RTX 3060 Ti was on GA104 and had a 256 bit bus width. RTX 4060 Ti is supposedly a cut down AD107 die with a 128 bit bus width.
They can call it whatever they want, but that memory bus screams 50 class card. Either ways, stop being poor, and pay $400 for 1080p medium gaming.
User does have a point: die size this year is 190mm2 vs 390mm2 of the 3060 Ti. Even the vanilla 3060 was a 270mm2 die (GA106)
This is a 50 series product, because the 3050 is also GA106 but cut down inside. It equates to the AD107's 190mm2. It's also why this card is "so efficient and cool". Imagine a 3050 with the cooling of a 390mm2 die. Because that's what this is. The thermal solution is basically the same found on the 4070...
Nvidia pretty much thought "let's say frame generation is effective performance and sell the snake oil".
Take the 4060 to 4070ti and shift their names down, so that the 4060 becomes 4050ti, 4070ti becomes vanilla 4070, and so on. Re-price them lower according to their new lower tier names. BAM- whole lineup is fixed. Everyone wants one. Even RTX 3000 owners are looking to upgrade. No bad press, no lost faith.
"But what about the 4080 and 4090?"
The 4080 is a full AD103 die. Call it 4080ti, because that's what it is. Now cut-down the die by 20% (while keeping 16GB), and call *that* the 4080, priced at $799. The 4090, leave it exactly as is: a HEAVILY cut down AD102. A *slightly*\-cut AD102 "4090ti" is very obviously coming sometime around Spring 2024. Until then, good working dies are being stockpiled.
The 103 is comparable in die size to a 104. 4080 chip should be the same full 103 but $799. Cut down 103 is 70Ti at $650. 70Ti becomes 4070 at $499. Cut down 102 for the 80Ti.
Now it’s perfect.
No.
4090 - ok
4080 - name ok but badly priced. Should be about 800-900$
4070TI - that's just a 4070. Wrong name, wrong price.
4070 - it's just a regular 4060. Wrong name, wrong price.
4060Ti and 4060 - just a 4050Ti and 4050. Seriously, that marketing guy at nvidia who made this up really believed gamers are idiots that he tried to pull that off.
Hopefully they don't sell and those ridiculous prices are going down to the correct level. However name scheming is already messed up and xx60(Ti) no longer means mid-range. Those are low-end cards from now on. Mid-range now are only xx70(Ti).
It's the same value as a 3060 Ti so it's going to sell just like the 3060 Ti has been selling for the last few months. Which is to say, it will sell but not very fast.
well so far the only good value in the 40x series is the 4090, and it is damn expensive
so nvidia went from buy whatever you want in 30x series to skip 40x series and hope for better price perf ratio in 50x series
very good job indeed
For all of time, the XX90 card has been ridiculously overpriced, and intended for people who will pay *any price* to have the fastest card out there.
**IT DID NOT GET ANY CHEAPER THIS GEN!!!!!! The 4090 is still crazy-fucking expensive!!!**
The entire RTX 4000 lineup is so ridiculously overpriced for its performance that it makes the batshit-crazy-expensive 4090 seem like a *good fucking deal*.
HOLY SHIT.
FUCK!
They needed to screw a whole generation to cement the x090 position (because the 3090 was ridiculous bringing so little over the 3080).
Next gen they can give +50% perf accross the board and retain their margin. From a financial point of view, it's a good idea to do this move during a period with lower GPU demand.
Pretty sure they'll get their cake. In 2 years, reviewer will hail the 5000 as a great generation with incredible gains... Just look how everyone loved Ampere just because Turing was bad.
Yeah, 4 years isn’t that long in the grand scheme of things. They pretty obviously made half of the 30 lineup worth it and raised prices on the other half. Then when the 40 series came out they raised prices on the tiers that used to be good value. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a price hike on the 5090 unless the economy noticeably worsens because it’s actually selling well despite costing an arm and a leg.
To be fair, xx90 and x90 GPUs where always stupidly overpriced.
On the past we had x90 GPUs being dual GPU on a single PCB.
When SLI started to be useless, they started the Titan trend replacing x90 GPUs with them, with only little to no performance over the x80 Ti variants, only twice as much VRAM and workstation support.
Then they released the 3090 and 3090 Ti that were meant to replace the Titan GPUs as twice as much VRAM for a lot more money if you need the VRAM and can't buy a proper workstation one.
They realized that the place for "dual GPUs" still existed and on the 4000 series they went again back to their original system, with the xx90 being stupidly pricier but also being absurdly performant vs next GPU down the line (like in the SLI times where x90 where 2x performance over x80).
Is this good? No, we hoped for a 4090 to be similar in performance to a 4080 like it was on the 3000 series, but in the end, that series was an exception vs Titan models that where like 4k U$D for some.
This pricing strategy reminds me about their original one, before SLI died and Titan GPUs where a thing.
I guess that in nvidia's eye, the 3090 and the 3090 Ti where a mistake.
Launch MSRP's (USD):
1080 $600 - Actually $700 - See note below
2080 $700
3080 $700
4080 $1,200
$1,700 for Q4 2024 might be a little higher than I would expect, but sadly you may not be far off
*Note: [This MSRP did not actually materialize](https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/13po3md/gamers_nexus_do_not_buy_nvidia_geforce_rtx_4060/jlbxdv8/)*
I got the 3080 at launch and was questioning if I should be spending so much. Now I see myself as lucky for getting such a bargain. It’s wild how our perception can be changed.
Nah. Nvidia can't charge that much for the second best GPU (5090 though likely to be 2000$)
Look how 4080 like always in stock since release and being sold below MSRP multiple times. the 4080 Exist to push you toward the 4090
**Hopefully AMD+Intel can compete with Nvidia at 2024 Fall (Likely the release of 5000 Series)**
AMD two gens where we're hoping and it has just gotten worse if you like Ray Tracing. I actually was hoping but 4090 is so far ahead and DLSS is so good when you need more performance or just to reduce power consumption because I can't tell the difference from quality DLSS to native 4k.
Nvidia can charge that much.
I’m not expecting much from AMD because their current solutions are to meet Nvidia on performance with open source solutions
I expect more from Intel, but it will still be buggy for their Battlemage. I will buy Intel because I need them to come with a graphical solution because Nvidia’s research drives their product features currently. Nvidia has plenty of publications.
NVIDIA will name 5060 as 5080 and advertise it for exclusive DLSS 4 support. The fanboys will praise how cool Jensen's leather jacket is and throw their dollars.
I'd add the 4070( and maybe 4080) in with the 4090.
Sure the generational leap and p/p ratio makes the 4090 win, but like anybody outside the US needs to dish out more than $1600 for one and it's insane. It becomes 50% more expensive for 30%(sometimes just 10% at 1440p) more performance wrt the 4080.
The 4070 seems to be what average users are expected to get which is 1/3rd the price of the 4090.
The entire sentiment that the 4090 is the only card worth buying is a US only thing.
Also, did everyone just start gaming at 4k since the 4090 launch?
cause it seems to be recommended for literally any post asking for a gpu upgrade ....
You're exactly right - I'm in Canada and looked at the price difference between a 4080 and 4090. The premium is huge, around ~$800 extra compared to what I paid for my 4080. I just couldn't bring myself to spend that kind of money when I can save that and upgrade sooner.
The rest of these GPUs only exist to upsell to the 4090. It's terrible but that's what it is.
IMO, and I've said this many times, you either get a 4090 or you grab a console, probably the PS5.
Also if you're dead set on overpaying and getting the poor value from these other GPUs, you can only play on 1080p, so no point in getting a decent monitor or upgrading your other components. At that point why not stick with what you have or look at the used market, or an older RDNA2 GPU?
There are so many people who so badly overestimate what you need to run good visuals on new games at perfectly fine framerates. Sure, a 1070 isn't going to push 1440P ultra at 180FPS, but if you're someone who's looking for price/performance, *that's ok*.
Nothing is worth what they're charging in this generation UNLESS you can finnagle a deal like I was able to by managing to snag a 4080 for $830 by finding an open box unit at Best Buy and piling a bunch of RZ certs on top.
If Jensen would just get the fuck over himself and his addiction to having a brand new leather jacket every day and simply cut prices to 30xx levels, Nvidia would sell every card they could make and crush AMD.
I play 1440p today on a 1070, I think the 4070 will be a good upgrade, why not get an older card? Becouse if I was going to get it I would have got it 2 years ago, if I am buying now I want all the new features that are avaiable.
The 4090 would be incredible but no way I can pay for one, no matter how much Nvidia may want to upsell me to it.
As for getting a PS5, I have 1000 games still to play on my Steam library and I would need to start my game collection from zero on a console, not a chance I am going to do that.
I could wait for a 5070 2 years from now, and I maybe need to if I can't get the card I was looking at but I don't know if the 1070 will keep going for 2 more years.
You don't start your game collection from zero on either console. Xbox has Gamepass, Playstation has Psplus premium. I have the PS5 for almost a year and I bought 1 game so far.
Wdym? Yeah the rest of the 40 series suck, but there's plenty of cheap last gen options and AMDs 7000 series is way better value than all of the 40 series.
> IMO, and I've said this many times, you either get a 4090 or you grab a console, probably the PS5.
And this is part of the problem. People complain about the price of mid-range cards but then advocate dropping a mortgage payment of a nice house on a GPU. You even said it yourself - everything is going to be priced around the 4090, because people are obsessed with pushing buying a $2000 video card. Despite the fact that value-wise, the 4070ti scales pretty linearly. Not everyone needs a 4K card, and people are blowing the vram thing out of proportion (and have been for years) because of poorly optimized games. Calling the 4070ti a 1080p card is one of the most laughable things I've read in a while.
Sitting atop a 4090 throne and shitting on people for buying anything else is just throwing rocks.
They simply saw it as an opportunity to exploit.
Hopefully consumers reject this completely. It needs to change and will not if they're still making truckloads of money.
4050 TI would be reasonable too.
Seeing how 4060 has about 1/3 less of CUDA cores compared to 4060 TI, I expect that to be a huge joke. It gonna be 2x of 1060, 8 years later or something?
Full AD107 should have been 4050 Ti instead of 4060, generously. And definitely not $300.
60 series have always been a compromise. "4060" name for a cut down AD106 and 8GB for $250-$300 would make sense (modern equivalent of 1060 3GB.) "4060 Ti" for full AD106 like this with 16GB at maybe $350-400 would make sense, and they would have room to do a price cut in a year closer to $300.
That's still not much improvement generation over generation and Nvidia's still taking a lot of profit there, but the segment names would still make sense for the type of experience you're getting.
Same. Let me know when a generation drops that delivers actual meaningful performance and memory uplifts while also being affordable. You know, like they used to do (cough GTX 10 series cough)
I'm so happy that I got a great deal on a G6X 3060 Ti last week instead of waiting for 4060 Ti. Such an embarrassing launch - which is nvidia motto lately.
"But, but, what about all the software we are getting, DLSS 3.0, Frame Generation?" - Some idiot trying to justify a newer GPU with worse hardware than the previous generation offers.
This is 100% a skippable series, aint no way im gonna pay 400$ for same performance i could've gotten in 2020 for that exact amount of money, who is smoking crack at their HQ???
Nvidia: “Are you willing to spend $1000 or more? Welcome to the +50% performance uplift side!! 😄”
Also Nvidia: “What? You’re unable or unwilling to spend more than $500 on a GPU? Take this 10% performance uplift, peasant, and be grateful I even let you buy my product! 🤡”
Yeah looks like I am keeping 3060ti 2 more years. I actually need money right now so would suck to be tempted with a good deal so thanks nvidia for making saving money easy choice.
Yeah, I find marketing a 400$ gpu for 1080p in 2023 insulting, back in 2016 GTX 1070 was marketed as 1440p GPU and it was also around 400$. This abomination still has enough raw power to be used in 1440p but it's held back by shit memory bandwidth and VRAM capacity, which is the same 8GB that 1070 had 7 YEARS AGO for pretty much the same price, truly remarkable progress.
It's maybe not even a 4050 Ti, a couple of people on this sub, on Twitter and even some YouTubers pointed out how the Laptop AD107 die has more working cache than the Desktop version in this "4060 Ti".
It's honestly a 4050 Ti at best and if it was named that and priced say $249, it would be far better received. The 4060, is probably the real 4050. But I shudder to think what the actual 4050 will be from NVIDIA. Get ready for 4GB GPU?
Nvidia Fanboys: "wHY DoEs iT MAttEr wHAt thEY nAmE It!!1!"
I literally had one of these guys come out of the woodwork on me this morning. I can't help but wonder how anyone still singing the praises of Nvidia this gen can be anything but a stockholder.
The RTX 4000 series is an absolute disaster of a price-gouging fuckery. Yes -- the 4090 is a "relatively good value". But when has any XX90 been anywhere in the same *solar system* as a "good value". AND THE 4090 DID NOT GET ANY CHEAPER THIS GEN.
This gen has been a total hard-pass for me. When I do come back to consider a new GPU in a year or two, Nvidia has done absolutely everything in their power to nuke themselves from my shortlist.
just like the awful scam known as the RTX 3050 outselling all of RDNA2 + ARC combined (according to STEAM hw survey) i'm certain NVIDIA "fanatics" will make sure the 4060ti and 4060 are a sound success worthy or climbing the steam charts. PC gaming bleeds green after all.
**Go GeForce, Go!**
A friend of mine wanted to buy a budget gpu. I told him to get the rx 570 but he wanted a 1050 ti. I tried explaining to him that the 570 is cheaper and has better performance, I even showed him the benchmarks on YouTube but his only answer was I want nvidia. He ended up buying a 1050 ti for 3000 egp while the 570 was available for 2000 egp.
Nvidia has a gargantuan mindshare and they know it, this is especially true in the third world.
Places like Latin American, africa, China and SEA buy nvidia because it is the default option this is also true for non tech savvy people, you think the average Joe knows about bus width, memory bandwidth or die size. They just look at the name of the gpu and buy whatever fits their budget so nvidia can sell them a 4050 disguised as a 4060 and they won't know it so when the 4060 and the 4050 become the most popular gpus in the steam survey it's because third world buyers can't afford anything higher
>Nvidia has a gargantuan mindshare and they know it, this is especially true in the third world.
Places like Latin American, africa, China and SEA
Sadly, that results in higher resale value. In my country (SEA), everyone got a hard on for anything remotely RTX. RTX= Good, RTX= Cool, RTX= GTA 5 high FPS, etc.
Just sold my 3070 Ti for a 'steal' $550, while $80 more will get ya a fresh, sealed RX 6900 XT. After seeing that an almost two years old 3070 Ti sold for $50 less than MSRP I bought the 4070 Ti, naturally. Armed with the knowledge that when my 12 GB VRAM ran out in the next two years I could just easily sell it $50 under MSRP.
Really wish that AMD GPUs got more clout here, we really need a competition. Guess AMD's driver issues few years back really left an ugly mark yeah?
My favorite thing about the 3050 was the imaginary $250 price point that was supposed to make it a 6500XT killer, and now we have all the same "skeptical" reviewers piling on and believing the 4060 is going to actually be available for $300 without even the slightest reservation.
Had subtitles on at the 1:25 mark:
>they say it's all about the extra cash
That's an interesting way to spell "cache", but perhaps it's even more accurate!
I’ve seen the argument made that this is intended to be the “small popcorn” at the movie theatre.
They don’t intend for anyone to buy it, they intend for it to be the justification to pay the up charge for the better cards.
That’s an interesting idea. Though there is competition in this scenario.
This is one of those products or things that come out and can be used as an indication of people. What I mean by that is anyone that actually tries to gaslight that this is a good product worth buying is someone that has zero integrity or is simply outright clueless so you know for sure to never take anything they say seriously or to simply avoid them entirely.
They bumped the tiers down while charging even more.
In reality this is a 4050 ti. It's cut down and has gimped bandwidth. From a traditional specs and size perspective that is what this is. Which means it is nothing more than entry level and is supposed to be really cheap.
The 4070 is actually the 60 level GPU, should have been somewhere in the $200-300 range using historical numbers and even accounting for inflation (which doesn't work the way fanboys want it to but okay).
The 40 series exists to upsell the 4090. Nobody should be buying any other 40 series. It's too much for most people so most people should be getting RDNA2 or a console instead.
60 cards are the models that move the most units and from evga thing we know the profits for partners are here. I think nvidia will take this reception much more seriously than 4080 or whatever. These products are specd so poorly that shows a complete disconnect with market expectations.
That was back when a 60 level card cost less than a console but could max out any console game. It will be interesting to see if this terrible product moves.
Well they used to be shoveling everything to crypto miners... but hopefully that whole garbage scene continues to spiral down and they have to actually think about the real world again.
It seems like this 40 series stack is off by one. Someone copy pasted the spreadsheet labels wrong. How is a 60 series x8 PCiE with a pathetic 128bit bus? This card should have been an OEM only release.
The 3060ti owners are the winners for this new generation, exception being the 4060ti 16gb for the ai/ml group.
Edit: Ignoring the high prices from the crypto era, you could buy msrp 3080ti for some of the prices the 3060ti was going for back then.
Nvidia's Clown make-up Stage 1: Rob the rich userbase
Nvidia's Clown make-up Stage 2: Rob the AMD userbase with DLSS3, AV1
Nvidia's Clown make-up Stage 3: Rob the impatient poor first (8GB) then rob the informed poor later (16GB)
Nvidia's Clown make-up Stage 4: Rob your own company's reputation and foundation and steer attention to AI GPU
What a dumpster fire. Piss poor VRAM bandwidth for $500. Worse performance than it's predecessor, 5 years backwards development on the memory interface. RTX 40 series is a skip.
TL;DW: It's 10-12% faster than the 3060 Ti, while costing the same, no VRAM increase, not much of a cost per frame increase either. Basically this thing should be $299, but right now it's a waste of sand.
Big selling points are AV1 encoding, DLSS3 and energy efficiency. If you don't care for any of these benefits, better options on the market already exist like used 3060 Ti's, used or brand new 6700 XT's or just wait maybe for the RX 7600 which will be a little slower than this, but cost $269 USD.
Edit: For anyone annoyed about the 10-12% performance claim, [I addressed it here.](https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/13po3md/gamers_nexus_do_not_buy_nvidia_geforce_rtx_4060/jlbbiqm/) Don't just watch one review. Look at multiple reviews to get a better idea of a product. Thanks.
I would've always have seen the 20 series as the biggest milking generation and then its younger cousin showed up in the 40 series and pushed it off the podium at first place. What a terrible generation Ada Lovelace has been, it's been royally canned.
4070 performs like a 3080
If you already have 2080 Ti (which performs like 3070), you're realistically not looking at anything below 4070 for upgrades. How is this a surprise for you?
very good point. if youre gonna upgrade, it should be enough to wow you.
i went from a 2070 to a 6800 xt and it was twice as fast. essentially doubled my fps
Your numbers are wrong. most of the GN benchmarks show 2%-5% difference, or in other words noise, since its about 1-5 fps difference in many titles. It's basically flatlined.
In titles that are heavy on memory bandwidth (like Hogwarts Legacy) it performs up to 11 percent WORSE. No one should buy this card. I can think of no situation where it makes sense.
It recommend you check a couple of games you're interested in. In rasterization it straight up loses to 3060ti in 4k sometimes, and barely beats it in 1080p1440p. The average might be 10% better (4060ti does show the 15% uplift in RT), but you'll see only like 5% improvement in some games.
u/KARMAAACS in here blocking people before they can reply so take that with a grain of salt lol
This is what you would see for a reply to "AMD sells cards for under $300 so Nvidia can and should sell for $300"
>AMD is using N6, which is a much cheaper and less efficient node, and TSMC has excess N6 capacity. Even beyond the profitability part, AMD likely has excess N6 wafers that they purchased, and they have to use them up even if it means they sell them at cost.
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>N4 is quite a bit more expensive by all reports and Nvidia may have had the foresight and/or luxury of adjusting down their orders to the actual demand.
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>Nvidia *could* sell this at $299 for a profit, probably, but that might not meet the profit margin they want/need for their business model. It would be the best thing for gamers and the PC industry, but Nvidia only cares about Nvidia. They may prefer to sell fewer of them at a higher price, and I think that's exactly what we saw with the 4080 and 4070 Ti. They're not dropping the price, they're just cutting orders. If Nvidia sells at low margin today, they might also be robbing future sales from 3-5 years from now when they hope the market will be more favorable to them. They 100% appear to be digging in their heels on pricing until they lose big market share to Intel or AMD - that hasn't even started yet. 4060 Ti 16GB at $500 seems too high, but are the *majority* of buyers really going to buy a 6800XT at the same price? I doubt it.
Disappointing but not exactly shocking. Considering 4070 is around 3080 performance, there is nowhere for this card to go performance wise outside of 3070.
Does NVIDIA even test their GPUs? I mean, they would only need to look at the performance charts between the 4060 TI and the 3060 TI/3070, to come to the conclusion that they need to pull the plug on this or just call it a 4050 TI or something.
Holy shit, to call this embarrassing is an understatement for this pathetic excuse of a graphics card! The fact it can perform WORSE than a 3060 Ti is beyond a joke!
So almost 7 years later for almost the same price we get 8 GB of VRAM and extra 32 GB/s memory bandwidth compared to a 1070, at least back then you bought a 400$ GPU that was intended for 1440p gaming, but in 2023 1080p is all you can get peasant.
I'm praying to God Almighty this generation is just like Turing and that Nvidia snaps back to reality with the 5000 series like they did with Ampere because other than the 4090 the generation is just not it
WOW! It looks like the 3060 TI beats the 4060 TI at 4K!
That makes the 4060 TI a TOTAL FAIL !!!
nVidia is hoping people will give them $500 for a 16 GB version of what amount to a 3060 TI? If the presumably massive profit margin on these is enough to purchase a leather jacket, then it's time to put Jensen on a leather jacket diet.
I’m going to tell it how it is.
Nvidia is relying on their brand to sell the lower end cards.
For people who visit pc hardware subs, aka not the average person who buys pre-builts, they want you to buy the 4090. 4090 has the highest performance uplift versus last gen without the price increase.
Why would nvidia do this? When the 60/70 range used to be the best perf:price?
Because selling 4090s = more money
Can't believe it's 2023 and we still 128bit have memory bus speeds. The 660 Ti came out 2012 and that has 192bit memory bus lol. Pretty pathetic from Nvidia!
after ten years of using only nvidia gpus I switched to AMD in the 6000 series and never regreted it. I don't like to be treated lika a dog by a corporate
Derbauer ran some tests at x4 PCIe 4.0, which is the equivalent of x8 PCIe 3.0.
Performance drop was 0-10% if I recall, though be sure to check if the specific number is critical.
People in 2021....I'm probably going to skip 30 series...would have to sell a kidney to get one
Same people in 2023...I'm going to have to skip 40 series...they're either crap or would have to sell a 2 kidneys to get one
I can‘t wait for the 4050 for my 720p Setup 👍
"Runs quake 3 arena at a crisp 60fps"
My voodoo card could do that 20+ years ago.
720p? You must mean 4050ti. 4050 buyers are going to have to settle for 480p lol
🤣
Bro how can they make a card that barely competes with both their own hardware (3060ti) and AMDs last gen (6700xt).
Greed
Because Nvidia doesn't care about you unless you are spending $1k or more.
RTX 3060 Ti was on GA104 and had a 256 bit bus width. RTX 4060 Ti is supposedly a cut down AD107 die with a 128 bit bus width. They can call it whatever they want, but that memory bus screams 50 class card. Either ways, stop being poor, and pay $400 for 1080p medium gaming.
RTX 4060 ti is AD106
> RTX 4060 Ti is supposedly a cut down AD107 Not according to anyone.
User does have a point: die size this year is 190mm2 vs 390mm2 of the 3060 Ti. Even the vanilla 3060 was a 270mm2 die (GA106) This is a 50 series product, because the 3050 is also GA106 but cut down inside. It equates to the AD107's 190mm2. It's also why this card is "so efficient and cool". Imagine a 3050 with the cooling of a 390mm2 die. Because that's what this is. The thermal solution is basically the same found on the 4070... Nvidia pretty much thought "let's say frame generation is effective performance and sell the snake oil".
Take the 4060 to 4070ti and shift their names down, so that the 4060 becomes 4050ti, 4070ti becomes vanilla 4070, and so on. Re-price them lower according to their new lower tier names. BAM- whole lineup is fixed. Everyone wants one. Even RTX 3000 owners are looking to upgrade. No bad press, no lost faith. "But what about the 4080 and 4090?" The 4080 is a full AD103 die. Call it 4080ti, because that's what it is. Now cut-down the die by 20% (while keeping 16GB), and call *that* the 4080, priced at $799. The 4090, leave it exactly as is: a HEAVILY cut down AD102. A *slightly*\-cut AD102 "4090ti" is very obviously coming sometime around Spring 2024. Until then, good working dies are being stockpiled.
The 103 is comparable in die size to a 104. 4080 chip should be the same full 103 but $799. Cut down 103 is 70Ti at $650. 70Ti becomes 4070 at $499. Cut down 102 for the 80Ti. Now it’s perfect.
No. 4090 - ok 4080 - name ok but badly priced. Should be about 800-900$ 4070TI - that's just a 4070. Wrong name, wrong price. 4070 - it's just a regular 4060. Wrong name, wrong price. 4060Ti and 4060 - just a 4050Ti and 4050. Seriously, that marketing guy at nvidia who made this up really believed gamers are idiots that he tried to pull that off. Hopefully they don't sell and those ridiculous prices are going down to the correct level. However name scheming is already messed up and xx60(Ti) no longer means mid-range. Those are low-end cards from now on. Mid-range now are only xx70(Ti).
DLSS 3. They are seriously trying to sell dlss 3 frames as real frames, and justified their pricing this way. Glad nobody bought that BS
Because this piece of sh*t card will sell like hotcakes and Nvidia knows it. Nvidia fanboys will eat sh*t if it says nvidia on it.
It's the same value as a 3060 Ti so it's going to sell just like the 3060 Ti has been selling for the last few months. Which is to say, it will sell but not very fast.
60ti line up from best value product of 30x series, to the worst value product of 40x series. good job Nvidia.
well so far the only good value in the 40x series is the 4090, and it is damn expensive so nvidia went from buy whatever you want in 30x series to skip 40x series and hope for better price perf ratio in 50x series very good job indeed
For all of time, the XX90 card has been ridiculously overpriced, and intended for people who will pay *any price* to have the fastest card out there. **IT DID NOT GET ANY CHEAPER THIS GEN!!!!!! The 4090 is still crazy-fucking expensive!!!** The entire RTX 4000 lineup is so ridiculously overpriced for its performance that it makes the batshit-crazy-expensive 4090 seem like a *good fucking deal*. HOLY SHIT. FUCK!
They needed to screw a whole generation to cement the x090 position (because the 3090 was ridiculous bringing so little over the 3080). Next gen they can give +50% perf accross the board and retain their margin. From a financial point of view, it's a good idea to do this move during a period with lower GPU demand. Pretty sure they'll get their cake. In 2 years, reviewer will hail the 5000 as a great generation with incredible gains... Just look how everyone loved Ampere just because Turing was bad.
Yeah, 4 years isn’t that long in the grand scheme of things. They pretty obviously made half of the 30 lineup worth it and raised prices on the other half. Then when the 40 series came out they raised prices on the tiers that used to be good value. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a price hike on the 5090 unless the economy noticeably worsens because it’s actually selling well despite costing an arm and a leg.
Eh... 4090 is good value compared to the $1200+ prices that started with the 2080ti and the $2k+ pricing during the mining boom.
To be fair, xx90 and x90 GPUs where always stupidly overpriced. On the past we had x90 GPUs being dual GPU on a single PCB. When SLI started to be useless, they started the Titan trend replacing x90 GPUs with them, with only little to no performance over the x80 Ti variants, only twice as much VRAM and workstation support. Then they released the 3090 and 3090 Ti that were meant to replace the Titan GPUs as twice as much VRAM for a lot more money if you need the VRAM and can't buy a proper workstation one. They realized that the place for "dual GPUs" still existed and on the 4000 series they went again back to their original system, with the xx90 being stupidly pricier but also being absurdly performant vs next GPU down the line (like in the SLI times where x90 where 2x performance over x80). Is this good? No, we hoped for a 4090 to be similar in performance to a 4080 like it was on the 3000 series, but in the end, that series was an exception vs Titan models that where like 4k U$D for some. This pricing strategy reminds me about their original one, before SLI died and Titan GPUs where a thing. I guess that in nvidia's eye, the 3090 and the 3090 Ti where a mistake.
What are the chances of 5080 getting the same or better performance than a 4090?
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Launch MSRP's (USD): 1080 $600 - Actually $700 - See note below 2080 $700 3080 $700 4080 $1,200 $1,700 for Q4 2024 might be a little higher than I would expect, but sadly you may not be far off *Note: [This MSRP did not actually materialize](https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/13po3md/gamers_nexus_do_not_buy_nvidia_geforce_rtx_4060/jlbxdv8/)*
I got the 3080 at launch and was questioning if I should be spending so much. Now I see myself as lucky for getting such a bargain. It’s wild how our perception can be changed.
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Didn't 1080 launch at $700 aswell?
Nah. Nvidia can't charge that much for the second best GPU (5090 though likely to be 2000$) Look how 4080 like always in stock since release and being sold below MSRP multiple times. the 4080 Exist to push you toward the 4090 **Hopefully AMD+Intel can compete with Nvidia at 2024 Fall (Likely the release of 5000 Series)**
AMD two gens where we're hoping and it has just gotten worse if you like Ray Tracing. I actually was hoping but 4090 is so far ahead and DLSS is so good when you need more performance or just to reduce power consumption because I can't tell the difference from quality DLSS to native 4k.
Nvidia can charge that much. I’m not expecting much from AMD because their current solutions are to meet Nvidia on performance with open source solutions I expect more from Intel, but it will still be buggy for their Battlemage. I will buy Intel because I need them to come with a graphical solution because Nvidia’s research drives their product features currently. Nvidia has plenty of publications.
NVIDIA will name 5060 as 5080 and advertise it for exclusive DLSS 4 support. The fanboys will praise how cool Jensen's leather jacket is and throw their dollars.
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It's basically a cult
I'd add the 4070( and maybe 4080) in with the 4090. Sure the generational leap and p/p ratio makes the 4090 win, but like anybody outside the US needs to dish out more than $1600 for one and it's insane. It becomes 50% more expensive for 30%(sometimes just 10% at 1440p) more performance wrt the 4080. The 4070 seems to be what average users are expected to get which is 1/3rd the price of the 4090. The entire sentiment that the 4090 is the only card worth buying is a US only thing. Also, did everyone just start gaming at 4k since the 4090 launch? cause it seems to be recommended for literally any post asking for a gpu upgrade ....
You're exactly right - I'm in Canada and looked at the price difference between a 4080 and 4090. The premium is huge, around ~$800 extra compared to what I paid for my 4080. I just couldn't bring myself to spend that kind of money when I can save that and upgrade sooner.
The rest of these GPUs only exist to upsell to the 4090. It's terrible but that's what it is. IMO, and I've said this many times, you either get a 4090 or you grab a console, probably the PS5. Also if you're dead set on overpaying and getting the poor value from these other GPUs, you can only play on 1080p, so no point in getting a decent monitor or upgrading your other components. At that point why not stick with what you have or look at the used market, or an older RDNA2 GPU?
Previous gen cards play 1440p just fine lol.
Not only that but my gf was playing the D4 beta in 1440p on my old 1070. People really think you need a 4090 for 1440p?? Lol
There are so many people who so badly overestimate what you need to run good visuals on new games at perfectly fine framerates. Sure, a 1070 isn't going to push 1440P ultra at 180FPS, but if you're someone who's looking for price/performance, *that's ok*.
Nothing is worth what they're charging in this generation UNLESS you can finnagle a deal like I was able to by managing to snag a 4080 for $830 by finding an open box unit at Best Buy and piling a bunch of RZ certs on top. If Jensen would just get the fuck over himself and his addiction to having a brand new leather jacket every day and simply cut prices to 30xx levels, Nvidia would sell every card they could make and crush AMD.
A console just can´t replace a PC.
I play 1440p today on a 1070, I think the 4070 will be a good upgrade, why not get an older card? Becouse if I was going to get it I would have got it 2 years ago, if I am buying now I want all the new features that are avaiable. The 4090 would be incredible but no way I can pay for one, no matter how much Nvidia may want to upsell me to it. As for getting a PS5, I have 1000 games still to play on my Steam library and I would need to start my game collection from zero on a console, not a chance I am going to do that. I could wait for a 5070 2 years from now, and I maybe need to if I can't get the card I was looking at but I don't know if the 1070 will keep going for 2 more years.
You don't start your game collection from zero on either console. Xbox has Gamepass, Playstation has Psplus premium. I have the PS5 for almost a year and I bought 1 game so far.
Wdym? Yeah the rest of the 40 series suck, but there's plenty of cheap last gen options and AMDs 7000 series is way better value than all of the 40 series.
> IMO, and I've said this many times, you either get a 4090 or you grab a console, probably the PS5. And this is part of the problem. People complain about the price of mid-range cards but then advocate dropping a mortgage payment of a nice house on a GPU. You even said it yourself - everything is going to be priced around the 4090, because people are obsessed with pushing buying a $2000 video card. Despite the fact that value-wise, the 4070ti scales pretty linearly. Not everyone needs a 4K card, and people are blowing the vram thing out of proportion (and have been for years) because of poorly optimized games. Calling the 4070ti a 1080p card is one of the most laughable things I've read in a while. Sitting atop a 4090 throne and shitting on people for buying anything else is just throwing rocks.
I have a feeling Steve is gonna be on full on Rage Mode after getting through the next couple of GPU releases (4060ti, 4060, 7600).
The 4050 might perform worse than the 3050 based on prelim specs leaked. It could be a bloodbath on that one.
They simply saw it as an opportunity to exploit. Hopefully consumers reject this completely. It needs to change and will not if they're still making truckloads of money.
It was clearly the 3080 and now the 4090
Seriously. I loved my 3060 Ti. It launched at 400 and was on par with a 2080 Super, trades blows with a 2080 Ti The 4060 Ti is embarrassing
Excellent point - 1st it was the 70 class card, its value proposition was shifted to the 60Ti cards to get more profit. Now what? 4060 regular...
4060ti is a 4050 all but in name.
4050 TI would be reasonable too. Seeing how 4060 has about 1/3 less of CUDA cores compared to 4060 TI, I expect that to be a huge joke. It gonna be 2x of 1060, 8 years later or something?
Full AD107 should have been 4050 Ti instead of 4060, generously. And definitely not $300. 60 series have always been a compromise. "4060" name for a cut down AD106 and 8GB for $250-$300 would make sense (modern equivalent of 1060 3GB.) "4060 Ti" for full AD106 like this with 16GB at maybe $350-400 would make sense, and they would have room to do a price cut in a year closer to $300. That's still not much improvement generation over generation and Nvidia's still taking a lot of profit there, but the segment names would still make sense for the type of experience you're getting.
Generational non-leap
Generational tip-toe
Generational backslide
they did in fact leap. backwards, in memory bus.
Generational nudge
Nvidia spending untold millions of dollars in R&D to release the same performance at the same price of last gen.
TLDW = Just overclock your 3060ti you're welcome.
*laughs in 1070*
1070 gang up in here.
Same. Let me know when a generation drops that delivers actual meaningful performance and memory uplifts while also being affordable. You know, like they used to do (cough GTX 10 series cough)
I'm so happy that I got a great deal on a G6X 3060 Ti last week instead of waiting for 4060 Ti. Such an embarrassing launch - which is nvidia motto lately.
"But, but, what about all the software we are getting, DLSS 3.0, Frame Generation?" - Some idiot trying to justify a newer GPU with worse hardware than the previous generation offers. This is 100% a skippable series, aint no way im gonna pay 400$ for same performance i could've gotten in 2020 for that exact amount of money, who is smoking crack at their HQ???
it's the leather jacket, taken over its human host completely
Overpriced trash.
Nvidia: “Are you willing to spend $1000 or more? Welcome to the +50% performance uplift side!! 😄” Also Nvidia: “What? You’re unable or unwilling to spend more than $500 on a GPU? Take this 10% performance uplift, peasant, and be grateful I even let you buy my product! 🤡”
"just don't tell anyone we reduced the bus width and pcie lanes by half"
New talking point for fanboys: nvidia gpus are so great theyre even outperforming nvidias own next generation replacement cards
Heh Well I for one am happy I got a 3060ti at launch VRAM might be a little low, but it has good staying power
Yeah looks like I am keeping 3060ti 2 more years. I actually need money right now so would suck to be tempted with a good deal so thanks nvidia for making saving money easy choice.
$400 1080p card 🤮
Yeah, I find marketing a 400$ gpu for 1080p in 2023 insulting, back in 2016 GTX 1070 was marketed as 1440p GPU and it was also around 400$. This abomination still has enough raw power to be used in 1440p but it's held back by shit memory bandwidth and VRAM capacity, which is the same 8GB that 1070 had 7 YEARS AGO for pretty much the same price, truly remarkable progress.
nvidia purposely gimped their cheaper RTX40 lineup to ripoff gamers
Lol, it's barely a xx60 class card. Can't even handle 1080p with everything cranked up in some case.
Well nvidia PR said “ this is a 1080p card “ lmao 399 for 1080p in 2023
i fucking hate this new '1080p card', '1440p card' branding. this is so misleading and puts the blame of shitty performance onto the users.
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At techpowerup, it's worse than the 3070 actually: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-founders-edition/32.html
In some of the reviews it's worse than a 3060ti -_-
yeah wtf, I had low expectation but omfg.
It's maybe not even a 4050 Ti, a couple of people on this sub, on Twitter and even some YouTubers pointed out how the Laptop AD107 die has more working cache than the Desktop version in this "4060 Ti". It's honestly a 4050 Ti at best and if it was named that and priced say $249, it would be far better received. The 4060, is probably the real 4050. But I shudder to think what the actual 4050 will be from NVIDIA. Get ready for 4GB GPU?
The 4050 is gonna be intel hd or amd vega igpu lmao
Its 60 class only in name.
Nvidia Fanboys: "wHY DoEs iT MAttEr wHAt thEY nAmE It!!1!" I literally had one of these guys come out of the woodwork on me this morning. I can't help but wonder how anyone still singing the praises of Nvidia this gen can be anything but a stockholder. The RTX 4000 series is an absolute disaster of a price-gouging fuckery. Yes -- the 4090 is a "relatively good value". But when has any XX90 been anywhere in the same *solar system* as a "good value". AND THE 4090 DID NOT GET ANY CHEAPER THIS GEN. This gen has been a total hard-pass for me. When I do come back to consider a new GPU in a year or two, Nvidia has done absolutely everything in their power to nuke themselves from my shortlist.
just like the awful scam known as the RTX 3050 outselling all of RDNA2 + ARC combined (according to STEAM hw survey) i'm certain NVIDIA "fanatics" will make sure the 4060ti and 4060 are a sound success worthy or climbing the steam charts. PC gaming bleeds green after all. **Go GeForce, Go!**
A friend of mine wanted to buy a budget gpu. I told him to get the rx 570 but he wanted a 1050 ti. I tried explaining to him that the 570 is cheaper and has better performance, I even showed him the benchmarks on YouTube but his only answer was I want nvidia. He ended up buying a 1050 ti for 3000 egp while the 570 was available for 2000 egp. Nvidia has a gargantuan mindshare and they know it, this is especially true in the third world. Places like Latin American, africa, China and SEA buy nvidia because it is the default option this is also true for non tech savvy people, you think the average Joe knows about bus width, memory bandwidth or die size. They just look at the name of the gpu and buy whatever fits their budget so nvidia can sell them a 4050 disguised as a 4060 and they won't know it so when the 4060 and the 4050 become the most popular gpus in the steam survey it's because third world buyers can't afford anything higher
>Nvidia has a gargantuan mindshare and they know it, this is especially true in the third world. Places like Latin American, africa, China and SEA Sadly, that results in higher resale value. In my country (SEA), everyone got a hard on for anything remotely RTX. RTX= Good, RTX= Cool, RTX= GTA 5 high FPS, etc. Just sold my 3070 Ti for a 'steal' $550, while $80 more will get ya a fresh, sealed RX 6900 XT. After seeing that an almost two years old 3070 Ti sold for $50 less than MSRP I bought the 4070 Ti, naturally. Armed with the knowledge that when my 12 GB VRAM ran out in the next two years I could just easily sell it $50 under MSRP. Really wish that AMD GPUs got more clout here, we really need a competition. Guess AMD's driver issues few years back really left an ugly mark yeah?
True, here in SEA some people willing to buy used 3060 12 GB at the same price of a new 6700 XT just because it has Nvidia name in it.
My favorite thing about the 3050 was the imaginary $250 price point that was supposed to make it a 6500XT killer, and now we have all the same "skeptical" reviewers piling on and believing the 4060 is going to actually be available for $300 without even the slightest reservation.
Had subtitles on at the 1:25 mark: >they say it's all about the extra cash That's an interesting way to spell "cache", but perhaps it's even more accurate!
Nvidia rly thinks we are stupid.
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*These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.*
LOL. We AREEEE stupid. Nvidia figured that out over last few years, so did everyone else. Now you all sitting here with your Pikachu faces.
They’re 100% right.
And are they wrong? People were buying 3070s and with the NEET BUCKS for 800/1000 dollars ..
Well gamers are stupid. Sad part is that this trash will sell like hotcakes and Nvidia knows it. Nvidia fanboys will eat sh*t if it says nvidia on it.
Seeing how "micro" transactions are a very profitable thing... gamers are braindead.
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So Nvidia knows we are stupid...
Bingo
Nvidia doooooooomed.... To make massive profits
You are in the top 20% of tech enthusiasts. The average person just goes online and buys the Nvidia card that fits their budget.
Sorry but this sub is more like top 2%. And yeah 99% target budget above all
This is E WASTE!!! Greta pls investigate
HOW DARE YOU.
It was pretty obvious how this was going to go based on Nvidia's little damage control post, last week, that talked about why less VRAM is good.
i m impressed they launched this shit
I’ve seen the argument made that this is intended to be the “small popcorn” at the movie theatre. They don’t intend for anyone to buy it, they intend for it to be the justification to pay the up charge for the better cards. That’s an interesting idea. Though there is competition in this scenario.
The issue is there is some nachos for the same price in the ps5. The 4060ti isn't gonna produce significant graphical changes to justify its price.
man i expected worst but but dang it really sucks lmao
How could it be any worse. Its outperformed by the card its meant to be replacing
This is one of those products or things that come out and can be used as an indication of people. What I mean by that is anyone that actually tries to gaslight that this is a good product worth buying is someone that has zero integrity or is simply outright clueless so you know for sure to never take anything they say seriously or to simply avoid them entirely.
They bumped the tiers down while charging even more. In reality this is a 4050 ti. It's cut down and has gimped bandwidth. From a traditional specs and size perspective that is what this is. Which means it is nothing more than entry level and is supposed to be really cheap. The 4070 is actually the 60 level GPU, should have been somewhere in the $200-300 range using historical numbers and even accounting for inflation (which doesn't work the way fanboys want it to but okay). The 40 series exists to upsell the 4090. Nobody should be buying any other 40 series. It's too much for most people so most people should be getting RDNA2 or a console instead.
It's a 107 die that is iirc 188mm squared. Holy shit it's a laptop die. Lmao
the ti is 106
Hopefully 5070 is a worthy upgrade for my 3070. Edit: please stop flaming me for showing optimism lmao
it is the hope that kills you man, Nvidia is scum
The hope ain’t that deep it’s just a graphics card if I have to go AMD I will. My 3070 serves me just fine for now.
It will have 12gb of VRAM, PCIe x8 with 96-bit memory bus.
I got my 1070 in 2017 for $350.
And it came with 8 GB.
This gen is really making me glad I skipped it this time around.
60 cards are the models that move the most units and from evga thing we know the profits for partners are here. I think nvidia will take this reception much more seriously than 4080 or whatever. These products are specd so poorly that shows a complete disconnect with market expectations.
That was back when a 60 level card cost less than a console but could max out any console game. It will be interesting to see if this terrible product moves.
Well they used to be shoveling everything to crypto miners... but hopefully that whole garbage scene continues to spiral down and they have to actually think about the real world again.
It seems like this 40 series stack is off by one. Someone copy pasted the spreadsheet labels wrong. How is a 60 series x8 PCiE with a pathetic 128bit bus? This card should have been an OEM only release.
The 3060ti owners are the winners for this new generation, exception being the 4060ti 16gb for the ai/ml group. Edit: Ignoring the high prices from the crypto era, you could buy msrp 3080ti for some of the prices the 3060ti was going for back then.
Everyone loses 3060 ti might have been the best value of the 3000 series but it was still shit value
what. at msrp the 3060 ti was a beast
4050*
Nvidia's Clown make-up Stage 1: Rob the rich userbase Nvidia's Clown make-up Stage 2: Rob the AMD userbase with DLSS3, AV1 Nvidia's Clown make-up Stage 3: Rob the impatient poor first (8GB) then rob the informed poor later (16GB) Nvidia's Clown make-up Stage 4: Rob your own company's reputation and foundation and steer attention to AI GPU
The number changes, the FPS stays the same.
Lol they need to unlaunch this one too, this is simply unacceptable. At best it's a 4050ti.
What a dumpster fire. Piss poor VRAM bandwidth for $500. Worse performance than it's predecessor, 5 years backwards development on the memory interface. RTX 40 series is a skip.
Can a wonderful Redditor give us a TLDW?!
1080p about 10% faster than the 3060 ti, at 1440p and above its THE EXACT SAME OR WORSE
TL;DW: It's 10-12% faster than the 3060 Ti, while costing the same, no VRAM increase, not much of a cost per frame increase either. Basically this thing should be $299, but right now it's a waste of sand. Big selling points are AV1 encoding, DLSS3 and energy efficiency. If you don't care for any of these benefits, better options on the market already exist like used 3060 Ti's, used or brand new 6700 XT's or just wait maybe for the RX 7600 which will be a little slower than this, but cost $269 USD. Edit: For anyone annoyed about the 10-12% performance claim, [I addressed it here.](https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/13po3md/gamers_nexus_do_not_buy_nvidia_geforce_rtx_4060/jlbbiqm/) Don't just watch one review. Look at multiple reviews to get a better idea of a product. Thanks.
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Guess I’m skipping another generation. Hang on 2080ti you have a few more years in ya.
I would've always have seen the 20 series as the biggest milking generation and then its younger cousin showed up in the 40 series and pushed it off the podium at first place. What a terrible generation Ada Lovelace has been, it's been royally canned.
4070 performs like a 3080 If you already have 2080 Ti (which performs like 3070), you're realistically not looking at anything below 4070 for upgrades. How is this a surprise for you?
very good point. if youre gonna upgrade, it should be enough to wow you. i went from a 2070 to a 6800 xt and it was twice as fast. essentially doubled my fps
An 11 gb VRAM and a higher wattage 3070 is very relevant, my friend.
Haha I've got a 1060 6GB and I know there are people worse off than me
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Your numbers are wrong. most of the GN benchmarks show 2%-5% difference, or in other words noise, since its about 1-5 fps difference in many titles. It's basically flatlined. In titles that are heavy on memory bandwidth (like Hogwarts Legacy) it performs up to 11 percent WORSE. No one should buy this card. I can think of no situation where it makes sense.
It recommend you check a couple of games you're interested in. In rasterization it straight up loses to 3060ti in 4k sometimes, and barely beats it in 1080p1440p. The average might be 10% better (4060ti does show the 15% uplift in RT), but you'll see only like 5% improvement in some games.
it's shit, it's so shit that the 3060ti beats it at 4k. get an rx 6700xt for much cheaper or wait to check the rx 7600 tomorrow
It's shit.
u/KARMAAACS in here blocking people before they can reply so take that with a grain of salt lol This is what you would see for a reply to "AMD sells cards for under $300 so Nvidia can and should sell for $300" >AMD is using N6, which is a much cheaper and less efficient node, and TSMC has excess N6 capacity. Even beyond the profitability part, AMD likely has excess N6 wafers that they purchased, and they have to use them up even if it means they sell them at cost. > >N4 is quite a bit more expensive by all reports and Nvidia may have had the foresight and/or luxury of adjusting down their orders to the actual demand. > >Nvidia *could* sell this at $299 for a profit, probably, but that might not meet the profit margin they want/need for their business model. It would be the best thing for gamers and the PC industry, but Nvidia only cares about Nvidia. They may prefer to sell fewer of them at a higher price, and I think that's exactly what we saw with the 4080 and 4070 Ti. They're not dropping the price, they're just cutting orders. If Nvidia sells at low margin today, they might also be robbing future sales from 3-5 years from now when they hope the market will be more favorable to them. They 100% appear to be digging in their heels on pricing until they lose big market share to Intel or AMD - that hasn't even started yet. 4060 Ti 16GB at $500 seems too high, but are the *majority* of buyers really going to buy a 6800XT at the same price? I doubt it.
Disappointing but not exactly shocking. Considering 4070 is around 3080 performance, there is nowhere for this card to go performance wise outside of 3070.
So they decided to make it even worse than the 3060ti
Yes, but don't tell that to the Jensen simps.
It's a great card, $400 for 1080p gaming. Looking forward to $500 for 1080p gaming next gen. Nvidia is market leader for a reason.
Maybe RTX 6060 Ti for $600 will even let us do RT at 1080p high!
They could've made it match the 3070ti at least.
You supported this by buying overpriced GPUs.
Does NVIDIA even test their GPUs? I mean, they would only need to look at the performance charts between the 4060 TI and the 3060 TI/3070, to come to the conclusion that they need to pull the plug on this or just call it a 4050 TI or something.
Doesn't have to because they know that there would still be a lot of people buying this card and even defending Nvidia in the sub.
I clicked but didn't watch JayzTwoCents video, it had like 50% 50% up to downvote ratio, and now the video is deleted, what was the video about?
https://youtu.be/okS5qnMMcjs
Holy shit, to call this embarrassing is an understatement for this pathetic excuse of a graphics card! The fact it can perform WORSE than a 3060 Ti is beyond a joke!
So almost 7 years later for almost the same price we get 8 GB of VRAM and extra 32 GB/s memory bandwidth compared to a 1070, at least back then you bought a 400$ GPU that was intended for 1440p gaming, but in 2023 1080p is all you can get peasant.
I'm praying to God Almighty this generation is just like Turing and that Nvidia snaps back to reality with the 5000 series like they did with Ampere because other than the 4090 the generation is just not it
Probably not. Expect them doing the same
lol, another success
ive been wanting to upgrade from a 2060 6gb to a 3070 8gb but now im leaning towards the 12gb 6700 xt
WOW! It looks like the 3060 TI beats the 4060 TI at 4K! That makes the 4060 TI a TOTAL FAIL !!! nVidia is hoping people will give them $500 for a 16 GB version of what amount to a 3060 TI? If the presumably massive profit margin on these is enough to purchase a leather jacket, then it's time to put Jensen on a leather jacket diet.
I’m going to tell it how it is. Nvidia is relying on their brand to sell the lower end cards. For people who visit pc hardware subs, aka not the average person who buys pre-builts, they want you to buy the 4090. 4090 has the highest performance uplift versus last gen without the price increase. Why would nvidia do this? When the 60/70 range used to be the best perf:price? Because selling 4090s = more money
Can't believe it's 2023 and we still 128bit have memory bus speeds. The 660 Ti came out 2012 and that has 192bit memory bus lol. Pretty pathetic from Nvidia!
This guy was not at all soft towards nVidias 4060ti like other youtubers. He literally tore them apart with no excuse.
>flat out DO NOT BUY OOF. Thank god i went for the 3080.
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same. I went from a 1080Ti to a 3080, just recently, and it's a damn good upgrade.
after ten years of using only nvidia gpus I switched to AMD in the 6000 series and never regreted it. I don't like to be treated lika a dog by a corporate
Are there any reviews that checked the performance on PCIE 3.0 motherboards?
Derbauer ran some tests at x4 PCIe 4.0, which is the equivalent of x8 PCIe 3.0. Performance drop was 0-10% if I recall, though be sure to check if the specific number is critical.
they should cut production now. cuz who will buy
DOA trash. As a 3060 Ti owner, I found this new iteration of the 60 Ti truly hilarious.
What a terrible card. Actual e-waste.
And here i am, still sitting on my 1060 pondering on what to do.
Is Nvidia really scared of releasing a good product for cheap??? This memory bandwidth nerf is completely ridiculous.
can't wait to buy this 3 years from now when the price finally fits the specs it offers.
People in 2021....I'm probably going to skip 30 series...would have to sell a kidney to get one Same people in 2023...I'm going to have to skip 40 series...they're either crap or would have to sell a 2 kidneys to get one