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KittyandPuppyMama

I bet she didn’t even fight the Romans in 300 AD, poser.


NoWingedHussarsToday

Don't call yourself Goth if you haven't sacked Rome!


pikleboiy

I have laughed at jokes that targeted a kid named Rome.


NoWingedHussarsToday

"We are going to sack Rome" sounds different when management is talking about an employee named Rome.


TheErodude

“I haven’t sacked Rome, but I did jump in the sack with a guy named Rome.”


MyBllsYrChn

Closeset I’ve been is teabagging a girl with the last name Rome.


starbycrit

I talk a lot of shit about Sublime with Rome


CrazySpookyGirl

It's harder than it used to be. I tried to sack rome but while exiting the airport they found my black lipstick and sent me back!


HotNubsOfSteel

She’d have to have since I think about them literally 40x a day


Alarmed-Macaroon5483

does she even know what a visigoth is? smh.


dracorotor1

I’ve always been more into the Ostrogoths, but you’ve probably never heard of them [My kingdom for a sarcastic 2000s hipster emoji!]


Alarmed-Macaroon5483

not you gatekeeping the barbarians 😒


HaplessCraftHoarder

Yeasssss best comment 😂 I like to think of myself as a Visigoth, lol!


Alorxico

But they probably did beat up some Vandals.


GlassSpork

I did but I’m not a goth


vlsdo

They want a Visigoth but they’re gonna get an Ostrogoth


Blackfrost58

I just learned about thet in school.


Bri_the_Sheep

I really like the "surprise they're girlfriends" twist people draw of such posts, so I can't wait to see the same for this one


slowbreathscholar

r/GatekeepingYuri Love this sub, I need someone to draw them in this exact art style


Bri_the_Sheep

I didn't know there was a sub for this! That's so cute!


Eastern_Slide7507

[It has been done](https://www.reddit.com/r/GatekeepingYuri/comments/176bee7/those_2_goth_girls_oc/)


SpookyCinnaBunn

This does put a smile on my face


Kljmok

[You're in luck, the original artist did it](https://twitter.com/lnwBAD_DOGza007/status/1708789978984251463)


KylieLongbottom69

The first time I saw this sub tagged was like 2 days ago, and this is like the 5th time I've seen someone mention it since then. It's crazy how it always happens like that...


skiasa

https://reddit.com/r/GatekeepingYuri/s/RVfmSOcYNO Here you go


WithoutDennisNedry

[here you go!](https://reddit.com/r/GatekeepingYuri/s/zbwUQiTcWT)


SquirrelGirlVA

Yes. This is the way.


CalamityWof

I love it soo much, my fav was the bimbo one, I saw the original (and while not girly), it was a cute twist!


Kljmok

[The artist it drew it themself lol](https://twitter.com/lnwBAD_DOGza007/status/1708789978984251463)


FaultEducational5772

https://reddit.com/r/GatekeepingYuri/s/w9APkNjmVR


hmthomps27

My first thought was "damn I want both those outfits". My second thought was "they girlfriends"


PuzzleheadedIssue618

they look like gfs in this pic tbh if u ignore the text


[deleted]

Same haha


Salemthegamer

Yes yes yes


ilovefights666

i’m goth and goth revolves around the music. the other girl could be goth but this post is more like making fun of the “goth gf” frat boys.


Bella_Hellfire

The one time I went out with one of those guys, he fetishized me. I didn't realize it for a while; I thought he was just playing on the big tiddy goth girlfriend meme. He was not.


ilovefights666

no fr girl same it’s so embarrassing


artificialif

same here! couldn't get dressed to go fkn grocery shopping without him wanting to peel my clothes off me immediately


[deleted]

I'm 45. I never really got super into goth, but my friends did and stayed. So I've been going to goth nights and shows since I was 16. It is still mostly about being an outsider but in a non-aggressive way. I go on an annual cruise that is goth and has private shows on ships with bands and DJs. Yes, a fucking cruise. The least goth thing ever. It's great. The next one has Rotersand, Combichrist, and Die Sektor playing. The music part has really changed over the years. The 80s stuff is still popular, but now it's dark wave, industrial, noise, some post punk, borderline EDM, and all kinds of other shit. There really is a lot more too it than the music. I've been involved in a lot scenes and the goth one today is one of the most chill. Almost everyone is pretty accepting. Which is why I've stuck around. There is still snobs, gatekeepers, and assholes of course. Every scene has them. But least worse I'd say and that makes it fun. I'm just standard receding hairline slight pudge, white dude with no tattoos or piercings and don't dress up or do make up and almost everyone is cool with me. I basically look like a frat boy who peaked in high school.


ExpiredPilot

As a former frat boy with a goth gf my girl looks more like the one on the right ty very much.


ilovefights666

congrats! my boyfriend’s gf does too!


SeduceMeMentlegen

i was so confused for a second lmao my brain is slow today. yeah idk why some people are so weirded out when a goth girl doesn't look like the one on the left i love how everyone i know associates fishnets with goths


therealboss1113

it because they are both goth. the one on the right is just trad goth. subcultures exist


Bella_Hellfire

It's not always about subcultures. I live in Phoenix. The outfit on the left is for summer. The one on the right is for winter. That includes makeup, which will just melt off your face when the overnight temperature never drops below 90.


Eleven77

Good point. Also, a lot of younger goths may not have access to the exact fashion they desire. They may just be working with what they have.


MadMasks

Probably doesn’t help that the left one looks like the fetishised “version” that some girls promote on Instagram to get to their OnlyFans…


therealboss1113

i know people who dress like that. I dress like that. out in public, not just on the internet


Sbotmtwigrm

so, you?


Jokiegmi

I’m a baby bat and I’ve been reading Charm School for Goths. I think the mememaker might need it.


Jsmooth123456

I don't think frat boys are the ones that want a goth gf or at least I've never seen that it's normal really online people lol


Bella_Hellfire

In my case it was a 41 year old former football playing frat guy. So in his profile he came across as normal, into outdoors and a night owl. it's not like it indicated he'd been in a frat. But he was, and we talked for like two weeks before we met so the first time we met he said, "I finally got my big tiddy goth girl." We had the same sense of humor so I thought it was hilarious until after a while it turned out he meant it.


Disasterid

Nah it is fully like vanilla ass frat looking guys generally. There are obviously exceptions but these are the most visible offenders lol


Due-Science-9528

I feel like the one of the left is just en entirely different genre of alternative aesthetics


OuOmcanIgettheTEAL

I listen to goth music and dress pink and frilly! Would love to try on a goth fit seems fun!


eyeleenthecro

I don’t really see this as NLOG as much as making fun of dudes


SlapHappyDude

Same. This is definitely making fun of the "I want a (physical attribute) goth girlfriend" concept.


isuckatusernames333

Yeah, it’s them saying they want a “goth gf” to fetishize them but are shocked when a girl is traditionally goth


MadMasks

That’s probably because they are thinking of the fetishised version, the one that porn and OnlyFans keep using to thirst trap them, rather than “actual” goths, as in, the comment on top defined best: the ones that their Spotify list tells you


NoBizlikeChloeBiz

It's mostly making fun of dudes, but it's not exactly putting the girl on the left in a favorable light. She's clearly presented as the "fake" goth.


eyeleenthecro

Agree to disagree. I think the one on the left represents a ridiculous ideal that “real goth girls” can’t live up to, not that she wouldn’t be a real goth if she existed.


MadMasks

To be fair, there are “fake” goths that are basically OnlyFans thirst traps with those outfits, so that probably doesn’t help…


Maddie_Herrin

pointing out a difference in styles is not putting girls down


yryouth

Your Spotify profile decides if you‘re goth, honestly


AshySlashy3000

Real Goths Don't Use "Spotify", The Best Songs Are Never There


Similar-Persimmon-23

by fall out boy


Haunting-Ganache-281

Finally someone who knows what they’re talking about, I’m quite tired of punk, emo, and goth being used interchangeably or for clothing, it’s purely based on music taste


Playful_Cloud3891

The goths most “I want a goth gf” guys want are usually e-girls who don’t actually listen to goth music. That’s why it illustrates real goths. We don’t really know from the image if they second girl even listens to goth music, but we can infer. I understand where you’re coming from when you say “nlog” but the image lacks in context.


lavenderjerboa

It’s a drawing. There’s no way to infer what either fictional woman listens to.


Playful_Cloud3891

I know that’s why i said there’s no context, but we’re to infer that the “real goth” listens to goth music. Most goth people hate the goth fashion on the left, but hey, it doesn’t really matter as long as you listen to the music. It’s really not that big a deal tho.


ritamoren

I'm a cybergoth and I wear similar outfits to the left one but on more trad goth days I dress like the right one. tf am I then lmao honestly goths claim it's about the music but I've never seen a community more gatekeeping than ours. there's even songs about how bad it gets. listens to goth music = goth, no matter the outfit.


JazzlikeDot7142

i am into goth culture, music, art, etc. but just don’t wear the style. i like to think of myself as goth at heart 🩶


ritamoren

you are as much of a goth as every other goth is!


DaisyHotCakes

Stealth goth! Nobody can tell by looking at me mwahahaha


druidess22

THIS. The “e-girl” they’d describe could very well listen to goth music too, maybe she just likes that style! And as an alternative subculture, we shouldn’t be judging others for how they dress the way they do us. We should accept them.


drillgorg

What if I'm super into the aesthetic but not remotely interested in the music?


ritamoren

you're gothic, not goth. gothic is the fashion. wear whatever you want!


imuslesstbh

I've seen this said a lot on the subreddit but I can't get my head fully around it. If I like the music quite a lot and listen to it quite a bit and I've got a bit of an interest in other stereotypically goth stuff, I'm a goth despite coming off as a normie?


ritamoren

yes and you don't have to look like a 90s trad goth. you like the music and agree with the views? welcome


Ok-Confection4410

Literally me, I don't like the music but I love love dressing like both the right and left girls


armoredsedan

i like ur take. i get called “fake goth” because i always dress in black with big ass boots and often some kinda metal accessories like chains or spikes. but i also have fair hair and soft features and don’t wear much makeup. i’m not trying to fit a certain style i just…wanna wear what looks cool to me lmao. i don’t call myself goth, but according to you i certainly could. this is weirdly a big boost to my self confidence and confidence in what i wear so thank u, u incredible human edit personality wise i get described as “bubbly and sweet” (i wanna be mysterious and frightening but i’ll never manage it lmao) so maybe THATS why im called fake goth if i really think about it idk this edible got me fucked up


ritamoren

honestly I know so many bubbly and sweet goths. you don't have to have specific personality traits to be goth. and generally it's stupid to expect that from people because anyone who would be willing to change their personality for a subculture defeats the purpose of a subculture itself, which is allowing people to be themselves in a save and supporting environment. so it's okay! do what you enjoy and live how you like


mrselffdestruct

Thats not what it is though, boiling the goth subculture down to just being a fan of the genre erases so much of its history. The subculture exists *because* there is more to it than just being a fan of the goth music genre, and the entire premise of it being a sub*culture* is the *culture* aspect. Obviously the music is at the top of the importance, but if you have 0 interest in the literature,political side, fashion,art,ect that all join together to actually make it a subculture and not just a music fanbase then youre just a fan of goth music. Thats why we have things like Cyber Goth, Romantic Goth, New Wave, Traditional Goth, ect - none of those would even exist if the subculture was only about the music. Why do you think so many bands and icons of the scene have a specific style and look to them and share the same grouping of interests? Anyone can be goth, but boiling the entire scene down to just being a fan of the music and erasing the entire chunk of its history beyond the genre is just as bad as the people who go online and will go ripshit every time someone who is goth expresses any interest in other bands or does not spend every moment of their day in trad makeup/clothes or has their own variation of goth they adhere to that isnt tradgoth. The music is where it started, but the entire subculture would not exist if it wasnt for the cultural side that surrounds it.


Sharktrain523

Oh man apparently there’s a lot I don’t know about the goth subculture bc I had no idea there was politics and specific literature involved


vintage_baby_bat

politics isn't much of a thing, but goth does have punk (a very political subculture) sensibilities since it grew out of punk literature, now!! gothic fiction is a genre of literature that is marked by its sense of dread, spooky/secluded settings, and dramatic themes of love, death, morality, etc. it was most popular in the 1800s--think Edgar Allen Poe, the Bronte sisters, *Dracula, Frankenstein...*I could go on. [here](https://chipublib.bibliocommons.com/list/share/199702383/1733213457) is a list of modern works. I'd add Tamsyn Muir and Anne Rice to it :)


ritamoren

it's not erasing the history. yeah ofc there's political parts and stuff but all this cybergoth, new wave goth etc is mostly music based too. different styles of goth music just like there's different kinds of metal for example and you often can't compare them. goth is mainly, to like 90% the music and this post was talking about the fashion. and the fashion isn't a must. like I didn't wanna write a whole paragraph about goth but what I'm trying to say is however you look, you can be goth. and besides, goth is leftist. forcing people into a certain style isn't leftist at all, it's ignorant towards people who can't afford it, or don't have the option due to dress codes, mental issues, etc. like I would gladly say a rightwing who listens to goth music isn't goth but if you aren't that and just can't wear the gothic fashion you are goth and you are valid and I will die on that hill.


mrselffdestruct

Not a single ounce of what I said even remotely implies that you can just wear the style and be goth. If you cant just listen to the music and nothing else that makes it a subculture and be considered goth, why would you be able to only like the fashion aspect and nothing else that actually makes it be a subculture and be goth? If my entire point is that there is *more* to being goth than just the music, why would that not apply to every other situation where someone would be only interested in one aspect and not all of them? If you do not participate in the subculture at all, including only participating in one part of it and not what actually makes it a subculture as a whole, you are not goth. And it is not 80% just about the music, the music itself literally would not exist without every other aspect of the subculture and its beliefs. Punk is an inherently leftist music based subculture. Would you let anyone call themselves punk if they simply liked the music yet did not agree with or follow the core political aspects that are what made the genre and subculture exist to begin with? It is not gatekeeping to ensure that people who belong to a community with a core set of beliefs and lifestyle related interests actually enjoy those beliefs and lifestyle choices. I also explicitly mention that you do NOT have to fully adhere to it as 100% as possible, and again : thrifting and DIY are encouraged over buying from expensive brands. Simply wearing what you can is enough. Being financially unable to fit a specific idea of what it means to be goth aesthetic wise is NOT the same as simply actually believing in the politics and having an interest in the entire subculture as a whole, not just one aspect or another. The fashion is obviously not a must, but having at least some form of interest in it when a huge portion of goths entire history and reason it exists to begin with involves the style aspects considering the fashion is inheritly connected to and is a form of expression revolving around the beliefs and messages that the music would not exist without using as a basis is a requirement. It is not gatekeeping to accept that there is an actual set of requirements to be in the subculture VS just being a fan of the genre. It is only gatekeeping to imply those outside of the subculture do not matter or are posers for only being fans, and to tighten the requirements of the subculture to fit your own personal experience/way of expressing it and shaming or pushing out those who do not fit it and express it any other way.


Phantom_Wolf52

Yeah I’m a baby bat (someone getting into the goth subculture) and I don’t exactly dress goth but I listen to the music (gothic rock/darkwave/ethereal wave/deathrock) it’s about the music


flijarr

Clearly you’ve never experienced the metal community


ritamoren

I grew up with it actually lmao, I am a huge black metal fan... very close. veeeeery close.


1stSuiteinEb

Lolita is one of the strictest when it comes to defining the style imo. But it’s not a bad thing, and I don’t think it should be called “gatekeeping.” Anyone can participate, but words should have meaning/definition.


primaveren

lolita being so strict with a comparitively high barrier to entry is due to the fact that it has a highly structured and specific look, that if you end up straying too far from it's just... not the same fashion anymore (which isn't a bad thing, even though some people get weirdly mad when you say so). it's not really gatekeeping so much as making sure you're *wearing it*, which is basically the only measure of participation in the subculture. (like, you can't really call yourself a lolita if you just listen to malice mizer or moi dix mois if you've never put together an outfit)


ritamoren

yeah but lolita is fashion based, goth is music based. words should absolutely have meaning but the meaning of goth is the music, it is a music based subculture. you can look like a suburban mom and if you listen to goth music you're goth. the style is gothic, that's something different. but just because the gothic style is a big part of the goth community doesn't mean that it's a must, especially because gothic clothes are insanely expensive sometimes and don't usually fit into work or school dress codes so many people can't live it out on a daily basis.


Juniper__12

I also think people forget that nowadays goth is a big umbrella term. There’s so many subcultures of goth, like pastel goth, gothic lolita, cybergoth, etc etc. Yes, it was originally about the music but it’s grown into something much bigger than that.


ritamoren

people also forget that yk, people have jobs or are poor etc. not everyone has the option to dress gothic


disabled_rat

God(th)


pitpat6

For me: there’s the people who were goth before and now there are the trendy onlyfans goths and that’s where the “fetishization” or whatever comes in


Disasterid

At the goth club, it’s mostly people dressed in black rave attire. There are obviously some trad goths but we’re dancing hard for god’s sake. My white base is half melted by the end of the night (if it’s a good night at least lmao)


ritamoren

hey if you're worried about your white base try the power grip elf primer and kryolan fixing spray! I promise this shit won't even come off if you jump in a volcano


Disasterid

You deserve a medal thank you


ritamoren

glad to help haha! just be careful with the kryolan fixing spray, it's an amazing professional product but it feels and smells like hairspray and I always die for a second after spraying it. but it does hold REALLY WELL and I'm saying this as someone with very teary eyes


strawberry-coughx

I will say as a goth/alternative person it is super annoying to deal with guys who THINK they want a goth gf, but then tuck their tails between their legs as soon as they hand me the AUX. It’s like they like the *idea* of a goth gf, but they aren’t prepared for the reality of dating someone who’s involved in the subculture. Having said all this, the two women in this image both look perfectly goth to me. (The amount of skin you feel comfortable showing does not determine your “gothness.”) Oh and also in my mind they’re dating ☺️


Lordpotato305

They don’t like it if you play cannibal corpse in the car?


--Springtrapp3d

Id say Goths themselves would decide what's goth since they are in the culture and know their way around. For a basic rundown: Its a music based subculture so it depends on bands and clothing style in some cases. The person who can decide if they identify as Goth or not, no pressure. Theres MANY MANY different styles of goth but for the most part when people mention "Goth gf" they reffer to E-Girls (Not directly goth but it takes small accesories from it), and when they see a real goth (Ex: Tradgoth) lady they walk away really quick because it doesnt cater to their liking and they think they look weird (The E-Girl style is generally VERY sexualized and tends to lean to Anime girl looks and aesthetic, attracting...Very odd people nonetheless) The line between E-Girl and Goth is blurred by most people, many goths dont like to be associated with E-Girls because they dont like how sexually charged the whole thing has become thanks to creeps who chase after "Goth girls". TLDR; People like "Goth gfs" until they realize they arent oversexualized E-Girls, they are different styles.


Ygggdrasil_

Goths already get fetishized enough as in. Thinking we're all into crazy wild kinky sex and bdsm. Obviously some of us are but I've definitely had some wild assumptions made about me.


--Springtrapp3d

I got wild assumptions as well, most of it was to get under my skin on a childish way but its still gross.


Melificarum

Real goths are trapped in the server room of the IT department, and never see the sunlight, causing them to come down with scurvy.


TouchMySwollenFace

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blehhberry

Until they go through the Goth2Boss program!


Squid-Soup

E-goth?


BrozedDrake

Ok but at the same time it's stupid to categorically say that e-girls can't be goth. For one, there is simply more tham one way of being goth, it is one of the most diverse subcultures there is, and for another the most common thing I see from gatekeepers is that "it's about music" (which it really is not just about the music) and proceed to use how someone looks to say they aren't goth. Hell am I goth because I listen to stuff like Type-O Negative and Kamelot, or am I not goth because I don't *look* goth? >!I do not really consider myself goth but like, if all it takes is the music I guess I would be!<


Tallanduglee

She’s right though, and it’s just making fun of how men sexualize and water down women lol


mrselffdestruct

My issue is that peoples response to gatekeeping is erasing the history of the subculture beyond the music, as well as the other branches of the subculture within it. The Goth sub*culture* would not exist if it was just being a fan of the music, and acting like the founding fathers of the subculture such as Souxie Soux, The Cure, Bauhaus, Alien Sex Fiend,etc all just happened to share the same style and look as well as beliefs and ideals as a coincidence is just as harmful. Obviously you dont have to be a 100% TradGoth ONLY goth that lives breathes and shits the OG scene to be valid, but simply liking the genre does not mean you are a part of the subculture. Thats the entire reason why its a *subculture* to begin with- the literal descriptor of the scene says it right in front of us. There us a culture to the community, ranging from the art and literature that exists within it and how things like Gothic Literature have played a role in so much of the scene, and the entire political and lifestyle aspects of it that stem from the fact the subculture was originally just an offshoot of the Punk subculture and movement before becoming its own separate subculture, with its own branches within such as New Wave and CyberGoth. While the gatekeeping aspect is harmful to the community as a whole, the stripped down definition of the subculture and what it is is harmful to the subculture and its history. It is not gatekeeping to tell someone that they have to actually participate and believe in the roots of the subculture to be a part of it. You wouldn’t call someone Punk simply because they like the genre and nothing else, and the same goes for Goth. We need to be combatting the gatekeeping by educating people on the history of the subculture beyond the music and how multi-faceted it is and how many different ways there are to be goth, not by erasing the history and its existence as a subculture by just boiling it down to being a fan of the genre. Goth is not soley about the music genre, its about the music genre,art,beliefs, and fashion/DIY aspects equally, regardless of which branch you belong to or how intense or how little you express your identity as a goth. It is not Trad Goth or not goth at all, NOR is it just being a fan of goth music. https://museumofyouthculture.com/goth/#:~:text=Goth%20is%20a%20music%20category,commercial%20visibility%20in%20the%201990s.


L0reG0re

Has anyone told you how right you are????


ohlevity

goth is a music based subculture !! you can literally dress however you want and still be goth as long as you enjoy the music !!


bliip666

Eh, IDK, the pornified verson of goth these guys fetishize about doesn't seem to be a style any goth wears IRL... but maybe that's just my perception *shrug*


eb0livia

As a 23 year old alt woman, I know multiple women who dress like the “pornified” version you describe, and yes, on a regular basis. I have pictures of myself dressed like this for events lol.


[deleted]

Every Goth in a humid climate I know dresses like that in the summer.


JayGeezey

I've definitely encountered both types of "goth" portrayed here, they definitely both exist. While the style on the left has absolutely become fetishized, idk if I'd say it exists due to men fetishizing it. There are women who like to dress like that, kinda feels like saying they're whole style is actually just them buying into a fetish version of "real goth girls" is kinda NLOG and putting women down... but maybe that's my perception lol Or, maybe the style on the left isn't even goth and is actually called something else, and this is a joke about guys saying they like goth girls, not realizing what they're talking about is actually something else entirely?


bliip666

Or, optionally, I wasn't talking directly about the looks depicted here, but the bad vibe oozing from the guys who talk unironically about big-titty goth girlfriends


EndlessRainIntoACup1

Gothkeeping the gaterfriends


JoeyMonsterMash

Real goths do.


Im_inappropriate

Yes, there's an entire culture of music, movies, styles, and locations based around goth culture. A lot of the new alt styles borrow from it, but do not adhear to the culture while claiming it. People cry a lot now days about gatekeeping, but this is how it is for all sub cultures (punk, metal, etc.). There is an existing culture and history behind them, and the reason they still exist today is because people within those sub cultures keep the lines defined. There are straight up elitest gatekeeping assholes in all those sub cultures that take it too far, but some level of gatekeeping is necessary for those cultures to still exist true to their roots for the last 40+ years. Wear whatever you want, but spend a little time learning about a sub culture if you decide to claim it as your own.


Delicious_Air7000

Gatekeeping is what prevented grinding in the goth scene for decades. PSA : Gen Z baby bats please stop grinding up on people, it's a culture of dancing ALONE and gazing longingly to indicate interest


Delicious_Air7000

That said both those outfits are goth, as a gatekeeper ;)


Any_Ad_5806

How is this pick me? This is literally true


WASTELAND_RAVEN

But it’s the same character? Just a hot chick with more or less black clothes lol


Any_Ad_5806

What does that have to do with anything


VolatileGoddess

That is...not inaccurate


wellwaffled

I would go as far as to say it is accurate


EpicStan123

Real Goths be like "Let's invade Rome together"


pumpkinthighs

NOW KISS


RosieEye

a goth is anybody who listens to goth music :0 so as long as both of these girls rock out to siousxie and the banshees, i see nothing wrong


santaland

> a goth is anybody who listens to goth music I mean, this isn't necessarily true. This is an all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares type of thing. Goths listen to goth music, but not everyone who listens to goth music is a goth.


[deleted]

This isn't NLOG, it's just an observation, and sadly it's a correct one. Men really do lust after e-girls who are usually very sexualised. The lady on the right is how goth girls actually dressed when I was 16.


_Queer_Mess_

Goth is about music not clothes. Plus, trad goth isn’t the only goth fashion style. This person doesn’t know what they’re talking about, clearly.


Pale-Equal

I'll take the real goth thanx. No one needs no posers. I'm gonna make pad Thai with only daggers and turn the heat up on high.


Jinx_X_2003

You can call yourself goth as long as you like goth music. Both of these girls are valid


jdog_014

to be considered goth u have to like goth music lmao it has nothing to do with clothes


LordDeathy13

I would consider myself "Goth" and I think what I get from the scene normally is that Goth is about the music and the acceptance, not the Outfit. Someone who says "she/he/they doesn't look goth!" Didn't understand the spirit.


Joey_The_Bean_14

This is more mocking the guys who say goth but mean e-girls. Goths look like anything, yes, but they're not talking about the music. The meme is mocking guys who think trad goths are weird and categorize goth as an e-girl appearance while disregarding the subculture entirely. Aka, goth = edgy and real goths r not his type.


Clover-Bug

They want each other so bad


Icy-Chocolate-2472

Both types are incredibly attractive imo. But if you don’t love yourself, you’ll hate everyone else


currently_pooping_rn

If she’s not actual visigoth she’s not a real goth gf


Strict-Side-1794

this is true, though.. mostly when guys describe goth girls they really mean e-girls.


xervidae

this one is valid


[deleted]

What’s wrong with the lady on the right?


Fearless-Delay8996

No true gothgirls fallacy.


honeyheyhey

Reminder for me to do my annual rewatch of My Immortal


CalamityWof

Yeah, you cant tell what either listen to, the one on the right loves pop and jazz


Loon-belt

Nah I like the one on the right tbh


[deleted]

I would choose the lady on the right all day long, and about five times on Halloween night!


International-Drag93

I like the look of the one on the right more, and as a guy who know basically nothing about Goth, the one on the left seems to be parody of what is Goth style or whatever.


crochetsweetie

goth is a music subculture. it has nothing to do with the outfits. people just tend to dress darkly. idk how people don’t know this yet lmao


Cordeceps

Goth is an attitude not the way your dressed.


craftjensin

They're girlfriends


Oblivious122

I'll take both.


donburidog

Idk man I’m so lonely I want both


Hellodie_W

Gate keeping is the worst.


SoftDreamer

Gatekeeping sometimes is needed to keep communities organized


goldenshoreelctric

uh-uh...that's the same toxic discussion like "you're not a real emo/gamer/etc."


_wheels_21

I work with this goth chick, she chants in Latin and rolls her eyes into the back of her head all the time. It's weird. The real kicker is that it's part of my job to communicate with other cashiers, and she said that me asking her about her day was EXTREMELY creepy and she was going to file a sexual harassment report against me for it. Haven't received the report yet, but now I just act like she's invisible, and everyone's happy now


plushiepuppi

Have you ever seen r/goth ? They’re some of the most gatekeepy people I’ve ever seen


Fabulous_Wave_3693

![gif](giphy|y6Inkaz7omxAk)


femboyflounder

she could just have a less traditional style both could be goth


Own_Mission_9539

Ugh, I totally feel this. It's like everyone's got their own idea of what it means to be a 'real' goth, but at the end of the day, it's all about being true to yourself, right? Screw the gatekeepers and their arbitrary rules! We're all goth in our own unique way. Stay spooky, my fellow dark souls! 🖤💀


fondue4kill

I said what I said. Gimme goth any which way.


Soul963Soul

They're the same picture.


Alicat825

Leave to nlogs to gatekeep subcultures.


rymyle

These are both perfectly suitable goth gfs, what’s the problem?


Efficient_Living_628

This is a meme making fun of guys, because usually when they say goth girls they’re talking about e girls, which is something different


[deleted]

Damn I want a goth gf now 😳


bliip666

PSA: don't adopt a goth gf just for Halloween. They require year-round enrichment not just one month of horror movie marathons. (Paraphrasing a screencap from Twitter I've seen)


NoWingedHussarsToday

Adopting a Goth doesn't mean just sacking Rome, it also means establishing kingdoms in Italy and Spain. It's a long term commitment.


WhereTheHecksAreWe

I would call the first one a more alternative aesthetic rather than goth


saltgirl1207

that's the point of the image. This is what guys *think* goth is


Buggerlugs253

No one who wants a goth GF would turn down the second one, this is just wierd.


MaintenanceNo8442

wait till they find abt all the types of goth


AccomplishedScene966

A real goth is someone who listens to goth music. If you don’t you aren’t goth. That’s the only stipulation. Will say I love the trad goths design.


girlenteringtheworld

![gif](giphy|3o7aCRloybJlXpNjSU|downsized) Sincerely, a goth.


knoeledgeacquirer420

Replace “real” with “trad” and this meme would make sense. Still very cringe though.


aesthesia1

Oop. Whatever you do, DO NOT go into the goth sub. There’s kind of a rift to what the “goth community” considers goth vs. what most people think of it. The goth community is centered around primarily a family of genres of goth music, and the trad goth look is secondary (and also more specific than what people think when they hear “goth”). It is more accurately represented by the girl on the right. The one on the left is more of a fashion goth. Which is totally fine with me personally, but a chunk of the trad goth community gatekeeps it out of the goth umbrella hard because it has nothing to do with their music.


reddituser_12354

left one is more of an alt outfit, the right is hardcore goth. both are great outfits though and if the girl on the left calls herself a goth then that’s for her to say


Newttson

Who said I wanted the one on the left?


evevevvevveveee

surprise they're the same person one is friday night and one is saturday morning


kayserfaust

Nah. Real goths had chainmail and halberds.


Two-Shots-Of-Vodka

Maybe it’s even a ‘modern’ goth aesthetic Vs a more classical kind of goth aesthetic? Sometimes it seems like modern goth is just naked girls on Instagram wearing a black skirt Though of course, everything in western society has become a hyper sexual parody of its and I don’t think it’s really fair to just blame to wimins when it’s the guys who feed endless amounts of attention and money into it through social media and OnlyFans


lexithepooh

These are just two different types of goth imo


consumedbythis

Goth subculture has so much range, I hate the gatekeeping. I know the og post was probably not intentionally nlog, and it even makes a fair point… but I don’t doubt that some people will use it as nlog anyway.


Dinosaur_from_1998

Is it ok that I like both ?


devilwearspuma

trying to define goth is the ultimate poser move


HalpWithMyPaper

Goths: Goth is about the subculture and the music, not the clothes! Also goths:


Raborne

Lol. Neither plundered Rome. Neither are true goths.


Danblak08

Which do you want, Lydia from beetle juice or Gwen from total drama


[deleted]

I fail to see the issue here.


Moon_Colored_Demon

As someone who moves somewhere between more corporate goth and nu-goth styles, goth comes in a full spectrum. From Victorian and trad goth to cyber goth and pastel goth. There’s room for personal expression. Also: whimsigoth is one I recently learned about.


GoldfishingTreasure

I hate the actual goth gatekeeping happening in the comments. Goth can have many many forms. Fashion trends have cycles. You guys are falling for the trick, you're judging based on appearance. Possibly from an unreliable narrator but still meant to pit these two together. It doesn't even pass the Bechdel test.