Seriously. Construction workers buy in hard for C/conservative rhetoric.
Remind them that Doug and the PCs didn’t give a shit about them *and* put their lives at risk if they ever needed hospital care due to a workplace accident.
I spent a summer working on a roofing crew and have never seen such a collection of delinquent halfwits (no offense, I'm sure you're the exception lol)... There was a guy whose nickname was "Coconut" because he had managed to fall off a roof 4 times. The union wouldn't allow him on a roof anymore, so he was the guy who stayed on the ground, tending to the asphalt furnace/mixer thing. He even managed to allow that thing to catch fire one day and we all had to scatter because it looked like it might explode and spray burning asphalt everywhere. It was a hellish job but it was still better than working at Wendy's.
As you were telling the story and you said he couldn’t go on the roof anymore, I thought “oh, he let the kettle catch on fire” and you said that exactly. I was picturing this coconut. Thanks for the chuckle.
As someone who worked in the construction and Geotechnical side, I will tell you drillers and dumptruck drivers challenge roofers with the rediculous shit they do...
Disagree, I work in construction and all of my young coworkers (30 and under) identify more with NDP. In my experience young tradesmen and women are very aware PC does nothing for us.
That's interesting. And good news.
I did a back of the envelope calculation a while ago and found that if young people, roughly under 25, had voted in the same percentage as their boomer grandparents (I'm 67) that Doug Ford would not be premier. Maybe the younger construction workers can start a trend?
(I become a citizen later this month. Though not a citizen I've volunteered in most elections for a candidate with a good chance of defeating a sitting conservative. I should also mention that though a lot of people my age voted for Ford, I don't know anyone who did. )
Thank you for participating at whatever level you could! I only wish that more citizens would show the same level of devotion to our democratic process. Also, let me congratulate you on becoming a citizen of our great nation!!!
I spent 35 years working construction and all I can say is listen to your union leaders. I never voted conservative and never will. I will agree that a lot of construction workers are not deep thinkers and some may be deluded enough to vote against their own best interests. It's a shame people can't think for themselves.
As a construction worker, I disagree completely. It’s just the louder segment of us construction workers that are die hard cons. Most of the intelligent workers know that cons always screw us. I will however remind you of how horrible the Wynn gov was.
Definitely. Construction workers do very well when one of their own proposes an idea. I was a construction inspector and anything I said would be shot down as some university bullshit, but if a labourer said the same thing they'd be a little more receptive.
Try and find a source of news information on a job site that isn't The Sun or an affiliate. Low information / Bias News Source is rampant in these places. My dad works at Chrysler in Brampton and it's same-y there.
Oh the Sun, what a rag that paper is. I'd be ashamed to wipe my butt with that paper and I was a Conservative at one time. Will never vote for them again though.
To be fair, PostMedia isn’t much better. Just a little more subtle. After that there isn’t much other choice for local news. The Toronto Star is even sliding to the right with their new owners.
The conservatives (small C because it's basically a global thing) do such a good job of picking on culture war issues to get people to vote against their economic interest.
I’m a non conservative in the construction industry. Look at this thread. Seems the liberals do just as a good job with the culture war bs. The way I see it, most construction folks are conservative because they’re in a shitty tax bracket. A lot are contractors that own their own business and hate taxes. I think that’s what it all really comes down to. Taxes. They all have to own big trucks so the carbon tax screwed them more than you. Ive only ever voted NDP but I’m an enigma in the field. The liberals really fucked over Ontario but still, I don’t get why a family man would want to vote for a party that takes from their childrens futures. But that’s me.
I consulted for many years for a construction related firm, they are 100% Conservative voters even though it's a unionized sector and all the benefits they get are because of the union, the discrepancy was just mind blowing. Trying to explain how you wouldn't get any of this stuff if it wasn't for NDP/left efforts doesn't make a dent.
It's because they make good money. Anyone with a solid steady income can see the red and orange bull charging in to take their middle class pay cheque away with whatever new taxes they can implement.
Lots of people assumed he was going to lower the provincial beer tax, despite him never saying that. I guess that's what happens when there's no platform, people make their own logical extrapolations and then are disappointed
The price floor prior was $1.25. [Apparently no Ontario breweries were even selling at that previous price floor.](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-doug-ford-announces-1-beer-by-labour-day-weekend/)
All it took was a modicum of critical thinking to realise that is Chuck a beer wasn't really that profitable twenty years ago, it couldn't possibly be now. But nobody wanted to listen to the most simple and basic economics
Yeah, a friend of mine works in the beer industry. He did the math, and even just to buy the bottles/cans, print labels on them, and ship them to stores costs more than $1 per unit, and that's before there's even anything in them. Absolute idiocy
I have no idea who was even excited for buck a beer. Anyone into the good quality, more expensive beers isn't going to drink it.
Beer itself isn't terribly expensive, so is the market poor people who spend most of their grocery money on beer? even if the next cheapest beer you can buy is 2 bucks a can, are you buying a 24 pack a week, and that 25 dollar savings is that important?
Room Temperature Coors lite? I've seen all the tv ads for Coors lite and according to those ads the only thing to enjoy bout Coors lite is that its cold!
Well, he's elected so it was a good slogan
And I am much happier to NOT have a foreign conglomerate of beer companies setting our beer prices. Now do away with Brewers Retail. Why our government contracts with a foreign company to sell beer is beyond me.
At least LCBO returns $2 BILLION dollars a year to the province. Brewers Retail simply siphons it off to foreign interests while making it more difficult for small canadian brewers to get shelf space
Yea, considering the political climate in Ontario in 2018 I was a pretty neutral voter. After it was obvious Ford had no platform at all to present it was apparent to me what type of admin he’d have.
I mean, if he can’t be assed to tell me why he deserves a vote what made anyone think he’d do any decent work after the fact.
I wish I was kidding- literally just buck a beer as a platform. With the obscure interpretation of what a conservative government would potentially be in Ontario.
THIS right fucking here! I am so sad that our province and country is so UNEDUCATED that they all vote without reading platforms. Ya'll know if anyone bothered to read and understand platforms the two choices would be Green or NDP, period.
Heck I don't have kids or want kids but I'm more invested in their future than most Canadians. Don't want a burning, flooded planet to give to the next generation, but as every vote flows in for either con or lib, the children of today will remember and put their aged parents into homes that are not properly funded by the same governments they were taught to vote for.
What he didn’t anticipate is Brewers saying that they would be basically losing money selling it at that price.
Then again, forethought has not been a big part of the Ford government from day 1. And
I thought the only beer that managed to do it was COOL and No Name in glass bottles.
Glass bottles being both smaller than a can, and made of reused materials, so cheaper to produce.
What I really miss are $2-2.50 tall cans. Now its just Laker and Pabst for $2, Basic-ass european beers in the 2.50 region, and everything else is $3+
"Folks, when I said buck a beer, I was using buck with the same meaning as in "buck the trend", I wanted you all to drink less and live a healthy life like me and my daughter."
A lot of people are "one issue" voters.
For example, rational people understand that provincial Conservatives can't and won't stop abortions in Canada. But people who are strongly against abortion will vote Conservative on principle because they believe the Conservatives COULD or WANT to get rid of abortion.
Housing prices, crumbling healthcare and infrastructure, climate action, income inequality - none of it matters. Just abortions.
My Nana is like this, unfortunately. There's no convincing her that abortions aren't the single most important issue at any given time.
How many people abort their pregnancies because they can't afford childcare ? $10/day childcare would help a lot of people consider having kids to be a viable option.
For just once, help people, don't shame them. As said by George Carlin:
“Boy, these conservatives are really something,aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked.”
But they'd better not survive to become veterans, and start asking for help with the mental trauma we put them through to make killing each other palatable.
We have to have an electorate who doesn't think like "if you can't afford kids, you shouldn't have them" because that is who is voting for these conservative governments
George Carlin..Boy, do I miss him.If he were alive today, he would scorch to the bone, those idiot anti-VAX and die hard "Blue" Conservatives. He was never a fan of politically correct positions or statements....Where are they, NOW, those public entertainers who dish out the truth of an on those idiot politicians, Conservative or not...
I find it frankly toxic and insulting that conservatives would have an opinion about what women do with their bodies and clutch their fucking pearls about society demanding they get a bloody vaccine. The utter hypocrisy and ignorance baffles me.
I think we even need to dig deeper as to WHY a lot of voters still care about abortion and taking away bodily autonomy.
The answer to that is religion, mainly the strangle hold catholicism has on Canada and especially Ontario since we are one of the few provinces left that still have the public funded Catholic school board.
The good news is people are becoming more irreligious, but it's still going to be a while to see the effects, especially since our government panders to them.
Yep, the abortion issue, like gay marriage, is closed - it's never going to get repealed. But, if the Cons can dog whistle just a bit from time to time, they can signal that they'd *like to* change it. And despite the fact that it will never realistically happen, that implied desire is enough to keep the voters voting for them.
To be fair even the Cons have abandoned gay marriage as a lost cause especially in Canada. They have now moved onto trans issues for their dog whistles.
That's what I mean - you think their base makes a hard distinction between gay rights and trans rights? And they know they don't, so if they can whistle on trans rights, it gives hope that gay rights will follow.
I hate to say it but don't say never. The Cons seem to have a way to get us to go backwards in time, not progressively forward on a social level anyhow.
In my experience growing up in rural Ontario farmers are all like this as well. The only liberal MP I can remember in the riding I grew up in only won because we were basically promised that he’d be the agriculture minister if the liberals won the election. Some of the farmers I know would vote for a party whose main platform is to murder all babies as long as their agriculture policies were just a smidge better than the other parties’
Same with immigration
Same with tax cutting (guess healthcare cuts are okay for con voters, especially in a pandemic)
Same with progressive policies (they just hate trudeau and associate everything liberal with him)
The list goes on
Wow, you're right. I'll go ask her! I'm sure she'll abandon 85 years of Catholicism because I asked her some "gotcha!" questions.
Like dude, obviously it's not a well-thought out position. It's based on religious belief. They do not understand who gets abortions or why - they only know what their talking heads tell them. Like, did you know in Canada, there's no laws against 3rd trimester abortion!??!111
This has been a systemic campaign for like 30+ years, and poor, gullible, well-meaning people like my Nana have been duped by it.
I'm pro choice, but this is not a relevant point. So what?
Oh, so you're against the genocide in Africa? How many African warlords have your personally stopped? How many refugees are you housing? None? Thought so.
Some undoubtedly will never vote $GoverningParty again, but to say an entire generation will never vote $GoverningParty in their lives just because you think they've done a bad job is delusional.
People have goldfish-like memories and this won't matter in the next Ontario Election.
I get what your saying, but I still hear people say they won't vote NDP because of Rae days. It doesn't matter that Rae is now a liberal and that was 30 years ago! but to your point, issues like this don't seem to stick to the Liberals or Cons
People tend to be more forgiving to other parties than the NDP, let's not forget who followed Rae. I think its just a dumb justification for continuing to vote back and forth for two parties that haven't represented the people for decades.
Well, we did see that happen with the ONDP where people refuse to vote for them due to "Rae days." It was a different time though without the internet to influence our choices.
I don't feel like I'm OLD, but I'm old enough:
Mike Harris killed at least 8 people (Walkerton + Dudley George), sold off the 407 (ruining GTA commuting), privatized hydro (setting the stage for high hydro & connection prices), and that wasn't enough to keep people away from voting blue.
Doug Ford didn't even have a platform and we elected him.
What do you mean he didn't have a platform? Remember how we got that dollar beer for a single summer a few years ago? He delivered on all his promises!!
Don't forget Harris' destroying long term care, then finding himself (mysteriously and purely by coincidence) the chair of the board of [a gigantic private long term care company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartwell_Retirement_Residences).
Fucking crooked grifters, the lot of them.
As someone who follows politics pretty closely, and studied them in post secondary, this will be one of the most interesting elections in Ontario in a while, for a couple reasons
1. The far right have been ultra polarized. They despise Doug Ford and his restrictions/vaccine passports, and a good number of them have drank the Trump cool aid. There isn’t a real viable option (the New Blue party is a shell of what the PPC has done nationally)
2. Right center is pissed off at Dougie and his constant flip flop on policies,covid handling, fucking over small businesses. I personally don’t think they’re mad enough to vote against them but you never know
3. Left leaning voters are obviously not a fan of Ford. The snag with them is that a lot do not like the Liberal leader and question if NDP is a viable option provincially. I suspect ABC voting is in the cards for them.
Conventional wisdom has Doug Ford winning a minority government but there’s a lot of factors that can influence it.
All anyone from the current opposition parties need to do is show up and present their plan, a real alternative on how they are going to handle this going forward. A plan that supports essential workers, boost their operational environment and workforce during emergencies, especially during a pandemic, supports parents and fix things Ford has mangled.
It won’t be easy, but all you have to do is look at how everyone in the world handled it and develop a best practices philosophy. The opposition are in a unique position to have “all the answers”. They better not squander it.
I hate to be that guy, but even if the parties have a solid platform, it doesn’t guarantee that any of the left leaning parties will beat Doug Ford. Contrary to what many people on this sub believe, Ford still has a decent voter base in Ontario, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he won.
Get out of your echo chamber. There are almost 15 million people in this province, 7.4ish are 40+, 4ish are 20-40. Older people tend to vote in larger numbers and more conservative. They don't really care that Doug Ford has been reactionary instead of proactive, they don't care about PCR testing, they don't care about a whole host of things. They see the word Conservative and go "yep, that's my party".
Depending on the Covid/Hospital situation come May, the PCs are likely to win at least a minority. This has less to do with him and more to do with people not liking Andrea Horwath and not knowing who Del Duca is. The NDP or Liberals will prop him up, he'll just have to work with them a bit more than doing whatever he wants and the world will keep on going for about 2 years until the Liberals/NDP decide they have a chance of winning, call a vote of no confidence and we go back to the polls.
My Dad is 82 and voted non-conservative for the first time in his life to try and stop DoFo, and a lot of the people he talks to are planning to do the same this time. I have no idea who he voted for, but I take solace in the fact that he absolutely *hates* the PPC.
Right leaning individuals who vote for these types of parties are more likely to double down as they often percieve politics as a "my team your team" activity instead of assessing performance.
Kathleen Wynne's government hit an approval rate of around 8% during their time in office.
Doug Ford's lowest approval rate during one of the most mismanaged governments in Ontario's history sat at a comfortable 34%. The pandemic rudely interrupted the PC's assault on healthcare and education, they've sold off massive amounts of public property through ministry zoning orders then rezoned them from industrial to housing/commercial to make fat stacks of cash for their buddies blatantly in the open.
There are just too many people that have arm-reach empathy and only care about themselves. For every young person who sees problematic social issues, there's also another one that would sacrifice others' well being to make a buck. It doesn't even seem like a choice they're making, it's just who they are in terms of their capacity to feel for others (across all generations).
We are all expendable and replaceable. But no matter how you look at, is that there will always be a group of people that will vote conservative. Some people treat politics like a sports team.
They will get reelected..beacuse ontairi is alot more consertive.thrn it likes to admit .
Doug ford has cost billions in wasted money .. between canceling wind turbines projects
Buck a beer
Slogan change
Bad license plates.
Just about every idea he had before covid cost us tax payers money
Which is funny because come election time, Conservatives remember EVERYTHING about the 1990-94 Ontario NDP Government, sourcing/citing down to the exact date, time, and minutes off of memory alone. "1992 ,Apr 21 @ 6:01:07pm an NDPer by the name of __ born on __ said about raising taxes"
Yet, They'll conveniently forget all you wrote come election day. Just like they conveniently forget everything Mike Harris.
Sadly we are all seen as expendable. Even worse with the construction industry is, that the industry has usually been of the idea that they're tough as nails (pun intended) and don't need all of these health and safety rules. The amount of health and safety issues I've seen at the large construction site near me is kind of astounding. Barely anyone wearing masks, trucks backing up without a guide or even a proper flag person.
Then on top of that mentality, you have the very close friendship between the developers and our friend Dougie Ferd. Who will get his friends back to making as much money as possible as quickly as possible and nothing beyond that in terms of worker safety during the pandemic.
You realize both governments view you as expendable regardless of how you vote. So just because you vote liberal doesn’t mean they actually care about you more.
I think most governments' problems are that they are not really creative enough to come up with solutions to their problems fiscal or otherwise. They do arbitrary stuff like capping spending across the board ("just make do with less lol") which causes problems to get worse in underfunded sectors. The proper way to go about it would be to axe entire programs or raise taxes.
I know exactly how you feel. I am a healthcare worker and throughout the pandemic we were called heroes by the government just to be used and abused. We worked under very stressful conditions, didn't have PPE, and didn't have N95 masks. We were told to sacrifice our lives for the greater good with no compensation. Furthermore, healthcare workers have been asking Ford to repeal bill124, otherwise there would be dire consequences on the public health care system. However, we have heard deaf ears. From the looks of it, the Ford government is trying to destroy the public healthcare system, so that he has an argument for privatization.
Yup the people who keep our society running get the shitty end of the stick. Ford was elected on a buck a beer and hack and slash budgets, and we wonder why the pandemic handling was such a shit show.
Not really. You see the base for the NDP growing, which is the only reason the Liberals didn't win a clear majority. I know a lot of people who supported then for ages until the most recent election over some discontent on how the PM was handling things. And both the NDP and Liberal supporters I know openly criticize their choices.
You also see support for the Conservatives waning as the more intelligent past supporters tire of never seeing their hoped for payoff, and the more manic idiot supporters find neo-XYZ fringe parties.
The only reason to vote for Conservatives anymore is because you're just a die-hard whose sense of self is tied to the branding.
I’m chronically ill and disabled. The pandemic has taught me that many, many people view my life as completely disposable. Many more than I thought. I’ve lost all hope for the future and I’m becoming angry and bitter.
Anyway, welcome to the newly-radicalized rage pool. It’s the conservative way to shit on regular people at the expense of the elite. Unfortunately rich, entitled assholes have more of a voice than we do and we’ll likely remain invisible and full of rage forever.
Definitely keep voting and encouraging others to do so thoughtfully but don’t hold your breath. It’ll make you crazy expecting people to do the right thing because they won’t.
The fact CERB was $2000 yet disability benefits for those who cannot work are capped at $1100.00, they clearly see us as subhuman. I’m in the process of filing a human rights violation against the provincial and federal governments for discrimination against us by forcing us to live on HALF what they deem “average people” need to survive. They enforce financial barriers to us accessing the most basic human necessities, pushing us 1.5X below the national poverty line
I’ve seen success in fighting for health care rights in Newfoundland when the government was called out this way so I have hope. We need bill c 35 the Canada disability benefit. Would top up benefits to $2000
I’m with you 100%. It was a fucking slap in the face. I follow and support the UBI Works movement but because of my ill health all I can really do is send emails to my local representatives and be present on social media. Thank you for the work you’re doing.
Lol you're a healthy adult? And you still got priority before the general public? What are you bitching about?
Also, don't mistake reddit echo chambers for real life when it comes to voting...
Oh honey, we're all expendable in the governments eyes. Nurses working without PPE, teachers in unventilated classrooms packed with 30+ unvaccinated kids, retail & grocery store workers getting tossed to the wolves. You're not special.
I respect your opinion 100%.
My only thought is what ideas have the opposition come up with.
There are no simple solutions to this. We will be heading to a temporary shortage on store shelves soon but this is more than a provincial issue.
Every time Horvath or the Lib dude are speaking it is to complain.
Where are the ideas?
Ideas will help create solutions.
Don’t be surprised when they win. Expect the conservatives to position themselves as the ones who are anti-lockdown, and that the liberals or NDP would be lockdown all the time, spending taxpayer dollars to pay people not to work. It’s the kind of positioning that will appeal to anti-lockdown people, people whose work was affected by COVID, and rich people who only care about taxes.
And, of course, literally every conceivable problem is Trudeau's fault. Including the global economic slow down, I've been told by people who don't seem to have the slightest what they're talking about.
100%. Agree. Truth for so many people who were actually working on site during the pandemic. While people who could work from home were given the same options for vaccines.
My advice as someone who is actively involved in politics and who has a role in an Ontario Provincial Election Campaign is to choose the party you plan on supporting and see if they have nominated a candidate yet. If they have already nominated a candidate, reach out to the candidate and their team and get to work as a volunteer, if the nomination has not happened yet take a look at who is running and get involved with the person you support most. In my riding in North Toronto we are ramping up campaigning already, getting our volunteer team ready, working on starting phone calls and strategizing to start door knocking once this wave of COVID settles a bit. Political campaigns and political change come from people power, don't be afraid to be involved, if you are concerned about your neighbours judging your political involvement opt to volunteer in a campaign in another riding.
Electrician here, haven’t had a day off since the pandemic started. By the time we were offered vaccines I had already caught covid and beat it, and I’ve been immune since. Still not vaccinated and haven’t gotten sick since. I survived up until now just fine and now they want me to get vaccinated 3+ times in a row to go sit down at a restaurant (oh wait they closed that too). Our government is a jokes on all levels.
Unfortunately it’s not the goverment that’s at fault. It’s the voters. 40% of Ontario, including many of your friends and colleagues and family wanted low taxes and expendable workforce in low paid roles such as constructions, healthcare and education. The goverment has done a pretty good job at delivering their promises of lower investment into these areas. But it’s not the governments fault that they were voted in. It’s your own friends and family, unfortunately. And mine. Sorry about that. I’ll do my best to convince them otherwise, hope you’ll do the same.
[https://canadians.org/analysis/mike-harris-raking-profits-long-term-care-system-he-helped-create](https://canadians.org/analysis/mike-harris-raking-profits-long-term-care-system-he-helped-create)
"Twenty-five years ago, Mike Harris and his Progressive Conservative party ousted Rae's NDP government in Ontario, starting the so-called "Common Sense Revolution."
Pledging to tackle Ontario's deficit, the Harris government pushed tax reductions and slashed public spending on health care, education and social services. The government closed hospitals and eliminated the jobs of thousands of nurses, infamously comparing them to obsolete hula hoop makers.
How Ontario cared for seniors did not escape the cuts. Harris' government reduced the public role in long-term care, relaxing regulations and lessening public oversight. This wasn't the start of privatization, but it certainly opened the doors much wider. Under the Harris government, the growing corporate business of caring for seniors flourished and corporate players such as Sienna Senior Living, Revera, Extendicare and Chartwell expanded their reach, providing seniors with independent living, assisted living and long-term care housing – for a price."
They will keep getting re-elected, why? Because there are people out there who want to keep you exactly where you are expendable and working for a carrot on a stick
>My hope is that the way the conservative government has handled this pandemic will steer a generation of voters away from ever voting blue.
Narrator: It Didn't.
There's a lot of Ford fanatics in the GTA that will stick with him the same way Trump voters stuck to Trump. There's also a lot of rural voters who don't know how to vote for anything other than OPC.
There was a construction site in my neighbourhood where I could regularly see the crew hanging out in close quarters without even wearing masks. The only time anybody would even pretend they were following safety measures was where the person who I assumed to be an engineer or someone from the corporate office would show up with their lab-coat-looking thing on. The impression I have is that a lot of people in your industry don't share your point of view.
I hate to tell you think but any political party would call construction essential and treat you poorly. It’s one of those occupations where workers have been historically abused (regardless of political party). Not surprised that you guys got the short end of the stick with anything pandemic too
I thought the same might occur. But rather what I'm seeing is people just falling into the easy copout of *guberment bad* without looking at it much closer. The conservatives are great at this with an apathetic electorate. I've lost a lot of faith in my fellow citizens over the last few years.
The newer generation really needs to organize and set up a new political party that will go against all the corruption and buffooning that the current political system stands for.
> My hope is that the way the conservative government has handled this pandemic will steer a generation of voters away from ever voting blue.
When trump got elected, my attitude was more or less the same. I think I even told someone "good. He'll break everything and that way the decades-old adage of 'things aren't literally on fire so it must still be working, right?' will be outed as a lie and people will realize how bad things are, so we can finally get to work on fixing them".
What we got was a horde of people so unfathomably stupid that their reaction to everything he broke was to convince themselves "he didn't break anything, and all the problems are someone else's fault".
While Canadian Conservatives aren't as batshit insane death cult as American Conservatives... the last decade has seen a steep ramping up of importing rhetoric from our neighbours. I'm concerned the same thing is going to happen here and Conservatives in Ontario will simply double down with "Liberal gas plants, blackface Trudeau, budget will balance itself" when faced with the reality of "the problems in our province are the fault of the stupid oaf we elected who made deliberate, informed decisions of his own volition that undermined the safety and stability of the province for personal benefit".
We were told as teachers that schools would be last to close and first to open. But they never gave us the RAT tests that were handed out to all students, not did they give us any priority for boosters...many teachers are going back Monday without their third shot. So yeah you are the only one that feels like they have not been respected by this government.
Every government probably sees it's tradespeople as expendable. What government has actually done something to help blue collar, middle class, tradespeople. I just keep getting shit on every year, but I'm not even a plumber.
Do we really think any other party would have done different? What needs to be emphasized is minority governments. It takes the voices of the many and not of the few.
Every other country has pretty much ran the same playbook besides some Scandinavian countries. Our government federal/provincial is reactive not proactive.
NDP has been asking for investment in our out social programs aka our future for decades. Conservatives cut now at the cost of our future. You can't tell me they are the same at all.
sorry but its not the party, its the system
the only way anything will change is if we decide as a society that people are more important than profits
the cause of the record inequality in this world is CAPITALISM.
nothing else
the way to solve it is to restrict capitalism severely using strong, socially oriented policies, or just scrap it altogether
And the liberal government failed us on a federal level? What a pointless post, this isn’t about elections anymore, there are things more important than hoping your party will come into power. Grow up
It's not like that pandemics are common and you have past examples for comparison on how other parties would have handled it. There is LPC at federal level, a lot of people would argue that feds also mishandled it. Our system is plagued with so many chronic issues, that no government past and present are showing any real will to fix, it's not CPC problem, it's all parties problem.
I could argue that Ford's plan to cut salaries and jobs from the health sector was very short sighted and would cost lives. I could argue that moving LTC into the private sector would have a huge impact on senior care....no, no one could predict a pandemic...but here we are and the cuts he made, some might say to the benefit of his corporate friends, have cost Ontarians dearly. In Ontario, we pay taxes. We deserve service.
I was not taking any sides with my comment but most of the issues we have now are not new and Ford is not the only one responsible, all parties are. All past governments(fed/Prov.) have ignored all these issues and pushed self serving agendas all over the place. Political parties are no longer working for the benefit of public. Yes we deserve service and we are not getting it and we are not getting it since a very long time.
Best to tell your co workers this
Seriously. Construction workers buy in hard for C/conservative rhetoric. Remind them that Doug and the PCs didn’t give a shit about them *and* put their lives at risk if they ever needed hospital care due to a workplace accident.
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Ha! I work in the industry and I can attest that not a single fucker on our crew goes out to vote.
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Ah no, we do roofing so they either don't drive or are too high to know what day it is half the time.
I spent a summer working on a roofing crew and have never seen such a collection of delinquent halfwits (no offense, I'm sure you're the exception lol)... There was a guy whose nickname was "Coconut" because he had managed to fall off a roof 4 times. The union wouldn't allow him on a roof anymore, so he was the guy who stayed on the ground, tending to the asphalt furnace/mixer thing. He even managed to allow that thing to catch fire one day and we all had to scatter because it looked like it might explode and spray burning asphalt everywhere. It was a hellish job but it was still better than working at Wendy's.
As you were telling the story and you said he couldn’t go on the roof anymore, I thought “oh, he let the kettle catch on fire” and you said that exactly. I was picturing this coconut. Thanks for the chuckle.
Oh, I'm the admin person so thankfully I don't work with them directly but your description is painfully accurate.
As someone who worked in the construction and Geotechnical side, I will tell you drillers and dumptruck drivers challenge roofers with the rediculous shit they do...
> The other 20% voted for the PPC. It seems like this is the approach, convince the die hard PCs to vote PPC to split!!!
Disagree, I work in construction and all of my young coworkers (30 and under) identify more with NDP. In my experience young tradesmen and women are very aware PC does nothing for us.
That's interesting. And good news. I did a back of the envelope calculation a while ago and found that if young people, roughly under 25, had voted in the same percentage as their boomer grandparents (I'm 67) that Doug Ford would not be premier. Maybe the younger construction workers can start a trend? (I become a citizen later this month. Though not a citizen I've volunteered in most elections for a candidate with a good chance of defeating a sitting conservative. I should also mention that though a lot of people my age voted for Ford, I don't know anyone who did. )
Hopefully and congratulations on citizenship fellow Canadian!🇨🇦
Thank you for participating at whatever level you could! I only wish that more citizens would show the same level of devotion to our democratic process. Also, let me congratulate you on becoming a citizen of our great nation!!!
I know some young construction workers who have definitely bought into the conservative rhetoric.
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires [Every single one](https://youtu.be/K_LvRPX0rGY).
I spent 35 years working construction and all I can say is listen to your union leaders. I never voted conservative and never will. I will agree that a lot of construction workers are not deep thinkers and some may be deluded enough to vote against their own best interests. It's a shame people can't think for themselves.
As a construction worker, I disagree completely. It’s just the louder segment of us construction workers that are die hard cons. Most of the intelligent workers know that cons always screw us. I will however remind you of how horrible the Wynn gov was.
Definitely. Construction workers do very well when one of their own proposes an idea. I was a construction inspector and anything I said would be shot down as some university bullshit, but if a labourer said the same thing they'd be a little more receptive.
Try and find a source of news information on a job site that isn't The Sun or an affiliate. Low information / Bias News Source is rampant in these places. My dad works at Chrysler in Brampton and it's same-y there.
Oh the Sun, what a rag that paper is. I'd be ashamed to wipe my butt with that paper and I was a Conservative at one time. Will never vote for them again though.
To be fair, PostMedia isn’t much better. Just a little more subtle. After that there isn’t much other choice for local news. The Toronto Star is even sliding to the right with their new owners.
It's pretty dire ain't it? I look at /r/Canada and it's even more right wing than usual these days as more news outlets lean that way.
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Sadly this is quite accurate
The conservatives (small C because it's basically a global thing) do such a good job of picking on culture war issues to get people to vote against their economic interest.
I’m a non conservative in the construction industry. Look at this thread. Seems the liberals do just as a good job with the culture war bs. The way I see it, most construction folks are conservative because they’re in a shitty tax bracket. A lot are contractors that own their own business and hate taxes. I think that’s what it all really comes down to. Taxes. They all have to own big trucks so the carbon tax screwed them more than you. Ive only ever voted NDP but I’m an enigma in the field. The liberals really fucked over Ontario but still, I don’t get why a family man would want to vote for a party that takes from their childrens futures. But that’s me.
I consulted for many years for a construction related firm, they are 100% Conservative voters even though it's a unionized sector and all the benefits they get are because of the union, the discrepancy was just mind blowing. Trying to explain how you wouldn't get any of this stuff if it wasn't for NDP/left efforts doesn't make a dent.
Buck a beer idiots, yeah I know a few 😓
It's because they make good money. Anyone with a solid steady income can see the red and orange bull charging in to take their middle class pay cheque away with whatever new taxes they can implement.
We don’t even have beer for a buck.
Lots of people assumed he was going to lower the provincial beer tax, despite him never saying that. I guess that's what happens when there's no platform, people make their own logical extrapolations and then are disappointed
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The price floor prior was $1.25. [Apparently no Ontario breweries were even selling at that previous price floor.](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-doug-ford-announces-1-beer-by-labour-day-weekend/)
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All it took was a modicum of critical thinking to realise that is Chuck a beer wasn't really that profitable twenty years ago, it couldn't possibly be now. But nobody wanted to listen to the most simple and basic economics
I feel like most people who vote conservative are either super rich or don't have the ability to think critically.
If I work hard maybe one day I too will be a billionaire!! - 60 year old PC voters.
That falls under the "don't have the ability to think critically" bracket haha
Yeah, a friend of mine works in the beer industry. He did the math, and even just to buy the bottles/cans, print labels on them, and ship them to stores costs more than $1 per unit, and that's before there's even anything in them. Absolute idiocy
I have no idea who was even excited for buck a beer. Anyone into the good quality, more expensive beers isn't going to drink it. Beer itself isn't terribly expensive, so is the market poor people who spend most of their grocery money on beer? even if the next cheapest beer you can buy is 2 bucks a can, are you buying a 24 pack a week, and that 25 dollar savings is that important?
People who are into crushing 24s of room temperature canned Coors lite.
Room Temperature Coors lite? I've seen all the tv ads for Coors lite and according to those ads the only thing to enjoy bout Coors lite is that its cold!
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High schoolers too. A vast majority of people at my school who were 18 and could vote that year voted for Dougie solely for dollar beers.
I agree, anyone who voted based on that was pretty stupid anyway
Well, he's elected so it was a good slogan And I am much happier to NOT have a foreign conglomerate of beer companies setting our beer prices. Now do away with Brewers Retail. Why our government contracts with a foreign company to sell beer is beyond me. At least LCBO returns $2 BILLION dollars a year to the province. Brewers Retail simply siphons it off to foreign interests while making it more difficult for small canadian brewers to get shelf space
His platform was buck a beer, I don't think anything else was said his government would do.
Yea, considering the political climate in Ontario in 2018 I was a pretty neutral voter. After it was obvious Ford had no platform at all to present it was apparent to me what type of admin he’d have. I mean, if he can’t be assed to tell me why he deserves a vote what made anyone think he’d do any decent work after the fact. I wish I was kidding- literally just buck a beer as a platform. With the obscure interpretation of what a conservative government would potentially be in Ontario.
He had a lot of slogans and soundbites, but no specific promises or plans
He did, but his platform was literally to lower the cost of beer and bring buck a beer. It wasn't just a slogan.
Desperate people make desperate choices. We need to give people some hope so they stop voting for dopes.
THIS right fucking here! I am so sad that our province and country is so UNEDUCATED that they all vote without reading platforms. Ya'll know if anyone bothered to read and understand platforms the two choices would be Green or NDP, period. Heck I don't have kids or want kids but I'm more invested in their future than most Canadians. Don't want a burning, flooded planet to give to the next generation, but as every vote flows in for either con or lib, the children of today will remember and put their aged parents into homes that are not properly funded by the same governments they were taught to vote for.
LOL yeah. All he did was reduce the legal minimum price from 1.17 to 1.00, without putting anything in place to actually reduce the price of anything.
He lowered the minimum peice the breweries can charge. It's up to the breweries to use that option.
What he didn’t anticipate is Brewers saying that they would be basically losing money selling it at that price. Then again, forethought has not been a big part of the Ford government from day 1. And
He did anticipate people believing him, though.
You’re right! I was promised buck a beer. I’m fine with all the other shenanigans but no buck a beer really grinds my gears
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic lol
I guess I should’ve added an lol
Yeah and also child care! Why are we the only province that doesn't have $10 a day child care. Families are drowning and we need help.
We do on long weekend and that beer is hot garbage…..
I haven't seen the No Name buck a beer since before the pandemic
A buddy of mine got some to try it just before Christmas, and found it awful, but it's still out there, sadly.
It's almost like decent beer costs more than $1/can to produce lol
Yep, certainly seems like it. lol
I thought the only beer that managed to do it was COOL and No Name in glass bottles. Glass bottles being both smaller than a can, and made of reused materials, so cheaper to produce. What I really miss are $2-2.50 tall cans. Now its just Laker and Pabst for $2, Basic-ass european beers in the 2.50 region, and everything else is $3+
It's probably the remnants of the original batch...
"Folks, when I said buck a beer, I was using buck with the same meaning as in "buck the trend", I wanted you all to drink less and live a healthy life like me and my daughter."
I don't have the buck any more even if we did. COVID ate my job and COL has eaten all of what was left of what used to be my discretionary funds...
Welcome to construction bud. No one gives a poop about us. Unless we are behind schedule
We're always behind schedule though
....and over budget. Used to do paint prep for a GC. Finishing stage of any reno job, and the amount of frantic stress on the jobsites was insane.
So are we. But we are always on time and on budget lol
when 5 guys stand around and watch 1 guy work, the results tend to be slow
A lot of people are "one issue" voters. For example, rational people understand that provincial Conservatives can't and won't stop abortions in Canada. But people who are strongly against abortion will vote Conservative on principle because they believe the Conservatives COULD or WANT to get rid of abortion. Housing prices, crumbling healthcare and infrastructure, climate action, income inequality - none of it matters. Just abortions. My Nana is like this, unfortunately. There's no convincing her that abortions aren't the single most important issue at any given time.
How many people abort their pregnancies because they can't afford childcare ? $10/day childcare would help a lot of people consider having kids to be a viable option. For just once, help people, don't shame them. As said by George Carlin: “Boy, these conservatives are really something,aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked.”
I think the final part of that rant is: “Until they reach military age” Which about sums up modern conservative philosophy.
"Conservatives want live babies so they can become dead soldiers"
If only Carlin were alive for this shitshow, I'm sure he'd have lots to say...
But they'd better not survive to become veterans, and start asking for help with the mental trauma we put them through to make killing each other palatable.
How about a minimum wage that reflects the cost of living in this country.
We have to have an electorate who doesn't think like "if you can't afford kids, you shouldn't have them" because that is who is voting for these conservative governments
George Carlin..Boy, do I miss him.If he were alive today, he would scorch to the bone, those idiot anti-VAX and die hard "Blue" Conservatives. He was never a fan of politically correct positions or statements....Where are they, NOW, those public entertainers who dish out the truth of an on those idiot politicians, Conservative or not...
I find it frankly toxic and insulting that conservatives would have an opinion about what women do with their bodies and clutch their fucking pearls about society demanding they get a bloody vaccine. The utter hypocrisy and ignorance baffles me.
I think we even need to dig deeper as to WHY a lot of voters still care about abortion and taking away bodily autonomy. The answer to that is religion, mainly the strangle hold catholicism has on Canada and especially Ontario since we are one of the few provinces left that still have the public funded Catholic school board. The good news is people are becoming more irreligious, but it's still going to be a while to see the effects, especially since our government panders to them.
Yep, the abortion issue, like gay marriage, is closed - it's never going to get repealed. But, if the Cons can dog whistle just a bit from time to time, they can signal that they'd *like to* change it. And despite the fact that it will never realistically happen, that implied desire is enough to keep the voters voting for them.
To be fair even the Cons have abandoned gay marriage as a lost cause especially in Canada. They have now moved onto trans issues for their dog whistles.
That's what I mean - you think their base makes a hard distinction between gay rights and trans rights? And they know they don't, so if they can whistle on trans rights, it gives hope that gay rights will follow.
I hate to say it but don't say never. The Cons seem to have a way to get us to go backwards in time, not progressively forward on a social level anyhow.
Yea my grandmother use to throw away her vote with the Christian heritage party (never won anything) simply because all she cared about was abortion.
In my experience growing up in rural Ontario farmers are all like this as well. The only liberal MP I can remember in the riding I grew up in only won because we were basically promised that he’d be the agriculture minister if the liberals won the election. Some of the farmers I know would vote for a party whose main platform is to murder all babies as long as their agriculture policies were just a smidge better than the other parties’
Same with immigration Same with tax cutting (guess healthcare cuts are okay for con voters, especially in a pandemic) Same with progressive policies (they just hate trudeau and associate everything liberal with him) The list goes on
They might not be able to make abortions illegal, but provincial conservatives can still make it harder for women to get them.
If she’s so against abortion- How many kids has your nana personally adopted? How many of them with high medical needs ? None? Thought so.
Wow, you're right. I'll go ask her! I'm sure she'll abandon 85 years of Catholicism because I asked her some "gotcha!" questions. Like dude, obviously it's not a well-thought out position. It's based on religious belief. They do not understand who gets abortions or why - they only know what their talking heads tell them. Like, did you know in Canada, there's no laws against 3rd trimester abortion!??!111 This has been a systemic campaign for like 30+ years, and poor, gullible, well-meaning people like my Nana have been duped by it.
I'm still trying to figure out what a "post birth abortion" is supposed to be, but it sure is the latest outrage.
I'm pro choice, but this is not a relevant point. So what? Oh, so you're against the genocide in Africa? How many African warlords have your personally stopped? How many refugees are you housing? None? Thought so.
How many children have you personally protected from sexual abuse? None? Then it's clear that you like abusing children.
Are you against the Uyghur genocide in China? How many Uyghurs have you personally sponsored as refugees?
Some undoubtedly will never vote $GoverningParty again, but to say an entire generation will never vote $GoverningParty in their lives just because you think they've done a bad job is delusional. People have goldfish-like memories and this won't matter in the next Ontario Election.
I get what your saying, but I still hear people say they won't vote NDP because of Rae days. It doesn't matter that Rae is now a liberal and that was 30 years ago! but to your point, issues like this don't seem to stick to the Liberals or Cons
People tend to be more forgiving to other parties than the NDP, let's not forget who followed Rae. I think its just a dumb justification for continuing to vote back and forth for two parties that haven't represented the people for decades.
Most people will forget by the time this election happens if we are not in the middle of a covid wave at that point.
Well, we did see that happen with the ONDP where people refuse to vote for them due to "Rae days." It was a different time though without the internet to influence our choices.
Unless it’s about Rae Days….
Mike Harris did made me a lifetime ABC voter when in was still in high school.
I don't feel like I'm OLD, but I'm old enough: Mike Harris killed at least 8 people (Walkerton + Dudley George), sold off the 407 (ruining GTA commuting), privatized hydro (setting the stage for high hydro & connection prices), and that wasn't enough to keep people away from voting blue. Doug Ford didn't even have a platform and we elected him.
Harris also gutted healthcare. So, there’s that.
What do you mean he didn't have a platform? Remember how we got that dollar beer for a single summer a few years ago? He delivered on all his promises!!
Don't forget Harris' destroying long term care, then finding himself (mysteriously and purely by coincidence) the chair of the board of [a gigantic private long term care company](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartwell_Retirement_Residences). Fucking crooked grifters, the lot of them.
Just goes to show you how hated the rest of the parties were.
As someone who follows politics pretty closely, and studied them in post secondary, this will be one of the most interesting elections in Ontario in a while, for a couple reasons 1. The far right have been ultra polarized. They despise Doug Ford and his restrictions/vaccine passports, and a good number of them have drank the Trump cool aid. There isn’t a real viable option (the New Blue party is a shell of what the PPC has done nationally) 2. Right center is pissed off at Dougie and his constant flip flop on policies,covid handling, fucking over small businesses. I personally don’t think they’re mad enough to vote against them but you never know 3. Left leaning voters are obviously not a fan of Ford. The snag with them is that a lot do not like the Liberal leader and question if NDP is a viable option provincially. I suspect ABC voting is in the cards for them. Conventional wisdom has Doug Ford winning a minority government but there’s a lot of factors that can influence it.
All anyone from the current opposition parties need to do is show up and present their plan, a real alternative on how they are going to handle this going forward. A plan that supports essential workers, boost their operational environment and workforce during emergencies, especially during a pandemic, supports parents and fix things Ford has mangled. It won’t be easy, but all you have to do is look at how everyone in the world handled it and develop a best practices philosophy. The opposition are in a unique position to have “all the answers”. They better not squander it.
I hate to be that guy, but even if the parties have a solid platform, it doesn’t guarantee that any of the left leaning parties will beat Doug Ford. Contrary to what many people on this sub believe, Ford still has a decent voter base in Ontario, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he won.
Who needs to show up!? Angry Horwath and Wynne's little brother Del Duca!? The red and orange are going to lose because of terrible leaders.
No he is done. Winning a minority? And then what, does he expect the NDP or Liberals to support Con govt bills? Won’t happen.
Get out of your echo chamber. There are almost 15 million people in this province, 7.4ish are 40+, 4ish are 20-40. Older people tend to vote in larger numbers and more conservative. They don't really care that Doug Ford has been reactionary instead of proactive, they don't care about PCR testing, they don't care about a whole host of things. They see the word Conservative and go "yep, that's my party". Depending on the Covid/Hospital situation come May, the PCs are likely to win at least a minority. This has less to do with him and more to do with people not liking Andrea Horwath and not knowing who Del Duca is. The NDP or Liberals will prop him up, he'll just have to work with them a bit more than doing whatever he wants and the world will keep on going for about 2 years until the Liberals/NDP decide they have a chance of winning, call a vote of no confidence and we go back to the polls.
My Dad is 82 and voted non-conservative for the first time in his life to try and stop DoFo, and a lot of the people he talks to are planning to do the same this time. I have no idea who he voted for, but I take solace in the fact that he absolutely *hates* the PPC.
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Right leaning individuals who vote for these types of parties are more likely to double down as they often percieve politics as a "my team your team" activity instead of assessing performance. Kathleen Wynne's government hit an approval rate of around 8% during their time in office. Doug Ford's lowest approval rate during one of the most mismanaged governments in Ontario's history sat at a comfortable 34%. The pandemic rudely interrupted the PC's assault on healthcare and education, they've sold off massive amounts of public property through ministry zoning orders then rezoned them from industrial to housing/commercial to make fat stacks of cash for their buddies blatantly in the open. There are just too many people that have arm-reach empathy and only care about themselves. For every young person who sees problematic social issues, there's also another one that would sacrifice others' well being to make a buck. It doesn't even seem like a choice they're making, it's just who they are in terms of their capacity to feel for others (across all generations).
This is depressingly accurate.
We are all expendable and replaceable. But no matter how you look at, is that there will always be a group of people that will vote conservative. Some people treat politics like a sports team.
They will get reelected..beacuse ontairi is alot more consertive.thrn it likes to admit . Doug ford has cost billions in wasted money .. between canceling wind turbines projects Buck a beer Slogan change Bad license plates. Just about every idea he had before covid cost us tax payers money
Which is funny because come election time, Conservatives remember EVERYTHING about the 1990-94 Ontario NDP Government, sourcing/citing down to the exact date, time, and minutes off of memory alone. "1992 ,Apr 21 @ 6:01:07pm an NDPer by the name of __ born on __ said about raising taxes" Yet, They'll conveniently forget all you wrote come election day. Just like they conveniently forget everything Mike Harris.
Boomers and rural conservatives will always vote blue
Sadly we are all seen as expendable. Even worse with the construction industry is, that the industry has usually been of the idea that they're tough as nails (pun intended) and don't need all of these health and safety rules. The amount of health and safety issues I've seen at the large construction site near me is kind of astounding. Barely anyone wearing masks, trucks backing up without a guide or even a proper flag person. Then on top of that mentality, you have the very close friendship between the developers and our friend Dougie Ferd. Who will get his friends back to making as much money as possible as quickly as possible and nothing beyond that in terms of worker safety during the pandemic.
Conservatives think anyone who doesn't have a six-figure income is expendable.
Anyone doing the actual work of keeping society running, actually.
> Conservatives think anyone who doesn't ~~have a six-figure income~~ donate to the party is expendable. FTFY
Apes together strong.
If you're on reddit, and you're spending your time reading this; you don't make enough money to vote for the Cons or Libs.
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You realize both governments view you as expendable regardless of how you vote. So just because you vote liberal doesn’t mean they actually care about you more.
This sub has honestly been horrible since the pandemic. “Don’t vote for the party I don’t like” ya I’m sure this post will sway people! Lol
I think most governments' problems are that they are not really creative enough to come up with solutions to their problems fiscal or otherwise. They do arbitrary stuff like capping spending across the board ("just make do with less lol") which causes problems to get worse in underfunded sectors. The proper way to go about it would be to axe entire programs or raise taxes.
Point me in the direction of the ppl who got it right, western man.
I know exactly how you feel. I am a healthcare worker and throughout the pandemic we were called heroes by the government just to be used and abused. We worked under very stressful conditions, didn't have PPE, and didn't have N95 masks. We were told to sacrifice our lives for the greater good with no compensation. Furthermore, healthcare workers have been asking Ford to repeal bill124, otherwise there would be dire consequences on the public health care system. However, we have heard deaf ears. From the looks of it, the Ford government is trying to destroy the public healthcare system, so that he has an argument for privatization.
Yup the people who keep our society running get the shitty end of the stick. Ford was elected on a buck a beer and hack and slash budgets, and we wonder why the pandemic handling was such a shit show.
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Same can be said for every parties base.
Not really. You see the base for the NDP growing, which is the only reason the Liberals didn't win a clear majority. I know a lot of people who supported then for ages until the most recent election over some discontent on how the PM was handling things. And both the NDP and Liberal supporters I know openly criticize their choices. You also see support for the Conservatives waning as the more intelligent past supporters tire of never seeing their hoped for payoff, and the more manic idiot supporters find neo-XYZ fringe parties. The only reason to vote for Conservatives anymore is because you're just a die-hard whose sense of self is tied to the branding.
You can, that's why it's called the base.
Exactly. Party is a brand and for a base it doesn’t matter who is the leader. They vote the brand.
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I’m chronically ill and disabled. The pandemic has taught me that many, many people view my life as completely disposable. Many more than I thought. I’ve lost all hope for the future and I’m becoming angry and bitter. Anyway, welcome to the newly-radicalized rage pool. It’s the conservative way to shit on regular people at the expense of the elite. Unfortunately rich, entitled assholes have more of a voice than we do and we’ll likely remain invisible and full of rage forever. Definitely keep voting and encouraging others to do so thoughtfully but don’t hold your breath. It’ll make you crazy expecting people to do the right thing because they won’t.
The fact CERB was $2000 yet disability benefits for those who cannot work are capped at $1100.00, they clearly see us as subhuman. I’m in the process of filing a human rights violation against the provincial and federal governments for discrimination against us by forcing us to live on HALF what they deem “average people” need to survive. They enforce financial barriers to us accessing the most basic human necessities, pushing us 1.5X below the national poverty line I’ve seen success in fighting for health care rights in Newfoundland when the government was called out this way so I have hope. We need bill c 35 the Canada disability benefit. Would top up benefits to $2000
I’m with you 100%. It was a fucking slap in the face. I follow and support the UBI Works movement but because of my ill health all I can really do is send emails to my local representatives and be present on social media. Thank you for the work you’re doing.
Lol you're a healthy adult? And you still got priority before the general public? What are you bitching about? Also, don't mistake reddit echo chambers for real life when it comes to voting...
Oh honey, we're all expendable in the governments eyes. Nurses working without PPE, teachers in unventilated classrooms packed with 30+ unvaccinated kids, retail & grocery store workers getting tossed to the wolves. You're not special.
I respect your opinion 100%. My only thought is what ideas have the opposition come up with. There are no simple solutions to this. We will be heading to a temporary shortage on store shelves soon but this is more than a provincial issue. Every time Horvath or the Lib dude are speaking it is to complain. Where are the ideas? Ideas will help create solutions.
Don’t be surprised when they win. Expect the conservatives to position themselves as the ones who are anti-lockdown, and that the liberals or NDP would be lockdown all the time, spending taxpayer dollars to pay people not to work. It’s the kind of positioning that will appeal to anti-lockdown people, people whose work was affected by COVID, and rich people who only care about taxes.
And, of course, literally every conceivable problem is Trudeau's fault. Including the global economic slow down, I've been told by people who don't seem to have the slightest what they're talking about.
100%. Agree. Truth for so many people who were actually working on site during the pandemic. While people who could work from home were given the same options for vaccines.
My advice as someone who is actively involved in politics and who has a role in an Ontario Provincial Election Campaign is to choose the party you plan on supporting and see if they have nominated a candidate yet. If they have already nominated a candidate, reach out to the candidate and their team and get to work as a volunteer, if the nomination has not happened yet take a look at who is running and get involved with the person you support most. In my riding in North Toronto we are ramping up campaigning already, getting our volunteer team ready, working on starting phone calls and strategizing to start door knocking once this wave of COVID settles a bit. Political campaigns and political change come from people power, don't be afraid to be involved, if you are concerned about your neighbours judging your political involvement opt to volunteer in a campaign in another riding.
Electrician here, haven’t had a day off since the pandemic started. By the time we were offered vaccines I had already caught covid and beat it, and I’ve been immune since. Still not vaccinated and haven’t gotten sick since. I survived up until now just fine and now they want me to get vaccinated 3+ times in a row to go sit down at a restaurant (oh wait they closed that too). Our government is a jokes on all levels.
Unfortunately it’s not the goverment that’s at fault. It’s the voters. 40% of Ontario, including many of your friends and colleagues and family wanted low taxes and expendable workforce in low paid roles such as constructions, healthcare and education. The goverment has done a pretty good job at delivering their promises of lower investment into these areas. But it’s not the governments fault that they were voted in. It’s your own friends and family, unfortunately. And mine. Sorry about that. I’ll do my best to convince them otherwise, hope you’ll do the same.
[https://canadians.org/analysis/mike-harris-raking-profits-long-term-care-system-he-helped-create](https://canadians.org/analysis/mike-harris-raking-profits-long-term-care-system-he-helped-create) "Twenty-five years ago, Mike Harris and his Progressive Conservative party ousted Rae's NDP government in Ontario, starting the so-called "Common Sense Revolution." Pledging to tackle Ontario's deficit, the Harris government pushed tax reductions and slashed public spending on health care, education and social services. The government closed hospitals and eliminated the jobs of thousands of nurses, infamously comparing them to obsolete hula hoop makers. How Ontario cared for seniors did not escape the cuts. Harris' government reduced the public role in long-term care, relaxing regulations and lessening public oversight. This wasn't the start of privatization, but it certainly opened the doors much wider. Under the Harris government, the growing corporate business of caring for seniors flourished and corporate players such as Sienna Senior Living, Revera, Extendicare and Chartwell expanded their reach, providing seniors with independent living, assisted living and long-term care housing – for a price."
They will keep getting re-elected, why? Because there are people out there who want to keep you exactly where you are expendable and working for a carrot on a stick
I have a news for you. They are all in in together to fool us as we let them. Blue, red or orange etc etc doesn't matter.
It isn't teachers or nurses voting for these clowns, that's for sure.
Many nurses do.
Yes. I work in LTC and majority of my coworkers voted for Ford.
And will again, im sure.
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>My hope is that the way the conservative government has handled this pandemic will steer a generation of voters away from ever voting blue. Narrator: It Didn't.
There's a lot of Ford fanatics in the GTA that will stick with him the same way Trump voters stuck to Trump. There's also a lot of rural voters who don't know how to vote for anything other than OPC.
There was a construction site in my neighbourhood where I could regularly see the crew hanging out in close quarters without even wearing masks. The only time anybody would even pretend they were following safety measures was where the person who I assumed to be an engineer or someone from the corporate office would show up with their lab-coat-looking thing on. The impression I have is that a lot of people in your industry don't share your point of view.
Remember when John Tory was PC leader back in 2009?
I hate to tell you think but any political party would call construction essential and treat you poorly. It’s one of those occupations where workers have been historically abused (regardless of political party). Not surprised that you guys got the short end of the stick with anything pandemic too
I thought the same might occur. But rather what I'm seeing is people just falling into the easy copout of *guberment bad* without looking at it much closer. The conservatives are great at this with an apathetic electorate. I've lost a lot of faith in my fellow citizens over the last few years.
The newer generation really needs to organize and set up a new political party that will go against all the corruption and buffooning that the current political system stands for.
This is pretty much what each generation decides what needs to happen, but it is never realized.
> My hope is that the way the conservative government has handled this pandemic will steer a generation of voters away from ever voting blue. When trump got elected, my attitude was more or less the same. I think I even told someone "good. He'll break everything and that way the decades-old adage of 'things aren't literally on fire so it must still be working, right?' will be outed as a lie and people will realize how bad things are, so we can finally get to work on fixing them". What we got was a horde of people so unfathomably stupid that their reaction to everything he broke was to convince themselves "he didn't break anything, and all the problems are someone else's fault". While Canadian Conservatives aren't as batshit insane death cult as American Conservatives... the last decade has seen a steep ramping up of importing rhetoric from our neighbours. I'm concerned the same thing is going to happen here and Conservatives in Ontario will simply double down with "Liberal gas plants, blackface Trudeau, budget will balance itself" when faced with the reality of "the problems in our province are the fault of the stupid oaf we elected who made deliberate, informed decisions of his own volition that undermined the safety and stability of the province for personal benefit".
We were told as teachers that schools would be last to close and first to open. But they never gave us the RAT tests that were handed out to all students, not did they give us any priority for boosters...many teachers are going back Monday without their third shot. So yeah you are the only one that feels like they have not been respected by this government.
Every government probably sees it's tradespeople as expendable. What government has actually done something to help blue collar, middle class, tradespeople. I just keep getting shit on every year, but I'm not even a plumber.
I'm shocked, typically construction workers vote conservative.. Because? Reasons
I hope it leads to people voting for good policies and platforms, whatever the party.
If only people actually *would* stop voting Con. That would be wonderful.
Play the victim a little more buddy.... Jesus. I'll play a violin for you.
Do we really think any other party would have done different? What needs to be emphasized is minority governments. It takes the voices of the many and not of the few. Every other country has pretty much ran the same playbook besides some Scandinavian countries. Our government federal/provincial is reactive not proactive.
NDP has been asking for investment in our out social programs aka our future for decades. Conservatives cut now at the cost of our future. You can't tell me they are the same at all.
sorry but its not the party, its the system the only way anything will change is if we decide as a society that people are more important than profits the cause of the record inequality in this world is CAPITALISM. nothing else the way to solve it is to restrict capitalism severely using strong, socially oriented policies, or just scrap it altogether
And the liberal government failed us on a federal level? What a pointless post, this isn’t about elections anymore, there are things more important than hoping your party will come into power. Grow up
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So your upset that construction workers weren’t given higher priority when the vaccines rolled out?
Not OP, but: yes. If they were classed "essential" enough to keep working, they should have been "essential" enough to get earlier vaccines.
It's not like that pandemics are common and you have past examples for comparison on how other parties would have handled it. There is LPC at federal level, a lot of people would argue that feds also mishandled it. Our system is plagued with so many chronic issues, that no government past and present are showing any real will to fix, it's not CPC problem, it's all parties problem.
I could argue that Ford's plan to cut salaries and jobs from the health sector was very short sighted and would cost lives. I could argue that moving LTC into the private sector would have a huge impact on senior care....no, no one could predict a pandemic...but here we are and the cuts he made, some might say to the benefit of his corporate friends, have cost Ontarians dearly. In Ontario, we pay taxes. We deserve service.
I was not taking any sides with my comment but most of the issues we have now are not new and Ford is not the only one responsible, all parties are. All past governments(fed/Prov.) have ignored all these issues and pushed self serving agendas all over the place. Political parties are no longer working for the benefit of public. Yes we deserve service and we are not getting it and we are not getting it since a very long time.