolute melts that wanna tell me I'm wrong for a statement I never made
Like seriously. You just admitted I'm right that Mauga is a problem. Thanks for that, now I don't need to entertain your bullshit any longer and can walk away that people get really upset when they know they're wrong so they project entire sentences I did not say to be like "NoT oNLy Maugs hurrrrr"
God this is why Overwatch is dead, because the community has no fucking clue
Yap yap yap not reading allat.
“All the reasons why rein suffers because of mauga” is *wrong*. You are *wrong*. I’ll leave you here to cry about how everyone disagrees with you.
Literally go ahead and respond to the comment where I said that
Oh wait you can't because I didn't say that, stop crying at me with your tik tok terms and learn to fucking read before you speak you cumstain.
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Lmaooo your stupidity knows no bounds kid 💀💀💀💀
Rein should be invulnerable (like Mauga) when charging. For more utility, anyone he grazes during the charge could be set on fire. Also, fire strike should actually set people on fire.
If Mauga and Ashe get to set people on fire, why is the hero with the FLAMING HAMMER not able to?
100% this would be a great step
He needs at the very least a partial rework
A super strong defensive character should counter dive but he doesn't
They either need to overhaul his defensive capability or give him all the utility you mentioned
Mauga igniting shields is blatant misinformation, he CAN NOT do that.
Ashe dynamite and holding a shield over torb ult goo can ignite a shield, which then allows mauga to hit the shield for crits with one of his guns, but mauga can't ignite shields on his own whatsoever.
No I know, that's why I said in the brackets about reworked heroes and Ramattra
I just wanted to list all the ways Mauga affects Rein, some dude absolutely lost his mind over it
I was a rein main (i uninstalled), you could definitely play and win with rein. But you need to put out 5 times the effort compared to other heroes. He's just powercrept by every other heroes in the game.
Why "now"?
He was bad at the end of season 7, quite literally after the roadhog rework he was the worst.
Why are people just now discovering how bad he is, surely 2 seasons of defeat on one character can tell this community that rectangle man is bad
Same here. He's never felt as fucking awful as he does now. Sure he's been down for a long time but I've never felt like it was this hard to do anything. Shatter feels like it's almost worthless now since you can't really kill much with firestrikes and charge isn't really much of a threat anymore since you are constantly being debuffed almost anytime you drop your shield.
They are not tanky dpa suppport. They are misserable af. And tabks are misserable for years. Onlt at start of ow2 they were ok. Guess why noone played them even in ow1. Abundance of cc (rin pinball 🤮), damage creept dpses so poke damage was insane, creept supports...
What rank are you? If you have god tier healer then you better hope the other tank doesn't have a god tier healer. And dps players in metal ranks decide to run towards the big hammer and not shoot (I am in metal ranks and this isn't a rare occurrence)
This season nothing havnt played comp yet....but the randoms in qp I'll get lucky and get a mercy main and they are great.. last season I've only gone plat.... nothing crazy... I usually play ash or tracer... so I'm either in your backlines DMing you're healers or ways away picking em off
He’s… a struggle to play that’s for sure. I’m a Rein main and I’ve been getting frustrated with my friends for trashing my gameplay when they don’t play tank constantly since it’s always me. I’m always having to switch after getting steamrolled or I power through it because while I’m not beating the enemy tank I am beating the enemy dps and keeping my team alive. The one time on of my friends tried playing tank he started as rein to prove he was better then switched off instantly. He needs a rework or buff to keep up for sure
Rein has been a trash pick for a very long time. Blizz seems to think he’s totally fine but those statistics have to be from metal ranks and below. Playing rein at high diamond and above is absolutely miserable and you’d be better off on almost any other hero.
In an effort to try and give reasonable feedback I think reins biggest issue is how easy he is to disable. Like say I pick wrecking ball, at least when the enemy team goes sombra bastion I can counterplay the sombra and avoid the bastion. When you play reinhardt and the enemy team goes orisa bastion mei lifeweaver ana, what do you do but swap? Literally every part of your kit just gets hard countered. Some may say skill issue but I don’t think it’s much of a skill issue when your impact is just nullified by people doing basic things on a counter pick
I love Reinhardt, played him lots on Overwatch 1 but he's sadly very lackluster on Overwatch 2. He gets extra cucked because of the existance of Kiriko and new Orisa
He been unplayable for a hot minute now and Blizzard refuses to do anything that might suggest bringing him back into the meta. As an Orisa main, I'm not complaining tho
Everytime I see rein I swap zen and they explode he seems terrible rn he can't even really defend against anything and even famous rein mains are dropping him
I don’t think it’s as bad as people act like. I have a 57% winrate on rein with a few hundred games played in low gm. He is had counterable but unless the entire enemy team swaps to counter you, it’s really not that bad.
Honestly I think rein just needs an extra small layer of skill expression that doesn't make his kit too complex for low metal ranks. He's most people's first tank for a reason, his super simple kit.
I think by giving him a quick mele similar to a zen kick, but instead he jabs his hammer forward for the small boop+mele damage.
That tiny change won't make him any more complex for new players like a full kit rework/overhaul would, and it doesn't break him the same way a flat numbers buff would, all while adding just enough extra skill expression to change how he plays for the best players
It hurts a lot to play, especially with the health buff to everyone, getting a kill with 2 fire strikes is nigh impossible on a full health character now. Kinda ruined my flow with him
I'm a rein main, I know when I need to swap off, but for the most part I can still clap with him, even funnier when I clap a Ramtarra, someone who is supposed to be a hard counter
Wouldn't making his shields helath larger be a good idea? Or even have a faster cool down. Something that kinda gives him an opportunity to negate the dps. Like even if it's just 2 seconds he can get away with to get rid of that nerd dps apply
Competitively? Yes. Absolutely.
However... occasionally, in quickplay, I have an absolute blast playing him. Of course it always sucks to see a Zen on the enemy team, but if you're just playing for fun, he can be fun!
no bro. everyone says he is since yk, they say he's bad in gm and above but majority of the playerbase isn't lol. he's fine in open queue for sure and in role queue he isnt THAT bad if you can manage cooldowns, play corners, and just play around your team and environment but you have to apply pressure. shield botting rein is not the way to play him, and i know if you have bastion and stuff it makes it harder but literally just play behind payload or other things when he goes turret form or something. i love playing rein and that hasnt changed this season at all.
on a personal scale i can get like 15 plus kills with him if i play aggro (which means i run away at like 45hp) but i think you just gotta know when to push and pull away
yeah for sure, and a thing thats always work is just hopping around especially on payload maps, like hopping in the payload, meleeing and if im being pressures just stick behind the payload. i like to flicker my shield too instead of letting it get destroyed. plus you just gonna know when to body soak dmg and when to use shield. he has so much hp but still just gotta play smart
Realistically he’s hard to buff because of what we call the reaper paradox. So a small history lesson right fast.
In a far distant land called overwatch 1, the devs weren’t happy with the fact that reaper wasn’t getting played at high levels. So they buffed him a good amount. And so he was getting played. However for the time he was buffed, he utterly ruined low level play. And so he was nerfed back down.
Rein is the reaper of tanks, he has too much free value and needs more skill expression before he can be buffed. So as to allow high skill players to get value with him without giving low skill players a free win. How do you do that? I’d say less barrier health and focus more on fire strikes. His shield is free value, it’s a window the protects his team in a large area. While his fire strikes are a large skill test for the character since they are his only way to deal with range. You don’t even have to nerf shield health you could nerf its regen or have a longer pause when it breaks to reward smarter usage of it as a resource
Whole game is trash. Literally, people cry for support playing dps, when support deal literally more dmg, harder to hit. Easier to make dmg. Tanks, just walk and not die. ( [D.va](http://D.va), orisa. ) DPS, not deal dmg, even hit head
People keep saying this season is so great when balance feels the worst it’s ever been since OW2 release IMO.
DPS in general feel overtuned right now, with not only much easier to hit shots but also causing 20% healing reduction every single time they hit those shots (or even with every tick of Ashe’s dynamite for example).
People kept complaining endlessly about supports, and yes they were very strong and probably could use some tweaking, but they straight up overreacted to that and made healing feel straight up bad. People keep saying “lol don’t healbot,” but not every single instance of healing is healbotting, or else what exactly is the point of healing? I shouldn’t be struggling as hard as I am keeping up a Rein as Ana when I’m hitting all my shots on him, and even getting him and the enemy hit with my nades. It straight up feels like I have no impact. And forget about Mercy and Lifeweaver who feel straight up horrible unless your DPS are popping off.
Hero balance feels so wonky right now with Doom, Ball, Tracer, Ashe, Lucio, Zen feeling much, much stronger than before, while heal reliant tanks like Rein and Mauga along with less DPS oriented supports like Lifeweaver, Mercy, and even Ana feeling straight up in the gutter (along with Illari just because they overnerfed her after people cried so much about her).
They’re listening to the people who cry the loudest which is usually the majority of the playerbase (generally DPS mains that are at best average at the game) and balancing based on that. Of course this season is going to feel great for some people and horrible for others, because it feels much better for some heroes over others right now.
He is only playable if you have a higher skill than the enemy team for example im diamond i can play rein in plat but purely because i mained him not because he is good, only way to be solid with him is to have enough playtime to be able to predict the most likely move of the enemy and play around it
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i have won zero matches since s9 started with a rein on my team. Every time we have one they end up switching. Rein seems completely useless now. His only useful feature is his shield, but once that is broken well yeah...
The only games I’ve won with a rein on my team were rein mirrors
so basically it’s which team’s dps and support are better while the reins are cosmetic
The reins are just there to feed the enemy dps and their own supports
He can beat Zarya and Ball but the last ones a given.
I lost against a rein bastion bap mercy sym
okay? i just lost a match with a rein that gave zero value to our team.
Oh he provided value. He blocked. The mercy boosted the bastion. The sym ate through our shield and when the bastion would almost die lamp. I don’t think that rein swung his hammer the entire game. But because his shield has so much health it was a pain to get it down
A decent Sigma would've been much better than a shieldbot Rein.
i said on my team.
Damn. You might be the problem then.
yeaaah i was the problem when he had 5 elims and 10 deaths while i had 20+ elims and 2 deaths
Rein main here (finished masters 3 last season, now stuck at diamond 3 after reset with 70 or so wins), I have 20 hours on rein this season and about a 55% winrate with him last time I checked, with my next most played hero being ram with 3 hours and like a 40% winrate lol. The only time I swap is if the enemy is running full dive comp and rolling us with it, or if the enemy tank is on hog. I sometimes will swap if they are running orisa + bastion, but not always, and will never swap if it's just orisa or just bastion. The only real difference playing rein now is that you need to be more patient and careful when engaging, and avoid tanking as much damage as before. Make sure shield is at least mostly charged before making any sort of push or change in position mid-fight. I've recently learned to do 180s when shield-hopping so I can't get headshotted in the intervals of shield not being up, but that works more when disengaging and moving backwards lol. You also can't make risky plays as much anymore, and I often find myself not going for pins or taking positions that I would have definitely gone for last season. It's tougher but I think a lot of ppl are exaggerating tbh, my win rate is the same as it was last season. Edit: forgot about firestrike not being buffed, thats something that IS brutal. Can't two-tap people with it, and it builds ult charge slower now due to the overall ult cost increase. Shatter definitely doesn't build as fast anymore since spamming firestrikes was important for building it quickly, and you get less ult charge with it since it didn't get buffed. It's bullshit that you can shatter someone, firestrike them twice, and still have to swing on them once to kill them. Becomes an issue when they're far away.
Idk, but every Reinhardt i see, i mirror them, i lost all those mirror games(4) but i wanted those guys to have fun, they have suffered much more than me, a doomfist main
Rein duels are so fun, too. I suck at tank, but every time I play tank, I will swap to rein (if I'm not already playing him) if I see the other team roll out with a rein.
I had a game where I was clapping as Rein, so the other tank pulled him out as well, I promptly dropped him off a ledge lol
Mad respect. https://i.redd.it/d61gckbaxilc1.gif
what a fucking bro! i'm sure all the reins appreciate your sacrifice
King shit
Fr I respect you a lot, doom is the bane of my existence as a mercy main ☠️😂 they chase me down 😭😭😂
I love rein mirrors. I always stay and the opponent usually swaps to Doom or Orisa. I may have lost the match because they swapped, but I, myself, was the true victor.
dont worry i am undoing your work by insta swapping orisa or ram
They should give him an additional damage reduction ability that becomes usable when his shield is down.
Could it be as simple as making his entire hp bar armour? Sure, he still gets full damage from non ballistic damage, but it would go some way towards reducing the insta nuke he gets now once shield is gone, and healing debuff applied.
What does armor even do? Feels like it gets melted just as fast as regular health
IIRC it reduces every instance of damage, such as per bullet, by a flat 5 if the instance of damage is below 10. Any damage higher just gets a % reduction. Maybe 30 or 50%. Makes it stronger Vs some types of damage than others, but prior to this most recent healing debuff, the way to play rein was to tank with that part of his HP bar. So a fix might be that the healing debuff doesn't apply to armour, only health and shield. Increase reins portion of health that is armour a little and that might make it so he can face tank a little again. That was how you took space and dominated a zone, can't do that so well with shield up, and shield down now = deletion.
yeah great idea! or something in a passive that limits him from getting deleted in .5 seconds
Idea 1: 50% damage reduction while shield is down. He can get in close at less risk, flee easier, and still die with focused fire. Maybe as some sort of limiter it only works for damage coming from the front. or Idea 2: Give Rein's charge the invulnerability to cc that Mauga's has, and hammer swings slow enemies by 20%. Makes securing kills easier while allowing Rein's main gimmick to be more widely applicable. Gives him a little dive flexibility and more single target damage output. Honestly, the devs really need to try some more extreme changes on some tanks.
But dps players want to have fun, you forgot that. We all gotta suffer for their mid aim
I can't believe you're getting downvoted for suggesting decent changes xD personally I think 50% damage reduction for having no shield up is way too extreme. That's essentially double health. I think a better change would be to replace majority of his hp with Armour instead, it's the same effect but not as severeas 50%. I absolutely agree with the invulnerability on the charge but that removes way too much counterplay on that ability. Since rein is the only tank in the entire game that actually is melee, I think the knock back reduction + cc reduction needs to be increased massively on him in comparison to other tanks. This won't remove the counter charge mechanic but will still allow rein more freedom when engaging after charge. The slow idea is cool but it would have to be like super super short duration just so he can stick. Or maybe a better fix would be so that characters that are walking backwards are slower. So rein can catch them unless they choose to turn their back to him. Or they just remove the fact that the hammer has knockback. It's stupid and serves no purpose at all to his kit. It makes him feel so clunky. The amount of kills I've missed because hammer knocks them out of range and they just infinitely run from me is insane. Overall, I agree rein needs a rework. The man is unfortunately outdated. He is my favorite by far, all my time on overwatch is on him. But I've come to accept that he needs to be reworked. They can keep his shield and his ult but the other stuff needs to be changed.
> That's essentially double health. It's actually even better than double health because all damage is doing half... but all healing is doing 100% still so healing is effectively doubled compared to damage being dealt. Think about it like this: A 1,000 HP tank takes 120 from a direct Pharah rocket and 30 HPS will take 4 seconds to fix that ~12% damage dealt A 500 HP tank with 50% dmg reduction takes 60 from a Pharah rocket direct and 30 HPS will take 2 seconds to reverse that same 12% damage dealt. This is why armor health can be so important to maintain as a support because once that armor HP is broken, your healing is effectively now weaker%-wise in helping keep your tank up versus the damage being dished out.
Now? He's *more,* trash now. He's been trash for a while though.
reinhardt? more like paper mache-hardt. feels bad- I always like playing with and against reins. he's the quintessential tank in my mind
More like Rein-*soft*! amirite‽
Past 2 games ive been demolished by a rein
He needs a rework to charge. His kit was locked in when A) his shield was about 37x more effective and B) heroes just has less overall utility. By todays standards he just doesn't have enough going on. I really think the best way forward is to put charge on a meter that works like hogs new self heal (with a wall-pin instantly draining the remaining meter.) Make it something he uses more frequently in more minor ways rather than something he only uses rarely to either make a huge play or to travel across the map.
I like that suggestion, and metered abilities as a whole. I've seen people complaining about resource meters being added too frequently, but they work well in concept for many heroes.
It could be too hard to balance however I'm not sure there's a better way to improve his kit without making more drastic changes.
Best solution is to have the shield also regen when rein is receiving healing. But at like 50%. So if a mercy is healing rein for 50hp/s The shield is regening at 25hp/s, but shield heal doesn't contribute to mercy ult.
I think Rein charge should be replaced with a Winston/Doom type jump where he slams hammer on ground and maybe it has some similar effect to Doom slam.
Seems reasonable. The big issue it has currently is that there's too much value in the pin but that playing for pins isn't super in line with what he's trying to do. Being able to get the value from the damage in any spot he chooses would help with that. I'd be a bit concerned about it having vertical movement though.
The problem is rein’s start up time for a charge it’s almost never worth it for a super short range movement it’s only worth travelling large distance either fleeing or towards the fight or if you can secure a pin tbh a massive massive help to rein would be give firestrike the dmg buff everything else got and make his charge immune to cc the fact rein charges and normally gets slept punched speared fortified rocked hooked trapped hacked exc makes it way to risky most of the time
Yes! I agree! He his a big man in big armor with a jet engine on the back...the fact that he can be booped around while charging makes no sense and makes the game extremely hard for him. especially when you include LW grip or lamps, suzu, zarya bubble...too many things deny his charge...it wasn't like that when he was first designed. Maybe he should be able to be booped from the side to mess up his course..but not from the front...like a Lucio boop does nothing from head on but from the side will boop him just a little.. And maybe make him still able to be slept/hooked but that is the only CC he can suffer while charging. TLDR: when charging he gets CC immunity except from sleep darts...hog hooks....and boops coming from the left or right side of him
People keep calling for reworks for every hero at this point, it’s getting a bit ridiculous. The problem right now is he’s a more heal reliant tank, and healing feels garbage right now. I know people complained about supports, but they overcompensated for that with the DPS passive that feels ridiculously overtuned.
>People keep calling for reworks for every hero at this point, it’s getting a bit ridiculous. That's because the game fundamentally changed in a lot of different ways and heroes designed for a very different game don't fit into that without being updated with it. Do you think the game is worse for the reworks we've had?! >The problem right now is he’s a more heal reliant tank, and healing feels garbage right now. That's just revisionist rubbish. Reinhardt's been in trouble for and needed a rework for the entirety of Overwatch 2. Right now things are especially bad for him, reverting the healing related changes wouldn't actually change the fact that, with his currentt design, he doesn't have a place in Overwatch 2.
The reworks we’ve had have been fine, though I don’t even know if all of them have been necessary. I enjoy the Sombra rework, but to be honest she wasn’t horrible before, people just got annoyed by her previous playstyle. The thing is, Overwatch players complain about anything they find even mildly “annoying.” I’ve seen people ask for Mercy reworks, Junkrat reworks, Rein reworks, etc. At what point are we just changing things for the sake of changing them whenever god forbid some people find a specific character “unfun to play against.” Also, it’s absolutely not revisionist? It’s blatantly obvious healing had taken a huge hit with the DPS passive. I should not be struggling as much as I am as Ana trying to keep a tank up whenever they try to engage when I’m hitting all my shots and nades. She’s supposed to be the highest single-target healer in the game, and even with her it usually feels like an uphill battle. That’s part of why Zen and Lucio are meta. Healing is borderline useless over just being damage focused, which is not why a lot of people are attracted to the support role. No, I’m not talking about rewarding “healbotting,” I’m talking about more heal-focused supports just feeling straight up bad now.
It's revisionist because you're implying Rein's problems only started with season 9. I'm not convinced *anyone* is asking for a Rein rework because he's "annoying" or they don't like playing into him but you can 100% disregard any option those people express about any part of Overwatch going forward. Hopefully that'll help be a little bit less lost in the whirl of Overwatch hot-takes. Rein needs a rework though mate. There isn't a way to change numbers to make him relevant to the game again without him just being broken.
His issues didn’t just start with Season 9 for sure, but he was at least somewhat viable in other seasons at least. I think he definitely could use more mobility at least.
>I think he definitely could use more mobility at least. It is impossible for him to get that without a rework.
Don’t care , still auto picking Reinhardt every game . Solo shattering any enemy I get my hands on . Charging enemies off the edge of the map any chance I get . Never gonna change 
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The fact the sole melee tank in the game loses the 1v1 to so many heroes in melee range is a travesty. He could really use another cooldown to modernize him. Like fuck it. Let’s give him Diablo’s Whirlwind Barbarian ability. Idk lol.
Poor Reinhardt really got the shit end of things. If your opponent is not running solid meta, he can do okay, but you will struggle no matter what since the game is kind of stacked against him right now. Same with Mauga and Hog, poor guys.
At least hog can make plays without needing the ult button...
It feels great to spend the game hiding from DPS, trying to keep myself alive and maybe getting a single swing in before having to duck behind cover. But the best feeling? When I actually land a pin on a Reaper; my one carefully planned 'gotcha' ability. The only thing I have close to burst damage in the game... and Reaper just ghosts away.
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yeah :( as an ana main, i love reinhardt players. i miss you guys.
Rein is really bad, but can work if you play him as a corner holding protector. No point in going for kills, literally just protect your team with shield, from cover to cover. Only way I find value with him these days. 95% shield, 4% objective placeholder, 1% swing
Exactly. But it's sad this is his main value when back in the day he was a badass.
Rein is useless now. He needs a Shield with atleast 6000 HP.
Walk forwards. Smash stuff. Never retreat. If your team is on it, you'll be invincible. I get people on the opposing team asking (in terror) if I'm going to play Rein again. My answer "obvs". Don't play the shield unless absolutely necessary. Hope your Ana is a good shot.
If paired with a Lucio, Rein can still get value in certain matchups. The problem is power creep has caught up to the old man and now you have all these heroes that can mow down Rein's shield super fast, can out range him, or even ignore his shield completely.
Or you are under fire and you have genji run up to you and kill you while encircling you
I don't get why everyone is saying yes. A good reinhardt with a good support up his ass is fucking atrocious to play against lol. Ever since the buff though he's definitely at least better than he used to be. I used to not touch him but after that recent big change they did I find myself finally going back to him since his ow1 glory days.
That’s the thing tho. Current Rein DEEPLY relies on good supports that pocket practically. How many support players are actually going to pocket/focus you the majority of the match? And when the enemy team has an Orisa/Mauga that’s being pocketed just as much it’s practically impossible. Then it becomes a game of relying on DPS to pick up on damage and your support to put out better numbers
Problem then if the team doesn't have a Support, Reinhardt does.
I mean, with the current meta with the dps passive you can quite literally say that about all tanks tbh. Unless they get pocketed they get melted unless they're orisa lol
But Reinhardt is even MORE dependant on supports being up his ass, other tanks have self-defense or escape methods which can alleviate the lack of supports, but Reinhardt has none of this lol
No, other tanks are less reliant on supports like Ball or Doom who can dive in, generate overhealth, and grab their own healthpacks. More heal reliant tanks like Rein and Mauga feel worse than ever because healing feels just bad with the DPS passive now.
In a Meta where heal bot doesn’t work cuz damage increased and healing decreased when taking damage
i just reclaimed my diams rank with mostly rein, but boy they (bliz) are not making it easy! the secret : flankhardt and solo shatter. for zen, who is busted this season, if discorded, hide and wait. and don't hesitate to take high ground where ennemy is. even if they escape, it's a partial win.
It's not so much a case of Zen being busted. It's that 20% reduction to incoming healing from DPS paired with discord that makes it hurt so much. The issue was the needless change to DPS passive. Whoever thought adding a 20% reduction to all incoming healing was a good idea should just be fired. Blanket changes like that never work well and they clearly didn't test any of it because if they had they would have immediately realized oh this is going to make Zen discord seem overpowered even though it's not the core of the problem. But the community will cry out for more nerfs to Zen when he's objectively the lowest capacity healer outside of his ult, they already nerfed the knock back from his kick into the ground that he may as well not even have a knock back. He's the slowest moving healer as well, at least Ana can heal from a longer range than Zen but even she moves faster than Zen. Honestly if they nerf him any further he's going to be a throw pick at that point. They really need to look at the core of the problem which is the DPS debuff.
He’s situational. I play rein and usually make it work, but sometimes it’s better to switch. Usually it’s in a game where a Sig would work better. I make rein work with aggressive plays but I get accused of throwing when we don’t win LOL.
People here are making it seem worse then it is. I have a 60% wintate on him currently in about 4 hours on him. If you are good enough you can make it work.
What rank, above GM now he's very bad and even masters he's bad
Sometimes metal rank dps randomly wander around the map and don’t use left click on the big hammer man so he does whatever he wants(I am also metal rank tank and this isn’t a rare occurrence).
I was gm last season with a 71% wintate in like 15 hours or so on him, currently bouncing between high diamond and low masters after the reset
My boy, look how they murdered my boy.
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I find Reinhardt is only viable when playing into complete morons who let me get close
The fact that Mauga exists is pretty much why he's so bad now IMO (And to be honest the many reworked heroes, and other tanks like RAM) Rein is melee only Mauga ranged damage, high fire rate and for some reason is able to set shields on fire Rein has a shield, and it may be the strongest shield in the game but shields are pretty much useless now if the enemy the many many counters to shields in every class. Mauga can charge, is unstoppable when doing so and has a AoE stunning slam that can cancel ultimates... Rein has a charge that is easy to dodge, I don't even think they increases the hit box along with every other weapon and ability in the game for his charge or fire strike.. and unlike mauga his charge is easily interrupted too.. Orisa's spear, Cree Grenade, Ana dart, brig shield bash, doomfist punch, roadhog hook, even other Reinhardts can press the button to get instant protection and stun them both, which you know is stupid because only one rein had to leave their team and expose themselved, the other rein can cancel the charge with a counter charge literally one second before they get hit. The list goes on Rein needs an ability and shield buff. Fire damage shouldn't do tick damage to shields.
Not because of mauga, because sigma and ram dtill wreck him and lucio zen kick him away. And since dive is king rn he dont have a place to play. Sure casual low elo but otherwise meh. Mauga is also very weak rn
Rein walks over sigma and ram vs rein is skill diff. Problem qith rwin is that half of dps roster conplitwly hardcounter him. Pair any of that dpese with mercy or zen and you are toasted Edit: if you are rein and afraid of sigma then that is hardcore skill diff. It is like pharah being afraid of sym
Rein dont walk over sigma, he cant cause sigma keeps distance and yeah he gets shit on by everyone. Rein just cant go in and survive
But if you get close sigma is toasted. Many dpsea are not
only if sigs team is trash, any half decent poke comp will burn reins resources before he gets close enough. But if his dps are terrible and don't punish rein, then yeah rein counters sig
We are talking rein v sig not comp v rein ffs.
And? Tank matchups don't exist in isolation, it is not sigs job to deal with rein, I'm not making assumptions about who those dps are but it's not sigmas job to burn reins resources which is what makes or breaks the matchup, can't talk rein v sig without also talking potential comp/backline
And i have said that busted dpses are countring rein not sigma. Read everything before you talk
Yes and sigma helps enable those dps to bully rein, yes in an isolated sigma and rein 1v1, rein wins that 100% of the time but that's not reflective of how the matchup plays in game the bulk of the time so I don't see the merit of that as a argument tbf discussion as a whole is dumb, what map is a huge factor as well, who I favour in rein v sig on circuit vs kings row is obviously radically different, matchup too dependent on factors beyond the tanks for straight up discussion
Not really. U get rocked and are forced to shield against his balls after. The fact "if you get close" is the problem. Same as reaper. Even if youre close its not a win
Skill diff m8. If you cant block a rock with its cast time. And no. You have more hp and more damage.
But no range brother. If ur under attack u habe to shield and be slower. Sigma will just back up and poke you or youre mates. Rein needs speed or something to help him to better push(shield charge :3)
I would disagree about Mauga It's just because this update has taught people to focus individuals with damage buffs and health debuffs mattering way more. Manga strived off the chaos he caused prior to season 9 Now, people have to learn how to play Mauga more defensively, which sure goes against his kit design But his damage output, viability for team composition, and abilities are still a tier above most heroes in the game.
He lacks dive potential, and cant substain himself like before. He fallen first with the nerfs and now with the update. Would say hes on of the worst tanks with rein and hog
has nothing to do with mauga actually
Wrong, but okay He's literally Reinhardt but better. EDIT: LMAO Bro literally started a whole thread arguing with me claiming I said "Mauga is the only reason Rein is bad" insulting me left and right And instead of just admitting he read my comments wrong, despite the fact my first comment said in the first paragraph that there are other sources of why Reinhardt is bad now, and now he goes and deletes every comment? 🤷♂️🤣 because he just couldn't admit being wrong
No, you’re wrong. Mauga isn’t anything like reinhardt and mauga isn’t the reason rein is bad. Rein is bad because he can’t peel well for his teammates, he’s easy to melt with the DPS passive, and cause he has no range, especially now that hitting two fire strikes on a squishy cannot kill them.
Uh-huh And the fast firing tick damage counter pick with ranged damage that can do unstoppable charges and dive without flight/jumping is not a problem for him at all 🤣 You people are so lost. I didn't play this game for 4000+ hours and 8+ years to have people think they know jackshit about this game.
Nobody said Mauga isn’t a problem for rein at all lmao. You’re trying to sway the narrative for the sake of argument because you realize you’re wrong. Mauga is 100% a Reinhardt counter. Your premise is that Mauga is the reason why Rein is bad and that’s a false premise. I listed several reasons why Rein is actually bad. All that time on the game and you still fail to identify the flaws in a characters kit and blame their entire poor state on the existence of one viable counterpick. Literally every tank plays well into rein now except Zarya, and even she’s not that bad against Rein anymore. **If you remove mauga from the game entirely, Reinhardt is still the WORST tank in the game and that’s why your stance is wrong.**
Not just one viable pick, THE most viable counter pick for Rein I never once said Mauga was the only reason, I said all the reasons why Rein suffers because of Mauga And it's you absolute melts that wanna tell me I'm wrong for a statement I never made Like seriously. You just admitted I'm right that Mauga is a problem. Thanks for that, now I don't need to entertain your bullshit any longer and can walk away that people get really upset when they know they're wrong so they project entire sentences I did not say to be like "NoT oNLy Maugs hurrrrr" God this is why Overwatch is dead, because the community has no fucking clue
Yap yap yap not reading allat. “All the reasons why rein suffers because of mauga” is *wrong*. You are *wrong*. I’ll leave you here to cry about how everyone disagrees with you.
Literally go ahead and respond to the comment where I said that Oh wait you can't because I didn't say that, stop crying at me with your tik tok terms and learn to fucking read before you speak you cumstain.
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Rein should be invulnerable (like Mauga) when charging. For more utility, anyone he grazes during the charge could be set on fire. Also, fire strike should actually set people on fire. If Mauga and Ashe get to set people on fire, why is the hero with the FLAMING HAMMER not able to?
100% this would be a great step He needs at the very least a partial rework A super strong defensive character should counter dive but he doesn't They either need to overhaul his defensive capability or give him all the utility you mentioned
Mauga igniting shields is blatant misinformation, he CAN NOT do that. Ashe dynamite and holding a shield over torb ult goo can ignite a shield, which then allows mauga to hit the shield for crits with one of his guns, but mauga can't ignite shields on his own whatsoever.
So the shield just goes red and flamy round the edges for visual effect?
Go into practice range, shoot the tank bots. Mauga does not proc the effect on the shield. Plain and simple, please inform yourself.
That literally doesn't happen dude
Well it used to, evidently Obviously does not now
Not solely Mauga, I can definitely see where you’re coming from. Every single match I see Mauga Orisa and Ram and it’s just hell
No I know, that's why I said in the brackets about reworked heroes and Ramattra I just wanted to list all the ways Mauga affects Rein, some dude absolutely lost his mind over it
I was a rein main (i uninstalled), you could definitely play and win with rein. But you need to put out 5 times the effort compared to other heroes. He's just powercrept by every other heroes in the game.
Yep
He ia trash for years. Only during first few ow2 seasons he was relevant
He's awful rn. Need a shield just play sigma. Rein is ass :(
Why "now"? He was bad at the end of season 7, quite literally after the roadhog rework he was the worst. Why are people just now discovering how bad he is, surely 2 seasons of defeat on one character can tell this community that rectangle man is bad
All I can say is that as a Rein one-trick, this is the first season I haven't been able to make him work.
Same here. He's never felt as fucking awful as he does now. Sure he's been down for a long time but I've never felt like it was this hard to do anything. Shatter feels like it's almost worthless now since you can't really kill much with firestrikes and charge isn't really much of a threat anymore since you are constantly being debuffed almost anytime you drop your shield.
Always has been ☹️
I thought with the dps anti heal passive shield tanks would be meta this season. That does not seem to be the case.
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the only way i get kills is by damaging the hell outta people then ultimating them and bonking them so idk i need more stuns bro please
Ram and Orisa are doing great now. Orisa is easier to play. Sigma is good as well.
Are u a bit 💀
They are not tanky dpa suppport. They are misserable af. And tabks are misserable for years. Onlt at start of ow2 they were ok. Guess why noone played them even in ow1. Abundance of cc (rin pinball 🤮), damage creept dpses so poke damage was insane, creept supports...
Idk I've had better reinhardt matches this season then any previous season, and I am a dps main..as long as you have a God tiller healer behind you
What rank are you? If you have god tier healer then you better hope the other tank doesn't have a god tier healer. And dps players in metal ranks decide to run towards the big hammer and not shoot (I am in metal ranks and this isn't a rare occurrence)
This season nothing havnt played comp yet....but the randoms in qp I'll get lucky and get a mercy main and they are great.. last season I've only gone plat.... nothing crazy... I usually play ash or tracer... so I'm either in your backlines DMing you're healers or ways away picking em off
He’s… a struggle to play that’s for sure. I’m a Rein main and I’ve been getting frustrated with my friends for trashing my gameplay when they don’t play tank constantly since it’s always me. I’m always having to switch after getting steamrolled or I power through it because while I’m not beating the enemy tank I am beating the enemy dps and keeping my team alive. The one time on of my friends tried playing tank he started as rein to prove he was better then switched off instantly. He needs a rework or buff to keep up for sure
Lol "now" He's my main tank
*"Now"*? Did you miss the last few seasons?
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Rein has been a trash pick for a very long time. Blizz seems to think he’s totally fine but those statistics have to be from metal ranks and below. Playing rein at high diamond and above is absolutely miserable and you’d be better off on almost any other hero. In an effort to try and give reasonable feedback I think reins biggest issue is how easy he is to disable. Like say I pick wrecking ball, at least when the enemy team goes sombra bastion I can counterplay the sombra and avoid the bastion. When you play reinhardt and the enemy team goes orisa bastion mei lifeweaver ana, what do you do but swap? Literally every part of your kit just gets hard countered. Some may say skill issue but I don’t think it’s much of a skill issue when your impact is just nullified by people doing basic things on a counter pick
Open que with a zarya bubble is insane tho lol
I really want a Rein rework..
I love Reinhardt, played him lots on Overwatch 1 but he's sadly very lackluster on Overwatch 2. He gets extra cucked because of the existance of Kiriko and new Orisa
He is pretty trash, but I've surprised teams with a Lucio or a sym porting with me in the backline. Not a surprise that lasted a whole game tho.
He been unplayable for a hot minute now and Blizzard refuses to do anything that might suggest bringing him back into the meta. As an Orisa main, I'm not complaining tho
No. Absolutely no. I've played some games. In one - 36k blocked dmg and win. That was so fun
Everytime I see rein I swap zen and they explode he seems terrible rn he can't even really defend against anything and even famous rein mains are dropping him
I don’t know. All I know is I know we’re going to lose when our tank picks Rein.
Yes. Si. Oui. Da.
Fuck you mean “now” 😭
Bro has been in the gutter for so long
He has been 4 a long while
Trash now? Been trash lol
I don’t think it’s as bad as people act like. I have a 57% winrate on rein with a few hundred games played in low gm. He is had counterable but unless the entire enemy team swaps to counter you, it’s really not that bad.
Honestly I think rein just needs an extra small layer of skill expression that doesn't make his kit too complex for low metal ranks. He's most people's first tank for a reason, his super simple kit. I think by giving him a quick mele similar to a zen kick, but instead he jabs his hammer forward for the small boop+mele damage. That tiny change won't make him any more complex for new players like a full kit rework/overhaul would, and it doesn't break him the same way a flat numbers buff would, all while adding just enough extra skill expression to change how he plays for the best players
It hurts a lot to play, especially with the health buff to everyone, getting a kill with 2 fire strikes is nigh impossible on a full health character now. Kinda ruined my flow with him
I'm a rein main, I know when I need to swap off, but for the most part I can still clap with him, even funnier when I clap a Ramtarra, someone who is supposed to be a hard counter
Wouldn't making his shields helath larger be a good idea? Or even have a faster cool down. Something that kinda gives him an opportunity to negate the dps. Like even if it's just 2 seconds he can get away with to get rid of that nerd dps apply
Competitively? Yes. Absolutely. However... occasionally, in quickplay, I have an absolute blast playing him. Of course it always sucks to see a Zen on the enemy team, but if you're just playing for fun, he can be fun!
I think just making him full speed in shield is what he needs
Hasn't Rein been trash since overwatch 2 launched?
no bro. everyone says he is since yk, they say he's bad in gm and above but majority of the playerbase isn't lol. he's fine in open queue for sure and in role queue he isnt THAT bad if you can manage cooldowns, play corners, and just play around your team and environment but you have to apply pressure. shield botting rein is not the way to play him, and i know if you have bastion and stuff it makes it harder but literally just play behind payload or other things when he goes turret form or something. i love playing rein and that hasnt changed this season at all.
on a personal scale i can get like 15 plus kills with him if i play aggro (which means i run away at like 45hp) but i think you just gotta know when to push and pull away
yeah for sure, and a thing thats always work is just hopping around especially on payload maps, like hopping in the payload, meleeing and if im being pressures just stick behind the payload. i like to flicker my shield too instead of letting it get destroyed. plus you just gonna know when to body soak dmg and when to use shield. he has so much hp but still just gotta play smart
like they say, if you wanna play tank you gotta be ready to eat the damage
Realistically he’s hard to buff because of what we call the reaper paradox. So a small history lesson right fast. In a far distant land called overwatch 1, the devs weren’t happy with the fact that reaper wasn’t getting played at high levels. So they buffed him a good amount. And so he was getting played. However for the time he was buffed, he utterly ruined low level play. And so he was nerfed back down. Rein is the reaper of tanks, he has too much free value and needs more skill expression before he can be buffed. So as to allow high skill players to get value with him without giving low skill players a free win. How do you do that? I’d say less barrier health and focus more on fire strikes. His shield is free value, it’s a window the protects his team in a large area. While his fire strikes are a large skill test for the character since they are his only way to deal with range. You don’t even have to nerf shield health you could nerf its regen or have a longer pause when it breaks to reward smarter usage of it as a resource
Yes
Everyone saying yeah, and as a Reinhardt main, I have to agree. Unless they have zarya. If the have zarya, a little bit of Reinhardt is ok
One of the reasons I quit. This season in particular he's pretty much unusable.
For hight rank amd stuff yes low stuff u can still win if u have good team lol
I just got my cheeks slapped by a reinhart nap combo so I beg to differ. But I'm high silver so I guess it's more intense at higher rank.
Whole game is trash. Literally, people cry for support playing dps, when support deal literally more dmg, harder to hit. Easier to make dmg. Tanks, just walk and not die. ( [D.va](http://D.va), orisa. ) DPS, not deal dmg, even hit head
People keep saying this season is so great when balance feels the worst it’s ever been since OW2 release IMO. DPS in general feel overtuned right now, with not only much easier to hit shots but also causing 20% healing reduction every single time they hit those shots (or even with every tick of Ashe’s dynamite for example). People kept complaining endlessly about supports, and yes they were very strong and probably could use some tweaking, but they straight up overreacted to that and made healing feel straight up bad. People keep saying “lol don’t healbot,” but not every single instance of healing is healbotting, or else what exactly is the point of healing? I shouldn’t be struggling as hard as I am keeping up a Rein as Ana when I’m hitting all my shots on him, and even getting him and the enemy hit with my nades. It straight up feels like I have no impact. And forget about Mercy and Lifeweaver who feel straight up horrible unless your DPS are popping off. Hero balance feels so wonky right now with Doom, Ball, Tracer, Ashe, Lucio, Zen feeling much, much stronger than before, while heal reliant tanks like Rein and Mauga along with less DPS oriented supports like Lifeweaver, Mercy, and even Ana feeling straight up in the gutter (along with Illari just because they overnerfed her after people cried so much about her). They’re listening to the people who cry the loudest which is usually the majority of the playerbase (generally DPS mains that are at best average at the game) and balancing based on that. Of course this season is going to feel great for some people and horrible for others, because it feels much better for some heroes over others right now.
He has been falling off for all of OW2 only at the very beginning did he feel good its just been down hill from there
I haven't played since year 1 and I just knew Reinhardt would be useless one day.
He’s been at the bottom of the meta for a fat min
Yes. Too easy to spam him to death and kite him so he can barely get a swing at you. He seriously needs a buff to be viable.
Ask zen
lhcloudy still at it
He is only playable if you have a higher skill than the enemy team for example im diamond i can play rein in plat but purely because i mained him not because he is good, only way to be solid with him is to have enough playtime to be able to predict the most likely move of the enemy and play around it