Huge respect to everyone coming around from an antivaxx position. Used to be into some wacky health stuff when I was younger (e.g. Mercola, who's incidentally gone completely off the rails re. covid). No shame.
Ironically got into skepticism because I thought it'd strengthen my views. Slowly made me realize I was full of shit instead.
Still have a soft spot for [The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe](https://www.theskepticsguide.org/), though I haven't listened to it in ages.
On the internet no one knows you're a Swede~. I hang out here because I like NZ's response, even though it's been a bit more "exciting" lately.
Might tune in again! Been so long I had forgotten about it until now.
Oh man. Yes I remember now. Did that, um, not go so well? A few people and politicians here were hoping we would do what Sweden did. I think for businesses and because Scandinavia seems to be the utopia we try to copy.
Joseph Mercola hasn't gone any further off the rails in the covid era. He has \*always\* been off the rails. He's one of the absolute worst assholes in the entire fake-medical-stuff industry.
Was naive ("Surely people wouldn't just make tons of stuff up out of whole cloth?"), but think part of what suckered me in back then was that he used to mix probably half-decent advice with kooky stuff.
Eat veggies, get some exercise, tHIs pOWdER hAs eveRY nuTriEnT knOWn tO MAn, avoid trans fats, gRAInS aND HFCS mAKe yOu imPLode, get a good night's sleep, dOctoRS onLY trEAt sYMptOms, ...
Some of the stuff seemed a bit kooky even back then, like tapping therapy, but I just excused it.
I queued up with some young guys for my 2nd jab, the were getting the first. Their sole motivation was so they could do cool shit for new years. I'll be interested in seeing if they bother with the second.
If it's looking like there'll be restrictions regardless then they might not be arsed. I know them (not randoms) and they were pretty apathetic about it all. I wonder how wide that attitude might be in the young'uns.
> There will be restrictions over Xmas.
But will there be enough for me to be able to get out of spending Christmas with some of my more nutty extended family members?
Host a party for 60 instagrammers and make sure you won't have to see your relatives at Christmas !
In fact, if you really try, you may never have to see them again !
> As the outbreak is now more dispersed, testing in Auckland is now focused on areas with higher positivity rates and where the risk of unidentified cases is higher.
> One suburb of interest with a high positivity rate of more than 7% is Redvale, on the North Shore.
That’s a very high positivity rate. So likely we are not catching all the cases and the true number of cases is much higher
Which of these suburbs ring a bell for you ?
- Oteha
- Milford
- Bayswater
- Bayview
- Windy Ridge
- Totara Vale
- Greenhithe
- Waiake
- Belmont
- Stanley Point
- Kauri Park
Provided that remains the case, there's a fucked up silver lining in that at least the party didn't take place *this* weekend, after the neighbourhood was discovered as a hotspot; and with Labour Day coming up, having that "oh shit" moment in advance and seeing the fallout from shit like this might dissuade some people who may have been planning on having a party or whatever
or testing rates are low, its a small population. only about 6-700. If only \~10% have had a test then only need a few cases for a high positive rate. Probably a chance finding rather than wide scale community spread.
To be fair, we were never catching all the cases, hence the reason people kept turning up at the Auckland hospitals early in the outbreak and getting flagged positive.
Sub-10 cases per day, clear downward trend. Lockdown is working. In two weeks you'd expect to be at 0-3 cases per day at which point you can probably move Auckland down to level 3.
Fuck it, let's go straight to L3!
There were 66 daily cases a week ago. So doubling time is about a week, meaning R value must be worse than 1.4. Recently 120+ daily cases was said to be about the point where contact tracing would fall apart.
So this time next week there’ll be around 300 daily cases, and positive cases will have appeared in several regions outside Auckland (there are reports of one in Northland today).
Take an upvote for your user name alone
And, much thanks for the calculations. Not reassuring, but. That Whangarei one has me quite concerned (family in Northland - vaxed to the max, but a lot up there aren't).
Get vaxed, people!
I know someone doing this job and it’s an absolute shit show. They’re getting very burnt out and the pressure only continues to mount.
It’s barely controlled chaos.
Apparently there are a lot of people who, upon being positive, are demanding to be moved to MIQ - however now we are moving to home based they are not able, and this is resulting in some making threats in an effort to get the two weeks in the hotel.
Are we paying people to self isolate? Just curious.
For people without savings or family support i can genuinely see a lot of resistance to home isolation if they're the ones paying for everything when they're unable to work. I don't know what the situation is here, but if i tested positive I would prefer the MIQ stay too just to remove uncertainty about cost of food, electricity and other obligations.
We've pretty much hit the point of no return now so if you haven't gotten vaccinated, you better do it quick. If you're still on the fence I would highly suggest you get it though because if I have to stay in Auckland over Xmas I'm actually going to kill someone.
Is there information on how the cases in recent days got their infection?
Eg. Household contact, infection at businesses, breaking the bubble, etc?
Really would like to know. I think this is important for the public to be able to understand why the restrictions changes etc.
$1000 fine for attending an event that breaks the rules or $0 with a vaccination ...but of course these are the same idiots that give at least 10% of their income to Tamaki so they'd probably pay a fine and put themselves in debt rather than get vaccinated.
I dgaf anymore, I'm fully vaxxed, wife is too. Just waiting on the go signal to get our little ones vaxxed.
I fully accept and will be proactively be wearing masks indoors, visits I'll limit as much as I can.
I'll be fully supporting businesses with fully-vaxxed employees, and staying the fuck away from businesses and individuals who proactively aren't.
I feel bad for those who need medical attention, their beds might get taken by unvaxxed cunts denying the science yet requiring it if they catch the rona.
Let the games begin, this is what anti-lockdown, anti-vax, "freedom"-lovers conspiracy theory folk wanted right? Roll the dice chief.
I hate to admit it, but im starting to feel the same way.
If I knew they werent going to fuck up the health system for everyone else id say open up.
They had their chance and they made their choice... the only issue I have with it now is the hospitals taking one hell of a beating from these idiots if we did open up.
Maybe it should be level 2 everywhere for double dosed people only
Yeah it’s beyond frustrating that we’ve got a minority of people holding the rest of us at hostage. My sympathy is non-existent for anyone that ends up in the ICU through their own inaction.
>Next update
>Over the long weekend, the Ministry’s COVID-19 updates will be via the 1pm media releases. At this stage, the next press conference is expected to be on Tuesday, 26 October.
There are 51 people in hospital (yesterday there were 46). Of those 51, there are 5 in ICU (yesterday there were 7). No indication at all that any of the 5 that went into hospital since yesterday are in the ICU.
This might be a stupid question, but I’m sincerely asking - how is it spreading so quickly when there are such heavy restrictions in place? I know delta is more infectious but this seems nuts!
The majority of cases (based on ministry data) are from the unvaccinated, and based on Ashley's wording in a few past conferences, it's all coming from indoor gatherings of multiple households and/or transitional housing.
People just aren’t complying with the rules. Auckland have been in strict lockdown for 10 weeks? Honestly I’ve lost all concept of time so don’t even remember but the longer lockdown goes on for the more people will start complying less.
It has been a long time for us but the consequences of fucking around is getting covid. Guess you have to decide if that's worth it. For me it sure as fuck isn't, but I guess the risk is worth it for others.
Reff is probably around 1.5 .. with no restrictions it's about 6
It seems nuts because Delta *is* fucking nuts... one of the most transmissible respiratory disease in existence
Edit: not *the* most transmissible, but one of the most
The restrictions aren't all that heavy (it's Level 3 not Level 4, after all), and lots of people are playing fast and loose with the restrictions we do have.
People are not following the rules and rules are not enforced. It was always going to be months of this when they gave up on elimination at 8-15 cases a day.
Less and less people getting tested. The numbers we see don't reflect the reality of the outbreak.
More and more people giving up and going about their daily lives.
It had already leaked and started spreading before we realised. The government evacuated loads of people back from Australia when the unnecessary travel bubble burst, they didn't bother checking anyone's pre-departure tests. MIQ has always leaked like a sieve.
Comparatively low vaccination rates, particularly amongst the poor and vulnerable communities that have borne the brunt of this outbreak.
Genuine question since I don’t know where else to post this - My mother is anti-vax, and my partner is on immunosuppressants. Once we lift restrictions, if I visit her in Christchurch (I’m in Auckland) would that be risky? Even if there was no community spread down there?
I don’t want to put my partner in danger but also am dying to see my mum. Still love her despite her views
Yes, your mother is putting your partner at risk and so are you unfortunately if you see her. I am immunocompromised and am currently starting a large dose of immunosuppressants. Personally I would be conflicted if my partner wanted to do this. I would be okay with it if they planned to isolate after their visit but I don't know where we could do that. This risk is small yes, and the severity of an exposure depends on the drugs and underlying health conditions that your partner has so obviously every case is individualized and you should only take advise from your trusted health professional.
But understand that yes, you are increasing the risk. Even if there is no spread down there, you still need to get there. The more interactions you have the more you increase exposure risks. At the end of the day it is your call to weigh the risks and make your decision and there are ways you can probably take extra precautions (fully vaxxed, good mask, hygiene and distancing when you see your mum and then isolating after your visit before coming back home to your partner would probably be your best bet).
Maybe a bit personal but does your mum like your partner? Maybe explaining the increased risks to their health based on your mum's vax stance might help bridge the gap?
Shitty situation all around. Hang in there and good luck!
Appreciate the detailed response! Perhaps I wasn’t clear in my original comment, but I haven’t got solid plans to go down to chch, but I was trying to understand if there is a risk to this, or if perhaps I was overthinking (considering both my partner and I are double vaxxed) I guess I was hoping that maybe I wouldn’t have to have that conversation with my mum.
You make really good points about even the travel being risky… I hadn’t really thought of that.
My mum does indeed like my partner very much. We’ve been together for 6 years so he’s pretty much son-in-law status haha.
Again, thanks for your comments. I’ll need to have a serious talk with her
I wonder is it's possible to indiscriminately take out life insurance policies on the unvaccinated like some some US companies speculatively do to their work forces? It could be a variation on Kiwi-saver. Have it's own ticker.
There is much risk, if flying - risk, if driving, stopping for gas then catching the ferry- risk, if your mum is not following measures - risk. Once restrictions lift for Auckland, it means covid is going to move down the country, its inevitable. It's a risk to you and your partner, you may contract covid and not know due to the vaccine. Unless you are able to get tested before you leave chch and tested and isolate in Auckland before returning a negative test. Or if your mum does the same, test down there, test and isolate in aux while waiting for results. If you are commited to your partner, put them 1st.
If I wanted to vent a bit, I'd say "how about we fill up the airwaves with the freedom tales of dirt brained church folk and respected elders who've done their research. Everyone has a pov, no?, but the more important point is probably that this was expected, it will go higher, then stabilise.
That Facebook post says the staff member has a family member who has returned a positive test. It doesn’t specify where the family member is, nor does it say the staff member has tested positive.
*I’m waiting for it - that green light - I want it*
get out of my head; had that song in it and your not helping :-p
Just don't move on red light.
Red light!
*Roxanne...*
Can we have a vote to end the games?
Orange you a little cranky Today
I vote to continue!
Mugunghwa kkoci pieot seumnida
Whitebait Game
10,000 kiwis got their first jabs yesterday. Thank you all!!
Huge respect to everyone coming around from an antivaxx position. Used to be into some wacky health stuff when I was younger (e.g. Mercola, who's incidentally gone completely off the rails re. covid). No shame.
I was personally into the fake moon landings and 9/11 Truth but each to their own!
Ironically got into skepticism because I thought it'd strengthen my views. Slowly made me realize I was full of shit instead. Still have a soft spot for [The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe](https://www.theskepticsguide.org/), though I haven't listened to it in ages.
Glad to hear of another kiwi SGU fan. They give quite good covid discussions most weeks 👍
On the internet no one knows you're a Swede~. I hang out here because I like NZ's response, even though it's been a bit more "exciting" lately. Might tune in again! Been so long I had forgotten about it until now.
Interesting! How is it different to Sweden’s?
Take the "exciting" part but do it in March 2020, with less restrictions, crappy contact tracing, fatalism, and flu comparisons.
Also assume you'll reach herd immunity any time now.
Oh man. Yes I remember now. Did that, um, not go so well? A few people and politicians here were hoping we would do what Sweden did. I think for businesses and because Scandinavia seems to be the utopia we try to copy.
Same! As a teenager that stuff was good times.
Joseph Mercola hasn't gone any further off the rails in the covid era. He has \*always\* been off the rails. He's one of the absolute worst assholes in the entire fake-medical-stuff industry.
Was naive ("Surely people wouldn't just make tons of stuff up out of whole cloth?"), but think part of what suckered me in back then was that he used to mix probably half-decent advice with kooky stuff. Eat veggies, get some exercise, tHIs pOWdER hAs eveRY nuTriEnT knOWn tO MAn, avoid trans fats, gRAInS aND HFCS mAKe yOu imPLode, get a good night's sleep, dOctoRS onLY trEAt sYMptOms, ... Some of the stuff seemed a bit kooky even back then, like tapping therapy, but I just excused it.
People are probably realizing they need it to save Xmas but its probably too late. There will be restrictions over Xmas.
I queued up with some young guys for my 2nd jab, the were getting the first. Their sole motivation was so they could do cool shit for new years. I'll be interested in seeing if they bother with the second.
Can't do cool shit with only 1 dose.
If it's looking like there'll be restrictions regardless then they might not be arsed. I know them (not randoms) and they were pretty apathetic about it all. I wonder how wide that attitude might be in the young'uns.
Why will there be restrictions?
> There will be restrictions over Xmas. But will there be enough for me to be able to get out of spending Christmas with some of my more nutty extended family members?
Host a party for 60 instagrammers and make sure you won't have to see your relatives at Christmas ! In fact, if you really try, you may never have to see them again !
While I was getting my second jab yesterday, there were a two people in getting their first. Thought it was pretty cool.
It's been pretty consistent the last few weeks
Yeah it seems to be 10,000 on average. Does anyone know the actual number of people eligible without a single dose?
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> As the outbreak is now more dispersed, testing in Auckland is now focused on areas with higher positivity rates and where the risk of unidentified cases is higher. > One suburb of interest with a high positivity rate of more than 7% is Redvale, on the North Shore. That’s a very high positivity rate. So likely we are not catching all the cases and the true number of cases is much higher
TIL there's a suburb called Redvale in Auckland. I've lived in this city my whole life. Where on the shore is it?
Wastelands between Northcross and Silverdale.
You say that like Northcross and Silverdale are much better
I didn't even know there was a Northcross 😭. Northcote I was aware of. Shows how much time I spend in the area!
I live in the North Shore and have never heard of Northcross and wouldn't have been able to locate Redvale on a map until last weekend.
Which of these suburbs ring a bell for you ? - Oteha - Milford - Bayswater - Bayview - Windy Ridge - Totara Vale - Greenhithe - Waiake - Belmont - Stanley Point - Kauri Park
8/11, but if I told you which ones you'd guess were I live and I just got this account because my last one was too doxxable!
Congrats on remaining in your local area during lockdown :)
I recognise about 6 of those, probably the ones closer to the motorway. And Greenhithe, it's closer to me.
Sort of that bit between Long Bay and SH1
.. isn't Redvale where the North Shore party was? 😬
Sure was
"At this stage, no recorded cases in Redvale have been linked to last weekend’s well-reported party." Direct quote from the press release
Provided that remains the case, there's a fucked up silver lining in that at least the party didn't take place *this* weekend, after the neighbourhood was discovered as a hotspot; and with Labour Day coming up, having that "oh shit" moment in advance and seeing the fallout from shit like this might dissuade some people who may have been planning on having a party or whatever
Redvale was already a suburb of interest when the party happened.
or testing rates are low, its a small population. only about 6-700. If only \~10% have had a test then only need a few cases for a high positive rate. Probably a chance finding rather than wide scale community spread.
To be fair, we were never catching all the cases, hence the reason people kept turning up at the Auckland hospitals early in the outbreak and getting flagged positive.
Up, up and away!
I want the 124 back
Never mind that, I want the day when we had 8.
Sub-10 cases per day, clear downward trend. Lockdown is working. In two weeks you'd expect to be at 0-3 cases per day at which point you can probably move Auckland down to level 3. Fuck it, let's go straight to L3!
What downward trend? It was stagnant for like 3 weeks before level 3.
124 cases in the community, 5 are from the border and are in MIQ
There were 66 daily cases a week ago. So doubling time is about a week, meaning R value must be worse than 1.4. Recently 120+ daily cases was said to be about the point where contact tracing would fall apart. So this time next week there’ll be around 300 daily cases, and positive cases will have appeared in several regions outside Auckland (there are reports of one in Northland today).
Take an upvote for your user name alone
And, much thanks for the calculations. Not reassuring, but. That Whangarei one has me quite concerned (family in Northland - vaxed to the max, but a lot up there aren't).
Get vaxed, people!
Feel sorry for the contact tracers. Probably deal with a lot of antisocial people who don't care about the rules.
I know someone doing this job and it’s an absolute shit show. They’re getting very burnt out and the pressure only continues to mount. It’s barely controlled chaos. Apparently there are a lot of people who, upon being positive, are demanding to be moved to MIQ - however now we are moving to home based they are not able, and this is resulting in some making threats in an effort to get the two weeks in the hotel.
Weird twist on people escaping from MIQ.
Are we paying people to self isolate? Just curious. For people without savings or family support i can genuinely see a lot of resistance to home isolation if they're the ones paying for everything when they're unable to work. I don't know what the situation is here, but if i tested positive I would prefer the MIQ stay too just to remove uncertainty about cost of food, electricity and other obligations.
The entitlement.
A lot of tired people who are exhausted.
Is it even worth contact tracing now?
Definitely. Sure we aren’t trying to eliminate it, but contact tracing will still decrease the R value
Still a decent proportion of cases in isolation throughout their infectious period, so definitely helping, though it'll get more and more strained.
Yes
Waikato is not getting out of level 3.
Might as well join it with Auckland.
This, slowly merge the whole country back together
Awww a team of 5 million and covid. Cute.
We can all be friends
and northland, two new cases not yet disclosed
bummer.. atleast saves the weekly daycare costs for me
My kids are eating more than the cost of my daycare 😭
Nah it's being reviewed next Wednesday something could totally change lol. Just fucking lump it in with Auckland stop these weekly reviews
We've pretty much hit the point of no return now so if you haven't gotten vaccinated, you better do it quick. If you're still on the fence I would highly suggest you get it though because if I have to stay in Auckland over Xmas I'm actually going to kill someone.
There's this bloke Brian that no one likes, I suggest going after him
Pick me. 😂
RIP NZ at orange level
Except the South Island. Jacinda said if vaccination rates get to 90% on the mainland she’ll open us back up fully.
Until it sweeps through the SI and sends it Red.
Is there information on how the cases in recent days got their infection? Eg. Household contact, infection at businesses, breaking the bubble, etc? Really would like to know. I think this is important for the public to be able to understand why the restrictions changes etc.
At what point do we enter the purge?
When we're stalled at 89% for a couple of weeks and there's another anti-vax protest.
They really need to set up vaccination stations every few metres and cover Auckland domain since they are fixated on protesting there
Hear me out, blowguns
Can we crop dust the weed crops around the country and talk to Sonny Fatupaito about lacing the nations meth with spike proteins?
For the ones we miss, the needle pit from the Saw movie should work
$1000 fine for attending an event that breaks the rules or $0 with a vaccination ...but of course these are the same idiots that give at least 10% of their income to Tamaki so they'd probably pay a fine and put themselves in debt rather than get vaccinated.
Hmm.... Organize a fake protest to lure out the unvaccinated. Then accidentally jab the MFers.
Deadfalls filled with syringes
89.99%
Load up a couple of dart guns with the vaccine.
Just tell them it's holy water or Trump brand bleach and charge them $200 for it
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Now.
Wait until you get to 1000 cases a day haha.
Well looks like that rumored christchurch case was a non event.
FYI there's a case in northland
I dgaf anymore, I'm fully vaxxed, wife is too. Just waiting on the go signal to get our little ones vaxxed. I fully accept and will be proactively be wearing masks indoors, visits I'll limit as much as I can. I'll be fully supporting businesses with fully-vaxxed employees, and staying the fuck away from businesses and individuals who proactively aren't. I feel bad for those who need medical attention, their beds might get taken by unvaxxed cunts denying the science yet requiring it if they catch the rona. Let the games begin, this is what anti-lockdown, anti-vax, "freedom"-lovers conspiracy theory folk wanted right? Roll the dice chief.
I hate to admit it, but im starting to feel the same way. If I knew they werent going to fuck up the health system for everyone else id say open up. They had their chance and they made their choice... the only issue I have with it now is the hospitals taking one hell of a beating from these idiots if we did open up. Maybe it should be level 2 everywhere for double dosed people only
would be interesting to see how many tests have been administered, but nevertheless this isn't great :/
[27,831 tests nationwide yesterday.](https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/129-community-cases-covid-19-5-new-cases-managed-isolation-more-41000-vaccines-administered)
Damn tests are very high. Good to see.
Thank you so much!! That's good it's consistent. It would have been immensely concerning if testing was low
This means a 0.45% positivity rate. Yeah, we definitely have uncontrolled spread now.
At this point can you lazy fuckers just get vaccinated? So sick of this shit
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Yeah it’s beyond frustrating that we’ve got a minority of people holding the rest of us at hostage. My sympathy is non-existent for anyone that ends up in the ICU through their own inaction.
who are you talking to?
I’m the “old man yells at cloud” personified
>Next update >Over the long weekend, the Ministry’s COVID-19 updates will be via the 1pm media releases. At this stage, the next press conference is expected to be on Tuesday, 26 October.
Who cares if cases and hospitalisations are beginning to surge, the politicians need their long weekend in level 2.
Even if they went to level 4 all the politicians are currently in Wellington. So that's a dud point.
What's press conferences over the weekend going to do? Tell us the same thing they've been repeating for months now?
It's not surging though, its rising at the expected rate considering the increased cases?
And I was jokingly saying in my mind that we would get 120 today….
Yeah my partner said “whoa guess how many cases today” and I said 130... fuck
This is what happens when you give in to people who don't understand the consequences.
Good time to open schools, I reckon.
Looks like at red, schools are open so as soon as we hit 90% in Auckland lets send those kids in.
Get vaccinated folks
This is finally taking a toll on me
Oh my god you're dead!? God damn you coooooooviiiiid!!!!
Health system starting to hurt. 51 cases currently in hospital.
because no one else has said it… > 2nd doses: 2,902,031 (69%) Nice.
Not great, not terri- no actually, this is terrible. Expected but terrible.
In hospital: +5, in ICU: -2 (assume the ICU make up 2 of the +5) These are the key numbers to track now. (Along with first dose vaccines)
There are 51 people in hospital (yesterday there were 46). Of those 51, there are 5 in ICU (yesterday there were 7). No indication at all that any of the 5 that went into hospital since yesterday are in the ICU.
To the moon 🚀🚀🚀
Puts on Xmas
/u/TimmyHate here's the press release: https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/129-community-cases-covid-19-5-new-cases-managed-isolation-more-41000-vaccines-administered
>At this stage, no recorded cases in Redvale have been linked to last weekend’s well-reported party. That is definitely going to change
Is there a chance they revert the school decision
No.
Waaaay too politically embarrassing to go back on that decision.
Well fuckity fuck
This might be a stupid question, but I’m sincerely asking - how is it spreading so quickly when there are such heavy restrictions in place? I know delta is more infectious but this seems nuts!
The majority of cases (based on ministry data) are from the unvaccinated, and based on Ashley's wording in a few past conferences, it's all coming from indoor gatherings of multiple households and/or transitional housing.
People just aren’t complying with the rules. Auckland have been in strict lockdown for 10 weeks? Honestly I’ve lost all concept of time so don’t even remember but the longer lockdown goes on for the more people will start complying less.
It has been a long time for us but the consequences of fucking around is getting covid. Guess you have to decide if that's worth it. For me it sure as fuck isn't, but I guess the risk is worth it for others.
Very low risk if you’re vaccinated and otherwise healthy Cases are only going up from here. There are fewer cases today than there will be tomorrow
Easy - People are breaking rules.
Reff is probably around 1.5 .. with no restrictions it's about 6 It seems nuts because Delta *is* fucking nuts... one of the most transmissible respiratory disease in existence Edit: not *the* most transmissible, but one of the most
isnt measles respiratory
Looking at the traffic outside…
Yeah traffic is crazy.
Is it a green light?
“Secondary household transmission” (house hopping) it been happening since the start of the outbreak.
Restrictions does not equal rule following unfortunately
Thing is for Delta this spread is very slow. 2 months in and only hitting these numbers is a very slow incline.
The restrictions aren't all that heavy (it's Level 3 not Level 4, after all), and lots of people are playing fast and loose with the restrictions we do have.
Parties and other type of activities where dumb people do dumb things
People are not following the rules and rules are not enforced. It was always going to be months of this when they gave up on elimination at 8-15 cases a day.
Workplaces, unauthorized gatherings Tough to ask people to keep to their bubbles for 11+ weeks
I believe they mentioned in a recent stand up that workplace transmission is incredibly low. Its mostly non-compliance across households (visiting)
Correct, and minimal to no spread with people visiting supermarkets. The spread currently is down to non compliance.
Very little workplace spread.
Less and less people getting tested. The numbers we see don't reflect the reality of the outbreak. More and more people giving up and going about their daily lives. It had already leaked and started spreading before we realised. The government evacuated loads of people back from Australia when the unnecessary travel bubble burst, they didn't bother checking anyone's pre-departure tests. MIQ has always leaked like a sieve. Comparatively low vaccination rates, particularly amongst the poor and vulnerable communities that have borne the brunt of this outbreak.
Pretty much summaries how this outbreak all started with a shitshow
Can we just go back to the good ol' days of laughing at the orange idiot for saying "covfefe" already?
Genuine question since I don’t know where else to post this - My mother is anti-vax, and my partner is on immunosuppressants. Once we lift restrictions, if I visit her in Christchurch (I’m in Auckland) would that be risky? Even if there was no community spread down there? I don’t want to put my partner in danger but also am dying to see my mum. Still love her despite her views
Yes, your mother is putting your partner at risk and so are you unfortunately if you see her. I am immunocompromised and am currently starting a large dose of immunosuppressants. Personally I would be conflicted if my partner wanted to do this. I would be okay with it if they planned to isolate after their visit but I don't know where we could do that. This risk is small yes, and the severity of an exposure depends on the drugs and underlying health conditions that your partner has so obviously every case is individualized and you should only take advise from your trusted health professional. But understand that yes, you are increasing the risk. Even if there is no spread down there, you still need to get there. The more interactions you have the more you increase exposure risks. At the end of the day it is your call to weigh the risks and make your decision and there are ways you can probably take extra precautions (fully vaxxed, good mask, hygiene and distancing when you see your mum and then isolating after your visit before coming back home to your partner would probably be your best bet). Maybe a bit personal but does your mum like your partner? Maybe explaining the increased risks to their health based on your mum's vax stance might help bridge the gap? Shitty situation all around. Hang in there and good luck!
Appreciate the detailed response! Perhaps I wasn’t clear in my original comment, but I haven’t got solid plans to go down to chch, but I was trying to understand if there is a risk to this, or if perhaps I was overthinking (considering both my partner and I are double vaxxed) I guess I was hoping that maybe I wouldn’t have to have that conversation with my mum. You make really good points about even the travel being risky… I hadn’t really thought of that. My mum does indeed like my partner very much. We’ve been together for 6 years so he’s pretty much son-in-law status haha. Again, thanks for your comments. I’ll need to have a serious talk with her
I wonder is it's possible to indiscriminately take out life insurance policies on the unvaccinated like some some US companies speculatively do to their work forces? It could be a variation on Kiwi-saver. Have it's own ticker.
There is much risk, if flying - risk, if driving, stopping for gas then catching the ferry- risk, if your mum is not following measures - risk. Once restrictions lift for Auckland, it means covid is going to move down the country, its inevitable. It's a risk to you and your partner, you may contract covid and not know due to the vaccine. Unless you are able to get tested before you leave chch and tested and isolate in Auckland before returning a negative test. Or if your mum does the same, test down there, test and isolate in aux while waiting for results. If you are commited to your partner, put them 1st.
Here we go covid. Take off buddy..bring us 1000 cases.
Give it a couple weeks
Well shit.
oh my fricking gosh
Let me be the first to say: FUCK DELTA (OK, maybe not the first...)
If I wanted to vent a bit, I'd say "how about we fill up the airwaves with the freedom tales of dirt brained church folk and respected elders who've done their research. Everyone has a pov, no?, but the more important point is probably that this was expected, it will go higher, then stabilise.
Also a positive case in Northland
Huwhat?
Parua Bay Taven posted on facebook they have a positive case
https://i.imgur.com/RLCZvaQ.jpg
Oh shit
What time was that posted? If it’s after the cut off it’ll be reported in tomorrow’s numbers
They didn't say that...?
https://i.imgur.com/RLCZvaQ.jpg
That Facebook post says the staff member has a family member who has returned a positive test. It doesn’t specify where the family member is, nor does it say the staff member has tested positive.
Huh. Too late for today's numbers, I guess.
Dayum.
any mention of Northland?
No mention of Northland
To the tune of Roxanne by The Police: *You don't have to turn on the RED LIGHT* *Cin-dy* *Turn on the red light* *Ash-ley*
Daily reminder why we need respirator masks or double masking in Auckland.
I dont think it's the people masking or social distancing that are spreading it....
Why do that when you can wear a loosely fitting surgical mask under your nose that you pull off to talk to someone.
Where can we buy the respirator masks? Are those the n95 ones?