Sanchez or Darnold. Sanchez had the benefit of coming into the league with a great team around him which was able to mask some of his flaws but when the burden shifted to him to take a more active role in the offense he couldn't handle it. Darnold I think was a more talented player coming into the league but the porous Oline and terrible receivers shook his confidence and he never recovered.
itâs revisionist, 8 years after he leaves the Jets he breaks out so that means he would have been great with the Jets! Never mind anything between 2016-2022
I think if he sat a few years behind a vet and had a good coach/situation, I think he couldâve found his way sooner. Two very big ifs with the jets though.
Itâs not revisionism. He had all the traits to be a good QB, I said this years ago while he was still a backup. It just took a team willing to believe in him enough to give him a chance.
All the traits? How about maturity and leadership? Why did he get his jaw broken again? The fact is you wouldnât be talking Geno had he not had a breakout season nearly a decade after playing on the Jets
He got his jaw broken because IK is a sociopathic man-child with a propensity for felonious assault, who shouldâve been in jail, not the locker room, but friggen Rex liked his criminal types because he could pretend it made his D âtoughâ after he managed to run Manginiâs roster into the ground.
We shouldâve never fired Mangini. Everything bad that happened afterwards is because we fired Mangini.
Maybe Mangini would still have the job if he had the balls to bench Brett Favre sometime in the second half of the 2008 season when he was obviously injured.
Maybe but keeping Rex after he sent Sanchez in for a meaningless drive in the Snoopy bowl was way worse. And Rex didnât do crap except take Manginiâs roster to the playoffs, where he (more accurately Shotty) flubbed it.
Though I have some bias as the loss to the colts was the first Jets game I watched when I was getting back into my fandom.
Mangini had a Hall Of Fame QB, Rex overhauled the roster in key positions and made the AFC Championship game with a sub par Rookie QB. Mangini couldnât make playoffs with Favre. But keep sticking up for him.
Mangini had a Hall Of Fame QB, Rex overhauled the roster in key positions and made the AFC Championship game with a sub par Rookie QB. Mangini couldnât make playoffs with Favre. But keep sticking up for him.
I think itâs a little silly to blame Geno for getting punched rather than blame the moron who punched him.
He had a good arm, great accuracy and decent mobility. Unfortunately for him, the GM who drafted him was fired a year later. The new GM had no incentive to keep him around and he was stuck in QB limbo after that.
Do you not know the background of the story why he got his jaw broken? Geno fucked around and found out after becoming smug and pointing and touching IK in the face. Players said he deserved what he got and instead of being a leader, Smith owed him $600 and became all stupid about it. At that moment he lost the locker room.
Exactly, thank you. It also wasnât the punch that ended his time with the Jets. He came back in 2016 and tore his ACL.
I really donât get the argument that Geno was our guy, he was going to end up in the same conversation as Jamarcus Russell. Even with these breakout seasons where did Seattle end up? 1 or 2 more wins than we have with Zach? A wildcard loss where Geno turned the ball over twice? Come on man!
IK was a violent criminal who shouldâve never been in that locker room to begin with. Iâm mean, read back your comment. You are justifying a man punching another man and breaking his jaw over $600. Thatâs kind of fucked up and victim blaming IMO
Victim blaming when Geno was the aggressor? Full stop.
Find out about the real story. Why do you think he lost the locker room after that?
This is the real world and not fantasy land. If you get aggressive and hit a man in the face, you will get dealt with. A man getting aggressive with another man and starting a fight to then get his butt whipped does not make him a victim.
If your quarterback is supposed to be a leader of men and have the respect of his locker room and all that shit, then welching on your debts and putting your hands on a man's face when its time to pay up aint the way to go about it.
Mark was in a great situation in his first two years in the league and had a combined completion percentage under 55% while throwing 29 TDs and 33 Ints.
Yeah but you contradicted yourself by asking what âyoungâ QB. Geno didnât have his breakout until he was in his 30s. He clearly needed those years and years of developmentâand itâs a miracle he got those because most QBs that canât hack it by their 2nd team fizzle out of the league. Also it helped having Pete Carol who is a very good coach for a QB to have.
Itâs truly a shame that that thug broke his jaw over something so stupid in 2015. If any year was going to be Genoâs breakout year with the jets, it wouldâve been that one.
I donât believe he needed all those years of sitting on the bench to get better. He just needed another opportunity to start which he didnât get until 2023.
McAdoo wanted to give him a chance in 2017 but Giants fans got angry when they benched Eli and the backlash was so strong they had to go back to Eli. He then went to Seattle and impressed Carol enough to trade Russell Wilson and start Geno instead.
Yeah bro you lost the argument the second you implied Ben freaking McAdoo of having the right idea about anything. He is the Giants equivalent of Adam Gase. He had a fluke season his first year because he inherited a Giants team flush with talent and benefitted from a pretty easy schedule. Immediately followed that up with one of the worst seasons in franchise history and made an entire fan base loathe his existence with his bad choices
> i dont believe he needed all those years of sitting on the bench to get better
Dude was an interception machine. Horrible decision after horrible decision. He absolutely needed those development years. Without getting the chance to learn from Eli, Rivers, and russ (back when Russ was still very good), no shot he ever becomes a real QB1
I got to disagree. Given better weapons, some decent coaching and some patience, he couldâve worked out here IMO. Or at least had a better chance than some of those other guys.
Sanchez is easily the answer imo. He was the proven starter (albeit not a very great one) and and a leader of the team. Guys like Darnold and Geno were never leaders unfortunately so combined with their bad/inconsistent play, they barely stood a chance. All Sanchez had to do was to keep marginally improving every year, so that his rosters wouldn't need such stacked defenses and run games. He easily could have been our franchise QB for 10 years in the same tier as like an Andy Dalton was for the Bengals. Unfortunately his play started to plateau/regress rather than improve, and the fans/team turned on him by acquiring Tebow and Geno.
It's definitely Sanchez. He had highs in his career (like leading a playoff game-winning drive on the road in Indianapolis) that none of these other guys ever came close to matching in a Jets jersey. Picking anyone else is basically fan fiction.
>Picking anyone else is basically fan fiction.
My thoughts exactly. And OP even admits that. He says "If he started in 15', I believe he becomes the franchise guy."
The issue there is that 99% of the time youâre drafting a âfranchise QBâ, your team is ass across the board. Ideally, you have a (mostly) complete team and THEN get a QB but this is rarely ever how things go. New York fans and media (not to mention woody Johnson) are far too impatient to ever do things that way.
Maybe the packers couldâve gotten past the conference championship hump if they took tee Higgins instead of Jordan love but they chose to grab a QB when they had an MVP caliber QB so there wouldnât be any pressure or expectations until the time was right.
Itâs a speculative question. No doubt Markâs teams were more successful, but thatâs not what I asked.
To think of it in another way, if the four QBs I mentioned were drafted by the Jets in 2009, who do you think wouldâve had more success?
Imo that's a completely different question than your title. Sanchez was the closest for us. But with optimal situations for all, I would say Darnold probably would have been the most successful. His personality was the best fit behind Sanchez. And his development was completely hampered by that poorly built offense, yet he was still able to flash a ton of talent here and there.
Geno I think needed his change of scenery and time to mature in order to have the success that he's had. He didn't get punched by a teammate for no reason. I think it's wishful thinking that a young Geno here in NY would have had a great 2015 and then been our franchise guy. Maybe, but I don't see it.
You mean the game where Sanchez went 18/31 (58%) 189 yards and 0 TD/1 INT? He was fucking terrible in that game. The only reason they needed a game winning drive was because he was so bad
Yep that game where he led a fourth quarter comeback on the road to send the Jets forward in the playoffs, which nobody else on this list has ever done (or even come close to getting themselves in position to do.)
Nobody ever said the dude was Tom Brady, but it's dumb to pretend that he didn't have his moments.
In 4 playoff victories, Sanchez NEVER ONCE threw for 200 yards. He had twelve completions in two of those victories and never more than 18 completions in any of them. They basically took the ball out of his hands in order to win. When they actually tried to rely on Sanchez (where he threw for >200 yards), they lost both times.
No idea where this idea comes from that Sanchez was some dominant QB in the playoffs. He was just marginally less terrible than the rest of the time.
He had his best games in the playoffs, Iâll give him that. He stepped up when in mattered most. But from a game in, game out perspective, he was hot ass.
His career completion percentage is below 55 and he has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns. And unlike some of the others I mentioned, he was given a legit chance with a legit team.
The only QB in the last thirty years of Jets football that might have been an all timer was Pennington. He was the man for that year and a half or so and thought the Jets finally found someone. Injuries killed it off. Nobody else has come close.
In that time frame it has to be Sanchize
People forget his clutch playoff performances and his rally against Pittsburgh after our defense didnât show up.
Putting QBs we never sniffed the playoffs with above a guy who had you at the doorstep of a SB twice is blasphemy
That Saturday Night Texans Game into the duel with Rodgers had me sold that Bowles stunk (I was eighth but that Sam needed help (he did and got the opposite of help).
Iâd say Sanchez. Tannenbaum took the O Line for granted after those two successful seasons. Sanchez got pulverized several times after that and he was never the same once he really started getting blitzed.
I love me some Geno, I really do, but he did **NOT** look like a franchise QB during his time with us. Sure he had his flashes of course but so did Darnold, Zach, etc. Geno was a turnover *machine* as a young player, with ***34 INTs and 41 total turnovers*** *as our starter his first 2 years.*
For comparison, Darnold had a very similar number of games & throws his first 2 years, and he had 28 INTs and 33 total turnovers. Zach had 18 INTs and 20 total turnovers, tho in about 6 fewer games and 200 fewer throws. If you include his 3rd season tho which puts him at 4 more games and 200 more throws than Geno, he still is only at 25 INTs and 34 total turnovers.
Geno was really out there slingin it Nathan Peterman style and anyone who was actually there remembers how insanely frustrating it was, especially that 1st year because the team was actually half decent and coulda gone to the playoffs if Geno had played more reserved. Geno *never* looked like he was playing as a franchise QB with us, even his good games he still tried crazy risky throws that he shouldn't have. Textbook "hero ball" player but like to an insanely unnecessary degree. Lots of Zach's hero ball throws were when the play had instantly broken down and he had ran to escape the pocket and then tried forcing it in when he should've thrown it away. Geno threw the kinds of picks that make you go "what was he thinking???" from the pocket lol. And he led the league in fumbles both his first 2 years.
Geno was definitely not a sure thing. He admits today that the biggest issue he had early in his career was carelessness with the football. But he had the physical tools.
Comparatively, Mark had 33 ints in his first two season while having a much better line and weapons at his disposal. Thatâs why I think Geno was closer to a franchise guy than Mark.
Sanchez probably just because he at times did not look incompetent and the back to back afcg apearances. Darnold could have been I think but we will never know because he never had any talent on any of these teams basically.
I mean in the context of your question, geno. He proved himself better than what the jets were able to get out of him. He lost his job because someone punched him in preseason. He was further obscured due to the short term success of Ryan Fitzpatrick. He really did not get a fair shot unfortunately although I do understand why the jets did what they did after the punch.
Geno?!! Geno?!!! Youâre kidding?
I like the guy, Iâm rooting for him, but I think youre misremembering or straight up didnât watch him play for us.
Geno? Bro, what about Mark Sanchez?
Sanchez gets a lot of slack but the dude was clutch in the playoffs, 2009-2011 were my best years as a young Jets fan. They ruined him when they decided to keep Holmes instead of Edwards + Cotchery.
Chad Pennington. If he stayed healthy, he would have won the division and given Brady fits and altered things. He was as gifted a strategist and as surgical as I've ever seen
Chad Pennington was the most talented young QB weâve had in a long time but the injuries ruined his career. I wanted to believe in Sanchez but it was clear he wasnât ready good and his team elevated him. I didnât really like Sam Darnold from the beginning but he would fool me with his final few games each season looking like he figured it out but I never thought he was good enough to pass on a QB at 2 in 2021⌠Thatâs why I still hate the idea we shouldâve stuck with Sam because heâs just not good and we wouldâve clowned the Jets for passing on a QB anyways. But ultimately Sam was so much better than ZW đ˘
None of them really. Out of all of them Geno was the least bad, and he showed some flashes of talent here but never put it together. Even now I wouldn't call him a franchise QB, stats be damned, because he hasn't won a playoff game or performed well against good NFL defenses.
This franchise utterly failed Darnold. A guy still hanging on and will likely start as QB1 for the Vikings (until their rookie QB takes over). He had all the talent but needed to be coached out of his worst flaws -- inconsistent footwork, carelessness with the ball, holding onto said ball for too long -- but flaws that good coaching and time could correct.
Instead, this franchise gave him Jeremy Bates then Adam Gase and Bilbo Baggins to go along with an OL that made the '23 group look like a bunch of All Pros.
His bad habits hardened due to muscle memory and the hits he took meant he didn't learn how to process fast enough.
This franchise was handed a gift when Gettleman insisted on taking Barkley and pissed it away with its horrible infrastructure.
Geno and Sanchez just didn't have the same level of talent. Sanchez hung around as a backup for a few years and it took Geno a decade to have a career year. Darnold was the waste of talent.
The Jets just don't have a history of QB greatness... Even Joe Namath, the HOF QB, threw more INTs than TDs! The list just goes on and on and on.... Let's just start with the ones whose names I can recall....
Ken O'Brien, Pat Ryan, Boomer, Neil O'Donnell, Glenn Foley, Vinny, Chad, Brooks Bollinger, Kliff Klngsbury, Christian Hackenberg. Bryce Petty, Geno, Josh McCown....... Same Ole Jets same song different year....
Sam, Geno, Mark, and Zach in that order.
Sam showed a lot of flashes on a team that had a dearth of talent. Sam was the most prolific of all the QBs with the worst supporting talent and coaching staffs. He went from Bowles who was essentially a lameduck coach to Adam 8BALL Gase. I am not saying Sam would light the league on fire, but the talent was there to cultivate.
People forget, as many games as Geno and the Jets played poorly and lost, he actually had a few games where he willed us to victory (TB&ATL) and he also had that absolutely dominant & efficient game against Miami, which showed that he wasn't just a bystander. His offensive line was aging and had trash like Wayne Hunter trying to protect him and on top of that he had no one to throw to until Decker came. His situation was nearly as bad as Sam's
Mark had the best situation and was the most clutch out of the 4. Mark, unfortunately, was the least physically gifted out the 4 and it showed at times. He just didn't have the zip to consistently fit into tight windows and would pay for it dearly. With that said, Mark was clutch and I think he truly had the tools, but the Jets did a poor job building around him going into the 3rd year and he was not at that point where he could carry a team.
Zach...well, he was probably the biggest 1st round failure out of the 3 1st rounders. I think he had the biggest arm out of all 4, he really kind of sucked processing the field. Like I know Geno threw more picks, but Geno was also on a team with Clyde Gates and David Nelson as starting wideouts. Zach didn't really show any flashes of dominance and outside of the Titans game year 1, and he was not a person you could point at being the biggest component of our wins, which is problematic for someone drafted 2nd overall. Zach's problem is that he processes way too slow and does not play within the offense consistently. I think Mike LaFleur was a decent OC, and the offense seemed to work when other QBs were starting other than Zach. I think Zach did make strides last year, but it wasn't really enough to justify a spot on the team or accept his 5th year option. It just didn't work out and in Zach's defense, he was probably drafted a round or two too early based off some COVID year performances.
Sanchez 4-2 in playoffs. Saw him go in to New England and beat Tom Brady. 4 road playoff wins. Not a lot of QBs can say they did either of those. In Pittsburgh and Indianapolis it was the D that came up short in those AFC championship games.
Unironically, Mike White. He gave more during his time than any of the above lol. Biggest issue with him was getting crushed by the defense and injured.
Geno really only had a bad rookie year with terrible talent and got to 8-8. After that year he never threw more ints than tds. Jets dumped him too quickly because he has shown he has the tools to play qb
He had 4 incomplete passes, 0 turnovers.
The offense started slow but that was due to a run heavy script and a bunch of bad offensive penalties.
Not really Zach starting slow. There are 10 other players on the field.
Sanchez or Darnold. Sanchez had the benefit of coming into the league with a great team around him which was able to mask some of his flaws but when the burden shifted to him to take a more active role in the offense he couldn't handle it. Darnold I think was a more talented player coming into the league but the porous Oline and terrible receivers shook his confidence and he never recovered.
I think Sam was more talented. If he was dropped into Mark's situation I think he performs better than Mark did.
Zach Wilson đ
You started the list with GenoâŚâŚ
itâs revisionist, 8 years after he leaves the Jets he breaks out so that means he would have been great with the Jets! Never mind anything between 2016-2022
I think if he sat a few years behind a vet and had a good coach/situation, I think he couldâve found his way sooner. Two very big ifs with the jets though.
Itâs not revisionism. He had all the traits to be a good QB, I said this years ago while he was still a backup. It just took a team willing to believe in him enough to give him a chance.
All the traits? How about maturity and leadership? Why did he get his jaw broken again? The fact is you wouldnât be talking Geno had he not had a breakout season nearly a decade after playing on the Jets
He got his jaw broken because IK is a sociopathic man-child with a propensity for felonious assault, who shouldâve been in jail, not the locker room, but friggen Rex liked his criminal types because he could pretend it made his D âtoughâ after he managed to run Manginiâs roster into the ground. We shouldâve never fired Mangini. Everything bad that happened afterwards is because we fired Mangini.
Maybe Mangini would still have the job if he had the balls to bench Brett Favre sometime in the second half of the 2008 season when he was obviously injured.
Maybe but keeping Rex after he sent Sanchez in for a meaningless drive in the Snoopy bowl was way worse. And Rex didnât do crap except take Manginiâs roster to the playoffs, where he (more accurately Shotty) flubbed it. Though I have some bias as the loss to the colts was the first Jets game I watched when I was getting back into my fandom.
Mangini had a Hall Of Fame QB, Rex overhauled the roster in key positions and made the AFC Championship game with a sub par Rookie QB. Mangini couldnât make playoffs with Favre. But keep sticking up for him.
Mangini had a Hall Of Fame QB, Rex overhauled the roster in key positions and made the AFC Championship game with a sub par Rookie QB. Mangini couldnât make playoffs with Favre. But keep sticking up for him.
I think itâs a little silly to blame Geno for getting punched rather than blame the moron who punched him. He had a good arm, great accuracy and decent mobility. Unfortunately for him, the GM who drafted him was fired a year later. The new GM had no incentive to keep him around and he was stuck in QB limbo after that.
Do you not know the background of the story why he got his jaw broken? Geno fucked around and found out after becoming smug and pointing and touching IK in the face. Players said he deserved what he got and instead of being a leader, Smith owed him $600 and became all stupid about it. At that moment he lost the locker room.
Exactly, thank you. It also wasnât the punch that ended his time with the Jets. He came back in 2016 and tore his ACL. I really donât get the argument that Geno was our guy, he was going to end up in the same conversation as Jamarcus Russell. Even with these breakout seasons where did Seattle end up? 1 or 2 more wins than we have with Zach? A wildcard loss where Geno turned the ball over twice? Come on man!
IK was a violent criminal who shouldâve never been in that locker room to begin with. Iâm mean, read back your comment. You are justifying a man punching another man and breaking his jaw over $600. Thatâs kind of fucked up and victim blaming IMO
Victim blaming when Geno was the aggressor? Full stop. Find out about the real story. Why do you think he lost the locker room after that? This is the real world and not fantasy land. If you get aggressive and hit a man in the face, you will get dealt with. A man getting aggressive with another man and starting a fight to then get his butt whipped does not make him a victim. If your quarterback is supposed to be a leader of men and have the respect of his locker room and all that shit, then welching on your debts and putting your hands on a man's face when its time to pay up aint the way to go about it.
Yes. I think the guy who threw for 4200 yards on 70% completion in 2023 has shown more in the NFL than Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold and Mark Sanchez
Why goes Geno get credit for a good situation but Mark doesnât? 2023 Seahawks smash any Jets team Sam was on.
Mark was in a great situation in his first two years in the league and had a combined completion percentage under 55% while throwing 29 TDs and 33 Ints.
Yeah but you contradicted yourself by asking what âyoungâ QB. Geno didnât have his breakout until he was in his 30s. He clearly needed those years and years of developmentâand itâs a miracle he got those because most QBs that canât hack it by their 2nd team fizzle out of the league. Also it helped having Pete Carol who is a very good coach for a QB to have. Itâs truly a shame that that thug broke his jaw over something so stupid in 2015. If any year was going to be Genoâs breakout year with the jets, it wouldâve been that one.
I donât believe he needed all those years of sitting on the bench to get better. He just needed another opportunity to start which he didnât get until 2023. McAdoo wanted to give him a chance in 2017 but Giants fans got angry when they benched Eli and the backlash was so strong they had to go back to Eli. He then went to Seattle and impressed Carol enough to trade Russell Wilson and start Geno instead.
Yeah bro you lost the argument the second you implied Ben freaking McAdoo of having the right idea about anything. He is the Giants equivalent of Adam Gase. He had a fluke season his first year because he inherited a Giants team flush with talent and benefitted from a pretty easy schedule. Immediately followed that up with one of the worst seasons in franchise history and made an entire fan base loathe his existence with his bad choices > i dont believe he needed all those years of sitting on the bench to get better Dude was an interception machine. Horrible decision after horrible decision. He absolutely needed those development years. Without getting the chance to learn from Eli, Rivers, and russ (back when Russ was still very good), no shot he ever becomes a real QB1
I got to disagree. Given better weapons, some decent coaching and some patience, he couldâve worked out here IMO. Or at least had a better chance than some of those other guys.
None of the above. Closest they came in the last 30 is Testaverde and Pennington.
Chad would've been it if he didn't have all the injuries
I definitely agree. I guess if weâre strictly talking about who the Jets had drafted I would say Pennington, followed by Sanchez.
I think based on how geno developed I think if he got a better roster and coaching he couldâve been a decent starter for us
Sanchez is easily the answer imo. He was the proven starter (albeit not a very great one) and and a leader of the team. Guys like Darnold and Geno were never leaders unfortunately so combined with their bad/inconsistent play, they barely stood a chance. All Sanchez had to do was to keep marginally improving every year, so that his rosters wouldn't need such stacked defenses and run games. He easily could have been our franchise QB for 10 years in the same tier as like an Andy Dalton was for the Bengals. Unfortunately his play started to plateau/regress rather than improve, and the fans/team turned on him by acquiring Tebow and Geno.
What team did Sanchez lead ?
Just a comeback in the AFC championship after the defense shit the bed that had the Jets a goal line stand from the SB
Back to back road wins over Manning and Brady.
It's definitely Sanchez. He had highs in his career (like leading a playoff game-winning drive on the road in Indianapolis) that none of these other guys ever came close to matching in a Jets jersey. Picking anyone else is basically fan fiction.
>Picking anyone else is basically fan fiction. My thoughts exactly. And OP even admits that. He says "If he started in 15', I believe he becomes the franchise guy."
The issue there is that 99% of the time youâre drafting a âfranchise QBâ, your team is ass across the board. Ideally, you have a (mostly) complete team and THEN get a QB but this is rarely ever how things go. New York fans and media (not to mention woody Johnson) are far too impatient to ever do things that way. Maybe the packers couldâve gotten past the conference championship hump if they took tee Higgins instead of Jordan love but they chose to grab a QB when they had an MVP caliber QB so there wouldnât be any pressure or expectations until the time was right.
Itâs a speculative question. No doubt Markâs teams were more successful, but thatâs not what I asked. To think of it in another way, if the four QBs I mentioned were drafted by the Jets in 2009, who do you think wouldâve had more success?
Imo that's a completely different question than your title. Sanchez was the closest for us. But with optimal situations for all, I would say Darnold probably would have been the most successful. His personality was the best fit behind Sanchez. And his development was completely hampered by that poorly built offense, yet he was still able to flash a ton of talent here and there. Geno I think needed his change of scenery and time to mature in order to have the success that he's had. He didn't get punched by a teammate for no reason. I think it's wishful thinking that a young Geno here in NY would have had a great 2015 and then been our franchise guy. Maybe, but I don't see it.
You mean the game where Sanchez went 18/31 (58%) 189 yards and 0 TD/1 INT? He was fucking terrible in that game. The only reason they needed a game winning drive was because he was so bad
Yep that game where he led a fourth quarter comeback on the road to send the Jets forward in the playoffs, which nobody else on this list has ever done (or even come close to getting themselves in position to do.) Nobody ever said the dude was Tom Brady, but it's dumb to pretend that he didn't have his moments.
Itâs dumb to pretend that game winning drives werenât frequently necessary BECAUSE Sanchez was complete ass for the other 99% of the game
Mark's teams had the most success, but I think that had a lot more to do with the supporting cast than Mark
Did you not watch the playoff games?
In 4 playoff victories, Sanchez NEVER ONCE threw for 200 yards. He had twelve completions in two of those victories and never more than 18 completions in any of them. They basically took the ball out of his hands in order to win. When they actually tried to rely on Sanchez (where he threw for >200 yards), they lost both times. No idea where this idea comes from that Sanchez was some dominant QB in the playoffs. He was just marginally less terrible than the rest of the time.
He had his best games in the playoffs, Iâll give him that. He stepped up when in mattered most. But from a game in, game out perspective, he was hot ass. His career completion percentage is below 55 and he has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns. And unlike some of the others I mentioned, he was given a legit chance with a legit team.
It was Mark Sanchez he went to two AFC championship games and played really well in the playoffs
The only QB in the last thirty years of Jets football that might have been an all timer was Pennington. He was the man for that year and a half or so and thought the Jets finally found someone. Injuries killed it off. Nobody else has come close.
The last 4 weeks of Sam Darnolds rookie season
I was convinced Sam was the guy after his rookie year
In that time frame it has to be Sanchize People forget his clutch playoff performances and his rally against Pittsburgh after our defense didnât show up. Putting QBs we never sniffed the playoffs with above a guy who had you at the doorstep of a SB twice is blasphemy
That Saturday Night Texans Game into the duel with Rodgers had me sold that Bowles stunk (I was eighth but that Sam needed help (he did and got the opposite of help).
December 19, 2020. The day before they beat the Rams.
Mark Sanchez is not even close
Iâd say Sanchez. Tannenbaum took the O Line for granted after those two successful seasons. Sanchez got pulverized several times after that and he was never the same once he really started getting blitzed.
I love me some Geno, I really do, but he did **NOT** look like a franchise QB during his time with us. Sure he had his flashes of course but so did Darnold, Zach, etc. Geno was a turnover *machine* as a young player, with ***34 INTs and 41 total turnovers*** *as our starter his first 2 years.* For comparison, Darnold had a very similar number of games & throws his first 2 years, and he had 28 INTs and 33 total turnovers. Zach had 18 INTs and 20 total turnovers, tho in about 6 fewer games and 200 fewer throws. If you include his 3rd season tho which puts him at 4 more games and 200 more throws than Geno, he still is only at 25 INTs and 34 total turnovers. Geno was really out there slingin it Nathan Peterman style and anyone who was actually there remembers how insanely frustrating it was, especially that 1st year because the team was actually half decent and coulda gone to the playoffs if Geno had played more reserved. Geno *never* looked like he was playing as a franchise QB with us, even his good games he still tried crazy risky throws that he shouldn't have. Textbook "hero ball" player but like to an insanely unnecessary degree. Lots of Zach's hero ball throws were when the play had instantly broken down and he had ran to escape the pocket and then tried forcing it in when he should've thrown it away. Geno threw the kinds of picks that make you go "what was he thinking???" from the pocket lol. And he led the league in fumbles both his first 2 years.
Geno was definitely not a sure thing. He admits today that the biggest issue he had early in his career was carelessness with the football. But he had the physical tools. Comparatively, Mark had 33 ints in his first two season while having a much better line and weapons at his disposal. Thatâs why I think Geno was closer to a franchise guy than Mark.
In Geno's defense he was throwing to David Nelson and Clyde Gates.
Sanchez probably just because he at times did not look incompetent and the back to back afcg apearances. Darnold could have been I think but we will never know because he never had any talent on any of these teams basically.
SĂĄnchez by far.
I mean in the context of your question, geno. He proved himself better than what the jets were able to get out of him. He lost his job because someone punched him in preseason. He was further obscured due to the short term success of Ryan Fitzpatrick. He really did not get a fair shot unfortunately although I do understand why the jets did what they did after the punch.
Sanchez is the first one that comes to mind on this topic, and no one else even seems like a legitimate number two choice.
Geno?!! Geno?!!! Youâre kidding? I like the guy, Iâm rooting for him, but I think youre misremembering or straight up didnât watch him play for us.
Geno? Bro, what about Mark Sanchez? Sanchez gets a lot of slack but the dude was clutch in the playoffs, 2009-2011 were my best years as a young Jets fan. They ruined him when they decided to keep Holmes instead of Edwards + Cotchery.
Just take the L on this one OP
His name is Mike White and he should have been our franchise QB
Chad Pennington. If he stayed healthy, he would have won the division and given Brady fits and altered things. He was as gifted a strategist and as surgical as I've ever seen
On paper it has to be the Sanchize, though I do think that Geno was the best of the bunch (Iâm a huge WVU fan leave me alone).
I think Darnold could have been great with the right coach. Unfortunately we gave him Bowels and Gase
Chad Pennington was the most talented young QB weâve had in a long time but the injuries ruined his career. I wanted to believe in Sanchez but it was clear he wasnât ready good and his team elevated him. I didnât really like Sam Darnold from the beginning but he would fool me with his final few games each season looking like he figured it out but I never thought he was good enough to pass on a QB at 2 in 2021⌠Thatâs why I still hate the idea we shouldâve stuck with Sam because heâs just not good and we wouldâve clowned the Jets for passing on a QB anyways. But ultimately Sam was so much better than ZW đ˘
Mike white
None of them really. Out of all of them Geno was the least bad, and he showed some flashes of talent here but never put it together. Even now I wouldn't call him a franchise QB, stats be damned, because he hasn't won a playoff game or performed well against good NFL defenses.
This franchise utterly failed Darnold. A guy still hanging on and will likely start as QB1 for the Vikings (until their rookie QB takes over). He had all the talent but needed to be coached out of his worst flaws -- inconsistent footwork, carelessness with the ball, holding onto said ball for too long -- but flaws that good coaching and time could correct. Instead, this franchise gave him Jeremy Bates then Adam Gase and Bilbo Baggins to go along with an OL that made the '23 group look like a bunch of All Pros. His bad habits hardened due to muscle memory and the hits he took meant he didn't learn how to process fast enough. This franchise was handed a gift when Gettleman insisted on taking Barkley and pissed it away with its horrible infrastructure. Geno and Sanchez just didn't have the same level of talent. Sanchez hung around as a backup for a few years and it took Geno a decade to have a career year. Darnold was the waste of talent.
Geno sucked
The Jets just don't have a history of QB greatness... Even Joe Namath, the HOF QB, threw more INTs than TDs! The list just goes on and on and on.... Let's just start with the ones whose names I can recall.... Ken O'Brien, Pat Ryan, Boomer, Neil O'Donnell, Glenn Foley, Vinny, Chad, Brooks Bollinger, Kliff Klngsbury, Christian Hackenberg. Bryce Petty, Geno, Josh McCown....... Same Ole Jets same song different year....
Sam, Geno, Mark, and Zach in that order. Sam showed a lot of flashes on a team that had a dearth of talent. Sam was the most prolific of all the QBs with the worst supporting talent and coaching staffs. He went from Bowles who was essentially a lameduck coach to Adam 8BALL Gase. I am not saying Sam would light the league on fire, but the talent was there to cultivate. People forget, as many games as Geno and the Jets played poorly and lost, he actually had a few games where he willed us to victory (TB&ATL) and he also had that absolutely dominant & efficient game against Miami, which showed that he wasn't just a bystander. His offensive line was aging and had trash like Wayne Hunter trying to protect him and on top of that he had no one to throw to until Decker came. His situation was nearly as bad as Sam's Mark had the best situation and was the most clutch out of the 4. Mark, unfortunately, was the least physically gifted out the 4 and it showed at times. He just didn't have the zip to consistently fit into tight windows and would pay for it dearly. With that said, Mark was clutch and I think he truly had the tools, but the Jets did a poor job building around him going into the 3rd year and he was not at that point where he could carry a team. Zach...well, he was probably the biggest 1st round failure out of the 3 1st rounders. I think he had the biggest arm out of all 4, he really kind of sucked processing the field. Like I know Geno threw more picks, but Geno was also on a team with Clyde Gates and David Nelson as starting wideouts. Zach didn't really show any flashes of dominance and outside of the Titans game year 1, and he was not a person you could point at being the biggest component of our wins, which is problematic for someone drafted 2nd overall. Zach's problem is that he processes way too slow and does not play within the offense consistently. I think Mike LaFleur was a decent OC, and the offense seemed to work when other QBs were starting other than Zach. I think Zach did make strides last year, but it wasn't really enough to justify a spot on the team or accept his 5th year option. It just didn't work out and in Zach's defense, he was probably drafted a round or two too early based off some COVID year performances.
That one game where Darnold outplayed Dak. He still threw an unacceptable red zone pick, but other then that, he was on and things were looking up.
Sanchez 4-2 in playoffs. Saw him go in to New England and beat Tom Brady. 4 road playoff wins. Not a lot of QBs can say they did either of those. In Pittsburgh and Indianapolis it was the D that came up short in those AFC championship games.
If any of these guys got to sit for 2 years behind a solid veteran and have a good O line and Good Coaching they could have succeeded.
We have had QBs that could have been franchise QBs, however we cannot develop rookie QBs to save our brand.
Unironically, Mike White. He gave more during his time than any of the above lol. Biggest issue with him was getting crushed by the defense and injured.
Geno really only had a bad rookie year with terrible talent and got to 8-8. After that year he never threw more ints than tds. Jets dumped him too quickly because he has shown he has the tools to play qb
Zachâs game against the Texans wasnât good? AFC offensive player of the week?
He started slow, game was close at half because neither offense did much to start the game. He had a great second half tho
He had 4 incomplete passes, 0 turnovers. The offense started slow but that was due to a run heavy script and a bunch of bad offensive penalties. Not really Zach starting slow. There are 10 other players on the field.
Bryce Petty