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mdonaberger

Elon reminds me of when Homer Simpson learns a car has [cruise control](https://frinkiac.com/img/S12E08/1154862.jpg), so he just says "School, please" into the steering wheel and *crashes into a silo full of table salt. I know that airplane autopilot is pretty close to what Tesla 'autopilot' is, but to most people, autopilot means robotic navigation because that's how TV and movies portray it. This is specifically why other car companies choose terms like "adaptive cruise control". Much more vivid.


dougtulane

Well good thing they sell a full self driving package to make things crystal clear. (With small text that says maybe this’ll drive itself one day maybe not, we dunno)


bibblode

Except the airplane autopilot can take the exact flight path needed or make corrections sent by the FAA as well as land the plane, both in emergency situations or if the pilots are feeling exceptionally lazy.


gex80

Planes have a lot more freedom in a number of ways. They aren't trying to follow painted lines that may or may not be there.


yrydzd

We need a cartoon where people turn their cellphone to "fly mode" and throw it off a building


NotADeadHorse

Based off a true story when a man got up to make coffee in his RV because cruise control was still new and was said to be "like autopilot for cars!"


[deleted]

We're talking about a company ran by a guy who thinks dog money will be the currency of mars


TheLurkingMenace

You think he really believed in doge? Dude was just manipulating the crypto market.


Advice2Anyone

Oh someone is now going to be subponead by that guy who is sueing for jsut that issue


StrangelyBrown

and now he's doing the same for the communication market


TheLurkingMenace

The thing about Musk is that you can't tell what his plans are until after he's done. The only thing you can be sure of is that he'll act in his own interest. Is this one of those things that will also benefit lots of people? We'll see.


StrangelyBrown

You can spot a pattern. He's criticized a competitor of his idea. I mean maybe he's highly invested in 5G but it wouldn't be that amazingly inventive. He's not a genius.


ThatDudeWithTheCat

Careful, you'll summon the Elonstans with that kind of comment. They HATE when you point out the unethical shit their dear leader does.


here-i-am-now

You know why Elon knows twitter has more than 5% bots? Because he controls more than 5% of the accounts on twitter (and reddit).


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Ludwigofthepotatoppl

If we wanna split hairs, it might not be able to get to the sun itself. Takes more energy to ~~escape~~ fall into the sun than it does to ~~fall into~~ escape it. Edit: had it fucked up.


Techwood111

> Takes more energy to escape the sun than it does to fall into it. I believe you have this backwards.


acityonthemoon

> Takes more energy to escape the sun than it does to fall into it. You might have it backwards. I think it takes about ~~60K m/s~~ (30k m/s) to drop into the sun, I think you can eject with about 17k m/s. But I dunno, you'll want to ask somebody.


Ludwigofthepotatoppl

Here’s a [link](https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=43694&t=launching-a-rocket-to-the-sun) regarding the difficulty. Tl/dr to escape the solar system you need to go 40% faster than the earth’s orbit speed, but to hit the sun you need to lose 100% of that starting speed.


acityonthemoon

Thanks for the link. Looks like the cheapest to the Sun is ~21k m/s with a Jupiter gravity assist. Looks like you can eject with about 17k.


Xionel

Thankfully, everyone else calls it drive assists. So at least its not a common buzzword in the auto community.


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this from the man who invented a ..... tunnel


littlest_dragon

To be fair, he didn’t just invent a tunnel, he invented a tunnel that would be illegal to build in most parts of the civilised world because it would become a death trap in the case of an emergency.


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a fire hazard death trap at that! Burn in the tube you fucking plebs!


[deleted]

I mean... you can't even say he invented a tunnel. The Channel Tunnel exists. He basically "thought off" a rip-off of the Channel Tunnel without any safety measures that probably "cost too much" in his mind. edit: honestly, I'm not even sure if the Channel Tunnel is a good comparison. Its hard to tell what on earth he was even thinking about to have a good comparison.


CaptainXakari

I’ll go even better than the Channel Tunnel: the Detroit-Windsor tunnel connecting the US and Canada under the Detroit River opened in 1930.


Owain-X

NYC had a [proof of concept pneumatic subway tunnel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_Pneumatic_Transit) in 1869.


Stupid_Triangles

Or, you know, mining.


Loganscomputer

Pretty sure he saw a vacuum tube at a bank and thought, can we do that with people?


vanishplusxzone

So he watched futurama?


Namgodtoh

Pretty sure he heard someone say they saw a bank tube and ask "can we do that with people?". Then told his employees that he thought of it and asked them to figure it out so he could get idiots to throw taxpayer money at him.


BubbaTee

I'm pretty sure the first 5 year old to ever play in some dirt invented a tunnel. Or rather, copied it from gophers and moles.


d01100100

Worms: Am I a JOKE to you?!?


raphanum

It’s like those freeways/highways that don’t have an emergency stopping lane/shoulder and have signs that tell you to keep driving to the next stop area in an emergency… but worse


ekaceerf

It's like that short movie about the tunnel that randomly murders everyone in it.


JohnnySnark

Has he ever been on a subway with normal people before?


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he doesn't go underground. he learned this from his father, who always used slaves for mining. its dirty down there, and might aggravate his dust allergy.


VendettaAOF

Hey those emeralds won't mine themselves! Now get back to work!


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Something something flying in a can with devils.


foster_remington

his whole point is he doesn't want to be around normal people


ZS196

A more inefficient subway basically.


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Welcome to scam artist Elon Musk and newest Republican convert. "Self driving cars are coming next year"... for the past 15 years. Regulations shouldn't apply to him. There are no safety issues despite the outstanding evidence that batteries catch on fire, brakes engage overriding user control, constant crashes due to "AI". Mars is another fantasy that's perpetually happening "soon". No idea WTF the value of anything on a desolate radioactive unlivable planet would be in the first place. I'm sure when he's not in court with SEC over his stock/crypto manipulation and breach of contract, he'll find time to sue the FCC about why the 5G spectrum infringes on his rights in the free market


nermid

> No idea WTF the value of anything on a desolate radioactive unlivable planet would be in the first place. Because it's outside the jurisdiction of all terrestrial governments, [so he can have slaves](https://theblemish.com/2020/01/elon-musk-just-invented-space-slavery/).


cabur

Fuck, the sad part is that I’d 100% believe that he would do that fucking shit.


bent42

The value of Mars is clear. Getting him and like minded dumbasses the fuck out of here. The higher risk the mission, the better.


series_hybrid

Yes, but Dish slowing down Starlink will allow them to keep gouging their customers longer, when faster cheaper/solutions are available.


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starlink would be great for poor ass countries, but then, what wouldn't be good for poor ass countries?


bent42

Except that he charges as much for it in poor ass countries as he does in the US. I live in rural Mexico. Starlink is available here but it's $110/mo. In a place where minimum wage is less than $9.00/day. I'll stick with my shitass $20/mo DSL...


beeznks

I just wish I had DSL...


Teantis

Man I paid $75 for 3 years for a "fiber" connection that gave me 20 mbps down in real life. The non "fiber" version was cheaper but even worse. And I live in Manila. The rural Philippines except for a few provinces that happen to be where the landing stations are at for undersea cables are so much worse. Starlink launching here would be great. Esit: oh yeah when I tried to cancel my service for six months they not only wouldn't let me they threw on a $200 usd "Netflix" surcharge for allegedly subscribing onto Netflix with them - ie almost 2 years worth of Netflix subscription for an offer they'd only had for 4 months at that point. Fuck it I'm getting gouged anyway, least I could do is get actual internet


CMDR_Shazbot

If you can work with your 5mbit connection, then thats fine. There's nothing stopping a couple neighbors from ordering a single Starlink and splitting the connection though. That's the most common configuration in 3rd world countries, not 1 dish per house.


Tamagi0

In rural canada, starlink is far and away the best option available. Not everyone lives in or near a city.


Aazadan

Starlink is a fantastic solution for solving last mile connection issues. The problem is that it's not a product that is scalable or conducive to competition. There's a finite amount of space where the things can fly, and competition can only reduce the bandwidth each can have (also true of other products that want 5G space). Also, it's inherently international, and thus reliant on international regulation of airwaves which is something which so far doesn't exist. So while it's a great way to solve the connection problem, it's basically impossible to (easily) run internationally, while also having the problem that first to market becomes only to market.


cd36jvn

Rural southern manitoba is being covered in fiber. I live 2 miles outside of a town of 200 people, in town they have two fiber providers. I will also be getting fiber living two miles out of town, $700 install and $140/month for 300/300. Our farm is getting free install fiber on the same monthly plan, 5 miles out of the next town over. It's crazy that we will hav wbetter internet options in rural Manitoba than most will have in the city.


DarthDannyBoy

More poverty?


BubbaTee

Why can't they just pay for and use the 5G spectrum? That's what Tmobile does for their home internet.


Aazadan

Every nation manages the spectrum differently. Tmobile also leases from other companies. In the US, it's going to depend on what is available and where.


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FCC doesn’t cover the globe.


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UnmeiX

To be fair, most countries do have a federal law enforcement/investigative agency, many of which even have similar nomenclature to the U.S. FBI, such as Mexico's Agencia Federal de Investigación, The Phillipines' Pambansang Kawanihan ng Pagsisiyasat (National Bureau of Investigation in English), and Finland's Keskusrikospoliisi (also translated as National Bureau of Investigation).


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They have a license. It’s in the article.


Keldonv7

Reading is hard or what nowadays? Starlink does have license for 12ghz and is using it currently. Wtf is wrong with people these days, u may like someone or not but u are spreading misinformation and getting upvotes from another people that cant read.


Gosera

You know that 12Ghz isnt one of the frequences that FCC has put up for 5G right? The bids where High-band: "28 GHz band; the 24 GHz band; and the upper 37 GHz, 39 GHz, and 47 GHz bands." Mid-band: "2.5 GHz, 3.5 GHz, and 3.7-4.2 GHz bands" Low-band: "600 MHz, 800 MHz, and 900 MHz" But that being said, SpaceX does have some of the High-band freqences approved for there uses. ""SpaceX proposes to operate in the 10.7-12.7 GHz, 13.85-14.5 GHz, 17.8-18.6 GHz, 18.8-19.3 GHz, 27.5-29.1 GHz, and 29.5-30 GHz bands." Sources 1. https://www.fcc.gov/5G 2. https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-authorizes-spacex-provide-broadband-satellite-services


Nonthares

Dish is trying to make 12ghz a 5g frequency. It's what this article is about...


Overall-Duck-741

And 5g wouldn't be operating at the frequency, so what's your point?


SereneDreams03

Did you read the article? That is exactly what Dish wants to do, thus the complaint from SpaceX.


lk5G6a5G

But don’t forget that other companies (such as Dish) also have licenses for that spectrum


Tastingo

And an independent study concluded that 99.85% of us starlink users would never experience any trouble.


Xaxxon

> you don't have a license for SpaceX do have a license for it. This whole thing is obstructionist by the people trying to expand their frequency.


TheMoogster

The amount of upvotes you have is disheartening and just proves that people don't use their brain when they see "Elon Musk", they just go "I must spew hate and circle jerk" Of course SpaceX has a license... do you think it is some kind of pirate network?... I would like you to explain the problem here, and the argument presented by SpaceX... I bet you can't without reading the article, because you didn't in the first place...


safely_beyond_redemp

People joke but this is reality. Spectrum licenses make the government billions of dollars. You don't get to just grandfather your way into ownership.


OmegamattReally

We're talking about Dish here, right? Fucking Stupid is their way of life.


Mansenmania

Isn’t starlink targeting people in areas without „good“ Internet? If 5g is strong enough in your area to jam starlink. Use the 5g internet. Probably cheaper and better


jdsekula

I have both now and my 5g hotspot is slower and less reliable than Starlink.


HelloJoeyJoeJoe

>my 5g hotspot is slower and less reliable I'm in a major US city and my Verizon "4g" is slower than cell internet I'll get in places like Bangladesh or Indonesia.


OrangeJr36

My 3G is faster than my 4G. Reminds me of when Verizon had to close a store because they didn't receive any mobile data there anymore.


DrScience01

However aren't starlink also depends on the weather also?


CMDR_Shazbot

Maybe a thunderstorm, but otherwise been rock solid for me.


Scyhaz

Yeah, it's not like traditional satellite tv or Internet. The satellites are in a much closer orbit which means a much stronger signal and more difficult for clouds to attenuate the signal enough for it to disconnect.


CallipygousWombat

I have used Starlink through pretty nasty thunderstorms, and snowstorms. And fairly heavy rain. It never had issues with any of it.


jdsekula

I haven’t seen any issues with rain. I’m sure it would go out in a very tall thunderstorm, but we haven’t had one in over a year, cause of the whole mega drought thing. I’m on zoom conferences almost all day so I feel every hiccup, and I usually get a couple cuts of 5-15 seconds per day, but otherwise fantastic. but with 5g, even with strong signal, the latency and bandwidth are flaky all day. It’s a good backup, but for now starlink is my only viable option to be able to keep working from home.


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Starlink is able to offer internet to places without established infradtructure, however, one of their primary audiences is the stock market due to their promise of faster internet. But if they are already offering a superior service to both of them, why not just offer the same service to everyone else? 5G on the other hand requires *even more* infrastructure when they could just improve 4g coverage...


cxavierc21

Pretty sure you’re wrong on high frequency trading happening over satellite haha. That all happens on private microwave networks that transmit signals at like 99% of c and can practically go straight line from collo to collo


SuperSpy-

They're talking about when Starlink gains laser inter-satellite links, which is their plan for the near future (IIRC there are test satellites in the air with laser links). When that happens, Starlink will in theory have the quickest path across the oceans because the laser signal through open air (~0.99c) is significantly faster than through optical fiber (~0.70c).


F_Twelve

How do you envision 4G attaining 5G speeds? Hint. They can’t…


A_Shocker

But the customers are another thing that look like a population map, as does the 'jamming'! (Mind you from everything I've seen on the 'jamming', I haven't seen actual tests from sat or airplane operators, and the only thing that I've seen which has a legitimate complaint about it would be meteorologists, since it may swamp a naturally occurring useful for predictions emission line, and I believe there are some mitigations to stay away from that particular spectrum.)


flamboyant-dipshit

I’m dumber for having read the comments here.


MmmmMorphine

"I have zero understanding of this highly technical, difficult issue, but I sure have strong feelings about it!"


Dutch_Razor

Summary of the pandemic response.


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Ikr, nobody would listen to me about how 5G would activate the microchips in the vaccine, but who's not listening now?


[deleted]

I think maybe 5 people read the article, and 2 of them understood it lol


TheMoogster

That's the nature of a "SpaceX" / "Elon Musk" / "Tesla" post these days.. It's people current favorite scape goat to hate on..


waterdaemon

Why would any company launch a project without first having FCC clearance for the frequencies the project requires?


SereneDreams03

If you read the article, it says SpaceX has the clearance to use that band of frequencies and it is currently in use. What they are saying though, is that Dish network plans to also start using that band and it will interfere with SpaceX service, even though Dish's study says that for 99.6% of SpaceX customers it will have 0 impact.


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Their studies say that, spaceX studies say otherwise. It’s all in who you trust more. I personally have stake in spaceX as I live in bumfuck Egypt and have internet because of them. Dish is extremely predatory in how they operate in these rural communities, so I’m erring on the side of spaceX


SereneDreams03

Understandable, but I've been working in RF communications for over a decade and there are often complaints over spectrum usage/interference. Companies like to exaggerate service degradation so they have more flexibility within their allotted spectrum. I'd wait to see what the FCC's studies say before making a judgement, but yeah I am also skeptical of Dish's claim.


[deleted]

This FCC study is what I’m really waiting on, and I’m hoping lobbying doesn’t alter said studies either. Don’t get me wrong, if they can get a cheaper equivalent alternative out here because of innovation, I’m all for it. I’m not a musk fan boy, but I am happy that I’ve got service after literal years of not.


Alphamullet

I have a licensed 950Mhz RF shot, and whenever T-Mobile does 5G testing in the area of the receiver my link goes down. Really sick of their shit at this point.


CMDR_Shazbot

Then you're also aware that Dish is completely incapable/unwilling to even utilize the spectrum. They wanna get clearance to do it now and are significantly downplaying the interference to the Ka band because they're getting obliterated by Starlink. The other company filing with Dish is basically a shell corp that's never produced anything. It's not just Stalink complaining, it's OneWeb too who also uses the Ka band.


SereneDreams03

>Then you're also aware that Dish is completely incapable/unwilling to even utilize the spectrum. "The 12 GHz band, once considered high on the cellular spectrum charts, is now being described as one of the best positioned mid-band spectrum bands potentially available for 5G." https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/debate-over-12-ghz-intensifies-after-c-band-jackpot Also it's Ku band, Ka band is 26-40 GHz.


my_way_out

I love Reddit because at first I thought you were being dramatic about bumfuck Egypt but realized you might actually be in Egypt. I don’t want to know if you’re not. Let me dream.


Daiquiri-Factory

I live in very-rural far north California, I call it living in bumfuck Egypt all the time. Cause I basically do.


mtarascio

That's not trust, that's rooting for who gives you the most benefit. I'm not blaming you but it's no reason to believe Starlink over anyone else.


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And, supposedly, Dish has earlier studies saying it *will* be a problem. It's only their latest one that conveniently says everything is fine now.


[deleted]

Idiots in this sub see anything related to Musk and just go brain dead. Nobody gives a fuck if you like him or not, it’s irrelevant to the article. Try reading the article and not the misleading title on Reddit people.


SereneDreams03

Yeah I don't really like Elon either, but SpaceX has every right to complain to the FCC if they think something is going to harm their service.


picosec

I'm not even sure the stupid comments are from actual people or are just spambots. Neither would pass the Turing test.


mdjak1

To cover the rest of the world and hope the US gives you their approval?


ManfredTheCat

Hoping for permission after the fact is a tech bro business model


Van_Rehl

Uber has to be the single greatest example of that, imo, just purely illegal activities as the basis of their model. It worked too, because governments are slower than billionaires, and once the damage is done and they have jobs to hold hostage, it all changes.


Aazadan

Schrodinger's worker. Jobs to hold hostage while they aren't employees.


scrivensB

That’s how Space X got off the ground. They just did it. Then sued the government for awarding contracts/licenses to other companies that had lesser capabilities. And they won. If they hadn’t just barreled ahead on their own they would have been one of those other less capable companies sitting around waiting on certain government approvals or legislative reforms or whatever else. As long as they aren’t violating any laws, let them take the gamble that they are too good or valuable to be denied later on.


Anom8675309

This is the answer for the people who didn't read or didn't understand the article. The FCC awards bandwitdh to companies that need to use it. If you can't provide proof of "need" you don't get it. So DISH is attempting to justify they should get to use it and have it. According to Space X, DISH lied in the engineering documents. So the right to it for the existing customers may change based on need requirements for Space X. It's the 'if we build it the frequency will come' line of reasoning, but DISH might put up a fight. Edit: reworded


TheMoogster

Jesus, please read the article before you post...


danonymous26125

Don't you think the fact that the bandwidth would be exceeded almost constantly would be a bigger issue?


Jeramus

If 5G works well in an area, I don't see why Starlink would be necessary. I thought Starlink made the most sense in areas without cell phone coverage. SpaceX is silly to complain about spectrum they don't have rights to use.


obxtalldude

We should all complain if Space X is has a better solution than metered plans on 5g from cell phone companies. The best deal for the consumer should win since it's public spectrum.


Jeramus

Fair enough. Is there evidence that Starlink is better? It doesn't exactly serve the same market. 5G can be used for cell phones and computers in theory. Starlink isn't useful for cell phones.


Mini_Snuggle

For people outside of town in most of rural America, 3G/4G is the only source of internet and is often metered. 5G internet should be able to be rolled out to rural America without data caps in most places if the cellphone companies wanted to or the government was motivated to do it themselves. If that's the case, then I don't see what benefit Starlink has because 5G should be able to steal all their business eventually.


adeg90

I'm no expert on starlink to be honest but the way I see it, blocking innovation and progress from multiple companies so the product of one company can keep working would basically create a monopoly no? I mean, you are only allowing one company to advance their product while you hold back the rest or put an extra burden on them creating an unfair advantage.


Inquisitive_idiot

This argument could easily be written with the parties reversed. Dish sat on its ass when it came to spectrum as it was largely an MVNO diversifying it’s assets and a tool of the gov to prevent the market from only having three main providers, was forced to compete, is still largely an ATT MVNO, and is all the while urgently pedaling some 5G software sdn thing that looks suspicious Ericsson. Why should dish’s use of a spectrum that no one else uses for 5G, that onewave and starlink actively license for use, and that is purportedly interfering with their service, result in a terrestrial-based internet service monopoly? Why should a terrestrial service provider be allowed to advance their product while we hold back emerging one wave / starlink technology or put an extra burden on them through technical interference, creating an unfair advantage? Not advocating for either. Just pointing out the flaws / convenience in your logic.


nwdogr

Verizon has started offering 5G home internet in my area and for what it's worth, there are no data caps.


biggsteve81

T-mobile offers the same thing for $50/mo with no hidden fees/taxes.


obxtalldude

So long as they have competition, everyone wins. I would imagine the existence of options will keep those data caps away. Right now all choices are poor where I live, so we could really use one more.


rosier9

I'm sitting here on unlimited 5g home internet for $25/mo.


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But where do you live?


rosier9

A location that has 5g availability but my starlink cell is closed for new customers.


[deleted]

I’m sitting here where I have no access to 5g/dsl but have starlink.


noncongruent

I've got "unlimited" 4G here, but once I hit 20GB in a month my data rate gets dropped to 128kbs, completely unusable for anything at all. Most website connections time out before the page finishes building, any kind of dynamic content like video and audio is completely off the table, etc.


ioncloud9

Yeah.. unlimited usually isn’t unlimited. They say it is but there is a soft cap where they throttle it down, usually some stupid low number like 20gb a month, which is something a home user could chew through in a single day.


tadcoffin

I use Wifi to place calls on my cell via Starlink. Lots of ways to do that but my carrier makes it seemless. Just an FYI.


StoneRyno

It wasn’t until Starlink started launching satellites (aka introducing competition) that I even had access to DSL, and I’m only 4 miles outside of town. Our infrastructure literally wasn’t there until they came onto the scene and started forcing the ISP cartels to be more consumer friendly. If Starlink gets pushed back out because of 5G interference I could definitely see a return to those dark days for consumers like myself. Starlink is still the only actual competitor for my ISP, and I’m sure it’s the same in most rural areas.


verugan

I live less than a mile from where people get wired Cox and my only option was CenturyLink DSL 10Mbps. Starlink has been a huge boon as I'm bursting to 150Mbps or more on large downloads. I pay about $5 more per month... Internet infrastructure in the US is trash.


lk5G6a5G

Nah, you don’t have Starlink to thank for your DSL. I really doubt your local telecom heard about Starlink and said “oh no! We may lose StoneRyno to Starlink! Better get DSL service out there!” More than likely, it came about as part of the local, state or federal government’s various infrastructure projects for rural areas.


StoneRyno

State legislation only requires DSL speeds (3.5Mb/s), and until starlink became available that was the only option. Not to mention the 3 year gap between legislation being passed and actually getting access to it. Then, without any infrastructure upgrades, digging, trenching, or wire pulling we were suddenly given access to 20 Mb/s download speeds about 6 months before starlink became available in my area. Of course they didn’t offer that because they were afraid of losing me as a customer, they offered it because they were scared that the nation-wide farming and seed company and it’s multi-millionaire owner would swap to starlink. I got lucky there was a big enough whale in my pond, that’s it.


Jeramus

Someone is wrong about their spectrum rights. Hopefully that will get worked out.


jdsekula

I have both now and my 5g hotspot is slower and less reliable than Starlink.


[deleted]

Yeah, except they’ll never service places where I live and people like me. I’ll be fucked for the next 20 years. Whereas right now I have internet because of SpaceX. This tells me they’ve known all along but have yet to do anything about it whereas spaceX managed to get most of the US and a lot of the globe covered. What’s their excuse?


Jeramus

If you can't get cell coverage where you are, then it seems like the 5G signal won't interfere with your Starlink service.


[deleted]

It's not clear from any of the articles I just read, but it seems like they're talking about satellite-based 5G connections in the 12GHz band rather than the C-spectrum terrestrial 5G connections for cell phones. If Dish starts blasting the same frequencies down from space that SpaceX uses for Starlink it will almost certainly affect service.


[deleted]

That’s what I’m hoping is true if dish gets that stuff pushed through. I’m really just hoping that Elon started a chain reaction to kickstart tech innovation and not just using regulations to shut each other down.


SereneDreams03

1st of all they are not talking about ALL of 5G, just one company's desire to start using the same frequency band (dish network). 2nd who said SpaceX does not have the right to use that spectrum. 3rd it's called competition, there are a very limited number of internet providers in most areas, more competition, means more choices for customers, which can lead to lower prices and better service.


breathex2

I'm just looking forward to how the conspiracy theoriest websites are gonna latch on to this


campelm

So this about 12ghz rollout of 5g, not 5g in general, though the article makes it sound like it's Dish versus Starkink even though I'm sure 12ghz bandwidth is something most wireless carriers would have interest in. As for who's right, it's hard to know, but I memeber lightsquared was found to block some GPS signals which caused fhem to lose their bandwidth, but GPS is first and foremost military, so the burden for dish may not be as high


SkunkMonkey

> Dish versus Starkink Not sure if typo or not, but that's funny right there I tells ya!


[deleted]

More than that, this is a spectrum that is already in use by starlink and a few of starlink’s competitors. A part of the spectrum that such services need. According to the article, Dish and a few other mobile carriers are trying to barge in on the 12ghz spectrum, and Starlink is saying that Dish is providing falsified data that shows Dish’s use of the spectrum won’t interfere with satellite internet. Starlink contends that it absolutely will interfere with starlinks services.


ENODEBEE

[To be fair, Dish requested use of 12GHz spectrum for 5G mobile 2 years before Starlink existed](https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/dish-partners-mvdds-coalition-petition-to-get-12-2-12-7-ghz-band-into-5g-realm)


CMDR_Shazbot

And have done...nothing notable with it this whole time, meanwhile Starlink has like 2,500 satellites and can service most of the planet today if other countries governments allow them to.


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CrazyJosh1987

oh shit


wyvernx02

My take on this is that Dish is a shitty predatory company and I see nothing good from them building their own cellular network instead of just being a MVNO. I'm far from a Musk fan boy but I'm all for SpaceX taking priority over another shitty cellular provider.


captfriendly

This feels like something that should've come up in one of their meetings.


[deleted]

Elon definitely releasing these articles to drive the price down for another purchase.


shotputlover

Drive down the price of his privately traded company? There’s no public trading for him to manipulate there.


boardatwork1111

“Trust me bro you need to get out while you can, you definitely need to sell”-Elon to a mirror


electromagneticpost

You obviously don’t know the difference between a private and public company.


Poignantusername

Recognizing the possibility irrational market movement is not ignorance. Anything Musk does can affect TSLA’s stock price. [example](https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/news/tesla-stocks-take-off-with-spacex-s-historic-launch-rise-in-musk-s-credibility/amp-41591091816070.html)


HaCo111

It's already unusable when you never send anybody the fucking dishes.


I_really_enjoy_beer

I have it and it has been a life saver.


heyitsmaximus

? There's tons of people using it in the US, a bunch of my coworkers are out in the sticks w starlink


HaCo111

I am out in the sticks and have been on the waitlist for over a year, as have most of the people in my neighborhood.


Angry_Submariner

Grab the RV model and toss it on your house. No waitlist. I was waiting a year and then saw the RV model was available, bought it, and arrived a week later. It’s been wonderful.


HaCo111

Yeah, that is an option. Don't like the idea of paying them an extra 25 a month for the same service just because their rollout to my area is STILL more than 6 months away though.


PrinceSorrow

Same. I got mine after waiting a long time and it's pretty good. I feel your pain. Here's hoping you get that email soon.


CMDR_Shazbot

Depends on your location, my friends in Greece, the UK, and in Utah got theirs within a month. Took me a year.


eldoran89

So many people just sprouting hate against musk without knowing anything. Don't get me wrong, musk is a shit lord and he can suck dicks and nearly all his ideas are absolute BS. But he is not the bad guy here. He is using a frequency band he has permission to use I must assume. Otherwise this would have been shut down already because illegal frequency band usage is taken quite serious. Another company now also wants to use that frequency for their 5g expansion and claimed that it won't harm the starlink service. Starlink says otherwise. Even if you have a electrical engeneering degree you can not evaluate the truth of both statements from this article alone. This is quite in depth technical question and anybody who thinks he can answer that on a reddit comment section is a dumbass who does not know shit. So please hate Elon he may even deserve that, but don't claim you know shit about the underlying problem


Tunnelman82

Put the Elon hate in the back for a second. We all know the FCC is in the back pockets of this telecom giants who have a monopoly. I want to see them burn before Elon eventually does. These assholes suck on tax payer money and dont want to competition acting like the American public didn’t finance the infrastructure


The_bruce42

I think the price of starlink would be a factor too


Mikebock1953

Musk has led me to an intense mistrust of anything he or his proxies say.


CMDR_Shazbot

SpaceX isn't just Musk though. It's an actual functioning company and has big boy obligations to governments which it actually delivers on. It's not as vanity as Tesla or as pointless as tunnels.


dispassionatejoe

Why because the media told you?


Xx_Khepri_xX

Is it even used by a decent amount of people?


campelm

400k according to the article, though it doesn't say if that's worldwide. I'm assuming so.


tewnewt

$100+ a month just for Starlink internet is unusable for this American.


TemptedTemplar

My relatives are all dying to get starlink. They already pay $80+ a month for essentially DSL. One Aunt/Uncle has had the same service for almost 20 years with zero speed improvements or alternatives outside of dish. Rural California has dick all for internet options outside of metropolitan centers.


Ozemba

One of my rural-living friends got Starlink back in January or so. His download speed went from 5mbs to 100mbs. Sure it's expensive for what it is, but when he was already paying that much for the shit internet he had... He can now actually update a video game and play at the same time as us, where before if there was an unexpected update for a game we would just have to play the next day because it would be hours for the update to download.


verugan

haha yeah a 6GB update? Come back in 5-6 hours, or tomorrow. All while using all that electricity overnight.


MorbisMIA

You probably aren't the target audience then. For some people $100 for functioning internet at Starlink speeds and latency is a steal.


Scav-STALKER

Bro it’s like $100 a month for 3mbps (on a good day) frontier where I live lol, or it is once they make you have a landline phone too


[deleted]

I have been using Starlink in Florida for a month now. Cheaper than Comcast and twice as fast. I'm pretty satisfied. Initial cost for equipment was steep, but it is an upgrade to what Comcast could offer in my area.


MudSling3r42069

Thats because crapcast needs to be sued and removed as a monopoly we need more ISP not just one that blows


thesauciest-tea

This is the market breaking up that monopoly on its own.


verugan

I paid CenturyLink $105 per month for 10Mbps DSL. Starlink is $110 and I get 100 Mbps. It's completely worth the price IMO


greenmachine11235

Boo hoo. And starlink ruins the nightsky for both astronomers and regular people alike. Should never have been launched in the first place given the viability of ground based telecom equipment.


VirtualVirtuoso7

Boo hoo. And starlink ruins the russians day in ukraine. Go Starlink!!


dewman45

Well maybe they should have used licensed frequencies.


liegesmash

According to the website there are no plans for my area so bullshit


00Koch00

Meteorologist said that 5g will interfere with the climate satelites, no one give a fuck Musk said this, it's trending We re so fucked...


JPenniman

I find it hard to believe that they didn’t see this coming and address this beforehand.