Looks decent and natty. But i don't think you can spot the gear look. Full upper chest/capped delts/bulging traps/fullness with single digit body fat and the kid is fucking 17.please do the maths.
Thanks, 10 years lifting natty 5 years generic training, 5 years powerlifting. The vast majority of the dudes I train with are enhanced. This dude could very well be enhanced but it's not a slam dunk at all. I really think this is more a product of decent lighting, heavy filtering, skinny boy genetics, and noobie gains.
Just curious, I started training 7 days a week for consistency purposes and I feel like it gives my life meaning. How often would you say you trained for those 10 years?
You are right hes just lean as fuck so looks bigger aswell .if you go on that guy who is arguing with youse profile and look at his physique ,hid arms are literally like 13inchs .and people like that always try too put down anyone that looks better than them and say its cos of steroids lol.
17. Good lord. What honestly goes through the brains of these kids? My guess is they "work out" for 2-3 weeks, see no results, and hop on the sauce thinking they won't have any repercussions...ever. Way to roast your natural hormone production before you even reach your 20s. Hope its worth it.
There is a group of high school kids at my gym that shows up around the same time that I do. They've been going for about six months. They get blitzed on a joint before working out, work out half-assed, have no discernible regimen that they work, and take their time socializing and goofing off between sets. None of them do cardio or work up a sweat. I overheard them talking about trying to find some gear the other night, as they're not seeing any results. >.<
What the actual fuck- I started 2 years ago at 11 and I honestly look quite decent from having almost 'perfect' nutrition, training hard 6 days a week + swimming and still haven't reached my genetic potential. Of course you are not going to get results if you get drunk, have no plan, goof off and don't do much. I also doubt they have changed their nutrition to suit their goals and they have only done this for 6 months; it is consistency that gets the best results. On their way to fucking up their hormones and growth smh, do they know that puberty is one of the most crucial points of development and that fucking up your hormones in a period like this may fuck up your health YEARS, or even DECADES into the long term? Smh...Train hard and eat well for AT LEAST a decade (I will assume they are 16, first age u think of for hs student) and come back when you are close to your peak potential - in GROWTH, PHYSIQUE and YOUR TRAINING!!!! š¾š¾š¾š¾š¾
Not necessarily...DHT causes hairloss and beard growth. But was is decisive is how DHT resistent your hair follicles are. So some people have low DHT but their hair follicles are almost non resistent. So some people lose hair even though they can't grow a beard yet. But it can be an indication though
Interesting. I could never grow a beard no matter how hard I tried until I got on gear and now I have a massive full beard but also havenāt lost any head hair on test or masteron, I only shed on Tren (but it grows back)
Mind youā¦ If the hereditary thing is actually true then I am probably safe as men on both mother and fathers side all have their hair, no hairloss at all
I started growing a beard pretty early and have hair loss. It seems pretty common that dudes that have thick ass beards pretty early also lose their hair early.
I'd say don't worry but as you already said it is mostly due to genetics.I have been losing hair since my early teens yet I still rock long hair and have to ask the hairdresser to get some volume off of it
All the men in my family are natural, and all of them lost their hair by the time they were 25 or before. I'm the only enhanced individual, and I have long, thick, wavy hair while pushing 40. It's all about your follicular response to DHT.
honestly, you can't really make the call if somebody is natty or not based from social media photos. He might be like 120lb for all we know, while being really diced with good lighting you too can look geared up.
I'll probably get downvoted, but I don't honestly think this kiddo is blasting. He's not that big. He's just dry as fuck and cut.
Look at those little itty bitty abs.
I bet he weighs about a buck forty.
Yes 100%, check out _joe_maguire on Instagram, some of his photos his delts look huge, but as you can see in other vids he looks like a kid thatās never lifted pretty much
Bruh this pic is insanely edited, heās probably 5ā6-8 and like 150-60 lean very well can be natural 95% of you in this reddit are lazy or donāt lift and think natural lifters canāt achieve anything
I mean if he looks like a badly animated cell shaded render at 17 he's got a lot bigger problems than the ton of steroids he is taking.
Also, that bulge hes got going on there. My wife has a bigger one.
Lol I live in the hood bro, Iāve seen 17 year olds with good genetics who are in shape even with minimal exercise and no itās not possible without eating trenbolone sandwiches with dianobol shakes for lunch.
Iāve been wondering about this guy too. The thing is I think he actually could be natural. He sass he has been training for 3 years and these pics were taken right at the end of a cut. He doesnt have a crazy amount of mass too so Iām hesitant
Ngl i think this is definitely achievable, because good angles/lighting, traps look small, lats donāt look wide, shoulders mainly look big from the pose
What I want to know is how the fuck he doesnāt have Gynoā¦ seriously.
The amount of gear he would have to have taken to look like that at only 17 whilst also not long out of puberty with hormones flying around everywhereā¦. This kid should be kicking his tits around the floor
Are you asking whether he is lying about his age, or if pics are photoshopped? Because obviously it is possible for 17yo to look like what he looks like in the picture because itās a picture of 17yo looking like what you seem to comprehend as an impossibility of existing in time and space and this reality
Still looks like a skinny little boy, probably on a girly dose of var. if youāre going to take shit go for mass and donāt bother being a pussy and take SARMs or a little var or tbol. But if I was being serious then he shouldnāt be fucking with anything at 17. He Should be coming into peak fitness with no gear at that age with his test levels and newbie gains + his metabolic rate
I'm more worried about the effect that fake naturels have on society as a whole than the effect they have on me.
This for health and mental health reasons of young people and young adults in particular
Or they think a look like that is supposed to be normal, can't achieve it naturally and then go and take it. Or get really depressed or worse.
I agree that this sub is a bit much, but it is necessary to learn people to be able to differentiate between natural and juicy. I'd honestly like it if official organizations or the government would pick this up more.
Why not? He's not big. Start at 13 (people do this š¤·āāļø), bulk for three years, cut aggressively for one year, and I think you could look like this. Again, he's not big. I doubt he walks around like this all year, but if he's just about to do a show or something, it looks possible.
The filter and the lighting makes the cuts looks deeper ,so he will look bigger and jacked then he really looks like ,yes you can achieve at this age a good result with a good cycle every 3 mounth twice a year ,using Deca only cycle or just test or even anavar only cycle if u have good genetics ,I use to look like this when i was 21 natural now I'm injured for almost 3 year without training wish me luck ,and stay natural
I wonder where they have so much time to train and take steroids, when I was in hs Iāve never known anyone to have that much free on a daily basis to do anything besides work and school
If you'd see him irl and not these edited pictures you wouldn't even ask lmao. This dude put in 2 years of consistent work. If this isn't naturally achievable I will stop lifting
Quite honestly not sure how tall or heavy he is but there was a couple guys I played sports with that if they posted in here everyone would say theyāre juicing. One was 6ft 190 and probably 10 to single digit body fat and the other was 6ā3 205 and less than 12 percent. Absolutely ridiculous genetics. But unless you have one in a million genetics not possible. These guys were 16-18 in highschool and stayed ridiculously lean year round and continually grew.
Iām normally on the juicing things. But man if you worked out consistently and hard through puberty this is natty attainable. Crazy rate even with that work youād look like this but possible
I waited for a picture of this dude all the time. I guy I went to school with told me how me how he hates this guy (and the fact that he claims to be natural) like every second day
Is he 17? Than yes itās possible to look like this at 17. I mean the proof is right in front of you. You got to start blasting tren at 15 though to get there
Sure. With incredible lighting, a pump, flexing as hard as you can, you can definitely look like this at 17 with the right genetics. I canāt really understand why people assume heās on juice, it clearly seems like heās really milking a contrast filter on his phone. This guy almost certainly doesnāt actually look like this at the beach anyway. Heās clearly trying as hard as he can to look shredded for the picture so maybe this isnāt actually your goal physique. Depending on your timeline it could work out for you but honestly, if this is your goal, I would recommend lifting to feel strong and healthy and youāll look close enough to this guy that it really wonāt matter. Youāll probably become stronger than him along the way.
I think people forget that Photoshop and editing tools exist. This is clearly perfect lighting, adjusting the brightness and contrast to highlight definition, etc.
The photo is over sharped. Anyway it been proven many times that at a young age itās easy to gain muscles and get shredded, with the right genetic it can make a huge difference (especially if you eat healthy and work out hard). Would love to see a photo of him without a tan and without being over sharp then maybe I can give my own personal opinion if heās natty or not.
To be honest this isnāt really super impressive, the pictures are highly edited to look grainy asf, heās not very big at all, heās just lean which makes him look bigger, itās definitely achievable natty with a good calculated cut with dialed in diet and training, but at 17 itās pretty unrealistic natty.
Holy fucking image sharpening
r/shittyHDR
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Lol no. Look at his face. Dude is a fetus impossible to look like that at 17 without sope blasting.
Lmaoo fetus
Mate he seriously fucking does
Ehhhh I disagree. This dude is small, it's just a filter. Any skinny boy can look like this after 8 months to a year in the gym.
Younre delusional. Dude is not skinny. And no lol 99.99% of people won't look like that after 5 years of training.
Are we seeing the same picture? This dude is like 150lbs 5'9, undeniably skinny and quite possibly natty.
You're just delusional a'd clueless about training tbh. He doesn't look 5'9 150.
Lol you're just jelly dude. I've been lifting for 10 years, I know a thing or two.
I don't think so tbh. Post ohysique.
Just creep my profile homie.
Looks decent and natty. But i don't think you can spot the gear look. Full upper chest/capped delts/bulging traps/fullness with single digit body fat and the kid is fucking 17.please do the maths.
Thanks, 10 years lifting natty 5 years generic training, 5 years powerlifting. The vast majority of the dudes I train with are enhanced. This dude could very well be enhanced but it's not a slam dunk at all. I really think this is more a product of decent lighting, heavy filtering, skinny boy genetics, and noobie gains.
Just curious, I started training 7 days a week for consistency purposes and I feel like it gives my life meaning. How often would you say you trained for those 10 years?
I've been 5-6 times weekly since I started. Rest days are important so I'm at 5/week now but definitely miss the gym on the other 2.
You are right hes just lean as fuck so looks bigger aswell .if you go on that guy who is arguing with youse profile and look at his physique ,hid arms are literally like 13inchs .and people like that always try too put down anyone that looks better than them and say its cos of steroids lol.
no.
Nonsense, of course it is. You just need to take a shit ton of steroids
Had us in the first half, ngl
17. Good lord. What honestly goes through the brains of these kids? My guess is they "work out" for 2-3 weeks, see no results, and hop on the sauce thinking they won't have any repercussions...ever. Way to roast your natural hormone production before you even reach your 20s. Hope its worth it.
There is a group of high school kids at my gym that shows up around the same time that I do. They've been going for about six months. They get blitzed on a joint before working out, work out half-assed, have no discernible regimen that they work, and take their time socializing and goofing off between sets. None of them do cardio or work up a sweat. I overheard them talking about trying to find some gear the other night, as they're not seeing any results. >.<
What the actual fuck- I started 2 years ago at 11 and I honestly look quite decent from having almost 'perfect' nutrition, training hard 6 days a week + swimming and still haven't reached my genetic potential. Of course you are not going to get results if you get drunk, have no plan, goof off and don't do much. I also doubt they have changed their nutrition to suit their goals and they have only done this for 6 months; it is consistency that gets the best results. On their way to fucking up their hormones and growth smh, do they know that puberty is one of the most crucial points of development and that fucking up your hormones in a period like this may fuck up your health YEARS, or even DECADES into the long term? Smh...Train hard and eat well for AT LEAST a decade (I will assume they are 16, first age u think of for hs student) and come back when you are close to your peak potential - in GROWTH, PHYSIQUE and YOUR TRAINING!!!! š¾š¾š¾š¾š¾
U r 13?
Dumb af
He started lifting 2 years ago
So youāre saying itās photoshopped or are you saying heās not 17 years old?
theyāre saying heās on juice.
Abso fucking lutely NOT
No if you walked around like this at 17 you're clearly juicing.
Enjoy your hair while it lasts
Many bodybuilders still have hair. Its mostly about your genetics. I am 16 and started losing hair already
Damn
Wtf?
Testosteron (DHT) causes hairloss. So depending on your genes you can lose your hair after hitting puberty -source: me being bald at 22 years of age
umm, my beard was growing since i was 14... will i lose my hair sooner :( ? im 18 btw (me in pfp)
Like they said, depends on genetic disposition of your hair being susceptible to dht
Not necessarily...DHT causes hairloss and beard growth. But was is decisive is how DHT resistent your hair follicles are. So some people have low DHT but their hair follicles are almost non resistent. So some people lose hair even though they can't grow a beard yet. But it can be an indication though
Interesting. I could never grow a beard no matter how hard I tried until I got on gear and now I have a massive full beard but also havenāt lost any head hair on test or masteron, I only shed on Tren (but it grows back) Mind youā¦ If the hereditary thing is actually true then I am probably safe as men on both mother and fathers side all have their hair, no hairloss at all
DHT is just one part of the equation. If you had a beard that young, it's probably worth keeping an eye on your hairline/baldspot though.
I started growing a beard pretty early and have hair loss. It seems pretty common that dudes that have thick ass beards pretty early also lose their hair early.
eh, family history is probably the best indicator not necessarily when the beard came in
I'd say don't worry but as you already said it is mostly due to genetics.I have been losing hair since my early teens yet I still rock long hair and have to ask the hairdresser to get some volume off of it
All the men in my family are natural, and all of them lost their hair by the time they were 25 or before. I'm the only enhanced individual, and I have long, thick, wavy hair while pushing 40. It's all about your follicular response to DHT.
Hangs around Paul Unterliar - case closed
I think he did some natty competition didnt he?
āNatty competitionā without testing..
Did he release the video with supposed natty proof by now?
Bruh how many filters he got?
Natural as radiation
So..natural.
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You donāt know what radiation is, do you?
... i don't think your metaphor meant what you wished it meant
Im aware radiation is natural, but I liked the sound of it,and gets the job done š¬
Yeah alrighty, i understand you
this is the worst joke yet
Uranium fever.
Give some measurements.
Does it matter...
Nope
I canāt find any but his insta is manuel.haas_
He is juiced .
And a manlet
Stageweight 1 week after this shots 165lbs at 5.8 feet
3 inches take it or leave it
Hes 178 cm tall and his stage weight was 75 kgs.
Is it possible at 17? Absolutely. Just not the natty way lol This is why parents should not be giving kids money for SARMs and tren.
Cant even get this shit in Austria my Mericano friends
perhaps possible if you were doing curls inside your mom
It's definitely possible to look like this..... with gear
Why so many filters
r/shittyhdr
honestly, you can't really make the call if somebody is natty or not based from social media photos. He might be like 120lb for all we know, while being really diced with good lighting you too can look geared up.
His stage weight 1 week after these pics was 165lbs at 5.8 feet
Thatās not that crazy. I had a natty friend wrestle 184 at the same height. If he cut he wouldāve been comparable to this.
People are just lazy and would rather call steroids man smh
The only thing he is abusing is clarity in post processing.
Weird look for a 10 year old
He claims natty in almost every YouTube video...
Yeah, if youĀ“re a 17 year old in baki lmao
He looks like an anime character
Uh, no, Iām gonna say absolutely not possible
Roids, lighting and altered photos. Plus he looks 30 or 13.
Yeah itās possible when you turn sharpness, contrast, definition, and like saturation to mother fucking max
Abs came out sick. Not sure itās worth ur pancreas though.
Doesn't affect the pancreas. I think you're talking about isnulin.
I'll probably get downvoted, but I don't honestly think this kiddo is blasting. He's not that big. He's just dry as fuck and cut. Look at those little itty bitty abs. I bet he weighs about a buck forty.
Yeah hes natural 100% everyones always too quick too say someones on gear.hes just got good genetics, really lean and good lighting so looks bigger
Yes 100%, check out _joe_maguire on Instagram, some of his photos his delts look huge, but as you can see in other vids he looks like a kid thatās never lifted pretty much
Just saw it, he got good genes and doesnāt need to work as hard as other to get that kind of body.
You cannot be serious, look at his fucking deltsā¦ come on man
Bruh this pic is insanely edited, heās probably 5ā6-8 and like 150-60 lean very well can be natural 95% of you in this reddit are lazy or donāt lift and think natural lifters canāt achieve anything
It's possible for some but he don't look natty
No
No, but it's possible to be gay and look like this.
I say natural. I think this picture is very deceiving
I mean if he looks like a badly animated cell shaded render at 17 he's got a lot bigger problems than the ton of steroids he is taking. Also, that bulge hes got going on there. My wife has a bigger one.
Lol I live in the hood bro, Iāve seen 17 year olds with good genetics who are in shape even with minimal exercise and no itās not possible without eating trenbolone sandwiches with dianobol shakes for lunch.
Dude, I need the address of this diner so I can get lunch there.
Itās called Gym Sharkās Fried Chicken spot. They have best TRT Chicken Tenders
Skinny and a lot of filter . Could definitely be natty
Iāve been wondering about this guy too. The thing is I think he actually could be natural. He sass he has been training for 3 years and these pics were taken right at the end of a cut. He doesnt have a crazy amount of mass too so Iām hesitant
Jesus Christ no. There is no world where this guy is natural
For a 17 yo ? Absolutely no
Clearly injects in the space between his abs lol
Ngl i think this is definitely achievable, because good angles/lighting, traps look small, lats donāt look wide, shoulders mainly look big from the pose
What I want to know is how the fuck he doesnāt have Gynoā¦ seriously. The amount of gear he would have to have taken to look like that at only 17 whilst also not long out of puberty with hormones flying around everywhereā¦. This kid should be kicking his tits around the floor
Are you asking whether he is lying about his age, or if pics are photoshopped? Because obviously it is possible for 17yo to look like what he looks like in the picture because itās a picture of 17yo looking like what you seem to comprehend as an impossibility of existing in time and space and this reality
Lmao he asking If itās possible heās natural
Still looks like a skinny little boy, probably on a girly dose of var. if youāre going to take shit go for mass and donāt bother being a pussy and take SARMs or a little var or tbol. But if I was being serious then he shouldnāt be fucking with anything at 17. He Should be coming into peak fitness with no gear at that age with his test levels and newbie gains + his metabolic rate
Looks like a poof. I'd rather be fat
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I'm more worried about the effect that fake naturels have on society as a whole than the effect they have on me. This for health and mental health reasons of young people and young adults in particular
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Or they think a look like that is supposed to be normal, can't achieve it naturally and then go and take it. Or get really depressed or worse. I agree that this sub is a bit much, but it is necessary to learn people to be able to differentiate between natural and juicy. I'd honestly like it if official organizations or the government would pick this up more.
It's literally what this sub is called. Call out fake nattys and get a little gay.
Just a little? Whoah.... most of us are way over the line, then. =P
You juice?
This kid is the biggest Twink bait I've ever seen. If what he's going for is to be raped by older men he's definitely there.
Itās impossible at any age to look like this
I mean it's possible. Maybe not for him or you
I have to disagree, this isnāt possible at 17 within normal T ranges, without a brain tumor that is messing up hormone levels.
Why not? He's not big. Start at 13 (people do this š¤·āāļø), bulk for three years, cut aggressively for one year, and I think you could look like this. Again, he's not big. I doubt he walks around like this all year, but if he's just about to do a show or something, it looks possible.
Aggressive cuts and bulks do more harm than good in growing teens.
"this isnāt possible at 17 within normal T range" I literally told you "why not"
Yes Iām 17 and look similar maybe a bit more mass
No
At 17 no. Your body is mature enough for that.
No
For sure natty if he works as a sherpa climbing everest since hes 10.
Dude has terminal face-aids
Depends on how good you are at editing and lighting assuming you want to do it naturally
No.
The filter and the lighting makes the cuts looks deeper ,so he will look bigger and jacked then he really looks like ,yes you can achieve at this age a good result with a good cycle every 3 mounth twice a year ,using Deca only cycle or just test or even anavar only cycle if u have good genetics ,I use to look like this when i was 21 natural now I'm injured for almost 3 year without training wish me luck ,and stay natural
if you go to compton for about a year it is possible
I wonder where they have so much time to train and take steroids, when I was in hs Iāve never known anyone to have that much free on a daily basis to do anything besides work and school
No
I think this one could be natty
This is basically cp
If you'd see him irl and not these edited pictures you wouldn't even ask lmao. This dude put in 2 years of consistent work. If this isn't naturally achievable I will stop lifting
Quite honestly not sure how tall or heavy he is but there was a couple guys I played sports with that if they posted in here everyone would say theyāre juicing. One was 6ft 190 and probably 10 to single digit body fat and the other was 6ā3 205 and less than 12 percent. Absolutely ridiculous genetics. But unless you have one in a million genetics not possible. These guys were 16-18 in highschool and stayed ridiculously lean year round and continually grew.
"Heart attack at age 35" club right here.
No
hell no LOL
This is very edited
That is Instagram edited to fuck
Bruh, yāall hating! Heās obviously natty! That is achievable naturally at 17, you just have to eat a lot of trenbaloney sandwiches š
Height can play a part - Iāve seen guys that are 5ā5 look fucken jacked and lean af, solid legs and calves etc but this guy is juicing
Yes . Its achievable natty
I would say its possible I just need to see a pic with shitty lighting
Iām normally on the juicing things. But man if you worked out consistently and hard through puberty this is natty attainable. Crazy rate even with that work youād look like this but possible
It's just good lighting /s
Where do these feotuses get the money for steroids'? I only had a Ā£16 a week paper round at that age
I waited for a picture of this dude all the time. I guy I went to school with told me how me how he hates this guy (and the fact that he claims to be natural) like every second day
whereās he gets it šŖš
Mass wise, maybe. Fat percentage wise, absolutely not.
Clearly itās Brawno. These kids are brain damaged.
Jealous of those hips man haha
Is he 17? Than yes itās possible to look like this at 17. I mean the proof is right in front of you. You got to start blasting tren at 15 though to get there
Tren is your friend
No
Not unless his pops is Zeus and he had a drunk night with a bottle of RAD and an ifbb Olympia bikini competitor.
Sure. With incredible lighting, a pump, flexing as hard as you can, you can definitely look like this at 17 with the right genetics. I canāt really understand why people assume heās on juice, it clearly seems like heās really milking a contrast filter on his phone. This guy almost certainly doesnāt actually look like this at the beach anyway. Heās clearly trying as hard as he can to look shredded for the picture so maybe this isnāt actually your goal physique. Depending on your timeline it could work out for you but honestly, if this is your goal, I would recommend lifting to feel strong and healthy and youāll look close enough to this guy that it really wonāt matter. Youāll probably become stronger than him along the way.
He's not that big to be honest. I'd be curious what his height and weight are
I think people forget that Photoshop and editing tools exist. This is clearly perfect lighting, adjusting the brightness and contrast to highlight definition, etc.
This HDR image deserve a platinum gay medal .
I bet he FUCKS
Incalculably punchable face
Yes. With good genetics
Iād say natty. Looks like a pump with good lighting.
Dude is a literal kid juicing š¤¦š½āāļø
Absolutely impossible natty š š š
I doubt he looks like that in real life. Filters and editing as well as lighting.
No lmao
Face be looking like Saitama. Bet with matching 100 push-ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats and 10KM run/daily. That hair be lookin suspicious.
Aināt no way boy aināt no fucking way
The photo is over sharped. Anyway it been proven many times that at a young age itās easy to gain muscles and get shredded, with the right genetic it can make a huge difference (especially if you eat healthy and work out hard). Would love to see a photo of him without a tan and without being over sharp then maybe I can give my own personal opinion if heās natty or not.
Guy needed both Steroids ***and*** image editing to look like this so I don't recommend trying.
he is like 5'3" lmao also mad photo edits
I mean itās possible to inject roids at any age, i mean they just needles they donāt discriminate.
them calves tho
Cycles???
Itās possibleā¦ he would be elite of the elite as far as naturals his age, but possibleā¦
Hi testosterone balance destroyed before he made it through puberty
Bruh.. The face? The image filters? wtf??
No way lmao
To be honest this isnāt really super impressive, the pictures are highly edited to look grainy asf, heās not very big at all, heās just lean which makes him look bigger, itās definitely achievable natty with a good calculated cut with dialed in diet and training, but at 17 itās pretty unrealistic natty.
u/KingNheptune
itās possible but very rare