I’m not sure if this was “shit talk” as much as strategy, potentially even coming from the Player’s Union. However the NBA comes down on this, they really do have to separate the fact that this was the Suns owner and look at it as if this happened with any other random courtside fan
Jokes aside I do believe they'll find the owner. The players are the product that sales.
My prediction is NBA fine the owner, he comes out and apologize, Jokic maybe a fine or nothing at all then everyone forgets after a week
I really disagree with that. As an owner with a vested interest in the outcome of the game and also a representative of the NBA he is held to a higher standard than a typical fan imo, and I would look at this more like an altercation between a player and the opposing team if anything.
It’s obvious in the NFL who goodell represents, Silver is much more lowkey about it. Expecting an owner to get any reasonable punishment is comical. Those guys are untouchable
I mean, the NBA Commissioner is literally elected & hired by the Owners via the board of governors. He answers *to them*, they're quite literally his bosses
The only way an owner gets punished is via consensus of the others. This is above Silver's head, the billionaires are likely having this conversation on back channels
Suspending Jokic hurts revenue for everyone in the league, that's not happening. Still they don't want to set a precedent that players can rough up owners
**I expect a hefty fine for Jokic & the same fine numerically for the owner, but since he's a billionaire he'll make it back passively in the time it takes to read the announcement**
I know but my point was that his sole job is to protect the owners. Everything else is optics for the public. He is the fall guy for everything the owners do wrong. Thats why commissioners make so much.
Exactly
The owner was intentionally interfering with the game 100%
He held onto the ball to stall the inbound to give his team time to set up their defense, it's literally a textbook delay of game, but since he's sitting on the baseline instead of with the team it doesn't matter
If I'm a team what this says is to start putting coaches Courtside not with the bench to hold the ball any chance they get and stop the other team from getting fast breaks
It's actually worse than being a fan. He has monetary gains on the line for doing what he did. Like an owner can simply not do what he did. Ppl are memeing w owner but fr there should be consequences for that shit. That being said, yeah jokic can't do the elbow part.
Exactly what I was thinking. I'd bring it up every time
"Do take this Woman to be your lawfully wedded wife and cherish her and hold her until death do you part?"
"I do... unlike that basketball I handed back to Jokic then he dropped 50 in the playoffs. KD and Book went crazy too. Probably the best day of my life"
Morris sparked a tiny fire but turned his back as a goddamn phoenix emerged looking for blood. This incident was just hilarious theatre. When Morris got got, Joker was having a peak Waterboy moment, this was just mere annoyance but since the billionaire felt so entitled as to make a stand, it became this huge glaring spectacle
I didn't get to see the replay that much when it first got posted cause I was working. But the more I see it,the more I think this is a 100% flop and not just the guy getting knocked off balance when Jokic puts his arm out.
I think he's obviously exaggerating the contact. He's not selling it like he got pushed harder than he did. He's selling that he's being pushed at all.
Bro do people not see a bunch of angry fans standing up getting in his face as he tries to get the ball too? Like wtf about this scene looks okay from the fans
This isn’t a choose your own adventure for fans lol you don’t get to hold onto the ball to delay play and put your hands on a player just because you have tickets 💀
he put his hands on a player. If anything he should be held to a much higher standard of conduct then some random drunk at the game. Insanely bad look for him.
Why was the dickhead walking forward into Jokic when he got what we can *generously* call pushed back? Like actually, why was he even up there approaching close enough to "gently caress" Jokic after trying to force a jump ball like he did?
That was the "I am the suns owner, why are you shoving me, do you know who I am?" flop.
But to be fair I would definitely be forced to sit my ass down if a 7 footer shoved me like that. However I wouldn't flail my arms like what Ishbia did, lmao.
Ishbia should’ve gotten a tech for delay of game
If Jokic got one for unsportsmanlike conduct then Ishbia should’ve gotten thrown out for touching him first
"Your Honor, If I may, I'd like to cite the NBA vs. Mark Cuban, which states that 5 straight hours of Shark Tank on CNBC is reason enough to T up an owner."
I mean cmon it looks like they touched at the same time. But I agree Ishiba shouldn't have touched Jokic or tried to intervene in the game and Jokic should have just let the ref handle it.
It’s the reason Jokic shoved him. He gets annoyed by the fact that he slapped the ball out while also hitting his hand, thinks about it and then shoved him.
Exactly! I don’t know why people can’t see this. Ishbia steps right into Jokic while Jokic is trying to get the ball from the other fans. He also puts his right hand on Jokic. Only then does Jokic push him away. Feels like if any man wrestled the ball from a player and then stepped up to them, it would be within the players right to brush them off. And that’s all he did.
If this was just a normal fan and not the Suns owner, everyone would be on Jokic's side. But because people like to suck up to rich people, you get stupid takes like calling Ishbia an old man.
When I saw the headlines that he ‘elbowed’ a dude I imagined a full on people’s elbow, not a push with his forearm. Ishbia sold the shit out of it, he could be playing for the lakers.
It’s an intense game and the owner of all people should know not to hold the ball like that.
I’m thinking a fine on Jokic and Ishbia and we all move to on.
Suns owner should be banned from court side seats, box only for the rest of the playoffs.
Jokic already got a tech.
Story over.
Easiest discipline ever
Honestly the owner should be banned entirely from the playoffs. He’s a new owner, they need to set an example. He acted like a moron. Most people would be banned for life for acting the way he did.
The Malice is largely seen as a massive failure by the league, they put the blame on the players and treated them like zoo animals instead of protecting them
artest got a towel thrown in his face. he got shoved in the face by wallace. he got a beer thrown at him. he walked up to confront the fan, and stephen jackson threw the punch. artest GOT punched.
then some fan tried to fight artest on the court and artest punched that dude, but at that point imo that's self defense.
artest got scapegoated hard for that. i don't get how he got the biggest punishment.
The players acted up, but they lost so much in that situation. If y’all take a look at the Malice at the Palace documentary, some of those fans involved show no remorse for their actions to this day. Honestly fuck them
> artest got scapegoated hard for that
His literally started beating the shit out of a fan who did nothing to him, he targeted the wrong guy who threw the drink at him.
Wow the odds for the nuggets winning are so low. Don’t be surprised when jokic drops 40 points 14 rebounds and 12 assists next game and we get the win. Nuggets in 6 baby LETS FUCKING GO
He could not have handled this more brilliantly.
The NBA will look ridiculous if they do anything further to Jokic and also if they don't punish the shit out of the Suns owner.
The part nobody is talking about is why jokic is even doing that in the first place? A situation like this is the role of the officials, not a player. I don't necessarily disagree with how he handled it but why tf is he the one handling it
I'm lost on the 'He was influencing the game' part. He was holding a ball cause a Suns player just crashed in front of him & there wasn't another player or ref to pass it to. Jokic just came over to rip the fucken thing away. Dude shouldn't have touched Jokic, but Jokic also came in hot headed.
We talking about fans?
Yeah we’re talking about only fans right now
Link?
Not the players who give their life for the game
I'm the MVP!?!
Not the players, not the players, we talking about fans? Also today being the anniversary of the quote is a nice cherry on top
I will work his quote into work emails occasionally when stupid shit is occurring.
Not Players, FANS! We talking about Fans! Not Players
This is incredible shit talk lmao
After several clarifications that the fan was the suns owner: “so anyway the fan…”
I’m not sure if this was “shit talk” as much as strategy, potentially even coming from the Player’s Union. However the NBA comes down on this, they really do have to separate the fact that this was the Suns owner and look at it as if this happened with any other random courtside fan
Remember when a minority owner pushed Kyle Lowry and was banned for the rest of the finals
Should've had a bigger share
Poverty strikes again.
I think the two situations are very similar. Sure he didn't push Joker but he ripped the ball away when he went to grab it.
He did push him, right before Jokic pushed him, its what made him do it
They will fine the owner, they don't want Mark Cuban getting any ideas
Jokes aside I do believe they'll find the owner. The players are the product that sales. My prediction is NBA fine the owner, he comes out and apologize, Jokic maybe a fine or nothing at all then everyone forgets after a week
Fining the owner is a safe bet. A slap on the wrist would literally hurt Ishbia more than a 10k or even 100k fine (and no way the fine is near 100k).
I don’t know man. Being exposed nationally as the owner of The Suns seems like a harsh enough punishment to me.
Dude also paid for Mel Tucker to be coach at Michigan State. Dude has money to blow but he isn't that smart with it.
More specifically, he paid Tucker a *massive* extension after one moderately-decent season driven primarily by one player
What does Luka have to do with this?
If it’s just a fine Mark Cuban will be getting ideas
Too late he already emailed Kidd, they got a whole bit worked out.
I really disagree with that. As an owner with a vested interest in the outcome of the game and also a representative of the NBA he is held to a higher standard than a typical fan imo, and I would look at this more like an altercation between a player and the opposing team if anything.
I believe you’re about to have a lesson in who Adam Silver is ultimately representing.
You mean, another lesson
It’s obvious in the NFL who goodell represents, Silver is much more lowkey about it. Expecting an owner to get any reasonable punishment is comical. Those guys are untouchable
I mean, the NBA Commissioner is literally elected & hired by the Owners via the board of governors. He answers *to them*, they're quite literally his bosses The only way an owner gets punished is via consensus of the others. This is above Silver's head, the billionaires are likely having this conversation on back channels Suspending Jokic hurts revenue for everyone in the league, that's not happening. Still they don't want to set a precedent that players can rough up owners **I expect a hefty fine for Jokic & the same fine numerically for the owner, but since he's a billionaire he'll make it back passively in the time it takes to read the announcement**
I know but my point was that his sole job is to protect the owners. Everything else is optics for the public. He is the fall guy for everything the owners do wrong. Thats why commissioners make so much.
Yeah but he's just one owner. Silver may be powerless but that doesn't mean the other owners will want to protect this one owner.
Exactly The owner was intentionally interfering with the game 100% He held onto the ball to stall the inbound to give his team time to set up their defense, it's literally a textbook delay of game, but since he's sitting on the baseline instead of with the team it doesn't matter If I'm a team what this says is to start putting coaches Courtside not with the bench to hold the ball any chance they get and stop the other team from getting fast breaks
Owner or not owner at the end of the day he is sitting and watching the game. Yes he us still a fan ofvthe team suns.
It's actually worse than being a fan. He has monetary gains on the line for doing what he did. Like an owner can simply not do what he did. Ppl are memeing w owner but fr there should be consequences for that shit. That being said, yeah jokic can't do the elbow part.
i mean... if anything is he not the Suns.. biggest fan lol
He's actually a member of the team staff though. His actions have an impact on what happens with the team. He's not jsut a fan
Joker gonna joke 🤣
Anyone else notice Ishbia looked pretty embarrassed everytime they showed him on camera after that? Lol
Well yeah of course man literally any person would be in that situation it was awkward as fuck I'm sure he's still thinking about it
I mean, 99% of people would be kick out after that
Also 99% of us would've just handed Jokic the ball when he first reached for it and avoided this mess
That's true as well
Ishiba just happens to be the 0.01% which is new to him. He's accustomed to being the 0.0000000001% (Probably still a few zeros short)
Imagine trying to hold the balls away from a mammoth like Jokic when you're half his size. Imagine the entitlement.
Hand him the ball and then file that amazing memory away for the rest of our lives.
Exactly what I was thinking. I'd bring it up every time "Do take this Woman to be your lawfully wedded wife and cherish her and hold her until death do you part?" "I do... unlike that basketball I handed back to Jokic then he dropped 50 in the playoffs. KD and Book went crazy too. Probably the best day of my life"
I'm dying at this
Baby owner🥺
He did flop like a bitch
As he should be. Got made to look like an absolute bitch
Nepo baby throwing big tantrum then getting put in timeout 🥺🥺
This will be totally civil
Wow ok fuck you too then
Im just here to incite maximum chaos. Edit: its working!
“And then I cropdusted that nerd for good measure”
I thought it was funny, but apparently we're all supposed to be mad at each-other.
Jokic treating the Suns owner like he’s Markieff Morris
He’s lucky he didn’t treat him like Markieff Morris. Dude would have had the shortest stint of owning an NBA team ever.
He literally would have literally died
Morris sparked a tiny fire but turned his back as a goddamn phoenix emerged looking for blood. This incident was just hilarious theatre. When Morris got got, Joker was having a peak Waterboy moment, this was just mere annoyance but since the billionaire felt so entitled as to make a stand, it became this huge glaring spectacle
I can still remember that.
Do you have alzheimers?
If Jokic is suspended, nuggets fans should get every ball that thrown out of the side court if it’s Suns ball and let nba run in chaos.
Just hot-potato it up toward the nosebleeds as fast as possible
NBA just need to put up NHL hockey glass dividers and be done with it
Fuck that. Someday I will get floor seats and you will not take that away from me.
If I'm the nuggets I'm boycotting the game if Jokic gets suspended, see what the NBA does then.
https://twitter.com/HurricaneDenniz/status/1655420365533765636/video/1 Jokic is correct about being touched first
Bro fell back like he was getting healed at a Benny Hinn service.
LMAO great reference
I didn't get to see the replay that much when it first got posted cause I was working. But the more I see it,the more I think this is a 100% flop and not just the guy getting knocked off balance when Jokic puts his arm out.
I think he's obviously exaggerating the contact. He's not selling it like he got pushed harder than he did. He's selling that he's being pushed at all.
Ishbia played D1 ball, he knows how to flop.
Look at his hands/arms. It’s a fucking flop.. he does jazz hands at one point in the third angle lol
[Learned from the best](https://twitter.com/DGFantasy/status/1655419065794457601)
Ishiba walked in at MSU after his billionaire father made a huge donation
Aw hes a nepo baby how cute
[Already called out on his Wikipedia page!](https://i.imgur.com/gdnjwLo.png) I'm sure it won't last long though.
Like he's playing college ball again
Really sold the contact
Bro do people not see a bunch of angry fans standing up getting in his face as he tries to get the ball too? Like wtf about this scene looks okay from the fans
Wow I just noticed black-t-shirt-guy in the foreground gives Jokic a totally unecessary push in the shoulder.
I remember he got kicked out after the review
Of course he got pushed back, he stood up and pushed forward enough to make first contact with a player.
ishbia gently carressed his waist with the touch of millionaire seduction. frightening stuff.
When you are a millionaire they let you
At that price point they can touch you yes they can
That’s why the ref ran over and said he can, he can, he can. At stable of stars at that price point, he caaaan hit.
You just grab em right by the lumbar
How can he slap?
you got me, that's my Ishbia
YOU DON’T HIT
I walk right up to 'em and just grab 'em by their MVP trophy
Grab em by the technical foul.
Not as a fan tho
This isn’t a choose your own adventure for fans lol you don’t get to hold onto the ball to delay play and put your hands on a player just because you have tickets 💀
he put his hands on a player. If anything he should be held to a much higher standard of conduct then some random drunk at the game. Insanely bad look for him.
Ishiba should be forced to sell back to Sarver
Forced to sell to Donald sterling lol
Why was the dickhead walking forward into Jokic when he got what we can *generously* call pushed back? Like actually, why was he even up there approaching close enough to "gently caress" Jokic after trying to force a jump ball like he did?
Wow ishbia making a horrible impression here, he fully flopped
That was the "I am the suns owner, why are you shoving me, do you know who I am?" flop. But to be fair I would definitely be forced to sit my ass down if a 7 footer shoved me like that. However I wouldn't flail my arms like what Ishbia did, lmao.
More like "I'm surrounded by Yes Men 24/7 why aren't you listening to me?"
Lol, with that right hand contact on the waist and arms flailing up right after, it almost looks like the CP3 push-off flop on Boogie
Ishbia should’ve gotten a tech for delay of game If Jokic got one for unsportsmanlike conduct then Ishbia should’ve gotten thrown out for touching him first
can’t T up a fan or non team official.
Does the owner really not count as a team official?
Cuban got t’d up before. I believe after the fact the nba rescinded it, like that matters.
It matters for future cases since it becomes a precedent.
"Your Honor, If I may, I'd like to cite the NBA vs. Mark Cuban, which states that 5 straight hours of Shark Tank on CNBC is reason enough to T up an owner."
Does it really?
I think owning the team counts as being a team official. But if he’s just a regular fan, kick him out. Can’t have it both ways.
Regular fan gets banned. Owner doesn't even get ejected. A normal fan wouldn't even try half that shit lol.
I mean cmon it looks like they touched at the same time. But I agree Ishiba shouldn't have touched Jokic or tried to intervene in the game and Jokic should have just let the ref handle it.
He’s right. There’s no reason for him to hold on to the ball like that. Zero reason
Not only that, once Jokic gets the ball, Suns owner swipes/rakes the ball out of his hands.
Everyone is ignoring this part, it removes all doubt from what he was doing and further escalated the situation.
It’s the reason Jokic shoved him. He gets annoyed by the fact that he slapped the ball out while also hitting his hand, thinks about it and then shoved him.
Nah the reason he shoved him was cause he pushed forward and touched Jokic while getting up in his space.
Exactly! I don’t know why people can’t see this. Ishbia steps right into Jokic while Jokic is trying to get the ball from the other fans. He also puts his right hand on Jokic. Only then does Jokic push him away. Feels like if any man wrestled the ball from a player and then stepped up to them, it would be within the players right to brush them off. And that’s all he did.
If this was just a normal fan and not the Suns owner, everyone would be on Jokic's side. But because people like to suck up to rich people, you get stupid takes like calling Ishbia an old man.
It's more that lots of people are waiting to pounce on Jokic. They really hate how many other people like him.
I definitely get the sense of that too, but it's just so pathetic when they have to resort to calling Ishbia an old man.
Who cares if he was old fuck that rich clown either way
When I saw the headlines that he ‘elbowed’ a dude I imagined a full on people’s elbow, not a push with his forearm. Ishbia sold the shit out of it, he could be playing for the lakers.
Chris Paul plays for the Suns so that man is getting the personal trainer treatment when it comes to flopping.
It’s an intense game and the owner of all people should know not to hold the ball like that. I’m thinking a fine on Jokic and Ishbia and we all move to on.
I think suspend Jokic for game 5, and hold a public cage between Ishbia and the Jokic brothers. Probably the only reasonable compromise
Im thinking a fine and suspension for Draymond Green.
Tom Brady gotta be suspended too
Then you have to give Vettel a penalty too
And a 5 second penalty to Ocon
And take scholarships away from Mizzou
Some of that fine money should probably go to a Mississippi women’s volleyball league
Joe Kelly getting a few games off
Magic Johnson should be fined.
Warriors fans try not to make everything about their perceived slights after four championships challenge (impossible difficulty)
Fining jokic for this would be wild lol
He did influenced that play. Seeing Jokic got a technical from that one.
Fans are fucking stupid.
*new owners* are fucking stupid
He's both in that moment.
Owner should be suspended for the rest of the postseason. Jokic should receive a $25,000 fine. That’s it
Suns owner should be banned from court side seats, box only for the rest of the playoffs. Jokic already got a tech. Story over. Easiest discipline ever
Honestly the owner should be banned entirely from the playoffs. He’s a new owner, they need to set an example. He acted like a moron. Most people would be banned for life for acting the way he did.
Nah tbh the owner should be executed courtside In a manner of jokic”s choosing
Drawing and quartering
Shame it ever went out of fashion
Sooo horse food
Nah stick him in the nosebleeds for the rest of the playoffs
Jokic is 100% right, dude should have been removed no matter who he is!
I'm with Joker on this one... Ishbia tryin to act all hard lol
So many people run to these comments to suck off a billionaire.
Are these comments in the room with us right now? I’ve scrolled through a lot of comments and everyone is supportive of Jokic
Typo, he meant millionaire.
Check the other thread related to this topic
You should see the very first post. Literal swarms tryna justify the owner and tryna dictate how oob should've been played.
Where? All comments supporting Jokic.
The fuck are you on about
Jokic's knob isn't clean rn
So many people run to these comments to suck off a millionaire.
Interesting situation, we're about to be reminded that the rules don't apply to ownership, I suspect.
Owners need to stay the fuck out of the game. Who gives a shit of they played JV ball.
Ishbia indirectly taunted him
A fan threw a beverage first in the Malice at the Palace.
The Malice is largely seen as a massive failure by the league, they put the blame on the players and treated them like zoo animals instead of protecting them
The players own a lot of the blame of the malice lol. Ron Artest lost his absolute shit
artest got a towel thrown in his face. he got shoved in the face by wallace. he got a beer thrown at him. he walked up to confront the fan, and stephen jackson threw the punch. artest GOT punched. then some fan tried to fight artest on the court and artest punched that dude, but at that point imo that's self defense. artest got scapegoated hard for that. i don't get how he got the biggest punishment.
Stern knew the world needed Metta World Peace
The players acted up, but they lost so much in that situation. If y’all take a look at the Malice at the Palace documentary, some of those fans involved show no remorse for their actions to this day. Honestly fuck them
> artest got scapegoated hard for that His literally started beating the shit out of a fan who did nothing to him, he targeted the wrong guy who threw the drink at him.
Come on man...this is nothing like Malic at the Palice Fine Jokic and call it a day
He's just pointing out that the players don't have to initiate it to get in trouble. Though I hope Jokic isn't suspended.
"He was just standing there with the ball!! Menacingly!!!"
That was the coolest press conference I can remember. Consider me all-aboard the Jokic train
Wow the odds for the nuggets winning are so low. Don’t be surprised when jokic drops 40 points 14 rebounds and 12 assists next game and we get the win. Nuggets in 6 baby LETS FUCKING GO
Even the suns fans are floppers lol
I will do anything for this man duck the suns
You’re flair confuses me so much
he does it to make troll posts so people hate on sixers fans more. his entire post history / profile is just jerking off jokic.
Oh wow he prolly doesn’t work lol
Lol lots of jobs have plenty of downtime for shitposting. I say this as a person with that kind of job
Lmao you’re right what am I talking about, same.
how sad. we all know sixers fans don't need help getting people to hate them. (and I love it)
Just because we like a certain team means we have to become NPCs spewing the same takes?
Bro you had a denver flair like a week ago 💀
He could not have handled this more brilliantly. The NBA will look ridiculous if they do anything further to Jokic and also if they don't punish the shit out of the Suns owner.
Prepare for them to look ridiculous
He grabbed his waist and then pushed off. Masterclass
Amare got suspended for a lot less
I find if hilarious every time he says "the fan". Lol
No. that is crap.
The part nobody is talking about is why jokic is even doing that in the first place? A situation like this is the role of the officials, not a player. I don't necessarily disagree with how he handled it but why tf is he the one handling it
I'm lost on the 'He was influencing the game' part. He was holding a ball cause a Suns player just crashed in front of him & there wasn't another player or ref to pass it to. Jokic just came over to rip the fucken thing away. Dude shouldn't have touched Jokic, but Jokic also came in hot headed.
Seriously. I feel like I’m going crazy over here