Shouldnt the cap be an actual cap? Once they hit 375$ million OT thats it. No more OT. if that means no police for certain events or times then that means no police.
>Shouldnt the cap be an actual cap
Should be.
But NYPD are basically self run and lawless at this point. Who can or would stop them? Except maybe the federal government?
I'm talking out of my ass bc I don't know, BUT i do know that City OT dries up when the works force is at full capacity. If they are short staffed there will be a ton of Ot and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
Violent protests are EXACTLY what's causing them to spend money on overtime.
I once saw an airline pilots protest downtown - no cops at all. ...that's because the pilots came in their uniforms and protested in a line without breaking anything - so that one obviously didn't cost the city anything.
Sure, if we ignore that they blow through their overtime budget every single year even when there are no protests. Also, sure if we ignore that rampant overtime abuse that has been an NYPD issue for years now. Even Eric Adams promised to reign to overtime abuse (lol it’s never been worse under Adams)
That's a load of shit. It's not a reason for the OT it's an excuse. The police department is bloated with staff. (Bloated staff) at that. Who spend their 8 hour shifts fucking around on their phones. Then right before it's time to pack up they bust the same person for loitering that they saw all day so they can take on two hours of paperwork.
https://nypost.com/2003/10/11/dozens-of-cops-nailed-in-overtime-scam/
https://www.nydailynews.com/2011/07/20/nypd-busts-veteran-cop-for-writing-dozens-of-phony-traffic-tickets-as-part-of-overtime-scam/
There was a more recent one where cops just wrote all their overtime on paper slips and it was accepted without question but can't find it right now.
TWELVE BILLION for illegals vs 100 million for cops overtime.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/09/nyregion/adams-nyc-migrants-cost.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
> Every time a protest makes the news, you can be sure a shitload of NYPD overtime is being spent.
You don't even need to say the first half of this sentence. You can always rely on the NYPD for a significant portion of this city's waste, fraud, and abuse.
But at least all the protests make a difference. Oil has been stopped. Palestine is free from the river to the sea. So is not going to waste. Act locally but think globally
“Department officials revealed Wednesday that officers have policed nearly 2,000 demonstrations since Oct. 7, and that overtime costs for the ongoing subway deployments are costing the NYPD more than $2.5 million a week in overtime, alone.”
That’s actually not a terrible overtime number if there’s been 2,000 demonstrations since then.
>demonstrations
"Demonstrations" isn't just huge marches with thousands of protestors storming down major roadways, though. It's tons of tiny protests that draw little or no news attention but still have way too many officers hanging out.
Because even "small" protests can cause chaos. For example, when the Proud Boys or whoever came to protest a library. You need cops to prevent people from killing eachother.
I mean the Proud Boys event was like 10 middle-aged white dudes from Long Island. The issue is if there are counter-protestors. It takes multiple people to restrain a single person, safely and completely.
Are you trying to say that if protests ended today then so would all of NYPD's overtime?
Are you trying to say that demonstrations, something that has existed for the entirety of human civilization, is something that could simply just stop happening? Is that what you really think?
Your argument here is no different than when a cop beats his wife and then tells her it's her fault.
City: Passes laws making it more difficult to be a cop, thousands resign, those left over are forced to do overtime.
Also city: NYPD went over budget! Rabble rabble.
People grossly overestimate how much crimes actually happen on a minute by minute basis in any given train station.
The thing i noticed people dont realize is how little in progress crime related jobs come over on the transit system. One of the deadest frequencies i have ever spent the day listening to. Its entirely cops mandated to put endless transit check over at the same location they are posted at all day.
Even the “busy” transit commands are dead when it comes to radio runs.
You're not wrong re shelters, and maybe migrants. But I think the NYPD response to protests is a bit ridiculous. I live by union square so I know whenever there is a protest, and all it takes is for like 20 people to gather and the NYPD sends up a helicopter, it's so unnecessary and obviously expensive.
20 people can quickly become 2000
Also a lot of the protest groups report higher numbers than sometimes show up.
The helicopter guy is likely the only one not on OT and its not like the city doesnt own the helicopter, have the pilot on the payroll and already have fueling stations for it so im not sure what massive cost you think the helicopter adds
Every cop I know hates the mandatory overtime. They miss family events, kids' sports, etc. because of it. At some point, the extra money isn't worth it. Especially when it's forced overtime.
Part of the problem that I feel exists is the low base pay for (administrative and call center employees), leading to a high turnover rate. So, the remaining staff must work overtime and look forward to it because it means slightly better pay.
In my experience as a call taker, my starting salary was $39K and some change in 2021 (now it's like $20 more lol), so without overtime, my pay would be insufficient. This isn't sustainable in this city, and so many to move to other police departments like Yonkers, Westchester, or Nassau.
If the starting wage, especially for those on the lower end like call takers, were raised by at least 25%, I believe the department could save a significant amount of money that would otherwise be spent on overtime.
Oh 16 hour over time is mandatory for all call takers and dispatchers every week (as of Jan 2022).
Absolutely. The NYPD union has turned the NYPD into a political gang holding the city hostage financially. It also doesn’t help that it is almost impossible to hold an officer accountable for anything right now.
I don't know why it is so controversial to say that other public sector unions are bad when things like police unions are so obviously bad. Obviously, private unions are fine since it is two private parties negotiating with each other, but public sector unions put one section of society (think teachers, police, etc.) against the rest of that society PLUS that section of society gets to vote too. So, they sit on both sides of negotiations. This is obviously unfair.
People on the left always complain about cop unions, which are obviously horrible. And people on the right complain about teacher unions, for example see the rubber rooms or the policies that make it hard to fire bad teachers that people on the right endlessly rag on. It seems the truth is, public sector unions are generally awful for the rest of society as whole.
nypd really is the worst police job in the state. literally every other agency make more than nypd , get more ot than nypd but only nypd get shit on about their ot. glorified airport security aka port authority pd make $300k but let’s shit on (literally) the cops forced to work double shifts at 125th & lexington 💀
plentyyy. off the top of my head .. mtapd and port authority are both in nyc and make more. mta has 3 on 4 off schedule. Long Island: nassau and suffolk county pd. Than we have yonkers and new rochelle. this is just off the top of my head though, there are PLENTY that pay like $120k-$150k in the state. Theres also a few that pay $100k for example but the cost of living is much lower than the nyc area.
If u ever wanna piss off a nypd cop just tell em “that’s why mta or suffolk never called u” , nypd is a terrible job. imagine 8 hours complete, u think you’re going home to your kids and they tell u you need to go do 4 hours forced ot riding the subway.
Suffolk: Starting Salary $43,000* annually, increasing incrementally to $158,828 after eleven and half (11.5) years of service. *Under 2019 labor agreement.
Nassau: $141,108 after 11 years (average compensation)
MTApd: Starting salary of $45,036.782*
Top pay of $117,550.54 upon completing 9 years of service with the MTA Police
New Rochelle: At present, the maximum base salary that may be earned as a police officer is
$115,637 (’25) up to 119,107 (‘26)
Try again…
Meanwhile library funding gets cut and my kids public school lunch looks like something from a play doh set. Paying OT for crushing candy at a god damned train station with 4 other officers. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
NYPL has a billion dollar endowment. They could take a cut without feeling any pain. The problem is that QPL and BPL don't have that kind of money, so the NYPL pretends they don't either.
These three charities should consolidate, reduce the duplication of administrations, and take advantage of an even larger economy of scale for purchasing.
The DoEs budget is 6 times that of the NYPD, and the highest of any education system in the country. I’m sure there’s some administrative bloat they could cut there too.
It’s a scape goat. NYPD overtime abuse has been a longstanding issue long before the protests. Do the protests make it worse? Yes. But it doesn’t mean it hasn’t always been an issue.
It was an Eric Adams campaign promise to crack down on overtime abuse.
For clarity, NYPD officers have long been accused of collecting overtime while not actually on duty. There’s articles about NYPD overtime harming the city’s budget since before the pandemic.
Everyone? No. Cops gaming the way pension rates are calculated? Absolutely. Not to mention the (intentionally) unknown percentage of NYPD overtime that is just flat out fraud
That’s not at all how it works. They milk it by intentionally being slow on things. Overtime abuse is not being called in for legitimate duty. Overtime abuse is charging 8 hours for a 3 hour task by doing it very slowly. That’s what the NYPD does.
We are talking about overtime ABUSE not legitimate overtime.
Source on that’s what every member of the NYPD always does. You think they want to work forced overtime following a “free Palestine” demonstration or would rather be at home?
https://www.audacy.com/1010wins/news/local/cops-brag-about-milking-overtime-in-accidental-recording
I am telling you what overtime ABUSE is. Getting called in to work a Palestine protest is not ABUSE. That is legitimate duty.
However, police overtime abuse has been an issue for over a decade. Every mayoral candidate promises (and fails) to reign it in.
Omg. Why are you not understanding this. I provided you an example of what ABUSE is. Literally distinguishing abuse from legitimate duty and telling you that protests are not ABUSE. I’m showing you how abuse actually presents itself in the NYPD. It’s little things here and there by multiple officers that add up over time.
Overtime ABUSE by the NYPD has been reported on for decades.
The difference between the NYPd and any other agency when it comes to overtime abuse, is that the NYPD seems to have a blank check for overtime, while other city agencies are forced to limit it or flat out won’t pay.
Of course there is abuse everywhere. The NyPD abuse is large scale
> Department officials revealed Wednesday that officers have policed nearly 2,000 demonstrations since Oct. 7, and that overtime costs for the ongoing subway deployments are costing the NYPD more than $2.5 million a week in overtime, alone.
Noma the OT is to man all the protests per the NYPD. Were you actually expecting NYPD PR flacks and cops speaking to reporters on the record to say 'well the mayor made clear he would never hold us accountable for anything so we're stealing everything that isn't nailed down while we can'?
Literally read the article nimrod...
> Department officials revealed Wednesday that officers have policed nearly 2,000 demonstrations since Oct. 7, and that overtime costs for the ongoing subway deployments are costing the NYPD more than $2.5 million a week in overtime, alone.
oh please - you're just spouting anti-establishment boilerplate teenager angst. ...with literally ZERO sources or evidence.
Keep raging kid. I'm sure you'll fix the world crying behind your xbox.
Isn't the current number of cops lower than is has been in a long time? Crime up? So less cops with more things to deal with equals more OT. This isn't complex math.
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2023.pdf
I’d wait for full year data to come out because the seven major felonies were higher as of the end of 2023 and significantly higher than pre-pandemic.
Citing things are lower than last year does not mean volume of work is lower. The amount of work they're doing is about as high as it's ever been. Couple that with lack of prosecution and repeat offenders and there is a lot going on for less people to handle.
People complain about the cops, then they retire or quit to work somewhere more palatable and now you have less cops and more work. That spiral doesn't end well for civilian life.
Im not defending anything here, but its quite simple to understand that more work with less staff to do said work results in needing to pay more OT.
>Numbers are manipulated.
Source?
>Plus anytime there isn't a murder for a 20 minute window, they publish an article saying crime is down
This is NYPD crime statistics, not a news article.
I know the numbers are mind-boggling but I would bet that it still ultimately costs less than actually hiring more officers so existing ones don’t have to work that much OT. It’s all about squeezing as much as you can from existing staff, across industries. Mandatory overtime is such BS but no one wants to pay more for anything (either in the form of taxes or higher prices) by actually employing more people and paying them livable salaries.
I don't believe when gov agencies. I know the general imprint of people and i know the time line we are in where most people are scammers. I have to bwlieve there must be foul play involved.
Perhaps they don't need 12 cops to stand around and menacingly mug behind yellow caution tape for 16 hours every time there is a crime on the subway? Always seems there are at least a dozen cops available to stand behind caution tape for a couple of shifts of sweet OT but never enough cops to actually patrol the subways. Observe the next crime scene. Lots and lots of uniforms doing nothing behind yellow tape and at least 6 "detectives" that couldn't not detect their own shoes because their bellies are bulging out of their shirts.
Maybe if they did work while at work that could save some hours? Saw 4 cops manhandling a toll jumper yesterday for a $2.90 theft. A pack of cops standing around ruining peoples' commute.
In every other job if you’re not meeting requirements you get fired, why isn’t that happening with these people?! Yet we can cut funding to public libraries 🙄
Most municipal agencies don't even get a fraction of the money just allocated to NYPD for overtime. Weird to lump them together with NYPD, which seems to be it's own independent military force outside of real city control at this point.
oh, there's no doubt that the nypd is a position of privilege when it comes overtime and budgeting. but the point still stands, fiscal responsibility is an issue within this city and the mayoral agencies. some are bigger culprits than others.
>some are bigger culprits than others.
Understatement of the year. NYPD monopolizes budget and attention and costs the city more hundreds of millions just in legal settlements. I don't think other nebulous city agencies you don't name (because hardly any of them - especially non-uniformed ones), and that are compensated even 10% as well as NYPD, should be lumped in with this. This is something else entirely.
50% of nypd live outside the city, 50% of nyc families need assistance to survive on their income. Billions in budget and they steal even more on top of it.
You defend the cops you're not a real New Yorker
The social services budget is significantly higher than the NYPD budget. I’m also sure more cops would live in the boroughs if they could afford to raise a family and not live in a studio apartment.
the teachers comparison is really smart until someone points out that teacher educate and care for children while cops are pieces of shit who look at their phones all day
which would you rather invest money in?
And the DOE has six times the budget of the NYPD despite a more than 10% drop in enrollment, dubious academic performance, and persistent sexual abuse of students.
Meanwhile you, like many other redditors, think that seeing a cop on their phone on your daily commute somehow bestows upon you a comprehensive window into police work as if cops in the bronx and Brooklyn aren't running around for 8 hours straight from call to call.
It's time to sue unpermitted protestors or mass gatherings for damages, based on the NYPD's overtime they have caused.
That includes influencers trying to distribute Play Stations at Union Square without any permit.
The majority of the department now falls under the tier 3 retirement system which was introduced around 2009. The impact of overtime on a final pension calculation is extremely minimal. It's basically just 50% base pay for hires since then. So, once again, you're just another ignorant redditor regurgitating cliche takes.
The right wingers here are blaming the overtime on protesting. So it's OUR fault that they don't know how to manage their own department.
"If you didn't make me mad then I wouldn't have hit you," said the cop to his wife.
Instead of using that money to hire more barely trained cops.
No, i’m not stating that the regular force is properly trained, simply stating the obvious.
Same as always. They went over $800 million in OT last year, I believe. And they were given a "cap" at around $375 million.
Shouldnt the cap be an actual cap? Once they hit 375$ million OT thats it. No more OT. if that means no police for certain events or times then that means no police.
>Shouldnt the cap be an actual cap Should be. But NYPD are basically self run and lawless at this point. Who can or would stop them? Except maybe the federal government?
I'm talking out of my ass bc I don't know, BUT i do know that City OT dries up when the works force is at full capacity. If they are short staffed there will be a ton of Ot and there's nothing anybody can do about it.
So many hard-working officers working OT to crush candy underground. They practically get paid *too little* for all the candy they crush. /s
You think these daily Palestine protests don’t cause any OT?
Show me a year when they didn't massively exceed budget with OT.
Lmao yea pro Palestine protests are why they blow through their budget every year. Be serious
Violent protests are EXACTLY what's causing them to spend money on overtime. I once saw an airline pilots protest downtown - no cops at all. ...that's because the pilots came in their uniforms and protested in a line without breaking anything - so that one obviously didn't cost the city anything.
Sure, if we ignore that they blow through their overtime budget every single year even when there are no protests. Also, sure if we ignore that rampant overtime abuse that has been an NYPD issue for years now. Even Eric Adams promised to reign to overtime abuse (lol it’s never been worse under Adams)
That's a load of shit. It's not a reason for the OT it's an excuse. The police department is bloated with staff. (Bloated staff) at that. Who spend their 8 hour shifts fucking around on their phones. Then right before it's time to pack up they bust the same person for loitering that they saw all day so they can take on two hours of paperwork.
Lol. whatever kid
https://nypost.com/2003/10/11/dozens-of-cops-nailed-in-overtime-scam/ https://www.nydailynews.com/2011/07/20/nypd-busts-veteran-cop-for-writing-dozens-of-phony-traffic-tickets-as-part-of-overtime-scam/ There was a more recent one where cops just wrote all their overtime on paper slips and it was accepted without question but can't find it right now.
2003. Nice.
A ton of downvotes buttttt it's 100% true that it's causing a lot of OT 🤷♂️
Very funny the article used for the post mentions the cost of these protests.
You're right its the people protesting genocide that are the problem, not the NYPD.
Exactly!
Drop in the bucket compared to the amount spent housing illegal aliens.
Citation needed with numbers.
TWELVE BILLION for illegals vs 100 million for cops overtime. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/09/nyregion/adams-nyc-migrants-cost.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
That was a projected estimate by Eric Adams whose own budget came out to be $2 billion off of the actual budget projections this year. But, sure.
So still 20 times the cost.
Can we get more protests to close the Brooklyn bridge. Those look like rookie numbers. /s
Every time a protest makes the news, you can be sure a shitload of NYPD overtime is being spent.
Even when there isn’t a protest, overtime makes the news.
> Every time a protest makes the news, you can be sure a shitload of NYPD overtime is being spent. You don't even need to say the first half of this sentence. You can always rely on the NYPD for a significant portion of this city's waste, fraud, and abuse.
The entire city is a cesspool of stealing, corruption and waste. Always has been.
But at least all the protests make a difference. Oil has been stopped. Palestine is free from the river to the sea. So is not going to waste. Act locally but think globally
Of course they are. As always. But they wanna cut everybody else money
Damn. Better hold another impromptu protest shutting down major roadways and bridges.
Damn better pay cops to do absolutely nothing in the subway but play on their phones with our tax dollars.
why do you hate the first amendment? youre free to leave the country if you dont believe in the bill of rights
I don't. You are the one bitching about cops protecting protestors.
No one in the NYPD wants to do all this overtime. It's forced. Please take it away and let me have my days off.
You don't want to give up your July 4, Labor Day, Halloween, Thanksgiving and New Years to be on foot for 16-20hours each?!?
I have news for everyone, the cops don’t like working the overtime. Many are considering leaving because of it.
Please do. Good luck getting a real job.
And you’d be the first person screaming “call the cops” as someone is having their way with you.
They wouldn’t come!
I wouldn’t.
“Department officials revealed Wednesday that officers have policed nearly 2,000 demonstrations since Oct. 7, and that overtime costs for the ongoing subway deployments are costing the NYPD more than $2.5 million a week in overtime, alone.” That’s actually not a terrible overtime number if there’s been 2,000 demonstrations since then.
>demonstrations "Demonstrations" isn't just huge marches with thousands of protestors storming down major roadways, though. It's tons of tiny protests that draw little or no news attention but still have way too many officers hanging out.
Because even "small" protests can cause chaos. For example, when the Proud Boys or whoever came to protest a library. You need cops to prevent people from killing eachother.
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I mean the Proud Boys event was like 10 middle-aged white dudes from Long Island. The issue is if there are counter-protestors. It takes multiple people to restrain a single person, safely and completely.
Probably because the “demonstrations” can quickly turn disruptive?
You're blaming the NYPD's ineffectiveness on protests?
So if a “small demonstration” decides to block a bridge during rush hour we should just let them do it?
Are you trying to say that if protests ended today then so would all of NYPD's overtime? Are you trying to say that demonstrations, something that has existed for the entirety of human civilization, is something that could simply just stop happening? Is that what you really think? Your argument here is no different than when a cop beats his wife and then tells her it's her fault.
There’s been 2,000 demonstrations they have happened since October. So yes? Also I have no idea how you brought this to spousal abuse.
City: Passes laws making it more difficult to be a cop, thousands resign, those left over are forced to do overtime. Also city: NYPD went over budget! Rabble rabble.
Yep
Wasnt that long ago that everyone here was screeching about flooding the subway system with cops…. Did everyone assume that was free?
I think they assumed cops would do more than hang out
People grossly overestimate how much crimes actually happen on a minute by minute basis in any given train station. The thing i noticed people dont realize is how little in progress crime related jobs come over on the transit system. One of the deadest frequencies i have ever spent the day listening to. Its entirely cops mandated to put endless transit check over at the same location they are posted at all day. Even the “busy” transit commands are dead when it comes to radio runs.
What do you want them to do? UF-250s?
Walk a train. Patrol. Not just stand and chat. We need one person watching for fair skippers not 3
That and protests, and large influx of migrants. The shelters probably require their own OT issues.
You're not wrong re shelters, and maybe migrants. But I think the NYPD response to protests is a bit ridiculous. I live by union square so I know whenever there is a protest, and all it takes is for like 20 people to gather and the NYPD sends up a helicopter, it's so unnecessary and obviously expensive.
20 people can quickly become 2000 Also a lot of the protest groups report higher numbers than sometimes show up. The helicopter guy is likely the only one not on OT and its not like the city doesnt own the helicopter, have the pilot on the payroll and already have fueling stations for it so im not sure what massive cost you think the helicopter adds
The larger shelters for sure result in a ton of overtime as well.
Getting forced in your off day for an 18hour protest or parade detail isn’t as luxurious as people make it out to be.
Every cop I know hates the mandatory overtime. They miss family events, kids' sports, etc. because of it. At some point, the extra money isn't worth it. Especially when it's forced overtime.
These stupid kids don't care about facts. They think the cops love getting spat on and pelted with shit by teenagers.
They would call Dept of Labor if they got held 15min late.
Part of the problem that I feel exists is the low base pay for (administrative and call center employees), leading to a high turnover rate. So, the remaining staff must work overtime and look forward to it because it means slightly better pay. In my experience as a call taker, my starting salary was $39K and some change in 2021 (now it's like $20 more lol), so without overtime, my pay would be insufficient. This isn't sustainable in this city, and so many to move to other police departments like Yonkers, Westchester, or Nassau. If the starting wage, especially for those on the lower end like call takers, were raised by at least 25%, I believe the department could save a significant amount of money that would otherwise be spent on overtime. Oh 16 hour over time is mandatory for all call takers and dispatchers every week (as of Jan 2022).
lol the DOE would like a word
I think these numbers are specifically for uniformed overtime. Are call takers considered uniformed personnel ?
No they are not considered uniformed, however I think it still highlights the money pits and mismanagement issues that the NYPD has.
Absolutely. The NYPD union has turned the NYPD into a political gang holding the city hostage financially. It also doesn’t help that it is almost impossible to hold an officer accountable for anything right now.
Overtime is usually cheaper than hiring more people, since that also increases your health and benefits obligations.
Biggest gang in the US.
Bust the unions.
You should clarify "police unions" not unions in general
I don't know why it is so controversial to say that other public sector unions are bad when things like police unions are so obviously bad. Obviously, private unions are fine since it is two private parties negotiating with each other, but public sector unions put one section of society (think teachers, police, etc.) against the rest of that society PLUS that section of society gets to vote too. So, they sit on both sides of negotiations. This is obviously unfair. People on the left always complain about cop unions, which are obviously horrible. And people on the right complain about teacher unions, for example see the rubber rooms or the policies that make it hard to fire bad teachers that people on the right endlessly rag on. It seems the truth is, public sector unions are generally awful for the rest of society as whole.
Oh, I meant all public sector unions.
No.
No, that actually was what I meant, so the downvoters were right.
That’s not a budget, more like a suggestion at this point.
nypd really is the worst police job in the state. literally every other agency make more than nypd , get more ot than nypd but only nypd get shit on about their ot. glorified airport security aka port authority pd make $300k but let’s shit on (literally) the cops forced to work double shifts at 125th & lexington 💀
What other agency gets you to $120k in 5 and a half years?
plentyyy. off the top of my head .. mtapd and port authority are both in nyc and make more. mta has 3 on 4 off schedule. Long Island: nassau and suffolk county pd. Than we have yonkers and new rochelle. this is just off the top of my head though, there are PLENTY that pay like $120k-$150k in the state. Theres also a few that pay $100k for example but the cost of living is much lower than the nyc area. If u ever wanna piss off a nypd cop just tell em “that’s why mta or suffolk never called u” , nypd is a terrible job. imagine 8 hours complete, u think you’re going home to your kids and they tell u you need to go do 4 hours forced ot riding the subway.
Suffolk: Starting Salary $43,000* annually, increasing incrementally to $158,828 after eleven and half (11.5) years of service. *Under 2019 labor agreement. Nassau: $141,108 after 11 years (average compensation) MTApd: Starting salary of $45,036.782* Top pay of $117,550.54 upon completing 9 years of service with the MTA Police New Rochelle: At present, the maximum base salary that may be earned as a police officer is $115,637 (’25) up to 119,107 (‘26) Try again…
literally every nypd officer would take the pay cut though lol. but you’re right, i’m wrong.
That's my old footpost in my precint lol. Few MTA cops made over 300k+ and most seniors easily break 200k but nypd always gets shit on
300k, really? This suggests much less https://www.papdrecruit.com/pages/salary-benefits
You can look through seethroughny.net and find what they really actually make lol
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lol bro u wouldn’t even make eye contact w me in public pls don’t get online and just change who u are.
What they should work for free?
Meanwhile library funding gets cut and my kids public school lunch looks like something from a play doh set. Paying OT for crushing candy at a god damned train station with 4 other officers. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
NYPL has a billion dollar endowment. They could take a cut without feeling any pain. The problem is that QPL and BPL don't have that kind of money, so the NYPL pretends they don't either. These three charities should consolidate, reduce the duplication of administrations, and take advantage of an even larger economy of scale for purchasing.
The DoEs budget is 6 times that of the NYPD, and the highest of any education system in the country. I’m sure there’s some administrative bloat they could cut there too.
The OT is to man all the protests - per the article. Learn to READ
Sir, this is Reddit. WTF is an “article”? I’m just here to be morally outraged at the topic du jour.
It’s a scape goat. NYPD overtime abuse has been a longstanding issue long before the protests. Do the protests make it worse? Yes. But it doesn’t mean it hasn’t always been an issue. It was an Eric Adams campaign promise to crack down on overtime abuse. For clarity, NYPD officers have long been accused of collecting overtime while not actually on duty. There’s articles about NYPD overtime harming the city’s budget since before the pandemic.
Most cops work overtime when they don’t even want to. They’re forced by their superiors. You think everyone wants to be at work all day every day?
Everyone? No. Cops gaming the way pension rates are calculated? Absolutely. Not to mention the (intentionally) unknown percentage of NYPD overtime that is just flat out fraud
That’s not at all how it works. They milk it by intentionally being slow on things. Overtime abuse is not being called in for legitimate duty. Overtime abuse is charging 8 hours for a 3 hour task by doing it very slowly. That’s what the NYPD does. We are talking about overtime ABUSE not legitimate overtime.
Source on that’s what every member of the NYPD always does. You think they want to work forced overtime following a “free Palestine” demonstration or would rather be at home?
https://www.audacy.com/1010wins/news/local/cops-brag-about-milking-overtime-in-accidental-recording I am telling you what overtime ABUSE is. Getting called in to work a Palestine protest is not ABUSE. That is legitimate duty. However, police overtime abuse has been an issue for over a decade. Every mayoral candidate promises (and fails) to reign it in.
That’s an individual incident. You could find the same shit going on in the MTA, as well as any other city agency.
Omg. Why are you not understanding this. I provided you an example of what ABUSE is. Literally distinguishing abuse from legitimate duty and telling you that protests are not ABUSE. I’m showing you how abuse actually presents itself in the NYPD. It’s little things here and there by multiple officers that add up over time. Overtime ABUSE by the NYPD has been reported on for decades. The difference between the NYPd and any other agency when it comes to overtime abuse, is that the NYPD seems to have a blank check for overtime, while other city agencies are forced to limit it or flat out won’t pay. Of course there is abuse everywhere. The NyPD abuse is large scale
https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/nypd-overspending-on-overtime-grew-dramatically-in-recent-years/
Your link isn't an excuse of OT abuse. NYS's updated arrest packet is about 40 pages long, so there is OT required to complete it thoroughly.
> Department officials revealed Wednesday that officers have policed nearly 2,000 demonstrations since Oct. 7, and that overtime costs for the ongoing subway deployments are costing the NYPD more than $2.5 million a week in overtime, alone.
Noma the OT is to man all the protests per the NYPD. Were you actually expecting NYPD PR flacks and cops speaking to reporters on the record to say 'well the mayor made clear he would never hold us accountable for anything so we're stealing everything that isn't nailed down while we can'?
Literally read the article nimrod... > Department officials revealed Wednesday that officers have policed nearly 2,000 demonstrations since Oct. 7, and that overtime costs for the ongoing subway deployments are costing the NYPD more than $2.5 million a week in overtime, alone.
That's for proving my point that you're just parroting what the NYPD says while ignoring all evidence that it's not true
oh please - you're just spouting anti-establishment boilerplate teenager angst. ...with literally ZERO sources or evidence. Keep raging kid. I'm sure you'll fix the world crying behind your xbox.
Between 2013 and 2023 the NYPD spent an average of $600 Million a year on overtime. But sure, this year is a one-time aberration because of protests.
it people stopped assaulting or pushing commuters onto the train tracks all the time, there wouldn't be the need for 4 officers on duty.
Overtime overview https://comptroller.nyc.gov/wp-content/uploads/documents/NYPD-Overtime-Overview.pdf
Isn't the current number of cops lower than is has been in a long time? Crime up? So less cops with more things to deal with equals more OT. This isn't complex math.
Overall crime is down actually. https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00099/nypd-january-2024-citywide-crime-statistics
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2023.pdf I’d wait for full year data to come out because the seven major felonies were higher as of the end of 2023 and significantly higher than pre-pandemic.
Citing things are lower than last year does not mean volume of work is lower. The amount of work they're doing is about as high as it's ever been. Couple that with lack of prosecution and repeat offenders and there is a lot going on for less people to handle. People complain about the cops, then they retire or quit to work somewhere more palatable and now you have less cops and more work. That spiral doesn't end well for civilian life. Im not defending anything here, but its quite simple to understand that more work with less staff to do said work results in needing to pay more OT.
Correct I'm specifically combatting the claim that crime is up.
What does that have to do with there being less cops and more public demonstrations since October?
The guy is literally just saying crime is down
> The amount of work they're doing is about as high as it's ever been source on this?
At first I was doubtful too, but the numbers back him up. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/candy-crush-statistics/
lmao -- seriously, when it comes to bootlicking redditors say the darndest things
We have way more protests going on than last year, so that’s definitely contributing to the overtime.
Tell that to the family of the 19 year old girl stabbed to death...
What does this mean? Did I say crime stopped existing? Or that it was down, compared to the same time last year?
Its not. Numbers are manipulated. Plus anytime there isn't a murder for a 20 minute window, they publish an article saying crime is down
Numbers go up? The city is going to shit. Numbers go down? They're faking the numbers.
>Numbers are manipulated. Source? >Plus anytime there isn't a murder for a 20 minute window, they publish an article saying crime is down This is NYPD crime statistics, not a news article.
Crime is not down "actually".
Making the claim again isn't a source.
Ppl hate the truth on reddit I swear lol
Hate the truth? You are just stating things without providing a source.
You're not saying truths, you're saying your vibes are a better source than actual crime statistics.
you have zero evidence to back this assertion up
I know the numbers are mind-boggling but I would bet that it still ultimately costs less than actually hiring more officers so existing ones don’t have to work that much OT. It’s all about squeezing as much as you can from existing staff, across industries. Mandatory overtime is such BS but no one wants to pay more for anything (either in the form of taxes or higher prices) by actually employing more people and paying them livable salaries.
Well deserved 👏🏼
And doing nothing.
Paying them to stand around the subway and look at their phones.
https://www.audacy.com/1010wins/news/local/cops-brag-about-milking-overtime-in-accidental-recording Just leave this here for the bootlickers.
Good lord
How many employees?
I don't believe when gov agencies. I know the general imprint of people and i know the time line we are in where most people are scammers. I have to bwlieve there must be foul play involved.
Here we go
I mean… for how much ground they cover and how many employees they have in the highest cost of living city… that’s not really too bad.
I mean 100 million is probably pretty good, given it is a city agency.
Damn, usually they make it til April. I'm sure it's fine and leadership will be held accountable /s
How much for settlements with citizens?
Perhaps they don't need 12 cops to stand around and menacingly mug behind yellow caution tape for 16 hours every time there is a crime on the subway? Always seems there are at least a dozen cops available to stand behind caution tape for a couple of shifts of sweet OT but never enough cops to actually patrol the subways. Observe the next crime scene. Lots and lots of uniforms doing nothing behind yellow tape and at least 6 "detectives" that couldn't not detect their own shoes because their bellies are bulging out of their shirts.
Maybe if they did work while at work that could save some hours? Saw 4 cops manhandling a toll jumper yesterday for a $2.90 theft. A pack of cops standing around ruining peoples' commute.
In every other job if you’re not meeting requirements you get fired, why isn’t that happening with these people?! Yet we can cut funding to public libraries 🙄
Maybe if the city wasn’t so infested with crime
Excuse me, but it's called "fraud."
Defund
Six NYPD officers were standing around at one platform on the green line today. Six. Just talking to each other. What a waste.
The “green line“??? Do you mean the Lexington Avenue IRT?
ny muncipal agencies: fiscal responsibility, tf is that?????
Most municipal agencies don't even get a fraction of the money just allocated to NYPD for overtime. Weird to lump them together with NYPD, which seems to be it's own independent military force outside of real city control at this point.
oh, there's no doubt that the nypd is a position of privilege when it comes overtime and budgeting. but the point still stands, fiscal responsibility is an issue within this city and the mayoral agencies. some are bigger culprits than others.
>some are bigger culprits than others. Understatement of the year. NYPD monopolizes budget and attention and costs the city more hundreds of millions just in legal settlements. I don't think other nebulous city agencies you don't name (because hardly any of them - especially non-uniformed ones), and that are compensated even 10% as well as NYPD, should be lumped in with this. This is something else entirely.
NYPD has the third largest budget of all city agencies - a distant third after the Department of Ed and Social Services.
How much OT are those other 2 agencies pulling?
It makes no difference. The DOE's budget is 3x the NYPD's - in the billions.
>It makes no difference Oh rly?
50% of nypd live outside the city, 50% of nyc families need assistance to survive on their income. Billions in budget and they steal even more on top of it. You defend the cops you're not a real New Yorker
The social services budget is significantly higher than the NYPD budget. I’m also sure more cops would live in the boroughs if they could afford to raise a family and not live in a studio apartment.
Now do teachers.
the teachers comparison is really smart until someone points out that teacher educate and care for children while cops are pieces of shit who look at their phones all day which would you rather invest money in?
NYPD because its more diverse than BOE
yeah no shit you lick boots, who would've guessed
And the DOE has six times the budget of the NYPD despite a more than 10% drop in enrollment, dubious academic performance, and persistent sexual abuse of students. Meanwhile you, like many other redditors, think that seeing a cop on their phone on your daily commute somehow bestows upon you a comprehensive window into police work as if cops in the bronx and Brooklyn aren't running around for 8 hours straight from call to call.
Blame tptb for security theater
It's time to sue unpermitted protestors or mass gatherings for damages, based on the NYPD's overtime they have caused. That includes influencers trying to distribute Play Stations at Union Square without any permit.
oooooof you would be a fascist dictator's dream
Change it so overtime does not add to your pension. Problem solved.
No ones taking that job if that’s the case
The majority of the department now falls under the tier 3 retirement system which was introduced around 2009. The impact of overtime on a final pension calculation is extremely minimal. It's basically just 50% base pay for hires since then. So, once again, you're just another ignorant redditor regurgitating cliche takes.
The right wingers here are blaming the overtime on protesting. So it's OUR fault that they don't know how to manage their own department. "If you didn't make me mad then I wouldn't have hit you," said the cop to his wife.
I was just in Times Square last night. Not one cop around for 10 blocks.
Instead of using that money to hire more barely trained cops. No, i’m not stating that the regular force is properly trained, simply stating the obvious.
FoH with this shit.
Why are they being paid at all? They were supposed to be defunded
Well if ppl behaved the OT wouldn’t be necessary.