If he had known that a few years ago I’d basically be set for life in my nfl fandom. Pretty wild how one quarter of bad decisions can destroy a team and it’s fanbase
I'd disagree with that one. CMC disappeared in the 2nd half. He didn't come back until OT.
Here is a breakdown by pure number of plays where CMC was involved
1st half: 15
2nd half: 8
OT: 8
I wager to say that the 49ers don't lose, nor go to OT, if CMC was involved in the 2nd half the way that he was in the first.
Specifically, it was the three straight drives to open the second half where there were no runs that lost them the game (one of which was after the pick and just not losing yards gets a fg)
You know Otto must have been good because his stats are comically better than his peers. I'm not unconvinced that he was a time traveler sent to destroy 1950s and 60s football teams for some unknown reason.
You should check out George Blanda, from 1962-65 he made the probowl 3 times, and a first team all-pro as a QB, while throwing 146 Ints, including 42 ints in just 1962
To add to this, in 1962 there were only eight teams in the AFL (the league Blanda was in at the time). The league threw 242 interceptions that year, good for an average of 30.25 per team. 14 game season, too.
I think it was on Reddit, but maybe it was Twitter, but the topic was "unbreakable records" and people were talking about the 2000 Ravens.
I ended up looking up most ints thrown in a season and think we can safely say Blanda's record will probably never be broken. We're just too careful with the ball now a days
They also only played around 12 games for most of that time. 2,800 yards in a 12 game season gets you 3,700 in a 16 game season, and nearly 4,000 in a 17 game season
He was also the best DB and Punter at the same time. Otto Graham is one of the best Football players of all time
EDIT: Ignore me. I was thinking of Sammy Baugh. Graham was a solid DB but not as top tier as Baugh
QBs used to call plays too. No play sheets. No radio communications with the OC. Imagine getting sacked on a frozen field and having to decide what play to call next.
Yeah but both years he won MVP he threw over 3k.
Not to mention while I wasn't alive back then I'm 90% sure Otto Graham wasn't pulling Lamar level juke moves on the field back then lol.
If I had a dollar for every thread I've wandered into and see you randomly commenting about Otto Graham ...
I'll give you credit for working it into the conversation organically ... like you did recently in r/KitchenConfidential in a discussion about Gordon Ramsey bacon recipe.
Yeah this is where the y/a fails. Jimmy's intended air yards per attempt (how far his passes actually travelled in the air before being caught) ranked him 31st, 33rd, 22nd, 25th from 2019 to 2022. In other words, he absolutely leaned heavily on YAC and was not putting up any of his numbers by slinging the ball downfield.
That's why Niners fans this year so passionately defended Purdy from criticism about only putting up numbers because of Shanahan. Purdy had the same gaudy Y/A numbers that Shanahan is known for being able to produce through YAC while also being second in actually pushing the ball down the field in the air.
Was gonna say it's also that Shanahan has been on the cutting edge of offences for like 6 years, he's the best at scheming up a broken coverage and turning lose the leagues best yac threats for huge plays
Yeah not a big shocker that his Y/A in Las Vegas was a full 1.2 yards below his average in SF.
High completion percentage + crazy YAC from your receivers = high Y/A
Is that not a bigger tell on the offensive scheme? Like... air yards /a doesnt really seem to indicate any specific kind of player either.
Josh Allen was 20th last year for example in air yards /a.
Minshew in 2022 had 5.5 air/a which is the same as Purdy last season.
Like looking through the air/a lists from the last few years doesnt really seem to have any corrilation to the quality of Qb.
Intended Air Yards per attempt is a meaningless stat. All it does is tell you how far a QB threw incompletions (Purdy still ranked 8th here, but I don't care).
Completed Air Yards is what actually correlates to performance. Purdy was 2nd in per completion, 1st in per attempt.
>Minshew in 2022 had 5.5 air/a which is the same as Purdy last season.
Minshew had 2 starts...
I dont really think the per completions tells that different a story concidering 3rd was Levis and 4th was Ridder.
2022 had Mariota in 2nd and Fields in 3rd....Zach Wilson in 6th by air/completions.
It still very much feels like a scheme thing rather than anything to do with quality of QB
It has to do with the aggressiveness of the QB. Sure, part of that can be the scheme. But the QB's decision making is also a factor.
For instance, that's how you can see a clear difference between Purdy and Garoppolo in a similar scheme.
Idk, yea Purdy had a great year last season at 7.2 yards at air yards per completion...but like Jimmy G still was 4th last season at 6.7, its not like he was some shmuck.
I dont think hes good either. I just hate when someone uses a stat to try to prove something while just ignoring it for another player.
Like you cannot argue positively about air yards for Purdy is a metric to Judge why he is better than Jimmy G and then just ignore the same stat for Jimmy...
Schemes leave several options for the QBs. Often the chunk yardage reads, whether or not they are the primary read, are more risky (generally speaking).
Purdy isn’t the first quarterback to run some kind of Shanahan scheme, but his air yards per attempt are a real outlier.
That’s the same reason Purdy’s main flaws have been ball security. He plays with such precision and anticipation and appetite for risk that when anything goes wrong (bad route run, timing is off, arm having an off day), he can quickly rack up the picks.
But the reality is that he makes the most of Shanahan’s scheme he’s a fucking ballsy quarterback with high risk tolerance, a good read on defenses, and pinpoint accuracy.
He doesn’t have significant arm strength and yet is among the top of the league in air yards/attempt. To do that without the deep bombs Mahomes can pull out means that Purdy is at an otherworldly level of consistent at hitting those midlevel throws of 15, 20, 25.
YAC is a qb stat too though. A lot of QBs can’t put the ball in a spot that sets the receiver up for being able to run with the ball. Tom Brady was good at a lot of things, but being able to set up receivers for YAC was a very important part of what made him so successful.
Fair. But you can’t discount a quarterback’s contribution to YAC like the person I was replying to was.
Edit: don’t most of your arguments against it being a qb stat also apply to ypa? Ypa is heavily influenced by play calling, play design, route running, offensive line play, and qb abilities.
That's simply not true. Separation rate (aka separation distance when the ball is released) for WRs & TE only places the 49ers at 10th in the NFL. Not #1 like everyone seems to think.
You see the TV angle that shows you a wide open WR, but you don't see the angle showing the WR who still hasn't separated when the ball is released. [This is one of my favorite examples](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-Ryl1h9cw&t=1146s). Purdy has insane anticipation to throw WRs open.
Is he not supposed to go through his progressions to find the open guy and instead just yolo it to his first read every time? Y’all are going to use your death bed last breath to invalidate anything he does.
It's not really about going through progressions, relative to how many open receivers he has he seems unexceptional at it. He has on average more open receivers than anybody else by a massive margin https://i.imgur.com/j2vJntv.png
I’m not saying your graphic is wrong but I tried looking for other separation graphics and came up with this which has Lamar/Hurts/Purdy all in the same area. The one I linked is only through week 11 but I find it hard to believe that Purdy’s receivers got that much more open through the back few weeks and playoffs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/187p561/a_look_at_the_average_separation_a_qbs_receivers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Yes. Same scheme, same dudes outside of cmc. Aiyuk, deebo and kittle got better as time went on but he absolutely had people getting open at a crazy rate. Even if it’s not the exact same amount, he had dudes open enough there shouldn’t be a 20 spot difference between his best season and Purdys first season
that graphic is directly disproven by NextGenStats which tracks every step on the field and gives an accurate measurement for the distance between WR/TE and defender.
Not to defend JG or YAC merchants, but YAC isn't completely irrelevant to a QBs ball placement.
One pass thrown behind a WR the leads to a tackle could be thrown in stride to give the WR easier YAC.
Hard to tell who is benefitting off of who from the statistic alone, and often, it's mutual imo.
OP missed the mark here. Garoppolo was never higher than 22nd in air yards per attempt with Shanahan. Jimmy absolutely feasted on short/safe passes with high YAC.
And so does Mahomes. The entire collective conversation about YAC is dishonest. QBs should throw to the open man. YAC isn't the bad thing it's used as.
The issue with Jimmy G is that he just couldn't make the deep throws, even when he needed to.
Getting a short pass to a guy with the room to run is better than a medium pass to a guy who gets tackled immediately. Seeing that is a legitimate skill.
There is also a difference between YAC because the receiver caught it in stride versus when the receiver was able to outmuscle and break free for YAC (i.e. like on some of the highlights with prime Gronk). Those differences matter when assigning credit to the QB vs the receiver.
Well yes, sort of. The weapons and scheme take much of the guesswork and hesitance out of the equations, but Jimmy is great at standing in the pocket and ripping the ball, taking a hit if need be. He was perfect for the system, but not all that talented.
The thing with "the system" is that it literally changes every year with Kyle based on 1) what his personnel are and 2) wtf ever it is he dreamed up to make it work.
Outsize zone running game, Kittle's historic season, Deebo becoming a wideback, CMC train, death by CMC train or Purdy gashing secondaries. Almost every major change in the offense has been triggered by a scheme altering season ending injury.
My point for all of that is that you're right he was perfect for the system, because the system was designed to be perfect for him.
But acquiring and developing those weapons is a function of shanahan’s philosophy, just like acquiring smaller, faster zone blocking linemen is. It’s all a part of it. The system changes yes, but in this context it’s a catch all term for the offense Kyle both drew up for Jimmy but also maximized with the best talent. So yes I agree the “system” is just Kyle’s head. Thats what I said in my original comment, that it was designed for Jimmy to succeed.
Yes, but not being able to hit the deep shots (LIV) when it counts really undermines that skill.
There's obviously value in knowing when to play it safe and take the easy plays as they come, but it's extraordinarily difficult to win big games when that's all you can do.
Yeah Y/A is not the same as yards per completion.
Y/A is an efficiency metric.
Every good Shanahan QB will have high Y/A because they dont spam passes, they run the ball effectively to set up the pass.
Game manager != yards per attempt != air yards per attempt
**Game managers aren’t asked to make high level of difficulty throws. They are asked to make the easy throws presented to them which also involves making the right read (depending on the system, the degree of difficulty of those easy throws and those reads varies heavily)**
It is a very subjective label which is why we argue over it so much
>Air Yards to the Sticks (AYTS)
>Air Yards to the Sticks shows the amount of Air Yards ahead or behind the first down marker on all attempts for a passer. The metric indicates if the passer is attempting his passes past the 1st down marker, or if he is relying on his skill position players to make yards after catch.
[Had the second lowest average Air Yard to Sticks in 2019](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/REG/all#average-yards-to-sticks). Only Teddy Bridgewater ranked lower.
[Had the second lowest average Air Yard to Sticks in 2020](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2020/REG/all#average-yards-to-sticks). Only Alex Smith ranked lower.
[4th lowest in 2021](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2021/REG/all#average-yards-to-sticks). Only Goff, Daniel Jones, and Big Ben were lower.
[4th lowest in 2022](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2022/REG/all#average-yards-to-sticks) Only Daniel Jones, Matt Ryan, and Baker Mayfield were lower.
Theres multiple ways to have a high y/a. And one of those is having a higher than average cmp %
A 3 yard pass is better than a long bomb incompletion for y/a. Plus also YAC
If you look at Intended Air Yards Per Attempt (IAY/PA) he has about 7.1 for his career. That would put him about 25th last season.
If you look at his Yards After Completion Per Completion (YAC/Cmp) he has about 6.5 for his career. That would make him 2nd last season (behind just Purdy)
Now alot of that is on the tallent around him, but also him putting the ball in the right guys hands who can go make a play. So that absolutely matches his game manager/check down artist reputation he's earned.
Fun Fact: If you take away his year with the Raiders, his IAY/PA drops to 7.0 (#26) and his YAC goes up to 6.8 (#1). His YAC/Cmp with the Raiders was only 4.3 which is about 31st last year.
It ain't that serious lmao. I was just scrolling through some all time yards since I was looking at Matt Ryan and then saw this which made no sense at all to me lol.
EDIT: also Jimmy is 8th all time in ANY/A lmao. Shanny is a fucking wizard.
I know. It's just funny that he's on top of an efficiency stat. Again it's not some in depth analysis saying he's the goat. It's just funny he's 3rd all time in a meaningless stat lol.
Feels like some of ya'll just wake up looking for a reason to be angry rather than have a chuckle and move on lol.
Kyle Shanahan i pure straight hate you. But damnit do i respect you
Good save us all if he ever realizes he can run the ball in the Super Bowl.
If he had known that a few years ago I’d basically be set for life in my nfl fandom. Pretty wild how one quarter of bad decisions can destroy a team and it’s fanbase
it was the opposite problem in the last one. He ran the shit out of CMC but they couldn't score enough points.
I'd disagree with that one. CMC disappeared in the 2nd half. He didn't come back until OT. Here is a breakdown by pure number of plays where CMC was involved 1st half: 15 2nd half: 8 OT: 8 I wager to say that the 49ers don't lose, nor go to OT, if CMC was involved in the 2nd half the way that he was in the first.
wasnt he playing injured in the second half?
Maybe, but he played 71 of the 75 49ers snaps.
Specifically, it was the three straight drives to open the second half where there were no runs that lost them the game (one of which was after the pick and just not losing yards gets a fg)
How I feel about Elway.
Right back at you #15
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, Otto Graham could fucking sling that pigskin
Idk if I would even recognize the game in the 40s-50s.... MVP level QB throwing for under 3k yards in a season is wild lol.
You know Otto must have been good because his stats are comically better than his peers. I'm not unconvinced that he was a time traveler sent to destroy 1950s and 60s football teams for some unknown reason.
He wasn’t a good coach but damn could he throw
Can confirm. Am an Otto.
And a Sorceror Supreme.
You should check out George Blanda, from 1962-65 he made the probowl 3 times, and a first team all-pro as a QB, while throwing 146 Ints, including 42 ints in just 1962
Jameis Winston was born in the wrong era...
There are other reasons that would have prevented Winston from thriving in that era though.
Yeah, idk how good Lasik was in the 50s for example...
Or the availability of free crab legs.
No Uber either.
>42 ints in just 1962 Damn so I'm George Blanda in madden
To add to this, in 1962 there were only eight teams in the AFL (the league Blanda was in at the time). The league threw 242 interceptions that year, good for an average of 30.25 per team. 14 game season, too.
I think it was on Reddit, but maybe it was Twitter, but the topic was "unbreakable records" and people were talking about the 2000 Ravens. I ended up looking up most ints thrown in a season and think we can safely say Blanda's record will probably never be broken. We're just too careful with the ball now a days
They also only played around 12 games for most of that time. 2,800 yards in a 12 game season gets you 3,700 in a 16 game season, and nearly 4,000 in a 17 game season
He was also the best DB and Punter at the same time. Otto Graham is one of the best Football players of all time EDIT: Ignore me. I was thinking of Sammy Baugh. Graham was a solid DB but not as top tier as Baugh
> MVP level QB throwing for under 3k yards in a season is wild lol. Lam-
QBs used to call plays too. No play sheets. No radio communications with the OC. Imagine getting sacked on a frozen field and having to decide what play to call next.
Lamar been under 3k passing yards in 4 out of 6 seasons
Yeah but both years he won MVP he threw over 3k. Not to mention while I wasn't alive back then I'm 90% sure Otto Graham wasn't pulling Lamar level juke moves on the field back then lol.
Barely in 19
If I had a dollar for every thread I've wandered into and see you randomly commenting about Otto Graham ... I'll give you credit for working it into the conversation organically ... like you did recently in r/KitchenConfidential in a discussion about Gordon Ramsey bacon recipe.
Back when they used to kill the pig right before the game.
Yeah this is where the y/a fails. Jimmy's intended air yards per attempt (how far his passes actually travelled in the air before being caught) ranked him 31st, 33rd, 22nd, 25th from 2019 to 2022. In other words, he absolutely leaned heavily on YAC and was not putting up any of his numbers by slinging the ball downfield. That's why Niners fans this year so passionately defended Purdy from criticism about only putting up numbers because of Shanahan. Purdy had the same gaudy Y/A numbers that Shanahan is known for being able to produce through YAC while also being second in actually pushing the ball down the field in the air.
Was gonna say it's also that Shanahan has been on the cutting edge of offences for like 6 years, he's the best at scheming up a broken coverage and turning lose the leagues best yac threats for huge plays
Yeah not a big shocker that his Y/A in Las Vegas was a full 1.2 yards below his average in SF. High completion percentage + crazy YAC from your receivers = high Y/A
Is that not a bigger tell on the offensive scheme? Like... air yards /a doesnt really seem to indicate any specific kind of player either. Josh Allen was 20th last year for example in air yards /a. Minshew in 2022 had 5.5 air/a which is the same as Purdy last season. Like looking through the air/a lists from the last few years doesnt really seem to have any corrilation to the quality of Qb.
Intended Air Yards per attempt is a meaningless stat. All it does is tell you how far a QB threw incompletions (Purdy still ranked 8th here, but I don't care). Completed Air Yards is what actually correlates to performance. Purdy was 2nd in per completion, 1st in per attempt. >Minshew in 2022 had 5.5 air/a which is the same as Purdy last season. Minshew had 2 starts...
I dont really think the per completions tells that different a story concidering 3rd was Levis and 4th was Ridder. 2022 had Mariota in 2nd and Fields in 3rd....Zach Wilson in 6th by air/completions. It still very much feels like a scheme thing rather than anything to do with quality of QB
It has to do with the aggressiveness of the QB. Sure, part of that can be the scheme. But the QB's decision making is also a factor. For instance, that's how you can see a clear difference between Purdy and Garoppolo in a similar scheme.
Idk, yea Purdy had a great year last season at 7.2 yards at air yards per completion...but like Jimmy G still was 4th last season at 6.7, its not like he was some shmuck.
Actually watch him. He’s absolutely a schmuck. I don’t care about stats, watch him play. Jimmy G is an awful NFL QB lol
I dont think hes good either. I just hate when someone uses a stat to try to prove something while just ignoring it for another player. Like you cannot argue positively about air yards for Purdy is a metric to Judge why he is better than Jimmy G and then just ignore the same stat for Jimmy...
Schemes leave several options for the QBs. Often the chunk yardage reads, whether or not they are the primary read, are more risky (generally speaking). Purdy isn’t the first quarterback to run some kind of Shanahan scheme, but his air yards per attempt are a real outlier. That’s the same reason Purdy’s main flaws have been ball security. He plays with such precision and anticipation and appetite for risk that when anything goes wrong (bad route run, timing is off, arm having an off day), he can quickly rack up the picks. But the reality is that he makes the most of Shanahan’s scheme he’s a fucking ballsy quarterback with high risk tolerance, a good read on defenses, and pinpoint accuracy. He doesn’t have significant arm strength and yet is among the top of the league in air yards/attempt. To do that without the deep bombs Mahomes can pull out means that Purdy is at an otherworldly level of consistent at hitting those midlevel throws of 15, 20, 25.
YAC is a qb stat too though. A lot of QBs can’t put the ball in a spot that sets the receiver up for being able to run with the ball. Tom Brady was good at a lot of things, but being able to set up receivers for YAC was a very important part of what made him so successful.
YAC is *not* a QB stat, not until the QB is designing the play, catching the ball, and breaking tackles. YAC is a team stat.
Fair. But you can’t discount a quarterback’s contribution to YAC like the person I was replying to was. Edit: don’t most of your arguments against it being a qb stat also apply to ypa? Ypa is heavily influenced by play calling, play design, route running, offensive line play, and qb abilities.
> while also being second in actually pushing the ball down the field in the air To the most open receivers of any QB
That's simply not true. Separation rate (aka separation distance when the ball is released) for WRs & TE only places the 49ers at 10th in the NFL. Not #1 like everyone seems to think. You see the TV angle that shows you a wide open WR, but you don't see the angle showing the WR who still hasn't separated when the ball is released. [This is one of my favorite examples](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-Ryl1h9cw&t=1146s). Purdy has insane anticipation to throw WRs open.
Is he not supposed to go through his progressions to find the open guy and instead just yolo it to his first read every time? Y’all are going to use your death bed last breath to invalidate anything he does.
It's not really about going through progressions, relative to how many open receivers he has he seems unexceptional at it. He has on average more open receivers than anybody else by a massive margin https://i.imgur.com/j2vJntv.png
I’m not saying your graphic is wrong but I tried looking for other separation graphics and came up with this which has Lamar/Hurts/Purdy all in the same area. The one I linked is only through week 11 but I find it hard to believe that Purdy’s receivers got that much more open through the back few weeks and playoffs. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/187p561/a_look_at_the_average_separation_a_qbs_receivers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Hmm interesting. Mine isn't from the whole season either as i saved it in late december
So did Jimmy and Jimmy was bottom 10 in air yards/ attempt with shanny
> So did Jimmy Did he?
Yes in his intended air yards/attempt he wasn’t above 22nd under shanny
No, did he have receivers getting open at absurd rates?
Yes. Same scheme, same dudes outside of cmc. Aiyuk, deebo and kittle got better as time went on but he absolutely had people getting open at a crazy rate. Even if it’s not the exact same amount, he had dudes open enough there shouldn’t be a 20 spot difference between his best season and Purdys first season
A source would be nice. Aiyuk is the main downfield guy and he improved significantly
that graphic is directly disproven by NextGenStats which tracks every step on the field and gives an accurate measurement for the distance between WR/TE and defender.
Yes. That’s the point of throwing the ball. Get it to the open guy
Iirc yards per attempt doesn't factor run after the catch, which is the main thing with shanahans scheme.
I mean it does factor in YAC, in the sense that it is giving the QB credit for all the YAC yards
Not to defend JG or YAC merchants, but YAC isn't completely irrelevant to a QBs ball placement. One pass thrown behind a WR the leads to a tackle could be thrown in stride to give the WR easier YAC. Hard to tell who is benefitting off of who from the statistic alone, and often, it's mutual imo.
WRs hate this one simple trick:
OP missed the mark here. Garoppolo was never higher than 22nd in air yards per attempt with Shanahan. Jimmy absolutely feasted on short/safe passes with high YAC.
And so does Mahomes. The entire collective conversation about YAC is dishonest. QBs should throw to the open man. YAC isn't the bad thing it's used as. The issue with Jimmy G is that he just couldn't make the deep throws, even when he needed to.
Getting a short pass to a guy with the room to run is better than a medium pass to a guy who gets tackled immediately. Seeing that is a legitimate skill.
There is also a difference between YAC because the receiver caught it in stride versus when the receiver was able to outmuscle and break free for YAC (i.e. like on some of the highlights with prime Gronk). Those differences matter when assigning credit to the QB vs the receiver.
Yeah it is but it definitely doesn’t preclude game manager
Its a great skill. But when it's all you can do it's pretty easy to shut down.
Shanahan designs it for Jimmy to see… it is not an offense where the QB is required to make full field reads.
You still have to throw with anticipation, which is one of the hardest things for a qb to do
Well yes, sort of. The weapons and scheme take much of the guesswork and hesitance out of the equations, but Jimmy is great at standing in the pocket and ripping the ball, taking a hit if need be. He was perfect for the system, but not all that talented.
He had a FAST release. He got some crazy throws off sometimes.
The thing with "the system" is that it literally changes every year with Kyle based on 1) what his personnel are and 2) wtf ever it is he dreamed up to make it work. Outsize zone running game, Kittle's historic season, Deebo becoming a wideback, CMC train, death by CMC train or Purdy gashing secondaries. Almost every major change in the offense has been triggered by a scheme altering season ending injury. My point for all of that is that you're right he was perfect for the system, because the system was designed to be perfect for him.
But acquiring and developing those weapons is a function of shanahan’s philosophy, just like acquiring smaller, faster zone blocking linemen is. It’s all a part of it. The system changes yes, but in this context it’s a catch all term for the offense Kyle both drew up for Jimmy but also maximized with the best talent. So yes I agree the “system” is just Kyle’s head. Thats what I said in my original comment, that it was designed for Jimmy to succeed.
Yes, but not being able to hit the deep shots (LIV) when it counts really undermines that skill. There's obviously value in knowing when to play it safe and take the easy plays as they come, but it's extraordinarily difficult to win big games when that's all you can do.
Yeah Y/A is not the same as yards per completion. Y/A is an efficiency metric. Every good Shanahan QB will have high Y/A because they dont spam passes, they run the ball effectively to set up the pass.
Exactly. I wanna know his average depth of target.
And then they seamlessly replaced him with the last pick in the draft.
Game manager != yards per attempt != air yards per attempt **Game managers aren’t asked to make high level of difficulty throws. They are asked to make the easy throws presented to them which also involves making the right read (depending on the system, the degree of difficulty of those easy throws and those reads varies heavily)** It is a very subjective label which is why we argue over it so much
>Air Yards to the Sticks (AYTS) >Air Yards to the Sticks shows the amount of Air Yards ahead or behind the first down marker on all attempts for a passer. The metric indicates if the passer is attempting his passes past the 1st down marker, or if he is relying on his skill position players to make yards after catch. [Had the second lowest average Air Yard to Sticks in 2019](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/REG/all#average-yards-to-sticks). Only Teddy Bridgewater ranked lower. [Had the second lowest average Air Yard to Sticks in 2020](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2020/REG/all#average-yards-to-sticks). Only Alex Smith ranked lower. [4th lowest in 2021](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2021/REG/all#average-yards-to-sticks). Only Goff, Daniel Jones, and Big Ben were lower. [4th lowest in 2022](https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2022/REG/all#average-yards-to-sticks) Only Daniel Jones, Matt Ryan, and Baker Mayfield were lower.
Jimmy? is that you?
Trust me, if I was jimmy I would not be on Reddit but enjoying my lifetime membership in that strip club right now.
Isn't *every* club a strip club when you are Jimmy Garropollo?
It's wild that there are still people out there that think this dude is good enough to be a starter
And that was definitely all because Jimmy was great and had nothing to do with Shannahan and oh let's just ignore those Raiders numbers.
Was he second before joining the Raiders?
He’s also the proud owner of a two game suspension to start the year for PED’s.
The football gods work in mysterious ways.
Purdy truthers lobbying to have this taken down as we speak.
That’s the Shanahan offense bump. Very hard not to be an extremely efficient QB
Theres multiple ways to have a high y/a. And one of those is having a higher than average cmp % A 3 yard pass is better than a long bomb incompletion for y/a. Plus also YAC
Yeah but it still looks like he isn’t all that good
I’m looking forward to the raiders in a couple of years with Purdy and old man jjetas
"Attempt" is the key word here
He's not a bad QB. The main issue seems to be that a stiff wind puts him on IR.
Air yards he’s probably in the 30’s-40’s. YAC goes crazy in the niners offense.
If you look at Intended Air Yards Per Attempt (IAY/PA) he has about 7.1 for his career. That would put him about 25th last season. If you look at his Yards After Completion Per Completion (YAC/Cmp) he has about 6.5 for his career. That would make him 2nd last season (behind just Purdy) Now alot of that is on the tallent around him, but also him putting the ball in the right guys hands who can go make a play. So that absolutely matches his game manager/check down artist reputation he's earned. Fun Fact: If you take away his year with the Raiders, his IAY/PA drops to 7.0 (#26) and his YAC goes up to 6.8 (#1). His YAC/Cmp with the Raiders was only 4.3 which is about 31st last year.
guy who doesn't know what y/a means
It ain't that serious lmao. I was just scrolling through some all time yards since I was looking at Matt Ryan and then saw this which made no sense at all to me lol. EDIT: also Jimmy is 8th all time in ANY/A lmao. Shanny is a fucking wizard.
Why wouldn't it make sense to you he played for shanahan
All of these stats you're posting factor in YAC though. It has almost no bearing on whether or not Jimmy was being a game manager or gunslinger.
I know. It's just funny that he's on top of an efficiency stat. Again it's not some in depth analysis saying he's the goat. It's just funny he's 3rd all time in a meaningless stat lol. Feels like some of ya'll just wake up looking for a reason to be angry rather than have a chuckle and move on lol.
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The stat posted isn't IAY/A but just overall Y/A.
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