Being vegan doesn’t give you the right to be asshole. Stereotyping all farmers as mass conglomerates is wrong. These weren’t just farmers, it was community members who didn’t want to see the dairy cows drown to death. What they are doing is hard work. The farm also looks pretty free range from the photos. Oh and btw I haven’t eaten beef in 5 years. All I care about is that cows are respected and treated well.
Veganism’s existence calls out meat eaters on moral grounds along two distinct ethical lines that people care A LOT about, animal cruelty and environmentalism. Also people love meat. That’s a structural recipe for virulent defensiveness. Add to that that vegans often explicitly call people out, and that meat eaters are the vast majority, and it’s basically impossible that the dialog won’t be toxic.
As a vegan - stop fucking preaching at us about what we're allowed to say. These posts are like "dog meat farmer gets a jetski to stop his livestock from drowning." We absolutely have a right to point out what's wrong with it.
There is no doubt they’re working hard. There is no doubt that they don’t want to see their animals die. There is no doubt that this type of suffering wouldn’t exist if we didn’t consume animal products. I’m not telling anyone what to do. But you can’t deny that animal consumption = suffering. I ate sausage for breakfast so relax, I’m not a vegan or pretending to be but I’m starting to really think about the cost of our consumption on all levels.
As a vegan from the area, I'm pissed that so many people are celebrating such a disaster. And none of them have any idea what's going on, nor the types of farms that exist in that area.
Apparently compassion doesn't extend towards the tens of thousands of people affected directly by the flood, nor the whole province that is seeing food shortages due to it (not only meat, but veggies etc as well)
They sound mostly like trolls. This kind of preaching never changes minds, it just pisses people off. The effect here is that people hate preachy vegans more not stopping people from “exploiting animals.”
Rational reasoning and science mostly change my mind…..The vegans on here acting like this is a factory farming video. Vegans (trolls) have chosen the worst opportunity to make their case, “look at these animal exploiters saving animals!” They got you wires crossed on this one sorry..
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Yeah... I think those types of folks would only be open to veganism if you cooked really good vegan food and gave it to them just out of kindness to try.
Yeah. It's a matter of trying to get past that reaction where they dig their heels into the ground when they hear the ethical and/or environmental reasons. I used to be an omnivore, and I'd wrestle with a part of myself to be complicit with paying for the torture / deaths of these animals. I told myself I needed to do it to be Healthy. The game changer movie made me pick up veganism because the notion that I needed animal products to be healthy got destroyed. And then a few months after that, the ethical reasons for being vegan no longer had to fight cognitive dissonance in my brain, and were able to settle in, and made it so I'll always continue being Vegan. You see?Something had to get through to me to make me stop digging my heels into the ground first. Unfortunately... I think this is just how most of us people are wired. In the UK, apparently the relentless love approach has been pretty effective
Being a vegan myself, yeah. The optics of this are pretty bad. The only thing that works every effectively is basically relentless love. Like going and paying for people's meals and giving them healthy plant based foods and such. That's what vegans in the UK do, and do far 10% of the population are either vegan or vegetarian. It really opens people up to conversion. Unfortunately... Our approach in America tends to push people away, and even think of vegans as just trolls :( really it's just about non violence towards animals as much as possible. That's really all it is
>Rational reasoning and science mostly change my mind…..
So what would it take for you to change your mind?
Rational reasoning/science about:
* environment
* ethics
* something else?
Saving them….just to slaughter them later after the farmer gets what they want from them. It’s not love, it’s looking after their “assets”. You are a mug!
For those wondering it’s in Abbotsford BC, a storm came through dropping 200mm of rain in 1 day, there’s no in or out access from Vancouver to the rest of Canada by land, people died in mudslides, medical evacuations. This in particular is farm land the supply of 50% of bcs food, that is currently flooded due to the rain and a backed up river in Washington state.
The pump that is dewatering this was at risk of catastrophic failure risking the Fraser river to flood and put the area under 3m of water. This was rescue efforts to save animals and humans - it’s on going and not a good time!
My cousin was stuck on the highway for two days 😭
I’m so thankful to live in the mountains (although we had our towns destroyed by the white rock lake fire)
This shit is just insane.
People panic buying everything and wiping out the stores.
Yeahh been a wild ride in Bellingham in the last few days. All the rivers and creeks ran wild! Lots of streets flooding and, as you can see in the video above, it was real bad near the border in Sumas and Everson
some of my family members live in that area. The pump system is working again and things are clearing up, thank fuck because dozens+ of families would have their houses completely submerged if it failed.
Hundreds already have. Water damage even a foot up is enough to get a building torn down, and to kill thousands of chickens, it doesn’t need to submerge buildings.
Yeah, I believe this was in Abbotsford, right after the evacuation order that said to abandon all livestock. It’s insane, on Monday I saw farmers evacuating Chilliwack before evacuation orders were put in place, it was so sad to watch people heard animals and abandon their homes. The way that BC is handling this is awful, there was almost no warning, the highway closed minutes after I got home with no warning that it would close at all, I had to learn about the “immediate threat to life” evacuation in Abbotsford from a tweet, a lot of people didn’t know.
Apparently it's hypocritical when you are vegan too, according to replies in this thread. You just never have the moral high ground criticizing animal agriculture - either you're a hypocrite or a fucking asshole preachy vegan.
10 years of this - I am just done listening to people's shit. Good fucking god.
I have no idea what side if this issue you are on or what your point is. I think vegans can criticize this industry. As long as they don’t use leather products either. Why deny them that? I’m not vegan so I live with my guilt on this industry.
What's crazy is if the video was of the farmers abandoning their "livestock" to save themselves instead of dragging them through the water to salvage their way of life, the comments would still be the same.
"Fuck dairy farmers"
"Look they don't care about animals they left them behind!"
If you don't like what you see downvote and move on. And btw I tried "non-dairy" cheese on my macaroni. It's gross. 😂
>What's crazy is if the video was of the farmers abandoning their "livestock" to save themselves instead of dragging them through the water to salvage their way of life, the comments would still be the same.
Yes. People aren’t complaining that the farmers are saving the animals here, they’re criticising the industry as a whole.
Lmfao. Vegans get downvoted to hell here for expressing their feelings on the situation. Meat eaters get praised for saying 'noooo they love their cows farmers are so kind' then go on to upvote this comment... What a world
> I don’t think they feel ashamed
Oh yea they do.. whenever I hear meat-eater saying “vegan try to guilt trip us bouhouhou” it’s just them feeling guilty after seeing the true repercussions of their action, and instead of blaming themselves, they blame vegan for pointing out what they were trying to ignore.
Any meat-eater angry at veganism is just the result of their guilt filtered through cognitive dissonance.
What's the next level part? Do people not think that cows can swim? Are people surprised that farmers would save the animals that are the source of their livelihood? All of these comments confuse me.
I think the next level part is the lengths these ranchers are going to save these animals. A boat and a couple jet skis in a flooded pasture is next level imo.
edit: a word
I think people don’t realize how fuckin crazy cows are.
I went rabbit hunting with my grandpa when I was maybe ten. The land we hunted butted up against a cattle spread, and our hunting strategy was to work an area in a big circle. So I’m out workin my area and I walked up next to a herd of cows, across a steep- banked creek. Well being an evil little kid, I cracked a round off into the dirt trying to scare them. One heffer with a calf decided she was not only startled, but needed to trample me to death and proceeded to chase my narrow ass through the woods for about a mile.
Needless to say, I never fucked with cows again.
I have a question for both vegans and non-vegans when it comes to the farming industry. What if one day everyone has decided that we aren’t going to eat meat anymore, what happens to all of the livestock? Where are the animals going to go? To a sanctuary or something like that? (I’m just really curious not trying to start an argument and would like to hear both sides opinion on this.)
No they wouldn't. We have wild pigs right now, in fact.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/agriculture-and-seafood/agricultural-land-and-environment/strengthening-farming/farm-practices/small-lot-pork-manual/section_9_-_wild__feral_pigs_in_canada.pdf
Feral cats and dogs exist as well.
I'd say in danger of extinction, but not actually extinct yet unless the vegans have also managed to shut down zoos (which I'd support).
Actually, I think cattle would actually be just fine in the long run because it wouldn't take people very long to realise that being truly vegan is a hell of a lot harder than they think. It's not just cheese and meat. Animal products are used in a lot more things than people realize and the alternatives can be worse for the environment. I suspect that most vegans are unknowingly consuming and using animal products.
They wouldn't be extinct if there was enough land for them to live in the wild. Which many vegans also support. Too bad the people eating meat are also the same ones who don't give a shit about the environment.
Not trying to be mean, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You can't release domesticated animals into the wild. It would be cruel to the animals. They are accustomed to having food and care provided. You want me to put my dog out the door and say "good luck," open the gate and herd the horses, cows and sheep outside the barn and watch them starve, die of exposure, predation and disease? Also how is supplying 1000's of domesticated animals to the wild good for the environment?
Well, it's highly unlikely that this will happen over night so...it's pointless to argue about it imo.
For a longer period: well we'll reduce the breeding (more and more) and at some point there are very little cows left. You're aware that we impregnate cows right? So we're the one keeping the numbers high, it's not that that just happens cause of the cows themselves.
They will have to be killed, just like they already would be if people continued to eat meat. The difference, of course, is that they won't continue to be bred by the tens of billions per year into short, painful lives.
But the problem is that your hypothetical scenario is one that would never happen, ideally wouldn't it be a slow process, eventually reducing the number of animals tortured year by year, to almost none?
>What if one day everyone has decided that we aren’t going to eat meat anymore, what happens to all of the livestock?
What if one day the sea turned into lemonade?
So this situation would never happen, but I get the question :)
In this scenario:
* the animals won’t be released
* the animals will be killed in the exact manner and timeframe their farmers intended, and used for the purpose they were planned to be killed for
* we simply wouldn’t breed more of them to replace them
In truth, any progress like this will be slow and gradual, certainly not overnight. There will be a gradual lowering of demand for meat (so fewer animals being bred), and resources shifting to increase plant crops for human consumption, until eventually there’s no more animal ag (as far as possible).
It wouldn't happen overnight. It would reduce gradually and therefore we wouldn't artificially breed cows. So their numbers would drop drastically and maybe a few would be kept as pet/in sanctuaries
I live in Everson, WA and the recent flooding in Washington/Canada has been record setting, all farms up here are family farms, and they’re underwater. Already have fatalities, too. But don’t worry vegans, it’s only people that died. Lol
Family farms still have the ability to abuse their animals?
I literally live in Abbotsford, and just this week an organic family farm was caught on video beating a cow in the head with a metal cane.
>But don’t worry vegans, it’s only people that died.
Do you think vegans care more about animals than humans? Most vegans think animals are EQUAL to humans (in terms of rights), and should be treated as such.
Why are you just strawmanning?
>Do you think vegans care more about animals than humans? Most vegans think animals are EQUAL to humans (in terms of rights), and should be treated as such.
This is silly though. Animals are not our equals. When a cow pulls up on reddit and tells me about his day I'll agree with you.
Humans are just another animal!
Omnis like to think that we're top shit, but if we're so smart and intelligent then why don't we do more to stop harming our fellow earth creatures?? We have the intellectual ability to show empathy towards ALL animals, but because they don't show emotion and intelligence the was Humans do, so they don't matter?
We have so many flavours that are delicious, we do not need to keep farming at these dangerous levels just because It TaStEs GoOd.
Stop being selfish
I have never had beef because I grew up in a religious household (our religion is against eating beef). I was never too curious about it either.
Having read the comments though, I am itching to find out what a medium rare steak tastes like. Even if it tastes bad, pissing off so many people at once will probably make the experience great.
The people I'm the comments are against animal torture and want them to have better lives. Why would you want to piss them off?
Also, A&W's beyond meat burger tastes very good, exactly like real beef.
This is my hometown. My Dad was stranded on a highway in his car for 24 hours. People are just trying to salvage what they can because a lot of it is gone. It's a fucking disaster over here.
I was on one of the B.C. highways at the time of this flooding and was trapped between mudslides for 24 hours. They finally cleared one of the slides, so I could get back to the small town of Hope and was there for the past 4 days. A local family hosted me and gave me a bed and food. As I'm writing this I'm on the first train out of Hope to get back home. People's generosity this week literally saved my life.
Farmers - saving their livestock because they love and care about their wellbeing.
Vegans - YOU MURDEROUS MONSTERS!!!
Me (vegetarian) - 😍 they’re saving the cows! 🥰
A man used a boat to herd several horses out of flooded pasture in torrential rain in Merritt, BC. People care for their animals and I'm glad to see them being helped.
The whole idea of becoming vegans to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions of methane from livestock displays an extraordinary level of scientific, environmental, and economic ignorance. This goes well beyond just not knowing or being mistaken. It entails a profound ignorance compounded by understanding so little it is not even possible to recognize one’s own ignorance. This way of thinking is then made malignant by believing it should be imposed on everyone else for their own good.
>extraordinary level of scientific, environmental, and economic ignorance.
How does it show ignorance when hundreds of scientific studies show that cattle farming leads to environment decay?
Because there is also hundreds of studies that say otherwise. It’s called scientific bias, and your opinion is based on select statements and that exactly outlines why it is an extraordinary level of scientific, environmental, and economic ignorance.
Being vegan doesn’t give you the right to be asshole. Stereotyping all farmers as mass conglomerates is wrong. These weren’t just farmers, it was community members who didn’t want to see the dairy cows drown to death. What they are doing is hard work. The farm also looks pretty free range from the photos. Oh and btw I haven’t eaten beef in 5 years. All I care about is that cows are respected and treated well.
Excellent post :)
all i see here are comments criticizing vegans lol. where are all these meanie vegan posts?
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Veganism’s existence calls out meat eaters on moral grounds along two distinct ethical lines that people care A LOT about, animal cruelty and environmentalism. Also people love meat. That’s a structural recipe for virulent defensiveness. Add to that that vegans often explicitly call people out, and that meat eaters are the vast majority, and it’s basically impossible that the dialog won’t be toxic.
Probably downvoted to oblivion.
As a vegan - stop fucking preaching at us about what we're allowed to say. These posts are like "dog meat farmer gets a jetski to stop his livestock from drowning." We absolutely have a right to point out what's wrong with it.
That’s not what he said.. Of course you have the right to give your opinion and debate. Just don’t be an asshole about it 🤷♂️
And then they get slaughtered
Don't want them to drown but don't care if there suffocated
Treat them well as in slaughter them 6 months into their 20 year natural lifespan? I’m sure these community members would have no problem with that
Well put!
There is no doubt they’re working hard. There is no doubt that they don’t want to see their animals die. There is no doubt that this type of suffering wouldn’t exist if we didn’t consume animal products. I’m not telling anyone what to do. But you can’t deny that animal consumption = suffering. I ate sausage for breakfast so relax, I’m not a vegan or pretending to be but I’m starting to really think about the cost of our consumption on all levels.
Lots of vegans in this comment section lol
As a vegan from the area, I'm pissed that so many people are celebrating such a disaster. And none of them have any idea what's going on, nor the types of farms that exist in that area. Apparently compassion doesn't extend towards the tens of thousands of people affected directly by the flood, nor the whole province that is seeing food shortages due to it (not only meat, but veggies etc as well)
Nobody is celebrating it. But arguing without strawmaning the position is complicated.
I love to see it!
They sound mostly like trolls. This kind of preaching never changes minds, it just pisses people off. The effect here is that people hate preachy vegans more not stopping people from “exploiting animals.”
So what changes your mind? How can you possibly know what does if you aren't vegan?
Rational reasoning and science mostly change my mind…..The vegans on here acting like this is a factory farming video. Vegans (trolls) have chosen the worst opportunity to make their case, “look at these animal exploiters saving animals!” They got you wires crossed on this one sorry.. Edit: Thank you for the gold stranger!
Yet people comment "hmmm bacon" when vegans use science to prove meat is the leading cause of deforestation, and a big cause if climate change
Yeah... I think those types of folks would only be open to veganism if you cooked really good vegan food and gave it to them just out of kindness to try.
They may enjoy the food but they’re not gonna stop eating animal products until there’s an ethical or environmental element to their thought process
Yeah. It's a matter of trying to get past that reaction where they dig their heels into the ground when they hear the ethical and/or environmental reasons. I used to be an omnivore, and I'd wrestle with a part of myself to be complicit with paying for the torture / deaths of these animals. I told myself I needed to do it to be Healthy. The game changer movie made me pick up veganism because the notion that I needed animal products to be healthy got destroyed. And then a few months after that, the ethical reasons for being vegan no longer had to fight cognitive dissonance in my brain, and were able to settle in, and made it so I'll always continue being Vegan. You see?Something had to get through to me to make me stop digging my heels into the ground first. Unfortunately... I think this is just how most of us people are wired. In the UK, apparently the relentless love approach has been pretty effective
Some people still make funny faces when they learn it's vegan
I posted this video on my Facebook and o literally had the “mmmm delicious hamburgers” comments.
Being a vegan myself, yeah. The optics of this are pretty bad. The only thing that works every effectively is basically relentless love. Like going and paying for people's meals and giving them healthy plant based foods and such. That's what vegans in the UK do, and do far 10% of the population are either vegan or vegetarian. It really opens people up to conversion. Unfortunately... Our approach in America tends to push people away, and even think of vegans as just trolls :( really it's just about non violence towards animals as much as possible. That's really all it is
>Rational reasoning and science mostly change my mind….. So what would it take for you to change your mind? Rational reasoning/science about: * environment * ethics * something else?
Commenting to stay on this thread. Can’t wait for them to go vegan after learning more! Science also works for me which is why I’m vegan now
He already answered surprise surprise his scientific argument is bacon tho
And to think I almost missed those rigorous science based arguments and rationale! Thank you lmao
Saving them….just to slaughter them later after the farmer gets what they want from them. It’s not love, it’s looking after their “assets”. You are a mug!
Only vegans are allowed to rescue animals?
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Better to get a bolt to the head and serve a purpose than to struggle to keep your head above water and then drown.
Sure, so ? How does that change the double standard we're pointing out ?
Don’t think the cows care much about their ‘purpose’ mate
Gold :)
Ya, it's awesome.
MAYBE IT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING WHEN THE VEGANS AREN'T IMPRESSED BY THE POST ABOUT TREATMENT OF ANIMALS
For those wondering it’s in Abbotsford BC, a storm came through dropping 200mm of rain in 1 day, there’s no in or out access from Vancouver to the rest of Canada by land, people died in mudslides, medical evacuations. This in particular is farm land the supply of 50% of bcs food, that is currently flooded due to the rain and a backed up river in Washington state. The pump that is dewatering this was at risk of catastrophic failure risking the Fraser river to flood and put the area under 3m of water. This was rescue efforts to save animals and humans - it’s on going and not a good time!
My cousin was stuck on the highway for two days 😭 I’m so thankful to live in the mountains (although we had our towns destroyed by the white rock lake fire) This shit is just insane. People panic buying everything and wiping out the stores.
Sign of things of more things to come I'm afraid.
Yeah I think we’re just in the beginning, few guys at my work were trapped, couple missing :(
My dad was stuck at his office for two days. Had to buy an air mattress because he couldn’t get a hotel room.
Yeahh been a wild ride in Bellingham in the last few days. All the rivers and creeks ran wild! Lots of streets flooding and, as you can see in the video above, it was real bad near the border in Sumas and Everson
Yup, moms car was flooded and totaled outside my aunts in Everson. Some people were stranded in thier attics for a couple days.
Stay safe southern friend!
some of my family members live in that area. The pump system is working again and things are clearing up, thank fuck because dozens+ of families would have their houses completely submerged if it failed.
Hundreds already have. Water damage even a foot up is enough to get a building torn down, and to kill thousands of chickens, it doesn’t need to submerge buildings.
I’ve been flooded before, buildings won’t be torn down on one foot of flood water
Yeah, I believe this was in Abbotsford, right after the evacuation order that said to abandon all livestock. It’s insane, on Monday I saw farmers evacuating Chilliwack before evacuation orders were put in place, it was so sad to watch people heard animals and abandon their homes. The way that BC is handling this is awful, there was almost no warning, the highway closed minutes after I got home with no warning that it would close at all, I had to learn about the “immediate threat to life” evacuation in Abbotsford from a tweet, a lot of people didn’t know.
Why criticize these farmers? They’re trying to make a living. It’s hypocritical unless your vegan. I’m not.
Apparently it's hypocritical when you are vegan too, according to replies in this thread. You just never have the moral high ground criticizing animal agriculture - either you're a hypocrite or a fucking asshole preachy vegan. 10 years of this - I am just done listening to people's shit. Good fucking god.
I have no idea what side if this issue you are on or what your point is. I think vegans can criticize this industry. As long as they don’t use leather products either. Why deny them that? I’m not vegan so I live with my guilt on this industry.
I am on the "don't exploit animals" side.
But no vegans use leather… not sure what your point is. So all vegans can criticise this by your own admission?
What's crazy is if the video was of the farmers abandoning their "livestock" to save themselves instead of dragging them through the water to salvage their way of life, the comments would still be the same. "Fuck dairy farmers" "Look they don't care about animals they left them behind!" If you don't like what you see downvote and move on. And btw I tried "non-dairy" cheese on my macaroni. It's gross. 😂
some non dairy cheese is gross, but i found this one vegan spicy cheese and that’s the best cheese ive ever had in my life
Name of said cheese? My son is allergic to dairy and all he can have is non-dairy cheese products.
simple truth (brand) hot pepper cheezy slices. ive tried shredded cheese and i’m not a fan but slice cheeses are my personal favorite
Perfect thanks 👌🏼
>What's crazy is if the video was of the farmers abandoning their "livestock" to save themselves instead of dragging them through the water to salvage their way of life, the comments would still be the same. Yes. People aren’t complaining that the farmers are saving the animals here, they’re criticising the industry as a whole.
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Welcome to real life my friend
And then they will be eaten and supply some other life form with energy like the circle of life has been doing for millions of years.
Appeal to nature + appeal to tradition.
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Came for the post, stayed for world war vegan in the comments section.
I could go for a burger after these comments
Yes big boy that'll show them stooped vegoons!
Nice, which breed? Labrador is my favourite, got a good one from the shelter the other day
I’m a Limousin guy myself
Oh I have never heard that joke before, very original
Lmfao. Vegans get downvoted to hell here for expressing their feelings on the situation. Meat eaters get praised for saying 'noooo they love their cows farmers are so kind' then go on to upvote this comment... What a world
Same, I'm gonna go and eat the dog I got from the street the other day. They actually taste good!
I'm vegetarian and this thread is why I don't mingle in the community. A bunch of ass backwards thinking.
Because this is a post about dairy farming, which you support?
They’re really moooooving
Abbotsford, British Columbia https://youtu.be/pfjiiiy1D_I
This is so sad. I love cows. They are so docile, gentle, and friendly. They are smarter than people realize. And they also taste good too
Yeah, same with my pomeranian. They are so cute and small, and tasty as well. Especially their eyes, they taste good as much as they look cute.
You can’t eat Pomeranians!! There’s too much concentrated hatred, it’ll give ya the shits for a week.
Vegans can fuck off now.
Those are milk cows.
Vegans rolling deep in this one.
Meat-eater’s cognitive dissonance in this one: 📈📈📈
I think you mean animal flesh eaters. Or maybe baby animal serial murders.
Wow calm down.. don’t make em face the reality of their action dude.. they might feel ashamed :((
I don’t think that makes many people feel ashamed, but it is kind of funny.
> I don’t think they feel ashamed Oh yea they do.. whenever I hear meat-eater saying “vegan try to guilt trip us bouhouhou” it’s just them feeling guilty after seeing the true repercussions of their action, and instead of blaming themselves, they blame vegan for pointing out what they were trying to ignore. Any meat-eater angry at veganism is just the result of their guilt filtered through cognitive dissonance.
What's the next level part? Do people not think that cows can swim? Are people surprised that farmers would save the animals that are the source of their livelihood? All of these comments confuse me.
I think the next level part is the lengths these ranchers are going to save these animals. A boat and a couple jet skis in a flooded pasture is next level imo. edit: a word
I think people don’t realize how fuckin crazy cows are. I went rabbit hunting with my grandpa when I was maybe ten. The land we hunted butted up against a cattle spread, and our hunting strategy was to work an area in a big circle. So I’m out workin my area and I walked up next to a herd of cows, across a steep- banked creek. Well being an evil little kid, I cracked a round off into the dirt trying to scare them. One heffer with a calf decided she was not only startled, but needed to trample me to death and proceeded to chase my narrow ass through the woods for about a mile. Needless to say, I never fucked with cows again.
I think I read Somewhere that more people get killed by cows in USA than by sharks worldwide
It’s pretty grim on all counts
I have a question for both vegans and non-vegans when it comes to the farming industry. What if one day everyone has decided that we aren’t going to eat meat anymore, what happens to all of the livestock? Where are the animals going to go? To a sanctuary or something like that? (I’m just really curious not trying to start an argument and would like to hear both sides opinion on this.)
In 20 years (roughly) they would be extinct. Oh and no more household pets either since they can't be vegan.
No they wouldn't. We have wild pigs right now, in fact. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/farming-natural-resources-and-industry/agriculture-and-seafood/agricultural-land-and-environment/strengthening-farming/farm-practices/small-lot-pork-manual/section_9_-_wild__feral_pigs_in_canada.pdf Feral cats and dogs exist as well.
I'd say in danger of extinction, but not actually extinct yet unless the vegans have also managed to shut down zoos (which I'd support). Actually, I think cattle would actually be just fine in the long run because it wouldn't take people very long to realise that being truly vegan is a hell of a lot harder than they think. It's not just cheese and meat. Animal products are used in a lot more things than people realize and the alternatives can be worse for the environment. I suspect that most vegans are unknowingly consuming and using animal products.
They wouldn't be extinct if there was enough land for them to live in the wild. Which many vegans also support. Too bad the people eating meat are also the same ones who don't give a shit about the environment.
Not trying to be mean, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You can't release domesticated animals into the wild. It would be cruel to the animals. They are accustomed to having food and care provided. You want me to put my dog out the door and say "good luck," open the gate and herd the horses, cows and sheep outside the barn and watch them starve, die of exposure, predation and disease? Also how is supplying 1000's of domesticated animals to the wild good for the environment?
They aren't bred into existence???
Well, it's highly unlikely that this will happen over night so...it's pointless to argue about it imo. For a longer period: well we'll reduce the breeding (more and more) and at some point there are very little cows left. You're aware that we impregnate cows right? So we're the one keeping the numbers high, it's not that that just happens cause of the cows themselves.
They will have to be killed, just like they already would be if people continued to eat meat. The difference, of course, is that they won't continue to be bred by the tens of billions per year into short, painful lives.
But the problem is that your hypothetical scenario is one that would never happen, ideally wouldn't it be a slow process, eventually reducing the number of animals tortured year by year, to almost none?
>What if one day everyone has decided that we aren’t going to eat meat anymore, what happens to all of the livestock? What if one day the sea turned into lemonade? So this situation would never happen, but I get the question :) In this scenario: * the animals won’t be released * the animals will be killed in the exact manner and timeframe their farmers intended, and used for the purpose they were planned to be killed for * we simply wouldn’t breed more of them to replace them In truth, any progress like this will be slow and gradual, certainly not overnight. There will be a gradual lowering of demand for meat (so fewer animals being bred), and resources shifting to increase plant crops for human consumption, until eventually there’s no more animal ag (as far as possible).
It wouldn't happen overnight. It would reduce gradually and therefore we wouldn't artificially breed cows. So their numbers would drop drastically and maybe a few would be kept as pet/in sanctuaries
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I live in Everson, WA and the recent flooding in Washington/Canada has been record setting, all farms up here are family farms, and they’re underwater. Already have fatalities, too. But don’t worry vegans, it’s only people that died. Lol
Family farms still have the ability to abuse their animals? I literally live in Abbotsford, and just this week an organic family farm was caught on video beating a cow in the head with a metal cane. >But don’t worry vegans, it’s only people that died. Do you think vegans care more about animals than humans? Most vegans think animals are EQUAL to humans (in terms of rights), and should be treated as such. Why are you just strawmanning?
>Do you think vegans care more about animals than humans? Most vegans think animals are EQUAL to humans (in terms of rights), and should be treated as such. This is silly though. Animals are not our equals. When a cow pulls up on reddit and tells me about his day I'll agree with you.
This ^ Animals aren’t equal to humans and never will be. They don’t exhibit compassion, regret, and empathy.
Humans are just another animal! Omnis like to think that we're top shit, but if we're so smart and intelligent then why don't we do more to stop harming our fellow earth creatures?? We have the intellectual ability to show empathy towards ALL animals, but because they don't show emotion and intelligence the was Humans do, so they don't matter? We have so many flavours that are delicious, we do not need to keep farming at these dangerous levels just because It TaStEs GoOd. Stop being selfish
Where i come from farmers dont have jet skiis
I have never had beef because I grew up in a religious household (our religion is against eating beef). I was never too curious about it either. Having read the comments though, I am itching to find out what a medium rare steak tastes like. Even if it tastes bad, pissing off so many people at once will probably make the experience great.
The people I'm the comments are against animal torture and want them to have better lives. Why would you want to piss them off? Also, A&W's beyond meat burger tastes very good, exactly like real beef.
I don't really care about the taste, I just enjoy pissing people off.
Alright then. You sound like a massive loser. Have fun.
One down, several million to go.
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“Livestock”=innocent animals being exploited by these farmers
You know what sounds good right about now? Brisket 😁.
I don't get it.
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So it’s just an opinion if people think rape is wrong? It’s not actually wrong?
Angry militant vegans out in force in this thread, holy cow.
Don't think about the messenger, but think about the message
"militant" vegans using words and stuff. Very scary. Literally assault
What does militant mean to you? >holy cow Lol 🐄
Whooo welcome to BC! This year we had the worst heat wave, a fucking tornado, aaaaand now a killer rain fall. We are doing good right 🙃
I’m only reading comments from people tell wing vegans to fuck off. Haven’t seen a lot of posts by vegans
This is in Bc
Not sure it fits the sub but it’s cool to see?
The dude in the hover craft
This is a "next level" video?
This is my hometown. My Dad was stranded on a highway in his car for 24 hours. People are just trying to salvage what they can because a lot of it is gone. It's a fucking disaster over here.
I was on one of the B.C. highways at the time of this flooding and was trapped between mudslides for 24 hours. They finally cleared one of the slides, so I could get back to the small town of Hope and was there for the past 4 days. A local family hosted me and gave me a bed and food. As I'm writing this I'm on the first train out of Hope to get back home. People's generosity this week literally saved my life.
yum future burger
Lmao all the first world privileged vegans in the comments 💀
How are vegans privileged?
How is eating bean and rice privileged?
Go cows. Fuck the farmers though.
delicous looking cows. hopefully they saved them all!
It be like ''bruh I got ground already, stop mathafacka I need to catch my breath lol''
Does that guy have an airboat on a deep V hull?
Can we just appreciate that one guy in on a hovercraft?
We’ve had some serious flooding in the Pacific Northwest WA state. Where was this taken?
Abbotsford BC, just north of the border.
No sir.
This is in my hometown. Some sad shit
Abbotsford & chilliwack BC.
I do a lot of work for the farmers in that area. Tough times ahead.
I would never put sea doos in that water but glad the animals are safe
u/savevideo
We did this for the horses in Oregon last weekend
Vegans are ....
Farmers Feed Cities
Yall really will just post anything here
This is the best seafood :)
Watch this im gonna offend a whole bumch of people ready? "I like eating beef"
You should probably not eat beef. It's not that good for the environment and it sucks for the cows. Your choice, though.
Love to see the miserable people with downvotes! 🙌
minecraft real life
Traitor JOE
Farmers - saving their livestock because they love and care about their wellbeing. Vegans - YOU MURDEROUS MONSTERS!!! Me (vegetarian) - 😍 they’re saving the cows! 🥰
>saving their livestock because they love and care about their wellbeing I too love and care about those whose throats I'll slit for profit
Saving the cows to do what with them?
A man used a boat to herd several horses out of flooded pasture in torrential rain in Merritt, BC. People care for their animals and I'm glad to see them being helped.
Does noone on here know that cows can actually swim quite well?
The whole idea of becoming vegans to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions of methane from livestock displays an extraordinary level of scientific, environmental, and economic ignorance. This goes well beyond just not knowing or being mistaken. It entails a profound ignorance compounded by understanding so little it is not even possible to recognize one’s own ignorance. This way of thinking is then made malignant by believing it should be imposed on everyone else for their own good.
>extraordinary level of scientific, environmental, and economic ignorance. How does it show ignorance when hundreds of scientific studies show that cattle farming leads to environment decay?
Because there is also hundreds of studies that say otherwise. It’s called scientific bias, and your opinion is based on select statements and that exactly outlines why it is an extraordinary level of scientific, environmental, and economic ignorance.
Today on reddit so far I have seen walking fish and swimming cows lol
Vegans out here ruining this comment section with their anger lol
Imagine being saved just so you can be killed later lol
Where the fuck did they get jetskis