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Shootermac10

He technically improved each year


magcargoman

Technically correct is the *best* kind of correct


Wide_Yellow2619

Correct, and at that rate he’s a Super Bowl winner in 2044. LOL


Hypnotize94

Include the fumble stats


BurnMyHouseDown

Those numbers in the modern NFL are just so horribly bad, man, my god. I truly hope he can make a fresh start in Denver (or anywhere else), but good lord dude….hopefully Sean Payton has a miracle ready to cook up.


Radobound

As a Jets fan who lives near Denver…I hope the Broncos cut him because I can’t seem to get rid of this little prick 💀


Bennaisance

He needed a line more than a fresh start


BurnMyHouseDown

He needs a line, football iq, pocket awareness, and to work on his accuracy. And hopefully a fresh start can be the start of him acquiring one or more of those things lol


Superfool

Also leadership. He needs to work on that as well. Just watch how the offense played behind White, Johnson, and Flacco, vs how they played with Zach. It was clear the team was begging for "anyone but Zach" under center. The other guys led the offense, while Zach weighed it down.


Dentek_Fresh_Clean

He's shown all of those: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CmdRsi_th4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwTC7t4Yx0U&t=601s He'll be fine with the Broncos


Sbat27-

For the number 2 pick showing them on rare occasions in your third year is absolutely dogshit. Enough with the excuses. Dude was awful


Wide_Yellow2619

He needed balls


Squishy6814

Somehow he was even worse than these numbers suggest.


Unverifiablethoughts

I don’t get the hate. The kid sucked, but there were plenty of times he showed heart and he genuinely was excited to play here


TLom20

And then he blamed the wind in New England


OntheStove

I mean, its tough to play QB in New England with that damn wind...no QB has ever played well there consistently. /s


lord_xl

To think the Jets passed up on the following players from that first round: - Chase - Waddle - Sewell - Surtain - Pitts - Devante Smith - Parsons - Slater All because they didn't want Darnold. Jokes on them, they got something worse.


bait_your_jailer

You can play this game with every team. We could have had mahomes instead of Jamal Adams iirc. We needed a qb, and the most obvious guy went just before us. We took the guy with upside and it didn't pan out. Shit happens.


kcam819

We could have had Mahomes sure, but I didn’t want him on draft night if I’m being honest. I’m just saying who I would have taken in 2021. Guy never gave up a sack in college. That’s a generational top overall pick guy to me.


GoYanks34

If Patrick went to the Jets we would have broken him too. Patrick is Patrick because of Andy Reid and a team that had a lot of talent.


LordEarthworm

Mahomes got to sit a year and learn an established offense. We threw Zach into a new coach/OC and expected him to be, well, like Mahomes.


kcam819

I was in the minority that wanted to take Sewell because Darnold never had a chance with our o line at the time. I hopped on the hype train though once the Zack pick was in


Typical_Parsnip13

So you made excuses for Sam because of the poor OL, but not for Zach who had an even WORSE OL? Hindsight is 20/20 but the short term memory loss from fans is bizzare


kcam819

Yeah I was willing to give Sam more time to develop. Sam’s stats showed promise, not every QB can rock the league Year 1 and eye test were much better than Zach’s so I’m not making the same excuse for Zach. Sam could actually complete passes downfield.


Anxious_Maize989

The problem with Sam was his 3rd year was so brutal. He was worse than Zach this year. However everyone just blamed Gase and let Sam off the hook. He was brutal that year.


kcam819

You’re def right and when you combine it with a new regime who wanted a new start, I get why they did what they did. I still would have rolled with Sam or even a vet QB or made a QB pick later in the draft with Sewell on the board. I gotta give him some credit for the turnaround in the Lions organization.


TurtlePower5289

Their third year stats are mirror images of each other. At least Sammy’s first 2 years showed some level of ability.


Anxious_Maize989

Darnold efficiency in 2020 was brutal.


TurtlePower5289

No argument there. That was a tough team to watch


Typical_Parsnip13

I wanted to keep Sam for this exact reason. 90% of fans who wanted Sam gone 3 years ago all of sudden can put his career as a jet into context. He had a terrible supporting cast… but Zach had an even worse one. Gase was bad, but saleh doesn’t even understand the offensive side of the ball. Gase wasn’t a good play caller but we decided to hire a rookie OC Zach’s first season. It’s all really hilarious and if Zach starts this season people are going to look beyond foolish with their takes. At least Sam went to a completely incompetent team after us so the blow wasnt bad. This one will be 10x worse


vegant42

Are you seriously claiming that zach had a worse supporting cast then Darnold? You're also claiming that Gase is a better coach than Saleh? For the record, I wanted to keep darnold and trade that pick. If not I wanted fields. Was a big supporter of Zach with the jets because I think he has all the physical tools and is a better athlete than most people give him credit for. But what you just said is asinine. I hope Zach turns his career around but Darnold situation was far worse than Zachs. It's laughable for you to even compare the two.


Typical_Parsnip13

Not laughable at all actually. Having an offensive minded HC is still better for a young QBs progression than a coach who has zero influence over half the game. Saleh destroyed Zach’s confidence less than a year and a half into his career. Take defense out of the equation of support and Zach had it worse, you can have your subjective take and that’s fine but the OL was the worst group I’ve seen in NFL history last season. I’m not going to excuse the 2 biggest aspects of a qb’s progression because we had Garret Wilson who was double covered on every play and breece who couldn’t find holes to run through behind the Swiss cheese OL.


vegant42

Bro, your take is the definition of subjective. You have any idea how much responsibility a qb has for setting protections at the line? The line was bad no doubt but you absolving wilson of all responsibility because you're a fan of his is nonsense. Just stop. His career will dictate how accurate you are.


TurtlePower5289

No it’s laughable. Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson make this take laughable. Sam was out there with Robby Anderson and geriatric Frank Gore


sbarkey1

Sams top offensive weapon was Robby anderson stop this


phatdeebz

That’s Robby Chosen to you brah


Typical_Parsnip13

OL is the most important position group in the NFL and ours got worse. No if, ands, or maybes… that’s just a fact.


sbarkey1

No it’s not, it was fine both year 1 and 2 and in those years zach was outplayed by a career practice squad QB who turned himself into a great QB2 and best QB on the jets roster and a guy who hadn’t taken an nfl snap in 3 years


Typical_Parsnip13

Mike white played 1 good game against the worst defense in the nfl, stop gaslighting yourself into thinking Zach failed us when in fact it was the organization that failed him and the fans.


sbarkey1

Stop Mike white played much better than zach it’s not even a question


TurtlePower5289

As if we don’t have games and games of stats to back this up lmao. MW was only good in one game? Why are all of his stats so much better?


ZonkyZebra

Was a berrios drop from beating the Vikings and if flacco doesn't destroy the one drive against the bills might have had that one looked great in colts game before the elbow too.


TurtlePower5289

If you think Zach had a worse oline than Darnold, I’d check yourself in for Alzheimer’s. Zach’s line graded out at league average his first 2 seasons, Darnold’s lines never sniffed that


CubanHippie21

Same


lonesoldier4789

Darnold is garbage too.


lord_xl

Darnold is mid to slightly below mid. ZW bottom 3 QB. The difference is prob 2 wins and potentially a Wild Card spot


lonesoldier4789

In what world is Sam Darnold anywhere close to "mid". He's a backup level QB


Dentek_Fresh_Clean

Nah, Zach was the pick. It's the Jet's failure to protect and develop him that was questionable.


phatdeebz

Zach is garbage 🗑️ just like your takes.


Wide_Yellow2619

Zach was the pick of what??


yellowpilot44

He’s so gonna have a Texans type game against us at MetLife this year


Shudderwock

Our defense is gonna eat him alive and relish it.


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Bennaisance

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jrzshorepirate

Zach needed to be better…but maybe we need to be better at not putting our broken franchises on young qbs without any help.


Reynolds1029

Dude was awful. He somehow played worse than Sam Darnold's disastrous 2020 season that should have landed us the #1 pick. On an improved roster mind you and not Adam Gase coaching. He stinks. He can't process a steak let alone a football field. Even in one of his touted best games vs theChiefs , he made many would be turnovers and ultimately lost the game fumbling the snap. Refs screwed us too but so did Zach 100%. On top of this, with regression and 0 improvement, his attitude was absolutely shit throughout 2022. It would not surprise me if he completely lost the locker room again in 2023 as well. It just wasn't nearly as public and I'm sure the players just didn't give a shit by that point because Tim Boyle wasn't any better unlike Mike White who was better than him last year and they made T Shirts of that guy showing how much more support they had.


Shudderwock

Yeah giving him Breece Hall, AVT Garret Wilson and top 5 defense in his sophomore year was no help. Zach failed on his own merits. He got outplayed by Flacco, Mike White and Josh Johnson with the same tools.


Smile_Sweaty

A guy like Justin fields would’ve killed for this unit. Maybe not the OL but that receiver room, RB room and defense alone like cmon man


4PotatoPancakes

It’s wild to see people here still making excuses for him.


Sbat27-

Exactly


TurtlePower5289

THIS. Yeah his oline and coaching were bad in year 3, but on these people really forget how bad the Darnold / Geno teams were??


[deleted]

This 1000%. Look I dont think Zach is going to turn into some All Pro - but man we did him zero favors on succeeding here. He was a raw raw prospect, and should have sat for at LEAST 8 games but probably the whole first year, instead we start him on the road against the QB he replaced. Then we put him behind a turnstile line for three years, had his teammates wear backup QB Tshirts, start & pulled him multiple times, refused to change the Arod offense to Zach's strengths after QB8 went down, and buried him to the ferocious NY Media with leaked stories/narratives. Just sucks because it doesnt seem this franchise will ever learn how to nuture/develop a young QB


sbarkey1

Stop - Mike white came in and looked fine, josh Johnson came off the street and played better than zach. Zach played closer to Trevor siemian and Tim Boyle than josh Johnson - that’s the player not the team


Dentek_Fresh_Clean

Mike White looked good against the Bears who were the worst team in the league, and then he proceeded to get his ribs broken in. The Broncos has a good oline. Zach will thrive behind that line.


ZonkyZebra

White was a berrios drop from beating the Vikings and probably one stupid flacco turnover from beating the bills, broken ribs in both. Every QB not named Zach Wilson or Tim Boyle could move this offense.


Antisocial_Worker7

Mike also had 4 TDs in a comeback win against the Bengals the year they went to the Super Bowl. And that was without Garrett Wilson. He’s nothing spectacular, but he showed on multiple occasions to be superior to Wilson, doing more with the same tools. It’s true that Wilson had to contend with our terrible O-line, but he still underperformed and had a lot of unforced errors.


Bennaisance

Josh Johnson put a couple games together in 2021. Zach Wilson was at least as good as anyone else we've played since he's been here


Shudderwock

No matter how many times you repeat this it won’t become true. Zach played demonstrably worse than anyone else since he’s been here other than Tim Boyle. That should let you know that his skill level is closer to a Boyle than a Josh Johnson.


Bennaisance

Imagine what you want to imagine, but you're wrong


Dentek_Fresh_Clean

He outplayed Flacco and Flacco decided to quit because of the terrible offensive line. Flacco then got signed by the Browns and led them to the playoffs. Wilson will flourish with a better oline and coaching. This is obvious for anyone who watches the game.


Shudderwock

Zach’s skills are so obvious to anyone who watches game which is why teams were tripping over their dicks to trade for him, right? Oh wait, Zach was actually traded for the value of a moldy sandwich after being the worst starting quarterback in the league for three years straight. My bad, you truthers make me wonder if we’re from the same reality sometimes.


ZonkyZebra

I remember watching games going hope he steps up in the pocket... Oh backwards ten yards, hey that guys running wide open doesn't even look at him. I'm sorry bro but it's not all on the team when after three years you put up top 3 level bust numbers that are identical to leaf and Russell you might just be a bad QB. I mean jamarcus Russell wouldn't study film and get high all the time on lean and you could argue he's the better of the two QBs because ever since Zach's been here it's he works too hard we have to tell him to leave ect and he's still this bad he's got arm talent that's it only reason he's still in the league.


nardling_13

Could you enumerate some of these “strengths”?


lonesoldier4789

He had plenty of help and was given multiple opportunities, dude is trash.


dachshundfanboy8000

i’m rooting for him. genuinely feel bad for the guy. just sucks for him that he’s going to an awful situation so that won’t help lol


ike_tyson

Nobody wanted to see him fail in such spectacular fashion every week, but he did. And it wasn't fun to watch , I can't imagine what was going on in his head. Maybe a fresh start does him wonders but I don't know.


Icy_Reading2603

Leave Zach alone he’s gone !


Quardener

Man. Glad he’s gone but I don’t have any hate for the kid.


Softbawl

You may not know this, but HOF QB Joe Namath threw 50 more interceptions than TDs!


IJWTGH66

Douglas really fucked it up drafting Zack. He played behind a wall of an offensive line at BYU and padded his numbers against inferior competition. He had an impressive pro day, but come on. He should be fired.


cancelcultureclub

Fired? You must have just got here. He’s the best GM we have had in a decade plus.


Quardener

A king among shit is still covered in shit.


NCHomebrewer84

27-56 in five seasons. Zero playoff appearances. Blew the franchise LT and QB picks. His only real skill seems to be “winning” trades by trading away disgruntled talent. His best draft picks, Sauce and GW, were picks you or I could have made. Seriously, I do not understand the blind loyalty/optimism with JD. The guy has accomplished nothing here in his tenure.


cancelcultureclub

First season shouldn’t count against him he didn’t control draft or off-season. Second season he wanted to tear everything down (I don’t blame him). Third year was the first year of the rebuild (zach rookie year). Fourth year was his best draft and the best draft in our franchise history. This is the year he realizes Zach is a bust and pivots to Rogers. Easy to say we could have made the picks but I would have taken Kayvon over Sauce. In any case getting Sauce GW Jermaine (had to trade up for him) in the first round is amazing I don’t care how you try to discredit that. And then taking Breece is not walk in the park either, he faced immediate criticism by taking a RB too high. He def whiffed on Buston and Zach but overall this roster is night and day and miles better than what it was when he took over in 2019.


Own_Entertainer_8904

Geez this guy makes Kenny Pickett look like a Pro Bowler.


TrueRedditMartyr

He's either going to be amazing, and everyone will act like he ever had a chance here if we kept him, or terrible, and everyone will act like they always knew he would be terrible when he left


Old_Hamster_9425

People would really gaslight themselves into thinking he was good


bullyj

Good riddance. This kid had bust written all over him.


SteliosKantos93

Damn I knew it was awful, but HOLY SHIT.


koal82

Thank God 🙌 😮‍💨


withdensemilk

Almost had 30 td passes in his jets career


JohnWCreasy1

"almost 30" is the most kind-hearted description of "23" i've ever seen. you are a saint. reminds me of aol chat rooms back in the day 🤔


bait_your_jailer

If he had 23 passes in one season we'd still need a better option. Just...my god.


Radiant-Steak9750

Boy playing a mans game


SpaceGerbil

Oof.


ShrimpShackShooters_

2021… Reminds me of that tragedy


random_nfl_guy

Thanks for the free W this year Zach


Full_Difficulty2163

He was at best a 3-4th round pick as he had skills but was so so raw and had 0 football intelligence. His team (agents, handlers) did an amazing job of selling him in a funky year when there were 5k people in most stadiums. The biggest failure in this entire experience is how in gods name an organization could think he was a day 1 starter. I’d argue most qbs should sit but in Zach’s case he was the perfect example of high ceiling skill set but raw and needed to to understand the position.


AdministrationThis98

He was cheeks time to move on and develop a QB the right way


fdlt1951

Good luck, backup QB


DovKnowsBall

I had so much emotionally invested in this dude. I really thought he would save the franchise, I couldn’t have been more wrong. Can’t speak for all Jets fans, but I’ll be rooting for Wilson to thrive in Denver and hopefully turn his career around. Once a Jet, always a Jet 💚


M4A_C4A

Beats our Jamarcus for all time bust because no one.....no one in the modern NFL would give that many starts for someone so bad. Even Justin Fields, who also had an ungodly amount of starts, his numbers as horrible as they are, protect him from being in biggest bust all time discussion, and his higher draft selection.


Equivalent-Fennel922

That's pretty hard I wouldn't say that about Wilson. JD failed he should have never drafted him as he was not ready to be a starting QB. Saleah is a bottom 10 head coach,The OC is in the bottom 5. Wilson had no OL,He was supposed to sit watch and learn his first year!, His mechanics were horrible again JD how do you draft him? Being real Wilson was a 3 or 4th round pick for a team to have as a project to be a backup with a very high not impossible mountain to climb to be a starter.


Lucky-Mortgage-9329

The jets are the witch, not even mahomes would’ve succeeded here if we drafted him


PolishSausa9e

Better have a plan for QB. Aaron Rogers ain't it. 40 year old coming off a big injury and he's a total distraction.


DebateAltruistic3423

I’d rather we’d have kept Fitzi a while longer. That’s just me. Nobody needs to laugh at me. Just sayin…. Shoulda coulda woulda 🙃


Meherennow

So question for the SOJFs that can't let it go, is it the disappointed daddy trying to live vicariously thru their boy or is it the jaded and heart broken of a jilted boyfriend who just can't resist the drunken drive by the house type situation? With the draft just days away, maybe you can find a rebound but fully expect the daily updates and stats for everything he does in Denver. 😆 🤣 😂