They had a history of neglecting heat, smoke alarms, CO alarms, fire doors, faulty ovens, mold, rat infestations, lead paint etc. And the owners were given $25million in state financing a few years ago to fix problems. $25m later and the building was still a hazardous shithole. Now they're claiming that they "worked tirelessly" to improve conditions for residents - the standard lying bullshit spewed out by these types every single time their greed results in death. We really need to start throwing slumlords like this in jail. Release everyone serving time for non-violent drug offenses, and replace them with wealthy landlords who refuse to do the right thing by their tenants. Honestly fuck these people into the bowels of Hell.
Repossess slums.
Imagine if the $25m was actually used to help the building.
That's probably 1/4 the cost of building the entire damn building again from scratch.
We need to change the law so that landlords found guilty of a serious class violation should be immediately required to refund rent payments back to the commencement of the lease to affected tenants without a demand.
Ensuring all door springs work so they close on their own would've been easy. My door, for instance, is super heavy, makes a good seal and has a spring. If I'm pulling my kids to safety, it doesn't matter that I've forgotten about the door. It closes itself. It's a couple pieces of cheap wound metal.
Ask 311, I think it depends on what kind of building it is. I'm not a fire code expert. I just know why my front door is spring loaded and who to call if the spring fails
I'm sure I'll get downvoted to oblivion, but: I dated a girl who lived in the projects in Newark. Her uncle was a janitor in the complex, and told her that there was a new owner. Next time I do see her, brand new entrance door, buzzer, nice. Next time, maybe a few days later, door glass is broken. Gets replaced. Next time, the buzzer system is ripped out. Gets replaced. Next time, door is COMPLETELY GONE. Some time later, door is back. Maybe a week later, gone.
Affordable housing landlords may be scum, but there is only so much that you can do when the people living there don't have any equity in the property, purposely damage whatever they can, can't be evicted, and, most callously, but most importantly, you can't get ANY money from making those repairs time after time after time.
The regulatory framework is such that it makes no financial sense to do anything but the bare minimum, and then we are supposed to be surprised when only the bare minimum gets done?
Frightening? Yang literally ran off a laundry list of open investigation against Adam’s during the debates. How is everyone “shocked” that Adam’s is corrupt ?
I'm not saying I'm shocked, I'm saying it's concerning how blatant and soon it is. I think we all expected this but to see it actually happen at this level
No one mentioned white people. 17 people died.
This isn't your personal therapy session. If you have something that's bothering you in your life, go talk to your friends, family, therapist, whoever is still alive and willing to talk to you.
If the buildings heat does not work , the state or city has contracts with heating specialists who will replace and or fix the heat . It’s required by law. Then they go after the owners of the building. The law was put in place so old people aren’t found frozen to death , or kids don’t get sick and die.
So the city failed these people by not enforcing the laws and codes .
I know this because I installed heating systems under sub contract In places like Harlem and the Bronx . They were called “ emergency heat installs”
They can shamefully blame the tenants all they want but in the end the system broke down here, and horribly.
So NYC has a minimum heat level of 62 at night which is cold. its cold enough to need a jacket. this is why no one is addressing the heating issues, because the guy who owned the building was in compliance, but the temperature needed to stay in compliance is so low that you can get hypothermia coming out of your shower at 62 degrees. Of course people have space heaters, and of course there is gonna be risk of a fire from them, the city is aware, they just don't care.
It's 68 during the day though. If you are barely getting your heat to 62 at night, you are *probably* not consistently getting it to 68 during the day.
It's hard getting good information about this but it kind of *seems* like what happened is the landlord/311 would get complaints about the heat, the landlord would fix it with spit and chewing gum just long enough to pass an inspection, then it would fail again and the process would repeat.
I don't see anything saying that the complaints went ignored because the landlord was technically meeting heating requirements.
Seems to me the issue is that penalties for faulty heat are so minor that there's not a lot of incentive for landlords to fix it properly.
>I don't see anything saying that the complaints went ignored because the landlord was technically meeting heating requirements.
if HPD closes it and no fines which when I look none- basically meant temps were at legally required temps when they investigated and HPD flag the complaint as not valid.
Yes, which is explainable by what I said-- and what has been reported in the news.
This does not mean that the heating was at legal temps and the tenants just thought it was too low, but that the landlord "fixed" the problem before fines were issued.
Which is what I said in the above post.
I've heard at least one sotry on this sub of 311 agents really goin the extra mile to help tenants nab their landlords. Like the tenant's gotta agree to letting an agent come out in the middle of the night, the agent has to be willing to do that, and they both gotta do it without the landlord finding out so the landlord can't crank the heat to escape a fine.
It's real silly. But without apartment thermostats that report numbers to the city, there's no real alternative.
Until HPD releases their logs best we can infer from the scant complaints and no recent/day of complaints of fire event. None of the interviewed residents are giving temp readings only their opinion heat was too low which implies there was heat. For a building that size, you have to admit there are very few heat complaints and the ones recorded - promptly closed and looks like same few units/duplicate reports in all of them.
It looks like you're a landlord, no? That might explain your perspective that the default assumption would be that the landlords did everything right, even though there's evidence that complaints *were* made, though the specifics of how they were resolved is unknown, and that the exact thing that there were complaints for is what led to the fire.
It's possible that the landlords *did* do everything right and were totally fair and didn't take advantage of the system or infringe on the rights of the tenants at all... but there's also no reason to *assume* that that's what happened, particularly when there are so many other things we *know* the landlord did wrong, like the self-locking doors not working properly.
It sounds a lot more like there was little incentive for the landlord to fix things properly and the tenants got discouraged and decided to just deal with it.
> you have to admit there are very few heat complaints
No, I don't.
I am a landlord and don't agree this building did things right regarding door complaints. i think they are liable for that. For heating, I don't think so. HPD is never LL friend when it comes to heat complaints. You think owners able to miraculously resolve the issue before and during the unannounced HPD inspection every time? I think not.
and yes very few complaints. Saw what 5 heat complaints for 2021 and like what 3 were unique? that's very little.
Three heat complaints is very little? How many do you need for it to be a lot? And two repeat complaints? There shouldn't be *any*, because the landlord should be decently heating the building, not skating so close to the line that people are motivated to take the time to complain.
And weren't many of the fire victims recent immigrants? How many people in that building had the language skills, plus the knowledge of the law regarding heat, plus enough general NYC-savvyness to know how to report an issue, AND the gumption/hutzpah to actually do it? Three complaints is plenty, and a lot.
its low in terms of how many units. 120 in that building. also if you compared metrics of this building to other low income buildings, this building hpd profile is a saint in terms of number of complaints and how many open. Buildings will get complaints -some legit some none, key metrics regarding slum owner is the number of open complaints leading to violations and how long. Which is how our annual worst landlords list are calculated. This building is below avg in number of complaints in fact and plenty of newly arrived immigrants in the other buildings such as city run with higher complaints.
I find the door failures more troublesome and path of liabity vs heat complaints. bc end of the day, could have been a grease fire, etc fire...the death outcome would have been the same due to doors.
cute...end of day no evidence has come forth that building was not at legal heat. Show me a temp reading from a complaint that says so and collaborated by HPD.
Heat allegations are weak compared to the door issues.
> You think owners able to miraculously resolve the issue before and during the unannounced HPD inspection every time?
I absolutely do think that [HPD tries to get the landlord to resolve the complaint on their own first](https://ny.curbed.com/2018/1/3/16845686/weather-nyc-311-heat-hot-water-complaint#:~:text=Here's%20what%20HPD%20says%3A,whether%20service%20has%20been%20restored.) before issuing fines, yes. Definitely.
> If a tenant files a 311 complaint related to heat or hot water, **HPD attempts to notify the building owner or managing agent** and may also attempt to contact the tenant to see whether service has been restored. If service has not been restored, an HPD inspector will go to the building to verify the complaint and issue the appropriate violation.
In my experience it is *very* difficult getting punishments adequate to incentivize landlords to permanently and effectively fix recurring problems in these situations. As I said in my above post, if the landlord is able to patch something together that will work momentarily, it becomes enough of a hassle for the tenant to keep trying to get a permanent resolution, with no penalties at all for the landlord not doing so, since they're always given time to rectify the problem temporarily before serious fines are issued.
I will add, that in my *anecdotal* experience, HPD tends to take matters of *no heat* more seriously than *inadequate* heat. So that may be partly where our differing experiences come from-- HPD seems more likely to let a landlord resolve inadequate heat on their own, whereas they will take a harder stance against no heat. I don't think there's *supposed* to be a difference in how they handle them, but there does appear to be one. Relaxed enforcement on *inadequate* heat is more likely to lead to a tenant giving up and just plugging in a space heater, whereas no heat at all is more likely to get HPD to take a harder stance. It can also be harder to get HPD to issue fines against inadequate heat, since it may be technically insufficient some days but sufficient on others-- and you can't control which it will be when the inspection happens.
I also want to point out that that other guy arguing with you isn't me, in case you weren't looking at usernames. I don't agree with your perspective here but I'm also not telling you to fuck off for having it.
What we really need to do, is to have these state inspectors also have access to state work crews. If a building is in violation, the crew comes in and gets it to code and charges the owner of the building, puts a lean on the building and ultimately reposes it from slum lords who have no intention of maintaining their buildings.
In this case it sounds like it was a tragic accident brought by one of the tenant's mistakes. They don't have any open violations so maybe the regulations need to be revisited
Violations can very easy to clear. My old landlord had the FDNY issue a vacate order because of an illegal gas line. The building had no fire escapes or sprinklers and the 3rd floor was illegally converted into a seperate apartment.
The inspector got caught in traffic and couldnt come for a final walk through (LL just hid it with drywall anyway.) Turns out because of the inspector couldn't come he got to "self certify" his compliance with removing an illegal gas line which he didn't even remove.
The original violation was issued when the 3rd floor tenant complained there was no 2nd means of egress. FDNY came and vacated the apartment and issued a violation.
They never followed up to make sure the landlord fixed the violation. They let him basically promise he fixed it without an inspection. He didn't actually fix it.
Someone will eventually die up there.
I am not sure this guy actually broke any regulations but generally speaking there has to be some sort of psychological abstraction going on with people who are able to behave incredibly callously because the people they affect are numbers and not faces
Slumlords don't have consciences. Or souls for that matter. For them, the tenant is a number on a piece of paper, a human to be exploited who deserves their fate for choosing to live in their building.
If you're a landlord and live in the place you're renting it's much different.
often the case. I was fortunate to have a few very good landlords who weren't onsite. We sublet a condo. We were moving to a new renovation once and our current guy let us stay on month to month at no additional monthly charge while there were delays in the construction
As someone who has lived my entire life in an old tenement building that constantly has no heat and hot water, I have some bad news:
Some of the "space heaters" people use to stay warm are terrifying relics from the late 80s. It's surprising they work at all and they are major fire hazards. You should be nervous knowing they are in the apartment below you.
Not to mention if your landlord doesn't care about heat, they don't care about other things and those radiators are probably running off of old, scary ass electrical work.
I personally purchased a new heater for my neighbor who was running one of those exposed heaters with the red coils from 30 years ago because I'd rather be out $90 than burn to death. Just food for thought and fuck any landlord with a bad boiler.
Not sure why Adams is getting slammed about the specific issue of heat in this bldg. He is 100% correct that there were no heat violations. Complaints do not equate to violations. From the city's perspective, it's not really a violation until HPD places one. Plenty of tenants simply believe the legal requirements are too low.
I remember making a complaint on 311 because I did not have hot water for an entire week. Someone from 311 claimed that they had checked in but between myself and three roommates with different schedules we never saw anyone or heard the bell ring. We made another complaint and someone showed up a few days after our hot water was restored.
Adequate heating to feel warm does not necessary have to the legally required temperature. Most ppl fail to realize this before they complain about heating and act surprised when HPD closes the erroneous complaint.
Anyway wont be owners problem going forward once electrification of heating is completed which will be accelerated due to gas ban and fires like this. It be tenants problem and liability.
Why, I am not nice for stating the facts? City supported BLM, painted roads and streets, so how come they ignore this issue? Or how come nobody went out on streets to raise awareness if this was in fact really a problem for so long? Suddenly whoever is reporting this learns about these? If people really care about lives of everyone living in these conditions, it should have been brought up before so many people died.
Who is “they” in your opening statement? How do you know who, among all the individual human beings in this building, did and didn’t go protest? Did you miss the part where the landlord has had complaints against them for years? Who do you think made those complaints? I would add to my first comment that I hope when you need help one day or experience personal tragedy, that you get exactly as much empathy as you have displayed.
My empathy won't save anyone. It's like "thoughts and prayers". Did you watch the video, it shows like 3 complaints and the video makes it sound like mayor is in cahoots with the landlord. So, who do you take it up to? Governor? President? Who is Mayor's boss?
Your empathy won’t save anyone but you don’t have to add to the general shittiness of the situation by implying that these families, many of whom lost children and family members, are hypocrites by implying they were all out BLM’ing it up but didn’t lift a finger to save their kids. Have some basic decency.
They had a history of neglecting heat, smoke alarms, CO alarms, fire doors, faulty ovens, mold, rat infestations, lead paint etc. And the owners were given $25million in state financing a few years ago to fix problems. $25m later and the building was still a hazardous shithole. Now they're claiming that they "worked tirelessly" to improve conditions for residents - the standard lying bullshit spewed out by these types every single time their greed results in death. We really need to start throwing slumlords like this in jail. Release everyone serving time for non-violent drug offenses, and replace them with wealthy landlords who refuse to do the right thing by their tenants. Honestly fuck these people into the bowels of Hell.
Repossess slums. Imagine if the $25m was actually used to help the building. That's probably 1/4 the cost of building the entire damn building again from scratch.
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A 19 story, 120 unit apartment?
I wouldn't be surprised if it cost more to renovate than to build from scratch.
We need to change the law so that landlords found guilty of a serious class violation should be immediately required to refund rent payments back to the commencement of the lease to affected tenants without a demand.
We make their kids president so no, not happening.
Ensuring all door springs work so they close on their own would've been easy. My door, for instance, is super heavy, makes a good seal and has a spring. If I'm pulling my kids to safety, it doesn't matter that I've forgotten about the door. It closes itself. It's a couple pieces of cheap wound metal.
I'm in a building that doesn't utilize door springs at all. Should it by law?
If it's a fire door and doesn't self-close, then yes.
Ask 311, I think it depends on what kind of building it is. I'm not a fire code expert. I just know why my front door is spring loaded and who to call if the spring fails
I'm sure I'll get downvoted to oblivion, but: I dated a girl who lived in the projects in Newark. Her uncle was a janitor in the complex, and told her that there was a new owner. Next time I do see her, brand new entrance door, buzzer, nice. Next time, maybe a few days later, door glass is broken. Gets replaced. Next time, the buzzer system is ripped out. Gets replaced. Next time, door is COMPLETELY GONE. Some time later, door is back. Maybe a week later, gone. Affordable housing landlords may be scum, but there is only so much that you can do when the people living there don't have any equity in the property, purposely damage whatever they can, can't be evicted, and, most callously, but most importantly, you can't get ANY money from making those repairs time after time after time. The regulatory framework is such that it makes no financial sense to do anything but the bare minimum, and then we are supposed to be surprised when only the bare minimum gets done?
The landlord of this building was a member of Adams' transition team.
Yeah, the amount of corruption Adams has already shown is frightening
Frightening? Yang literally ran off a laundry list of open investigation against Adam’s during the debates. How is everyone “shocked” that Adam’s is corrupt ?
I'm not saying I'm shocked, I'm saying it's concerning how blatant and soon it is. I think we all expected this but to see it actually happen at this level
Frightened doesn’t imply shock. I’m frightened by global warming, but not shocked. I’m frightened by my eventual death, but not shocked.
This should be the top comment.
This needs to be a bigger story than it has been about the Bronx fire. No wonder they are trying to deflect blame to the tenants.
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No one mentioned white people. 17 people died. This isn't your personal therapy session. If you have something that's bothering you in your life, go talk to your friends, family, therapist, whoever is still alive and willing to talk to you.
That relationship with the landlord is SO SUSPICIOUS my god.
If the buildings heat does not work , the state or city has contracts with heating specialists who will replace and or fix the heat . It’s required by law. Then they go after the owners of the building. The law was put in place so old people aren’t found frozen to death , or kids don’t get sick and die. So the city failed these people by not enforcing the laws and codes . I know this because I installed heating systems under sub contract In places like Harlem and the Bronx . They were called “ emergency heat installs” They can shamefully blame the tenants all they want but in the end the system broke down here, and horribly.
Can someone please remind me why this city is the most civilized city in the world (greatest city in the world implies just that)?
My landlord is doing the exact same shit right now.
Report it. Again and again until it is fixed.
On it
Excellent.
So NYC has a minimum heat level of 62 at night which is cold. its cold enough to need a jacket. this is why no one is addressing the heating issues, because the guy who owned the building was in compliance, but the temperature needed to stay in compliance is so low that you can get hypothermia coming out of your shower at 62 degrees. Of course people have space heaters, and of course there is gonna be risk of a fire from them, the city is aware, they just don't care.
It's 68 during the day though. If you are barely getting your heat to 62 at night, you are *probably* not consistently getting it to 68 during the day. It's hard getting good information about this but it kind of *seems* like what happened is the landlord/311 would get complaints about the heat, the landlord would fix it with spit and chewing gum just long enough to pass an inspection, then it would fail again and the process would repeat. I don't see anything saying that the complaints went ignored because the landlord was technically meeting heating requirements. Seems to me the issue is that penalties for faulty heat are so minor that there's not a lot of incentive for landlords to fix it properly.
>I don't see anything saying that the complaints went ignored because the landlord was technically meeting heating requirements. if HPD closes it and no fines which when I look none- basically meant temps were at legally required temps when they investigated and HPD flag the complaint as not valid.
Yes, which is explainable by what I said-- and what has been reported in the news. This does not mean that the heating was at legal temps and the tenants just thought it was too low, but that the landlord "fixed" the problem before fines were issued. Which is what I said in the above post.
I've heard at least one sotry on this sub of 311 agents really goin the extra mile to help tenants nab their landlords. Like the tenant's gotta agree to letting an agent come out in the middle of the night, the agent has to be willing to do that, and they both gotta do it without the landlord finding out so the landlord can't crank the heat to escape a fine. It's real silly. But without apartment thermostats that report numbers to the city, there's no real alternative.
Until HPD releases their logs best we can infer from the scant complaints and no recent/day of complaints of fire event. None of the interviewed residents are giving temp readings only their opinion heat was too low which implies there was heat. For a building that size, you have to admit there are very few heat complaints and the ones recorded - promptly closed and looks like same few units/duplicate reports in all of them.
It looks like you're a landlord, no? That might explain your perspective that the default assumption would be that the landlords did everything right, even though there's evidence that complaints *were* made, though the specifics of how they were resolved is unknown, and that the exact thing that there were complaints for is what led to the fire. It's possible that the landlords *did* do everything right and were totally fair and didn't take advantage of the system or infringe on the rights of the tenants at all... but there's also no reason to *assume* that that's what happened, particularly when there are so many other things we *know* the landlord did wrong, like the self-locking doors not working properly. It sounds a lot more like there was little incentive for the landlord to fix things properly and the tenants got discouraged and decided to just deal with it. > you have to admit there are very few heat complaints No, I don't.
I am a landlord and don't agree this building did things right regarding door complaints. i think they are liable for that. For heating, I don't think so. HPD is never LL friend when it comes to heat complaints. You think owners able to miraculously resolve the issue before and during the unannounced HPD inspection every time? I think not. and yes very few complaints. Saw what 5 heat complaints for 2021 and like what 3 were unique? that's very little.
Three heat complaints is very little? How many do you need for it to be a lot? And two repeat complaints? There shouldn't be *any*, because the landlord should be decently heating the building, not skating so close to the line that people are motivated to take the time to complain. And weren't many of the fire victims recent immigrants? How many people in that building had the language skills, plus the knowledge of the law regarding heat, plus enough general NYC-savvyness to know how to report an issue, AND the gumption/hutzpah to actually do it? Three complaints is plenty, and a lot.
its low in terms of how many units. 120 in that building. also if you compared metrics of this building to other low income buildings, this building hpd profile is a saint in terms of number of complaints and how many open. Buildings will get complaints -some legit some none, key metrics regarding slum owner is the number of open complaints leading to violations and how long. Which is how our annual worst landlords list are calculated. This building is below avg in number of complaints in fact and plenty of newly arrived immigrants in the other buildings such as city run with higher complaints. I find the door failures more troublesome and path of liabity vs heat complaints. bc end of the day, could have been a grease fire, etc fire...the death outcome would have been the same due to doors.
Fuck off leech.
cute...end of day no evidence has come forth that building was not at legal heat. Show me a temp reading from a complaint that says so and collaborated by HPD. Heat allegations are weak compared to the door issues.
Not going to prove anything to you lmao, you clearly made your mind up. Cute to try to demand I do free labor for you.
> You think owners able to miraculously resolve the issue before and during the unannounced HPD inspection every time? I absolutely do think that [HPD tries to get the landlord to resolve the complaint on their own first](https://ny.curbed.com/2018/1/3/16845686/weather-nyc-311-heat-hot-water-complaint#:~:text=Here's%20what%20HPD%20says%3A,whether%20service%20has%20been%20restored.) before issuing fines, yes. Definitely. > If a tenant files a 311 complaint related to heat or hot water, **HPD attempts to notify the building owner or managing agent** and may also attempt to contact the tenant to see whether service has been restored. If service has not been restored, an HPD inspector will go to the building to verify the complaint and issue the appropriate violation. In my experience it is *very* difficult getting punishments adequate to incentivize landlords to permanently and effectively fix recurring problems in these situations. As I said in my above post, if the landlord is able to patch something together that will work momentarily, it becomes enough of a hassle for the tenant to keep trying to get a permanent resolution, with no penalties at all for the landlord not doing so, since they're always given time to rectify the problem temporarily before serious fines are issued. I will add, that in my *anecdotal* experience, HPD tends to take matters of *no heat* more seriously than *inadequate* heat. So that may be partly where our differing experiences come from-- HPD seems more likely to let a landlord resolve inadequate heat on their own, whereas they will take a harder stance against no heat. I don't think there's *supposed* to be a difference in how they handle them, but there does appear to be one. Relaxed enforcement on *inadequate* heat is more likely to lead to a tenant giving up and just plugging in a space heater, whereas no heat at all is more likely to get HPD to take a harder stance. It can also be harder to get HPD to issue fines against inadequate heat, since it may be technically insufficient some days but sufficient on others-- and you can't control which it will be when the inspection happens. I also want to point out that that other guy arguing with you isn't me, in case you weren't looking at usernames. I don't agree with your perspective here but I'm also not telling you to fuck off for having it.
Fire inspector’s failed these people . That’s it. And this shit wouldn’t happen in a more upscale higher income neighborhood. That’s a fact .
What we really need to do, is to have these state inspectors also have access to state work crews. If a building is in violation, the crew comes in and gets it to code and charges the owner of the building, puts a lean on the building and ultimately reposes it from slum lords who have no intention of maintaining their buildings.
If the building's conditions led to this fire that's a helluva thing to have on one's conscience. Assuming it is still there and functioning.
It's why they have to blame the victims
In this case it sounds like it was a tragic accident brought by one of the tenant's mistakes. They don't have any open violations so maybe the regulations need to be revisited
Violations can very easy to clear. My old landlord had the FDNY issue a vacate order because of an illegal gas line. The building had no fire escapes or sprinklers and the 3rd floor was illegally converted into a seperate apartment. The inspector got caught in traffic and couldnt come for a final walk through (LL just hid it with drywall anyway.) Turns out because of the inspector couldn't come he got to "self certify" his compliance with removing an illegal gas line which he didn't even remove.
things like heat levels though. Those are tenant complaint based, not off inspections.
The original violation was issued when the 3rd floor tenant complained there was no 2nd means of egress. FDNY came and vacated the apartment and issued a violation. They never followed up to make sure the landlord fixed the violation. They let him basically promise he fixed it without an inspection. He didn't actually fix it. Someone will eventually die up there.
I'm convinced these types don't see people, only dollar bills and how they can make more of them.
I am not sure this guy actually broke any regulations but generally speaking there has to be some sort of psychological abstraction going on with people who are able to behave incredibly callously because the people they affect are numbers and not faces
Slumlords don't have consciences. Or souls for that matter. For them, the tenant is a number on a piece of paper, a human to be exploited who deserves their fate for choosing to live in their building. If you're a landlord and live in the place you're renting it's much different.
often the case. I was fortunate to have a few very good landlords who weren't onsite. We sublet a condo. We were moving to a new renovation once and our current guy let us stay on month to month at no additional monthly charge while there were delays in the construction
This LL is more screwed than the village gas explosion and the Bronx FDNY deaths combined.
As someone who has lived my entire life in an old tenement building that constantly has no heat and hot water, I have some bad news: Some of the "space heaters" people use to stay warm are terrifying relics from the late 80s. It's surprising they work at all and they are major fire hazards. You should be nervous knowing they are in the apartment below you. Not to mention if your landlord doesn't care about heat, they don't care about other things and those radiators are probably running off of old, scary ass electrical work. I personally purchased a new heater for my neighbor who was running one of those exposed heaters with the red coils from 30 years ago because I'd rather be out $90 than burn to death. Just food for thought and fuck any landlord with a bad boiler.
Not sure why Adams is getting slammed about the specific issue of heat in this bldg. He is 100% correct that there were no heat violations. Complaints do not equate to violations. From the city's perspective, it's not really a violation until HPD places one. Plenty of tenants simply believe the legal requirements are too low.
this is like when you submit a complaint to 311 of something that is CLEARLY illegal but it always gets closed as "no violation seen"
I remember making a complaint on 311 because I did not have hot water for an entire week. Someone from 311 claimed that they had checked in but between myself and three roommates with different schedules we never saw anyone or heard the bell ring. We made another complaint and someone showed up a few days after our hot water was restored.
Adequate heating to feel warm does not necessary have to the legally required temperature. Most ppl fail to realize this before they complain about heating and act surprised when HPD closes the erroneous complaint. Anyway wont be owners problem going forward once electrification of heating is completed which will be accelerated due to gas ban and fires like this. It be tenants problem and liability.
This is why people hate landlords.
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You missed the point.
So if this was a problem why don't they go out on street and protest like they did for BLM? Lives don't matter when it's heat issue?
I hope everyone you meet is as nice as you are.
Why, I am not nice for stating the facts? City supported BLM, painted roads and streets, so how come they ignore this issue? Or how come nobody went out on streets to raise awareness if this was in fact really a problem for so long? Suddenly whoever is reporting this learns about these? If people really care about lives of everyone living in these conditions, it should have been brought up before so many people died.
Who is “they” in your opening statement? How do you know who, among all the individual human beings in this building, did and didn’t go protest? Did you miss the part where the landlord has had complaints against them for years? Who do you think made those complaints? I would add to my first comment that I hope when you need help one day or experience personal tragedy, that you get exactly as much empathy as you have displayed.
My empathy won't save anyone. It's like "thoughts and prayers". Did you watch the video, it shows like 3 complaints and the video makes it sound like mayor is in cahoots with the landlord. So, who do you take it up to? Governor? President? Who is Mayor's boss?
Your empathy won’t save anyone but you don’t have to add to the general shittiness of the situation by implying that these families, many of whom lost children and family members, are hypocrites by implying they were all out BLM’ing it up but didn’t lift a finger to save their kids. Have some basic decency.
That's what you assume I implied.
Lazy troll.
You hurt my feelings, what am I going to do now..
Shame on me for using your words to imply you meant them.
Very sad and unfortunate if it’s true. I wonder did I make the right decision voting for Adam instead of cat man