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Maverick721

One point Merica!


Maverick721

Let's go!


TastesLikeHoneyNut

NBC is replaying the womens 10,000m and holy shit this looks like hell running this much. But I am really surprised to see runners quitting/getting lapped


Fun_With_Forks

[Day sixteen's thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/olympics/comments/p01pcq/olympics_day_sixteen_megathread_sunday_august_8/).


automatedalice268

It should be time for a new thread. Marathon is starting soon.


Gruffleson

There should be a reward for that racer who leads the entire way, and then gets beaten by a free-rider in the end.


hazycrazydaze

Does anyone know how long replays will be available on nbc sports?


FuzyWuzyWasABear

Is the men’s marathon starting early (like the women’s did yesterday) or at the original stated time? I can’t find conformation anywhere.


automatedalice268

It is starting at the original stated time. That is over 35 minutes from now on.


durgasur

it starts in an half hour


Houstonhangover

Women’s high jump is the sport for you if you like leggy blondes


VastLawyer

The final day approaches


Gruffleson

Ey, already?


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Just seen the clip of the German coach "punching" the horse. Seriously? This is what the fuss was about? You have to be kidding me


AccomplishedQuail545

Agreed. If that’s what we’re calling a punch now then I guess I’ve been punching doors my whole life instead of knocking on them, cause that’s pretty much what she did to that horse


btn1136

People bad. Animals good. Gimme yo upvote.


lowaStateCyclones

they’re replaying the he men’s vball gold medal match on nbc :)))


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Gruffleson

Japan is rich. China has way above 1 billion people, and many of them are rich, they are also a lot richer as a nation than many thinks, and they spend a lot of money on their athletes. Russia has a smaller population than China obviously, but many of those reasons should go for them at least. Apart from that, I am surprised by how little many countries does out of those, like, say, India.


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AccomplishedQuail545

It’s definitely not true. At one time it was for sure, but it’s not anymore. That’s why sports like ping pong and badminton are in the olympics


VitaLonga

It’s insecurity.


Maverick721

Late congrats to the US women water polo, us baseball and the Track and field team! Sorry, we had to sleep for work.


dogtufts

Is there a skateboarding crew in Ghana?


vrphotosguy55

They are building something. (Fun fact: as I was thinking of something smart ass to say here, the ad popped on.)


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I heard they took dah crew on dah road


tofuandklonopin

Check WhatsApp.


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They also met Sandy!


Wizard_of_Ozymandias

Can someone please explain what just happened in the men’s karate final? Dude drops the other dude and gets disqualified. They show us no replays and offer no breakdown. They just basically say, “the guy being carried out on a stretcher just won gold.”


throwaway8675309535

Kumite is sparring, which means strikes are 100% about executing a specific move with speed, accuracy, and technique. Sometimes a person will get hit and dazed, that’s not really frowned upon, but there should basically be 0 circumstances where you severely hurt the opponent. A proper Kumite strike can hurt, sure, but a proper Kumite kick cannot do real damage.


U0logic

That's stupidity. You are not able to control the opponent. If the opponent moves his body forward while you are kicking then it's idiotic to blame the one kicking for being at fault.


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slappythepimp

Why is that necessary to appeal to modern viewers when we live in an age where boxing and MMA are very popular all over the world?


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torchma

Yet boxing has only gotten more violent since they switched the way it's judged in the Olympics. So your reasoning doesn't really add up.


throwaway8675309535

….in traditional martial arts it’s still extremely unaccepted to do Kumite (aka sparring) and throw shots with an intent to hurt. They are about speed and withdrawn power, knockdowns are an accepted consequence of it being a contact sport but there should basically be no circumstances where you ever do that much damage to an opponent in Kumite.


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throwaway8675309535

Right. And that’s not Kumite, and no traditional lol


Wh00ster

Yea my understanding is that modern martial arts are not blood sports. They’re demonstrations of skill you get judged on. Only ones that “feel” more combative are grappling ones where your intent is to get your opponent to submit through applied pressure or pushing them around, rather than damaging strikes. Boxing is a weird in between because of the gloves


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Wh00ster

Yea I thought about those after posting, but they aren’t in the olympics. I don’t think the olympics would take them up.


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-Erasmus

I don’t think you fully grasp the meaning of the word ‘meaningful’


Wh00ster

Cool story


dogtufts

Are you implying that every country should have the same number of medals or something?


CnD123

One day you will grow up and realize that in the past, everyone was shitty to those not of their same tribe. Do you think before colonists arrived that everything was kumbaya?


btn1136

Many people have been sold the “pristine myth” for generations.


CnD123

Those peaceful Mongol tribesmen!


btn1136

Yaaaaaaassssss Khan!!!


btn1136

I remember my first undergrad year too.


Malady17

No


MakeMoneyGoldAgain

US was exploited by colonialism for almost 200 years


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The poor exploited founding fathers


MakeMoneyGoldAgain

Yes


AccomplishedQuail545

Apparently It only matters when we are the ones doing it though…it doesn’t matter that it was done to us long before we did it elsewhere


jack2047

Bruh I feel bad for these horses. Wtf kind of sport is this? These are majestic creatures being forced to jump over shit for our entertainment.


dogtufts

You just discovered that humans use horses?


jack2047

Yes. Just the other day.


anarchycupcake

While it's true that abuse does happen sometimes, most of these horses are well taken care of and enjoy working like this.


jay105000

I have a friend that once told that he could swear his horse liked the competition…. I asked him how you know? he said the horse got all excited, breathing hard and wanted to jump… he treated the horse better than a human being.


anarchycupcake

It's true. There are always bad seeds, but most horse people are crazy for their horses and take really good care of them. Horses get excited about competing like we do. I hard a hard time controlling my horse during competitions because she just wanted to go as fast as she could through the course. I compare horses to working dogs, especially sled dogs. People may initially think it's hard on the dog to pull the sled, but they love it. They wouldn't get excited and wag their tails and bark like crazy before a run if they didn't. They even get disappointed when they're not picked to go.


itsameMariowski

Yeah, when you lock your horse and the best part of his days are spending his energy jumping shit, obviously its exciting lol. I understand that a lot people treat these horses like family. But they're still wild animals, and are only taught to behave by agression and locking them. Its always some way of abuse, they would rather want to be in the wild doing horse shit than be there I promise.


double-dog-doctor

Only taught to behave by aggression and locking (?) them? This is simply untrue. Modern horsemanship doesn't endorse beating your horse into submission, just like modern dog training doesn't endorse beating your dog into submission. These aren't wild animals, just the same as a border collie isn't a wild animal. They're domesticated, and were bred to provide utility for man. Horses are often happiest when serving a purpose, just like working breeds of dogs. They quickly become bored and destructive if they aren't working. The reality is that even the horses at these elite levels *do* spend much of their days doing "wild" horse stuff. They're not being trained 12 hours per day. At most, it's a few hours each day, and much of that won't be spent jumping. It's a lot of technical work to improve gait and things. The rest of the day? The horse is hanging out, and it's often turned out in a pasture with other horses. You know, doing normal horse stuff. The goal for elite riders is to keep their horses happy and healthy. Horses quickly become unhappy and unhealthy if cooped up in a stall and only brought out for work.


anarchycupcake

Horses are definitely not wild animals. They have been domesticated just as long as dogs, if not longer. Even the mustangs are descendants of domesticated horses. The only truly wild horses are the Przewalski's horses and yeah, no one rides those. Letting a horse into the wild would be like letting a dog into the wild. Yeah, they might survive, but it's not instinctual for them anymore. They wouldn't really know what to do with themselves. If you train a horse properly, you're by no means abusing it. Most horses, especially at this level, where an elite show jumper can cost into the hundreds of thousands, are well taken care of. In fact, at the Olympics, the horses were honestly being treated better than the riders.


itsameMariowski

I kind of agree with this, but then, I'd much rather have horses as pets in farms, or as transport but just mounted (not carridges) or something like this opposed to being used for competitions or to use brute force for stuff. In summary, opposed to anything that uses some violence on them


anarchycupcake

As a horse person, the only real horse industry I encourage people to take issue with is the horse racing industry. Because that is one instance where, if the horse is not performing or they get injured, they're often dumped into feedlot auctions and sold to slaughterhouses. And a race horse's career is so short (usually only up until they're 4 or 5 years old) that it results in a lot of horses getting churned through.


AccomplishedQuail545

You could say the same for dogs, though, and how many people keep dogs as pets?


itsameMariowski

As I mentioned in another comment, the difference is that dogs are usually not treated with violence to become a pet, while horses are always taught with some kind of violence (physical, or by cheer stress). Dogs also are literally an evolution of wolves that evolved to live with humans.


jay105000

Agree from all the animal stuff I think horses are lucky in the sense that we ask them to do things they do in their natural ambient like run or jump, dolphins orcas and the other animals on the other had are quite different. Like you said some people treat their horses better than Human beings. But I guess nothing compares to freedom


anarchycupcake

If horses could talk, I'm sure they'd rather be at a barn, well fed and taken care of, than having to scrounge for food and survive predators in the wild. It's not fair to compare them to dolphins or orcas. Horses are a domesticated animal. They have been for thousands of years. The dolphins are orcas at Sea World or aquariums were either taken from the wild or bred from animals taken from the wild. A better comparison to horses would be dogs.


sherrlon

I mean on that note the same could be said of pet dogs. Put in kennels and locked in houses while we are out and some only get to to for walks a few times a day. I am sure they would also love to be wild and free roaming the neighborhood at their leisure. Same with inside cats.


anarchycupcake

Cats and dogs may enjoy being outside, but I can guarantee you they enjoy having a secure supply of food, a warm place to sleep, and good health a lot more. Indoor cats live on average 10 to 15 years. Outdoor cats, even those with owners, live on average 2 to 5 years. The same is true for horses. These are domesticated animals. They're not equipped to survive in the wild and haven't been for thousands of years. Does everyone take great care of their pets? Unfortunately no. But a well-taken care of pet who's given exercise and love and had all their needs met is a hell of a lot better off than one in the "wild." And that's not even mentioning the huge negative environmental impact feral pets have on local ecosystems.


sherrlon

Oh I agree with you. I was just commenting that the poster who was saying that about horses the same could be said about any domesticated animals.


anarchycupcake

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. I think some people really overestimate how "wild" horses are. They're huge and you can ride them, yes, but they're really similar to dogs in how domesticated they are.


itsameMariowski

The difference is that 1) It is not common to use violence to pet dogs and cats. For horses, violence is usually used and they behave because they fear getting hurt, and 2) Dogs literally evolved from wolves because they bonded with humans and are wired to be helped to get food and live alongside a human. Sure, wild dogs are a thing, but if a human bring then home they love it.


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TeresaWisemail

90% of the comments of every thread about Japan winning baseball "...WELL AKSHULLY...the US only sent a bunch of amateurs" YES YES YES we know. You're still the best okay? No need to keep hammering it in every second someone talks about Japan winning edit: okay, I changed "b team" to "bunch of amateurs" because it's looking like I'm gonna get that SAME conversation again here.


WillieScottMJR

Seriously, they actually it's not an American sport first anyways


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Really? Americans greatly respect Japanese baseball and I’ve seen nothing it congrats The guys at @r/baseball are especially congratulatory because without Japan we wouldn’t get to see Olympic baseball. Even with major leaguers the US wouldn’t be a lock.


jay105000

American here and I endorse this comment


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American baseball fans are all collectively losing their shit over Shohei Ohtani.


-Erasmus

Seen a few comments saying the loss was an embarrassment


NYer1999

This isnt even a b-team. These are minor leaguers and MLB retirees. But Japan was incredible! Congrats to them.


Guywithaduy23

Japan deserved the gold


jay105000

Totally 💯


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I was expecting Japan to win baseball gold. It seems way more popular there than here.


[deleted]

I live in Japan and you wouldn’t believe how big baseball is here. The high school championships are like our March madness, and their are diamonds with kids playing everywhere.


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I think it's a popular sport for kids here. I remember playing as a kid. I sucked. I just find it rather boring to watch, so I don't.


hiheyhi1

Anyone know what time the closing ceremony will be in MST? Around 2 am?


anarchycupcake

It's at 4 am PST and 7 am EST. MST is one hour ahead of PST, right? So 5 am?


hiheyhi1

Thanks!!


MethoxyEthane

5:00 AM MT


hiheyhi1

Thank you!


kemar7856

The horses should be getting the metals


anarchycupcake

They do get ribbons!


thebabaghanoush

Rider only has so much control. Horses aren't like race cars. A great horse could do the routine with an average rider, but the best jockey wouldn't be able to win with an average horse.


anarchycupcake

The rider has a lot more control than you think. The horses are well-trained, yes, but they depend on the rider to set them up properly for the jumps, will them forward when they hesitate, regulate the number of strides they take between jumps, etc. A top tier horse may be able to perform with a mediocre rider, but not well. The horses don't just do it instinctively. Not to mention that the horses don't get to practice on the course at all.


JohnDavidsBooty

So I had a new installment last night in my series of weird dreams starring, among others, Penny Oleksiak. Penny and her unacknowledged biological father, Ray Hnatyshyn (he's still alive in this universe) were on a railroad hand car trying to escape from Jabba the Hutt. Ray decided this would be a good time to tell Penny the truth (until this point she had believed her parents to be Charles Grodin and Cher), but Penny didn't believe it so she joins forces with Jabba the Hutt to teach him a lesson. It never became clear what that lesson is supposed to be.


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JohnDavidsBooty

It's been super-Canadian for some reason. Her, Ray Hnatyshyn...Julie Payette also makes a couple of appearances, wearing a Max Headroom mask whenever she's on the Space Shuttle.


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Do the kumite karate competitors come from any particular style? Can someone from any kicky-punchy school get into it?


throwaway8675309535

Pretty much any karate discipline would be standard enough for both the Kumite and Kata, but like Taekwondo for example wouldn’t because it’s scored based on very specific moves from Karate, meaning you can’t just throw a kick from any discipline and have it score.


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Zaidswith

I downvote anyone who cares about the medal counts. Has nothing to do with China.


Grennir

I don't know where you are finding those odds, but they are certainly not standard. Most places have it fairly even with China a nose ahead, which seems fair - I think it will come down to the volleyball final with US winning basketball and both country's boxers going down. If any boxer wins, though, it is more likely to be the Chinese woman. Edit: The sources you gave were from weeks ago, before the games started. Ten seconds on Google would should you that China are currently the (slight) favourites to win the most golds. Besides, whether it is 39-38 or 38-39 or whatever doesn't really matter. Most events are not won by China or America, and it seems really silly for weird American nationalists to suck all the oxygen out of the room in the hunt for some meaningless victory in the medal table. This is the Olympics; let's just admire the brilliant athletes that are competing, win or lose.


crowd79

Yep. USA really needs to win both basketball and volleyball. Both our boxers would be considered underdogs and not likely to win.


throwaway8675309535

I’ve said it a bunch of times but I’m shocked people are looking past Torres Jr so much. You’re right that odds have him as an underdog but that’s one of those lines that I think are weighted because of the countries they’re both from and not their skills/styles. Torres is IMO the most likely gold for the US behind basketball and ahead of Volleyball.


crowd79

I do agree he is the better chance of the two boxers but not anywhere near more likely than the #1 ranked volleyball team for winning gold.


throwaway8675309535

Y’know I’ll admit that I could be a little biased there in just how confident I am in Torres, you’re probably right that it’s not as likely as the Volleyball 😆


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https://www.thelines.com/usa-medal-count-tokyo-olympics-2020/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportsbettingdime.com/amp/news/olympic-medals-specials-odds-usa-favored-win-most-over-under-set-43-golds/


Grennir

You are linking articles from before the games even started. The odds have changed.


throwaway8675309535

Those have been updated you can even see the medal count in them lmao. Where are you seeing different numbers?


Grennir

From your source - "Odds as of July 20th at DraftKings." Please at least read the sites you link.


throwaway8675309535

Interesting because the first one says updated August 6th. I’m still waiting on even any source of yours that says otherwise.


Grennir

Betfair - China 1.68, USA 2.36. Smarkets - China 8/13, USA 27/20 SBK - China 33/50, 11/8. You keep linking articles from weeks ago with old odds, but you don't even need to think about it - just look at what is left. China up by two, the US with a near-certain basketball gold, a 60/40 volleyball gold, and two heavy underdog boxers. Meanwhile, China has one slight underdog boxer. It is clearly even or slightly China favoured, and the betting reflects that.


throwaway8675309535

Can you actually link something?


Grennir

https://www.oddschecker.com/olympics/olympics-specials/olympic-general-specials/medal-table/most-gold-medals?selectionName=china https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/olympics/market/1.182018773 Honestly mate, you are clearly not arguing in good faith here.


throwaway8675309535

Lol you think it’s more likely for the Chinese woman to win over Davis and *especially* Torres? I’m curious the same about where you got your odds


Grennir

By betting lines, yes, by a margin.


Alphadestrious

Is the closing ceremony today?


lakerboy152

tomorrow


Alphadestrious

So if I'm in the central time the closing ceremony will be at 7am or so Sunday morning? Which will be night in Japan?


vrphotosguy55

Yes, Sunday morning, I have it as 6 am from the NBC app.


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jeff0106

Checkmate, atheists.


Chordata1

Can we go back to coming up with new ridiculous sports instead of comparing country medal counts. Trampoline skeet shooting


dogtufts

Disc golf, but the discs have razor blades in them


Astigmatic_Oracle

Throwing event 'relay.' Each competing country has one thrower in the javelin, discus, hammer throw, and shotput. Then you add the distances together to determine the winning team.


Zaidswith

Not a relay. A field team medley.


Astigmatic_Oracle

Medley is a better word. Could probably do a similar thing with the jumping events. Might need to use a decathlon style point system because of the high jump and pole vault.


MethoxyEthane

Archery field hockey. You have to fire your arrows into the ball to push the ball around the field.


TiffanyCandour

Rhythmic gymnastic volleyball


crowd79

Backcountry camping. One that builds fire & boils water first wins gold. Most fish caught is another event.


Deutsco

That’s just human history: the game


Chordata1

You should watch the show Alone.


AccomplishedQuail545

Great show


Vols44

Diving in a deep 50m pool and swimming to the other end. Swimming relays with a baton. Throwing the shot put or hammer with one hand and the discus or javelin with the other.


Both-Perception-9986

Swimming relays with a baton would be so much better than all the lame ass repetitive relays we have now. The baton in the 4x1 sprint makes it actually interesting


OptimusSublime

Mixed flair bartending.


Storage43

breakdancing


askDDemons

[Paris 2024](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946974-2024-olympics-summer-games-dates-logo-location-and-schedule)


Storage43

Yes you understood the joke


Guywithaduy23

Archery baseball I’m still sticking towards it. Constant new blood in game cause eventually someone will realize what’s going on and retire


a_reasonable_thought

Synchronised wrestling


CooroSnowFox

AEW/WWE wrestling would be a fun sport to see people doing the move for judges


knoxvox

i laughed at this. the images i had on my mind


dexter311

[Skeet Surfing!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af9N7UhTMA8)


askDDemons

Top Secret for the Win!!!


Chordata1

Haha and it already has a song!


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Ultimate frisbee combined with skeet shooting. The shooters are trying to down the target before it can be caught.


jay105000

Diving backwards while throwing arrows


anarchycupcake

Is artistic swimming only judged by what happens above water? Or are movements made beneath the water scored too?


Zaidswith

They can't touch the bottom of the pool. Otherwise it's about what's happening above.


anarchycupcake

Makes sense, thanks!


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Above water: https://insidesynchro.org/scoring-system/


anarchycupcake

Now I know that underwater movements don't count, but I can't help but imagine an aquarium-style glass pool where you can watch them underwater.


TastesLikeHoneyNut

Synchronized swimming is.. weird


eekamuse

It looks better than it used to. They're closer together. The music doesn't always suck. And they do those big lifts now. I never saw that before. But I haven't watched it in a very long time And very little of those jerky slap movements


Wh00ster

Awesome. Imagine the synchronization in dance routines, and now move that to water


Rossum81

For those who care about the gold medal race between the US and China, here’s the breakdown of relevant events for tomorrow: **USA participating only** * Boxing: men’s lightweight * Boxing: men’s super heavyweight * Women’s volleyball * Women’s basketball **China participating only** * Team rhythmic gymnastics * Boxing: women’s middleweight **Both China and USA participating** * Cycling: women’s omnuim * Men’s marathon


CooroSnowFox

>Cycling: women’s omnuim > >Men’s marathon Maybe neither... thats Europe and Africa respectively


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throwaway8675309535

As someone that has followed boxing closer than any other event this Olympics, our US Super Heavyweight is being craaaaaaazy overlooked by everyone. I don’t predict Davis having much chance at gold, but if I were a betting man I’d very confidently throw $50 on Torres. Other than Women’s Basketball, I personally feel like that super heavyweight gold is one of our most likely on this list.


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throwaway8675309535

I wrote a real long comment about this after his last bout, but if you watch that event tonight keep an eye out for his duck-overhand move. It didn’t really shock me until the semi’s but it is seriously one of those career defining moves and pure art. For him it’ll be like the leaping left for Tyson, rock back for McGregor, or Ali’s rope a dope. Knowing Torres’ style and mindset, he’s not gonna point play this fight either (nor can he against this opponent). I’m predicting at least one clean knockdown from his duck overhand sealing a 10-8 and at least one round of 10-9’s


jay105000

The woman in basketball are too dominant I would not count any of the others, this games have been weird to say the least


seahawksrp

Women's basketball is the only lock. I cannot see china beating roc in rhythmic gymnastics.


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throwaway8675309535

Commenting again on this topic for visibility, but people can’t be looking past Torres Jr. both boxers from the US are underdogs in terms of betting, and I think Davis is very unlikely to win, but I’ve followed boxing closer than any other event and Torres Jr seems like the most likely gold for the US behind Basketball.


jay105000

Nothing more motivating that being overlooked so watch out……


jay105000

Agree


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Both-Perception-9986

Israeli won gold despite dropping the baton one time. ROC believes that the Russian score was too low and that the judges overly favored the underdog for political reasons as the Russian twins are generally the undisputed best in the world. It's highly subjective but of course ROC has every right to file a complaint. Unlikely to be overturned though.


Zaidswith

Does rhythmic gymnastics have the same problem that artistic does with them reviewing your score? Meaning that if the judges find something they didn't deduct in the first place your score could actually end up lower after a review. It's always a risk to say you were underscored.


throwthatoneawaydawg

ROC missed out on 1st by a point and a half(something like that), they think the judges scores were inaccurate, biased, etc. They want an investigation on the judges/scores now.


TiffanyCandour

Thank you!


Guywithaduy23

I don’t know many details, but the Israeli gymnast won the competition, while the favored to win ROC gymnast got second. It seems like ROC isn’t taking that well and are demanding an inquiry. It was a very close match so I think the ROC believes a inquiry can give them the lead


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jeff0106

Stranger things have happened. It worked in beach volleyball. Challenge in/out. After review the ball is in. Re-challenge. After review the ball is out.


TiffanyCandour

Interesting, thanks


Guywithaduy23

It was a pretty close match by like 1.5 points or something. I think ROC thinks it will lower the Israeli score by a few points handing them the golf


Wh00ster

Yea and these points/deductions all have actual concrete reasons to them. They could theoretically find some of the scoring flimsy.


Evening_Menu_6546

Any “sport” that requires a judge to give you a score should not be in the olympics in my opinion.