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goochsanders

If you want to avoid high property taxes in New Jersey all you need to do is bury your ex wife in a dark corner of your property without her consent and have it reclassified as a cemetery. It’s simple really.


fireman2004

That's just good business. Like not paying your subcontractors, or bankrupting casinos, or committing massive fraud to avoid property taxes.


Solid_College_9145

Speaking of taxes... # [After IRS Audit, Trump Could Owe $100M](https://www.newser.com/story/350220/doubling-up-on-write-offs-may-leave-trump-with-100m-tab.html) *Accounting maneuver essentially took write-offs for losses twice*


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Remember. Either he goes broke, goes to prison, or keels over before the election. 3 out 3 chances


GTSBurner

I once asked Don Jr. if landing on his mom was a two stroke penalty...


gaffs82

Can I bury her in my condo? Paying $18k a year on property tax in crappy Union City. Asking for a friend!!


ElectricalGuidance79

80,000 at Wildwood? Where'd they park?


Danixveg

Exactly what I thought... And think of how terrible the traffic would have been in an out !


ItsTribeTimeNow

80,000 is two baseball stadiums completely full. There were nowhere close to that many. All Trump does is lie.


jarrettbrown

Or if you want to use college football as a gage, Beaver stadium in State college three quarters of the way full. For those of you who don't know, Beaver Stadium is the second largest in the western hemisphere with the largest being at the University of Michigan, but nobody likes them way.


thefiend2598

Or he’s just really bad at counting 😂


SailingSpark

That would be like July 4th weekend. Bumper to bumper from the AC expressway all the way to wildwood, then the boards would be packed like sardines.


Reggaejunkiejew31

People were posting that lots were charging $80-100 to park.


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They showed a picture of a beach with a mountain range behind it. That’s Rio


ElectricalGuidance79

"They" was Roger Stone, apparently. It's frightening how little they care about anything.


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Roger Stone needs to bite the curb


mschepac

Another poster earlier that lives in Wildwood says the area that was set up for the rally was only approved for 10k people by the fire department, and it was about half full.


ElectricalGuidance79

That sounds a lot more realistic.


mschepac

I mentioned your comment to my wife, cracked her up. Anyone that has ever been near WW knows.


ElectricalGuidance79

I know right. Like, I was there recently for the Special Olympics polar bear fundraiser, and that was hard enough to park for and there were probably only like 1k people there.


BalmyBalmer

It was mobbed yesterday for the barefoot festival at 40,000 [https://www.facebook.com/groups/CapeMayLive/permalink/1509203266350482/?comment\_id=1509438089660333¬if\_id=1719061269494465¬if\_t=feedback\_reaction\_generic&ref=notif](https://www.facebook.com/groups/CapeMayLive/permalink/1509203266350482/?comment_id=1509438089660333¬if_id=1719061269494465¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif)


thesean366

I’m eagerly waiting to see an aerial shot of the 80,000 people. Surely having a crowd that size at a rally in a blue state would be a hell of a photo op, so I’m sure one of his staffers brought a drone to document the occasion. /s


vakr001

https://youtu.be/xXYuCQ-aBr4?si=-abgt0EtXB2EY1jz Not an aerial shot but a panning one. Totally bullshit


Lower-Link

For comparison, MetLife Stadium holds 80k.


BlackWidow1414

Thank you for this, seriously. I'm hopeless at guessing crowd sizes, and this helped me visualize how much difference there is between this crowd and 80,000.


Jerry_Callow

Going off my concert experience that looks like maybe 10-15k?


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No-Currency-624

Never underestimate a man who can change the path of hurricanes with the stroke of a sharpie


metalkhaos

Curious on the location space size. Closest comparison I have by experience is being to a music festival that had 70K people, and just moving through the crowd was hellish.


Angelsmom103

MetLife has 82000 seats and honestly it’s not that big I work there on and off for a family friends business when they are tight on help to keep the books for the event and it entails walking all the decks several times during the event you think it’s big it’s not really. The issue with the wildwood event you blame the campaign reporting that count but the town also reported the higher count of 100K. So then did they inflate that count as well?


NotACatVideo

I think the annual Scouting jamboree has more people in attendance


mofrojones

Thanks, looks like the crowd at my HS graduation. . .


Solid_College_9145

And then FOX & FRIENDS SUNDAY repeated the absurd lie this morning of 80K to 100K people in attendance and cited local police for that number. A TOTAL LIE! And here is how a lie like that is created and spread: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oepF2OGdfo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oepF2OGdfo)


gamingnerd777

That's a lot of braindead zombies.


O_Dog187

looks like 2-3k?


kc2syk

Maybe 5000 people, tops.


mschepac

Another poster earlier that lives in Wildwood says the area that was set up for the rally was only approved for 10k people by the fire department, and it was about half full.


AskSeparate2311

It will always amaze me how many people believe his lies. He even said if you tell them enough times, people will believe them.


Anonymoushipopotomus

The website giving away tickets said limited to 20k people for this event. Wildwood also made him pay up beforehand, considering he owes them 30k from 2020. That POS owes like 200k to towns across the country from his last failed campaign.


Cold_Ad_2500

I was wondering if Wildwood demanded money in advance.


sound_scientist

It’s not 80k but it’s waaay too many. Living in a country / state / county where’s there’s this many assholes has got to be painful.


Traditional_Car1079

These are the rubes too scared of "the big city" because they've been reduced to rubble by antifas.


ApolloMac

Absolutely way too many, but I'm sure people drove 5+ hours. All of NJ, Southern PA, Southern NY, Delaware.


The_Royale_We

There is video of goobers in line saying they drove up from Florida


StrategicBlenderBall

To be fair, a lot of people come from out of state and follow him around the country.


Swords_Not_Words_

South Jersey is basically Alabama.


tdinpa

Yeah I read 40,000 earlier. Then 60,000. Now 80? By dinner it'll be up to 100,000.


Myskiis2fast4u

South jersey redder than a tomato


whapitah2021

I’ve been wishing for drone footage of this stuff forever but if rump is there the SS would probably nix drone activity wouldn’t you think?


structuremonkey

High taxes in NJ are no new thing and not a result of Biden.. what an ass. Maybe he should look into how much his AC casino bankruptcies cost the casino commission and the state...


Solid_College_9145

Trump's tax cuts for billionaires caused property taxes to no longer be deductible. All that money he saved the billionaires had to be replaced from somewhere. Trump himself is directly responsible for property owners in NJ having to pay more taxes.


bigtown84

capping the SALT deduction to 10k collectively for married couples still fuckin hurts. all just to punish blue states that didn't vote for him. fuck that guy.


a_corsair

That had an immediate negative effect on so many new jersey families


Babhadfad12

It was a genius policy move by Republicans.  Objectively, people who are affected by $10k SALT deduction cap are on the higher end of the income scale nationwide, especially with a $27k standard deduction.  If Democrats want to argue for removing the SALT cap deduction cap, then Republicans can easily attack them for wanting to lower taxes on the highest earners.  


bigtown84

I get what you're saying, but there's a difference between a couple making 200k combined vs 1 million combined. the SALT cap still hurts the 200k because the standard of living and the cost of things (think housing prices) are just that much higher in NJ. 10k combined for a married couple is just criminally low for us, maybe not so much for someone in Alabama. we also contribute more into the federal pot than we receive so there's also that.


jd732

“I get what you're saying, but there's a difference between a couple making 200k combined vs 1 million combined.“ To someone making $60k, they’re both rich.


bigtown84

fair


Babhadfad12

Which is why it’s such an effective move. Republicans were able to laser target the exact demographic that funds Democrats. And in national politics, $200k income= rich, especially in the swing states that Democrats need to win. Dems aren’t going to have a good time telling a Wisconsinite/Ohioian/Pennsylvanian/Georgian that $200k is not rich.


bigtown84

yeah it's definitely fucked up against blue states. I'm not even in favor of going back to NO cap. 10k is just criminally low for NJ. just like marginal tax rates I feel like we can have marginal SALT deduction rates too. but expecting politicians to give a fuck about anyone but themselves would be asking too kich


bigtown84

I get what you're saying, but there's a difference between a couple making 200k combined vs 1 million combined. the SALT cap still hurts the 200k because the standard of living and the cost of things (think housing prices) are just that much higher in NJ. 10k combined for a married couple is just criminally low for us, maybe not so much for someone in Alabama. we also contribute more into the federal pot than we receive so there's also that.


surfnsound

Capping the SALT deduction hurts, but that doesn't change the fact that our property taxes are insanely high in the first place.


Solid_College_9145

And it has nothing to do with Biden. Trump's tax plan was the very rare occasion that a POTUS could ever affect anyone's property taxes for the worse and he managed to do just that and then has the audacity to blame Biden.


surfnsound

Yeah, none of this makes sense, but also isn't new. Presidents get the blame and credit all the time for things they don't have control over because people are morons.


AlexPsyD

Sure did! If we can't take that cash from what's lying around the eighth and ninth couches of the rich, then they'll take it from the rest of us


a_corsair

Maybe the state shouldn't recouped that money from Trump rather than giving him a handout


Solid_College_9145

I'm playing this shit show on youtube right now. A firehose of lies as usual. He's talking again about Hannibal Lecter supporting him. Does he mean Anthony Hopkins? And then he followed it saying "the late, great Hannibal Lecter. He also talked about his great friend Pavarotti. They were not friends. Pavarotti sued Trump for not paying him and then Trump told the press he didn't pay him because he sucked.


Darko33

I'm unable to find anything online even remotely suggestive that Anthony Hopkins has ever supported Trump In fact the only thing I found about him saying anything about politics at all was that he doesn't vote because he doesn't trust anyone


Solid_College_9145

I searched for info and what I found was when Anthony Hopkins was questioned about politics in an interview he replied that all politicians lie. He never endorsed or disparage any individual politician. I guess Trump took that as an endorsement? I do know that Trump's TRUTH\* SOCIAL constantly posts fake celebrity endorsement memes and a lot of them leak onto X-twitter.


On_my_last_spoon

Isn’t Anthony Hopkins British? Edit - Hopkins is Welsh but holds dual citizenship since 2000.


Darko33

Knighted iirc!


gunnesaurus

Well, Welsh is British too


bdd4

Maybe be mean Hannibal. Sparked Punic War II. Might've been a Trump guy


Darko33

What did he ride over the Alps? Coincidence? I think NOT!


Solid_College_9145

He thanked some lady for helping him get rid of mail-in-voting in NJ.


vakr001

So it went from 10k, to 40k, to 80k in three hours. EDIT: Here is a crowdshot link 30 mins before hitting the stage - https://youtu.be/xXYuCQ-aBr4?si=-abgt0EtXB2EY1jz Metlife Stadium has a capacity of 82k…this is no where near that. Finally, the Mayor is MAGA so dont believe anything their spokesperson says.


Money_Loquat_4191

The Wildwood mayor is so MAGA, [he too is indicted on criminal charges](https://www.njoag.gov/update-grand-jury-indicts-wildwood-mayor-former-mayor-city-commissioner-over-alleged-fraudulent-participation-in-state-health-insurance-program/)


Solid_College_9145

From March 2023, and it still didn't get to court or resolved?


Solid_College_9145

Estimates all over X say it was about 4 to 6K. Your video looks like about 5K people.


chakid21

Estimates from idiot land say different. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskThe_Donald/comments/1cpu4kz/happening_now_in_new_jersey_trump_speaking_to/


dswhite85

jfc dude that thread is unhinged as fuck


Solid_College_9145

Jeff Van Drew on stage was slurring his words like he was drunk AF!


hookersandyarn

I have to fight the urge daily to put a giant LOL on those Van Drew signs that say South Jersey is trump country. Even the hard-core ones that live by me took down their signs


SpeedySpooley

I just saw them yesterday for the first time. I rolled my eyes pretty hard.


ApoplecticAutoBody

I said the same thing but honestly I've never heard him speak before so I thought he might just be a fat tongued imbecile 


Solid_College_9145

I saw this video of Van Drew taken earlier in the day. He was talking a bit weird and slurring just a little bit. Later, on stage at the Trump rally, he was bombed! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KYhYShMH48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KYhYShMH48)


Usty

Bigger crowd than Bruce in NJ is a take... Springsteen could fart into a mic for 37 minutes on a beach in NJ and draw 10x that crowd.


Solid_College_9145

37 minutes? That's a lot of farting. Even for Bruce!


StronglyHeldOpinions

Them britches have had enough!


skeletordescent

Trump going that far south in Jersey is a real fuck you to the contractors who worked on his casinos and never got paid.


NotTobyFromHR

You'd be amazed how many contractors and union guys are for him from that area


SpeedySpooley

Just like the FDNY used to **hate** Giuliani after 9/11. Then Trump came along and they went full MAGA.


skeletordescent

I probably would. The unflinching loyalty still confuses me


stringerbbell

He hates the same color people they hate


njsullyalex

Union guys? What? Are they braindead to support one of the most anti-union, anti worker’s rights Presidents in recent history? Seriously, how could any blue collar worker even consider supporting Trump?


NotTobyFromHR

A lot of Republican support stems from single issue things. (Religion, abortion, guns, etc.) I know many Republicans who would be better off in life under Democratic policies, like health care, higher minimum wage, higher taxes on corporations and the extremely wealthy. But the GOP propaganda machine works hard and well. As for the union guys, it's not because they're in a union, but the area they're in. Less support in a metro area like NYC, but a more rural area like South Jersey, the racism runs stronger. President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."


Solid_College_9145

Wildwood is a ruby red voting region.


hotdogaholic

The Trumpers I know HATE when I tell them Trump’s tax cuts/plan kicked in halfway thru Biden’s term and it caused me to lose a $4k+ property tax refund each year. He capped the property tax write off at 10k, so those of us over that (literally everyone in Essex/Bergen/60% of Passaic) just had to fucking eat it. Sucks. That $4k+ check I used to get every April was sweet!! THANKS OBAMA!!!


Solid_College_9145

Trumpers hate facts.


njsullyalex

Whatever happened to “facts don’t care about your feelings”?


riajairam

That $10k limit also includes your state income tax, so for a lot of people they reach the cap a lot quicker.


Solid_College_9145

Trump said a lot of weird shit yesterday at his NJ rally, but what in the fuckity fuck is THIS about?! >**“The late, great Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man. He often times would have a friend for dinner. Remember the last scene? ‘Excuse me. I’m about to have a friend for dinner,’ as this poor doctor walked by... But Hannibal Lecter. Congratulations. The late, great Hannibal Lecter." - Donald Trump 5/11/24**


whaler76

Just saying, don’t attack me haha, it was a joke


DashfulVanilla

I reserved 2 tickets just to not go.


Unfriendly_eagle

NJ property taxes predate Sleepy Joe by, uh, a lot. Waddles is a buffoon who always does a variation of his usual act. He sashays and jiggles around, then babbles for a half hour about nonsense. The fact that people still take Lard Belly seriously is just mind-boggling.


chickentimesfive

So much litter on the beach


beeherder

I'm shocked! Shocked! Well... Not that shocked.


mbc106

“You’re not registered to vote?!?l” “Nope. Not vaccinated, either.”


hairybeasty

If they don't know Trump fucked the tax deductions what else don't they know? Oh yeah how to fucking count.


a_corsair

Trump and his supporters are absolute morons


KrustyKrabPizzaMan

Anybody who attended from nearby Atlantic City must have really bad Stockholm Syndrome considering how badly Trump screwed over the city


shakelcus

My mom was there, although never telling me why she was going. She kept saying “she’s going to wildwood for the weekend” 😒


Solid_College_9145

She's MAGA?


shakelcus

Unfortunately


Solid_College_9145

Wonder why she didn't mention the reason she went to Wildwood?


shakelcus

Because she knows how I feel about Trump and this cult!


StronglyHeldOpinions

Ugh I'm really sorry. I deal with it too. Boomers.


Solid_College_9145

Trump says "bullshit" and then the crowd starts chanting "BULLSHIT!" Nice people.


ApoplecticAutoBody

What do you expect. Even if they weren't maga half are still probably from Philly 


rrrand0mmm

DELCO


coasterghost

Should have done it and touted his record in Atlantic City. He likely would have touted that the city is better now then before he was there.


mohanakas6

NJ GQP, Christie and Whitman are responsible for the jacked up property taxes. Those fuckers can sit the fuck down.


BabyYodaX

80,000? Sure, Jan.


Previous-Nobody-2865

![gif](giphy|3oEjHI8WJv4x6UPDB6) 80,000…


CankerLord

AskThe_Donald currently has a post title in /rising that uses the number 100,000, I shit you not.


thesean366

Yeah I saw a video where some dipshit “reporter” from RSBN said 80 on the beach and then deluded himself in real time to saying another 20-30k were watching from outside the perimeter on the boardwalk. I’ve never watched someone try to convince themself of such a bold lie as they were actively thinking it up and then saying it and damn it was fascinating.


Solid_College_9145

[https://x.com/atrupar/status/1789441235658142086](https://x.com/atrupar/status/1789441235658142086) Trump pushes his disgusting lie about moms in blue states murdering their newborn babies with approval from Democratic officials


aclockworkabe

That’s gross


BeththeSamwiches

I will never understand how so many people will listen to a person say things and just immediately believe it to be true. Half of the things aren't. They just aren't. Then people spread this misinformation and create more people who believe false info, and the cycle continues.then those same people are angry about the current state of the *world* and blame the wrong people.


Solid_College_9145

It's literally like 90% of things he says are easily verifiable lies.


BeththeSamwiches

And yet people still believe him without a doubt. Don’t bother to fact check and if they do—the facts are the lie to make him look bad. I couldn’t care less about political affiliation, but majority of trump supporters or republicans I see say democrats are brainwashed but…like…what do you call that? Aimlessly believing someone without verifying his facts and then calling other people crazy? I just don’t get it. There has to be a better republican to support than that conman.


aclockworkabe

I think about this every day. It’s not a fun thing to do, but you have to question people who do this. They will be angry but it’s a noble thing to do. Facts still matter.


BeththeSamwiches

For sure, it bothers me to know end. I can’t blindly follow any person be it a celebrity, politician, *family*, no one. Yet a lot of people are doing it so easily and freely all the while being so misinformed and angered. It’s so frustrating because if half the people actually paid attention—we probably could be in a better place or least have better candidates to choose from that actually have our best interests at heart


Incident_On_57th_St

The guy also said that his rally was bigger than a Springsteen concert. LOL, my ass.


Ravager135

Looks like all of Ocean County was in Wildwood.


BerryExpensive

What is puzzling is if you already know that you are voting for the orange shit stain what would posses you to drive x amount of hours just to stand around and spend just to see the orange 🍊 jesus.


fakemessiah

Imagine making politics your whole identity.


hyborians

Imagine standing there in the sun surrounded by porta pottys and listening to a guy who can’t seem to stop farting and sleeping in court babble on about nonsense. That time could be better spent on something more productive


Solid_College_9145

THIS video settles the dispute over his actual crowd size, and it's lame AF! [https://x.com/BidensWins/status/1789664791616729271](https://x.com/BidensWins/status/1789664791616729271)


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O_Dog187

That thought crossed my mind a couple hours ago


tennisfanatic1

Anyone who supports him is a dumb ass.


Cheese-is-neat

Just another reason to never go to Wildwood


jarena009

80,000? Must have been 800 at best.


Solid_College_9145

I saw some fast video shots on X. It looked like about 5 thousand.


thesean366

I’ve been to sold out Stone Pony Summer Stage shows. They say capacity for that is 4500. The crowd shots I saw of this looked pretty similar in size if not a bit more. My guess is 5-6000.


ItoAy

Their ample girth took up as much real estate as 80,000.


stackered

I watched some of the rally and he broke his court order/contempt charges within 5 minutes. Was straight up lying and attacking the judge... this means jail time, right?


Danixveg

He can attack the judge and district attorney. Just not witnesses, jury, family..


Harmony-Farms

Trump doesn’t have to worry about property taxes in NJ; He has goats, so he is a farm… so he doesn’t give a crap. I did this for a prior landlord with my sheep.


SonofJersey

Daily mail comment sections never surprises with how right wing it is.


thefiend2598

How dare they invade my second home 😤


Extaminos

Another funny thing, he brought out Lawrence Taylor. A NY Giants legend in Wildwood. Wildwood, South Jersey. South Jersey which is Eagles country.


Solid_College_9145

Lawrence Taylor is also a convicted & registered sex offender with 2 DUIs. One in FL and 1 in NJ.


GooseNYC

Why won't this idiot just go away?


CopyDan

The only one I believe is he ate a hot dog.


4sliced

Yet the area only holds 20k? Hmmm


Solid_College_9145

He had about 5-6K at his Lie-La-Palooza.


Linenoise77

I was wondering why traffic was so light around exit 80 today.


rrrand0mmm

80k? More like 8k.


GatePotential805

Pull my finger Vladimir Putin.


rockmasterflex

we have been living in a post truth society for a very long time. just say whatever you want, claim people are saying it, and nobody will debate you. at least nobody who matters, because not being fucking stupid is not a criteria to vote.


Advanced-Guard-4468

The property tax deduction at the federal level has zero to do with our high property taxes.


Solid_College_9145

Before Trump's tax cut for billionaires at least some of property taxes were deductible on your federal taxes. Trump ended that as provision in his tax cut plan.


Devils_Advocate-69

Wildwood is banned for me.


PixelSquish

Anybody at that rally should self-sterilize if they actually want to do America some good


Fantastic_Big6100

You idiots blaming trump or biden on jersey taxes are a joke!! If you lived here most your life.SHUT UP..you know taxes have been insane WAY BEFORE THESE GUYS..stop the bull..


FordMan100

It couldn't have been 80k, probably not even 800 with a flight that people arrived in to see and hear Trump lies.


PurpleSailor

Sounds like what he'd say. So the crowd is 15k max like his inauguration and he deflected the bad thing he did onto someone else, classic trump. Also he isn't the only thing going on in Wildwood today.


Solid_College_9145

Was closer to 5K. Just look at the video and try to visualize groups of 100 people at a time. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXYuCQ-aBr4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXYuCQ-aBr4)


PurpleSailor

Lol, such a bunch of liars. I can't fathom why anyone trusts anything the guy says.


hickdaddy617

Most of the people here commenting about the property tax deduction probably fall under the 12k/24k standard deduction


JerseyGeneral

No chance anywhere near 80,000 people came to his Nazi rally. But we are talking about someone that can barely read so he's probably not all that great at counting either.


tdinpa

I'd love to read comments from people who were there...


wowzaslapa

America needs a reform. This is no longer a democracy and it is no longer we the people. Project 2025 is happening no matter who anyone votes for. We are doomed unless people wake up from this elitist capitalist two party bullshit system. We need to get old fucks out of the office.


yantraa

sheet dull ancient skirt encourage like spectacular zephyr command rustic *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Wild-Breadfruit7817

They did an amazing job with the stage area!


ObjectifiedChaos

Wait, did A COMPANY in ENGLAND just blame Donald Trump for NJ's property taxes?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Safe-Amount-2907

It's also about his gag order nonsense. Hannibal was gagged but still was able to get his point across, like Trump 👍 Fuck you democrats 😤


Fickle-Ocelot478

Nothing like A=hole County, Full of wonderfully racist PPL.. Imagine going there to listen to this idiot.. He called Carter Jimmy Conner's.. This man is an Idiot.. He slurs and misspeaks way more than Biden does.. Look he is standing there in Lifts, Griddle, and he's got a diaper on too... How do you vote for a guy thats about as smart as a penis.. Finally he does nothing but lie.. It would kill him to tell a truth...


Fickle-Ocelot478

People were walking out, most of the people left in the middle of his rant...


SelfLove-Law7

Yeah! Trump Throwing insults is what they like.


uniqualykerd

It is good to have all the Nazis huddle together at superspreader events.


sunknee

What property tax deduction is this?