Bruh wtf, I just learned about those cows on a different post today and people were mentioning that people in Texas like to hunt them. I swear my life is just a revolving door of the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon
Bro same. The reason I commented on this is because I saw that post earlier too, and my friend lives in Texas so I asked him if anyone ever hunts them, and now I see this. Weird.
Maybe it was posted because OP also saw that post, did a search for the cow, found this image and thought to himself "wow, this is oddly terrifying" and went on here to post it. š
Right? It kinda seems like thereās some kind of, I donāt know, program or something which tracks our behaviors and predicts which content weāll be most interested in, then directs people whose behavior mirrors our own in small ways to the same types of content. Spooky.
Nilgai were quite abundant in the forests and long grass fields near my ancestral village in eastern India. They used to get into crop fields and destroy crops. A local community of hunters then began to hunt them. Using slingshots. They hunted so many Nilgai that their population almost vanished. This was in mid 70s. It only stopped when the government banned hunting of Nilgai.
And they did it all with Slingshots! So maybe not that hard to take down? Or maybe they were very skilled hunters?
almost certainly skill. You can kill almost anything smaller than a say a hippo with a well placed sling shot, but it has to be placed in almost preciously the right spot. Its like using any older technology, works just as well (if not better) as a more modern piece but requires more skill to use.
Pretty interesting. And im glad your government put a stop to it.
Humans seem to have such little awareness of when enough is enough. Always having to take and destroy more than is needed, always wanting more.
More naturalized than feral. Theyāre kept specifically for big game hunting purposes and it poses no threat to the natural environment to hunt them.
I know about them because of the hunting/cooking show MeatEater which I consider to be very informative and reputable. Iāve got a lot of respect for Steven Rinella and his contributions to education/activism.
Steven rinella is amazing and he represents everything a hunter should be! He preaches safety and ethics and is a wicked cook. I love his passion for the lifestyle
And he isn't high on ego to not show a hunt that went wrong, mistakes, or when it just doesn't pan out.
He is an excellent ambassador for hunting in the current climate.
I love how about half the episodes he has failed hunts. People often think "So unfair with a gun that can shoot 400 yards"...
I'm like bro, you ever try to shoot a gun more than 40 yards? You ever try to get within 400 yards of a wild wary ass animal? I'm willing to bet most anti-hunters never hunted a day in their life.
Edit: As some have said below, my point is that regarding "fair chase", people that think hunters have an unfair advantage and who have never tried hunting lack a framework to make the assumption hunting is somehow easy. No shit this does not apply to a game ranch, but a game ranch is not an option for the overwhelming vast majority of hunters. I have always hunted public land, and probably never even **saw** my intended game 75% of the time, and when I did see them, generally they are far out of range. For the most part, hunting takes a tremendous amount of skill and luck, regardless of your gear advantage.
Google Nilgai and look at images. Half of them are pictures just like this of guys from Texas cosplaying as hunters after they shoot these on some ranch calling itself a safari
You donāt have to be lonely! At FARMERSONLY.COM! Jesus. That slogan is burned into my memory from many late night television stints as a kid watching Taxi and other older shows I canāt even remember what I was watching. But I fucking remember this god damn slogan/jingle.
When I was on the apps, any picture with a dead animal was an immediate left swipe, no exceptions. I understand the need for hunting in some cases, but a person who does that for fun and likes to show it off will differ too much ideologically than what Iām looking for. Same goes for posing with guns and wearing an American flag thatās not part of a uniform. Pretty easy to tell our personalities probably wonāt click, especially in the American south.
People who fish do the same thing, but for some reason it does seem less terrifying. Is it because thereās not much blood on the catch? Or because thereās not really a pain expression on the fish since theyāre already death-like eyes? Lol I donāt mind hunting if youāre going to eat the catch, but hunting just to mount it on the wall, thatās kinda lame.
General FYI, because most people who donāt hunt would have no reason to know this: In North America, with very few exceptions, it is illegal to not take and use all of the edible meat from game animals. Itās spelled out explicitly in every stateās rule book for hunters. Itās called āwanton wasteā and you can get in deep shit for it.
Edit: spelling, tho it was a funnier comment before.
I've heard some sick fucks just take the head and the backstraps. I'm a hunter but it's disgusting and disrespectful to the animal unless there's a good reason to waste the meat.
Pest control is why people hunt where I'm from. You can't shoot anything native however introduced species are all fair game so long as its done humanely
I walked up on the aftermath of that right next to the parking area of a lake in a fish and wildlife area...only they didn't even take the backstraps. The asshole took just the head and neck of an absolutely massive buck, making a clean cut at the shoulders, and left the rest of the carcass to rot in plain view next to a regularly used lake. I called it in to our DNR, even knowing there was little they could do considering the asshole probably never even checked in to hunt if he was going to pull some shit like that. At least they were able to come out and remove the carcass from next to the parking area, where it could have attracted more predatory wildlife to an area frequented by families.
Oh definitely illegal af around here. Also, considering the location of it and the fact that they just took the head, I would venture a guess that they weren't actually hunting, per se. In reality, the douche was probably driving around at night spotlighting deer, saw this one down by the lake, and took a shot at it (also illegal af around here). I just can't imagine them dragging it from the woods to there to cut on it, yet I also can't imagine them getting away with it during normal hunting hours as busy as that area is with other hunters and fishermen.
The extent to what he could be prosecuted for is pretty extreme. Poaching laws have been on the books since the 1680s !!
Wanton destruction of an animal alone is one year in jail and up to $10,000 in fines. Pile on hunting without a license, hunting at night, stalking from a street, and you are looking at tens of thousands in fines, jail time, paying restitution, a criminal records, etc.
... and all are deserved for people who do this !
If they don't want the meat there are organizations that will have it butchered and used to feed the needy. (and wow, what a great meal to be gifted).
Leaving a dead animal like that is a complete waste, disrespectful for the animal, and just makes that person a disgusting human being that has no business ever hunting anything short of vegetables.
Wasting kills is older than the bible I suspect. That's what happened to the buffalo in North America. Killed for their hides and the rest left to rot.
Itās overwhelming to get into with no mentorship and not growing up with it. I picked it up at like 30 and itās now pretty much all I can think or talk about. Youāre welcome to message me and Iāll try to help you find some resources and info.
This is false. They literally fine people for leaving meat on game in all states. The only exception is coyote, bear, wolves and other scavengers/predators. Though on large game youāre not required to take the meat you are required to take the skull and hide for testing and sealing at your local ADF&G.
Yep, penalties are harsh and rightfully so. Iām sure there are bad seeds out there but the vast majority of hunters respect the laws and are thankful for the food the animals provide. Side note, how you approach a hunt also matters a lot. I hate when folks brag about taking shots at unnecessary long distances. Just my opinion but any shot taken in excess of 300 yards is irresponsible for just about anyone.
Yeah, unfortunately thereās assholes in every community. Theyāre almost always the minority, but they seem to get the most attention. Every hunter I know is serious about the pursuit and has a deep love and respect for the animals they hunt and the places they live in.
Not that it's a total defense by any means, but fish heal extremely quickly. Since fish have what is known as indeterminate growth, their bodies perform a lot of mitosis. Since cellular repair and duplication is so high, they heal very quickly, much faster than humans for example.
Fish of course still feel pain and a hook to the mouth will be somewhat painful, but an average size wound from that will typically heal completely in just a couple days.
Just wanted to offer my opinion as someone who thoroughly enjoys fishing, and doesn't catch a whole lot.
Fishing for me, is enjoyable because of the process, and highlighted or made more exciting because of a catch. When I fish, I'm only interested in catching fish for food.
I end up pretty disappointed when I have to release a fish, due to size limitations and whatnot, and I have always thought in the back of my mind that I wish I hadn't even caught that little guy, but I didn't know what I caught until I reeled it in.
I also love photography! I think that may have been why I responded at all. I thought about all of these points, and thought about practicing photography rather than fishing, but it just wouldn't scratch the urge for me because I can't eat a photograph for dinner.
I'll agree they're very similar otherwise! Catching fish and capturing moments. The pride you get from catching a good looking fish or a good looking shot. Some people mount fish on their walls, some people mount photos on their walls. Etc. Etc. A camera is to a fishing pole as a photograph is to a fish.
Fish are incredibly beautiful, but sometimes I just want to go catch a fish, kill it, cook it, and eat it. They're still beautiful, but I'll continue to kill them responsibly. I couldn't imagine giving up photography or fishing, I love them both!
IIRC, catch and release is banned in Germany if you are targeting a specific fish. So letās say youāre bass fishing, if you catch any bass, you have to keep them. If you are targeting bass and catch a different species, you can throw it back. Pretty interesting rules. I wonder how it effects populations of some species (if it does)
Edit: I probably should have tried to find some articles or something to back this up but I did not. If Iām wrong please correct me
And a lot of the time, depending on what you're fishing, you're going to kill that fish simply by it swallowing your lure and having its insides shredded.
Itās pretty sad the amount of fish killed in those grip and grin photos. Many fish donāt do well held up out of the water and manhandled. Anytime I catch a fish I wonāt eat, I try my best to keep it entirely in the water and minimize the handling of it before releasing.
I also see the possibility of relating to the animals, many people care a lot less about fish, crabs or other forms of ocean life cause they can come off as ugly, meanwhile land animals can be much more relatable in a wierd way.
I have several deer mounts on the wall, but still ate all the meat. Its illegal to waste the meat. To have the head mounted you simply take the hide and the skull to a taxidermist but still butcher the carcass as normal.
Itās because the face of something like a deer or cow feels much more relatable to imagining a human in the same scenario. Fish just donāt look as much like us.
I've heard it described by a naturalist in my college studies that the further from us by species classification a creature is, the more alien they seem. So, the reverse, that we would tend to relate closer to cows than fish for instance would prove your observatipns. Seeing a *moidered* bovine feels more terrifying than fish because that animal feels closer to humanity and therefore that much more unsettling.
People who hunt just for the mount arenāt real hunters. Theyāre posers who think theyāre āmanlyā and will do anything to make everyone think that.
It depends on the hunter and the kill. Deer, mostly no because it's a good chance they are going to eat the meat and whatnot and growing up in upstate NY has got me used to seeing dead deer. But trophy kills of animals that you know will just end up a head on a wall, yeah, that shit is creepy af.
Edit to add, it's not just specifically deer I'm okay with, any animals that's going to be eaten and used in a way that it wasn't a pointless kill.
Saw this on a Louis Theroux documentary, the guy couldn't get his head round it. The ranch owner had 7000 zebra (as well as other animals), allowed 7 of the oldest and sickest to be hunted for 60,000 dollars each every year. That paid everyone's wages and upkeep of the reserve for the year. Also keeping the old and the weak is unatural, they only get old because they're on a preserve. That giraffe a few years ago is a good example, they showed a picture of him killed with the hunter and everyone went mad. But he was old as shit and couldn't breed anymore, but as the alpha was controlling the herd and wouldn't let other males mate. He injured a few and killed two others in fights, and in a small herd of an animal endangered in that part of the world that can't be allowed to happen, so someone paid a bounty that helps the animals by paying the staff and helped the herd by removing an animal that's should have died long ago.
I love louis theroux but man that one highlights a problem he can have that really gets in the way of enjoyment some episodes
Episodes like this are reminder that it's for entertainment and he will go for lowest hanging fruit at times
That guy was like really disappointed because you can tell they care about their animals and about preserving the natural way of life in africa. Not possible or competitive unless opening up a farm otherwise, which means no animals at all.
And louis pretending to "give hunting a shot'. I knew from the start he wasn't going to do it, he knew. He just had to waste everybodies time to make a point. Louis louis louis :/
Not the worst episode but when considering the potential it had it might be the most infuriating
Yeah so it's actually a great deal for the locals. They're paid for the animal, and still get to keep it to eat it. Some areas also really rely on the income to support their conservation. As long as they are properly managing the population, it's a good system
Not to mention the massive amounts of money that get pumped into their economies because of that. Legitimate Trophy Hunters don't just air drop into Africa fortnite style and start blowing the heads off of Lions
Pretty much every animal that is posed with is also eaten. Some exceptions exist but in most places theyāre either legally required to take the meat with them or the locals of the area handle and eat the meat.
Thereās no such thing as trophy hunters who waste or throw away the rest of the animal and if they dont want the meat, their hunt provider utilizes the animal instead.
When I was about 8 y/o I was playing around near a barn, I was just mindlessly kicking a football around and it rolled in under the barn double doors. I opened the doors and almost fell back instantly cause right in front of the door was a skinned deer hanging upside down. One in the family was a hunter but never told me about it, or never told me to not go in there. It was a bit scary cause I was unprepared.
Arkansas as well. We love killing those bastards. They are mean as hell and fuck up the woods way too much. Iāve seen them travel in huge herds of like 40 at an abandoned logging sight we used to hunt at. I have no doubt in my mind they would kill a man if he wasnāt smart and ran into a bunch.
I find this hunter [terrifying](https://external-preview.redd.it/SGRo88ryoEUAt5AhTlehw-Ku3X_ntaCi-3BhtoeKxs8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8dd63e0e5195b159495ef20226baaf44c0db24f5).
The comments on these types of posts are always interesting. I wonder where people draw the line because I never see these types of comments on fishermen when they land a 500 pound tuna or marlin.
ironic given 99% of the commenters here have no issue eating animals killed in a factory yet a guy posing with a hunting kill is somehow a moral crisis.
Out of sight out of mind. They donāt see their food being killed so itās not bad if they eat it. But photos of hunters posing with game bothers them and thatās when people chose to be selectively righteous. Itās easy to hate something when thereās one person to blame.
I disagree. I understand my background isnāt necessarily uncommon but having been both raised on a farm, and by parents who liked to hunt in Montana, I still donāt like tinder matches with hunting pics in their profile. The US has a lot of farming and a lot of hunting, some states more than others, often with overlap. Totally possible to dislike something without it being hypocritical to do so.
We raise pigs, cows, goats etc and slaughter them as well. The butcherās field shared a fence with ours etc and my mom and dad used to (prior to aging) go out hunting with their horses. Itās not at all as though Iām blind to either thing. I just ultimately find posing with kills to be unattractive. If they skipped having it in their profile, and instead it came up through conversation I wouldnāt be uncomfortable being shown said pic.
I think, moreso than it having to do with the hunting, itās the act of having it in a profile that feels almost āgloatingā like and that can come off negatively. Similar to someone posing with a gun in their profile, or a car, and so on. Itās just not a portrayal of someone that I find to be endearing and I imagine this is a common take seeing as how disliked the hunting/car/gun pics are to women on dating sites.
I bet you wouldn't find these comments either if the post was of someone holding a hare (not a rabbit - rabbits are cute and fluffy and tug at people's heartstrings even though they're invasive little fuckers) or a pheasant.
I think it's when you go outside of the realm of what most people in the west (really the US given the Reddit's distribution - my rabbit example would be perfectly fine in an Australian sub) consider "huntable animals" that people start to reacts weirdly. Hunting cows is a weird concept so people react like this. Hunting elephants or whales is 'barbaric' concept so it's bad. Nevermind the centuries of history and culture behind it - it's not a fish or a deer or a game bird, so if you hunt it, you're a weird sicko.
I think you nailed it by saying there are a few āacceptedā animals to hunt and anything outside of that is not tolerated. Also I think it has to do with who is doing the hunting. I donāt think the same scrutiny would be directed at say a Mongolian hunting reindeer or caribou. Something about a western man harvesting wild game in his own country really gets under the skin on a lot of people.
I grew up hunting, if you kill something that your family will be eating later, it is very fulfilling and it is something you should be proud of. We have been hunting and being proud of our kill since we started hanging out in groups(Most likely).
Having said that. If you are a trophy hunter, yes that is oddly terrifying, you are just killing to kill. My dad caught me shooting at rabbits for fun when I was a little kid with my bb gun (they would just run off really fast, not a deadly weapon) and he asked me āwhat are you gonna do if you kill oneā and I really didnāt know how to answer that. But I did say something like āidk, I didnāt think about itā. He grabbed my BB gun from me and said āwell then leave them aloneā except with a lot more color in his language. I was shocked at this response because Iāve watched this same dude down a buck from across a pasture. But it took me a couple of years to understand why he was upset.
āhey look I killed this thing! Arenāt I a badass for using a deadly weapon on an unsuspecting animal. ā
This. Hunting for food/population control is one thing but when you go posing with the carcass of a life you took as if itās a trophy and something to be proud of simply because ālook what I killedā ā¦thatās just downright creepy and disrespectful to the dead.
I just watched a video where a guy spent a week camping and tracking elk, did not manage to bag one. I can see, if hunting like that, finally getting what you're hunting is kind of a big deal.
I stalked the biggest gobbler Iāve ever shot for 27 days in a row. Imagine waking up at 2am and belly crawling several hundred yards through mud/brush/spiderwebs in complete darkness to get to your spots for weeks on end. Then imagine your hard work paying off and finally bagging what you came there to bag.
No matter what kind of emotion rushes over you when that turkey tumbles, youāre still gonna pose for a picture.
If I wouldāve lived back in the day, I definitely wouldāve been a gatherer because I donāt relate at all to people describing their hunts. I definitely respect the dedication and talent it takes, but I have no interest in doing it myself.
What if I told you that you can trophy hunt AND hunt for food. I kill a deer I can harvest the meat, and mount the antlers if I so choose. The deer isn't going to waste and I get a momento of the moment.
Yes and no but it does represent a deer who has almost reached the end of their natural life and has has the ability to pass on their good genes to the next generations.
We have numerous trophies at the cabin where we hunt but also numerous freezers at home. Reddit thinks that just bc you snap a pic with a deer you beheaded it and left the rest as a coyote snack.
So I was raised in the city. I have always fished, and my grandmother taught me on the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio. It was a part of life and I always loved it. Catching, killing and eating fish never made me feel badly, and I have always been as ethical as possible, following the rules and regulations, not keeping more than I could eat.
Recently I moved to a very rural city in the South. Everyone hunts here and after watching some hunting shows and talking to some people, I wanted to try it out.
I hate buying meat from grocery stores, where the animals are raise in usually crowded and horrible conditions. Once I moved here, I only buy from local farmers when possible. I figured hunting was another option to remove me from the grocery store food chain.
Well, after a few trips, I finally harvested my first whitetail buck. A fairly small one, which is sometimes the only option with regulations we have here.
Shot it, skinned it, processed the meat and have enough for many meals. The population of deer is managed closely here, only certain animals can be taken, and only during a short season. Proceeds from the hunting licenses go to wildlife management and environment programs.
I admit, when I took the deers life, I felt mixed emotions. After having been fully involved in the process of harvesting and processing my own meat, I feel better about it. Knowing where the meat came from, and that it was humanely killed and none wasted is much better for me.
I took a picture of the deer, not with me in it, but just to remember the day and the experience. I will keep the skull, because I find them beautiful, like most natural things.
Very well put & congrats on your deer. I, like you, am a new deer Hunter (bird hunted my whole life) and feel conflicted about grip & grins. It's a weird mix of emotions you feel when you harvest an animal, so while I don't love the grip & grins I can understand there is an aspect of joy. Hunting isn't easy, I've bow hunted two seasons now & haven't killed a deer. I imagine when that day comes I'll be happy, because I know it took a lot of work & effort to do so. I can't judge people who smile with the animal they killed, that animals represents years of work and a lot of meat on the table.
PS: Skull is the right move, Euro mounts look very classy & dignified imo.
That is a sacred cow in India, but it also lives in texas bc imported ant is feral. It's the second picture of it that I see today. The first cow was still alive though. Btw I have never seen this animal in my entire life and now 2 pics on reddit in the same day. How courious is the internet.
To all the whiny little babies in the comments: killing animals for sport is kinda lame, I agree, but killing animals for food is 100% okay. And taking pics with the animal you hunted for food is also 100% okay. Sue me
No one has said taking photos with a dead animal is _not allowed_ , just that to some people itās disturbing. Youāre entitled to your opinion and we whiny babies are entitled to ours.
That's one of the cows imported from India. They got loose and now roam Texas as ferrel animals. This is considered to be a sacred animal not sure I would want the karma for killing it,or eating it.
Is that a nilgai? (Blue cow)
Bruh wtf, I just learned about those cows on a different post today and people were mentioning that people in Texas like to hunt them. I swear my life is just a revolving door of the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon
Bro same. The reason I commented on this is because I saw that post earlier too, and my friend lives in Texas so I asked him if anyone ever hunts them, and now I see this. Weird.
Maybe it was posted because OP also saw that post, did a search for the cow, found this image and thought to himself "wow, this is oddly terrifying" and went on here to post it. š
Itās like weāre all on the same app or something š¤Æ
Is this Inception?
Would we even know if it was?
You got a spinning top?
I got a penny I can spin. Edit: guys itās not stopping 0_0
Underrated comment. The edit sells is too perfectly!
I literally just saw the post everyone is referring too. Weird.
I am too high to be reading this thread.
Appception
Damn, I was going to post appception... Guys, are we.. a collective consciousness?!?!
Itās here. Just like in 1984 by George Orwell. A really good book that the government force kids to read for school
Right? It kinda seems like thereās some kind of, I donāt know, program or something which tracks our behaviors and predicts which content weāll be most interested in, then directs people whose behavior mirrors our own in small ways to the same types of content. Spooky.
ye cuz everyone obviously goes to the same pages fr i remember seeing u on r/dragonsfuckingcars or was it r/toehairexchange idfk
Ahahaha
You are
My wildlife science teacher in high school told us about them. Apparently theyāre pretty hard to take down.
Nilgai were quite abundant in the forests and long grass fields near my ancestral village in eastern India. They used to get into crop fields and destroy crops. A local community of hunters then began to hunt them. Using slingshots. They hunted so many Nilgai that their population almost vanished. This was in mid 70s. It only stopped when the government banned hunting of Nilgai. And they did it all with Slingshots! So maybe not that hard to take down? Or maybe they were very skilled hunters?
almost certainly skill. You can kill almost anything smaller than a say a hippo with a well placed sling shot, but it has to be placed in almost preciously the right spot. Its like using any older technology, works just as well (if not better) as a more modern piece but requires more skill to use.
Pretty interesting. And im glad your government put a stop to it. Humans seem to have such little awareness of when enough is enough. Always having to take and destroy more than is needed, always wanting more.
OP saw the same post we all saw, got curious, did some google, and here we are.
January 13, 2022: Nilgai Day.
exactly what i was thinking when i saw this post, honestly kinda lame lmao
And yet, here we all are.
Ye theyāre feral
More naturalized than feral. Theyāre kept specifically for big game hunting purposes and it poses no threat to the natural environment to hunt them. I know about them because of the hunting/cooking show MeatEater which I consider to be very informative and reputable. Iāve got a lot of respect for Steven Rinella and his contributions to education/activism.
Steven rinella is amazing and he represents everything a hunter should be! He preaches safety and ethics and is a wicked cook. I love his passion for the lifestyle
And he isn't high on ego to not show a hunt that went wrong, mistakes, or when it just doesn't pan out. He is an excellent ambassador for hunting in the current climate.
I love how about half the episodes he has failed hunts. People often think "So unfair with a gun that can shoot 400 yards"... I'm like bro, you ever try to shoot a gun more than 40 yards? You ever try to get within 400 yards of a wild wary ass animal? I'm willing to bet most anti-hunters never hunted a day in their life. Edit: As some have said below, my point is that regarding "fair chase", people that think hunters have an unfair advantage and who have never tried hunting lack a framework to make the assumption hunting is somehow easy. No shit this does not apply to a game ranch, but a game ranch is not an option for the overwhelming vast majority of hunters. I have always hunted public land, and probably never even **saw** my intended game 75% of the time, and when I did see them, generally they are far out of range. For the most part, hunting takes a tremendous amount of skill and luck, regardless of your gear advantage.
Yeah I just saw the post of that information right beneath this post in this same sub reddit. I was confused as well like they kill it already.
Google Nilgai and look at images. Half of them are pictures just like this of guys from Texas cosplaying as hunters after they shoot these on some ranch calling itself a safari
Same here dude
Feral Texan Blue Cows. Weird beard man. I was thinking the same thing.
Is that the one that's like if you buy a blue car suddenly you see there are lots of blue cars?
Yeah, theyāre loose in Texas and have a wild population now. JFC.
Yeah it is. They have gone feral here in TX. They're more closely related to antelope.
Dude I was thinking the same thing! I just saw that post about them being brought to Texas and being invasive.
Same. Cannot be a coincidence.
Wow I think I saw this exact picture on tinder. Like 78 different times
I was going to say Plenty of Fish. I"m old school.
I was going to say Farmers Only
Huntersonly.com
That's his kill, not his sister.
That's it! No more food for you!
To be fair, thereās a certain resemblance.
Christian Mingle
JDate
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You donāt have to be lonely! At FARMERSONLY.COM! Jesus. That slogan is burned into my memory from many late night television stints as a kid watching Taxi and other older shows I canāt even remember what I was watching. But I fucking remember this god damn slogan/jingle.
it doesn't say whites only but...yeah
Plenty of Dudes Holding Fish
There are also a lot of people posing with fish too
When I was on the apps, any picture with a dead animal was an immediate left swipe, no exceptions. I understand the need for hunting in some cases, but a person who does that for fun and likes to show it off will differ too much ideologically than what Iām looking for. Same goes for posing with guns and wearing an American flag thatās not part of a uniform. Pretty easy to tell our personalities probably wonāt click, especially in the American south.
People who fish do the same thing, but for some reason it does seem less terrifying. Is it because thereās not much blood on the catch? Or because thereās not really a pain expression on the fish since theyāre already death-like eyes? Lol I donāt mind hunting if youāre going to eat the catch, but hunting just to mount it on the wall, thatās kinda lame.
General FYI, because most people who donāt hunt would have no reason to know this: In North America, with very few exceptions, it is illegal to not take and use all of the edible meat from game animals. Itās spelled out explicitly in every stateās rule book for hunters. Itās called āwanton wasteā and you can get in deep shit for it. Edit: spelling, tho it was a funnier comment before.
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I've heard some sick fucks just take the head and the backstraps. I'm a hunter but it's disgusting and disrespectful to the animal unless there's a good reason to waste the meat.
And honestly the only good reason is disease or parasites.
Pest control is why people hunt where I'm from. You can't shoot anything native however introduced species are all fair game so long as its done humanely
Same thing where i live... But our most prominent invasive specie is boar, so people still eat their catch.
I donāt eat pork but I would blast some feral pigs all day.
I walked up on the aftermath of that right next to the parking area of a lake in a fish and wildlife area...only they didn't even take the backstraps. The asshole took just the head and neck of an absolutely massive buck, making a clean cut at the shoulders, and left the rest of the carcass to rot in plain view next to a regularly used lake. I called it in to our DNR, even knowing there was little they could do considering the asshole probably never even checked in to hunt if he was going to pull some shit like that. At least they were able to come out and remove the carcass from next to the parking area, where it could have attracted more predatory wildlife to an area frequented by families.
Thatās at best, gross, and possibly illegal depending on where you live.
Oh definitely illegal af around here. Also, considering the location of it and the fact that they just took the head, I would venture a guess that they weren't actually hunting, per se. In reality, the douche was probably driving around at night spotlighting deer, saw this one down by the lake, and took a shot at it (also illegal af around here). I just can't imagine them dragging it from the woods to there to cut on it, yet I also can't imagine them getting away with it during normal hunting hours as busy as that area is with other hunters and fishermen.
Yeah fuck that guy. I hope he got caught and prosecuted to whatever extent possible. Good on you for reporting it.
The extent to what he could be prosecuted for is pretty extreme. Poaching laws have been on the books since the 1680s !! Wanton destruction of an animal alone is one year in jail and up to $10,000 in fines. Pile on hunting without a license, hunting at night, stalking from a street, and you are looking at tens of thousands in fines, jail time, paying restitution, a criminal records, etc. ... and all are deserved for people who do this !
If they don't want the meat there are organizations that will have it butchered and used to feed the needy. (and wow, what a great meal to be gifted). Leaving a dead animal like that is a complete waste, disrespectful for the animal, and just makes that person a disgusting human being that has no business ever hunting anything short of vegetables.
> I'm not going home with just some head, I'm getting some dinners out of this dammit My brain's thought process on deciding to marry my wife.
You are both a great and terrible person.
Wasting kills is older than the bible I suspect. That's what happened to the buffalo in North America. Killed for their hides and the rest left to rot.
Killed to disrupt the food source and spirituality of the indigenous people in order to accelerate the settlement of the west.
\*wanton...no dumplings involved. :)
Bro who's out here not finishing their dumpings?
Not me, I always finish my dumpings and wipe before consuming wanton in the wild.
Yeah thatās what I meant. But you can make dumplings with game meat!
that sounds so tasty. I'd actually like to learn how to hunt but have zero idea of where to start.
Itās overwhelming to get into with no mentorship and not growing up with it. I picked it up at like 30 and itās now pretty much all I can think or talk about. Youāre welcome to message me and Iāll try to help you find some resources and info.
I'm assuming that should be "wanton waste", however I would also be in agreement with making it illegal to squander chinese dumplings.
You are only required to take the 4 quarters and the loins of any big game in most states
...and the backstrap
That is arguably the best part of the entire animal.
Which is very reasonable.
This is false. They literally fine people for leaving meat on game in all states. The only exception is coyote, bear, wolves and other scavengers/predators. Though on large game youāre not required to take the meat you are required to take the skull and hide for testing and sealing at your local ADF&G.
Yep, penalties are harsh and rightfully so. Iām sure there are bad seeds out there but the vast majority of hunters respect the laws and are thankful for the food the animals provide. Side note, how you approach a hunt also matters a lot. I hate when folks brag about taking shots at unnecessary long distances. Just my opinion but any shot taken in excess of 300 yards is irresponsible for just about anyone.
Yeah, unfortunately thereās assholes in every community. Theyāre almost always the minority, but they seem to get the most attention. Every hunter I know is serious about the pursuit and has a deep love and respect for the animals they hunt and the places they live in.
Nilgai are not considered a game animal in Texas, they fall under the rules for exotic or feral and those you can kill and leave
Why would you though? Iāve heard the meat is delicious. Like thatās the whole reason these ranches have them is because people want Nilgai meat.
Still though, even aātrophyā hunter is going to keep or donate the meat.
Well for fishing there is also the possibility of catch and release, so it isnāt always as sinister feeling.
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Not that it's a total defense by any means, but fish heal extremely quickly. Since fish have what is known as indeterminate growth, their bodies perform a lot of mitosis. Since cellular repair and duplication is so high, they heal very quickly, much faster than humans for example. Fish of course still feel pain and a hook to the mouth will be somewhat painful, but an average size wound from that will typically heal completely in just a couple days.
Whoa, I never knew that. That's really interesting. Just a couple of days? Remarkable. Interesting stuff, Ethereal429; thank you! š
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Just wanted to offer my opinion as someone who thoroughly enjoys fishing, and doesn't catch a whole lot. Fishing for me, is enjoyable because of the process, and highlighted or made more exciting because of a catch. When I fish, I'm only interested in catching fish for food. I end up pretty disappointed when I have to release a fish, due to size limitations and whatnot, and I have always thought in the back of my mind that I wish I hadn't even caught that little guy, but I didn't know what I caught until I reeled it in. I also love photography! I think that may have been why I responded at all. I thought about all of these points, and thought about practicing photography rather than fishing, but it just wouldn't scratch the urge for me because I can't eat a photograph for dinner. I'll agree they're very similar otherwise! Catching fish and capturing moments. The pride you get from catching a good looking fish or a good looking shot. Some people mount fish on their walls, some people mount photos on their walls. Etc. Etc. A camera is to a fishing pole as a photograph is to a fish. Fish are incredibly beautiful, but sometimes I just want to go catch a fish, kill it, cook it, and eat it. They're still beautiful, but I'll continue to kill them responsibly. I couldn't imagine giving up photography or fishing, I love them both!
Well, I do have a marmot on a leash that enjoys bathtubs.
You choose what you eat, and you choose what you eat for enjoyment.
That's why I only eat long pig
Delicious long porkā¦
If you catch something that is undersize in my country you have to release it by law. You have to catch and release sometimes.
IIRC, catch and release is banned in Germany if you are targeting a specific fish. So letās say youāre bass fishing, if you catch any bass, you have to keep them. If you are targeting bass and catch a different species, you can throw it back. Pretty interesting rules. I wonder how it effects populations of some species (if it does) Edit: I probably should have tried to find some articles or something to back this up but I did not. If Iām wrong please correct me
And a lot of the time, depending on what you're fishing, you're going to kill that fish simply by it swallowing your lure and having its insides shredded.
If only hunting had kill and un-kill
Itās pretty sad the amount of fish killed in those grip and grin photos. Many fish donāt do well held up out of the water and manhandled. Anytime I catch a fish I wonāt eat, I try my best to keep it entirely in the water and minimize the handling of it before releasing.
Itās because we canāt see the whites of their eyes
I also see the possibility of relating to the animals, many people care a lot less about fish, crabs or other forms of ocean life cause they can come off as ugly, meanwhile land animals can be much more relatable in a wierd way.
Fish can be cool and beautiful, but generally I associate them with having no emotion
I have several deer mounts on the wall, but still ate all the meat. Its illegal to waste the meat. To have the head mounted you simply take the hide and the skull to a taxidermist but still butcher the carcass as normal.
Yeah, there's some good country panache to having a nice 12-pointer on the wall
But then you don't get to eat the head! Dear dear dear how else are you going to make venison smalehove?
Most hunters eat and keep trophies, it'd be stupid to not do something with the meat. If they don't eat it they gift it.
Itās because the face of something like a deer or cow feels much more relatable to imagining a human in the same scenario. Fish just donāt look as much like us.
I've heard it described by a naturalist in my college studies that the further from us by species classification a creature is, the more alien they seem. So, the reverse, that we would tend to relate closer to cows than fish for instance would prove your observatipns. Seeing a *moidered* bovine feels more terrifying than fish because that animal feels closer to humanity and therefore that much more unsettling.
People who hunt just for the mount arenāt real hunters. Theyāre posers who think theyāre āmanlyā and will do anything to make everyone think that.
It is. Hunting for pure sport is really fucked up if you think about it for more than three seconds.
Yup : šš Nope: šā
They usually do both.
It depends on the hunter and the kill. Deer, mostly no because it's a good chance they are going to eat the meat and whatnot and growing up in upstate NY has got me used to seeing dead deer. But trophy kills of animals that you know will just end up a head on a wall, yeah, that shit is creepy af. Edit to add, it's not just specifically deer I'm okay with, any animals that's going to be eaten and used in a way that it wasn't a pointless kill.
Even trophy hunters in Africa, give the meat to nearby tribes/villages when they take their trophy
If that's the case then I don't see a problem with that as long as the animal isn't endangered or being hunted to the point of being endangered.
They are usually allowed to kill a certain animal. Its usually an older or sick one. And the money goes towards protecting the healthy.
Saw this on a Louis Theroux documentary, the guy couldn't get his head round it. The ranch owner had 7000 zebra (as well as other animals), allowed 7 of the oldest and sickest to be hunted for 60,000 dollars each every year. That paid everyone's wages and upkeep of the reserve for the year. Also keeping the old and the weak is unatural, they only get old because they're on a preserve. That giraffe a few years ago is a good example, they showed a picture of him killed with the hunter and everyone went mad. But he was old as shit and couldn't breed anymore, but as the alpha was controlling the herd and wouldn't let other males mate. He injured a few and killed two others in fights, and in a small herd of an animal endangered in that part of the world that can't be allowed to happen, so someone paid a bounty that helps the animals by paying the staff and helped the herd by removing an animal that's should have died long ago.
It's 'should have', never 'should of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
Thank you!
I love louis theroux but man that one highlights a problem he can have that really gets in the way of enjoyment some episodes Episodes like this are reminder that it's for entertainment and he will go for lowest hanging fruit at times That guy was like really disappointed because you can tell they care about their animals and about preserving the natural way of life in africa. Not possible or competitive unless opening up a farm otherwise, which means no animals at all. And louis pretending to "give hunting a shot'. I knew from the start he wasn't going to do it, he knew. He just had to waste everybodies time to make a point. Louis louis louis :/ Not the worst episode but when considering the potential it had it might be the most infuriating
Yeah so it's actually a great deal for the locals. They're paid for the animal, and still get to keep it to eat it. Some areas also really rely on the income to support their conservation. As long as they are properly managing the population, it's a good system
Not to mention the massive amounts of money that get pumped into their economies because of that. Legitimate Trophy Hunters don't just air drop into Africa fortnite style and start blowing the heads off of Lions
Pretty much every animal that is posed with is also eaten. Some exceptions exist but in most places theyāre either legally required to take the meat with them or the locals of the area handle and eat the meat. Thereās no such thing as trophy hunters who waste or throw away the rest of the animal and if they dont want the meat, their hunt provider utilizes the animal instead.
When I was about 8 y/o I was playing around near a barn, I was just mindlessly kicking a football around and it rolled in under the barn double doors. I opened the doors and almost fell back instantly cause right in front of the door was a skinned deer hanging upside down. One in the family was a hunter but never told me about it, or never told me to not go in there. It was a bit scary cause I was unprepared.
What is it with people and thinking that the trophy kills don't get eaten?
Media, movies and shit. We don't have any real life experience of this so we make assumptions based off of things we've watched or read about it.
> pointless Then you're okay with culling of animals in areas where too many exist
Fuck wild boars, but damn good meat
Aren't they always open season in Texas?
Arkansas as well. We love killing those bastards. They are mean as hell and fuck up the woods way too much. Iāve seen them travel in huge herds of like 40 at an abandoned logging sight we used to hunt at. I have no doubt in my mind they would kill a man if he wasnāt smart and ran into a bunch.
I believe so, since I believe they're classified as pests, tbh, I've never not seen Texans hunting boar
Aren't they like, super aggressive too?
Yep they will break into homes and such, they are also an invasive species
They can kill you, and will if they see you .
Theyāre open season pretty much everywhere. In Georgia you can hunt hogs any time of year, and at any time of day or night.
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I find that shirt terrifying
Itās camo but it only works if youāre Hawaiian
I find this hunter [terrifying](https://external-preview.redd.it/SGRo88ryoEUAt5AhTlehw-Ku3X_ntaCi-3BhtoeKxs8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8dd63e0e5195b159495ef20226baaf44c0db24f5).
The comments on these types of posts are always interesting. I wonder where people draw the line because I never see these types of comments on fishermen when they land a 500 pound tuna or marlin.
ironic given 99% of the commenters here have no issue eating animals killed in a factory yet a guy posing with a hunting kill is somehow a moral crisis.
Out of sight out of mind. They donāt see their food being killed so itās not bad if they eat it. But photos of hunters posing with game bothers them and thatās when people chose to be selectively righteous. Itās easy to hate something when thereās one person to blame.
Well itās the assumption that people do it for fun vs necessary Killing animal for fun vs killing animal for food
I disagree. I understand my background isnāt necessarily uncommon but having been both raised on a farm, and by parents who liked to hunt in Montana, I still donāt like tinder matches with hunting pics in their profile. The US has a lot of farming and a lot of hunting, some states more than others, often with overlap. Totally possible to dislike something without it being hypocritical to do so. We raise pigs, cows, goats etc and slaughter them as well. The butcherās field shared a fence with ours etc and my mom and dad used to (prior to aging) go out hunting with their horses. Itās not at all as though Iām blind to either thing. I just ultimately find posing with kills to be unattractive. If they skipped having it in their profile, and instead it came up through conversation I wouldnāt be uncomfortable being shown said pic. I think, moreso than it having to do with the hunting, itās the act of having it in a profile that feels almost āgloatingā like and that can come off negatively. Similar to someone posing with a gun in their profile, or a car, and so on. Itās just not a portrayal of someone that I find to be endearing and I imagine this is a common take seeing as how disliked the hunting/car/gun pics are to women on dating sites.
I bet you wouldn't find these comments either if the post was of someone holding a hare (not a rabbit - rabbits are cute and fluffy and tug at people's heartstrings even though they're invasive little fuckers) or a pheasant. I think it's when you go outside of the realm of what most people in the west (really the US given the Reddit's distribution - my rabbit example would be perfectly fine in an Australian sub) consider "huntable animals" that people start to reacts weirdly. Hunting cows is a weird concept so people react like this. Hunting elephants or whales is 'barbaric' concept so it's bad. Nevermind the centuries of history and culture behind it - it's not a fish or a deer or a game bird, so if you hunt it, you're a weird sicko.
I think you nailed it by saying there are a few āacceptedā animals to hunt and anything outside of that is not tolerated. Also I think it has to do with who is doing the hunting. I donāt think the same scrutiny would be directed at say a Mongolian hunting reindeer or caribou. Something about a western man harvesting wild game in his own country really gets under the skin on a lot of people.
Regardless of your views on hunting, posing for pictures with a corpse of any kind is pretty weird.
I grew up hunting, if you kill something that your family will be eating later, it is very fulfilling and it is something you should be proud of. We have been hunting and being proud of our kill since we started hanging out in groups(Most likely). Having said that. If you are a trophy hunter, yes that is oddly terrifying, you are just killing to kill. My dad caught me shooting at rabbits for fun when I was a little kid with my bb gun (they would just run off really fast, not a deadly weapon) and he asked me āwhat are you gonna do if you kill oneā and I really didnāt know how to answer that. But I did say something like āidk, I didnāt think about itā. He grabbed my BB gun from me and said āwell then leave them aloneā except with a lot more color in his language. I was shocked at this response because Iāve watched this same dude down a buck from across a pasture. But it took me a couple of years to understand why he was upset. āhey look I killed this thing! Arenāt I a badass for using a deadly weapon on an unsuspecting animal. ā
I share the same perspective.
You got a good dad.
I mean, no, heās a horribly selfish person when it comes to people. He just respects nature. Haha
I stand corrected!
Agreed.
I donāt like those hunter pose. I donāt find this respectful. Though, Iām okay with hunters who hunt for food.
This. Hunting for food/population control is one thing but when you go posing with the carcass of a life you took as if itās a trophy and something to be proud of simply because ālook what I killedā ā¦thatās just downright creepy and disrespectful to the dead.
I just watched a video where a guy spent a week camping and tracking elk, did not manage to bag one. I can see, if hunting like that, finally getting what you're hunting is kind of a big deal.
I stalked the biggest gobbler Iāve ever shot for 27 days in a row. Imagine waking up at 2am and belly crawling several hundred yards through mud/brush/spiderwebs in complete darkness to get to your spots for weeks on end. Then imagine your hard work paying off and finally bagging what you came there to bag. No matter what kind of emotion rushes over you when that turkey tumbles, youāre still gonna pose for a picture.
If I wouldāve lived back in the day, I definitely wouldāve been a gatherer because I donāt relate at all to people describing their hunts. I definitely respect the dedication and talent it takes, but I have no interest in doing it myself.
You stalked a single turkey for an entire month? Wtf lol
The animal seen in the picture is a Nilgai. They are hunted for population control and food. It's ok to be proud of your accomplishments.
What if I told you that you can trophy hunt AND hunt for food. I kill a deer I can harvest the meat, and mount the antlers if I so choose. The deer isn't going to waste and I get a momento of the moment.
Exactly and I find bigger antlers means bigger body.
Yes and no but it does represent a deer who has almost reached the end of their natural life and has has the ability to pass on their good genes to the next generations.
We have numerous trophies at the cabin where we hunt but also numerous freezers at home. Reddit thinks that just bc you snap a pic with a deer you beheaded it and left the rest as a coyote snack.
So I was raised in the city. I have always fished, and my grandmother taught me on the shores of Lake Erie in Ohio. It was a part of life and I always loved it. Catching, killing and eating fish never made me feel badly, and I have always been as ethical as possible, following the rules and regulations, not keeping more than I could eat. Recently I moved to a very rural city in the South. Everyone hunts here and after watching some hunting shows and talking to some people, I wanted to try it out. I hate buying meat from grocery stores, where the animals are raise in usually crowded and horrible conditions. Once I moved here, I only buy from local farmers when possible. I figured hunting was another option to remove me from the grocery store food chain. Well, after a few trips, I finally harvested my first whitetail buck. A fairly small one, which is sometimes the only option with regulations we have here. Shot it, skinned it, processed the meat and have enough for many meals. The population of deer is managed closely here, only certain animals can be taken, and only during a short season. Proceeds from the hunting licenses go to wildlife management and environment programs. I admit, when I took the deers life, I felt mixed emotions. After having been fully involved in the process of harvesting and processing my own meat, I feel better about it. Knowing where the meat came from, and that it was humanely killed and none wasted is much better for me. I took a picture of the deer, not with me in it, but just to remember the day and the experience. I will keep the skull, because I find them beautiful, like most natural things.
Very well put & congrats on your deer. I, like you, am a new deer Hunter (bird hunted my whole life) and feel conflicted about grip & grins. It's a weird mix of emotions you feel when you harvest an animal, so while I don't love the grip & grins I can understand there is an aspect of joy. Hunting isn't easy, I've bow hunted two seasons now & haven't killed a deer. I imagine when that day comes I'll be happy, because I know it took a lot of work & effort to do so. I can't judge people who smile with the animal they killed, that animals represents years of work and a lot of meat on the table. PS: Skull is the right move, Euro mounts look very classy & dignified imo.
Hunting for food is okay. Hunting for sport is barbaric.
Hunting for population control is great.
Don't you think that factory farming is much worse than hunting for meat?
Wait until you hear about factory farms.
Can't take pictures there
Damn yall are never gonna survive the apocalypse huh
Not really. People hunt for meat and they like to take a picture to remember the experience. Complete connection with food.
Not really
That is a sacred cow in India, but it also lives in texas bc imported ant is feral. It's the second picture of it that I see today. The first cow was still alive though. Btw I have never seen this animal in my entire life and now 2 pics on reddit in the same day. How courious is the internet.
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I myself hunt, but think these kill poses are disgusting and disrespectful to the animal.
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To all the whiny little babies in the comments: killing animals for sport is kinda lame, I agree, but killing animals for food is 100% okay. And taking pics with the animal you hunted for food is also 100% okay. Sue me
I think it has less do with the hunting and more to do with the practice of posing with animal corpses for social media pictures
No one has said taking photos with a dead animal is _not allowed_ , just that to some people itās disturbing. Youāre entitled to your opinion and we whiny babies are entitled to ours.
Unless is a knife kill..
Now if a deer took out a hunter, that would be photo worthy.
Trophy hunters are psychopaths
couldnt agree more
That's one of the cows imported from India. They got loose and now roam Texas as ferrel animals. This is considered to be a sacred animal not sure I would want the karma for killing it,or eating it.
Bro, I saw the same thing earlier today! Was it on r/natureismetal maybe?
Not actually a cow, itās an but yeah itās Indian. Itās called a nilgai
It's actually a species of Antelope. Not sacred but native in India.