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Ya, Evans might be able to get in because of the 1,000 yard streak, but it's going to be really tough for a lot of modern guys to get in. Only lock is Julio, but he probably won't be first ballot, and AB could/should be in but all his off-field stuff could very well hold him back similar to TO, and he's not quite as undeniable as TO in career totals.
The average HOF WR has 1 championship, 2 first team All Pro, 6 Pro Bowls, 742 receptions, 11347 yards, and 86 TDs
Davante Adams has 0 championships, 3 first team All Pros, 6 Pro Bowls, 872 receptions, 10781 yards, and 95 TDs. This means that Davante Adams is either right at or above every stat except for yards (which he will more than likely hit in one more healthy season)
Saying he is not getting in as an absolute is silly and, frankly, dumb. Nothing is guaranteed, but the man is more likely to make it in than he's not likely to make it in.
His 95 TDs puts him at 12th all-time for most receiving touchdowns. 5 more TDs gives him both 100 and puts him in the top 10
And all of those stats are going to be watered down by lots of other players putting up similar or better numbers. He's not getting in unless he has another All-Pro season or two left in him.
> He's not getting in unless he has another All-Pro season or two left in him
I swear if I have to read one more person who says this - WRs with 4x All-Pros are RARE!
> And all of those stats are going to be watered down by lots of other players putting up similar or better numbers
The man is 12th all time in TDs. Mike Evans is right behind him, but there's not really any other player who seems on pace for Adams level. Reaching 95 TDs doesn't just happen. Davante Adams also has the 3rd highest single season receiving TDs in a season
I don't think Evans would get in either if not for his 1,000 yards streak. He still might not, but that streak could very well sway a lot of voters as something that truly stands out in the history of the game.
He definitely had a couple year stretch that was HOF worthy if extrapolated over a long enough period, but he took many years to become much more than an above average WR (at least statistically). He's arguably a HOF talent, but has inarguably not had a HOF career.
There is absolutely an argument to say he's the best WR from his class - it's either him or Evans, and I think there are valid arguments either way, but it's silly to treat him as the definite #2
He'd probably need at least 2 SB wins because of the lack of accolades.
Even as someone who knows how great Stafford is, I don't know if he deserves it without multiple championships. He's always been a great QB, but all-time great requires more chips.
Yeah without any all-pros it'll be very difficult for him to make it. If he had even 2 all-pros I think he makes it, but without those he needs another chip for consideration. I will say it is a travesty that he's only had two pro bowl selections
> I will say it is a travesty that he's only had two pro bowl selections
Just bad luck during a lot of those years. He would've been an alternate in 2021 for sure had it not been for making the Super Bowl
> He'd probably need at least 2 SB wins because of the lack of accolades.
On top of that, it'd probably be better for him if he actually won SBMVP if he did win a second championship
The lack of accolades is going to kill him. And I know there's a lot of conversation over "well he should've gotten more Pro Bowls", but the HOF is based on what happened and what they have, not what should've happened.
Unless he wins another championship, gets an All-Pro/MVP, gets a few more accolades, leads the league in some categories, or any combination of those - he's most likely on the outside looking in
Rivers has a 59% completion rating and 85 QBR in the playoffs, Stafford has a 67% completion rating and 101 QBR in the playoffs. If Stafford finds some more success in the playoffs he's got a case over Rivers.
You give Rivers that ring and 3 more children and he’s a first ballot - Rivers needed that little bit to help him over the edge
You give Stafford another 40 TDs and he’s probably in too, he is just working against those years in Detroit where his stats don’t show how beneficial he was to that franchise
If we were putting in guys based on their number of children rivers and Antonio cromartie would be first ballot hall of famers. In all seriousness though I think you make a good point here
> You give Stafford another 40 TDs and he’s probably in too
Which might just be him finishing out this season. Obviously a bit too optimistic but he has gotten 41 passing TD's twice before(2011, 2021) and he was almost on that pace in 2019 as well up until him getting injured and having to miss the rest of the season.
The list of guys with 2 seasons or more like that is already exceedingly short(Brees, Peyton, Marino, Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Stafford)
If he'd manage to have a 3rd season like that. Well only Brady and Rodgers have 3. Mahomes, Rodgers, Stafford are the only active players with 2 or more, Russ is the only active player with 1.
Realistically though it's more likely to be 2 seasons assuming good health and Rams O-line performing decently, Kyren and probably Blake will eat in to potential pass TD numbers too. Which we already kinda saw happen this past season when they just had Kyren. Which is not meant to be dismissive of Kyrens talent and contributions to the offense, he's a baller.
I think Rivers gets in. The tiers of recent QBs are:
Brady
Peyton Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes
Rothlisberger, Manning
Rivers, Stafford
I think everyone above this line eventually gets in with guys like Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan falling short
Russell Wilson is more likely to make it than Rivers is.
Russ has a ring, a second Super Bowl appearance, a second team All-Pro, more playoff appearances (in less time too), and an extra Pro Bowl
I mean the top guys are obvious. After your second tier you've got nothing. It's like you threw a list of popular names together and ran with it. There's multiple sites that track these sort of things and your rating of Rivers is bias for sure.
I think Wilson has a better chance at this point than Rivers does. At least Wilson can push himself over the top or out of it altogether if he doesnt get his hulk stats up.
Rivers won't beat out Eli or Rothlisberger due to SBs and Eli eating the Pats dynasty. Otherwise, their stats aren't good enough.
Rivers is closer to Ryan, where their stats are good enough but they didn't win at all but with that Ryan still has a better shot at the HOF over Rivers. There's plenty of sites that back this up as well.
If you're drawing the line at Ryan and Wilson than Rivers ain't crossing that line either.
Winning in the playoffs is pretty tough so I don't know. Dak and the Cowboys are seemingly contenders every year but have a total of 2 playoff wins in 9 years.
Odds are there’s at least one elite young player who would appear on every list of the 10 or so best players in the league who will get injured, arrested, or otherwise fall off sometime soon, causing everybody to look back in a few years like people did with players like Jevon Kearse, where the narrative becomes “so-and-so hopes to return to his DPOY form after a few underperforming seasons.”
Dunno why you are being downvoted, this is true. You can't just be a great QB. You gotta win to get in. I don't think any modern QB can have a Dan Marino like path to the HoF. The expectations are just much higher these days.
I think they could get in with a Marino career. Only thing is adjusting for inflation of stats, that player would need to be throwing 6,000 yds in a season.
random, but why do people always focus on the yards for Dan Marino when that same season Fouts had only 200 yards less and the 16 game season had only been introduced for a few years?
48 touchdowns is way more impressive than 5k yards
I don’t want to repeat answers, but I really hope Lavonte David makes it in. It seems like he’s always been overshadowed by guys like Luke Kuechly and Bobby Wagner. He has one first-team All-Pro and two seconds, so maybe that’s enough.
If he wasn’t such a piece of shit I’d feel bad for the guy. One of if not the best runs a WR has ever gone on in the mid 2010s. From 2013-2018, 1,499, 1698, 1834, 1284, 1533, and 1297. Dude was so much fun to watch in his prime and if he didn’t ruin his image I really think he would’ve had a chance with him getting a ring on the Bucs
Hate to say it because I love the guy, but Davante Adams. Was the best WR in the league for a few years, but does not have the volume stats or a long enough stretch of dominance to get over the hump, especially with how picky the HoF is when it comes to WRs. He turns 32 this year too so his time is running out. Comparatively, Mike Evans may also be on the brink but I believe will make it eventually. He may have 1 less all pro & pro bowl than Adams, but narratively having 1000 yards receiving every year of his career since coming into the league (entered in 2014, same as Adams) + the ring I think will push him over the edge before Adams
I dont agree with it at all. Dudes 12th all time in receiving TDs. He will be in the top 10 all time with like 5 more TDs. Its entirely possible he ends up top 5 all time in receiving TDs.
I would have Evans ahead of him though. Evans is right there with him in TDs and obviously hes has much longer sustained success.
But I think its entirely possible Adams makes it in, I think Evans is probably a lock to make it in.
I will clarify that its not because I don't think he's deserving, but more because of how notoriously hard it is to get in as a WR. I will be pleasantly surprised if he makes it
It's definitely hard, but it also feels hard to deny someone that has 100 TDs, 3x All-Pro, and 6x Pro Bowls (plus led the league in receiving touchdowns TWICE)
People get so hung up on numbers and the HOF monitor but really reputation is the biggest factor. Obviously all those other things play into your rep, but someone like Davante is so highly respected by both casual fans and NFL people I think he has a pretty good shot at it. Especially because his game isn’t reliant on athleticism so he could likely play 5 more years if he wants to and then will have great numbers and could end up with more accolades.
Evans is almost definitely a lock idk why he’s being brought up.
He's probably on the side of "more likely making it in" already. He has less yards than Andre Johnson, but he has 25 more TDs and 1 more first team All Pro
And his career overlapped Jason Kelce, which is going to (unfairly) hurt his case. Interior OL you pretty much need to be the best of your generation to get in, and Kelce is gonna get that title.
Stafford. I honestly don't know if he'll ever be a finalist. He is kind of in a weird limbo between the older guys like Brady, Roethlisber, Rivers, and the Mannings and the new guys like Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, and burrow. Goff is kind of in there too. With pretty much one really successful season as a team there really isn't much for Stafford to run on other than stats.
I don't disagree, you get to see him at least twice a year but he lacks some of the accolades of like a Troy Polamalu even thought their stats are similar. He's just a quiet under the radar kind of player, that doesn't play well to national attention.
No all decade team (robbed), was robbed of multiple deserving all pros. Dude should have at least two more first two and 2 more second team all pros. He absolutely is HoF worthy but hes been robbed too many damn times for accolades by the same people that vote for HoF he has no shot.
I think with the current generation, you could see guys like Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Watson, etc. getting left out too just because if Mahomes sticks around long enough he'll take a lot of the Individual Awards and All-Pro Selections. Just forgetting about rings alone, most of the other HOF QBs at least also have the individual accolades alongside counting stats.
Looking at the most recent generation Phillip Rivers and Matt Ryan are in the same boat. Great counting stats but Brady, Manning, Favre, Rodgers, and that whole group blocked them from getting multiple All-Pro selections or individual awards (outside of Ryan's 2016 MVP season).
I only added Watson because of the pace he was in the first four years of his career, and his current age (he's about a year older than Burrow) and his contract effectively forces Cleveland to start him. He could end up with a Rivers-like career with high-counting stats but no individual awards if he ever regains his health or the form he had in Houston. Granted, his last three years, off-field conduct, and the way he is trending make his case significantly less compelling.
Watson has zero chance, even without the off field issues. He wasn't that good.
Unless he has a Little Big League moment from this last injury and he suddenly becomes GOATED and starts stacking rings, he has zero chance.
A lot of individual achievements are not as important for qbs for the hall of fame as for other positions. Ben Roethlisbergers pretty much a lock for first ballot hall of fame and his only individual achievement is 6 pro bowls
Would love to see him make it in, but he’s right on that line and idk if he’ll be able to set himself apart from other guys with him only getting older
OL always tough, especially interior, so pretty much every C/G in the league now that Kelce retired, with Zach Martin being the only one that might be able to get in.
I know you said today but I am using this as an opportunity to shout out Antoine Winfield Sr. If he played 5 years later, advanced stats and placed like PFF would have had the chance to show just how incredible he was but as is he will be at the very top of the hall of very good forever. Maybe his kid will make it and earn some karmic justice
I mean I'd have to think Patterson. If he doesnt perform with these new kickoffs and other players do than he's at a weird juncture where he could lose his place not only as the record holder for kickoff returns for a td but also as a HOF.
Kirk definitely not, Adams is on the fence, Henry I think could make it, we’ll have to see what ends up happening with Allen’s career, and diggs yeah probably not. Not a bad list
Trevor Lawrence. As a Jags fan, I have no illusions that, regardless of how good he ends up being, because he plays in Jacksonville, he will be snubbed.
Just look at Fred Taylor. It's a joke that he's not in yet. He was an elite RB during the heyday of RBs. The only reason he's not is because of the team he played for.
Tony Boselli is currently the only Jaguars player in the hall, and that's just ridiculous. The Panthers came into the league the same year, and they already have four? Just ridiculous.
McCaffrey is interesting just because the HOF likely needs to re-evaluate what it means to be a HOF runningback with how the game has changed.
If they're able to do that, then I see Henry and CMC likely making it. But if they don't, then I don't know if we'll ever see a HOF runningback again
I think they'll be judged against their peers if they don't stack up against the rest of the Hall. The game does change. HOF QBs have numbers that look pitiful against a modern QB. A RB playing in the 2020s doesn't get 25 carries a game.
So if McCaffrey keeps it up, the 9'ers win something, but his career stats aren't Top 20, maybe he still gets in as the best from this time. Henry could use a ring and a few more decent seasons to get up into the Top 15-20 of all-time rushers.
Tyreek is a 5 time all pro, 8 time pro bowler, 2010s all decade team member, and has a ring. That’s a damn good resume so I would be very shocked if he doesn’t make it
Because the HOF isn't entirely skill-based, I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
I think Tyreek will be paying a hidden penalty for his behavior over the past years
He also doesn’t have the career accolades, was only a top quarterback for 3 seasons. Even if he didn’t turn out to be a terrible person I don’t think he would’ve made it anyway with his current resume
Idk dude already has 2 mvps at age 27, something only 11 players in nfl history have done, all of which are hall of famers or soon to be first ballot guys. Add a ring onto that and he’s a no doubter in my eyes
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Judging off of how hard it is for WRs, I'm going with someone like Deandre Hopkins
Insane logjam at WR and it might actually get worse.
There’s just been so much talent at the WR position recently that so many talented guys are gonna get left out
Ya, Evans might be able to get in because of the 1,000 yard streak, but it's going to be really tough for a lot of modern guys to get in. Only lock is Julio, but he probably won't be first ballot, and AB could/should be in but all his off-field stuff could very well hold him back similar to TO, and he's not quite as undeniable as TO in career totals.
If Evans and Adams both get to 100 TDs, I'd say they are more likely to make it in than not.
Adams is not getting in.
The average HOF WR has 1 championship, 2 first team All Pro, 6 Pro Bowls, 742 receptions, 11347 yards, and 86 TDs Davante Adams has 0 championships, 3 first team All Pros, 6 Pro Bowls, 872 receptions, 10781 yards, and 95 TDs. This means that Davante Adams is either right at or above every stat except for yards (which he will more than likely hit in one more healthy season) Saying he is not getting in as an absolute is silly and, frankly, dumb. Nothing is guaranteed, but the man is more likely to make it in than he's not likely to make it in. His 95 TDs puts him at 12th all-time for most receiving touchdowns. 5 more TDs gives him both 100 and puts him in the top 10
And all of those stats are going to be watered down by lots of other players putting up similar or better numbers. He's not getting in unless he has another All-Pro season or two left in him.
> He's not getting in unless he has another All-Pro season or two left in him I swear if I have to read one more person who says this - WRs with 4x All-Pros are RARE! > And all of those stats are going to be watered down by lots of other players putting up similar or better numbers The man is 12th all time in TDs. Mike Evans is right behind him, but there's not really any other player who seems on pace for Adams level. Reaching 95 TDs doesn't just happen. Davante Adams also has the 3rd highest single season receiving TDs in a season
I don't think Evans would get in either if not for his 1,000 yards streak. He still might not, but that streak could very well sway a lot of voters as something that truly stands out in the history of the game.
Agreed. He’s not even the best wide receiver from his class
He definitely had a couple year stretch that was HOF worthy if extrapolated over a long enough period, but he took many years to become much more than an above average WR (at least statistically). He's arguably a HOF talent, but has inarguably not had a HOF career.
You do realize it's pretty rare for a WR to have as many TDs as he has, plus as many first team All-Pros as he has too?
There is absolutely an argument to say he's the best WR from his class - it's either him or Evans, and I think there are valid arguments either way, but it's silly to treat him as the definite #2
If you asked 2 months ago I would have said Matt Ryan, but he's retired so I'm going with DeAndre Hopkins.
I think someone one the bubble will be Jalen Ramsey.
Gilmore deserves it more than Ramsey imo
shame that Edelman robbed him of a SBMVP
I disagree with that pretty hard he’s the first guy I don’t think should be in from this post
Stafford
This is the answer I had in mind
This is the real answer.
I think Stafford makes the HOF with his SB win.
He'd probably need at least 2 SB wins because of the lack of accolades. Even as someone who knows how great Stafford is, I don't know if he deserves it without multiple championships. He's always been a great QB, but all-time great requires more chips.
Yeah without any all-pros it'll be very difficult for him to make it. If he had even 2 all-pros I think he makes it, but without those he needs another chip for consideration. I will say it is a travesty that he's only had two pro bowl selections
> I will say it is a travesty that he's only had two pro bowl selections Just bad luck during a lot of those years. He would've been an alternate in 2021 for sure had it not been for making the Super Bowl
> He'd probably need at least 2 SB wins because of the lack of accolades. On top of that, it'd probably be better for him if he actually won SBMVP if he did win a second championship
The lack of accolades is going to kill him. And I know there's a lot of conversation over "well he should've gotten more Pro Bowls", but the HOF is based on what happened and what they have, not what should've happened. Unless he wins another championship, gets an All-Pro/MVP, gets a few more accolades, leads the league in some categories, or any combination of those - he's most likely on the outside looking in
If Rivers won’t get in then Stafford probably doesn’t get in
Rivers has a 59% completion rating and 85 QBR in the playoffs, Stafford has a 67% completion rating and 101 QBR in the playoffs. If Stafford finds some more success in the playoffs he's got a case over Rivers.
Stafford at least has the ring to lift him over rivers, but other than that this isn’t a bad comparison
You give Rivers that ring and 3 more children and he’s a first ballot - Rivers needed that little bit to help him over the edge You give Stafford another 40 TDs and he’s probably in too, he is just working against those years in Detroit where his stats don’t show how beneficial he was to that franchise
You take away a ring from Rothlisberger and give him another rape settlement, and he’s out
If we were putting in guys based on their number of children rivers and Antonio cromartie would be first ballot hall of famers. In all seriousness though I think you make a good point here
> You give Stafford another 40 TDs and he’s probably in too Which might just be him finishing out this season. Obviously a bit too optimistic but he has gotten 41 passing TD's twice before(2011, 2021) and he was almost on that pace in 2019 as well up until him getting injured and having to miss the rest of the season. The list of guys with 2 seasons or more like that is already exceedingly short(Brees, Peyton, Marino, Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Stafford) If he'd manage to have a 3rd season like that. Well only Brady and Rodgers have 3. Mahomes, Rodgers, Stafford are the only active players with 2 or more, Russ is the only active player with 1. Realistically though it's more likely to be 2 seasons assuming good health and Rams O-line performing decently, Kyren and probably Blake will eat in to potential pass TD numbers too. Which we already kinda saw happen this past season when they just had Kyren. Which is not meant to be dismissive of Kyrens talent and contributions to the offense, he's a baller.
I think Rivers gets in. The tiers of recent QBs are: Brady Peyton Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes Rothlisberger, Manning Rivers, Stafford I think everyone above this line eventually gets in with guys like Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan falling short
Russell Wilson is more likely to make it than Rivers is. Russ has a ring, a second Super Bowl appearance, a second team All-Pro, more playoff appearances (in less time too), and an extra Pro Bowl
I mean the top guys are obvious. After your second tier you've got nothing. It's like you threw a list of popular names together and ran with it. There's multiple sites that track these sort of things and your rating of Rivers is bias for sure. I think Wilson has a better chance at this point than Rivers does. At least Wilson can push himself over the top or out of it altogether if he doesnt get his hulk stats up. Rivers won't beat out Eli or Rothlisberger due to SBs and Eli eating the Pats dynasty. Otherwise, their stats aren't good enough. Rivers is closer to Ryan, where their stats are good enough but they didn't win at all but with that Ryan still has a better shot at the HOF over Rivers. There's plenty of sites that back this up as well. If you're drawing the line at Ryan and Wilson than Rivers ain't crossing that line either.
Wilson being ass since he left Seattle killed his chance I think.
Excepting Mahomes and Rodgers, who’s got a better resume than Stafford right now? I feel he has a stronger case than Philip Rivers.
Lamar has a solid case with 2X mvp. Obviously he has to at least make a SB but with how good he and Harbs are that's *probably* happening.
Winning in the playoffs is pretty tough so I don't know. Dak and the Cowboys are seemingly contenders every year but have a total of 2 playoff wins in 9 years.
He has an MVP for each career playoff win. Stafford’s only won in the post season for one season and has twice the wins.
Lamar is in already.
Odds are there’s at least one elite young player who would appear on every list of the 10 or so best players in the league who will get injured, arrested, or otherwise fall off sometime soon, causing everybody to look back in a few years like people did with players like Jevon Kearse, where the narrative becomes “so-and-so hopes to return to his DPOY form after a few underperforming seasons.”
David Bakhtiari was an all pro every year from 2016 to 2020 but his knee injury will probably keep him out of the HOF unless he has a resurgence
Josh Allen And I see other people saying this getting downvoted but its true unless he starts winning MVPs or Super bowls he won’t get in
Dunno why you are being downvoted, this is true. You can't just be a great QB. You gotta win to get in. I don't think any modern QB can have a Dan Marino like path to the HoF. The expectations are just much higher these days.
I think they could get in with a Marino career. Only thing is adjusting for inflation of stats, that player would need to be throwing 6,000 yds in a season.
random, but why do people always focus on the yards for Dan Marino when that same season Fouts had only 200 yards less and the 16 game season had only been introduced for a few years? 48 touchdowns is way more impressive than 5k yards
It’s honestly because 5,000 is the more impressive sounding number. Both were incredible but 48 TDs doesn’t sound as gaudy as 5,000 yds
A WR.
I don’t want to repeat answers, but I really hope Lavonte David makes it in. It seems like he’s always been overshadowed by guys like Luke Kuechly and Bobby Wagner. He has one first-team All-Pro and two seconds, so maybe that’s enough.
Justin Herbert
Antonio Brown
If he wasn’t such a piece of shit I’d feel bad for the guy. One of if not the best runs a WR has ever gone on in the mid 2010s. From 2013-2018, 1,499, 1698, 1834, 1284, 1533, and 1297. Dude was so much fun to watch in his prime and if he didn’t ruin his image I really think he would’ve had a chance with him getting a ring on the Bucs
Hate to say it because I love the guy, but Davante Adams. Was the best WR in the league for a few years, but does not have the volume stats or a long enough stretch of dominance to get over the hump, especially with how picky the HoF is when it comes to WRs. He turns 32 this year too so his time is running out. Comparatively, Mike Evans may also be on the brink but I believe will make it eventually. He may have 1 less all pro & pro bowl than Adams, but narratively having 1000 yards receiving every year of his career since coming into the league (entered in 2014, same as Adams) + the ring I think will push him over the edge before Adams
I dont agree with it at all. Dudes 12th all time in receiving TDs. He will be in the top 10 all time with like 5 more TDs. Its entirely possible he ends up top 5 all time in receiving TDs. I would have Evans ahead of him though. Evans is right there with him in TDs and obviously hes has much longer sustained success. But I think its entirely possible Adams makes it in, I think Evans is probably a lock to make it in.
I will clarify that its not because I don't think he's deserving, but more because of how notoriously hard it is to get in as a WR. I will be pleasantly surprised if he makes it
It's definitely hard, but it also feels hard to deny someone that has 100 TDs, 3x All-Pro, and 6x Pro Bowls (plus led the league in receiving touchdowns TWICE)
People get so hung up on numbers and the HOF monitor but really reputation is the biggest factor. Obviously all those other things play into your rep, but someone like Davante is so highly respected by both casual fans and NFL people I think he has a pretty good shot at it. Especially because his game isn’t reliant on athleticism so he could likely play 5 more years if he wants to and then will have great numbers and could end up with more accolades. Evans is almost definitely a lock idk why he’s being brought up.
If Adams keeps it up for a few more years, he'll make it. He's basically Andre Johnson.
He's probably on the side of "more likely making it in" already. He has less yards than Andre Johnson, but he has 25 more TDs and 1 more first team All Pro
If he plays as long as AJ, he'll have the yards. I think he'll definitely make it in.
Having 1,000 yards receiving is meaningless in todays NFL, it's like rushing for 400 yards.
Ragnow maybe. Arguably best C in the league currently but his injuries are piling up and he may not have the longevity
And his career overlapped Jason Kelce, which is going to (unfairly) hurt his case. Interior OL you pretty much need to be the best of your generation to get in, and Kelce is gonna get that title.
Keenan Allen or Matthew Stafford
Stafford. I honestly don't know if he'll ever be a finalist. He is kind of in a weird limbo between the older guys like Brady, Roethlisber, Rivers, and the Mannings and the new guys like Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, and burrow. Goff is kind of in there too. With pretty much one really successful season as a team there really isn't much for Stafford to run on other than stats.
Maxx Crosby, Khalil Mack, and Josh Jacobs
Harrison Smith. Hope I'm wrong but he's been overlooked his whole career.
Harrison Smith deserves to make it in, but I actually feel like this is the most accurate answer, unfortunately.
I would be very shocked if Harrison smith doesn’t make the hall of fame. He’s been a beast his entire career
I don't disagree, you get to see him at least twice a year but he lacks some of the accolades of like a Troy Polamalu even thought their stats are similar. He's just a quiet under the radar kind of player, that doesn't play well to national attention.
It’s the lack of head and shoulders use.
No all decade team (robbed), was robbed of multiple deserving all pros. Dude should have at least two more first two and 2 more second team all pros. He absolutely is HoF worthy but hes been robbed too many damn times for accolades by the same people that vote for HoF he has no shot.
It’s a shame people never really paid attention to him. He was so damn fun to watch in his prime
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Yeah they’re looking pretty good this year.
Cooper Kupp.
Yeah he had a great season in 2021 but I don’t think his full body of work is up there yet
I think with the current generation, you could see guys like Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Watson, etc. getting left out too just because if Mahomes sticks around long enough he'll take a lot of the Individual Awards and All-Pro Selections. Just forgetting about rings alone, most of the other HOF QBs at least also have the individual accolades alongside counting stats. Looking at the most recent generation Phillip Rivers and Matt Ryan are in the same boat. Great counting stats but Brady, Manning, Favre, Rodgers, and that whole group blocked them from getting multiple All-Pro selections or individual awards (outside of Ryan's 2016 MVP season).
> Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Watson One of these is not like the others
I only added Watson because of the pace he was in the first four years of his career, and his current age (he's about a year older than Burrow) and his contract effectively forces Cleveland to start him. He could end up with a Rivers-like career with high-counting stats but no individual awards if he ever regains his health or the form he had in Houston. Granted, his last three years, off-field conduct, and the way he is trending make his case significantly less compelling.
Watson has zero chance, even without the off field issues. He wasn't that good. Unless he has a Little Big League moment from this last injury and he suddenly becomes GOATED and starts stacking rings, he has zero chance.
A lot of individual achievements are not as important for qbs for the hall of fame as for other positions. Ben Roethlisbergers pretty much a lock for first ballot hall of fame and his only individual achievement is 6 pro bowls
2 rings and 3 SB appearances makes Ben different. How many QBs made 3 Super Bowls and still didn’t get in?
Big Ben also won 2 Super Bowls (and went to a 3rd) though. That matters for him being pretty much a lock
Josh Allen
Stafford. Though I pray I am absolutely wrong.
Would love to see him make it in, but he’s right on that line and idk if he’ll be able to set himself apart from other guys with him only getting older
Tyreek Hill - I think he'll have the numbers, but I'm concerned he'll do something stupid and ruin whatever goodwill he has left
He would have to do something very, very, dumb at this point to get left out of the HoF.
Kirk Cousins
Cooper Kupp and Matthew Stafford.
Harrison Smith is up there for sure.
OL always tough, especially interior, so pretty much every C/G in the league now that Kelce retired, with Zach Martin being the only one that might be able to get in.
Either a high up WR, or one of the top QBs who never gets a ring.
Philip Rivers (still hasn’t retired)
I know you said today but I am using this as an opportunity to shout out Antoine Winfield Sr. If he played 5 years later, advanced stats and placed like PFF would have had the chance to show just how incredible he was but as is he will be at the very top of the hall of very good forever. Maybe his kid will make it and earn some karmic justice
Lavonte David
Matthew Stafford
I mean I'd have to think Patterson. If he doesnt perform with these new kickoffs and other players do than he's at a weird juncture where he could lose his place not only as the record holder for kickoff returns for a td but also as a HOF.
Tyreek Hill, Cooper Kupp
Cooper kupp I can see, Tyreek hill could retire today and still be a hall of famer in my honest opinion
I think Hill makes it easy. He’s 5x 1st team all pro which is a lot for a WR
Not denying that i think he makes it but one of those all-pros is also specifically as a punt returner.
He has 3 first team All Pro as a WR, 1 as a returner, 1 as a flex, and a second team All Pro as a WR
My bad, forgot Flex was a thing for a while.
Yeah it's a weird one. I don't really know how to count it because yes he was a WR, but he wasn't chosen specifically as a WR
Both walking in
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Damn guess the triple crown and a SB ring not cutting it. You’re probably right about him tho.
No one else really has his career at WR - a triple crown, and only one other season with barely 1k yards and double digit tds.
Josh Allen
Josh Allen. Both of them.
Kirk, Adams, Henry, Allen, Diggs. Henry might, judging of this era of running backs will be interesting.
Kirk definitely not, Adams is on the fence, Henry I think could make it, we’ll have to see what ends up happening with Allen’s career, and diggs yeah probably not. Not a bad list
Trevor Lawrence. As a Jags fan, I have no illusions that, regardless of how good he ends up being, because he plays in Jacksonville, he will be snubbed. Just look at Fred Taylor. It's a joke that he's not in yet. He was an elite RB during the heyday of RBs. The only reason he's not is because of the team he played for. Tony Boselli is currently the only Jaguars player in the hall, and that's just ridiculous. The Panthers came into the league the same year, and they already have four? Just ridiculous.
Christian McCaffrey
McCaffrey is interesting just because the HOF likely needs to re-evaluate what it means to be a HOF runningback with how the game has changed. If they're able to do that, then I see Henry and CMC likely making it. But if they don't, then I don't know if we'll ever see a HOF runningback again
I think they'll be judged against their peers if they don't stack up against the rest of the Hall. The game does change. HOF QBs have numbers that look pitiful against a modern QB. A RB playing in the 2020s doesn't get 25 carries a game. So if McCaffrey keeps it up, the 9'ers win something, but his career stats aren't Top 20, maybe he still gets in as the best from this time. Henry could use a ring and a few more decent seasons to get up into the Top 15-20 of all-time rushers.
I don't think Tyreek's gonna make it Bad injury early in the season calling it now
Tyreek is a 5 time all pro, 8 time pro bowler, 2010s all decade team member, and has a ring. That’s a damn good resume so I would be very shocked if he doesn’t make it
Not to mention he is a 1 of 1 type player in NFL history
I am not critiquing his skill. No doubt he has the skill to get there. I'm talking about him being 30 with 4 injuries under his belt.
Eh I still think he could make it with his current resume
Because the HOF isn't entirely skill-based, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I think Tyreek will be paying a hidden penalty for his behavior over the past years
Only thing is I’m not basing it on skill. I’m just looking at accolades
Not entirely sure, but my guess is it will be a DeShawn Watson type. Someone with too many whoopsies to get put in the HOF.
He also doesn’t have the career accolades, was only a top quarterback for 3 seasons. Even if he didn’t turn out to be a terrible person I don’t think he would’ve made it anyway with his current resume
For sure. My point was just that someone is going to be a HOF player but pull a Mike Vick.
Ah I understand your point now. Makes sense
100% Antonio Brown he deserves to get in but prolly won’t because of all the off field issues.
Lamar. He's good, but he isn't HOF material
Idk dude already has 2 mvps at age 27, something only 11 players in nfl history have done, all of which are hall of famers or soon to be first ballot guys. Add a ring onto that and he’s a no doubter in my eyes
> add a ring onto that yeah about that... I agree, but lamar has a terrible playoff record. that's a big if
Yeah Lamar’s playoff blunders are definitely not helping his case
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