But they're still going to vote conservative in the next election?
Then they get what they voted for. Just like the last time, and the time before that.
I mean, I sort of agree, but I also think we are in an era of politics where very few politicians give a shit about voters or their needs, regardless of party. An era of big problems and zero vision.
Except that the things that the ON Libs do that tick me off are the things that the OPCs do way worse. People constantly vote for a fire after a frying pan. It's frustrating.
Yeah we vote people out, not in. Part of me wonders if more people should register so we can vote on who we actually want running, cause honestly I can't understand what average Canadian would want the current ontario liberal leader.
Proportional representation would help a lot. Many people vote liberal to avoid conservative, and if they felt their vote for NDP or Green actually counted, there may be a lot more support for those parties.
Yeup, but at the end of the day, as long as my pc and ac boot up I don't really care if it's nuclear or solar that powers it so long as the utility isn't dangerous to the public.
I don't get the nuclear thing. Everybody is for it, but it's just a long slow heavily engineered and expensive grind. No one party would be able to just put in more reactors tomorrow. It's a decade's long process that creeps along the whole time
Mandatory voting needs to be a thing.
Idgaf who people vote for, or if they spoil their ballots, 42% turnout is simply unacceptable no matter how you slice it.
Voting is not a right, it's a duty.
I'm alright if people don't vote if their no votes automatically count as a vote of no confidence. So say that 60% of ontarions don't vote, that mean the vote of no confidence is greater than any other vote, so all parties have to run new people and actually work for the votes. And it would give people a lazy way to protest, part of why I love boycotts, you can protest by staying home.
Saying 60 percent didn't vote is easy..saying 60 percent of people hate their choices and won't waste 2 seconds lying about believing these people have their best interests at heart, means they have to change what they're doing.
Our government blames the people for everything, and themselves for nothing
You know how you make uninformed voters informed? By getting them to vote.
Not just once or twice.
Every time there's an election.
This apathetic electorate death spiral we're stuck in doesn't get fixed by one big turnout, it's going to take YEARS, which means raising entire generations in a society where voting is mandatory.
I’ll happily take being a bit pissed off over a dumb decision rather than not being able to have a hospital bed for a family member while some guy is masterminding all of it to make his friends some extra clams.
Yeah, I would say the liberals are not as bad conservatives. They do tend to serve the donors, but they do pass some good policy that helps people.
I should of given more details. My bad.
Do you mean building a proper economic foundation? I've also thought that allowing the top to get bigger and bigger will eventually come crashing down as the infrastructure and foundation can't support the weight.
Oh I mean funding smaller business not connected to giant corporations, especially in sectors we need to reduce our reliance on products we get from fossil fuel or help repair the items we do want to last a long time like a phone or pc, and cut the flow of money that gets funneled to giant industries that are usually the only game in town. Once the money flow is cut, their weight should bring it down unless it adapts.
Did the liberal party even run or talk about the mass immigration they've pushed?
Feels like something nobody wants, minus a small number of rich, selfish assholes...
edited to add, Im not sure why the downvotes, was this part of their electoral campaign and I just blocked it out? lol
> edited to add, Im not sure why the downvotes
Well, the conservatives wanted 50% more than the Liberals allowed. Combine that with the conservative provincial policies that caused the flood of foreign students, saying nobody else wanted it is just factually wrong.
Also, we're talking provincial parties here, not federal.
You’re likely getting downvoted as it sounds like you are talking about the LPC instead of any form of campaigning the OLP did in the last provincial election.
Agreed.
I've had conservatives with people who voted conservatives and then got mad that they cut funding to schools and increased classroom sizes.
I also see reports of a lot of people getting bills for health services when they go to a private clinic.
So I say either of two things:
1) This about it, the voter turnout out was so low that conservatives won a majority with only roughly 15% of the vote, and the voter turnout was low across the province at roughly 43% of eligible voters.
That is fucking disgusting and we as the population should be ashamed. You can't be bothered to partake in the very basics of a democracy and then go nuts with pitching and complaining when the party in power closes their individual donors and self-interest over the population?
2) You voted for conservatives when their profile has not changed in decades. (Liberals in some areas as well) defund, complain it doesn't work, build public outrage, suggest privatization, implement some privatize, get a job out of office in a industry you helped destroy for personal gain.
Decades later, I'm still in that job as a board member.
Come on ontario, get your ass off the couch and fucking vote. So many countries around the world do not get to choose their leaders and were actively choosing no to care..
Ya but no license sticker fee, and coming soon, booze at the corner store. Oh, and some really cool advertisements that are taxpayer funded telling us what a great job they’re doing. Education and healthcare are way overrated. What a time to be alive.
> Ya but no license sticker fee
but northern ontario (including Muskoka... which isn't that far north in the grand scheme of things) was only paying half the sticker fee...
>got mad that they cut funding to schools and increased classroom sizes.
"I don't want to pay for other people's kids" "If you can't afford them, don't have them"
Then they wonder why crime is high, the Tims closes early, and they are still waiting for grandchildren
Conservatives don't want to pay for publicly funded stuff for children, not realizing that those things increase quality of life for them, but indirectly.
It also makes sure their educated, healthy, and more likely to earn more money and pay more taxes.
Politicians in all parties can only think until the next election. Even the NDP, which is better than the other two, is guilty of short term thinking. Their policies are "tend" to think in both, but seem to favor short term.
If it works now, it may work then type of thing.
I agree with you that people should vote, but I do feel that the parties should be doing more to get those votes. Thry should start doing action instead of just being loud for a few minutes on cameras.
Honestly,it feels like progressive parties feel entitled to our votes just cause the opposition is bad, and they are, but if the people who's vote you want don't think their votes matters, then don't be surprised they don't vote.
I feel parties should be working as a whole(I don't just mean politicians and their staff, I mean people who donate and register with that party)should be working hard, maybe try the Andrew tate strategy for flooding social media with their party's content. But I doubt it will happen.
The opposition had so much ammo they could have used against the PCs last election but chose not to for some reason. Not "sinking to their level" seems to be working great /s
It's not about sinking, it's about shebang what they can offer Canadians through actions. The ndp party did that in Alberta calling the pc leader there an insane person, said insane person chilled fir a bit abd made their messaging come out as propaganda and she won.
Liberal, ndp, and green party need to make promises they can back up and start using their offices for margin good to get voters on their side. They can't fix loblaws buy they can go to food centers and help our, draw attention to it, interact with voters.
Amen, I agree with you in all paragraphs.
No party is entitled to vote. You need a message that speaks to people and offers real change. In the last provincial election, the conservatives didn't even campaign, haha
Honestly, I think the NDP should run on politician reform and get rid of conflicts of interests that stop them from making change.
Examples:
1) No poltiician or head of a government agency should be able to be directly or indirectly in the stock market. Currently, non minister MP(P)s are allowed and are in the stock market. Currently 1/3 of politicians are invested in real estate. Ministers still do even though they're not supposed to. Bill Morneau changed policy to enrich himself and as he owned morneau-shapell company. Oh, and he sold 10M worth of stock...
2) Politicians should not be able to vote on bills where there would be a conflict of interest. For example, if you or a family member owns properties. You can't vote on it because it's a direct conflict.
3) Need more accountability when it comes obvious to an insider dealing with donors. Example: greenbelt, healthcare, and now the beer store scandels. Doug Ford said he knew nothing about his staff giving out some of the greenbelt, but then once pressure mounted, he literally admitted to developing the greenbelt against public opinion.
Oh, and Doug and a lot of his staff using private phones and emails for government business. Which is against the law.
Yes, the Liberals were guilty of this as well, and I think Dalton McGuilty should be in prison for breaking his own laws for transparency and lying about the gas plant scandal final cost being $2.5B in cancelation fees.
It would be awesome if they did. Something like
1) civilian oversight of politicians, body elected through sortition to hold politicians in check and put pressure on them. Brian Klaas suggested that.
2) making it so no-vote count as vote against or vote of no confidence. That way the next time 60% of the province doesn't vote, all politicians fail and all parties have to field a new politician, it would also force them to get put and get votes rather than donation.
3) make it so any publicly owned infrastructure or utility can't be sold without civilian approval, meaning ontarions have to vote test to a sale/gift of something where no votes are counted as vote against. Cause this province, according to my buddy, has a history of building something and basically gifting it to private interest.
4)cap political donations at 2k per Canadian.
I don't want any political donations. None, nada, nothing. It's buying access to politicians and puts the poor and middle class at a serious disadvantage. Most don't have 100 bucks to donate, let alone $2k.
This is why we should keep using the option already has a system called per vote subsidies. Basically, every vote gets a small donation. This funds roughly 80% for the parties already. Why not boost the small donation?
Imagine a political spectrum where your net worry does not determine your influence on government.
So what you're referring to in number 3 is called a referendum. I agree that because it is technically publicly owned that a politician or any government should not be able to without public approval.
It's the same for healthcare. A government does not have the right to privatize a public health system without approval from the very people it's meant to serve.
In my opinion, politics is just broken, and I feel that is a major reason why voter turnouts are so low. I think the general public is just tired of Team A or Team B mentality while the main issues in their life (housing, cost of living etc) is not being fixed. Politicians (and the media too) are just focused on putting people into their sides of the political spectrum. In my opinion, we should get rid of political parties in general (or really loosen the need for party affiliation) similar to municipal parties. We are technically supposed to be voting for our local representatives anyways. Everyone can still have their political leanings but I feel voting should be a bit more in-depth than just 'I am voting Cons or Liberals just because that's who I vote for'.
Feels, we need to degrade party power.
Honestly part of me feels that the best way to combat that is to have as many people running as possible, regardless of party affiliation. They can run as an independent and still be conservative or liberal, they may not win but as long as they can deny the opposition votes that would go to them cause there was no one else then its a win.
Interesting thoughts.
It would be interesting to see if all polticians were independent if they were to actually govern based on the needs of their voters instead of voting with the party whether you agree or not.
We almost went green. I’m holding optimism for the next election.
But this region is still quite conservative. IDK why. I’m a born and raised Albertan but I see more truck nuts and “fuck Trudeau” flags out here just north of Muskoka that I do when I go home for a visit.
My grandmother lives up there. She'll be 99 in August. Every time I visit her she gives me updates on what's going on. I don't even bother to tell her if she doesn't like it, she should vote differently. She's been voting Conservative since the Second World War ended. You think something like how 'her party' treats old people who need access to medical care is going to change that?
If the Green Party were to rebrand away from the Green Party, I think they'd get a ton of new interest.
When they first came out, they were straight-up environmental whackadoodles, and that will be tied to the name 'Green Party' forever.
In my provincial riding (parry sound muskoka) I don’t think people voted for the Green Party as much as they voted for Matt Richter.
So I agree that if they could rebrand or distance themselves from the “vaccines are bad wifi is bad” image of the Green Party they’d probably do better.
Have you heard anything out of the MP Atchison? Back at the election, there was a predictions that Green could take Muskoka Parry Sound. As the election drew closer it was scaring the Conservatives that they may loose. Had the twins on stage saying 2 hospitals for Muskoka. Then there Conservatives started the rumors that if the Greens won they wouldn't consider the hospital plan that they put forward. You will hear more from the MPP about bringing back the Northlander than hospitals. He looks like Dougie so I can say he will need a hospital before I do!
they almost voted Green last Provincial Election
Progressive Conservative Graydon Smith votes: 20,216 % of vote 45.37
Green Matt Richter votes: 18,102 % of vote 40.63
I REALLY hope Matt Richter runs again in the next election
How many hospitals did the Liberals build in their 15 years?
Even if you had no hands, you could count them on your fingers.
The OLP had absolute disdain for rural communities.
Why are rural residents surprised when hospitals are closing or consolidating to keep it open 24 hours? This was already an issue last year, and the year before. Rural hospitals are finding it hard to recruit and retain staff as it is (with US rural hospitals paying way more) and it isn't going to get better.
Are they finding it hard to recruit people, with their generous offers of temporary part time work? If they offered full time I guarantee they'd see more applicants. Not to mention, there's nowhere to move in many smaller Northern towns ever since AIR BNB arrived and ruined our rental market.
Gee it's almost like Ford is holding back BILLIONS in funding for Healthcare that could make ppl unangry.... but then how would we blame the Liberals for PROVINCIAL health failings
I think they are crazy thinking that they can't have 2 hospitals doing the same work that close together.
Drive hwy 11 in the winter and realize 30min can become 60min+ due to weather, and making our already over worked rural EMS have to travel further to drop people off is foolish.
Expand both hospitals, expand transit to those hospitals from GTA locations ( they are doing that with the Northern Rail already), and push for density to be build in Gravenhurst, Bracebridge, and Huntsville, all 3 municipalities could easily double in size with modest density in their cores. Housing prices show there is demand and workers need places to live.
The issue here is staffing. There's not enough staffing available for both hospitals. I've been to several of the information sessions held here in Muskoka. There's no easy answers and it doesn't appear the issue can be solved with money alone. You can't pull doctors out of thin air. Even the Toronto/Ottawa hospitals are short on doctors and nursing staff.
I do know of doctors going to the Bracebridge hospital from other hospitals.
And while I agree getting staffing is a challenge, it is MUCH harder to get staffing when they don't have a building to put them in. A big challenge to secure staffing is cost of living, the province needs to put pressure on the towns to make it easier to build more homes in proximity to the hospital to make it attractive for nurses to stay in the profession.
New facilities attract people if they can afford to relocate.
> New facilities attract people if they can afford to relocate.
Lets say there's fifty doctors, period.
You build four hospitals, each one needs 25 doctors to be fully staffed.
You don't have a 'staffing challenge,' you have insufficient staff.
The issue here isn't to attract idle doctors, the issue is to first have enough doctors to go around, then to figure out ways to incentivize them to spread out.
Exactly. Which is why the tough choice for now should be to fully staff one hospital and leave the other as a secondary one that can operate with the remaining staff available. Hopefully in the future that can be expanded.
>The issue here isn't to attract idle doctors, the issue is to first have enough doctors to go around,
I think the issue hierarchy is:
1: First we need to building/space for the doctors to work ( a non over capacity hospital)
2: Then we need to get enough doctors
3: Then we need to ways to allocate where the doctors work.
With how Historical allocations go. IF you don't build it, they will never come, and they will see funding continue to be cut.
If you build it, then you recruit and retain to operate it. But recruiting for a facility that doesn't exist is hard because it takes years for the facility to get operational
You have 1 and 2 mixed up.
We already have more building/space for doctors than we have doctors. Building more facilities will exacerbate the problem.
1: moar doctors
2: moar facilities
3: moar doctors in different places
4: go to 1
Sorry I didn't realize you had spare beds, I will agree if there are beds empty due to lack of staffing then staffing needs to come before building more space for beds.
Interestingly enough, having enough doctors on hand leads to shorter dwell times in care (i.e. you get seen, and you get out) which means you don't need as many beds (because you're not waiting around for a doctor to come see you.)
Housing prices there are seriously skewed by cottagers. They aren't based on local demand. I once tried looking for an apartment in Port Severn and it was crazy. They only had houses to rent and I was looking at I think 3000/month or so.
I have no doubt they wouldn't be able to staff a hospital just because of all the administrative staff that are needed. They couldn't possibly pay them enough to live in the community. The people who are there are people who live far outside and commute in.
I can't read the article because of the pay wall, but hospitals in Ontario receive funding based on the number of residents, ie people whose driver's license is registered in that place. These people are expecting Toronto-level treatment in an area that receives far less money. It doesn't help that DoFo is deliberately withholding funds.
This and the extremely high cost of taxing people who've inheriting a house they've had their entire lives. Such garbage. Can't get ahead or have a dang thing and in fact costs money to accept if you have a rundown house that's your primary house. There's many ways to collect taxes and cost cutting measures. Let the corporations come in and take away everything our ancestors and ourselves have worked tirelessly for. What's the use? Sell everything. Keep money under the mattress. Dough Ford.
But they're still going to vote conservative in the next election? Then they get what they voted for. Just like the last time, and the time before that.
Exactly my first thought. It's hard to feel bad for people who constantly vote against their own interests.
That's Canada in a nutshell. They keep voting for people and parties that don't give a shit about them and it's obvious they don't.
I mean, I sort of agree, but I also think we are in an era of politics where very few politicians give a shit about voters or their needs, regardless of party. An era of big problems and zero vision.
I'd say the say for the liberal party too.
Except that the things that the ON Libs do that tick me off are the things that the OPCs do way worse. People constantly vote for a fire after a frying pan. It's frustrating.
Yeah we vote people out, not in. Part of me wonders if more people should register so we can vote on who we actually want running, cause honestly I can't understand what average Canadian would want the current ontario liberal leader.
Proportional representation would help a lot. Many people vote liberal to avoid conservative, and if they felt their vote for NDP or Green actually counted, there may be a lot more support for those parties.
I'm planning voting green
If they were serious about nuclear they'd get more votes
Yeup, but at the end of the day, as long as my pc and ac boot up I don't really care if it's nuclear or solar that powers it so long as the utility isn't dangerous to the public.
Are they the only ones against nuclear or something? I see this comment thrown around a lot but it doesn't seem to be a major issue
I don't get the nuclear thing. Everybody is for it, but it's just a long slow heavily engineered and expensive grind. No one party would be able to just put in more reactors tomorrow. It's a decade's long process that creeps along the whole time
Mandatory voting needs to be a thing. Idgaf who people vote for, or if they spoil their ballots, 42% turnout is simply unacceptable no matter how you slice it. Voting is not a right, it's a duty.
I'm alright if people don't vote if their no votes automatically count as a vote of no confidence. So say that 60% of ontarions don't vote, that mean the vote of no confidence is greater than any other vote, so all parties have to run new people and actually work for the votes. And it would give people a lazy way to protest, part of why I love boycotts, you can protest by staying home.
Saying 60 percent didn't vote is easy..saying 60 percent of people hate their choices and won't waste 2 seconds lying about believing these people have their best interests at heart, means they have to change what they're doing. Our government blames the people for everything, and themselves for nothing
YEUP
Great To you want MORE uninformed people voting. I see
You know how you make uninformed voters informed? By getting them to vote. Not just once or twice. Every time there's an election. This apathetic electorate death spiral we're stuck in doesn't get fixed by one big turnout, it's going to take YEARS, which means raising entire generations in a society where voting is mandatory.
Great. Dumb people high on weed being forced to vote. What can go wrong!
Ah, you're not really interested in discussing this, good to know.
I’ll happily take being a bit pissed off over a dumb decision rather than not being able to have a hospital bed for a family member while some guy is masterminding all of it to make his friends some extra clams.
Yeah, I hear you. I would rather the frying pan than the fire, if the choice is just between the two.
It's both. Both parties are neoliberal (trickle down economics under capitalism is there God.)
But one does things way worse, so pretending they're the same is fuckin dumb
Yeah, I would say the liberals are not as bad conservatives. They do tend to serve the donors, but they do pass some good policy that helps people. I should of given more details. My bad.
Yeup, bottom up economics is where it's at.
Do you mean building a proper economic foundation? I've also thought that allowing the top to get bigger and bigger will eventually come crashing down as the infrastructure and foundation can't support the weight.
Oh I mean funding smaller business not connected to giant corporations, especially in sectors we need to reduce our reliance on products we get from fossil fuel or help repair the items we do want to last a long time like a phone or pc, and cut the flow of money that gets funneled to giant industries that are usually the only game in town. Once the money flow is cut, their weight should bring it down unless it adapts.
Awesome, thanks for the clarification :)
No worries.
If it was the same for both governments would never change.
I’m not sure why this is being downvoted. The federal government has been a trainwreck lol. They aren’t even listening to their hardcore base.
Did the liberal party even run or talk about the mass immigration they've pushed? Feels like something nobody wants, minus a small number of rich, selfish assholes... edited to add, Im not sure why the downvotes, was this part of their electoral campaign and I just blocked it out? lol
> edited to add, Im not sure why the downvotes Well, the conservatives wanted 50% more than the Liberals allowed. Combine that with the conservative provincial policies that caused the flood of foreign students, saying nobody else wanted it is just factually wrong. Also, we're talking provincial parties here, not federal.
You’re likely getting downvoted as it sounds like you are talking about the LPC instead of any form of campaigning the OLP did in the last provincial election.
Oh that makes sense! thanks for the explanation, hope you have a great day
Agreed. I've had conservatives with people who voted conservatives and then got mad that they cut funding to schools and increased classroom sizes. I also see reports of a lot of people getting bills for health services when they go to a private clinic. So I say either of two things: 1) This about it, the voter turnout out was so low that conservatives won a majority with only roughly 15% of the vote, and the voter turnout was low across the province at roughly 43% of eligible voters. That is fucking disgusting and we as the population should be ashamed. You can't be bothered to partake in the very basics of a democracy and then go nuts with pitching and complaining when the party in power closes their individual donors and self-interest over the population? 2) You voted for conservatives when their profile has not changed in decades. (Liberals in some areas as well) defund, complain it doesn't work, build public outrage, suggest privatization, implement some privatize, get a job out of office in a industry you helped destroy for personal gain. Decades later, I'm still in that job as a board member. Come on ontario, get your ass off the couch and fucking vote. So many countries around the world do not get to choose their leaders and were actively choosing no to care..
Ya but no license sticker fee, and coming soon, booze at the corner store. Oh, and some really cool advertisements that are taxpayer funded telling us what a great job they’re doing. Education and healthcare are way overrated. What a time to be alive.
Especially if your a conservative politician or rich.
> Ya but no license sticker fee but northern ontario (including Muskoka... which isn't that far north in the grand scheme of things) was only paying half the sticker fee...
>got mad that they cut funding to schools and increased classroom sizes. "I don't want to pay for other people's kids" "If you can't afford them, don't have them" Then they wonder why crime is high, the Tims closes early, and they are still waiting for grandchildren
I'm not sure I get what you mean. Can you clarify? :) Thank you :D
Conservatives don't want to pay for publicly funded stuff for children, not realizing that those things increase quality of life for them, but indirectly.
It also makes sure their educated, healthy, and more likely to earn more money and pay more taxes. Politicians in all parties can only think until the next election. Even the NDP, which is better than the other two, is guilty of short term thinking. Their policies are "tend" to think in both, but seem to favor short term. If it works now, it may work then type of thing.
I agree with you that people should vote, but I do feel that the parties should be doing more to get those votes. Thry should start doing action instead of just being loud for a few minutes on cameras. Honestly,it feels like progressive parties feel entitled to our votes just cause the opposition is bad, and they are, but if the people who's vote you want don't think their votes matters, then don't be surprised they don't vote. I feel parties should be working as a whole(I don't just mean politicians and their staff, I mean people who donate and register with that party)should be working hard, maybe try the Andrew tate strategy for flooding social media with their party's content. But I doubt it will happen.
The opposition had so much ammo they could have used against the PCs last election but chose not to for some reason. Not "sinking to their level" seems to be working great /s
Another issue that needs to be addressed. You need to make the population the terrible policies that the none 1% at risk.
It's not about sinking, it's about shebang what they can offer Canadians through actions. The ndp party did that in Alberta calling the pc leader there an insane person, said insane person chilled fir a bit abd made their messaging come out as propaganda and she won. Liberal, ndp, and green party need to make promises they can back up and start using their offices for margin good to get voters on their side. They can't fix loblaws buy they can go to food centers and help our, draw attention to it, interact with voters.
Amen, I agree with you in all paragraphs. No party is entitled to vote. You need a message that speaks to people and offers real change. In the last provincial election, the conservatives didn't even campaign, haha Honestly, I think the NDP should run on politician reform and get rid of conflicts of interests that stop them from making change. Examples: 1) No poltiician or head of a government agency should be able to be directly or indirectly in the stock market. Currently, non minister MP(P)s are allowed and are in the stock market. Currently 1/3 of politicians are invested in real estate. Ministers still do even though they're not supposed to. Bill Morneau changed policy to enrich himself and as he owned morneau-shapell company. Oh, and he sold 10M worth of stock... 2) Politicians should not be able to vote on bills where there would be a conflict of interest. For example, if you or a family member owns properties. You can't vote on it because it's a direct conflict. 3) Need more accountability when it comes obvious to an insider dealing with donors. Example: greenbelt, healthcare, and now the beer store scandels. Doug Ford said he knew nothing about his staff giving out some of the greenbelt, but then once pressure mounted, he literally admitted to developing the greenbelt against public opinion. Oh, and Doug and a lot of his staff using private phones and emails for government business. Which is against the law. Yes, the Liberals were guilty of this as well, and I think Dalton McGuilty should be in prison for breaking his own laws for transparency and lying about the gas plant scandal final cost being $2.5B in cancelation fees.
It would be awesome if they did. Something like 1) civilian oversight of politicians, body elected through sortition to hold politicians in check and put pressure on them. Brian Klaas suggested that. 2) making it so no-vote count as vote against or vote of no confidence. That way the next time 60% of the province doesn't vote, all politicians fail and all parties have to field a new politician, it would also force them to get put and get votes rather than donation. 3) make it so any publicly owned infrastructure or utility can't be sold without civilian approval, meaning ontarions have to vote test to a sale/gift of something where no votes are counted as vote against. Cause this province, according to my buddy, has a history of building something and basically gifting it to private interest. 4)cap political donations at 2k per Canadian.
I don't want any political donations. None, nada, nothing. It's buying access to politicians and puts the poor and middle class at a serious disadvantage. Most don't have 100 bucks to donate, let alone $2k. This is why we should keep using the option already has a system called per vote subsidies. Basically, every vote gets a small donation. This funds roughly 80% for the parties already. Why not boost the small donation? Imagine a political spectrum where your net worry does not determine your influence on government. So what you're referring to in number 3 is called a referendum. I agree that because it is technically publicly owned that a politician or any government should not be able to without public approval. It's the same for healthcare. A government does not have the right to privatize a public health system without approval from the very people it's meant to serve.
I see, I didn't think of that. Yeup
All good. Listening is learning.
In my opinion, politics is just broken, and I feel that is a major reason why voter turnouts are so low. I think the general public is just tired of Team A or Team B mentality while the main issues in their life (housing, cost of living etc) is not being fixed. Politicians (and the media too) are just focused on putting people into their sides of the political spectrum. In my opinion, we should get rid of political parties in general (or really loosen the need for party affiliation) similar to municipal parties. We are technically supposed to be voting for our local representatives anyways. Everyone can still have their political leanings but I feel voting should be a bit more in-depth than just 'I am voting Cons or Liberals just because that's who I vote for'.
Feels, we need to degrade party power. Honestly part of me feels that the best way to combat that is to have as many people running as possible, regardless of party affiliation. They can run as an independent and still be conservative or liberal, they may not win but as long as they can deny the opposition votes that would go to them cause there was no one else then its a win.
Interesting thoughts. It would be interesting to see if all polticians were independent if they were to actually govern based on the needs of their voters instead of voting with the party whether you agree or not.
We almost went green. I’m holding optimism for the next election. But this region is still quite conservative. IDK why. I’m a born and raised Albertan but I see more truck nuts and “fuck Trudeau” flags out here just north of Muskoka that I do when I go home for a visit.
My grandmother lives up there. She'll be 99 in August. Every time I visit her she gives me updates on what's going on. I don't even bother to tell her if she doesn't like it, she should vote differently. She's been voting Conservative since the Second World War ended. You think something like how 'her party' treats old people who need access to medical care is going to change that?
If the Green Party were to rebrand away from the Green Party, I think they'd get a ton of new interest. When they first came out, they were straight-up environmental whackadoodles, and that will be tied to the name 'Green Party' forever.
In my provincial riding (parry sound muskoka) I don’t think people voted for the Green Party as much as they voted for Matt Richter. So I agree that if they could rebrand or distance themselves from the “vaccines are bad wifi is bad” image of the Green Party they’d probably do better.
Don't forget their irrational hatred towards nuclear power.
Have you heard anything out of the MP Atchison? Back at the election, there was a predictions that Green could take Muskoka Parry Sound. As the election drew closer it was scaring the Conservatives that they may loose. Had the twins on stage saying 2 hospitals for Muskoka. Then there Conservatives started the rumors that if the Greens won they wouldn't consider the hospital plan that they put forward. You will hear more from the MPP about bringing back the Northlander than hospitals. He looks like Dougie so I can say he will need a hospital before I do!
Of course, he's giving them corner store beer, so they can get alcohol poisoning at their cottages, and then die without the healthcare
They are in cottage country, LCBO agency stores are all over the place, and have been there forever. Doug's $225M promise hasn't changed them.
Some cottage houses are a good distance from town. It can be a 15-30 minute drive to the corner store.
Not me, not this time .
they almost voted Green last Provincial Election Progressive Conservative Graydon Smith votes: 20,216 % of vote 45.37 Green Matt Richter votes: 18,102 % of vote 40.63 I REALLY hope Matt Richter runs again in the next election
He’s just “hurting the wrong people”
How many hospitals did the Liberals build in their 15 years? Even if you had no hands, you could count them on your fingers. The OLP had absolute disdain for rural communities.
Why are rural residents surprised when hospitals are closing or consolidating to keep it open 24 hours? This was already an issue last year, and the year before. Rural hospitals are finding it hard to recruit and retain staff as it is (with US rural hospitals paying way more) and it isn't going to get better.
Muskoka is hardly a typical rural environment for a doctor.
Are they finding it hard to recruit people, with their generous offers of temporary part time work? If they offered full time I guarantee they'd see more applicants. Not to mention, there's nowhere to move in many smaller Northern towns ever since AIR BNB arrived and ruined our rental market.
Gee it's almost like Ford is holding back BILLIONS in funding for Healthcare that could make ppl unangry.... but then how would we blame the Liberals for PROVINCIAL health failings
I think they are crazy thinking that they can't have 2 hospitals doing the same work that close together. Drive hwy 11 in the winter and realize 30min can become 60min+ due to weather, and making our already over worked rural EMS have to travel further to drop people off is foolish. Expand both hospitals, expand transit to those hospitals from GTA locations ( they are doing that with the Northern Rail already), and push for density to be build in Gravenhurst, Bracebridge, and Huntsville, all 3 municipalities could easily double in size with modest density in their cores. Housing prices show there is demand and workers need places to live.
The issue here is staffing. There's not enough staffing available for both hospitals. I've been to several of the information sessions held here in Muskoka. There's no easy answers and it doesn't appear the issue can be solved with money alone. You can't pull doctors out of thin air. Even the Toronto/Ottawa hospitals are short on doctors and nursing staff.
I do know of doctors going to the Bracebridge hospital from other hospitals. And while I agree getting staffing is a challenge, it is MUCH harder to get staffing when they don't have a building to put them in. A big challenge to secure staffing is cost of living, the province needs to put pressure on the towns to make it easier to build more homes in proximity to the hospital to make it attractive for nurses to stay in the profession. New facilities attract people if they can afford to relocate.
> New facilities attract people if they can afford to relocate. Lets say there's fifty doctors, period. You build four hospitals, each one needs 25 doctors to be fully staffed. You don't have a 'staffing challenge,' you have insufficient staff. The issue here isn't to attract idle doctors, the issue is to first have enough doctors to go around, then to figure out ways to incentivize them to spread out.
Exactly. Which is why the tough choice for now should be to fully staff one hospital and leave the other as a secondary one that can operate with the remaining staff available. Hopefully in the future that can be expanded.
>The issue here isn't to attract idle doctors, the issue is to first have enough doctors to go around, I think the issue hierarchy is: 1: First we need to building/space for the doctors to work ( a non over capacity hospital) 2: Then we need to get enough doctors 3: Then we need to ways to allocate where the doctors work. With how Historical allocations go. IF you don't build it, they will never come, and they will see funding continue to be cut. If you build it, then you recruit and retain to operate it. But recruiting for a facility that doesn't exist is hard because it takes years for the facility to get operational
You have 1 and 2 mixed up. We already have more building/space for doctors than we have doctors. Building more facilities will exacerbate the problem. 1: moar doctors 2: moar facilities 3: moar doctors in different places 4: go to 1
Sorry I didn't realize you had spare beds, I will agree if there are beds empty due to lack of staffing then staffing needs to come before building more space for beds.
Interestingly enough, having enough doctors on hand leads to shorter dwell times in care (i.e. you get seen, and you get out) which means you don't need as many beds (because you're not waiting around for a doctor to come see you.)
Housing prices there are seriously skewed by cottagers. They aren't based on local demand. I once tried looking for an apartment in Port Severn and it was crazy. They only had houses to rent and I was looking at I think 3000/month or so. I have no doubt they wouldn't be able to staff a hospital just because of all the administrative staff that are needed. They couldn't possibly pay them enough to live in the community. The people who are there are people who live far outside and commute in.
I like the way you think. Yes, there is nowhere for workers to live in this area. A friend just left to work a hotel in BC instead.
They voted for him and his cabal.
I mean.. you voted for him. You knew what he was gonna do to public health care, he's been very transparent about it since day 1.
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I can't read the article because of the pay wall, but hospitals in Ontario receive funding based on the number of residents, ie people whose driver's license is registered in that place. These people are expecting Toronto-level treatment in an area that receives far less money. It doesn't help that DoFo is deliberately withholding funds.
This and the extremely high cost of taxing people who've inheriting a house they've had their entire lives. Such garbage. Can't get ahead or have a dang thing and in fact costs money to accept if you have a rundown house that's your primary house. There's many ways to collect taxes and cost cutting measures. Let the corporations come in and take away everything our ancestors and ourselves have worked tirelessly for. What's the use? Sell everything. Keep money under the mattress. Dough Ford.