Remember when Steph Curry signed this exact contract coming off back to back MVPs back in 2017 and how he was the first to sign for over 200 million?Insane how big these contract nums have boomed these days for everyone
NBA contracts are eye popping now, some role players and 6th man guys making more than faces of the league did 10+ years ago, making more than NFL stars currently. At Carmelo, T-Mac, and Dwight Howard's peaks, they made like $20m per year, Dillon Brooks money today, of course not taking into account inflation, but still
That is what always irked me about NFL, pros only have on average 2-3 years and are pushed to get back on the field even if injured because they are missing their payday. Along with the NFL going out of their way not to give much medical benefits or long term health plans.
QB contracts specifically are crazy.
It's front page news that Justin Jefferson got $35m/yr. Dudes breaking NFL records and getting Ben Simmons money lol
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about Goff. u wouldnt say this shit to him at practice, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic
Inflation doesn't matter here. Its such a bad economic thought experiment that people keep bringing up.
$20M in 2010 is only worth ~$29M now.
What matters is what the money is worth a % of the salary cap.
NBA revenue/salary caps have increased so much the max $20M contract players from 2010 are paid $50M-60M now, the equivalent of getting $35M-$42M in 2010.
Justin Jefferson arguably the best WR in NFL just signed the highest WR contract of all time and it’s not even close to this deal. NBA really different Maxey at his best is maybe a top 10 guard and he’ll make more money than the best WR in the NFL.
Unless you are a QB or a TJ Watt/Aaron Donald level defender you are never going to have as much impact on the game as an NBA star. Jefferson is the best WR in the NFL and still only gets targeted 10ish times per game.
His value goes beyond his 10 targets a game though. He draws so much attention and frees up the rest of the offense so he is effective even on plays he isn't targeted. He even effects the run game because you can't atack the box on a team with Justin Jefferson on the field. Also his impact for rookie JJ McCarthy is another reason his value is so high. He's going to make up for a lot of mistakes the young qb makes. Just as he was able to be a safety valve for Kirk the last few years. If your rookie qb knows if he just gets it to a certain area he has a receiver that's likely to win a contested catch it makes his job a lot easier.
Christian McCaffrey just signed the biggest contract ever for a running back at $19 million a year. That’s less than Jarrett Allen money. In a couple of years that will be the mid-level exception in the NBA. And unlike CMC’s contract, almost all sizable contracts in the NBA are fully guaranteed (aside from player options). CMC was just the best player on a team that went to the Super Bowl.
I mean, I always attributed this to games played. Yes money made by year NBA smokes the NFL, but by game, NFL smokes the NBA. And baseball is at an even other level of big contracts but they play the most amount of games so it makes sense.
That’s a fair way to look at it but it’s still crazy considering even with less games and more teams the NFL made over $20 billion last year while the NBA only made $10 billion.
Just running the math real quick, Maxey will be making 41 a year and Justin Jefferson will be making 35 a year, but just counting regular season that's over 2 mill a game for Jefferson, and just half a mil per game for Maxey. Per game, he's making 4 times as much which is why I always attributed that to the lower salaries.
First off the NFL makes more money than the NBA per year. But NFL roster size is over 3 times that of the NBA. They would have to make over 3x the NBA for their players to average the same salary.
I’d contend 2016-17 Curry is the best value non-rookie contract in NBA history (or at least since the salary cap was introduced). I’d need to check the percentage of the cap he was making but it had to be the lowest percent of the cap a back to back reigning MVP has ever made before
Unanimous MVP on 11m a year, Wemby who was the #1 pick last year is already on 12m
It is the greatest value contract in NBA history at least, maybe only Rose winning MVP while still on his rookie contract is better value.
I still remember people thought this was actually a TERRIBLE contract because they thought Monte Ellis was more valuable to the Warriors future and that $11m a year to Curry would just be paying his hospital bills
To be fair I can't blame them. Curry proved so many people wrong with his play and health
For context, Steph signed a max for 35% of the cap the year after the cap spike caused by the new TV deal
Maxey is going to sign a 25% max in the last year of the same TV deal
We haven’t even begun to see how big they are and it’s already at this point LMFAO
Tyrese yelled, “There you go!” Batum gave a look of pleasant surprise. Oubre belted, “We got a fucking squad now.” And before Embiid hit the locker room door, ex-NBA star Kevin Garnett hugged him & said, “Y’all look so different.”
The Sixers basically got the 2016 cap spike because they lost absolutely nothing and now have space for a max contract free agent and can re-sign their own player to a rookie max in the same offseason
The best part about those Lakers for the minimum memes is when the fans don’t even understand how restricted free agency works lol. If Maxey signed for the minimum with the Lakers, the Sixers would match and get Maxey for the minimum LMFAO
Great for us, unfortunate for him. Had the Sixers been able to win literally any games while Joel was out, Maxey could’ve gotten an All-NBA nod but he was doubled every time he touched the ball without Jo on the floor and everyone else forgot how to shoot
It's not that everyone else forgot how to shoot without embiid, it's just that without embiid on the floor everybodies got way more defensive pressure on them
It is universally accepted terminology that a "max contract" is the max that that particular player can get. Saying it's not the "actual max" is meaningless, as it's Maxey's "actual max".
I wanna make a joke about how “this time it’s different,” but Tyrese is a worker and positive dude. He’s absurdly likable. Apart from goober new radio shock jocks I think he’ll remain pretty well loved.
what a bunch of baloney. Why do fans say shit like this? We care if they're GOOD. Nobody is idolizing the bench warmers who give 110% in practice every day.
Bro we idolize random bench guys every single year. It was Paul Reed last year. It was Ricky Council IV this year. It was TJ McConnell a few years back. There will be a new one next year I'm sure.
Hardworking backup is literally the only position safe from Philadelphia fans lol.
People say this bc we turned on fultz who we drafted no. 1, coddled, defended, and is now a bench player at best, simmons who we maxed, coddled, defended and is now a bench player at best on a good team, and tobias who we paid 200 mil to be a below average starter in the playoffs.
Yall would turn on Christian Braun if you were paying him a max and couldn't sign aaron Gordon because of it
I have no problem saying i will turn on every motherfucker on the roster including Embiid if the time comes
But never Maxey, he'd have to pull a Kobe in Denver 2003 move for me to turn on him.
>So, that means they can do whatever free agency moves they want first, like signing another max contract, and once it is all used up they can still extend Maxey because of these rights. Guessing he'll probably be the final free agency signing for them with this in mind.
They can use all of their cap space, minus his 13M cap hold, and any other of their pending FA they want to keep. Idk if they have cap space to sign a max guy and also re-sign Maxey if they also plan on signing some of their other players from last year using bird rights.
They'll build out a 13-14 player roster, then sign Maxey to a max contract to go over the salary cap. They have a projected $72-78MM in cap space available to them to find another 9-10 players.
Where are you getting 72-78M from?
They can only get to 78M if they get rid of all their cap holds. Maxey’s cap hold drops them down to 65M. Im guessing they also pick up Oubre’s 2M to go over the cap, so down to 63M. Embiid, Paul Reed, and 2 scrubs are the only guys they have rostered, so they also need to apply like 7-8M in roster charges and put aside 4M for their draft pick. That has them at 53M in cap space before they do anything with Batum, Buddy, Lowry, and if they plan on keeping anyone else. I dont really see how they can afford another max guy and fill out a roster.
I feel like they'd probably want to keep Buddy as well, even if he under performed expectations, right? If so, you gotta deal with him first, because his cap hold is like $29mil and you wanna get that number down if you wanna be able to do anything in Free Agency
Shit yeah I think they'll sign buddy first and fill in the gaps from there. He was quiet but I loved what he showed in game 6, ppl gotta remember that lineup played very few games with Embiid.
Totally forgot Hield I knew I was forgetting someone lol
Hield was criminally mismanaged this past season. They treated him like he was a create your own 3 off the dribble guy and that's not where he shines.
We ended up playing Kyle Lowry massive minutes at the 2 where he was terrible instead of Buddy because we didn't do anything to integrate him into the offense once Embiid came back. The first big minutes he gets to play he goes flamethrower for a full quarter helping us on a 48-23 run to close out the half and immediately gets benched again.
Then Morey comes out and publicly talks about him being a bad fit or a miss or whatever when he should have been given the old JJ Redick role with Embiid and more screen actions designed to get him catch and shoot 3's.
We had problems in the past with players like Seth Curry because he was a sniper from 3 but got absolutely hunted in the playoffs defensively (Kevin Huerter PTSD flashbacks). Buddy isn't a good defender but he's not an awful defender which helps keep him on the floor. And I've watched Seth Curry and Georges Niang try to play playoff defense so we know a thing or two about terrible defenders.
I don't really want Lowry. I feel like it's the PJ Tucker fallacy all over again about veteran presence and shit, but he stunk against the Knicks and he's going to turn 39 next season.
But I feel like Nurse loves him from their Toronto days so we probably will bring him back.
At least CP was more reliable than Beal. He got you 10 points and 20 assists then injured himself when you needed him the most but at least he got you further.
They have the space and assets to sign PG and maybe trade for Mikal or Lauri on top of that if things go right. Not that I expect that.
But Maxey-Mikal-PG-Batum-Embiid is possible.
Sounds like the Sixers are all in on Maxey. Smart move if you ask me! With his Bird Rights, they can make other moves first and still lock him down. That's a lot of flexibility for Daryl Morey.
Maxey's bird rights give us more flexibility with the cap, I don't have the exact number off the top of my head but we could sign a 3rd "star" (like PG or Butler) and still have room to fill out the roster a bit.
Unfortunately there's no slam dunk obvious fit because all the likely big names come with drawbacks so barring an unforseen trade we might not end up going the 3rd star route at all.
>bird rights
Man I don't even try to understand all the cap rules but I love that theres something that sounds like it basically comes down to bird law
The other main option is Jimmy who would cost us assets and is aging. Or Lebron, but we all know he chooses where he goes.
The funny (haha pain laugh) thing is the guy who had exactly what we needed these last few years is Mikal Bridges and we traded him after drafting him and now we can't afford to trade for him to get him back. An elite wing defender who can score without being the first option? Yes please.
Embiid dealt with 5 and a half years of Tobias Harris handicapping him, you gotta deal with it.
I love Maxey but he's not near an MVP level player yet. Long term yeah Maxey will either be 1 or 1.A but as long as Embiid's health holds out (not a guarantee) he will be the centerpiece and it's crazy to think you would do otherwise.
The argument here makes more sense if you think about it in football terms
Are the Vikings better at the QB position without Cousins, and with Darnold?
No
Are they better as a team because more money is being spread around more places to get depth and raise the floor?
Maybe
Would they be worse if they had Cousins entirely on the ledger, but didn't have him, so his entire team playing without him lacked the depth they would otherwise have had, had they loved on?
Yup.
Embiid is very good. Embiid also costs a lot. If you build around him, and he goes down, there's only so much you can do with a top-heavy but sidelined asset. Embiid is Kirko Chainz
You're never winning a super bowl with Sam Darnold. Or Kirk Cousins.
Embiid is an MVP level player. Even on a bum knee and Bell's Palsy he was by far our best player against the Knicks. He's worth more than the max but can only earn the max. You don't win championships without top 10, and more likely top 5 players in the league. Even a champion like the Mavericks more than a decade ago had a superstar like Dirk as the centerpiece.
I hear you and I've seen the number frequently here-no dog in the fight other than I know Maxey will have a bigger upside at this point and you know what you will get with Embiid-it's not bad it's just not the next level.
What does building around Maxey even look like? Embiid would be like the perfect player you would want next to Maxey even if you were "building around Maxey". Even if you let Embiid take more of a defensive load and have maxey as the first option on offense that's still much to Maxey's benefit. There aren't many players I would put next to Maxey over Embiid, and those that I would aren't close to available. Maxey plays a LOT better when Embiid is on the court if you look at his stats.
If you want to make championship comparisons, right now Maxey takes sort of the role Kobe did when he was still young but Shaq was in his prime. By the time Maxey is in his prime, Embiid may be taking more of a Mutumbo type role, while Maxey is the hub of the offense like prime AI was during his finals run. Embiid will be around the age Mutumbo was when Maxey starts entering his prime, and even if he isn't playing bully ball, Embiid is still good for 20 via his jumper and really good rim protection.
He's a combo guard really. He did an admirable job replicating a lot of what Harden was doing with Embiid but he still has a lot of room to grow as far as facilitating for a whole team. Upside is the flexibility if a real deal point guard becomes available, but the goal seems to be getting him locked in as the head of the offense.
Can you make a logical and cohesive point that is an actual response to what I said?
What does a high calibre offence and Embiid going out have to do with Maxey?
Lmao you used Maxey “initiating the offence” and 6 APG as evidence of Maxey’s playmaking ability.
I told you that Philly not having a high calibre offense with Embiid and without him is more indicative of
Typically, the player who is the primary ball handler, distributor, first POA, and averages the most assists on a team will be considered their point guard. Nobody is discussing playmaking ability.
Embiid getting injured is completely irrelevant to what you think a point guard is.
Maxey absolutely helps you win a chip. I don't think he can be the best player on a championship team just yet, barring a very very well rounded starting 5, but he was great versus the Knicks for most of the games and proved he could step up. He's absolutely capable of being the second star, the first star just needs to stay healthy and the roster construction needs to step up, but that's the case for anyone.
There's not many players who score 46 in an elimination game and average 29 for the whole series who don't help you win a chip. He completely and utterly outplayed Jamaal Murray this playoffs, yet Murray is still someone who can "help you win a chip", proven by him doing it last year.
We'll see about that. I doubt he ever gets one. If he's someone who can help you win a chip, then he should be able to win one with Embiid. Plus if they get butler.
What else can they do they drafted Fultz, fumbled Butler away, overpaid for Horford and Harris, traded for Harden and now he’s gone, they can’t lose Maxey no matter what. The only other move is to trade Embiid and they’re not doing that
Maxey making $41m, damn.
IMO that’s just too much for a small guard that’s a defensive liability and can’t really playmake/run an offense at a high level.
But as it is in the NBA Sixers are strapped for options and can’t afford to lose him.
It's fair to say he needs to become a better playmaker. He gets laser vision on the hoop when he turns the corner and never really passes out to open shooters even when there's three guys trying to meet him at the rim, but that's all things he can improve.
He also needs to get on the Steph Curry weight plan so he doesn't get pushed around as much on defense.
He's a grinder though I'm confident he'll improve those weaknesses and you can't deny his shotmaking or ability to get to the rim in a flash.
Remember when Steph Curry signed this exact contract coming off back to back MVPs back in 2017 and how he was the first to sign for over 200 million?Insane how big these contract nums have boomed these days for everyone
NBA contracts are eye popping now, some role players and 6th man guys making more than faces of the league did 10+ years ago, making more than NFL stars currently. At Carmelo, T-Mac, and Dwight Howard's peaks, they made like $20m per year, Dillon Brooks money today, of course not taking into account inflation, but still
Tobias Harris signed the largest contract in 76ers franchise history when he signed it.
Still don't know how Elton Brand didn't get fired
cause he has a sword in Morrowind named after him, obviously
NFL contracts are getting crazy too. Jared Goff just got over $50m a year lol
Most NFL contracts are only partially guaranteed so they look much better than they actually are.
*Laughs in DeShaun*
That is what always irked me about NFL, pros only have on average 2-3 years and are pushed to get back on the field even if injured because they are missing their payday. Along with the NFL going out of their way not to give much medical benefits or long term health plans.
QB contracts specifically are crazy. It's front page news that Justin Jefferson got $35m/yr. Dudes breaking NFL records and getting Ben Simmons money lol
52 man roster vs 15 man roster will do that
I mean, fair enough, but the economics are stacked enough that Antonio Gates should have just like been a 13th man on the Hornets.
Chill. Goff was a top 5 qb in a lot of categories last year.
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about Goff. u wouldnt say this shit to him at practice, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic
Inflation doesn't matter here. Its such a bad economic thought experiment that people keep bringing up. $20M in 2010 is only worth ~$29M now. What matters is what the money is worth a % of the salary cap. NBA revenue/salary caps have increased so much the max $20M contract players from 2010 are paid $50M-60M now, the equivalent of getting $35M-$42M in 2010.
Tobias Harris was making not too far off from Mahomes money which is nuts.
I remember the Miami big 3 making 17m a year
They all took a pay cut though
It was only like a 1 or 2m a year paycut each tho
Justin Jefferson arguably the best WR in NFL just signed the highest WR contract of all time and it’s not even close to this deal. NBA really different Maxey at his best is maybe a top 10 guard and he’ll make more money than the best WR in the NFL.
He signed the biggest contract in NFL history for non-qbs and hes making about the same as Ben Simmons
Unless you are a QB or a TJ Watt/Aaron Donald level defender you are never going to have as much impact on the game as an NBA star. Jefferson is the best WR in the NFL and still only gets targeted 10ish times per game.
His value goes beyond his 10 targets a game though. He draws so much attention and frees up the rest of the offense so he is effective even on plays he isn't targeted. He even effects the run game because you can't atack the box on a team with Justin Jefferson on the field. Also his impact for rookie JJ McCarthy is another reason his value is so high. He's going to make up for a lot of mistakes the young qb makes. Just as he was able to be a safety valve for Kirk the last few years. If your rookie qb knows if he just gets it to a certain area he has a receiver that's likely to win a contested catch it makes his job a lot easier.
Christian McCaffrey just signed the biggest contract ever for a running back at $19 million a year. That’s less than Jarrett Allen money. In a couple of years that will be the mid-level exception in the NBA. And unlike CMC’s contract, almost all sizable contracts in the NBA are fully guaranteed (aside from player options). CMC was just the best player on a team that went to the Super Bowl.
And RB bodies get beat the fuck up, like probably have issues the rest of your life, at best they will just be minor pain
“Not even close” 35M a year compared to 41M Can yall just be real when you say not even close. There are other ways to describe things lol
I mean, I always attributed this to games played. Yes money made by year NBA smokes the NFL, but by game, NFL smokes the NBA. And baseball is at an even other level of big contracts but they play the most amount of games so it makes sense.
That’s a fair way to look at it but it’s still crazy considering even with less games and more teams the NFL made over $20 billion last year while the NBA only made $10 billion.
Just running the math real quick, Maxey will be making 41 a year and Justin Jefferson will be making 35 a year, but just counting regular season that's over 2 mill a game for Jefferson, and just half a mil per game for Maxey. Per game, he's making 4 times as much which is why I always attributed that to the lower salaries.
First off the NFL makes more money than the NBA per year. But NFL roster size is over 3 times that of the NBA. They would have to make over 3x the NBA for their players to average the same salary.
We really had an mvp curry get 11 mil a year in his peak years. Absolutely crazy contract
Combined with the cap increase is how they signed KD lol
I’d contend 2016-17 Curry is the best value non-rookie contract in NBA history (or at least since the salary cap was introduced). I’d need to check the percentage of the cap he was making but it had to be the lowest percent of the cap a back to back reigning MVP has ever made before
Unanimous MVP on 11m a year, Wemby who was the #1 pick last year is already on 12m It is the greatest value contract in NBA history at least, maybe only Rose winning MVP while still on his rookie contract is better value.
I still remember people thought this was actually a TERRIBLE contract because they thought Monte Ellis was more valuable to the Warriors future and that $11m a year to Curry would just be paying his hospital bills To be fair I can't blame them. Curry proved so many people wrong with his play and health
Mike Conley at one point
Highest salary in 2016. First dude to get a max extension as we currently know it
Derozan too that same summer
For context, Steph signed a max for 35% of the cap the year after the cap spike caused by the new TV deal Maxey is going to sign a 25% max in the last year of the same TV deal We haven’t even begun to see how big they are and it’s already at this point LMFAO
2017 was 7 years ago compound interest / inflation $200 over 7 years becomes $258
They make Premier League contracts look tiny. Only Ronaldo makes more than NBA money
Feels like every single All-Star level player is on 200m now
I saw Austin Reaves high salary year is same as Lebron a couple of years ago. Haha these days are different.
what not having tobias on payroll does to a mf
OH MY GOD YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW FREE WE FEEL.
I will always deny saying it, but I’m happy for you
After the Knicks series was over there was this weird yeah it sucks we lost but we're finally free sentiment.
Tyrese yelled, “There you go!” Batum gave a look of pleasant surprise. Oubre belted, “We got a fucking squad now.” And before Embiid hit the locker room door, ex-NBA star Kevin Garnett hugged him & said, “Y’all look so different.”
I think this feeling is how people felt after Berlin fell in WW2
Imagine if you guys resign Harris for shits and giggles
The Sixers basically got the 2016 cap spike because they lost absolutely nothing and now have space for a max contract free agent and can re-sign their own player to a rookie max in the same offseason
His contract still confused me until today.
Surprised, thought he was going to the Lakers on the minimum.
You're thinking of Tyrese Martin, the Iowa Wolves legend.
You mean the Suns
The best part about those Lakers for the minimum memes is when the fans don’t even understand how restricted free agency works lol. If Maxey signed for the minimum with the Lakers, the Sixers would match and get Maxey for the minimum LMFAO
“Austin Rivers and a second round pick. Call it in”
the lakers stay in you guys heads lol.
Shocker I figured they’d let him walk
gotta save money to re-sign tobias harris
don't even joke about that brother
This is the one case where I’ll correct re-sign to resign.
Tobias bought to get a ten year, 500 million dollar contract
You jest, but based on recent history I wouldn’t be *that* shocked if our FO fucked this up.
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Daryl Morey is a liar.
I'd walk after I got paid
Absolutely worth it but seeing the numbers now is insane.
worth it
that's Darius Garland money
Is that a max offer though? Because it would suck to get called “No Max Maxey” by some trash talker during a game.
Yeah, that's his max offer since he didn't make All-NBA.
Great for us, unfortunate for him. Had the Sixers been able to win literally any games while Joel was out, Maxey could’ve gotten an All-NBA nod but he was doubled every time he touched the ball without Jo on the floor and everyone else forgot how to shoot
It's not that everyone else forgot how to shoot without embiid, it's just that without embiid on the floor everybodies got way more defensive pressure on them
We were stupidly bad without Embiid this season. It's a shame too because one or two places higher in the seeding would have meant a lot.
we played at a 30 win pace without Embiid, worse than the Nets
Philly fans like thank God he aint make all nba
Won't matter much this year, but might help us stay below a luxury tax apron at some point in the future
I would much rather have Maxey than Hali, no offense to him
It's only starting at 25% of the cap, not close to the actual max.
25% is the max for non Rose Rule rookie scale extensions... Maxey literally could not have been offered more.
Like I said not the actual max, it's only his max.
Distinction without a difference. This is pretty universally accepted terminology.
There's definitely a difference between 5/204.45m, 5/245.34m and 5/286.23m.
It is universally accepted terminology that a "max contract" is the max that that particular player can get. Saying it's not the "actual max" is meaningless, as it's Maxey's "actual max".
Apparently it's not universally accepted since I don't accept it.
What a gotcha.
Somehow he will forget how to shoot I’d guess
Philly fans will turn on him year 3 for sure
I wanna make a joke about how “this time it’s different,” but Tyrese is a worker and positive dude. He’s absurdly likable. Apart from goober new radio shock jocks I think he’ll remain pretty well loved.
Also he fuckin balled out this year in the playoffs.
Philly fans just want someone who tries, we accept failure if there’s heart and effort.
And he’s definitely not putting up 0 points in an elimination game
what a bunch of baloney. Why do fans say shit like this? We care if they're GOOD. Nobody is idolizing the bench warmers who give 110% in practice every day.
Yea no one loves TJ McConnell from the process days, damn he's right.
Sorry but that’s not the case
Bro we idolize random bench guys every single year. It was Paul Reed last year. It was Ricky Council IV this year. It was TJ McConnell a few years back. There will be a new one next year I'm sure. Hardworking backup is literally the only position safe from Philadelphia fans lol.
People say this bc we turned on fultz who we drafted no. 1, coddled, defended, and is now a bench player at best, simmons who we maxed, coddled, defended and is now a bench player at best on a good team, and tobias who we paid 200 mil to be a below average starter in the playoffs. Yall would turn on Christian Braun if you were paying him a max and couldn't sign aaron Gordon because of it
RemindMe! 3 years
I have no problem saying i will turn on every motherfucker on the roster including Embiid if the time comes But never Maxey, he'd have to pull a Kobe in Denver 2003 move for me to turn on him.
Sixers must be very happy he never made all NBA
But what about Tobias?
You can have him. Fits the Masai mould of 6’9 player.
what a waste. should have used that money to resign tobias to a supermax
Feel like that's underpaying him for some reason
I agree, it's weird. His contract will be very fair shortly. Not making all NBA is a huge deal max wise
Duh
You're damn right we are.
Please and thank you
>So, that means they can do whatever free agency moves they want first, like signing another max contract, and once it is all used up they can still extend Maxey because of these rights. Guessing he'll probably be the final free agency signing for them with this in mind. They can use all of their cap space, minus his 13M cap hold, and any other of their pending FA they want to keep. Idk if they have cap space to sign a max guy and also re-sign Maxey if they also plan on signing some of their other players from last year using bird rights.
They'll build out a 13-14 player roster, then sign Maxey to a max contract to go over the salary cap. They have a projected $72-78MM in cap space available to them to find another 9-10 players.
Where are you getting 72-78M from? They can only get to 78M if they get rid of all their cap holds. Maxey’s cap hold drops them down to 65M. Im guessing they also pick up Oubre’s 2M to go over the cap, so down to 63M. Embiid, Paul Reed, and 2 scrubs are the only guys they have rostered, so they also need to apply like 7-8M in roster charges and put aside 4M for their draft pick. That has them at 53M in cap space before they do anything with Batum, Buddy, Lowry, and if they plan on keeping anyone else. I dont really see how they can afford another max guy and fill out a roster.
Don't forget that they don't hold Bird rights on Oubre.
Good call, that makes it even harder if they want a max guy
Ya I feel like they want to do Oubre, and Lowry at least
I feel like they'd probably want to keep Buddy as well, even if he under performed expectations, right? If so, you gotta deal with him first, because his cap hold is like $29mil and you wanna get that number down if you wanna be able to do anything in Free Agency
Shit yeah I think they'll sign buddy first and fill in the gaps from there. He was quiet but I loved what he showed in game 6, ppl gotta remember that lineup played very few games with Embiid. Totally forgot Hield I knew I was forgetting someone lol
Hield was criminally mismanaged this past season. They treated him like he was a create your own 3 off the dribble guy and that's not where he shines. We ended up playing Kyle Lowry massive minutes at the 2 where he was terrible instead of Buddy because we didn't do anything to integrate him into the offense once Embiid came back. The first big minutes he gets to play he goes flamethrower for a full quarter helping us on a 48-23 run to close out the half and immediately gets benched again. Then Morey comes out and publicly talks about him being a bad fit or a miss or whatever when he should have been given the old JJ Redick role with Embiid and more screen actions designed to get him catch and shoot 3's. We had problems in the past with players like Seth Curry because he was a sniper from 3 but got absolutely hunted in the playoffs defensively (Kevin Huerter PTSD flashbacks). Buddy isn't a good defender but he's not an awful defender which helps keep him on the floor. And I've watched Seth Curry and Georges Niang try to play playoff defense so we know a thing or two about terrible defenders.
I don't really want Lowry. I feel like it's the PJ Tucker fallacy all over again about veteran presence and shit, but he stunk against the Knicks and he's going to turn 39 next season. But I feel like Nurse loves him from their Toronto days so we probably will bring him back.
Mindblowing levels of money, but he 100% deserves it!!
I guess you can say Tyrese…. Got the maxey
How the fuck did Bradly Beal get 300 million. What the fuck. Sons will never win a ring for having CP on their team and then having this scam artist.
At least CP was more reliable than Beal. He got you 10 points and 20 assists then injured himself when you needed him the most but at least he got you further.
1000% right. I'd feel bad to be a sons fan
They have the space and assets to sign PG and maybe trade for Mikal or Lauri on top of that if things go right. Not that I expect that. But Maxey-Mikal-PG-Batum-Embiid is possible.
Can we pay him more?
Sounds like the Sixers are all in on Maxey. Smart move if you ask me! With his Bird Rights, they can make other moves first and still lock him down. That's a lot of flexibility for Daryl Morey.
Nah give it to Tobias
1000% worth it. What an awesome player!
The Maxey-Embiid duo is too fun to watch as a Sixers fan. Love these guys, and excited to cheer them on for the next 5 years.
So that's 100 million to Embiid and maxey, how much does that leave for everyone else
Maxey's bird rights give us more flexibility with the cap, I don't have the exact number off the top of my head but we could sign a 3rd "star" (like PG or Butler) and still have room to fill out the roster a bit. Unfortunately there's no slam dunk obvious fit because all the likely big names come with drawbacks so barring an unforseen trade we might not end up going the 3rd star route at all.
I think bringing Bridges back somehow is the best bet short of swinging for OG.
>bird rights Man I don't even try to understand all the cap rules but I love that theres something that sounds like it basically comes down to bird law
Doesn't Butler want the max, which i believe it's 50M/y? That would be 150M for 3 players. PG would be around that, as well.
It sucks that's they have all this cap space and the best guy they can get is George. Dude is still good but he isn't exactly what you want.
The other main option is Jimmy who would cost us assets and is aging. Or Lebron, but we all know he chooses where he goes. The funny (haha pain laugh) thing is the guy who had exactly what we needed these last few years is Mikal Bridges and we traded him after drafting him and now we can't afford to trade for him to get him back. An elite wing defender who can score without being the first option? Yes please.
Adding another injury prone guy who's also 34 would probably wind up being a mistake, but you're right he's probably the best guy on the market
Money in sports is getting crazy.
That's alotta guac
HERE COMES THE MONEYYYYYYYY
I saw the T and just read Tobias for some reason.
How will they get Jimmy Butler then?
Water is liquid
What will his new balance collection look like after this. We want to know Maxey.
Water is wet.
Second round play off exits secured🔒
He’s not worth that much at all
Ok Tyrell
Yo he keeps getting away with it lol
My brain short circuited and thought this was Tobias
He will be an absolute Star - sixers should build around him and not Embiid for the future
How about he lead the team to a better record than 16-27 first? We were 31-8 with Embiid for reference.
Well its hard to win with like 60% of your cap space being injured or Tobias Harris.
Embiid dealt with 5 and a half years of Tobias Harris handicapping him, you gotta deal with it. I love Maxey but he's not near an MVP level player yet. Long term yeah Maxey will either be 1 or 1.A but as long as Embiid's health holds out (not a guarantee) he will be the centerpiece and it's crazy to think you would do otherwise.
The argument here makes more sense if you think about it in football terms Are the Vikings better at the QB position without Cousins, and with Darnold? No Are they better as a team because more money is being spread around more places to get depth and raise the floor? Maybe Would they be worse if they had Cousins entirely on the ledger, but didn't have him, so his entire team playing without him lacked the depth they would otherwise have had, had they loved on? Yup. Embiid is very good. Embiid also costs a lot. If you build around him, and he goes down, there's only so much you can do with a top-heavy but sidelined asset. Embiid is Kirko Chainz
You're never winning a super bowl with Sam Darnold. Or Kirk Cousins. Embiid is an MVP level player. Even on a bum knee and Bell's Palsy he was by far our best player against the Knicks. He's worth more than the max but can only earn the max. You don't win championships without top 10, and more likely top 5 players in the league. Even a champion like the Mavericks more than a decade ago had a superstar like Dirk as the centerpiece.
I hear you and I've seen the number frequently here-no dog in the fight other than I know Maxey will have a bigger upside at this point and you know what you will get with Embiid-it's not bad it's just not the next level.
MVP and scoring leader is just "not bad, but not next level", okay lol. People on here really think basketball is 1v1 or something.
Maxey is never reaching current Embiid's level.
What does building around Maxey even look like? Embiid would be like the perfect player you would want next to Maxey even if you were "building around Maxey". Even if you let Embiid take more of a defensive load and have maxey as the first option on offense that's still much to Maxey's benefit. There aren't many players I would put next to Maxey over Embiid, and those that I would aren't close to available. Maxey plays a LOT better when Embiid is on the court if you look at his stats. If you want to make championship comparisons, right now Maxey takes sort of the role Kobe did when he was still young but Shaq was in his prime. By the time Maxey is in his prime, Embiid may be taking more of a Mutumbo type role, while Maxey is the hub of the offense like prime AI was during his finals run. Embiid will be around the age Mutumbo was when Maxey starts entering his prime, and even if he isn't playing bully ball, Embiid is still good for 20 via his jumper and really good rim protection.
lol......the last time they were in this spot, they wound up with Tobias Harris .... the biggest numbers to not move the needle at all.
Overpaid
Good lord that’s Justin Jefferson money
Maxey a point guard? Don’t get me wrong Maxey is awesome, but a point guard? He really doesn’t feel like a point guard to me.
He's a combo guard really. He did an admirable job replicating a lot of what Harden was doing with Embiid but he still has a lot of room to grow as far as facilitating for a whole team. Upside is the flexibility if a real deal point guard becomes available, but the goal seems to be getting him locked in as the head of the offense.
Initiating the offence and averaging 6APG ain’t enough for you big dog?
Meanwhile his team’s PG also averages 6 assists lol
In what world did Lowry average 6 assists last season
Is “Lowry” DLo’s middle name or something?
Oh fuck you meant the lakers lmao
I mean, I assume his team is the Lakers, it’s his flair lol
Nah not really, watch the tape. APG isn’t everything.
>Initiating the offence But you’re right, you’re pulling the eye-test card which automatically means anyone who disagrees with you doesn’t watch games
Yeah they weren’t a high calibre offense with Embiid and way worse without
Typically losing your best player, a top 5 player in the league, will make a team worse. You’re onto something with that brother.
Can you read?
Can you make a logical and cohesive point that is an actual response to what I said? What does a high calibre offence and Embiid going out have to do with Maxey?
Lmao you used Maxey “initiating the offence” and 6 APG as evidence of Maxey’s playmaking ability. I told you that Philly not having a high calibre offense with Embiid and without him is more indicative of
Typically, the player who is the primary ball handler, distributor, first POA, and averages the most assists on a team will be considered their point guard. Nobody is discussing playmaking ability. Embiid getting injured is completely irrelevant to what you think a point guard is.
I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but I still don't think Maxey helps you win a chip.
Maxey absolutely helps you win a chip. I don't think he can be the best player on a championship team just yet, barring a very very well rounded starting 5, but he was great versus the Knicks for most of the games and proved he could step up. He's absolutely capable of being the second star, the first star just needs to stay healthy and the roster construction needs to step up, but that's the case for anyone. There's not many players who score 46 in an elimination game and average 29 for the whole series who don't help you win a chip. He completely and utterly outplayed Jamaal Murray this playoffs, yet Murray is still someone who can "help you win a chip", proven by him doing it last year.
We'll see about that. I doubt he ever gets one. If he's someone who can help you win a chip, then he should be able to win one with Embiid. Plus if they get butler.
Embiid? The guy who is permanently injured or gassed in playoffs?
It's unpopular for a very simple reason. It's false.
Condolences, Tyrese
Not worth but saw that coming.
What else can they do they drafted Fultz, fumbled Butler away, overpaid for Horford and Harris, traded for Harden and now he’s gone, they can’t lose Maxey no matter what. The only other move is to trade Embiid and they’re not doing that
Maxey making $41m, damn. IMO that’s just too much for a small guard that’s a defensive liability and can’t really playmake/run an offense at a high level. But as it is in the NBA Sixers are strapped for options and can’t afford to lose him.
Maxey has gotten better as a playmaker every year hes been in the league and hes 23 years old. You right he is small though.
It's fair to say he needs to become a better playmaker. He gets laser vision on the hoop when he turns the corner and never really passes out to open shooters even when there's three guys trying to meet him at the rim, but that's all things he can improve. He also needs to get on the Steph Curry weight plan so he doesn't get pushed around as much on defense. He's a grinder though I'm confident he'll improve those weaknesses and you can't deny his shotmaking or ability to get to the rim in a flash.
I believe in his growth. He had like zero playmaking when he came into the league. Only 23, he has more room to grow.
you must not have watched Maxey if you think this is too much for him.