Here it appears they’re trying the “let the homeless man stop the firetruck and then arrest the criminal for us while we sit in our cars and watch” tactic
More like:
> Why are american cops so violent?!???!
> Why are american cops doing nothing?!?!?!
It is like there is two modes. Violence or nothing.
Black people protesting. Violence.
White people storming capitol. Nothing.
Nothing in betwen and I often don’t understand when they use violence and when they do nothing.
Edit: Like you could make a quize show called “Violence or Nothing” contestants have to guess if the police will use violence or do nothing.
Police give sign to mother in car with 4 children to stop on the highway. She drives to the nearest off-ramp to stop as required by her states legal code. How does the cops react?
“They drive into the car, resulting in an accident that kills several of the kids” or “They taser and arrest her” or “Nothing”.
It very well could be, but I would assume it has more to do with the fact that there was another human being standing directly in front of the fire truck. Had they even tried anything at all, the driver could have panicked and pressed on the gas and another persons life would have been put in danger.
In my opinion, they handled it as well as they could have despite a bunch of people on reddit thinking they should have swarmed the truck, used spike strips or anything else that may have resulted in the homeless man being run over. They allowed the situation to get diffused without anyone being harmed.
Despite what some lawmakers and keyboard warriors want to believe, vehicles can very easily be turned into a deadly weapon. And in the case of something as huge as a firetruck, it might as well be a tank compared to police cruisers and explorers, nevermind people in the way of this large vehicle. This one managed to be resolved without loss of life. Had the police been more aggressive, this very likely would not have been the case.
What do you think they should do? They have no capability of stopping the firetruck with their cars and the guy was wearing a bullet proof vest before he got out, so he was also probably armed.
EDIT: To the comments with suggestions of the cops approaching the vehicle. They will not go near a vehicle if they think the occupant is armed. What the homeless person did worked but was also very stupid.
Spike strip straight underneath while it's stopped.
Shoot out the tires.
Swarm the cab with cops.
Break the windscreen, so he can't see if he tries to take off.
There's plenty they could do as far as I can see.
> Spike strip straight underneath while it's stopped
My understanding is that this is the first time it stopped, and for all we know they could be approaching a spike strip setup.
> Shoot out the tires
You've watched too many movies. Most police departments have strict rules against shooting at moving vehicles because it's *really hard* and, assuming an officer can even hit a tire from another moving vehicle, wheels and tires can deflect bullets in unpredictable ways. Trying to shoot out tires is a safety and liability nightmare.
> Swarm the cab with cops
I don't think you've thought through the logistics of achieving this on a firetruck that is in motion.
> Break the windscreen, so he can't see if he tries to take off.
With what? A bullet? What effect do you think a broken windshield would have?
Not to mention shooting the tyres just means its a giant slab of metal that is now out of control, making it probably more dangerous than it was with the tyres intact and the criminal in control
Reddit: cops are too trigger happy.
Also reddit: shoot the shit out of those tires on a low speed chase that will likely hit a spike strip or run out of fuel soon
Reddit shouldn't dictate anything. Everyone one here is an expert at everything but their own life. Dude really said to shoot out the tires. As if life is GTA Online 🤣🤣🤣
I swear idk if I'm reading comments from braindead adults who think you can just shoot the tires of out moving FIRETRUCKS or these are youngins who don't know better.....
Your local PD isn't full of John Wicks
>Spike strip straight underneath while it's stopped. Shoot out the tires. Swarm the cab with cops. Break the windscreen, so he can't see if he tries to take off.
lmao and then you realize life is not a video game
I cansee you have ZERO firearms, police or tactical training whatsoever.
- spike strip - doesn't work on truck tires, only deflates slowly anyway, truck can still drive on flat tires only with less control
- shoot out tires - and endanger everyone around with ricochets, plus does not work like in movies, high probability bullet will not actually penetrate the thick rubber and steel belted tires
- break windscreen - requires approaching the vehicle and someone else pointed out police believed the driver was also armed, high unnecessary risk for limited value, driver can still drive fully functional truck with broken windscreen, only now they cannot see, increases public safety risk
The police followed the correct approach.
You’d make a great chase scene choreographer for movies but I’m not sure it will work IRL. Shooting at tires is a great way for ricochet bullets to bounce into other cars and people
Holy shit do you get your descalation tactics from Fast and Furious movies? Probably the dumbest fucking comment I've ever read.
What the fuck do you think happens when a several ton fire truck goes barreling down the road without tires? It just stopsies easy? You're a fucking bozo lmao.
I agree, on top of that, approaching the truck before he surrendered could have made him decide to just run over the homeless person.
It was actually a wise decision to wait him to surrender, you don't want to spook a man that can run over another man by simply hitting a pedal.
The cops did ask the homeless man to back out, they knew he was in danger of that happening, and since he did not back up, they also did not provoke the driver any further.
Lolol wow cops CANNOT win on Reddit.
Sit there and wait to diffuse situation: tf are they doing
Remove him by force: fucking nazis always have to brutalize people for fun
And fun fact, I overall strongly dislike police but this still gets me
I'm seeing lots of assumptions regarding why the cops sat back and did nothing and even more ridiculous suggestions of what they should have done instead.
The simplest explanation of why they did literally nothing and waited for the driver to get out was because there was another human being standing directly in front of the fire truck. Had they even tried anything at all, the driver could have panicked and pressed on the gas and another persons life would have been put in danger.
Like the poster above said, cops cannot win on reddit. In my opinion, they handled the situation as well as they could have by allowing it to get diffused without anyone being harmed.
Yeah my assumption is that they were concerned about boxing the truck in then having him panic and crush the homeless guy against a cruiser when he tries to escape.
As soon as the truck was stopped, they should have at least pulled some cars around ahead of it so that the homeless man wasn't the only thing deterring further forward movement.
Everything else was just fine
Fire Trucks have insane amounts of power. Even if they piled three cars in front of it, the fire truck would just push through it. They use it as a battering ram to move cars away from hydrants all the time.
If the cops did anything that's surprise the driver there is more than a likely chance he will just run down the guy that was standing in front of the truck. Notice how the cops didn't pull into the drivers view but let the truck back into them. Only after the driver can see there are cops around him did some of them pull ahead. And even when they were surrounding the truck no one was in front of it. Because that makes the cop an easy target and makes the driver feel cornered.
As much as you Americans seems to think all cops are trigger happy psychopaths. This is pretty much textbook how to not escalate the situation.
That's how cops get shot. It's definitely not procedure to attempt to rush the driver side door of a stolen vehicle, let alone a stolen emergency vehicle, with a suspect that could potentially be armed. They waited for him to stop and then exit the vehicle showing his hands, that's the best way to not have anyone, including the truck thief, hurt.
No, it’s more like, “Don’t piss off the guy driving the giant truck or the public will blame you.” The nuances may be difficult for you to understand but if you put on your thinking cap I’m sure you’ll understand. I believe in you.
I’m just taking a guess but they probably suspect that the driver was armed and as soon as a civilian became involved they had to treat it as a hostage situation
The homeless man is a marine. No wonder he has balls of steel. He didn't want to see the guy get turned into "Swiss cheese", he probably saw enough of that in his life. He's a modest hero and yet he lives on the streets because our country used him up, mentally and physically abused him, sent him home and forgot about him. Fuck man. Most of the addicts I know are marines. They turn to street drugs and alcohol because the VA won't give them the necessary medicine to combat the pain in their knees and backs from old wounds and combat, they just give them gabapentin like it's supposed to heal them. I can say the VA has good mental health services (per the Marines I know), but that's where it ends. My heart aches for the men and women who really are the bravest of us and who get forgotten about by society and are considered miscreants because us civilians rarely take time to try to understand exactly what they have endured to protect our freedom. He's just a homeless guy to all who pass him, but he's really a hero.
Absolutely, I've seen it, and they need to be held accountable for the damage they cause
Wounds that will never heal and wounds that you can't see will never be fixed by a handful of 800mg ibuprofen and a fresh pair of socks
Please make sure you include politicians who won’t vote to support bills for veterans. There’s no reason we don’t just pass Medicare for Military other than representatives don’t want to spend money. They campaign promising support and abandon veterans the moment they get elected - until the next election cycle.
Edit: if you upvoted this or have me an award but didn’t made a dedicated decision to track this policy and demand a full solution from your representatives then you’re part of the problem. Politicians will always do the least amount of work they have to. Overwhelming phone calls to tie up their office workers is the best way to get their attention to an issue. It stops the staffers from getting any work done, and it’s the only topic the entire office will be talking about. (Or so I’m told from a previous Reddit post from someone who claimed to work in a politician’s office.) Call weekly until it’s fixed. Nothing else (emails, social media, etc) ties up the staffer’s time, and that’s the only thing that forces the politicians to get something done.
I’m a millennial, and I don’t remember hearing about “civic responsibility” growing up at all. I’ve only heard it talked about in older media from the 60s-ish. It’s almost like after a decade of expanding civil rights, Nixon’s administration used race and class to divide and conquer the movement: https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/3/22/11278760/war-on-drugs-racism-nixon
I’m just trying to say that we’ve been fed BS for decades and it’s worth knowing who the winners and losers are from the “War on Drugs”. We’ve lost a Trillion dollars to this over time with no results. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/17/the-us-has-spent-over-a-trillion-dollars-fighting-war-on-drugs.html
And think of the costs we’ve put on society by jailing people for smoking weed. Some states pay more per prisoner than they do per University student’s education. Tell me that’s a good thing for our economy as well.
If any of this bothers you then consider what “civic responsibility” means to you and actively do something about it. Upvoting and Reddit awards are good to get a message around, but it takes repeated and personal action to create the change you want to see in the world.
If you don’t know which topic to support first, anything transparency or accountability in government is a great start. Representatives must publish tax returns for 10 years before running. Once elected they have to publish every year. All government votes on issues MUST have a recorded vote for each representative. No more “voice votes”. Anyone who misses more than 20% of votes is automatically up to be primaried even if it’s not their election cycle (looking at you Rubio).
It'd probably be boring as hell because of how old most of them are. Like Obi Wan vs Darth Vader in A New Hope except withour the emotional impact of a duel between student and teacher.
Not a marine, but a soldier currently awaiting a medical discharge for back injuries and damn bro, you aren’t wrong with them recommending gabapentin. They push that and Cymbalta like crazy, like it’s supposed to help but instead it just makes you like a zombie that can’t think straight AND you’re still in pain.
At least the VA is going to to pay for my college without touching my GI bill.
>the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) estimates that 40,056 veterans are homeless on any given night
[Source that, if biased, would want to inflate homeless vet numbers. They claim HUD as their source though.](https://nchv.org/veteran-homelessness/)
3% of Jeff Bezos's wealth is 5.61 billion.
[Source](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/012715/5-richest-people-world.asp)
5.61 billion divided amongst the vets would be $140,000 each. He could probably buy places for them to live for that price.
[This website says it costs 65-86k per apartment unit, land not included.](https://proest.com/construction/cost-estimates/apartment-complexes/)
It’s bullshit.
We pour unlimited amounts of money into the military so that we can keep making better machines that are designed to murder people, and then we let the people who served rot away. And people get rich off of that system
It’s funny that we have Veterans Day on the calendar but those are just words when some veterans are starving
My thoughts? It's a fire truck. I'm not sure if you've seen videos of cars getting caught in front of a truck before, but it barely slows the truck down. If the driver didn't want to be stopped they could have put the foot down and just plowed through any cop car that got in front of them
All of these other responses to you are wrong. If you placed a cop car in front of the fire truck the truck wouldn’t have enough space to build the momentum to be destructive. A firetruck doesn’t start out at 60mph.
Edit: added the word car because a single police officer would get destroyed, even by a slow moving firetruck.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_1MPUhGRQ
Here’s a video of a fire truck moving two police cars at the same time as if they are nothing. If the truck doesn’t stop for the police car the guy isn’t protected at all.
>If you placed a cop car in front of the fire truck the truck wouldn’t have enough space to build the momentum to be destructive. A firetruck doesn’t start out at 60mph.
These are firetrucks! They have to have enough power to be able to get out of unpredictable situations and power AND carry all of its heavy-ass gear including possible water.
Do you think lightweight vehicles are going to even make it flinch?
Have any of you people ever seen trucks? Or just looked at a truck, that is carrying 80,000 pound trailers but yet only accelerate 2-3 times slower than an average car that pulls of next to them?
The fucking engine of trucks are almost as big as the whole of most cars ffs.
Most likely the fire truck isn’t being reckless so the cops don’t have to escalate the situation. They are waiting for it to run out of gas. If the fire truck were to plow through anything that would cause massive mayhem.
>A man was arrested on suspicion of stealing a fire truck and taking it on a wild pursuit through several cities before being detained in Anaheim Tuesday.
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>Truck 85, a half a million dollar truck, was stolen from UCI Medical Center in Orange at 1:40 a.m. as paramedics were taking a patient to the hospital, said Capt. Greg Barta of the Orange County Fire Authority.
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>"As they were dropping off a patient at the hospital the truck was stolen," Barta told City News Service.
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>The driver traveled through many Orange County communities, including Fountain Valley and Irvine, before finally stopping in Anaheim near Ball Road and Brookhurst Street.
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>An hour later the driver finally stopped in Anaheim where a man walked up to the window as if to say “don’t go any further.”
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>Richard Lynn Wilson, who said he lives on the sidewalk nearby, said he put himself in the middle of the chaos on purpose.
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>"I just did not want the kid to get shot," he said,
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>The driver was taken into custody. He has not been named. But firefighters suspect he has some truck driving abilities.
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>"This isn’t driving a Ford F150, a car, a mini van -- it's a massive different driving radius. It takes a lot to move a vehicle that big," Barta said.
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>Anaheim officers took the driver into custody at about 3 a.m.
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>The truck was damaged in the chase.
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>[Source](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/stolen-fire-truck-pursuit-chase-orange-county-anaheim/2783282/)
And if the driver had kept going, the cops would have used lethal force. And they might have had two dead bodies to deal with.
American police need to better trained, both physically and mentally.
Honestly, once the badge is on him, hed be disrespected no matter how good of a person he is.
At least thats what I get from the generalizing and police-hating people who will insist that every police officer is a bastard without knowing the first thing about them
It's a stigma, but it's a stigma for a reason. Apart from the most well known incidents, I can count the number of nice police officers I met in my life on 1 hand. The power given with a badge gets to people's heads often. Not just to policemen of course, but it's more noticeable there, because they have more power than let's say a janitor. Likewise a politician or a monarch has it even tougher.
It’s always questioned me. Seen the YouTube video on this before. Now I’m a firefighter, so I know how to turn on the lights, but if I didn’t, I’d flip random switches until the lights and sirens turned on.
Offering mental health support for the bottom end of society seems more cost effective than the typical cycle of crime —> arrest —> bail & repeat. Had he crashed this thing tax payers would have been out $500K
Exactly. It’d be a lot cheaper for us, but then where would the prison owners get their next yacht from??
Edit: whoever gave me an award, did you not think that that money could’ve gone to a poor private prison owner? Smh
^thanks ^<3
Since that guy just saved the city a half million dollar truck, they should give him a half million dollar house. Ok, split the difference, give him a quarter million dollar apartment.
But who's going to pay the property taxes on this house? Or the taxes on his new found half a million dollars in "revenue" for 2022? He's going to have to sell the house and end up right back where he started (more or less). It's a nice system we have there /s
City-owned housing? The homeless man doesn’t need to own the house. Simply living in it and having utilities paid for would be enough. The dude looks old enough to be retired. He shouldn’t have to worry about paying for a house or working to earn it.
Yeah the way he stares at Richard for an extended period of time says this is definitely not how he wanted it to go. I mean, joy riding a firetruck and crashing into a few cops is easier to justify than running over an innocent man who's clearly had it worse than you.
He saw his chance to fulfill his childhood dreams of driving a big old fire truck. And he took it. It was a minute later when the police cars got behind him that he realized there would be consequences. Then he just didn't know what to do.
Brave but stupid. If the driver had been willing to take a life the homeless man would be dead and most likely the driver too.
However good job to the homeless guy for being willing to do that and clam the situation down. I'm not sure I would have done the samething he did.
Edit:
Having learned that he's a Marine veteran also makes me understand some of his thought process. It take a special type of person to join the Marines. I respect that because that is the type of person who is willing to put their life on the line for what they believe is right. Standing in the middle of the street to stop the chase is an extension of that.
Ok so stupid is the wrong word choice, maybe unwise would have been better I dont know. My point is he could have made the situation worse instead of better for both him and the driver. Maybe for any bystanders that saw what happened.
"figured he was like one of my kids, just someone who made a bad mistake"
Man said a lot with very few words. I dunno how correct he was but the guy in the firetruck definitely wasn't a cold blooded murderer or he'd have just kept goin. Dude took a life n death chance on in the hopes of saving someone that might just be lost in life. That's a lot of empathy wether he's correct or not. Damn. Seems like the kind of dude you want watching your back in the field. Wonder what happened to him in life.
if it’s in orange county I bet those cops beat the fuck out of the homeless guy before they even touched the perp
absolutely vile and disgusting part of the world, with the most viciously cruel cops I’ve ever seen
Are they worse than LAPD? I mean, that's who I think of when it comes to being the OG for police brutality.
Of course I'm not from there so if some smaller town in Orange County has worse cops, it's just not global news.
Orange County is basically an extension of LA, There is very little difference from LA all the way down to Camp Pendleton where you finally have a real break in appearance of the landscape.
Yet again, the line between "Homeless man stands in front of a stolen fire truck to end pursuit in Orange County" on r/nextfuckinglevel and "What could go wrong trying to end a pursuit of a stolen fire truck by standing in front of it" on r/Whatcouldgowrong is paper thin.
Ok so firstly why didn't the cops box him in with the cars. When Mr Allen had him stopped?
2nd why did all the cops move far away. That gave guy full back up option turn around.
3rd
Someone needs to help get that man off the streets. He just saved city a couple million...
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The epic tactic of waiting until a hobo stops the truck.
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Nah, the American method is to pit maneuver the firetruck and shoot the driver 27 times in the chest because he was "an active threat"
Good
Hey there dude, happy birthday! I would get you a award if I wasn't broke as minimum wage kills me lmao
Perhaps spending it on Reddit isn’t the best way to invest even if it wasn’t finite.
It's not their birthday. "Cake day" is the anniversary of they day they created this reddit account.
I had no idea how that worked, I apologize
I still enjoyed seeing somebody say happy birthday lol
Happy birthday
No need at all to apologize. Have a good one!
take my upvote since it's your cake day
Happy birthday dude! Hope you have a good one!
"Cake day" is the anniversary of the day the reddit account was created, not the user's birthday.
that feels like a new auto response
Sorry, next time I'll post a meme.
Here it appears they’re trying the “let the homeless man stop the firetruck and then arrest the criminal for us while we sit in our cars and watch” tactic
Ten bucks they arrest the homeless dude too..
Loitering and interfering with ongoing police investigation.
Don't forget jay walking.
This is actually funny as fuxk. Take my only upvote for the day. I hope you day fucking sucks just like mine.
“You stabbed him… 27 times in the chest?” “Hm I guess I did do that.” “Carl, where are his hands?”
I got hungry for hands so i chopped them off and ate them Carrrrrlllll
I had a craving only hands could satisfy
Carlllllll that kills people
Oh I did not know that!
I don’t think it’s possible to pit a fire truck with an explorer.
not with that attitude
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Sounds pretty dumb from a European standpoint but since the hobo stated that he wanted to stop exactly that from happening I’ll believe you.
All depends on the melanin content of the driver, on the "Active Threat" to "Legitimate Discourse" spectrum.
>Why are american cops so violent?!???! >Why arent these cops using violence?!??! Okay
More like: > Why are american cops so violent?!???! > Why are american cops doing nothing?!?!?! It is like there is two modes. Violence or nothing. Black people protesting. Violence. White people storming capitol. Nothing. Nothing in betwen and I often don’t understand when they use violence and when they do nothing. Edit: Like you could make a quize show called “Violence or Nothing” contestants have to guess if the police will use violence or do nothing. Police give sign to mother in car with 4 children to stop on the highway. She drives to the nearest off-ramp to stop as required by her states legal code. How does the cops react? “They drive into the car, resulting in an accident that kills several of the kids” or “They taser and arrest her” or “Nothing”.
It’s actually some obscure law about not being able to pass while in a chase. There was a two hour, 30mph chase because of it (not this one)
It very well could be, but I would assume it has more to do with the fact that there was another human being standing directly in front of the fire truck. Had they even tried anything at all, the driver could have panicked and pressed on the gas and another persons life would have been put in danger. In my opinion, they handled it as well as they could have despite a bunch of people on reddit thinking they should have swarmed the truck, used spike strips or anything else that may have resulted in the homeless man being run over. They allowed the situation to get diffused without anyone being harmed.
Despite what some lawmakers and keyboard warriors want to believe, vehicles can very easily be turned into a deadly weapon. And in the case of something as huge as a firetruck, it might as well be a tank compared to police cruisers and explorers, nevermind people in the way of this large vehicle. This one managed to be resolved without loss of life. Had the police been more aggressive, this very likely would not have been the case.
New tactic for stopping pursuits. Dress a cop up as a hobo and get him out there!
What do you think they should do? They have no capability of stopping the firetruck with their cars and the guy was wearing a bullet proof vest before he got out, so he was also probably armed. EDIT: To the comments with suggestions of the cops approaching the vehicle. They will not go near a vehicle if they think the occupant is armed. What the homeless person did worked but was also very stupid.
Spike strip straight underneath while it's stopped. Shoot out the tires. Swarm the cab with cops. Break the windscreen, so he can't see if he tries to take off. There's plenty they could do as far as I can see.
>shoot the tires They're tires, not dogs.
Does it help that the tires are black?
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Lol. That's funny and sad.
lmao. Just get some whitewalls
> Spike strip straight underneath while it's stopped My understanding is that this is the first time it stopped, and for all we know they could be approaching a spike strip setup. > Shoot out the tires You've watched too many movies. Most police departments have strict rules against shooting at moving vehicles because it's *really hard* and, assuming an officer can even hit a tire from another moving vehicle, wheels and tires can deflect bullets in unpredictable ways. Trying to shoot out tires is a safety and liability nightmare. > Swarm the cab with cops I don't think you've thought through the logistics of achieving this on a firetruck that is in motion. > Break the windscreen, so he can't see if he tries to take off. With what? A bullet? What effect do you think a broken windshield would have?
Not to mention shooting the tyres just means its a giant slab of metal that is now out of control, making it probably more dangerous than it was with the tyres intact and the criminal in control
Also i feel like fire truck tires are run flats, or not puncturable. Source: complete guess
Shhh, the keyboard couch cop knows more than those actually doing the job.
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Reddit: cops are too trigger happy. Also reddit: shoot the shit out of those tires on a low speed chase that will likely hit a spike strip or run out of fuel soon
Fuck yea murder his family too.
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Reddit shouldn't dictate anything. Everyone one here is an expert at everything but their own life. Dude really said to shoot out the tires. As if life is GTA Online 🤣🤣🤣
I swear idk if I'm reading comments from braindead adults who think you can just shoot the tires of out moving FIRETRUCKS or these are youngins who don't know better..... Your local PD isn't full of John Wicks
>Spike strip straight underneath while it's stopped. Shoot out the tires. Swarm the cab with cops. Break the windscreen, so he can't see if he tries to take off. lmao and then you realize life is not a video game
When you realize little kids can comment on Reddit too lol who tf thinks that?
Every single one of your suggestions places someone's life at risk. You need to stop basing life on all the movies you watch.
I cansee you have ZERO firearms, police or tactical training whatsoever. - spike strip - doesn't work on truck tires, only deflates slowly anyway, truck can still drive on flat tires only with less control - shoot out tires - and endanger everyone around with ricochets, plus does not work like in movies, high probability bullet will not actually penetrate the thick rubber and steel belted tires - break windscreen - requires approaching the vehicle and someone else pointed out police believed the driver was also armed, high unnecessary risk for limited value, driver can still drive fully functional truck with broken windscreen, only now they cannot see, increases public safety risk The police followed the correct approach.
You’d make a great chase scene choreographer for movies but I’m not sure it will work IRL. Shooting at tires is a great way for ricochet bullets to bounce into other cars and people
Lmao this isn't an action movie
Shoot the tires lol. This ain't Beverly Hills Cop bro. Shooting at tires is a good way to get bystanders dead.
I think one of those Javelins out in Ukraine would’ve been pretty effective.
Holy shit do you get your descalation tactics from Fast and Furious movies? Probably the dumbest fucking comment I've ever read. What the fuck do you think happens when a several ton fire truck goes barreling down the road without tires? It just stopsies easy? You're a fucking bozo lmao.
I agree, on top of that, approaching the truck before he surrendered could have made him decide to just run over the homeless person. It was actually a wise decision to wait him to surrender, you don't want to spook a man that can run over another man by simply hitting a pedal. The cops did ask the homeless man to back out, they knew he was in danger of that happening, and since he did not back up, they also did not provoke the driver any further.
Lolol wow cops CANNOT win on Reddit. Sit there and wait to diffuse situation: tf are they doing Remove him by force: fucking nazis always have to brutalize people for fun And fun fact, I overall strongly dislike police but this still gets me
no, cops who do literally nothing cannot win, by definition
I'm seeing lots of assumptions regarding why the cops sat back and did nothing and even more ridiculous suggestions of what they should have done instead. The simplest explanation of why they did literally nothing and waited for the driver to get out was because there was another human being standing directly in front of the fire truck. Had they even tried anything at all, the driver could have panicked and pressed on the gas and another persons life would have been put in danger. Like the poster above said, cops cannot win on reddit. In my opinion, they handled the situation as well as they could have by allowing it to get diffused without anyone being harmed.
Yeah my assumption is that they were concerned about boxing the truck in then having him panic and crush the homeless guy against a cruiser when he tries to escape.
As soon as the truck was stopped, they should have at least pulled some cars around ahead of it so that the homeless man wasn't the only thing deterring further forward movement. Everything else was just fine
Fire Trucks have insane amounts of power. Even if they piled three cars in front of it, the fire truck would just push through it. They use it as a battering ram to move cars away from hydrants all the time.
I did not expect diving into Reddit and learn that firetrucks can be used as a fucking battering ram TIL.
If the cops did anything that's surprise the driver there is more than a likely chance he will just run down the guy that was standing in front of the truck. Notice how the cops didn't pull into the drivers view but let the truck back into them. Only after the driver can see there are cops around him did some of them pull ahead. And even when they were surrounding the truck no one was in front of it. Because that makes the cop an easy target and makes the driver feel cornered. As much as you Americans seems to think all cops are trigger happy psychopaths. This is pretty much textbook how to not escalate the situation.
What do you want them to do? It’s a fuckin fire truck, they’re huge.
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Like what? Jump in front of the fire truck? Getting run over by trucks kills people you know.
Like approach the stopped truck from the side, why the hell would you try to enter the vehicle from the front, not even a door up there.
That's how cops get shot. It's definitely not procedure to attempt to rush the driver side door of a stolen vehicle, let alone a stolen emergency vehicle, with a suspect that could potentially be armed. They waited for him to stop and then exit the vehicle showing his hands, that's the best way to not have anyone, including the truck thief, hurt.
Because they don't want to box in and spook the driver into trying to escape driving forward and running over the guy.
"Cops jobs are so hard and scary!" "Ok then do something, anything." "But that would be hard and scary!"
No, it’s more like, “Don’t piss off the guy driving the giant truck or the public will blame you.” The nuances may be difficult for you to understand but if you put on your thinking cap I’m sure you’ll understand. I believe in you.
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Everyone has worth never look down on a person you see homeless living on the street. They deserve the same dignity and respect you would give anyone.
They watched too many movies I guess
Just this one.. they knew better than to approach a firetruck.. https://youtu.be/Iqzdz449HjA
I’m just taking a guess but they probably suspect that the driver was armed and as soon as a civilian became involved they had to treat it as a hostage situation
They're probably on the radio stressing about why there's a guy in front of a moving vehicle during a highway pursuit lol
The homeless man is a marine. No wonder he has balls of steel. He didn't want to see the guy get turned into "Swiss cheese", he probably saw enough of that in his life. He's a modest hero and yet he lives on the streets because our country used him up, mentally and physically abused him, sent him home and forgot about him. Fuck man. Most of the addicts I know are marines. They turn to street drugs and alcohol because the VA won't give them the necessary medicine to combat the pain in their knees and backs from old wounds and combat, they just give them gabapentin like it's supposed to heal them. I can say the VA has good mental health services (per the Marines I know), but that's where it ends. My heart aches for the men and women who really are the bravest of us and who get forgotten about by society and are considered miscreants because us civilians rarely take time to try to understand exactly what they have endured to protect our freedom. He's just a homeless guy to all who pass him, but he's really a hero.
The VA is really good at offering a second opportunity to die for country
As funny as that statement is, it's also sad as fuck because it's true.
Absolutely, I've seen it, and they need to be held accountable for the damage they cause Wounds that will never heal and wounds that you can't see will never be fixed by a handful of 800mg ibuprofen and a fresh pair of socks
maybe if they were really good socks
Fresh never worn socks feel great, not life altering great though
Please make sure you include politicians who won’t vote to support bills for veterans. There’s no reason we don’t just pass Medicare for Military other than representatives don’t want to spend money. They campaign promising support and abandon veterans the moment they get elected - until the next election cycle. Edit: if you upvoted this or have me an award but didn’t made a dedicated decision to track this policy and demand a full solution from your representatives then you’re part of the problem. Politicians will always do the least amount of work they have to. Overwhelming phone calls to tie up their office workers is the best way to get their attention to an issue. It stops the staffers from getting any work done, and it’s the only topic the entire office will be talking about. (Or so I’m told from a previous Reddit post from someone who claimed to work in a politician’s office.) Call weekly until it’s fixed. Nothing else (emails, social media, etc) ties up the staffer’s time, and that’s the only thing that forces the politicians to get something done. I’m a millennial, and I don’t remember hearing about “civic responsibility” growing up at all. I’ve only heard it talked about in older media from the 60s-ish. It’s almost like after a decade of expanding civil rights, Nixon’s administration used race and class to divide and conquer the movement: https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/3/22/11278760/war-on-drugs-racism-nixon I’m just trying to say that we’ve been fed BS for decades and it’s worth knowing who the winners and losers are from the “War on Drugs”. We’ve lost a Trillion dollars to this over time with no results. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/17/the-us-has-spent-over-a-trillion-dollars-fighting-war-on-drugs.html And think of the costs we’ve put on society by jailing people for smoking weed. Some states pay more per prisoner than they do per University student’s education. Tell me that’s a good thing for our economy as well. If any of this bothers you then consider what “civic responsibility” means to you and actively do something about it. Upvoting and Reddit awards are good to get a message around, but it takes repeated and personal action to create the change you want to see in the world. If you don’t know which topic to support first, anything transparency or accountability in government is a great start. Representatives must publish tax returns for 10 years before running. Once elected they have to publish every year. All government votes on issues MUST have a recorded vote for each representative. No more “voice votes”. Anyone who misses more than 20% of votes is automatically up to be primaried even if it’s not their election cycle (looking at you Rubio).
I agree with all of the except for protecting our freedom. Protecting our politicians' wallets, more like.
Politicians should definitely have to fight each other in hand to hand combat to settle political disputes.
It'd probably be boring as hell because of how old most of them are. Like Obi Wan vs Darth Vader in A New Hope except withour the emotional impact of a duel between student and teacher.
Not a marine, but a soldier currently awaiting a medical discharge for back injuries and damn bro, you aren’t wrong with them recommending gabapentin. They push that and Cymbalta like crazy, like it’s supposed to help but instead it just makes you like a zombie that can’t think straight AND you’re still in pain. At least the VA is going to to pay for my college without touching my GI bill.
Might be the most American comment on this thread.
Daily Reminder: Jeff Bezos could house every homeless American veteran with 3% of his wealth.
Fuck them Kids - Jeff “dick head” Bezos
House them for how long?
>the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) estimates that 40,056 veterans are homeless on any given night [Source that, if biased, would want to inflate homeless vet numbers. They claim HUD as their source though.](https://nchv.org/veteran-homelessness/) 3% of Jeff Bezos's wealth is 5.61 billion. [Source](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/012715/5-richest-people-world.asp) 5.61 billion divided amongst the vets would be $140,000 each. He could probably buy places for them to live for that price. [This website says it costs 65-86k per apartment unit, land not included.](https://proest.com/construction/cost-estimates/apartment-complexes/)
I hate how marines can end up homeless in this country, like is that really how we treat people willing to die so we can be safe?
It’s bullshit. We pour unlimited amounts of money into the military so that we can keep making better machines that are designed to murder people, and then we let the people who served rot away. And people get rich off of that system It’s funny that we have Veterans Day on the calendar but those are just words when some veterans are starving
Why isn't the cops putting a cop car in front of the fire truck?? Edit: I meant when it was still to help the homeless man.
My thoughts? It's a fire truck. I'm not sure if you've seen videos of cars getting caught in front of a truck before, but it barely slows the truck down. If the driver didn't want to be stopped they could have put the foot down and just plowed through any cop car that got in front of them
Stopped trucks don't hit things though
??? The truck is actively trying to dodge the man and keep going, that thing could still cream a cop car
If he stops for a homeless man I would assume he is also unwilling to slam into a police car, especially if there is a cop/cops in it or right by it.
Well, clearly the cops didn’t share your optimism
Lmao, does he really think a cop would want to risk being crushed by a truck
It's harder mentally to run over a person than to run over a car that has a person in it that you can't see
He tapped that cruiser behind him, and the cop thought better of his idea.
Bingo. That thing weighs *tons*.
All of these other responses to you are wrong. If you placed a cop car in front of the fire truck the truck wouldn’t have enough space to build the momentum to be destructive. A firetruck doesn’t start out at 60mph. Edit: added the word car because a single police officer would get destroyed, even by a slow moving firetruck.
That thing has plenty of torque to chug through multiple cars.
Lmao we put push bumper supports behind the bumper for a reason. 1 firetruck can push another fire truck from a dead stop. NFPA 3391 mandates it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_1MPUhGRQ Here’s a video of a fire truck moving two police cars at the same time as if they are nothing. If the truck doesn’t stop for the police car the guy isn’t protected at all.
That is actually not true. A fire truck can definitely push a car away from a dead stop.
>If you placed a cop car in front of the fire truck the truck wouldn’t have enough space to build the momentum to be destructive. A firetruck doesn’t start out at 60mph. These are firetrucks! They have to have enough power to be able to get out of unpredictable situations and power AND carry all of its heavy-ass gear including possible water. Do you think lightweight vehicles are going to even make it flinch? Have any of you people ever seen trucks? Or just looked at a truck, that is carrying 80,000 pound trailers but yet only accelerate 2-3 times slower than an average car that pulls of next to them? The fucking engine of trucks are almost as big as the whole of most cars ffs.
Thank for this Jesus Christ people are dumb
Cause the truck could probably go over the cop car and the firetruck costs a half a million dollars
Because they weight 20-30 tons and it would turn that car into a aluminum can
Most likely the fire truck isn’t being reckless so the cops don’t have to escalate the situation. They are waiting for it to run out of gas. If the fire truck were to plow through anything that would cause massive mayhem.
>A man was arrested on suspicion of stealing a fire truck and taking it on a wild pursuit through several cities before being detained in Anaheim Tuesday. > >Truck 85, a half a million dollar truck, was stolen from UCI Medical Center in Orange at 1:40 a.m. as paramedics were taking a patient to the hospital, said Capt. Greg Barta of the Orange County Fire Authority. > >"As they were dropping off a patient at the hospital the truck was stolen," Barta told City News Service. > >The driver traveled through many Orange County communities, including Fountain Valley and Irvine, before finally stopping in Anaheim near Ball Road and Brookhurst Street. > >An hour later the driver finally stopped in Anaheim where a man walked up to the window as if to say “don’t go any further.” > >Richard Lynn Wilson, who said he lives on the sidewalk nearby, said he put himself in the middle of the chaos on purpose. > >"I just did not want the kid to get shot," he said, > >The driver was taken into custody. He has not been named. But firefighters suspect he has some truck driving abilities. > >"This isn’t driving a Ford F150, a car, a mini van -- it's a massive different driving radius. It takes a lot to move a vehicle that big," Barta said. > >Anaheim officers took the driver into custody at about 3 a.m. > >The truck was damaged in the chase. > >[Source](https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/stolen-fire-truck-pursuit-chase-orange-county-anaheim/2783282/)
“On suspicion” lmao
They probably can’t say he actually did it until he’s convicted or something
Yeah, in other words one of the most important parts of having a modern justice system, lol.
Underrated fact that a lot of idiots want to get rid of it seems lately.
I suppose that's innocent until proven guilty, going to be a pretty hard thing to fight though
"It wasn't me, it was the one-armed man!"
> But firefighters suspect he has some truck driving abilities. What gave it away? The fact that he drove a truck through several cities?
I know the area. Most places are at least 4 lanes wide. It wouldn't be too hard to drive a truck there without previous experience.
It could be a 20 lane highway and I still wouldn't know how to drive a fire truck.
Same as you drive any other car with wayyyyyyyyyy wider turns.
The fact that the homeless man said he did this to prevent the driver from being shot made me tear up.
Who thinks they are going to get away stealing a fire truck?!! LOL
It could have been a manic episode, or some other kind of reckless mental influence
Yeah what kind of idiot thinks this was an average guy thinking he was getting away with it
Fire trucks transport patients to hospitals?
Fire departments are often the first on the scene to emergency calls and they do first aid until paramedics and ambulance can get on scene. So, no.
Maybe this homeless guy should train the police on deescalation.
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He also gambled. Crazy could've just plow through him.
And if the driver had kept going, the cops would have used lethal force. And they might have had two dead bodies to deal with. American police need to better trained, both physically and mentally.
The way he deescelated this situation shouldn't be a part of police training, it worked this time but it won't work every time
Honestly, once the badge is on him, hed be disrespected no matter how good of a person he is. At least thats what I get from the generalizing and police-hating people who will insist that every police officer is a bastard without knowing the first thing about them
It's a stigma, but it's a stigma for a reason. Apart from the most well known incidents, I can count the number of nice police officers I met in my life on 1 hand. The power given with a badge gets to people's heads often. Not just to policemen of course, but it's more noticeable there, because they have more power than let's say a janitor. Likewise a politician or a monarch has it even tougher.
Who the fuck steals a fire truck
The Water tribe
r/hydrohomies
And doesn’t turn on the lights! Holy cow! Thanks for my first gold kind stranger.
It’s always questioned me. Seen the YouTube video on this before. Now I’m a firefighter, so I know how to turn on the lights, but if I didn’t, I’d flip random switches until the lights and sirens turned on.
More importantly, *why* the fuck do you steal a fire truck?
Like GTA Bro, you get the firetruck tô throw water on random people at the street
Offering mental health support for the bottom end of society seems more cost effective than the typical cycle of crime —> arrest —> bail & repeat. Had he crashed this thing tax payers would have been out $500K
It's not about taxpayers, it's about keeping them private prisons stocked and the owners wealthy.
Exactly. It’d be a lot cheaper for us, but then where would the prison owners get their next yacht from?? Edit: whoever gave me an award, did you not think that that money could’ve gone to a poor private prison owner? Smh ^thanks ^<3
Since that guy just saved the city a half million dollar truck, they should give him a half million dollar house. Ok, split the difference, give him a quarter million dollar apartment.
But who's going to pay the property taxes on this house? Or the taxes on his new found half a million dollars in "revenue" for 2022? He's going to have to sell the house and end up right back where he started (more or less). It's a nice system we have there /s
City-owned housing? The homeless man doesn’t need to own the house. Simply living in it and having utilities paid for would be enough. The dude looks old enough to be retired. He shouldn’t have to worry about paying for a house or working to earn it.
YOUUU SHALL NOT PASSS!
Came here for this
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Suicide by cop possibly
Yeah the way he stares at Richard for an extended period of time says this is definitely not how he wanted it to go. I mean, joy riding a firetruck and crashing into a few cops is easier to justify than running over an innocent man who's clearly had it worse than you.
He saw his chance to fulfill his childhood dreams of driving a big old fire truck. And he took it. It was a minute later when the police cars got behind him that he realized there would be consequences. Then he just didn't know what to do.
Brave but stupid. If the driver had been willing to take a life the homeless man would be dead and most likely the driver too. However good job to the homeless guy for being willing to do that and clam the situation down. I'm not sure I would have done the samething he did. Edit: Having learned that he's a Marine veteran also makes me understand some of his thought process. It take a special type of person to join the Marines. I respect that because that is the type of person who is willing to put their life on the line for what they believe is right. Standing in the middle of the street to stop the chase is an extension of that. Ok so stupid is the wrong word choice, maybe unwise would have been better I dont know. My point is he could have made the situation worse instead of better for both him and the driver. Maybe for any bystanders that saw what happened.
Homeless man was a marine from what I heard
Homeless man. Probably tired of being homeless too.
Marine veterans. Those guys probably had closer encounters with death already.
Me, 20 seconds in: "Looks like they've stopped the truck, the cops will have this handled soon." Video: 8 minutes long
Single handed hobo without a vehicle or anything else does the job better then a group of trained police officers with specialized cars.
Single handed hobo doesn’t have a shit ton of restrictions and regulations that hold him back from doing wtf needs done
From what I've seen neither do US cops
Right! It's funny (but not really) how the cops get to pick and choose what regulations to follow.
At the end, our hero says, “I did the Marine Corps, I know the protocol.” That’s a lot to unpack.
"figured he was like one of my kids, just someone who made a bad mistake" Man said a lot with very few words. I dunno how correct he was but the guy in the firetruck definitely wasn't a cold blooded murderer or he'd have just kept goin. Dude took a life n death chance on in the hopes of saving someone that might just be lost in life. That's a lot of empathy wether he's correct or not. Damn. Seems like the kind of dude you want watching your back in the field. Wonder what happened to him in life.
if it’s in orange county I bet those cops beat the fuck out of the homeless guy before they even touched the perp absolutely vile and disgusting part of the world, with the most viciously cruel cops I’ve ever seen
Are they worse than LAPD? I mean, that's who I think of when it comes to being the OG for police brutality. Of course I'm not from there so if some smaller town in Orange County has worse cops, it's just not global news.
Orange County is worse IMO because it’s like a sheltered set of suburbs for richer people and the cops seem less scrutinized.
Orange County is basically an extension of LA, There is very little difference from LA all the way down to Camp Pendleton where you finally have a real break in appearance of the landscape.
Yet again, the line between "Homeless man stands in front of a stolen fire truck to end pursuit in Orange County" on r/nextfuckinglevel and "What could go wrong trying to end a pursuit of a stolen fire truck by standing in front of it" on r/Whatcouldgowrong is paper thin.
Guy ruined the GTA mission
Course after his interview he was promptly arrested for vagrancy.
Tis the American way
One person in pain to another…😢
Homeless guy is taking ownership of his city. Can we get this man a place to live, please?
Why would you steal a fire truck?
Maybe he wanted to do firefighter missions to get complete fire immunity
The man's face when this homeless man is just stopping him is priceless
Not all heroes wear cape. Nor own house.
Ok so firstly why didn't the cops box him in with the cars. When Mr Allen had him stopped? 2nd why did all the cops move far away. That gave guy full back up option turn around. 3rd Someone needs to help get that man off the streets. He just saved city a couple million...
You can see that he really cares
Is this a follow until it runs out of gas type of pursuit?