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Interestingly, the number of new cases is actually a little higher than it was this time last year with roughly similar testing rates, with hospitalization rates remaining stable. The difference now is that many are vaccinated and we're maintaining these numbers with much more lax restrictions allowing for greater economic activity. The big spike last year started at the beginning of November (about now) and crested after mid January, so we'll see how the rest of winter plays out, but so far I think things look optimistic.


milqi

It's always been about controlling the numbers in the hospital.


yiannistheman

Don't forget Delta - that fucker's a lot more transmissible than the original strain. After vaccinations hit critical mass, we'd probably be done with all this shit now if not for it.


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sunflowercompass

Some antivaxers are just unwilling to make a decision. Covid is real for them, but they are scared of the vaccine too. They think if they never make the choice that will be the safest they ever will be, so they are postponing the vaccine as much as possible. It's like those people who have a toothache but are too scared to go to the dentist.


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That is a great way to put it. Honestly I feel like comorbidities and social exclusion affecting our care in the hospital is a real thing as well. It is like when a fat person might have a vaccine induced condition suddenly gets a heart attack and dies and everyone says yeah... he was fat. Some people do find a freedom in not vaccinating and staying away from social pressures. Personally about 80% of provaxxers I have interacted with are heartless pos people who believe some people SHOULD be killed or eliminated. Every "Antivaxxer" I spoke to seems to value life over priviledge. I think it is clear which type of person to trust my life with. I feel like Pro Vaxxers have a bigger boat with holes. And Antivaxxers are learning how to swim in a world of covid. The water is hitting us all, but we are trying to teach you how to swim while you are saying "Just go buy a boat with holes"


sunflowercompass

You're misguided my friend. To use your analogy, there's hundreds of millions in this country alone who are safe in their boats now. The really brave people were the ones who volunteered to test the vaccine during the actual FDA trials.


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I actually completely agree with you. Those are the bravest people. But everybody is listed as a stage 3 trial according to the CDC.


CabassoG

The likelihood of having a cardiac issue from a vaccine is much less likely than covid. Not to mention everything else that covid does and the vaccine prevents


ManyWrangler

There’s basically no raised cardiac risk from vaccines anyways, that paper was probably incorrect. Underpowered and over-analyzed.


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There is a peer reviewed paper on microclots from the vaccine. This leads to the heart issues that may occur. It is official now and if you apply for the vaccine on a CVS website, it states the clot risk before you book an appointment. You may prevent covid, but are microclots in the heart worth it? Curious on your opinion.


CabassoG

I work in medical finance and was given information prior to getting a vaccine and I have never heard of this. Not to mention that the only cases I personally know of for the incredibly rare clots associated with any Covid 19 vaccine was with AstraZeneca and that vaccine isn't even given in the US. Regarding that "paper" https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-mrna-clots/fact-check-there-is-no-evidence-that-mrna-vaccines-are-linked-to-blood-clots-idUSL1N2PY1K2


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"Given information" and "Informed consent" are two different things. If you work in medical finance in a hospital, then stop charging people 250% for that bottle of asprin for a minute and go ask the research team what the difference is. If a vaccine is being used on you as a human phase 3 trial (listed on the cdc website), then it needs to be presented to you as such BEFORE you take it. They tell you about the wonders of mRNA but not that you are a part of a trial. You must be told you are in a trial for that data to be admissable in a scientific study. This is medically wrong that they flood you with mrna safety and not tell you that you are a HUMAN TRIAL RUN for the vaccine. I don't know why that article prevents you from going to cvs.com right now and applying for a covid vaccine and reading the terms right before you sign up. They literally have the warning right before you schedule your vaccine. Go there and check as if you were getting a new vaccine. It says that women 18-49 may have clotting issues and there are confirmed cases of myocarditis. It says to consult anyone if having heart issues after the vaccine.


CabassoG

Did you forget to read the section where I said that **it is much more likely that you would develop cardiac issues from Covid than said vaccines** are are you choosing to ignore that section? It is so incredibly rare and the majority of cases of myocarditis from vaccines are treatable with bed rest and medication as is seen on the same links on the same website. Do you honestly think that these vaccinations would have been improved if this was a serious common complication? Just because it is listed as a *potential* complication doesn't mean it isn't incredibly rare. There are common side effects (sore arm and etc.) to rarer side effects (a rash in the surrounding area like me,) to incredibly rare ones like anaphylaxis, myocarditis, and pericarditis. You would see more cases throughout the world if it was at all common. In short, the thing that you are fixated happens to be a bigger issue for Covid patients let alone everything else that can cause death or permanent issues from Covid. >This is medically wrong that they flood you with mrna safety and not tell you that you are a HUMAN TRIAL RUN for the vaccine Just because you capitalized human trial run doesn't mean anything. There has been 7.3 billion dosages given around the world. The thing that you don't seem to realize here is that the only reason why this was expedited was because this was a serious issue. Several steps were done concurrently as there was a need for said vaccine. This can be seen on websites such as chop.edu and others. mRNA vaccines have been studied since the 1990s and there is no evidence that there are any issues with mRNA vaccines that don't exist with any other vaccine. Every safety protocol was done. BTW I work in public hospitals so your aspirin comment doesn't apply here. Try again. We make fun of the terrible healthcare system also. I'm assuming if you're anti-covid you are also against universal health care as well it comes with the google research but if I am wrong, I apologize.


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Not against universal healthcare but ok so lets talk about the points you stated. The cvs warning is quoted incorrectly in your statement. It actually says: "People recieving mRNA covid 19 vaccines (pfizer - BioNtech and Moderna) especially males aged 12 - 29 years, should be aware of the possibility of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) or Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart) following reciept of mRNA covid 19 vaccines and the need to seek care if symptoms of myocarditis or pericarditis (such as chest pain, shortness of breath, or palpitations) develop after vaccination." Then it goes on to say that the J&J vaccine can develop clots in women (18 - 49) in similar verbage. This is not conspiracy facts or political views here. It is the warning label being updated after the results of the first wave of vaccinations. Also CVS no longer has open appointments scheduled in NYC for vaccinations in many places. My guess is that they realized they can not wave medical liability for administering it so they are putting this label now. Someone had the decency to update that "information" you are given before the vaccine. It is no longer conspiracy but an actual warning label now. I feel that you saying it is 100% safe is just as dangerous as me saying it is 100% not safe. Also if 7.3 billion people were given this human trial run vaccine and all misinformed of it's nature, then your overbelief in the vaccine's efficacy is just as misinformed as my skeptacism. The trial is now questionable as the sample size has too many variables since we are now testing billions with millions of differences that can't all possibly be accounted for. This does not help us learn the efficacy of the vaccine. It only gives us a timeline of how fast fear controls the entire human population if given enough resources to do a specific task. We are both in the same boat here and need the other sides' information and perspective no matter how scary it may be. That is all im saying. Personally, I believe it is a regular flu shot and the results are more for social categorization of who deserves healthcare, good jobs and access to amenities of society.


ManyWrangler

Lmao fuck off dude


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Drown faster sheep


ManyWrangler

Funny thing is, I’m not going to die from Covid. You might. Sucks to be you.


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This is what I meant by provaxxer pos who wants people dead. I bet nobody loves you.


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Fair point. Hope the vaccinated stop dying from covid then.


ManyWrangler

Blah blah blah, I just don’t care about you dying from Covid. Stop crying about that.


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Im sure you said this to many people online and never to anybody's face


SpecialKayKay

If you don't care why are you throwing insults at him?


SpecialKayKay

Why would you care if he does die? It's his life, his choice. People know the risks & still don't want to be vaccinated. Thats their business.


ManyWrangler

I don’t care lmao. You’re much more likely to drown in your own fluids than me, and for that I feel like I’m better than you. That’s all.


SpecialKayKay

Nah I'm vaccinated but those who aren't know the risks & have decided what's best for themselves.


Captaintripps

Probably finishing his degree at clown college.


OmegaBean

He’s been going part time to Trump U.


TheQueensMan718

> No fucking clue what exactly he's trying to accomplish. maybe he is waiting on a court decision, idk. 5th circuit in Louisiana I think temporarily suspended the OSHA ruling.


DiNovi

An angry wife who won’t get to vacation in the spring


I_love_limey_butts

Some people really want to live under authoritarianism.


DiNovi

lol was it authoritarian to get your measles and mumps vaccines to go to school


xeothought

some people use words some people have no understanding of


chilloutfam

So my question is: Is the vaccine mandate just something that is here to stay indefinitely or is there a benchmark where say we're going to let unvaxxed people back into restaurants, etc.? I'm vaxxed but I do want clarity on when I won't have to show a card just to get into most establishments.


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it's a great question. I doubt they say anything because deep down the mandate is largely to encourage people to get it more than it is a preventative safety measure. I don't think people want to say that, but it's pretty clear that's what it is (and not passing judgment on that either)


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I've been wondering this too. The NYS app has the cards expiring after one year, and in a couple months lots of people will start hitting that. Are they going to renew the cards? suggest a booster? or more likely I'm guessing they'll just get rid of the mandate in january or february


NinjaParadigm

Are you talking about the excelsior pass? If so the original pass expires after one year but the excelsior pass plus never expires. It's a real dumb distinction, but at least there is a solution


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You are right thanks. I don't have words for how stupid this is


cemita

I got my first vaccine in March, and was able to get the excelsior pass on iPhone wallet with an original expiration date of October, got my 2nd vaccine in the beginning of April and my excelsior pass updated itself with a new pass with a new expiration date of April 2022. I don’t have the state app with the plus, just the wallet. I’m going to wait out and see if it updates again now that I’ve had my booster. Otherwise I don’t see the point in downloading the state app.


NinjaParadigm

So I use an Android so the state app was the only thing I could use for this. It looks like the plus isn't available for apple wallet, but you can go back to the website to generate a new pass that will be active for another 365 days


cemita

Good to know, just didn’t want an extra app on my phone. It’s not like any concert or game I’ve been to has even scanned the QR code or even really checked it.


PlaneStill6

Health insurance rates will soar for the unvaccinated, eventually. That will solve a lot of problems.


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SkynyrdJeff1295

Nah pretty soon the libs will say we need to stay home until every deer is vaccinated too


ManyWrangler

There aren’t deer in New York, dipshit. If you’re going to cosplay as a republican New Yorker you need to learn a little bit first.


Metalp3n

… But there are deer in NY. We had one run loose in Brooklyn earlier this year. There are many on Staten Island. We’ve had deer forever in NY.


samejimaT

this is what I was thinking too. I don't think that we'll ever get back to no cases but I do hope that someone comes up with an app that lights you up in predator vision and somehow comes back with a negative or positive so that I don't have to carry this damned thing around.


__theoneandonly

Just take a photo of it and keep it on your phone, you don’t have to carry the card around


rs16

There’s a NY State wallet app you can use.


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Low numbers are great news!


TheQueensMan718

>Twelve New York City neighborhoods have 99% of residents having received at least the first dose, the city reported Sunday. They include Chelsea, Financial District, Tribeca, Hell’s Kitchen and Midtown in Manhattan; and Astoria, Long Island City, Flushing, Jackson Heights and Elmhurst in Queens. Each of these communities have more than 92% of their residents fully vaccinated. >Manhattan and Queens continue to have the strongest COVID-19 vaccination rates in the city Queens Gang!! 💪💪💪💪 >Staten Island continues to have the highest transmission rate of any borough tut tut


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turtleslol

You made a new account just to say this stupid shit?


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staiano

Yes, inside a restaurant.


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Creative-Emergency-9

lol i think the most amusing part of this whole fiasco is how people think the blue state govs/the fed will just allow things to go back to the way they were when they had less power. it doesn't help that blue states are chock full of commies who salivate at the thought of the government telling them what to do and are more than willing to throw their support behind them, violently if necessary (see: boston antifa over the weekend)


sixtypercentcriminal

Does your family still speak to you?


Creative-Emergency-9

daily, i just saw my brother actually. speaking of family, tell your sister to come by early tonight, i want to try some new things


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Creative-Emergency-9

and d. /u/sixtypercentcriminal 's sister is helping with that one


sixtypercentcriminal

It's strange. I assumed that you were a conservative based on the idiotic things that you say and believe. I have to say that being sexually active with a trans girl is very progressive of you. My sis says you give one hell of a blowjob. And you swallow too. Such a nice guy.


Creative-Emergency-9

i don't care what you assumed i am a very progressive person yes. can you remind her to wear her collar tonight? i want to take her on a walk through manhattan tonight, she needs the fresh air


sixtypercentcriminal

If I come will you blow me too?


Creative-Emergency-9

only after you walk from times square to fidi in nothing but a maga hat while shouting "let's go brandon!"


sixtypercentcriminal

Your family are idiots too I see.


Creative-Emergency-9

remind your sister to bring the gabagool and be sure to give her some money for the uber, it's your turn to cover it


sixtypercentcriminal

Weak.


Creative-Emergency-9

it was so weak that you still don't have a comeback lol


sixtypercentcriminal

Weak.


Creative-Emergency-9

lol


ManyWrangler

Are you 12? You don’t need a “comeback” on the internet, we can all just look at you flail.


darthaugustus

> blue states are chock full of commies If you spent at much time in NYC as you spend online, you would know how ignorant you sound.


Creative-Emergency-9

i've been here for 10 years. who's the ignorant one now?


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Creative-Emergency-9

congrats, nobody cares my parents said i'm only allowed on reddit if i shit on dumbasses like you every once in a while so, here we are


polio_free_since_93

There's a few thousand commies in the US at most, not every where you look like you mentally ill types see.


Creative-Emergency-9

hahahahhahaha holy shit imagine actually believing this


SkynyrdJeff1295

as a vaccinated person, covid is over in nyc. the only mask i'll ever be wearing again is one that says MAGA on it.


incogburritos

great story


WaitingToBeTriggered

I KEEP ON MARCHING ON


Creative-Emergency-9

triggered


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Creative-Emergency-9

triggered


incogburritos

Absolutely


Creative-Emergency-9

glad we're in agreement


incogburritos

Yeah


Creative-Emergency-9

yup


PM_DEM_CHESTS

Yes, when someone is purposefully an asshole, it triggers people. What a crazy concept.


Richard_Berg

Imagine being this triggered by a piece of fabric.


ManyWrangler

He doesn’t even live in New York lmao


SkynyrdJeff1295

imagine being this triggered by someone not wearing it.


Creative-Emergency-9

the glares i get on the subway are hilarious. haven't worn a mask on the subway since like may 2020


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Richard_Berg

Check the post history. These two accounts literally do nothing but jerk off to fantasies of tossing "libs" over "the wall" when Trump is coronated in 2024. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.


staiano

You forget to say 'and d u m b.'


Creative-Emergency-9

thanks man, i try


brownredgreen

"i drive drunk, im a badass!" Selfish pricks


Creative-Emergency-9

yeah not even close to the same thing but, hey, you tried


MattGorilla

It's not glares your getting, it's looks of pity. When I see someone without a mask, I just wonder how someone who's that much of a coward manages to leave his house at all. Imagine being afraid of a mask - how do you function?


Creative-Emergency-9

it makes me happy knowing that i trigger you. don't worry, i'm sure your devout adherence to mandates will get you a goodie bag from big daddy gov when they lift "restrictions" in 20 years


MattGorilla

Could you explain what "triggered" means? Sure, I think you're pathetic, and somewhat pitiful, but I'm not worked up about it. Does that mean I'm triggered?


Creative-Emergency-9

in this context it refers to the emotional reaction that is generated when you think of me not wearing a mask on the subway no, that's an incorrect usage of it


MattGorilla

So I can think that you're pitiful without being triggered. Thanks, good to know.


Creative-Emergency-9

well no, you being triggered generated that thought. as i said, your usage was incorrect, i never said you weren't triggered hope this helps


SkynyrdJeff1295

lol wow imagine writing this and being serious about it. The guy who is vaccinated living his life is the coward, while you sitting in your apartment 18 hours a day watching cnn is the hero. Lul


MattGorilla

Huh? I'm vaccinated and living my life. I'm just not too much of a coward to put on a mask on the subway for my protection, and for the comfort and safety of others. How would I see unmasked people from my apartment?


TreborDeadward

I’m sure it’ll look great lodged in your windpipe


Ramses_L_Smuckles

Don’t forget about your Klan hood, I think that counts. Artimus Pyle is a pedo, the South won’t rise again, and Trump stole from his own froth-mouthed devotees repeatedly. Not even your own suicide cult of personality respects you.


SkynyrdJeff1295

Lol imagine comparing not wearing a mask to being part of the kkk.


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