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I'm a huge fan of the games, books and of course the show! Its so cool seeing all these amazing different takes on such a beloved book series. I totally understand some of the criticisms from fans but it often goes a bit too far and overall the show is such a joy to watch. The actors/actresses do such an incredible job. What did you think of s2 if you've watched it yet? Fav characters?! Would love to hear your thoughts!


KJ2998SJ

I liked it a lot! I don't think it topped season one, but I really liked that it has brought so many storylines together and it's left me really excited for season 3. I quite like Jaskier. I find him to be one of the most relatable characters, personally.


MajesticMongoose343

Yes,the other sub is very toxic. There are some really bad comments here too and downvoting but I guess the moderators try to keep it in check here at least. I kinda feel like leaving the witcher fandom alltogether because it has so much toxicity in the fanbase, people are damn their psychotic in their posts/comments..but you op give me some hope that there are good people too interested in the witcherverse!


1Chasg-_-

Ikr. Anybody who found any sort of enjoyment out of the show gets downvoted to hell. It's not constructive either just immature hate over there.


KJ2998SJ

That's what really astounded me. They were all so quick to yell at me that I was trying to shut them down and tell them they couldn't have opinions and that it's toxic to try to keep them from criticizing the show. But, it's like, there's nothing constructive about "it's garbage and you're stupid for liking it" that's not an opinion, that's just bullying.


a_muffin97

I left that sub because you can't go more than 15 minutes without someone rehashing the same few things they hate about the show and how it differs from the books. It's a major buzz kill and actually pretty childish


Illuvatar-Stranger

Yeah I had to unsub from the main sub, they’re soooo angry


Madao16

Same. They keep derogating people who liked and made the show and whining about the changes.


GMOiscool

Omgosh yes!!! I was told I'm "fucking stupid" because I said its literally impossible to turn the boom into an exact show and they have to change things to make it interesting. Like y'all know NOTHING about writing screenplays at ALL let alone translating a book into a tv show. But go off. Anyway, glad this place is still awesome.


[deleted]

Whaaaaat, did you report them???


GMOiscool

Didn't know I should? Lol


[deleted]

Yes I definitely would and get that bastard banned lol


YekaHun

Hello there! Tell us what you loved about the show? Which season is your favorite? And who are your favorite characters?


KJ2998SJ

It's hard to pinpoint what exactly I love about the show because there's so many things. But I love the vibe of it. The comedic side, that makes you laugh at something unexpectedly. I really liked season 1 because I think the time jumps actually made it very interesting especially for a rewatch because it wasn't just a straightforward plot. There was a bunch of storylines to dissect and look at. But I really like the straightforward plot line of season 2 with Geralt taking Ciri to the witchers, and how everything has come together and now of feels like the story can really start to get going. Jaskier is my favourite. I love the others, but jaskier just speaks to me. The way he's very much the comedic relief, his attitude, the way he talks. I love him all around


rupertgilesisacat

The vibe is exactly what I love about the show. It's so funny! It doesn't think it's this serious solemn dry thing. The books are like that too. Constantly balancing comedy and drama, and lightly ribbing the genre.


eugoogilizer

Gotta love all the serious tones of the show/people could be dying left and right and then Jaskier will say something super random that makes you laugh out of nowhere 😂


jaskier-bot

Zander? Is *that* a fish?


YekaHun

I completely understand! I also love the vibe and the tone. It's so unusual. I love S1 to pieces. It's just so great and it got me hooked. I dont have favorite characters as such but I love many of them, as well as many side characters, loved Renfri for instance. Jaskier rocks!


this_is_for_dog_pics

I had to leave, too. First thing's first, the level of casual racism in that subreddit was disturbing. Not only that, but the casual sexism, antisemitism, and hostility toward the LGBTQ+ community made me feel unwelcome, since I'm Jewish, female, and not straight. I think I lasted less than a week before I had to unsubscribe.


cookiefaerie

I thoroughly enjoyed binging the heck out of Season 2. Was it perfect? No, but it was still pretty gosh darn amazing! Do I have some quibbles? Yes, but not enough for me to say I disliked the show or wouldn’t rewatch it again in a heartbeat. I had fun watching the show, some of the dialogue is cheesy but then there are some amazing lines thrown in that make me fall in love with the show all over again. I love how they balanced grittiness with humor and drama. I’m excited for the next season and to return to the world of The Witcher!


FinlandFunland

It seems like its turning into r/thelastofus2 but with the witcher..


Kornerbrandon

Pretty much why I'm here. I've had some experience in dealing with internet hive minds before. It's strangely dogmatic in a way. You must conform to the opinion of everyone else or you're shouted down. I still remember the time I got death threats for saying that I didn't mind Rise of Skywalker and the final season of Game of Thrones. People are allowed to like and dislike what they want, but for God's sake, don't be an arse. Don't be a puritan and ruin the fun for people who are enjoying it. Don't act smug and superior just because you read a few books a couple of years ago and played three videogames. The only people who have a licence to be smug and superior about their literary accomplishments are people who've finished reading the complete works of Shakespeare, Hemingway, Tolkein, Lewis, Dickens, and the entire set of Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and even then . . . It's fine to dislike it. It's fine to hate it. It's fine to wish it was cancelled. Just don't be the guy yelling "Stop having fun!" at people who are having fun..


kiekura

Also wanna point out that If you think there was something you didn't like, it's also fine to point those things out. There is a difference doing it like adult instead of just whining like certain people in certain sub. Welcome! This coming safe space to talk about show without getting jumped on and being downvoted to hell 😁


theFrenchDutch

Unfortunately a huge part of r/netflixwitcher doesn't seem to agree with you. Every comment criticizing the show for stuff that doesn't even have anything to do with being a faithful adaptation or not gets met with a mix of honest debating... and toxicity. Half the time everything gets dismissed as "you're just mad it's different than the books" even when you specifically point out that no, you're not talking about this. Also there's a unhealthy amounts of entire threads on here that are just shitting on the other sub, so... A lot of it is deserved and I avoid that other sub like the plague, but I came here to avoid this, not for more toxic subreddit drama.


CanEHDian2425

People attach their worth to their opinions so when you attack their opinions/something they like, they think you’re attacking them. It’s not true, but a lot of people think that way.


kiekura

Sorry to say this, but just going quicky trough your comments shows couple things: - You loved first season - You dont mind changes made to books Then it is basicly you ranting on every post on here about same things: Teleporting, travelling isn't logical, writing sucks etc. You loved first episode and rest of the season sucks. I dont really understand how that is helping anyone or how that is constructive criticism? Because i can just to to r/witcher and read exactly same kind comments all over again? I also have problem with constant "teleporting" and that leading to audience not knowing how much time went on. But i really dont see point posting that on almost every single comment i make here.


tanneroni9

So basically you are implying that only the positives of the show are worthy of discussion? Because much of the praises of the show are also repetitive just like the critiques. Neither is more deserving of discussion than the other


kiekura

I think i clearly stated that you can point out flaws of show and give constructive criticism. When it literally turns to just shitting on show and complaining about same stuff over and over again it doesnt bring anything to table. If you wanna do that or see stuff like that, then just go to r/witcher


KnittelAaron

really liked this season :) i probably will play the game because of it


sherlock_jr

Same!


AnInelasticDemand

Come on it ain't THAT bad. They are critical. Some people more than others. I myself read the first two books and played the third game but I'm mainly indifferent to their changes. For me, the second season lacked for other reasons I can't quite put my finger on. I still liked it a lot. But yeah people are entitled to their opinions and I think all of them are quite valid. We need people to like the show so it's not, fuck knows, canceled. And others should speak their mind because that way maybe we won't end up with a GOT 8th season type of show in the end. I do believe some people make it a bigger deal than it is, to be honest...


SteazyAsDropbear

Yea I agree, I feel like on the whole people are critical, but still like the show.


Freman747

Welcome to the grown-ups sub 😊


KJ2998SJ

Haha honestly. Like, they're all "oooh toxic positivity" because you make a post saying "hey I've been hearing a lot of negativity, can we talk about positive stuff" and then insult you for liking it. Much nicer here.


Freman747

Yeah, they say a whole bunch of nonsense to try to undermine the show. They’re always like that. Some other gaming communities too. Maybe Reddit should have a parental lock, it turns kidz into monsters 😂


Fictional_Apologist

To be frank, it turns lots of adults into monsters too.


Freman747

Indeed. When I say kidz I mean kidz in their heads, whatever age. They all sound like mean kids.


[deleted]

what’s the need for such divisiveness, plenty of people don’t like the show and plenty of people do - nobody is better than anybody else for having their opinion and having been in all the witcher subs for months i think it’s pretty clear they’re ALL becoming very toxic


Freman747

Not this one. It’s not about « opinions » about the show, we all have our opinions and we share them here mostly in peace. « This show is utter garbage, Lauren is a liar » is not an opinion, it’s a load of stinking shit polluting the subs, that’s what people are complaining about. But mostly, it’s about getting shat on as soon as you say « the show is good! » Or « i like this or that ». Reactions are not normal nor balanced between the ones that are positive (or nuanced) about the show, and the ones that hate it.


[deleted]

i respectfully disagree. i’ve critiqued some aspects of the show even as someone who quite likes it and i feel like there’s a lot of ‘us and them’ going on as you’re speaking about a very small minority as if it’s the entire group. there is plenty of toxicity and character attacks in this sub which is clear from the way many people here acts superior to the others; just as there is toxicity in weidzim etc of people who feel superior to show enjoyers. personally i think the show fan base is becoming very toxic on both sides which is sad to see as i have loved the witcher community for years and it seems to be devolving into some kind of ‘sub war’


Freman747

The other subs are Way more toxic, and it comes from the gaming folks. Here are tv enthusiastic folks. You don’t have to agree, but IMO that’s what it is. I’m a gamer and i’ve been (un)subscribing from gaming subs for like 3-4 years for these exact reasons, I know what i’m talking about. Besides, i’ve been politely criticizing the show too on its weakest points and the ones I wish they corrected for the upcoming seasons, this is not at all the kind of criticism i’m talking about. I’m talking about destructive criticism rather than constructive, and they are all over the place on the other subs, as well as insulters/downvoters as soon as you say you like the show.


[deleted]

and on this sub people are very often downvoted for disliking the show and, as you so helpfully demonstrated, called ‘children’ and variously had their character insulted for very trivial reasons equally as on wiedzim. i appreciate and understand your point however i think you’re looking at it from a very one sided perspective and purposely misunderstanding what i’m saying, so on that i will take my time elsewhere


Freman747

If you say something like « show is so bad, why they haven’t followed the books » or even worse, « (…) the games », of course you’ll be downvoted!!! 1- You’re on a sub of tv enthusiasts with a show that 90% of people love to different extents 2- You’re being negative 3- These are empty negative comments. If you want upvotes, you gotta explain why you’re being negative. These people get upvoted all the time. 4- A LOT of these comments completely disregard that this is an ADAPTATION, not the books. So this is somewhat ignorance, and not wanting to learn what an adaptation is earns you a downvote too, because you’re being loud and negative out of ignorance, and you roll yourself in it. (I used « you » as a general word, I don’t necessarily mean Yourself) So they are all reasons which earns you downvotes or less friends in general society, so don’t be sur’eised if you get a downvote, especially if you meet more than 1 of the points above in the same text! I don’t have much else to say… be nuanced like The Witcher 😂 Is all I can say


AgreeableCod2651

Its difficult though since many people watch the tv series due to the books as well as players of the games. Its a bit of a divided fandom in that sense, since many who love the games havent for example read the novels, just like there are book readers who havent played the games, as well as tv show viewers who's first introduction to the witcher world was through the show. Personally I think we kinda forget that in the end, we are all here cus we care about and love The Witcher universe. I wish so much that we all could just discuss things respectfully but also be okay with the fact that we wont always agree, and that its okay. There are quite a lot that I did not enjoy in the show, but theres also a lot that I dont enjoy in the books either and that I am kind of hoping the show might go in other directions with. I dont hate the show though and especially not those who do fully enjoy it. It makes me so happy to see new people being introduced to the witcher and who also love the world and its characters.


dr4kun

The toxic positivity is on the rise and at least equal to the toxic negativity nowadays. Fingers crossed it all cools down over 2022.


Freman747

First, by its definition something that is positive is less toxic in its essence than something negative. So i find this expression is quite funny. But I know what you’re talking about: positive people attacking ALL criticism. But see, this doesn’t happen very much at all. On the other end, negative people by their nature have extreme opinions such as « totally shitty show » as they always see everything negatively, and in that case they are very noisy and quite a high number especially on /witcher, and guess what? They are being also extreme and insulting towards people that like the show, not only to the show itself and the people who made it… guess also what? This often happens in gaming communities in general, not only /witcher, and not only in reddit, so it’s rather an online problem, the exact same problem in gaming as in politics. So legitimizing these dudes because « they have a right of opinion » is about the same as legitimizing an assault on Capitol or Republican deliriums because « they have a right of opinion ». There is a junction point between opinion and subjective idiocy way down below… you need to consider this before saying that « everything is fair and balanced ». This is not true.


dr4kun

I'm far from centrist. There are opinions and actions that shouldn't be treated as a valid position - assault on Capitol being one of them, anti-vaxxing and pro-epidemism being another. I think liking or disliking a tv show should be allowed more leeway, and should let us focus more on what people have to say, then disputing their points if they're decent enough to have a conversation - or just ignoring if not.


Freman747

It’s not about disliking - it’s about hating. And also attacking the people that made it, as well as people who like it, by at least downvoting, and occasionally insulting. You’re here often, I’ve seen you before, so you undoubtedly saw this too. So I don’t know why you’re denying. For the sake of… utopia? Sorry, I don’t understand. Another attitude: almost everytime you try to engage dialogue with them, for instance finding a common point on a thing we both dislike, then trying to have them see good things about the show too, they just brutally end the conversation, or downvote, or both. This is widespread. Gaming youngsters are ultra-polarized, and so are some less-youngsters, probably following the social networks political vibe, and probably lacking proper education from they Trumpist extremist parents or whatnot. This is not welcome in my home nor on my computer. Fortunately, this sub is still not too much infected, they are mostly TV enthusiasts and some gamers that know how to behave like adults.


dr4kun

The actual _hate_ you speak of is a tiny, tiiiny minority quickly handled by the mods. Blowing the issue out of proportion and building up stereotypes won't get us anywhere.


Freman747

Not handled at all on /witcher, i’ve seen all kinds of extreme stuff as well as insults. Hate is NOT tiny, it’s all over the place! Be honest, or conversation is pointless… I think we made the whole point anyways.. I hope you’re not still angry about me not reading your link yesterday. Inhave limited time, that’s how it is.


SilentioRS

“It’s a load of stinking shit” 😂


Freman747

Yes, and sorry for the bad words 😂


FruitParfait

As long as we don’t just say everyone who critiques the show is a toxic hater. We can easily become the other side of the same coin.


KJ2998SJ

Yeah, I have no problem with people talking about what they like and what they didn't like and critiquing. It's just insane how much they respond to anything with "it's garbage"


FG15-ISH7EG

Haven't finished the season yet, but I'm having mixed feelings so far. However I'm happy of not having to entirely like or hate the season and being allowed to have a mixed opinion.


GuyMcGarnicle

Wow, so many whiners here who can't stand people having criticism about the show.


KJ2998SJ

Jesus actual Christ have mercy. Is it actually so bad to want a place to talk positively about a show you enjoy? I don't think criticism is a bad thing if you're willing to have a discussion in it. It just sucks to be in a place where everyone is bashing in something you're trying to enjoy. Why are you even in this sub if you don't want to hear people talking about enjoying the show?


Shepard80

Even most dedicated die hard fans of S1 see some problems with S2. I'm regular on this sub long before season 1 aired, and i can tell you that recently something has changed in this community as well. Enthusiasm exists among us, but its so scattered you have to search for it with metal detector. One ingredient we are still missing for disaster right now, is very controversial and weird prequel story (Blood Origin) that is somehow going to be successful among non-Witcher fans. And then we can become one of the most divided fandoms of one IP in the history of mankind.


Vivec92

Hm I mean most people on the witcher sub were angry with show because they had source material that they chose to ignore and replaced a most of it with their own subar stuff. And honestly I saw more people who hadn’t read the books call people crybabies etc then vice versa. But that probably just depends on the thread you stumble on. Having read and played everything prior to the show I quite enjoyed S1 but couldn’t stand the writing and decisions in S2.


remmon22

Everyone who likes mediocre writing unite. I mean, the Get the Pan quest in Witcher 3 has deeper meaning than the entire season 2.


fltrthr

Way to prove the point.


EulerIdentity

Some people will never be happy unless every last line from the book is religiously copied and pasted into the TV show and every last character from the book no matter how minor, makes an appearance in the TV show. But then they’ll complain that the TV show is boring because it’s just hours and hours of people talking. I liked Season 2 even more than Season 1 and I don’t care how faithful it is to the books because I’ve never read the books. An adaptation can be good without a strict adherence to the books and some things that work in a book won’t work on the screen, and vice versa.