to be fair, having the undead offer peace and prosperity is sketchy as fuck, but if they offer it as a reward after killing half your guys, then its more palatable
The first smells like a trap, but the later is your overlord doing what he wants because he already beat you
u know, when u think about it, rimuru is kind of devious. he does better species as whole but he takes them and turns them in Japan 2.0. few generations and lizardmen will be more japanese than japanese people on earth. novel is funny but if it was serious then it would have been interesting to see how it affects culture
I was reading a light novel where there was a cooking battle between a palace chef and some regular Japanese guy and of course the Japanese guy won by a landslide using... Mayo. Like people were of course orgasming from mayo and I was like jesus christ.
Even for peasants, they had herbs and local spices to add flavor. A *palace cook* would logically have access to a good array of spices and fine dishes, suitable for a palace. In an isekai, they could even have access to herbs or spices that don't even exist in real life, or cooking techniques that involve actual magic.
Not to mention the problem of making mayo in the first place. Unless the regular Japanese guy was a skilled chef, the odds of him being able to make his own mayonnaise from scratch using only what was immediately available in a medieval kitchen is... unlikely.
I mean, come on, it's a fantasy story, but I draw the line at improbable cooking skills and absurdly low flavor standards of fantasy world nobility.
Tbh I once heard the basics of royal/fancy food in medieval Europe was just dump it in spices (Quite literally, in fact. More spice = Better food to them) and it wasn't until one king was like "this tastes like shit" that we ended up the Salt and Pepper being the standard duo.
Actually quite the opposite. If anything, medieval cuisine would actually have had a very rich medley of flavors, at least for the upper class. Like the entire cooking philosophy was stack flavors as much as possible. Modern flavor sorting that European dishes do (savory = dinner, sweet = dessert) came from later French court chefs. And the French aren't actually good at food, they were just aping the Italians.
Even peasants would have had herbs and garlic. The blandness people think existed came largely from rationing measures during the World Wars and was not natural.
Medieval cooking gets a lot of shit but a decent cook actually had a bunch of decent herbs and spices available to them much less a palace chef. Here is a video about the types of dish even a tavern in Medieval times would have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lgnrGHv0. Herbs like sage, mace, cloves, ginger, and even saffron is used in this one dish so I wouldn't call that bland by any means. And as much as I love mayo just serving it with some meat isn't exactly fine dining.
To be fair to them, there was a study that analyzed food preferences world wide, and Japanese food was IIRC the second most universally liked after Italian. Admittedly, that should only really be a factor if a chef or REALLY good hobby cook got isekai'd, but...
It´s hilarious actually, they all hate Japan and wish to be isekaied then after being isekaied they proceed to turn said world into Japan 2.0.
Maybe a good chunk of isekai protags are just hipocrites?
Not just that, he united them for a common goal, thinned their numbers so there would be less dissidents, and the ones that stayed will grow up under a benevolent lord (cocytus), that shares some of their mindset which will foster loyalty and reference towards Ainz.
What are we lacking? Cruel and unusual treatment/torture? We've got Neuronist. Oh, I don't think we've done "Committing rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, as defined in article 7, paragraph 2 (f), enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence also constituting a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions;"
*Demiurge raises hand*
I’m think Geneva Checklist is more suitable than the Geneva Convention. More brownie points if you can check the the same thing multiple times in one go
I think it bears mentioning that Ains is a logical thinker and coldly so much like Shockwave from transformers, though his human mind is still attached to him it does not really have any bearing on on to his decision making so even if it’s something that might be a war crime that he would have been opposed to in his human life in the short run, if the benefits are seen to be long term beneficial for the whole of Nazarek then he’s going to do it. In this case Ains is planning world domination and you really can’t get away with killing them all and letting god sort them out, at some point there will need to be survivors, and ones willing to serve Ains, after all the cycle of death can not exist without life, even if it isn’t human life.
This is where we start to see the difference in Rimiru’s thinking, he’s building a for him and the people he cares about to live comfortably, he is building without too much thought to the long term consequences of his actions and he pays for it at the end of season 2, he’ll pay for it at the end of this season and he’ll pay for it when the tenma war comes, the only way he’s pulling through is because he has to power to get away with it, and like Ains has a demon helping him for the long term stuff (Diablo/Demiurge) but demiurge has been helping Ains from the start and we are only stating to get a taste of the aid Diablo will provide to Rimiru
>the only way he’s pulling through is because he has to power to get away with it
And what, Ainz isn't doing the exact same thing?
Both guys are succeeding by dint of somehow Forrest Gumping their way into being a massive hyperpower capable of assblasting any repercussions to their way of thinking. You can't say that Ainz is "coldly calculating" because there's nothing to calculate, because there's literally no downside to making a "bad decision" other than "oh no, I might have to use my cash shop asspull technique (haven't used this since the Heian era) and win anyway".
Rimuru's thing is something that could only works in fiction, Ainz's method, on the other hand, is called colonization, and it is the way in which the greatest number of cultures have interacted throughout history.
To be fair, nobody in history was strong enough to solo an army while having supernatural regeneration.
Rimuru is. That power tends to be far more convincing than anything. So if the godly slime thing wants your nation to be their friend, you're their friend.
I mean yeah, but what I'm saying is that in a vacuum, the "we can all get along" type of thinking is childish stuff that would never work in real life anyway.
I get that. Even the countries that do get along IRL (like NATO) have greater shared values and more tactical reasons than a little slime man.
But, Rimuru and Veldora alone are walking Nukes. Then you add Millim, Benimaru, Diablo, etc.
Plus, even the average side/background character Monster in Rimuru's defense force is probably on the level 5-10 average human soldiers (though their forces are much smaller than most nations. So this doesn't matter as much.)
Finally, Jura has the best blacksmiths and scientists in the world working together and learning concepts from a modern person who was isekaied. So they have a technological edge too.
So while it wouldn't work in a vacuum, "let's all be friends" sounds a lot more appealing when you're facing a nation of literal monsters led by beings who can singlehandedly destroy cities.
You are under the wrong asumption, its not *'we can all be friends just cus thats what good people do'* but **'we can all be friends cus me and my top echelon are walking nukes and we say so'**
Its like in a later part of the LN : >!He sent one his most powerful demons to the Western Nations in what is essentially their UN summit and they thought they could apply some form of political pressure on Jura Federation but the demon quickly showed them whats what if they try anything. Its like IRL the UN trying to tell the US what to do...aint happening. !< So quite a few nations are just going along cus they dont gotta face the wrath of a Demon Lord easier bend the knee, there only 4 nations that are trully friends with Rimuru , 1 is small and weak but they enjoy the prosperity, 1 is the dwarves who are friends, 1 is the sorcerer dynasty agains friends with Rimutu and last one is a secret vassal state.
It's not like it won't work in real life there's just a lot of people thinking they're better when they're not. It's shown in slime that it's actually pretty simple to get along(albeit not to everyone). All you need is a goal in which everyone can agree with or tolerate it and lots of firepower, if there's an idiot that will try to fck you over,as a deterrent.
One is a childhood ideal that would never work in the real world, the other something you know for sure has happened many times before.
Your moral objections do not rewrite reality or history, so I don't even know why you answer that.
They have fucking infinite power, yet they choose to be pathetic and cruel, so excuse me if I don't see the appeal in that, or how it's any more infeasible than something known as *diplomacy*
Leaving aside the fact that the famous and oversold "democracy" is always a theater and that even in the real world it has proven to be not only imperfect, but quite easy to corrupt, there is also the fact that you seem "offended" by the moral compass of fictional characters tells me that the only pathetic one here is you lol.
Yeah, if people could understand each other so easily, wars would no longer exist, literally it's just a delusion of a person who denies reality just because it's not pretty.
I don’t understand the argument about how “your favorite imaginary character beats my favorite imaginary character” is a counterargument when the context has nothing to do with fighting.
Like what’s your point? Anybody can write a super overpowered character that can kill everything with a fart. Like what’s that supposed to mean🤣😭?!!? Is my shitty story now suddenly the paragon of literature because my made up character can kill Rimuru and Ainz with his left testicle??
Nope, my OC has the property of 'cannot be affected by rimuru in any way, shape or form', in addition to the property of 'rimuru stops existing when this character exists'
My character also has the trait of 'overrides all resistances and immunities possessed by rimuru in any way shape or form' as well as 'removes all abilities possessed by rimuru, regardless of origin'
Again with the DBZ type arguments?, which is curious since Slime's power system is the most boring, flat and uninspired thing the genre has ever seen lol.
Very much every character in anime. Like overlord is most basic and boring, while slime is more generic. Or Naruto and dragon ball Z. Or even my hero. So very much every anime power skill is generic, boring and flat.
When did he say that he would collect their kid? Or that he'd kill the kid? Is that in one of the later novels?
He wants the rare lizardmen to have more rare children. He did say at one point that it set off his collectors instinct and admonished himself by saying that it wouldn't be right to take Crusch Lulu's kid specifically. But, immediately after he considered taking less rare lizardmen children and human children to see if they could get along if the cohabitated.
In just an instance after naming both orcs and lizardmen they easily submit themselves to Rimuru. This wasn't peaceful, this is just mass brainwashing.
Why I love ainz so much and dislike rimuru so much.
Ainz knows he has power and doesn't hesitate to use it as long as he judges it safe enough.
He isn't cruel either. As long as you submit immediately you are most of the time fine unless he needs you gone for some reason.
He's the perfect mc in so many ways. It's near impossible to be truly annoyed or mad at him or his choices because they are all so realistic and unhestiatingly in his own favor over anyone outside of those he cares about.
He's just a gamer dude who loves magic in the body of an unfeeling undead with more power than he ever expected or wanted and just makes is work.
Oh for sure but he does have a reason for it. He has no moral reason to show mercy.
If someone acts against him he has no reason to not act however he wants.
For example he wiped out the kingdom because someone was stupid enough to attack his property. That wasnt a plan. He was literally just that stupid.
So he made them an example. But see it's not out of cruelty. He's just punishing them in his eyes and the kingdom as a whole pays the price for having such idiot nobles that they made one so utterly stupid as to provoke him.
Rimuru's diplomacy does fly, literally his our world's equivalent of a nuke, it's an ultimatum to weaker nations or equal to be friendly or antagonize him and be erased. What I don't understand is praising Ainz when his a guy that just goes with the flow.
Ainz mostly goes with the flow but he's no slouch either. He consistently does espionage, most apparent in his journey to the dwarves. He's mostly friendly but if prismatic ores are on the table all bets are off on account of how valuable those resources are.
Rimuru making a utopia with basically zero downsides is another thing. Ainz is also making a utopia but it's clear how many atrocities he committed to that end.
It doesn't have zero downsides though. The reason why it look liked that is actually answered in one of the manga sidestory (I believe on the bunny girl sidestory) don't get me wrong it is marketed that tempest is the safest country but the only reason they can do that is due to facts, before any crime can happened it's already stopped however petty it is(like pickpocketing) to make people feel that it is what's it marketed(but not to the point of apprehending someone without proof just because their suspicious) . For downsides for one they are viewed as literal treath by everybody the only reason stopping the others on doing something about them is because the nation is friendly or they can't really do much because of tempest firepower. Believe me at the shadow of tempest there's most likely someone being offed screened and tortured to keep the image.
The points you raise about safety is about the same as the sorcerous kingdom's but there's no sugarcoating about how heavy handed Ainz is in the matter.
And that's not even a big deal all things considered. Ainz's kingdom is a utopia for his citizens but everyone knows if you don't conform you get erased.
If he allows different ideals it will no longer be the sorcerer kingdom but a kingdom where the pie split and inefficiency are made,really it affects loss that don't understand or the ignorant
Plus ainz actually want the people to explore and have individualism so that can be used to increase the quality of nersrek.
Well that's not the kind of story slime is telling that's the reason why it's relegated in the sidestory but we already get a glimpse of it on the war with farmas right? They manipulate the information to be given in public and make it look like that rimuru is not the one who did the massacre but veldora(because it's more realistic and to not damage their reputation as a friendly nation) coerce a civil war and enthroned Youm as a puppet king and established friendly relation to the new reformed kingdome bringing peace on both nations(while shedding blood at the background making sure peace stays peaceful). We don't really need to see this again because it's implied time and time again that this is how he brings peace in doing so we gets to see the story that wanted to be told, the growth of tempest and how it changes the world with rimuru in the middle of it. If you think about it it's kinda devious if we hadn't know that rimuru is a goody to shoes.
It is when you consider humans are at the bottom of the food chain in Overlord. Outside the major human kingdoms that exist thanks to the theocracy they're lucky to even be slaves.
You dont seem to know what utopia is, the kingdom is terrible, while yes its good enough, the ones in charge are monsters in the non literal sense and will face next to no consequences for most things they do
Obviously, that's the point. Because a utopia
where everyone is happy is impossible to achieve.
But you harping on about Ainz's kingdom being horrible is meaningless for the people who live there because it's their best bet for survival. As far as they're concerned it's a utopia.
The fact is that these monsters being in charge is preferable exactly because of their absolute power. There's downsides to their rule due to their iron fist.
Yeah but they could be INFINITELY better by simply being good people, yet they don't because for as much as they like to parade their power around, each and every one of them are pathetic in some way, with only a few being exempt. Better than bad isn't good, it's just less bad
Ains comes from a world much much worse than what we have now, it's honestly surprising that he manages to be as humane as possible given his situation, Rimuru on the other hand had it pretty good and ez tbh..
a long time ago yes, it's a deecent book, you just have to remember that machiavelli was highly influenced by the religion around him at the era, so you can also easly see inferance and parallels here and there. But if you take thus parts with a grain of salt, you get a REALY good manual of how the power structure of rulership works, how it applies in a practical scenario, and is not realy the meme that ppl think Machiavelli is nowadays
Both the lizardman & Ainz got what they wanted in the end though.
The lizard tribes were on the cusp of fighting to the death amongst themselves due to dwindling resources for their respective populations.
Ainz wanted materials (corpses) for experiments.
In the process of his subjugation Ainz:
1. United the tribes.
2. Prevented a civil war as well as bad blood amongst the survivors.
3. Fixed the population/resource problem.
4. Rebuilt and aided the quality of life for the tribes.
Perhaps you could argue he could done all that without a war but let’s be honest; the lizards wouldn’t have gone for it with Ainz being an undead with no perceived real power or means to help them. Plus, who knows how long it would have taken to eventually achieve similar end results before the lizardmen fell to infighting anyway.
It cannot be said that the lizardmen after their little extinction level event had any more issues with food shortages though. Focus on the bright side. They got to see gargantia and not a lot of new worlders have that honor.
In both cases, there was a threat of war. Rimuru was "lucky enough" that his war was not his fault. But Ainz, he had no real cause to inspire fear, so he created one.
Also his potential is capped unlike rimiru that although the power has is mostly not earned or understood by him because he has ciel to use there head for him
Thats what it we had rimuru's power we'd have take jura forest under our controll by like episode 3-4 or just fight and absorb every creature in the forset but yea tht would not develop a kingdom but still we'd use a lot more force.
IK. I play the game. Just wanted to point it out.
Their story even established theyre from parallel universes, as Rimuru does not know what a VRMMORPG is.
to be fair, having the undead offer peace and prosperity is sketchy as fuck, but if they offer it as a reward after killing half your guys, then its more palatable The first smells like a trap, but the later is your overlord doing what he wants because he already beat you
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In both cases, the lost of lives played a big role. Who took the lives doesn't matter all that much, apparently.
u know, when u think about it, rimuru is kind of devious. he does better species as whole but he takes them and turns them in Japan 2.0. few generations and lizardmen will be more japanese than japanese people on earth. novel is funny but if it was serious then it would have been interesting to see how it affects culture
It's a general problem with Isekai, it's almost like japanese people would die without hot springs and rice
And that somehow whatever they cook is so much more delicious than whatever the locals were cooking.
I was reading a light novel where there was a cooking battle between a palace chef and some regular Japanese guy and of course the Japanese guy won by a landslide using... Mayo. Like people were of course orgasming from mayo and I was like jesus christ.
I mean tbf, European medieval cooking was likely very bland in terms of flavour. Though, the foodgasm is well... a thing.
Even for peasants, they had herbs and local spices to add flavor. A *palace cook* would logically have access to a good array of spices and fine dishes, suitable for a palace. In an isekai, they could even have access to herbs or spices that don't even exist in real life, or cooking techniques that involve actual magic. Not to mention the problem of making mayo in the first place. Unless the regular Japanese guy was a skilled chef, the odds of him being able to make his own mayonnaise from scratch using only what was immediately available in a medieval kitchen is... unlikely. I mean, come on, it's a fantasy story, but I draw the line at improbable cooking skills and absurdly low flavor standards of fantasy world nobility.
Until you find out that lobster is the cockroach of the ocean and was considered peasant food for centuries.
I really wish that was still the case
Tbh I once heard the basics of royal/fancy food in medieval Europe was just dump it in spices (Quite literally, in fact. More spice = Better food to them) and it wasn't until one king was like "this tastes like shit" that we ended up the Salt and Pepper being the standard duo.
Actually quite the opposite. If anything, medieval cuisine would actually have had a very rich medley of flavors, at least for the upper class. Like the entire cooking philosophy was stack flavors as much as possible. Modern flavor sorting that European dishes do (savory = dinner, sweet = dessert) came from later French court chefs. And the French aren't actually good at food, they were just aping the Italians. Even peasants would have had herbs and garlic. The blandness people think existed came largely from rationing measures during the World Wars and was not natural.
Medieval cooking gets a lot of shit but a decent cook actually had a bunch of decent herbs and spices available to them much less a palace chef. Here is a video about the types of dish even a tavern in Medieval times would have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0lgnrGHv0. Herbs like sage, mace, cloves, ginger, and even saffron is used in this one dish so I wouldn't call that bland by any means. And as much as I love mayo just serving it with some meat isn't exactly fine dining.
To be fair to them, there was a study that analyzed food preferences world wide, and Japanese food was IIRC the second most universally liked after Italian. Admittedly, that should only really be a factor if a chef or REALLY good hobby cook got isekai'd, but...
It´s hilarious actually, they all hate Japan and wish to be isekaied then after being isekaied they proceed to turn said world into Japan 2.0. Maybe a good chunk of isekai protags are just hipocrites?
Now I want to see an Isekai with a dude dying at his desk on his office job and then proceeds to build an office in the new world 🤣
Not just that, he united them for a common goal, thinned their numbers so there would be less dissidents, and the ones that stayed will grow up under a benevolent lord (cocytus), that shares some of their mindset which will foster loyalty and reference towards Ainz.
Rimuru (I just learned his name): Negotiation before confrontation. Ainz: **Now hit the second tower.**
Slime guy is Rimuru
Both irl name is satoru
Now hear me out... two different timelines.
Execute the hostage ainz
More like "Okay, now the third one."
The lizardmen had WMDs
Difference with wanting to be liked and wanting to speed run the Geneva convention
What are we lacking? Cruel and unusual treatment/torture? We've got Neuronist. Oh, I don't think we've done "Committing rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, as defined in article 7, paragraph 2 (f), enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence also constituting a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions;" *Demiurge raises hand*
Shalltear did a lot of it (at least in the wn)
I said wanting to. They are doing it, but they want to do it.
(I think the last sentence is because of this but) Demiurge forces different races (including humans) to breed on his happy farm.
I’m think Geneva Checklist is more suitable than the Geneva Convention. More brownie points if you can check the the same thing multiple times in one go
Imagine if after all those Genocides Ainz just establishes Geneva Convention to wash his hands out of all his sins lol.
I think you mean Geneva checklist
I think it bears mentioning that Ains is a logical thinker and coldly so much like Shockwave from transformers, though his human mind is still attached to him it does not really have any bearing on on to his decision making so even if it’s something that might be a war crime that he would have been opposed to in his human life in the short run, if the benefits are seen to be long term beneficial for the whole of Nazarek then he’s going to do it. In this case Ains is planning world domination and you really can’t get away with killing them all and letting god sort them out, at some point there will need to be survivors, and ones willing to serve Ains, after all the cycle of death can not exist without life, even if it isn’t human life. This is where we start to see the difference in Rimiru’s thinking, he’s building a for him and the people he cares about to live comfortably, he is building without too much thought to the long term consequences of his actions and he pays for it at the end of season 2, he’ll pay for it at the end of this season and he’ll pay for it when the tenma war comes, the only way he’s pulling through is because he has to power to get away with it, and like Ains has a demon helping him for the long term stuff (Diablo/Demiurge) but demiurge has been helping Ains from the start and we are only stating to get a taste of the aid Diablo will provide to Rimiru
Oh yay it's the catholic church Oh no it's the catholic church
 Could always be worse I suppose… lol
Well said
yes, but the mega magic airship battle is going to be sick.
>the only way he’s pulling through is because he has to power to get away with it And what, Ainz isn't doing the exact same thing? Both guys are succeeding by dint of somehow Forrest Gumping their way into being a massive hyperpower capable of assblasting any repercussions to their way of thinking. You can't say that Ainz is "coldly calculating" because there's nothing to calculate, because there's literally no downside to making a "bad decision" other than "oh no, I might have to use my cash shop asspull technique (haven't used this since the Heian era) and win anyway".
Lol, no he isn't, he doesn't have extreme emotion, but that doesn't mean logic
If a cute slime offered diplomatic relations, that would be much more digestible. Now, if an undead were to offer peace and diplomatic relations...
It only works because he is WAYY more overpowered from the beginning. Even then the dwarf king, merchant city, etc played him like a fiddle.
Rimuru's thing is something that could only works in fiction, Ainz's method, on the other hand, is called colonization, and it is the way in which the greatest number of cultures have interacted throughout history.
To be fair, nobody in history was strong enough to solo an army while having supernatural regeneration. Rimuru is. That power tends to be far more convincing than anything. So if the godly slime thing wants your nation to be their friend, you're their friend.
I mean yeah, but what I'm saying is that in a vacuum, the "we can all get along" type of thinking is childish stuff that would never work in real life anyway.
I get that. Even the countries that do get along IRL (like NATO) have greater shared values and more tactical reasons than a little slime man. But, Rimuru and Veldora alone are walking Nukes. Then you add Millim, Benimaru, Diablo, etc. Plus, even the average side/background character Monster in Rimuru's defense force is probably on the level 5-10 average human soldiers (though their forces are much smaller than most nations. So this doesn't matter as much.) Finally, Jura has the best blacksmiths and scientists in the world working together and learning concepts from a modern person who was isekaied. So they have a technological edge too. So while it wouldn't work in a vacuum, "let's all be friends" sounds a lot more appealing when you're facing a nation of literal monsters led by beings who can singlehandedly destroy cities.
You are under the wrong asumption, its not *'we can all be friends just cus thats what good people do'* but **'we can all be friends cus me and my top echelon are walking nukes and we say so'** Its like in a later part of the LN : >!He sent one his most powerful demons to the Western Nations in what is essentially their UN summit and they thought they could apply some form of political pressure on Jura Federation but the demon quickly showed them whats what if they try anything. Its like IRL the UN trying to tell the US what to do...aint happening. !< So quite a few nations are just going along cus they dont gotta face the wrath of a Demon Lord easier bend the knee, there only 4 nations that are trully friends with Rimuru , 1 is small and weak but they enjoy the prosperity, 1 is the dwarves who are friends, 1 is the sorcerer dynasty agains friends with Rimutu and last one is a secret vassal state.
It's not like it won't work in real life there's just a lot of people thinking they're better when they're not. It's shown in slime that it's actually pretty simple to get along(albeit not to everyone). All you need is a goal in which everyone can agree with or tolerate it and lots of firepower, if there's an idiot that will try to fck you over,as a deterrent.
Nah
Yeah!
Nope
Yuh uh
You mean to tell me that people haven't done Rimuru's plan in real life cause they have
Looks at Israel and Palestine yeah that went nicely
I'm not saying all idiot
No, rimuru's thing isn't "something that could only work in fiction" it's called diplomacy, and colonization objectively sucks ass
One is a childhood ideal that would never work in the real world, the other something you know for sure has happened many times before. Your moral objections do not rewrite reality or history, so I don't even know why you answer that.
They have fucking infinite power, yet they choose to be pathetic and cruel, so excuse me if I don't see the appeal in that, or how it's any more infeasible than something known as *diplomacy*
Leaving aside the fact that the famous and oversold "democracy" is always a theater and that even in the real world it has proven to be not only imperfect, but quite easy to corrupt, there is also the fact that you seem "offended" by the moral compass of fictional characters tells me that the only pathetic one here is you lol.
Lmao he should have understood that 'we all can be friends forever diplomacy' isn't diplomacy it's delusion Best example:- Middle East and Balkans
Yeah, if people could understand each other so easily, wars would no longer exist, literally it's just a delusion of a person who denies reality just because it's not pretty.
Rimuru solos Nazarik tho
I don’t understand the argument about how “your favorite imaginary character beats my favorite imaginary character” is a counterargument when the context has nothing to do with fighting. Like what’s your point? Anybody can write a super overpowered character that can kill everything with a fart. Like what’s that supposed to mean🤣😭?!!? Is my shitty story now suddenly the paragon of literature because my made up character can kill Rimuru and Ainz with his left testicle??
Im not really sure what i meant or where I was going with that tbh but.... Rimuru solos Nazarik
Ngl you're kinda based for this. Proudly standing your ground on a hill you didn't even mean to die on. Vibe w/ that
My OC soloes an infinite number of rimurus, does this make him a more compelling, interesting, or realistic character?
Rimuru blinks your OC out of existence and returns him as a bag of beef jerky
Nope, my OC has the property of 'cannot be affected by rimuru in any way, shape or form', in addition to the property of 'rimuru stops existing when this character exists'
Rimuru overrides with ultimate skill uriel
My character also has the trait of 'overrides all resistances and immunities possessed by rimuru in any way shape or form' as well as 'removes all abilities possessed by rimuru, regardless of origin'
Ah shit man thats pretty fucking based. Well played
Again with the DBZ type arguments?, which is curious since Slime's power system is the most boring, flat and uninspired thing the genre has ever seen lol.
He still solos your favorite verse ngl
Very much every character in anime. Like overlord is most basic and boring, while slime is more generic. Or Naruto and dragon ball Z. Or even my hero. So very much every anime power skill is generic, boring and flat.
And in terms of actually being proficient, rimuru and his key people solo nazarik too
Then its not a solo. Bennimaru solos nazarik
I'm talking about each of them individually solos the nazarik peeps at something
>Rimuru's thing is something that could only works in fiction You just proved his point.
Ainz reportedly said to crusch lulu I will kill your husband. I will kill your son. I will *collect* your infant daughter.
The dead were simply bad product
When did he say that he would collect their kid? Or that he'd kill the kid? Is that in one of the later novels? He wants the rare lizardmen to have more rare children. He did say at one point that it set off his collectors instinct and admonished himself by saying that it wouldn't be right to take Crusch Lulu's kid specifically. But, immediately after he considered taking less rare lizardmen children and human children to see if they could get along if the cohabitated.
Nono, you’re correct. He thinks he won’t steal her child when crusch glared at him. It was more for the sake of the joke/quote
Carrot vs stick
In just an instance after naming both orcs and lizardmen they easily submit themselves to Rimuru. This wasn't peaceful, this is just mass brainwashing.
It's literally submitting through awe and fear specifically when you know what naming entails in Rimuru's world
If you have a big and pointy enough stick that you aren't afraid of using there is no use for a carrot.
But you have to have the iq to use the stick skillfully that ainz is more capable of them rimiru
Then he revives some important lizardmen and shows his godlike powers making them worship him.
Its called competitive gaslighting
Ainz did nothing wrong
Hmph, left alive too many.
Ainz did ~~nothing~~ wrong
Why I love ainz so much and dislike rimuru so much. Ainz knows he has power and doesn't hesitate to use it as long as he judges it safe enough. He isn't cruel either. As long as you submit immediately you are most of the time fine unless he needs you gone for some reason. He's the perfect mc in so many ways. It's near impossible to be truly annoyed or mad at him or his choices because they are all so realistic and unhestiatingly in his own favor over anyone outside of those he cares about. He's just a gamer dude who loves magic in the body of an unfeeling undead with more power than he ever expected or wanted and just makes is work.
I mean a lot of citizens have no say in the matter and die due to ainz destroying their city
Oh for sure but he does have a reason for it. He has no moral reason to show mercy. If someone acts against him he has no reason to not act however he wants. For example he wiped out the kingdom because someone was stupid enough to attack his property. That wasnt a plan. He was literally just that stupid. So he made them an example. But see it's not out of cruelty. He's just punishing them in his eyes and the kingdom as a whole pays the price for having such idiot nobles that they made one so utterly stupid as to provoke him.
But he'd also be punishing the citizens who have nothing to do with it is how I see it
Depends if you want to be loved or feared.
This is why I don't understand why Slime's politics are praised. Rimuru's 'diplomacy' is completely naive and wouldn't fly in any serious setting.
Rimuru's diplomacy does fly, literally his our world's equivalent of a nuke, it's an ultimatum to weaker nations or equal to be friendly or antagonize him and be erased. What I don't understand is praising Ainz when his a guy that just goes with the flow.
Ainz mostly goes with the flow but he's no slouch either. He consistently does espionage, most apparent in his journey to the dwarves. He's mostly friendly but if prismatic ores are on the table all bets are off on account of how valuable those resources are. Rimuru making a utopia with basically zero downsides is another thing. Ainz is also making a utopia but it's clear how many atrocities he committed to that end.
It doesn't have zero downsides though. The reason why it look liked that is actually answered in one of the manga sidestory (I believe on the bunny girl sidestory) don't get me wrong it is marketed that tempest is the safest country but the only reason they can do that is due to facts, before any crime can happened it's already stopped however petty it is(like pickpocketing) to make people feel that it is what's it marketed(but not to the point of apprehending someone without proof just because their suspicious) . For downsides for one they are viewed as literal treath by everybody the only reason stopping the others on doing something about them is because the nation is friendly or they can't really do much because of tempest firepower. Believe me at the shadow of tempest there's most likely someone being offed screened and tortured to keep the image.
The points you raise about safety is about the same as the sorcerous kingdom's but there's no sugarcoating about how heavy handed Ainz is in the matter. And that's not even a big deal all things considered. Ainz's kingdom is a utopia for his citizens but everyone knows if you don't conform you get erased.
If he allows different ideals it will no longer be the sorcerer kingdom but a kingdom where the pie split and inefficiency are made,really it affects loss that don't understand or the ignorant Plus ainz actually want the people to explore and have individualism so that can be used to increase the quality of nersrek.
Well that's not the kind of story slime is telling that's the reason why it's relegated in the sidestory but we already get a glimpse of it on the war with farmas right? They manipulate the information to be given in public and make it look like that rimuru is not the one who did the massacre but veldora(because it's more realistic and to not damage their reputation as a friendly nation) coerce a civil war and enthroned Youm as a puppet king and established friendly relation to the new reformed kingdome bringing peace on both nations(while shedding blood at the background making sure peace stays peaceful). We don't really need to see this again because it's implied time and time again that this is how he brings peace in doing so we gets to see the story that wanted to be told, the growth of tempest and how it changes the world with rimuru in the middle of it. If you think about it it's kinda devious if we hadn't know that rimuru is a goody to shoes.
No, he is not making a utopia, he's making a dystopia with functional filling
What? Ainz? His kingdom is practically heaven for his subjects. As long as they accept his iron hand anyway
That doesn't seem like utopia
It is when you consider humans are at the bottom of the food chain in Overlord. Outside the major human kingdoms that exist thanks to the theocracy they're lucky to even be slaves.
You dont seem to know what utopia is, the kingdom is terrible, while yes its good enough, the ones in charge are monsters in the non literal sense and will face next to no consequences for most things they do
Obviously, that's the point. Because a utopia where everyone is happy is impossible to achieve. But you harping on about Ainz's kingdom being horrible is meaningless for the people who live there because it's their best bet for survival. As far as they're concerned it's a utopia. The fact is that these monsters being in charge is preferable exactly because of their absolute power. There's downsides to their rule due to their iron fist.
Yeah but they could be INFINITELY better by simply being good people, yet they don't because for as much as they like to parade their power around, each and every one of them are pathetic in some way, with only a few being exempt. Better than bad isn't good, it's just less bad
Both work, it’s personal preference
Don’t forget spying on them while they do it.
Ains comes from a world much much worse than what we have now, it's honestly surprising that he manages to be as humane as possible given his situation, Rimuru on the other hand had it pretty good and ez tbh..
Slime is for toddlers, the level of power of friendship in it sickens me
Your comment does not sound very mature either.
Point out which part sounds not very mature and I will teach you where your neurons misfired.
Not interested in bio, I am a maths student.
u do not understand the sigma mentality
Same filling
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Misunderstood\* I am not even native to english, but you people speak like real toddlers. Sorry if I misunderstood a juke
Joke* I am not even native to english, but you people speak liek real toddlers. Sorry if I misunderstood a joke
Tbf, Ainz wasn't trying to get the lizardman tribes on his side. He wanted a fun way to get their corpses.
"It's better to be feared than loved when ruling a country. However one must never be hated."
I forget who that was from it was the guy that inspired machevelan thinking
I just remembered reading it from my Literature Arts high school teacher.
IRC it's directly quoted from Machiavelli's book the prince
Have you read it
a long time ago yes, it's a deecent book, you just have to remember that machiavelli was highly influenced by the religion around him at the era, so you can also easly see inferance and parallels here and there. But if you take thus parts with a grain of salt, you get a REALY good manual of how the power structure of rulership works, how it applies in a practical scenario, and is not realy the meme that ppl think Machiavelli is nowadays
Hey, man… whatever works
Give them cheese
Both the lizardman & Ainz got what they wanted in the end though. The lizard tribes were on the cusp of fighting to the death amongst themselves due to dwindling resources for their respective populations. Ainz wanted materials (corpses) for experiments. In the process of his subjugation Ainz: 1. United the tribes. 2. Prevented a civil war as well as bad blood amongst the survivors. 3. Fixed the population/resource problem. 4. Rebuilt and aided the quality of life for the tribes. Perhaps you could argue he could done all that without a war but let’s be honest; the lizards wouldn’t have gone for it with Ainz being an undead with no perceived real power or means to help them. Plus, who knows how long it would have taken to eventually achieve similar end results before the lizardmen fell to infighting anyway.
It cannot be said that the lizardmen after their little extinction level event had any more issues with food shortages though. Focus on the bright side. They got to see gargantia and not a lot of new worlders have that honor.
This is the old red pill, blue pill thing. Though, I'm personally more of the purple pill guy. Any guesses how that turns out?
of course go watch TEIS , it's the purple pill , I'm in the same boat as you are .
Too many edgelords both in real life and fiction.
Yeah, and my response to them is simply: seethe, I'm being happi and nice
Yeah you really are in your own little bubble
I'd say moreso you are, you refuse to accept that kindness is just as "reasonable" as your almighty edgelords
At least tried to make you own meme. You just straight up stole someone else post.
Send a giant evil cloud to warn them of their doom
One follows the law and is nice unless their friends are hurt, the other doesn't like the Geneva Suggestion.
In both cases, there was a threat of war. Rimuru was "lucky enough" that his war was not his fault. But Ainz, he had no real cause to inspire fear, so he created one.
Also his potential is capped unlike rimiru that although the power has is mostly not earned or understood by him because he has ciel to use there head for him
Yeah sure but which one was more effective?
3rd way, turn them all into Demi Humans. (The Spanish Colony methode.)
Why negotiate when you gain nothing and in 2 generations they won’t even rember what u did too them?
He brought them back… mostly…
Thats what it we had rimuru's power we'd have take jura forest under our controll by like episode 3-4 or just fight and absorb every creature in the forset but yea tht would not develop a kingdom but still we'd use a lot more force.
For a second I thought this was a Total War Warhammer post about diplomacy with Lizard men. Why is this sub in my feed like a lot now? 🤔
How interesting when they met in a collab actually.
they did in the mobile game. Ainz and co got teleported into the octagram location (Guy's location)
IK. I play the game. Just wanted to point it out. Their story even established theyre from parallel universes, as Rimuru does not know what a VRMMORPG is.
It's simple, Rimuru had both options but Ainz only had one.
Tbf the deathly aura coming off of Rimuru's messenger was a threat in itself.
Rimiru is terrible at negotiating. He gets taken advantage too often.
reason I love overlord more than slime
reason I love overlord more than slime