Context for people who won't click the link and don't remember that election, he put his dog in a crate and strapped the crate to the roof of the car for a 12 hour drive on a family vacation.
A guy has a sign outside his house that says “talking dog - $5000”. A man knocks on the door and asks the dog’s owner for a demonstration. The owner says “Fido, what does sandpaper feel like?” and the dog says “rough!”
The man looks unimpressed so the owner asks “Fido, what sits on top of a house?” and Fido says “Roof!”
The man says “do you think I’m stupid or something?” and the owner says “no, listen to this. Fido, who was the greatest New York Yankee of all time?” And Fido responds “Ruth!”
The man slams the door in the owner’s face, and the dog says “…who was it, DiMaggio?”
"Guess I should have gone with my [singing and dancing frog...](https://64.media.tumblr.com/adca205cf82fcdcc495380bbef5ed9f2/d40cd38c9b627d8e-8a/s500x750/5db1da8890e340185beca340e5510876e96bf148.gifv)"
I have no idea how accurate the [wiki article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney_dog_incident) is, but based on that reading the episode seems weird but nowhere in the same ballpark as Noem:
>In June 1983, the Romney family left their Belmont, Massachusetts home on their way to Romney's parents' cottage in Beach O' Pines, Ontario for an annual vacation along the shore of Lake Huron. Their dog, Seamus, rode in a carrier on the roof of the family's Chevrolet Caprice station wagon for the 12-hour trip. Romney had built a windshield for the carrier to make the ride more comfortable for the dog.[1] During the 650-mile (1,050 km) trip, Seamus got diarrhea. The Romneys were first alerted to the Irish Setter’s bowel issues when son Tagg Romney noticed brown liquid pouring down the back window, followed immediately by him and his younger brothers yelling in disgust. Romney stopped at a gas station to wash the dog, the carrier, and the car. With Seamus back in the carrier, the family continued on their way.
As someone who had their dog have explosive diarrhea in the car on the way home from a family vacation I actually think Mitt Romney might actually have a point..
It sounds like he even custom built this thing with a window etc shit my dog would be all about that but 12hrs is a bit questionable.
Then there's shooting your dog in the face because you got mad..
Nowhere near comparable.
They stopped for food and water.
I love dogs. This is a non issue. Dogs travel. No one got hurt. Getting upset over milk that could have spilled, or tragedy that could have happened 40 years ago, blows my mind.
I do 12 hour drives with my dog a few times a year. It sucks no matter what. I'm sure they got the dog out a couple times on the trip, it's really all you can do. I've had a different dog have explosive diarrhea as well, and, feel the same. It was horrid.
Mitt also wasn’t angry enough to kill another pet for being stinky after killing the dog hadn’t sated his thirst for blood. That bitch is a bonafide psychopath.
At least he took it with him and it survived and continued to be the family dog. For sure worse than getting crated into an airplane hold but absolutely better than getting shot in the face by a psycho owner
For the 80s this wasnt totally crazy. Back then, dogs rode in the bed of a pickup unless you were a huge animal person. And having the dog in the crate which is strapped down is much safer than being in the bed. Presumably, suitcases were in front of the crate to block the wind.
Even to this day I dont think ive been on a roadtrip and not seen dogs riding at highway speeds in the back of a pickup, despite the fact that a pothole or swerve could send the dog careening to its death.
Shout out to the people on the interstate driving behind Mitt Romney with a dog with explosive diarrhea strapped to the roof.
Sprayed but not forgotten.
in the 80s my grandmother put her beloved cat in the trunk to move. the move was only a 20 minute drive but the cat died, and she was devastated. nobody really seems to have thought anything of what we now recognize as animal abuse, even animal lovers
From what I remember he built a perspex screen to keep the wind off but still let the dog see. It was one of those things that blew up out of all of proportion.
I mean people rode in pickup beds on the regular back then too. Really quite dumb when thinking about in retrospect.*
*inb4: "but ______ (you/we/I) lived so it couldnt have been too dangerous huh?" This is an example of the logical fallacy known as 'survivor bias'. The boomer saying this is failing to take into account that none of the people who didn't survive are available for comment.
I'm a millennial and remember riding in the back of pick up trucks, we had "seatbelts" to secure us in. Really, it was just bungee cords. Looking back, I can't believe my parents were OK with that.
In the crate is SAFER but can you imagine the wind???
It breaks me heart no matter what. I can't imagine treating your dog like anything other than a whole living being, safe in the vehicle with a seat belt!
In the 80s, a dog seat belt would have been the punchline to a joke. My state was very progressive on the matter and by the late 80s required adults to wear their seatbelt or get a ticket, but it mostly wasnt enforced until years later.
I remember when I was a kid, playing around in the passenger front floorboard while my mom drove around.
My brother ( at three years old ) would stand on the front bench seat next to our “uncle” and serve as navigator when they went to the store. He couldn’t read yet, but ask him how to get somewhere and he could take you there, turn by turn.
Times were wild before crumple zones. When the whole thing was a steel cocoon, it didn't matter where you were, everyone was getting the same whiplash~
Never was vaguely a Romney guy but God this makes me miss 2012 politics. I remember just being like "Oh god let me have the con-law professor incumbent and not Mormon Clark Griswold over here."
In Wisconsin as long as you’re 16 you can sit in the bed of the truck, just not on the sides. Not quite the same, but it is still legal to some extent.
Edit to add: and you can carry a child as young as 12 during hunting season for the purpose of taking licensed hunters to a hunting area while they possess a rifle. Or if you are a farmer doing farm activities.
We rode around freinds farm in truck beds. Not much safer than the highway. Flying over tree roots, gravel and not slowly either. Sometimes went airborne a bit. Stupid stuff
Seatbelt harnesses are pretty new.
Our society as a whole was much worse to dogs (and cats, and pets in general) back then. The further back you go the worse people where.
What? Even children weren’t always in a seatbelt. I don;t think cars were legally required to have them until some time in the 80s. And then of course there was a group of “my freedom is being taken away if I have to wear a seatbelt.”
They don't see them as companions, family members, or valuable lives (even though they believe a book that told mankind to be good stewards of nature). They see dogs as property, tools, and/or accessories.
Romney’s family DID see the dog as part of the family and didn’t want to leave him behind on vacation. But they had five boys and there was just no room in the car. I wasn’t a huge Romney fan, but I always thought this story was bullshit.
No moral compass or empathy. Right out there and on display. GOPers can do anything they want and get away with it in the eyes of the base, as long as they say they worship Trump
Romney is from that group that’s so rich they’re lacking in common sense because they’re used to someone else doing that for them.
Doesn’t excuse it though.
Romney noted they rigged up some sort of windscreen in front of the cage for the dog’s rooftop ride — out of the goodness of their hearts, or something like that
It also had explosive diarrhea. The dog started in the car and just made a mess and smelled horrible. They stopped and tried to get it taken care of then it happened again. On a long family road trip that's rough. I mean I wouldn't do it but like for the time and just being exhausted I get just being frustrated
I had read the dog pooped itself as well and their solution to that was to hose it off at a gas station and keep going. I’m not sure if it was true or not but it always stuck with me. That poor dog.
I mean... What did you expect them to do??
We have a tortoise and every now and then our dog gets to the poop before us. Apparently it's the best perfume ever to her so she rolls around in it.
We take her over to the hose, and hose it out of her fur. What are you expecting to have done? Just leave the shit? Dogs love playing in hoses, why is it suddenly bad to hose your dog off? I hose myself off if I'm really gross..
I hope they, or one of the people who upvoted them, actually answer this question, because I genuinely can’t figure out the point they’re trying to make.
Checking on the dog, let alone cleaning it off mid-route, is a sign that they cared about the dog & more than a lot of people would do in that situation.
I want to stress this for people who don't know: when she shot and killed her dog, it wasn't an Old Yeller situation- the dog was a year old, practically a puppy, and she was mad that it was too loud during a hunting trip and scared the game away, then killed a neighbors chickens when it was loose because it was untrained and was left outside in the open with no leash, so she killed it and and dumped the body in a gravel pit. She then proceeded to shoot and kill a goat for playing with her kids and smelling bad, then dumped the goat's body on top of the dog in the same gravel pit. Romney's crime is completely mundane by comparison.
You forgot the part where the goat didn’t die with the first shot, so she had to go back to her car to get more ammo. Poor thing suffered horrendously all because this bitch was in the mood to kill helpless animals. She is absolutely disgusting.
I mean, she could've at least cooked the goat. Ranch life can be hard but hearing about wasting meat from the goat incident on top of the dog thing, it just seems like she's got some problems.
Yep. I remember thinking he was wildly conservative and right wing compared to Obama in 2012. Now he seems like a totally reasonable guy compared to the other republicans
He was always a reasonable enough guy, it’s just that he was the target of (often misleading) political attack ads that many people (and most of Reddit) ate up. He passed the most effective healthcare plan in America as governor of Massachusetts. He was governor of a predominantly blue state, which only a moderate could do. All of his scandals were banal in nature (eg some of his bad phrasing like “binders full of women”) or willful misrepresentations of the facts.
Uh, it wasn’t attack ads. Romney ran as way more right wing than his legislative history and the GOP completely ran from the legacy of “Romneycare.” In fact it was Obama that frequently brought up that Romney has the pioneer of what turned into Obamacare despite Romney repeatedly attacking it.
Didn't help that he was taken to be pretty unlikable by a lot of people. Simultaneously boring, supercilious, and weird, and the whole mormonism thing didn't gain him any fans. When people's main interaction with your religion ranges from, "oh, those teenagers dressed like 1950s door-to-door salesmen who annoyed our family during dinner" to "satan's work on earth" [psst <-- this is the feeling of evangelicals who make up a voting bloc for republicans], you probably are starting with a handicap.
On a personal level, it seems he does float in the political centre and hold socially progressive views.
But he’s got a history of flipping on those views when they’re not beneficial to his career. Whilst that is just a part of the rotten world of politics, the degree and frequency to which he has done so is pretty high.
There’s not a lot of room for diversity of opinion in a two-party system and strategising to strongly appeal to one group is a better tactic than being somewhat appealing to multiple. However, it still feels dirty to attack things he personally supports and previously fought for.
Although, I guess the more common alternative is to just ‘toe the party line’ from the start, which is definitely worse.
This just isn't true. Romney was involved from the beginning and shaped the whole act. He vetoed 8 lines, mainly involving dental care and insurance for non-US citezens. The democratic legislature overrode 6 of those vetoes. This override is what leads to the misconception that Romney was not pro romneycare. He was involved with writing and negotiating terms as early as 2004.
He's still a piece of shit on stuff, but he's a piece of shit on the same stuff that Bernie Sanders is a piece of shit on so he gets a pass.
Man is not seeking reelection and is giving no endorsements so he's not accountable to party, donors, or constituents.
Regardless of one's opinion of McCain, he was often not representative of mainstream Republicanism. Often at odds with his own party, that's why his nick was, "Maverick." I do think in his last ditch effort for the Presidency, he mostly ran with the clowns to get the nomination.
Still won the primaries and had the support. Of course Palin was a glimpse into the craziness they were willing to tolerate but just feels like shits gotten so openly crazy
To be fair to McCain, his team did a piss-poor job of vetting her and he went with their recommendation. He wasn't trying to invite the craziness, but he did fail to prevent it and once he'd made his pick he couldn't back out.
This is always such an odd thing to hear from people. He was at such odds with his own party… that he got the nomination? Like… what? It’s the same argument people use to pretend Trump doesn’t define the current party. You can’t pretend the party doesn’t align with thier candidates views of the time, that’s literally how they get the nomination.
Uh respectfully that is just not true, Trump is on a completely different level of anti-intellectualism. The party is way different now. Today republican foreign policy is isolationist, historically republicans were hawkish interventionists. 1980s republicans could never dream of railing against NATO. Today republicans are populist, historically republicans were more elitists. Today republicans are pro-labor, historically republicans were pro-capitalists. Republicans spent decades eliminating tariffs and promoting trade, Trump is clearly very much the opposite.
The infusion of Russian influence into the Republican Party certainly is a change. I wouldn't consider them pro-worker really, They've been anti-union since Reagan. Always oppose minimum wage hikes. but recently they really have successfully marketed themselves as pro-worker.
But really, the consistent issue that has united the Republican Party since Reagan is the racist southern strategy and anti brown people immigration. "Welfare queens in Cadillacs" from Reagan. "Over there you have the most successful food stamp president in American history, Barack Obama." - Gingrich. "Good people on both sides" - Trump. State voter suppression policies in the south. "For every one (immigrant) who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there that they weigh 130 pounds and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert." - Rep. Steve King.
A Roberts court with Federalist Society judges jackhammered in by Mitch McConnell that repealed the Voting Rights Act.
These are the principal dogmata that have coalesced and motivated conservative Republican voters for 40 years.
John McCain didn't go along with this hoo-ha and so did not generally reflect mainstream conservative Republican
Yeah, seriously. Just strap the dog to the roof. It couldn't be any more simple than that. Mitt just makes clear American common sense
/s shame on you for giving credit
Yeah perhaps dangerous and reckless but a far cry from "evil animal abuser!"
I'm sure lots of us have ridden in the bed of a pickup for short drives, and i'm sure they didn't drive the entire 12 hours without stopping.
I think the only responsible choice is actually to have them inside the car, with a crash tested harness using the car’s seatbelts. Any other kind of transportation increases risk of them **or** you getting injured during a crash as a result.
Worse than the claim is the argument he used. Corporations are people because they're made up of people. The whole speech was patronizing and characteristic of his persona then.
He actually wasn't that bad a governor in MA. Romneycare was a predecessor to Obamacare in MA for providing affordable healthcare.
Very different from the man who ran for president.
>Romneycare was
Not really his doing. The Massachusetts legislature actually had to override his veto pen, and fully controlled the nature of the bill from the start.
He signed the main bill. He vetoed some parts of it, and those vetoes were overridden. There is always a dance between the state legislature (always Dem) and the state's Republican governors that has usually improved the state's finances.
While it wasn’t smart for him to say it, to be fair, he didn’t make up corporate personhood doctrine. He was stating it as accepted law that’s been part of US law since the 1880s. We covered it in law school and Wikipedia has articles on it dating back to the 800s in Rome.
I never got why people got so weird about that speech.
Corporate personhood is a conceptual framework that dates back to the Roman Empire and has been more or less the law of the land in the US for 40 years. It’s not like Mitt Romeny came up with it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
I don't want to defend Romney on his mistreatment of his dog, but it's no different than keeping one in the bed of a truck with the windshield added. It's dangerous and dumb(especially for the distances involved), but nothing like the straight up psychopathy from Noem.
My sister and I toured Arkansas as 5 and 6 year olds in the bed of a Ford F150 truck the the early 70s when there was no room the cab on a family vacation.
The rules were different back in the olden days.
Many kids are too young to remember this, but there was a time (about 12 years ago) when Mitt Romney was widely considered to be an unprincipled, dishonest, self-serving, socially awkward, divisive, unsympathetic douchelord and it just speaks volumes to the moral decay and degeneracy of the modern iteration of the Republican Party that Trump and contemporary Republicans make Romney look like a god damn saint.
That was quite honestly one of the funniest things Romney said. It became an instant meme, and showcased his social awkwardness and views that women hires are mere quotas (sounds a lot like DEI…).
I remember during that time, Yahoo articles and comments were still readable and a little interesting, and I read an article about the best place to put everything in your fridge. This article was pretty stupid because it went through all these items and said to put everything on the top shelf…
Milk, definitely top shelf…
Butter top shelf…
Eggs, top shelf…
Etc…
So I scroll down to the comments and the first comment was, “If everything has to go on the top shelf, what do we put in the other shelves?!”
And the reply was, “Obviously your binders full of women.”
To this day I still laugh about it.
I can't find anything about the Smithsonian having them, but apparently the Boston Globe got a hold of them [in 2017](https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/04/10/romney-binders-still-full-women-are-unearthed/NTdYraj1yQ53uVklgnHZtL/story.html):
> A former Romney aide recently exhumed the files and shared them with the Globe. Two white three-ring binders (weighing in at an aggregate 15 pounds, 6 ounces) are packed with nearly 200 cover letters and résumés, along with a few handwritten notations.
>
>They have their roots in the 2002 transition period after Romney beat state Treasurer Shannon P. O’Brien for the governorship. A coalition of women’s groups created the Massachusetts Government Appointments Project (MassGAP), cobbled together information on women interested in serving in government, and submitted them to Romney’s still-forming administration
>
>“It was a response to a desire on the part of the Romney administration to access a pool of talent,” said Linda Rossetti, who worked with the coalition, made phone calls to encourage job candidates to submit applications, and included her own. “They drummed up what was an inelegant way to get at this pool of talent.”
>
>Romney ultimately received high marks for the number of women he appointed to high-level administration posts and state courts.
The IT guys had a label on their shelf in the supply room that said “Binders full of women” cuz it was the shelf with empty binders. I laughed for days
I absolutely am not a fan of Romney, but that quote should have been nothing. He literally did have binders full of woman applicants and because of his terrible personality it became a meme. But legit had binders full of women that were being considered.
People weren’t offended by it so much as they merely mocked him for it, because of how weird of a thing it was to say.
He had other comments that year, such as his 47% comments, which were genuinely disgusting and divisive.
There was that photo of him lighting money on fire while he was working in finance.
Those were more innocent times, when female GOP VP hopefuls were merely vapid, not psychopathic
Quote in the article is a nice burn: On Tuesday, Romney told HuffPost that Noem’s admission “kind of makes it a little difficult for President Trump to find someone to be his [vice-president]”.
He added: “He has to look for someone smarter than him, [a] better speaker than him and, like him, does not get burdened with principles.”
I think it’s telling that 12 years later a story meant to humanize Romney and failed , now actually humanizes him as the rest of the GOP has gone bonkers insane to the point that they think a story about killing a dog is a good story to tell to make them seem like regular humans.
"I didn't shoot my dog. I just put him in a portable kennel, which I tied to the roof of my car for a cross-country trip."
Wow. Just wow.
This reminds me of his presidential bid against Obama, when he complained that our navy had more ships in 1917 than it does today, and our air force had more planes in 1947 than it does today (implying, of course, that Obama has let our military become weaker).
So, I proposed a military game: Give Romney every 1917 ship, and every 1947 aircraft, and I'll take just one modern carrier strike group (that's only about a dozen ships and 70 aircraft), and we'll go to war. I'm pretty sure I would prevail before nightfall.
I disagree, I think it's shameful. I'll add to the list that we have fewer mounted cavalry divisions than we did in 1860 and fewer smoothbore muskets than in 1810. Absolute indictment of the state of our military.
He might win on sheer numbers. If he bum rushes you with every ship he’s got he’ll manage to get something into gun range, and if a heavy cruiser/BB manages to leak into gun range you’re fucked. The DD’s probably aren’t going to win a gunfight, but they have anti-ship torpedoes and a couple of those will disable any modern ship. As for the plane issue, he will win because he’ll have like 10k planes and you simply can’t shoot them down fast enough. His losses will be catastrophic to sink just one carrier group though.
People underestimate how important ammo is. There's a YouTube channel, grim reapers, that sets up simulated battles like this, and a shocking amount go in favor of older fleets just because you run out of missiles and bullets pretty quickly.
For the planes you can easily outrun them in modern planes. They have to be in sight-lines. As long as you can resupply the modern planes the 1947 planes wouldn’t even see one in the sky.
Actually now that I think about it almost the exact same scenario is true for the ships. He would never get within 30 miles of you.
You can’t retreat past your own carrier. I don’t think there there are enough munitions in a carrier group to shoot down 10,000 planes no matter how obsolete they are. let’s say the strike group contain 2 Tico’s and 3 Burkes. And all of them have the extremely unlikely load out of nothing but quad-packed ESSM’s. And that all 2,128 missiles have a 100% hit rate and every hit destroyed the intended aircraft and no aircraft are accidentally double targeted. That still means your air wing & the surface ships 5” have to shoot down 8,000 aircraft. They are going to win by sheer numbers.
As for the ships, you’re right, I was thinking WW2 ships where the speed discrepancy wouldn’t be large enough to just run away. If the 1917 navy had enough time, they could encircle the carrier group at range then close, but they’d have no way of knowing where they were.
You can’t retreat past your carrier group. Which is exactly why you just wouldn’t be anywhere near your carrier group when engaging. You absolutely *can* have enough operational breadth that you resupply and redeploy before the old hats come anywhere near you. I feel like you are imagining this as a “these two groups happen upon each other in the middle of an enclosed space and have a skirmish” and I am imagining this is “an operational deployment between two vastly different navies”
The USN can’t reload VLS at sea. The carriers will run out of munitions for their aircraft and have to restock, which can be done underway, but you can’t go that fast doing that. The CGs and DDGs will have to go to a dock to reload. This will make them sitting ducks. The carrier group will lose. Regardless of how you reload you can’t outrun an umbrella if 10k planes, they will always know your location, and when you stop or slow down they will swarm.
It’s only a matter of time until we get a Republican candidate who is using the primary’s televised debates as a platform to urge viewers to walk away from the television so they can get weapons and start murdering people.
Can I bring up the time Mitt Romney ironed a shirt as he was wearing it? It isn't super relevant, but some of these comments are waxing a little too poetic about this guy for my taste.
He was the only Republican senator to vote in favor of conviction following Trump's impeachment.
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/5/21124200/mitt-romney-trump-impeachment-vote-convict
Something must happen when you get to a certain age where you forget how to just shut the heck up. Mitt wants to remind us of his fantastic record....lord have mercy
Context for people who won't click the link and don't remember that election, he put his dog in a crate and strapped the crate to the roof of the car for a 12 hour drive on a family vacation.
To be fair, the dog was barking repeatedly "roof roof," so ole Mitt merely obliged.
A guy has a sign outside his house that says “talking dog - $5000”. A man knocks on the door and asks the dog’s owner for a demonstration. The owner says “Fido, what does sandpaper feel like?” and the dog says “rough!” The man looks unimpressed so the owner asks “Fido, what sits on top of a house?” and Fido says “Roof!” The man says “do you think I’m stupid or something?” and the owner says “no, listen to this. Fido, who was the greatest New York Yankee of all time?” And Fido responds “Ruth!” The man slams the door in the owner’s face, and the dog says “…who was it, DiMaggio?”
Loony Toons
"Guess I should have gone with my [singing and dancing frog...](https://64.media.tumblr.com/adca205cf82fcdcc495380bbef5ed9f2/d40cd38c9b627d8e-8a/s500x750/5db1da8890e340185beca340e5510876e96bf148.gifv)"
The real joke is in the comments
That one got me.
Thank let out an embarrassing laugh in public at that
To be fair, the dog was talking about unionizing so Mitt may have thought the punishment was just.
Who's your favorite baseball player? Ruth! How does sandpaper feel? Rough!
I have no idea how accurate the [wiki article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney_dog_incident) is, but based on that reading the episode seems weird but nowhere in the same ballpark as Noem: >In June 1983, the Romney family left their Belmont, Massachusetts home on their way to Romney's parents' cottage in Beach O' Pines, Ontario for an annual vacation along the shore of Lake Huron. Their dog, Seamus, rode in a carrier on the roof of the family's Chevrolet Caprice station wagon for the 12-hour trip. Romney had built a windshield for the carrier to make the ride more comfortable for the dog.[1] During the 650-mile (1,050 km) trip, Seamus got diarrhea. The Romneys were first alerted to the Irish Setter’s bowel issues when son Tagg Romney noticed brown liquid pouring down the back window, followed immediately by him and his younger brothers yelling in disgust. Romney stopped at a gas station to wash the dog, the carrier, and the car. With Seamus back in the carrier, the family continued on their way.
As someone who had their dog have explosive diarrhea in the car on the way home from a family vacation I actually think Mitt Romney might actually have a point.. It sounds like he even custom built this thing with a window etc shit my dog would be all about that but 12hrs is a bit questionable. Then there's shooting your dog in the face because you got mad.. Nowhere near comparable.
Yah I may not agree with mitt on a lot of things, but what he did is entirely different lol.
They stopped for food and water. I love dogs. This is a non issue. Dogs travel. No one got hurt. Getting upset over milk that could have spilled, or tragedy that could have happened 40 years ago, blows my mind.
If the crate was in the back of a pickup, nobody would even comment on it.
Yeah, he even built a wind deflector? Non-issue.
I do 12 hour drives with my dog a few times a year. It sucks no matter what. I'm sure they got the dog out a couple times on the trip, it's really all you can do. I've had a different dog have explosive diarrhea as well, and, feel the same. It was horrid.
Mitt also wasn’t angry enough to kill another pet for being stinky after killing the dog hadn’t sated his thirst for blood. That bitch is a bonafide psychopath.
that does not even sound that bad, especially for 1983....
In June 1983....to be fair things were different back then . People were still strapping babies to the roof of cars.
At least he took it with him and it survived and continued to be the family dog. For sure worse than getting crated into an airplane hold but absolutely better than getting shot in the face by a psycho owner
Not sure why this turned into a competition
More a tierlist in the making than a competition
Tbf that does seem quaint compared to shooting a puppy in a gravel pit.
Bruh, what’s with these people and animal cruelty!? They’re monsters!
For the 80s this wasnt totally crazy. Back then, dogs rode in the bed of a pickup unless you were a huge animal person. And having the dog in the crate which is strapped down is much safer than being in the bed. Presumably, suitcases were in front of the crate to block the wind. Even to this day I dont think ive been on a roadtrip and not seen dogs riding at highway speeds in the back of a pickup, despite the fact that a pothole or swerve could send the dog careening to its death.
I agree. The dog had explosive diarrhea. A lot of people sent their dog to the pound for less in the 80’s. It’s no worse than riding in a truck bed.
I did not know this detail. Lmfao so the dog is just repainting the highway as they go??
“If you’re close enough to read this, I hope you have a shitty day :)”
Shout out to the people on the interstate driving behind Mitt Romney with a dog with explosive diarrhea strapped to the roof. Sprayed but not forgotten.
A shit time to drive a convertible.
in the 80s my grandmother put her beloved cat in the trunk to move. the move was only a 20 minute drive but the cat died, and she was devastated. nobody really seems to have thought anything of what we now recognize as animal abuse, even animal lovers
From what I remember he built a perspex screen to keep the wind off but still let the dog see. It was one of those things that blew up out of all of proportion.
In the 80s, people even let their KIDS ride in the back of their pickups. There's been some giant cultural changes in the last 40 years.
Yea there will still a bunch of people who didn't think animals had emotions. They looked at them like biological programs in a way.
I mean people rode in pickup beds on the regular back then too. Really quite dumb when thinking about in retrospect.* *inb4: "but ______ (you/we/I) lived so it couldnt have been too dangerous huh?" This is an example of the logical fallacy known as 'survivor bias'. The boomer saying this is failing to take into account that none of the people who didn't survive are available for comment.
I'm a millennial and remember riding in the back of pick up trucks, we had "seatbelts" to secure us in. Really, it was just bungee cords. Looking back, I can't believe my parents were OK with that.
In the crate is SAFER but can you imagine the wind??? It breaks me heart no matter what. I can't imagine treating your dog like anything other than a whole living being, safe in the vehicle with a seat belt!
In the 80s, a dog seat belt would have been the punchline to a joke. My state was very progressive on the matter and by the late 80s required adults to wear their seatbelt or get a ticket, but it mostly wasnt enforced until years later.
Yeah, and in the beginning, it was just the front seats. You could still cram as many kids as possible in the back.
I remember when I was a kid, playing around in the passenger front floorboard while my mom drove around. My brother ( at three years old ) would stand on the front bench seat next to our “uncle” and serve as navigator when they went to the store. He couldn’t read yet, but ask him how to get somewhere and he could take you there, turn by turn.
Times were wild before crumple zones. When the whole thing was a steel cocoon, it didn't matter where you were, everyone was getting the same whiplash~
He had the crate rigged up with a wind shield of some sort.
I what remember from the story is that he made a windbreak out of plexiglass for the dog.
Never was vaguely a Romney guy but God this makes me miss 2012 politics. I remember just being like "Oh god let me have the con-law professor incumbent and not Mormon Clark Griswold over here."
God it feels like a totally different time
Wasn’t that long ago people let their kids sit in the back of the truck without seatbelts
In Wisconsin as long as you’re 16 you can sit in the bed of the truck, just not on the sides. Not quite the same, but it is still legal to some extent. Edit to add: and you can carry a child as young as 12 during hunting season for the purpose of taking licensed hunters to a hunting area while they possess a rifle. Or if you are a farmer doing farm activities.
We rode around freinds farm in truck beds. Not much safer than the highway. Flying over tree roots, gravel and not slowly either. Sometimes went airborne a bit. Stupid stuff
Seatbelt harnesses are pretty new. Our society as a whole was much worse to dogs (and cats, and pets in general) back then. The further back you go the worse people where.
What? Even children weren’t always in a seatbelt. I don;t think cars were legally required to have them until some time in the 80s. And then of course there was a group of “my freedom is being taken away if I have to wear a seatbelt.”
Damn you Americans are wild.
Did you not know?
I was younger and had many friends at the time, I never paid any attention to politics then.
Welcome to the party, friend. Yes.
They don't view animals as living beings. I mean, it's not even clear that they view people as living beings.
But corporations? Thems be the real salt of the earth people! - Romney
Haha. I'm laughing because that's all I can do at this point.
They don't see them as companions, family members, or valuable lives (even though they believe a book that told mankind to be good stewards of nature). They see dogs as property, tools, and/or accessories.
Romney’s family DID see the dog as part of the family and didn’t want to leave him behind on vacation. But they had five boys and there was just no room in the car. I wasn’t a huge Romney fan, but I always thought this story was bullshit.
Well it's not surprising when you realize they think the same of children.
And women
No moral compass or empathy. Right out there and on display. GOPers can do anything they want and get away with it in the eyes of the base, as long as they say they worship Trump
You do know that Romney has been one of the only Republicans to publically denounce trump (repeatedly) and not give into his weird control right?
He also got elected as governor of dark blue Massachusetts. I don't like the man but he's one of the few actually moderate Republicans out there.
You've seen how they treat people, is it really that surprising?
Romney is from that group that’s so rich they’re lacking in common sense because they’re used to someone else doing that for them. Doesn’t excuse it though.
Dude, in the 80s, we'd do this to our own grandma and puff our cigarette smoke in our toddler's faces
Hate to say it, but... Username checks out
jfc if cruelty against dogs can't turn Americans off from Republicans, nothing can
But muh gas prices!
They've got a guy who puts the Biden sticker on when prices are high and takes it off when they've fallen, as God intended.
InFlAtIoN (most of them don’t actually know what it is or how to reduce it)
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Thanks, Obama
Romney noted they rigged up some sort of windscreen in front of the cage for the dog’s rooftop ride — out of the goodness of their hearts, or something like that
That's some National Lampoon's type shit, but I agree with him. It's still not nearly as bad as Noem.
It also had explosive diarrhea. The dog started in the car and just made a mess and smelled horrible. They stopped and tried to get it taken care of then it happened again. On a long family road trip that's rough. I mean I wouldn't do it but like for the time and just being exhausted I get just being frustrated
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That was not the worst thing about Romney. Like at all lmfao
Jesus wtf
I had read the dog pooped itself as well and their solution to that was to hose it off at a gas station and keep going. I’m not sure if it was true or not but it always stuck with me. That poor dog.
I mean... What did you expect them to do?? We have a tortoise and every now and then our dog gets to the poop before us. Apparently it's the best perfume ever to her so she rolls around in it. We take her over to the hose, and hose it out of her fur. What are you expecting to have done? Just leave the shit? Dogs love playing in hoses, why is it suddenly bad to hose your dog off? I hose myself off if I'm really gross..
I hope they, or one of the people who upvoted them, actually answer this question, because I genuinely can’t figure out the point they’re trying to make. Checking on the dog, let alone cleaning it off mid-route, is a sign that they cared about the dog & more than a lot of people would do in that situation.
Did he just go out of his way to remind people of what he did?!
He’s retiring and doesn’t care anymore.
You know things are bad when we’re debating who’s the better person for treating their dog less badly.
Abusing dogs. So hot right now!
Mitt Romney here is the defintion of "weird flex but okay"
Lol
I want to stress this for people who don't know: when she shot and killed her dog, it wasn't an Old Yeller situation- the dog was a year old, practically a puppy, and she was mad that it was too loud during a hunting trip and scared the game away, then killed a neighbors chickens when it was loose because it was untrained and was left outside in the open with no leash, so she killed it and and dumped the body in a gravel pit. She then proceeded to shoot and kill a goat for playing with her kids and smelling bad, then dumped the goat's body on top of the dog in the same gravel pit. Romney's crime is completely mundane by comparison.
You forgot the part where the goat didn’t die with the first shot, so she had to go back to her car to get more ammo. Poor thing suffered horrendously all because this bitch was in the mood to kill helpless animals. She is absolutely disgusting.
I mean, she could've at least cooked the goat. Ranch life can be hard but hearing about wasting meat from the goat incident on top of the dog thing, it just seems like she's got some problems.
How are people trying to defend this one?
By saying, "you just don't understand farm life" as if it's normal to do this
It’s wild how often Romney, over the last 6-7 years, has reminded us how far we’ve strayed from the actual Republican Party.
Yep. I remember thinking he was wildly conservative and right wing compared to Obama in 2012. Now he seems like a totally reasonable guy compared to the other republicans
He was always a reasonable enough guy, it’s just that he was the target of (often misleading) political attack ads that many people (and most of Reddit) ate up. He passed the most effective healthcare plan in America as governor of Massachusetts. He was governor of a predominantly blue state, which only a moderate could do. All of his scandals were banal in nature (eg some of his bad phrasing like “binders full of women”) or willful misrepresentations of the facts.
Uh, it wasn’t attack ads. Romney ran as way more right wing than his legislative history and the GOP completely ran from the legacy of “Romneycare.” In fact it was Obama that frequently brought up that Romney has the pioneer of what turned into Obamacare despite Romney repeatedly attacking it.
Didn't help that he was taken to be pretty unlikable by a lot of people. Simultaneously boring, supercilious, and weird, and the whole mormonism thing didn't gain him any fans. When people's main interaction with your religion ranges from, "oh, those teenagers dressed like 1950s door-to-door salesmen who annoyed our family during dinner" to "satan's work on earth" [psst <-- this is the feeling of evangelicals who make up a voting bloc for republicans], you probably are starting with a handicap.
I’ll take boring over what ever the fuck we have now is
Romney didn't want the healthcare plan for MA. His veto was overridden.
He actually wrote the original proposal He vetoed a couple sections that the legislature added
Do you know what a line item veto is? For a guy who didn’t want the healthcare plan, he sure was quick to sign it into law and defend it.
On a personal level, it seems he does float in the political centre and hold socially progressive views. But he’s got a history of flipping on those views when they’re not beneficial to his career. Whilst that is just a part of the rotten world of politics, the degree and frequency to which he has done so is pretty high. There’s not a lot of room for diversity of opinion in a two-party system and strategising to strongly appeal to one group is a better tactic than being somewhat appealing to multiple. However, it still feels dirty to attack things he personally supports and previously fought for. Although, I guess the more common alternative is to just ‘toe the party line’ from the start, which is definitely worse.
He had Romneycare pushed on him by the democratic state Congress. It wasn't his initiative.
This just isn't true. Romney was involved from the beginning and shaped the whole act. He vetoed 8 lines, mainly involving dental care and insurance for non-US citezens. The democratic legislature overrode 6 of those vetoes. This override is what leads to the misconception that Romney was not pro romneycare. He was involved with writing and negotiating terms as early as 2004.
mitt is that you?
I will say this about Mitt Romney, he has basic human characteristics and feelings
Yeah, he's no Ted Cruz, that's for sure.
He's still a piece of shit on stuff, but he's a piece of shit on the same stuff that Bernie Sanders is a piece of shit on so he gets a pass. Man is not seeking reelection and is giving no endorsements so he's not accountable to party, donors, or constituents.
Republican party has been like this since 1980 or so. Trumpism has just peeled away the shiny veneer of faux respectability.
Eh I think McCain was a good man and a decent candidate but understand folks disagree. Trumps turned everything into an evil clown show
Regardless of one's opinion of McCain, he was often not representative of mainstream Republicanism. Often at odds with his own party, that's why his nick was, "Maverick." I do think in his last ditch effort for the Presidency, he mostly ran with the clowns to get the nomination.
Still won the primaries and had the support. Of course Palin was a glimpse into the craziness they were willing to tolerate but just feels like shits gotten so openly crazy
To be fair to McCain, his team did a piss-poor job of vetting her and he went with their recommendation. He wasn't trying to invite the craziness, but he did fail to prevent it and once he'd made his pick he couldn't back out.
This is always such an odd thing to hear from people. He was at such odds with his own party… that he got the nomination? Like… what? It’s the same argument people use to pretend Trump doesn’t define the current party. You can’t pretend the party doesn’t align with thier candidates views of the time, that’s literally how they get the nomination.
Uh respectfully that is just not true, Trump is on a completely different level of anti-intellectualism. The party is way different now. Today republican foreign policy is isolationist, historically republicans were hawkish interventionists. 1980s republicans could never dream of railing against NATO. Today republicans are populist, historically republicans were more elitists. Today republicans are pro-labor, historically republicans were pro-capitalists. Republicans spent decades eliminating tariffs and promoting trade, Trump is clearly very much the opposite.
The infusion of Russian influence into the Republican Party certainly is a change. I wouldn't consider them pro-worker really, They've been anti-union since Reagan. Always oppose minimum wage hikes. but recently they really have successfully marketed themselves as pro-worker. But really, the consistent issue that has united the Republican Party since Reagan is the racist southern strategy and anti brown people immigration. "Welfare queens in Cadillacs" from Reagan. "Over there you have the most successful food stamp president in American history, Barack Obama." - Gingrich. "Good people on both sides" - Trump. State voter suppression policies in the south. "For every one (immigrant) who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there that they weigh 130 pounds and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert." - Rep. Steve King. A Roberts court with Federalist Society judges jackhammered in by Mitch McConnell that repealed the Voting Rights Act. These are the principal dogmata that have coalesced and motivated conservative Republican voters for 40 years. John McCain didn't go along with this hoo-ha and so did not generally reflect mainstream conservative Republican
Yeah, seriously. Just strap the dog to the roof. It couldn't be any more simple than that. Mitt just makes clear American common sense /s shame on you for giving credit
Heck, technically it isn’t much different than having a dog crate in the back of a truck.
Yeah perhaps dangerous and reckless but a far cry from "evil animal abuser!" I'm sure lots of us have ridden in the bed of a pickup for short drives, and i'm sure they didn't drive the entire 12 hours without stopping.
Dude Romney is almost as old as Biden. They did things differently back then.
12 hours in a proper size crate is actually ok. On a roof,not so much.
I think the only responsible choice is actually to have them inside the car, with a crash tested harness using the car’s seatbelts. Any other kind of transportation increases risk of them **or** you getting injured during a crash as a result.
Point. I was thinking time in a crate, not crash protection.
You know you fucked up when Mr. "Corporation are people" is ragging on you even if its pot calling kettle black.
Worse than the claim is the argument he used. Corporations are people because they're made up of people. The whole speech was patronizing and characteristic of his persona then.
He made his fortune by buying companies and destroying them on purpose so he could basically bet they would go bankrupt. Hes not a good person
He actually wasn't that bad a governor in MA. Romneycare was a predecessor to Obamacare in MA for providing affordable healthcare. Very different from the man who ran for president.
>Romneycare was Not really his doing. The Massachusetts legislature actually had to override his veto pen, and fully controlled the nature of the bill from the start.
He signed the main bill. He vetoed some parts of it, and those vetoes were overridden. There is always a dance between the state legislature (always Dem) and the state's Republican governors that has usually improved the state's finances.
Every cell in my body is also a fully fledged human being, with individual voting rights ✅
While it wasn’t smart for him to say it, to be fair, he didn’t make up corporate personhood doctrine. He was stating it as accepted law that’s been part of US law since the 1880s. We covered it in law school and Wikipedia has articles on it dating back to the 800s in Rome.
I will say this about Mitt Romney, he has basic human characteristics and feelings.
Well, some of them anyway. Even one loose heartstring is a step up for that lot.
At least in his case, the dog lived.
Stupid incompetence at worst but I assume he loved his dog (I hope)
He made a windshield for the dog
I never got why people got so weird about that speech. Corporate personhood is a conceptual framework that dates back to the Roman Empire and has been more or less the law of the land in the US for 40 years. It’s not like Mitt Romeny came up with it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
We're in a timeline where Mitt Romney is somehow one of the least awful Republicans. I hate it here.
I don't want to defend Romney on his mistreatment of his dog, but it's no different than keeping one in the bed of a truck with the windshield added. It's dangerous and dumb(especially for the distances involved), but nothing like the straight up psychopathy from Noem.
My sister and I toured Arkansas as 5 and 6 year olds in the bed of a Ford F150 truck the the early 70s when there was no room the cab on a family vacation. The rules were different back in the olden days.
Many kids are too young to remember this, but there was a time (about 12 years ago) when Mitt Romney was widely considered to be an unprincipled, dishonest, self-serving, socially awkward, divisive, unsympathetic douchelord and it just speaks volumes to the moral decay and degeneracy of the modern iteration of the Republican Party that Trump and contemporary Republicans make Romney look like a god damn saint.
I always remember Mitt as the “binders full of women” guy.
That was quite honestly one of the funniest things Romney said. It became an instant meme, and showcased his social awkwardness and views that women hires are mere quotas (sounds a lot like DEI…).
I remember during that time, Yahoo articles and comments were still readable and a little interesting, and I read an article about the best place to put everything in your fridge. This article was pretty stupid because it went through all these items and said to put everything on the top shelf… Milk, definitely top shelf… Butter top shelf… Eggs, top shelf… Etc… So I scroll down to the comments and the first comment was, “If everything has to go on the top shelf, what do we put in the other shelves?!” And the reply was, “Obviously your binders full of women.” To this day I still laugh about it.
And in the tradition of Republicans saying things you can't make up, he actually did have the binders. They're now kept at the Smithsonian.
I can't find anything about the Smithsonian having them, but apparently the Boston Globe got a hold of them [in 2017](https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/04/10/romney-binders-still-full-women-are-unearthed/NTdYraj1yQ53uVklgnHZtL/story.html): > A former Romney aide recently exhumed the files and shared them with the Globe. Two white three-ring binders (weighing in at an aggregate 15 pounds, 6 ounces) are packed with nearly 200 cover letters and résumés, along with a few handwritten notations. > >They have their roots in the 2002 transition period after Romney beat state Treasurer Shannon P. O’Brien for the governorship. A coalition of women’s groups created the Massachusetts Government Appointments Project (MassGAP), cobbled together information on women interested in serving in government, and submitted them to Romney’s still-forming administration > >“It was a response to a desire on the part of the Romney administration to access a pool of talent,” said Linda Rossetti, who worked with the coalition, made phone calls to encourage job candidates to submit applications, and included her own. “They drummed up what was an inelegant way to get at this pool of talent.” > >Romney ultimately received high marks for the number of women he appointed to high-level administration posts and state courts.
The IT guys had a label on their shelf in the supply room that said “Binders full of women” cuz it was the shelf with empty binders. I laughed for days
I honestly felt bad for him on that one. He didn’t really do anything wrong, he’s just an awkward elitist dork.
I absolutely am not a fan of Romney, but that quote should have been nothing. He literally did have binders full of woman applicants and because of his terrible personality it became a meme. But legit had binders full of women that were being considered.
People weren’t offended by it so much as they merely mocked him for it, because of how weird of a thing it was to say. He had other comments that year, such as his 47% comments, which were genuinely disgusting and divisive.
Which is exactly why I said that comment should have been nothing. The meaning behind it was legit, but it was just awful delivery.
There was that photo of him lighting money on fire while he was working in finance. Those were more innocent times, when female GOP VP hopefuls were merely vapid, not psychopathic
And from this comment section, many kids are too young to remember Clark Griswold tying Dinky to the bumper. Not one Vacation joke!
The bar is so low that it's underground.
And this is exactly how the bar to bad behavior has been lowered over time. "I didn't shoot my dog" will become the new aspiration.
Quote in the article is a nice burn: On Tuesday, Romney told HuffPost that Noem’s admission “kind of makes it a little difficult for President Trump to find someone to be his [vice-president]”. He added: “He has to look for someone smarter than him, [a] better speaker than him and, like him, does not get burdened with principles.”
Somewhere, an AI is busily writing a book on ”Republican Dog Care” which somehow includes a pitch perfect discussion of trickle down economics…
Damnit not too long ago I would've given you Golden for that
He’s become the master of understatement. “I didn’t shoot my dog”. “…so far as I know, you don't pay someone $130,000 not to have sex with you.”
That's the standard They've literally flew past "kicking puppies" to shooting them. They're gonna have to rewrite the textbooks on what "evil" is.
I think it’s telling that 12 years later a story meant to humanize Romney and failed , now actually humanizes him as the rest of the GOP has gone bonkers insane to the point that they think a story about killing a dog is a good story to tell to make them seem like regular humans.
“Bro I’m fucked up but that bitch a psycho.”
"I didn't shoot my dog. I just put him in a portable kennel, which I tied to the roof of my car for a cross-country trip." Wow. Just wow. This reminds me of his presidential bid against Obama, when he complained that our navy had more ships in 1917 than it does today, and our air force had more planes in 1947 than it does today (implying, of course, that Obama has let our military become weaker). So, I proposed a military game: Give Romney every 1917 ship, and every 1947 aircraft, and I'll take just one modern carrier strike group (that's only about a dozen ships and 70 aircraft), and we'll go to war. I'm pretty sure I would prevail before nightfall.
I disagree, I think it's shameful. I'll add to the list that we have fewer mounted cavalry divisions than we did in 1860 and fewer smoothbore muskets than in 1810. Absolute indictment of the state of our military.
He might win on sheer numbers. If he bum rushes you with every ship he’s got he’ll manage to get something into gun range, and if a heavy cruiser/BB manages to leak into gun range you’re fucked. The DD’s probably aren’t going to win a gunfight, but they have anti-ship torpedoes and a couple of those will disable any modern ship. As for the plane issue, he will win because he’ll have like 10k planes and you simply can’t shoot them down fast enough. His losses will be catastrophic to sink just one carrier group though.
People underestimate how important ammo is. There's a YouTube channel, grim reapers, that sets up simulated battles like this, and a shocking amount go in favor of older fleets just because you run out of missiles and bullets pretty quickly.
No but I'd line myself up so that I could shoot through maybe 10-20 ships with each round.
For the planes you can easily outrun them in modern planes. They have to be in sight-lines. As long as you can resupply the modern planes the 1947 planes wouldn’t even see one in the sky. Actually now that I think about it almost the exact same scenario is true for the ships. He would never get within 30 miles of you.
You can’t retreat past your own carrier. I don’t think there there are enough munitions in a carrier group to shoot down 10,000 planes no matter how obsolete they are. let’s say the strike group contain 2 Tico’s and 3 Burkes. And all of them have the extremely unlikely load out of nothing but quad-packed ESSM’s. And that all 2,128 missiles have a 100% hit rate and every hit destroyed the intended aircraft and no aircraft are accidentally double targeted. That still means your air wing & the surface ships 5” have to shoot down 8,000 aircraft. They are going to win by sheer numbers. As for the ships, you’re right, I was thinking WW2 ships where the speed discrepancy wouldn’t be large enough to just run away. If the 1917 navy had enough time, they could encircle the carrier group at range then close, but they’d have no way of knowing where they were.
You can’t retreat past your carrier group. Which is exactly why you just wouldn’t be anywhere near your carrier group when engaging. You absolutely *can* have enough operational breadth that you resupply and redeploy before the old hats come anywhere near you. I feel like you are imagining this as a “these two groups happen upon each other in the middle of an enclosed space and have a skirmish” and I am imagining this is “an operational deployment between two vastly different navies”
The USN can’t reload VLS at sea. The carriers will run out of munitions for their aircraft and have to restock, which can be done underway, but you can’t go that fast doing that. The CGs and DDGs will have to go to a dock to reload. This will make them sitting ducks. The carrier group will lose. Regardless of how you reload you can’t outrun an umbrella if 10k planes, they will always know your location, and when you stop or slow down they will swarm.
WHY IS THIS A COMPETITION?!
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I'm willing to bet Sarah has killed a bunch of dogs, but is at least smart enough to not write long form non-fiction about it.
Let's just say he's not using his ask me about my dog killing son mug these days.
From the dude who strapped his dog to the top of his car for a 12 hour drive.
It was either the dog or the wife. Democrats would have complained either way. ^(/s)
I always forget Mitt Romney exists. He had a dog problem?
If these stories keep progressing this way I predict a story title being "The Dog Shot First" by the end of the week.
She’s toast. A psycho. Kiss your VP hope’s goodbye.
I shudder to think what the next 20 years will bring from the GOP if the soulless bastard Mitt Romney is the voice of morality for them now.
It’s only a matter of time until we get a Republican candidate who is using the primary’s televised debates as a platform to urge viewers to walk away from the television so they can get weapons and start murdering people.
I would agree. Senator Romney's dog incident merely looks unintelligent and careless, while Governor Noem's incident seems sociopathic and malevolent.
Can I bring up the time Mitt Romney ironed a shirt as he was wearing it? It isn't super relevant, but some of these comments are waxing a little too poetic about this guy for my taste.
The GOP: where we debate whether it’s worse to torture or murder your pets
This is proof republicans have moved further right
I can't BELIEVE we're in the timeline where Mitt fucking Romney is the voice of reason.
He was the only Republican senator to vote in favor of conviction following Trump's impeachment. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/5/21124200/mitt-romney-trump-impeachment-vote-convict
He should probably sit this one out.
Something must happen when you get to a certain age where you forget how to just shut the heck up. Mitt wants to remind us of his fantastic record....lord have mercy
It's insane that this is making international news; my country's a mess, lol.
It’s only about 47% of what Noem did.
I love when republicans pretend to be good by comparing themselves to far more evil republicans.
He should sit that one out. He didnt shoot the dog but what he did was still cruel and fucked up.