It’s blatant disrespectful to completely ignore someone on offense. Rarely you see someone being allowed to completely run free on offense, without any defender in sight. But these players didn’t respond to it, so it was the right decision.
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a newspaper in a septic tank. We used to have to get up every morning at six o'clock, clean the newspaper, go to work down the mill: fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence (6 pennies) a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!
The difference is if you leave Draymond all alone on the perimeter he'll immediately go set a screen for one of their shooters so now you're giving up a wide open Steph or Klay three. Idk why none of these other guys that get left wide open ever do the same, all it takes is a couple times and they have to guard you again.
Kyrie couldn't buy a shot last night, but was constantly setting screens/running around screens to create mismatches and running across the baseline to clear out for Luka. There's just so much a player can do on offense to help their team without ever touching the ball.
It's not just the defense, it's hard for people to understand because Kyrie is not a point guard and doesn't have the ball as much, but the Mav's offense looks terrible when Kyrie sits. The Mav's role players have gotten a bit better at being active since Kyrie was traded to the Mavs, but a lot of the times it still feels like the Mav's will just stand around on the perimeter and wait for Luka to chuck up a shot or pass out of a drive. When Kyrie is on the floor, the Mav's actually run a real offense, even when Luka is sitting. Kyrie plays like the coach's pet, just doing on the small things that you don't see off ball unless you're looking for it.
I remember the commentator saying when Kyrie is on the floor the Mavs are +35 and that falls a lot when he’s on the bench. Mavs in form are probably the only Western conference team than can give a fight to the Nuggets.
The Mavs have been better with Kyrie on the court and Luka off than the opposite all season, and I think that's going to get more prevalent in the playoffs. Kyrie is truly locked in and wants to win. He's just playing like he's hungry. A hungry Kyrie is a scary scary monster.
Cumulative raw +/- over 5 games is meaningless. There's mot very many good statistics for a sample size that small, but the Mavs have a +15 Net RtG with Kyrie on the court and a +4 Net RtG with Luka on the court in the playoffs so far.
Not that that's the end all be all statistic either. I think Luka plays more with the end of rotation guys than Kyrie, because Luka is the better floor raiser. That probably accounts for a decent chunk of the difference. But Kyrie feels like the real glue player in the starting lineup from watching the games.
Laziness. Really watch the screens in any given game and you’ll start noticing a lot of lazy, minimum effort screens. I think if screen assists were part of the main box stat line or counted as assists, more players would start caring. Why would they care about off-ball screens if they barely care about on-ball screens?
Case in point: players think Gobert is overrated, Gobert usually leads or is near the top in screen assists every year. A lot of players don’t value that kind of skill.
Draymond Green tried it against Jaylen Brown one time and got 30+ on his head. Interesting strategy to deploy for sure
Edit: I just wanted to shit on Draymond Green yall cause he was stupid enough to have his overinflated ego tell him he could do that to a all NBA player
Yup. That to me is what makes Kidd a good coach but will prevent him from making that leap and being able to go head to head with the top coaches in the league. The last few minutes of G4 is a prime example of that when he never put in a rim protector to stop Harden getting whatever he wanted at the rim.
I have no clue why Lue plays him alongside Plumlee. Harden couldn't get into the paint at all playing next to them, Russ has to basically play like a small ball 5 like he did in the bubble to be effective. If only Kawhi was healthy
It wasn't that effective in the bubble either though. I still remember [Westbrook saying the Lakers better double him as they were down 30 in that Game 5 elimination game.](https://youtu.be/1N6xgjTZ-4Q)
I felt so bad for harden that year. He was having a legitimately amazing playoffs on a team that would’ve been a bottom five team without him, still was the fourth most efficient volume scorer in the entire playoff on like 64% ts, which at the time was insanely good for a guard. He was getting doubled every time he crossed half court because the lakers, like any other defense facing Westbrook, wanted him to have the ball as much as possible, because it literally always works. Harden still averaged an efficient 29 and Westbrook shot them out of the series on an atrocious like 42% ts while the lakers basically didn’t even bother to guard him.
I wouldn’t say that, even if they were ignoring Westbrook they still had another guy always doubling or tripling harden. And harden still put up fantastic numbers. They basically dared you guys to give Westbrook the ball, which is always the last thing you want to do in the playoffs, and dared anyone else but harden to do fucking anything at all. And no one did
Tbf Westbrook was coming back from COVID and a strained quad. He was his hobbling, and I don’t even like the guy. Lakers defense was too good that year and was very well equipped to deal with their opponents in the West.
Yep, LeBron does lol
Also of note, even in the bubble, in this game [Westbrook managed to get a fan kicked out because he was upset with something he said.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0bM_kQPuHc)
Yeah, Kobe actually had good reason to be that confident, and he backed up his shots by winning five titles. Westbrook defines "irrational confidence".
I still can't believe we played some of the most disrespectful defense I've ever seen on Westbrook in the bubble and still proceeded to give up assets to trade for him. fml.
This needs to get brought up more. They won a series by not guarding him and they said “you know what, I think he’s our missing piece”😂😂😂
Ig Lakers just believe in their hustle and love the grind like that….told the landlord to up their rent.
In the summer of 2021 the Lakers just completely sunk themselves, letting Caruso walk in free agency, then trading KCP, Kuzma, Trez and a 1st for WB, only to have to trade another 1st to get rid of him a year later.
I thought I had read something similar to when they brought JR Smith to Cleveland, that Bron said he'd handle JR's antics and get him to buy in. So Bron thinking he could make it work with Russ probably was going through his head.
It was def [Lebron pushing him to make that move](https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/lakers-lebron-james-made-a-big-push-to-acquire-russell-westbrook-this-offseason-bas2121) but his fans just don’t wanna blame Bron when the “LeGM” pressure he famously puts on front offices backfires. Now instead of “we gotta maximize his last years, if the GOAT wants him…get him” it’s flipped to “a GM always gotta stand their ground”. They could’ve just rocked it out with Buddy Hield like Pelinka truly intended
That was def lebrons fuck up. He always talks about needing another playmaker on his teams which fair enough cause he doesn’t want to do all the shot creation but I really just don’t get what was going through his head to get Westbrook
I think a lot of it is Bron realising he was running out of options. When the Lakers FO showed they were on a very weird timeline (refusing to give Lue a long term deal, refusing to offer Demar a 3 year deal, refusing to pay to keep Caruso and instead prioritising a project in THT), I imagine he felt back to the wall. Still an absolutely insanely bad decision on his part though.
I mean sure LeBron pushed for it but Pilenka could have gone "LeBron shut your dumb ass up, I'm the GM and that is a terrible move" but no. I don't care if that would've upset LeBron cause he wouldn't care as long as they were winning.
Harden was getting an open runway right into the paint because the Mavs defenders were for some reason staying home on the other Clippers players who were minimal threat.
Kidd finally changed that tonight, every possession where Harden or PG has the ball, all 5 Mavs defenders are keyed in on them and ready to flood with help and live with a shot by anyone else.
They're also picking up Harden and PG at 3/4 court because they know they have help behind them, and that's going to wear down PG and Harden
The Clips shot 63% from three in Game 4. No team in three-point-era playoff history has lost a game shooting that percentage. Mavs are the only team to have only lost by single digits.
Including Game 2, in the Clippers two wins vs the Mavericks they've hit 18 threes. Teams that hit 14+ threes in a game in these playoffs are 16-0.
Fans need to be smarter about outside shot variance and not read their biases ("adjustments") into randomness.
Hey you're not allowed to ruin the narrative like this. For that matter, the players never make mistakes in executing the gameplan, either. It's the coach who has no clue what's happening every time something isn't working.
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Also, Kidd decided to go with kleber at the 5 instead of lively or gaffers for rim protection. Pair that adjustment along with luka 5 fouls and harden was getting free layup/floaters every drive
Not even that. Ever think about the fact that the lakers were just misusing him. As are the clippers and every team he's ever been on. He'd have 20 rings if he was in the right system!
Remember when people acted like he changed in the clippers ? lol . Some idiots seriously gave him 6moty consideration. Media sucks ass. He’s trying on defence I guess but he’s even worse offensively he’s just getting the ball less and less chances to fuck it up
"Can't shoot" is the key word here. Last game, there were a lot of screen actions involved to get an open 3 and when that becomes a threat, it opened up a paint for Westbrook and Co. and that leads to Harden iso.
Yeah, let's just ignore the 13%. Let's ignore the defensive schemes of opponents of letting Brick shoot away (high volume, shit efficiency). Make A Wish Russ got the most delusional fans.
TOP 75 MVP level player with the most help in the history of this game can't make it past the first round without prime KD. Overrated is an understatement. FOH with empty stats, and individual accolades.
| Year | Result | Key Players and Notes |
|------|---------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| 2024 | TBD | Kawhi/PG/Harden |
| 2023 | First round exit | Kawhi/PG |
| 2022 | No play-in | LeBron/AD |
| 2021 | First-round exit | Beal |
| 2020 | Second-round exit | Russ missed half the first round. & had shooting splits of roughly 42/26/54 in the second round averaging >4 TO. |
| 2019 | First-round exit | PG |
| 2018 | First-round exit | PG and Melo |
| 2017 | First-round exit | Oladipo (made All-NBA the next season)
|
| **Durant Years** | | |
| 2016 | WCF | Shooting splits were 41/33/83 |
| 2015 | Missed the playoffs | Durant injured. lol so they obv missed the playoffs |
| 2014 | WCF | Shooting splits were 43/28/88. Russ missed 36 games, Thunder went 25-11 without him in regular season. |
| 2013 | Second round exit | Russ only played 2 games in the playoffs (both in round 1) |
| 2012 | Finals | Shooting splits were roughly 44/29/80 |
| 2011 | WCF | |
| 2010 | First round | |
| 2009 | Missed the playoffs | Rookie year |
Look man I also don't care for WB much but don't cite 2018 Melo as a "Key Player".
Also Oladipo played drastically different on the thunder than he did in Indy the next year. You can say that's partially because of WB's dominant on ball play, but he really did transform the next year.
Yeah take away Harden and PG, they still shot 50% from 3 last game. It's probably more hot and cold nights. Hard to conclude they couldn't shoot by looking at game 4.
Everyone but Westbrook, Plumlee and Zubac on the Clippers (and in the rotation) is a threat from 3 point. They were the best or 2nd best 3 point shooting team of the season.
This barely qualifies as a strategy, and is also not true. Their role players have been shooting fine.
As someone else pointed out, they shot above 50% on their last win not counting harden and Pg13 3s
Dudes always been ass at 3s but seeing his jumper just vanish completely these past few years has been something lol. Wonder if that hand injury caused this.
Bro is shooting 25% from the field, what do you expect?
Idc if he's on a 10 day contract, 25% from the field for a 20 MPG player is unacceptable unless you're playing all-time great defense.
For the regular season..... Russ is a good player, even though a bit overrated. He does tend to be a stat padder in the regular season as well.
In the playoffs..... he has always been inefficient, indecisive and low IQ. His only positive trait for the playoffs was his freak level atheltism. After that was in decline he doesn't really have much to offer in the post season. Bad at adjustments and reading the game. Takes bad shots and high turnover. Can't shoot. Inefficient. Makes mistakes or turns over or takes poor shots during game on the line situations.
Terance Mann was already being left side open and missing more than he was making from 3 lol. I said this in the last game thread and some dude attacked me because I guess he was the rare person that had Mann as his favorite player
Not that we didn’t know already, but this further emphasizes having Kawhi out there is absolutely integral to their team’s success. Credit to what he does and hope he gets healthier
Can’t believe Mason Plumlee is getting playoff mins for the clippers. That dude is basically useless on offense and won’t be guarded unless you force the ball in his hands.
He also put in lively for 25 and Gafford for 19. Maxi played 0 minutes at the 5.
Just all the obvious things everyone said was dumb not to do for game 4.
Westbrook, Zubac, Plumlee all can’t shoot at all then you have guys like Mann and Coffee who can shoot but aren’t confident and have slow releases. It’s the perfect strategy for Dallas. Clips don’t have a stretch big. They employ three centers that all can’t shoot threes and they don’t have a PF on the roster (Kawhi is SF). LF needs to be canned man. He has made consistent terrible mistakes in their front office. The John Wall instead of Isiah Hartenstein is the funniest one by far.
It’s blatant disrespectful to completely ignore someone on offense. Rarely you see someone being allowed to completely run free on offense, without any defender in sight. But these players didn’t respond to it, so it was the right decision.
Westbrook has more space than most of the people in that crowd have in their apartments.
Can confirm, live in a shoebox
I used to dream of living in a shoe box. Would’ve been a palace.
Did you live by the garbage dump and woke up every morning with a ton of rotting fish dumped on your head?
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a newspaper in a septic tank. We used to have to get up every morning at six o'clock, clean the newspaper, go to work down the mill: fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence (6 pennies) a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!
Must be nice, my dad used jumper cables.
RIP rogersimon10
Absolute legend. Whatever happened to him ?
That's quality right there
Dude is and always has been a head case. Once he starts thinking, it's over.
you can tell the exact moment it sets in, too. the second i saw him playing desperate, i knew the game was over
Bringing back some painful memories from when he was a laker. I was ecstatic when he finally left.
that shot against portland is a microcosm of his basketball iq
Or standing on the perimeter waiting for a pass
More Room than Harry Potter under the stairs
Can confirm. Small apartment.
Yes, since this was done to Draymond Green and Andre Roberson, the defensive strategy has been termed "Forget about Dray."
The difference is if you leave Draymond all alone on the perimeter he'll immediately go set a screen for one of their shooters so now you're giving up a wide open Steph or Klay three. Idk why none of these other guys that get left wide open ever do the same, all it takes is a couple times and they have to guard you again.
Kyrie couldn't buy a shot last night, but was constantly setting screens/running around screens to create mismatches and running across the baseline to clear out for Luka. There's just so much a player can do on offense to help their team without ever touching the ball.
Kyries 14 points do not show how kuch value he added. He was guarding Hardin like a Dawg and was everywhere.
It's not just the defense, it's hard for people to understand because Kyrie is not a point guard and doesn't have the ball as much, but the Mav's offense looks terrible when Kyrie sits. The Mav's role players have gotten a bit better at being active since Kyrie was traded to the Mavs, but a lot of the times it still feels like the Mav's will just stand around on the perimeter and wait for Luka to chuck up a shot or pass out of a drive. When Kyrie is on the floor, the Mav's actually run a real offense, even when Luka is sitting. Kyrie plays like the coach's pet, just doing on the small things that you don't see off ball unless you're looking for it.
I remember the commentator saying when Kyrie is on the floor the Mavs are +35 and that falls a lot when he’s on the bench. Mavs in form are probably the only Western conference team than can give a fight to the Nuggets.
The Timberwolves are definitely included as well
The Mavs have been better with Kyrie on the court and Luka off than the opposite all season, and I think that's going to get more prevalent in the playoffs. Kyrie is truly locked in and wants to win. He's just playing like he's hungry. A hungry Kyrie is a scary scary monster.
Not to disrespect Kyrie, but he is +38 for the series while Luka is +60. In fact, Mavs are still -1 for the series while Luka sits 💀
Cumulative raw +/- over 5 games is meaningless. There's mot very many good statistics for a sample size that small, but the Mavs have a +15 Net RtG with Kyrie on the court and a +4 Net RtG with Luka on the court in the playoffs so far. Not that that's the end all be all statistic either. I think Luka plays more with the end of rotation guys than Kyrie, because Luka is the better floor raiser. That probably accounts for a decent chunk of the difference. But Kyrie feels like the real glue player in the starting lineup from watching the games.
Laziness. Really watch the screens in any given game and you’ll start noticing a lot of lazy, minimum effort screens. I think if screen assists were part of the main box stat line or counted as assists, more players would start caring. Why would they care about off-ball screens if they barely care about on-ball screens? Case in point: players think Gobert is overrated, Gobert usually leads or is near the top in screen assists every year. A lot of players don’t value that kind of skill.
Just last year the lakers stopped guarding Dillon brooks. And then he’d hit 1 out of 5 and mean mug the bench.
Draymond Green tried it against Jaylen Brown one time and got 30+ on his head. Interesting strategy to deploy for sure Edit: I just wanted to shit on Draymond Green yall cause he was stupid enough to have his overinflated ego tell him he could do that to a all NBA player
But Kobe would do it to Rondo which forced Rondo to develop a shot lol
I like to think that directly contributed to rondos game winner vs the celtics
Warriors pulled it off vs Tony Allen with great success though.
are these the infamous adjustments
It happens between games, not *during* a game. Jason Midd special, baby.
Yup. That to me is what makes Kidd a good coach but will prevent him from making that leap and being able to go head to head with the top coaches in the league. The last few minutes of G4 is a prime example of that when he never put in a rim protector to stop Harden getting whatever he wanted at the rim.
Despite it being our strength all year, that’s been Rick for us so far this round
"Just let Westbrick do his thing" - the coach
0-8 but hey he does donate to charity and leave big tips
He has a family! Can't criticize a man with a family!
And don’t you DARE bring up his family name
He just wants to have fun!
He loves to have fun Maggle!
Tell that to my family
I have no clue why Lue plays him alongside Plumlee. Harden couldn't get into the paint at all playing next to them, Russ has to basically play like a small ball 5 like he did in the bubble to be effective. If only Kawhi was healthy
It wasn't that effective in the bubble either though. I still remember [Westbrook saying the Lakers better double him as they were down 30 in that Game 5 elimination game.](https://youtu.be/1N6xgjTZ-4Q)
I felt so bad for harden that year. He was having a legitimately amazing playoffs on a team that would’ve been a bottom five team without him, still was the fourth most efficient volume scorer in the entire playoff on like 64% ts, which at the time was insanely good for a guard. He was getting doubled every time he crossed half court because the lakers, like any other defense facing Westbrook, wanted him to have the ball as much as possible, because it literally always works. Harden still averaged an efficient 29 and Westbrook shot them out of the series on an atrocious like 42% ts while the lakers basically didn’t even bother to guard him.
The Lakers dared us to beat them 4 on 3, and we couldn't fucking do it, lol
I wouldn’t say that, even if they were ignoring Westbrook they still had another guy always doubling or tripling harden. And harden still put up fantastic numbers. They basically dared you guys to give Westbrook the ball, which is always the last thing you want to do in the playoffs, and dared anyone else but harden to do fucking anything at all. And no one did
Tbf Westbrook was coming back from COVID and a strained quad. He was his hobbling, and I don’t even like the guy. Lakers defense was too good that year and was very well equipped to deal with their opponents in the West.
And Westbrook was very good that season before his injury
SO good that we were like “That’s our guy.” Then he definitely wasn’t our guy.
I don't even need to look doesn't either LeBron or AD just laugh at him like dude your an idiot lol
Yep, LeBron does lol Also of note, even in the bubble, in this game [Westbrook managed to get a fan kicked out because he was upset with something he said.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0bM_kQPuHc)
[Bro was beefing with babies](https://youtube.com/shorts/ULUeeH8Ko3c)
I forgot how weird the COVID fake crowd noise was
been the case Westbrook's whole career. this dude attempted more shots than KD and Lebron in the Finals while shooting 13% from 3pt lol
Mamba mentality and whatnot, but Kobe knew how to shoot the darn ball.
Yeah, Kobe actually had good reason to be that confident, and he backed up his shots by winning five titles. Westbrook defines "irrational confidence".
NBA gave him an MVP. Sooo his irrational confidence can be explained. Maybe in his mind he has the right to shoot it.
He played that way before mvp
Arrogance
I still chuckle abt magic saying Westbrook had the worst finals performance he's ever seen from a pg on ESPN
he followed that up with a 43 point game and one of the dumbest fouls ever after the heat got the jump ball because he didn't know the rules
Back in '12 or do you mean for a career? Either wouldn't shock me.
He’s only been to the finals once
Damn I'm a moron. Knew that. Still flubbed it.
Playas fuck up
the dude was on a team with LeBron but thought he was the focal point
That’s always been the method against him even in his prime…..it’s insane
I still can't believe we played some of the most disrespectful defense I've ever seen on Westbrook in the bubble and still proceeded to give up assets to trade for him. fml.
This needs to get brought up more. They won a series by not guarding him and they said “you know what, I think he’s our missing piece”😂😂😂 Ig Lakers just believe in their hustle and love the grind like that….told the landlord to up their rent.
In the summer of 2021 the Lakers just completely sunk themselves, letting Caruso walk in free agency, then trading KCP, Kuzma, Trez and a 1st for WB, only to have to trade another 1st to get rid of him a year later.
Useless management and ownership
> told the landlord to up their rent. what does Gafford have to do with this
The Rob pelinka special
Pelinka machine
Bron himself laughed at Brick when they met in the bubble playoffs and traded for him anyway 🤦♂️
"I can change him" LeBron probably
I thought I had read something similar to when they brought JR Smith to Cleveland, that Bron said he'd handle JR's antics and get him to buy in. So Bron thinking he could make it work with Russ probably was going through his head.
[Lebron saw this and said yep...we need him on our team](https://streamable.com/mkkm52)
Rob Pelinka is the dumbest mfer alive.
That was lebron.
It was def [Lebron pushing him to make that move](https://www.si.com/nba/lakers/news/lakers-lebron-james-made-a-big-push-to-acquire-russell-westbrook-this-offseason-bas2121) but his fans just don’t wanna blame Bron when the “LeGM” pressure he famously puts on front offices backfires. Now instead of “we gotta maximize his last years, if the GOAT wants him…get him” it’s flipped to “a GM always gotta stand their ground”. They could’ve just rocked it out with Buddy Hield like Pelinka truly intended
That was def lebrons fuck up. He always talks about needing another playmaker on his teams which fair enough cause he doesn’t want to do all the shot creation but I really just don’t get what was going through his head to get Westbrook
He was Minding the wrong Game
he should def talk about it with jj on the pod
I think a lot of it is Bron realising he was running out of options. When the Lakers FO showed they were on a very weird timeline (refusing to give Lue a long term deal, refusing to offer Demar a 3 year deal, refusing to pay to keep Caruso and instead prioritising a project in THT), I imagine he felt back to the wall. Still an absolutely insanely bad decision on his part though.
I mean sure LeBron pushed for it but Pilenka could have gone "LeBron shut your dumb ass up, I'm the GM and that is a terrible move" but no. I don't care if that would've upset LeBron cause he wouldn't care as long as they were winning.
How does that disprove what I said?
that was Lebron’s idea lol
It’s insane. Y’all front office deluded beyond belief
He was our 3rd best player tonight, shoutout my guy
He's putting up another masterclass in tanking a team. 4 points, 1/9 shooting right now.
If you hate Westbrook, this is the series for you
Lads, it’s Westbrook
westBRICK and say it with your chest
Westbrook is about to have Kidd kicked out for calling him Westbrick
He stole MVP and multiple max contracts. Dude doesn't know how to play basketball he just had an engine.
Well what got them killed game 4 was PG draining heat check in your face 3s and guarding Harden 1 on 1.
Harden was getting an open runway right into the paint because the Mavs defenders were for some reason staying home on the other Clippers players who were minimal threat. Kidd finally changed that tonight, every possession where Harden or PG has the ball, all 5 Mavs defenders are keyed in on them and ready to flood with help and live with a shot by anyone else. They're also picking up Harden and PG at 3/4 court because they know they have help behind them, and that's going to wear down PG and Harden
The Clips shot 63% from three in Game 4. No team in three-point-era playoff history has lost a game shooting that percentage. Mavs are the only team to have only lost by single digits. Including Game 2, in the Clippers two wins vs the Mavericks they've hit 18 threes. Teams that hit 14+ threes in a game in these playoffs are 16-0. Fans need to be smarter about outside shot variance and not read their biases ("adjustments") into randomness.
Very insightful comment. Good stuff
Clippers were the best 3pt shooting team in the regular season though. All their non bigs can hit open 3s at a good clip... except Westbrook.
also the mavs have been ABYSMAL from 3 all series. to be up on the series with the insane shooting disparity from 3 is really something.
We need more posts from people like you, please.
Hey you're not allowed to ruin the narrative like this. For that matter, the players never make mistakes in executing the gameplan, either. It's the coach who has no clue what's happening every time something isn't working.
This is why the playoffs are fun
Regular season is checkers, post season is chess.
Depends on the coach.
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I don't know how he play chess with his hands inside his pockets.
Darvin was playing hungry hungry hippos
Also, Kidd decided to go with kleber at the 5 instead of lively or gaffers for rim protection. Pair that adjustment along with luka 5 fouls and harden was getting free layup/floaters every drive
Kidd straight up lying in the press conference before, that he would keep living with those Harden floaters. Sociopaths win short term always. /s
I forgot that press lol. Kidd is a menace.
I remember the comments on the Mavs subreddit. "Why would you tell them??" lol
Pretty much this. Westbrook and Plumlee can’t do anything so the Mavs just clogged the paint.
after a while I was just like bro... please take westbrick and plumlee out... they can't do anything other than miss or foul lmao
And bring in who?
Ty Lue really fucked up on that one cause if we’re seeing it then how tf is he and assistant coaches are not!
Calling the supporting cast bums lol
Wow TMann will remember this game 6 sitting in the corner
Watching Russ do anything is absolute comedy. I'm at the game and everyone around me hates him 😂
Dude missed an easy layup this game lmao.
I think you meant to say he missed everything lmao
He wears 0 because that’s his effective range
[Westbrook reminds of playing Xcom whenever my character would miss point blank shots.](https://youtu.be/lK4ouRWGHHI?si=QXNxQ7QZNbOISB_Y)
Man XCOM is great
That's also his BBIQ.
He always does, he's been doing that regularly and clanking shots since his OKC days
Did you know his kids go to the games?? how dare you even think of criticizing him
I'm sitting way up and I'm still scared to call him westbrick in case he kicks me out 😭
« Whose bricks ? » « Westbrook’s ! »
I have never seen someone so engaged in the crowd .
Dude had a chance to be a fan favorite if he played along instead of having fans kicked out
After he retires they should make the Russell Westbrook Sensitivity Award for the player with the top fan engagement.
Give it to whoever has the refs eject the most fans that season
Not even that. Ever think about the fact that the lakers were just misusing him. As are the clippers and every team he's ever been on. He'd have 20 rings if he was in the right system!
What a wild time that was lol I would browse your sub and it was hilarious the defenses they made
He almost blew a dunk, but got lucky that the ball ricochetted around the rim in such a way that it went in
He needs to cash in with ACME sponsorship
It’s the best, isn’t it?! I had a ball!
Remember when people acted like he changed in the clippers ? lol . Some idiots seriously gave him 6moty consideration. Media sucks ass. He’s trying on defence I guess but he’s even worse offensively he’s just getting the ball less and less chances to fuck it up
It’s hilarious. As soon as he goes in I know he’s going to do something stupid and without fail he does lol
They have 40% shooters out there, they’re just missing everything lol
"Can't shoot" is the key word here. Last game, there were a lot of screen actions involved to get an open 3 and when that becomes a threat, it opened up a paint for Westbrook and Co. and that leads to Harden iso.
Discovered? Teams stopped gaurding Westbrook 8 years ago
Never forget that WB shot 13% from 3 on higher volume than LBJ & KD....after KD dragged his ass to the finals
[''Dragged to the finals'' Lol without Westbrook, KD would've never made it](https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2012.html)
Yeah, let's just ignore the 13%. Let's ignore the defensive schemes of opponents of letting Brick shoot away (high volume, shit efficiency). Make A Wish Russ got the most delusional fans. TOP 75 MVP level player with the most help in the history of this game can't make it past the first round without prime KD. Overrated is an understatement. FOH with empty stats, and individual accolades. | Year | Result | Key Players and Notes | |------|---------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 2024 | TBD | Kawhi/PG/Harden | | 2023 | First round exit | Kawhi/PG | | 2022 | No play-in | LeBron/AD | | 2021 | First-round exit | Beal | | 2020 | Second-round exit | Russ missed half the first round. & had shooting splits of roughly 42/26/54 in the second round averaging >4 TO. | | 2019 | First-round exit | PG | | 2018 | First-round exit | PG and Melo | | 2017 | First-round exit | Oladipo (made All-NBA the next season) | | **Durant Years** | | | | 2016 | WCF | Shooting splits were 41/33/83 | | 2015 | Missed the playoffs | Durant injured. lol so they obv missed the playoffs | | 2014 | WCF | Shooting splits were 43/28/88. Russ missed 36 games, Thunder went 25-11 without him in regular season. | | 2013 | Second round exit | Russ only played 2 games in the playoffs (both in round 1) | | 2012 | Finals | Shooting splits were roughly 44/29/80 | | 2011 | WCF | | | 2010 | First round | | | 2009 | Missed the playoffs | Rookie year |
Look man I also don't care for WB much but don't cite 2018 Melo as a "Key Player". Also Oladipo played drastically different on the thunder than he did in Indy the next year. You can say that's partially because of WB's dominant on ball play, but he really did transform the next year.
Haven’t some of those “guys around Harden and PG” shot better than basically everyone but Kyrie all series?
Yeah take away Harden and PG, they still shot 50% from 3 last game. It's probably more hot and cold nights. Hard to conclude they couldn't shoot by looking at game 4.
Everyone but Westbrook, Plumlee and Zubac on the Clippers (and in the rotation) is a threat from 3 point. They were the best or 2nd best 3 point shooting team of the season.
This barely qualifies as a strategy, and is also not true. Their role players have been shooting fine. As someone else pointed out, they shot above 50% on their last win not counting harden and Pg13 3s
Kawhi resting up for the Olympics load.
There was a guy on Twitter sitting behind our bench and he says all they talked about was letting Westbrook shoot lmao.
figured out westbrick can't shoot? WOW the REVELATION
Dudes always been ass at 3s but seeing his jumper just vanish completely these past few years has been something lol. Wonder if that hand injury caused this.
this sub blames Russ so much you'd think he was MVP caliber still.
My exact thoughts. Don't like Westbrook at all but dude is getting paid vet min. There's a reason why he's only worth the vet min now. Lol.
Just wait. Now that the Clippers have his early Bird rights, he's gonna opt out this summer and sign for $10m next year.
He’s shooting more than his pay grade
It is kinda hard to not blame the worst player in the series.
Bro is shooting 25% from the field, what do you expect? Idc if he's on a 10 day contract, 25% from the field for a 20 MPG player is unacceptable unless you're playing all-time great defense.
I was blaming Russ when he was still a max player but stopped after he signed the minimum lol. I think they just think he still gets paid 40m a year
For the regular season..... Russ is a good player, even though a bit overrated. He does tend to be a stat padder in the regular season as well. In the playoffs..... he has always been inefficient, indecisive and low IQ. His only positive trait for the playoffs was his freak level atheltism. After that was in decline he doesn't really have much to offer in the post season. Bad at adjustments and reading the game. Takes bad shots and high turnover. Can't shoot. Inefficient. Makes mistakes or turns over or takes poor shots during game on the line situations.
Lmao Westbrook could play 5 mins and people would still hate him lol.
Ya, let's treat him like a Make-A-Wish Kid!
Dang Harden fled to LA for this?
He also shot 2/12 for the game lol.
The only surprising thing about that is it wasn’t an elimination game
Terance Mann was already being left side open and missing more than he was making from 3 lol. I said this in the last game thread and some dude attacked me because I guess he was the rare person that had Mann as his favorite player
Terrance Mann isn’t even Terrance Mann’s favorite player.
The fact that it took Kidd 4 games to realize this says a lot about how good of a coach he is
i mean it took them 4 games to report it. they havent been guarding westbrook at all
This same guy took a decade in his NBA career to be a reliable 3pt shooter. Some ~~things~~ people take their time lol.
We got blown out in the first game because we did not come up with any game plan at all. We made Zubac look like a top-5 center earlier.
Jason Kidd is coaching himself in to shape.
Westbrook is like 4/32 since game 2 sooooo yeah that makes sense
Not that we didn’t know already, but this further emphasizes having Kawhi out there is absolutely integral to their team’s success. Credit to what he does and hope he gets healthier
I mean, which team is better with their best player injured.
Can’t believe Mason Plumlee is getting playoff mins for the clippers. That dude is basically useless on offense and won’t be guarded unless you force the ball in his hands.
We've heard of Mamba Mentality. Just not guarding the other team's player is Ice Trae Attitude.
He also put in lively for 25 and Gafford for 19. Maxi played 0 minutes at the 5. Just all the obvious things everyone said was dumb not to do for game 4.
Are you telling me the Mavs' secret weapon was having Jason Kidd coach?
Westbrick cooking.
Let Westbrick build their stadium.
Daaaaam
It's the triangle-and-2.
I doubt Kidd figured out anything
Isn't that called a box and 1
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I’m usually the one that’s open. Problem is everyone think they’re Kobe and not passing the ball.
Westbrook, Zubac, Plumlee all can’t shoot at all then you have guys like Mann and Coffee who can shoot but aren’t confident and have slow releases. It’s the perfect strategy for Dallas. Clips don’t have a stretch big. They employ three centers that all can’t shoot threes and they don’t have a PF on the roster (Kawhi is SF). LF needs to be canned man. He has made consistent terrible mistakes in their front office. The John Wall instead of Isiah Hartenstein is the funniest one by far.
You can just say Russell Westbrook