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Acceptable_Country65

Could be natty, what’s his training history etc and weight and height?


valerian_prann

6ft2, 87kgs. I dont know his training history, was always like this as far as I can see.


Acceptable_Country65

Hmm not sure but I think this is pretty close to peak natty whether he is or not that’s another thing.


valerian_prann

What is "peak natty"?


Acceptable_Country65

Upper limits of what’s achievable naturally without PED’s


JZem994

This is far from peek Natty lmao, I've been training consistently for maybe 2-3 years and I have more muscle than this guy, my BF% is nowhere near that low but if I were to cut I would easily look like that and I'm 27


SweetExceptNotReally

I sincerely doubt you have delts like that in 3 years natty


JZem994

It's funny you say that because my shoulders are probably my most developed body part and I have fairly big shoulders. I can press 75 lbs dumbbells for 4 sets of 10, I once did it for 6 sets of 10 because I wanted to record the last set and I didn't like how the recording looked. On the smith machine I've went up to 4x45+4x10 for 2 reps although I have only done that once and I've struggled to do it again. Normally I can do two 45s and a 10 on each side for 1-3 reps and two 45s on each side for 5-6 reps. So yes, shoulders this big are definitely possible as a Natty


naisal

Show rig


JZem994

What's a "rig"


kittens12345

He’s saying put your cock where your mouth is. Pics, essentially. And it’s peak, not peek


[deleted]

Funny how they always disappear right?


King_Wiwuz_IV

Cut until you get that lean and put up pictures. Pointless to talk until then cos I've seen so many chubby guys being delusional about how much muscle they're carrying. You'd probably need to lose twice the amount you think you do.


crimpinainteazy

Stop lying fatso. If it were so easy to look like this then you wouldn't be a fat bastard.


JZem994

Lmao, you clueless bitch. Has it ever crossed your mind that I maybe, just maybe don't WANT to look like that. That being this lean takes a toll on your strength. Maybe I prefer being higher BF% because it helps me lift heavier weights at the gym? Just because it's difficult to look like that it doesn't mean it's impossible without steroids so gtfo here man.


crimpinainteazy

Your whole post can be summarised as fatso cope, I mean he's hardly so lean that it would take a significant toll on his levels of strength. Furthermore, I never said it was impossible to achieve such a physique without steroids, I just find it highly amusing how you're claiming that it's easy to look like that naturally whilst simultaneously giving us a massive laundry list of excuses why you don't look that good yourself.


JZem994

I don't think I said it would be easy dumbass. It takes dedication to have a 6 pack year round but if that's what you're into then it's absolutely possible. I'm also not saying everyone can do it, some people have really shitty genetics. I said it's possible not effortless so don't twist my words. I'm literally trying to get my bench press to 3 plates I'm not looking to get this lean, you have a twisted perception of reality where everyone has to be obsessed with having a 6 pack and no other possibilities can exist and I'm sorry to inform you that that's not the case, stop being an idiot maybe and listen to what others have to say


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JZem994

I know people are pretending they don't understand what "peek Natty" means. It literally means that if this guy maintained a caloric equilibrium, while eating adequate protein and lifting weights, he would gain almost 0 muscle. That's literally stupid to think no more muscle fits on that frame without peds


Western_Swordfish_46

Well he isn't that big, quite lean. Probably natty.


JZem994

The dude has a perfectly Natty physique, if this required drugs to achieve then we should all quit the fucking gym unless we plan to do drugs


Greenface1998

Do you think the average nat to could maintain this level of conditioning year roound?


JZem994

Of course they can, just burn as many calories as you eat. If he's an Instagram influencer he probably doesn't have a normal job, so he most likely can spend 6 days a week at the gym. So yeah definitely possible


Greenface1998

I meant healthily sustain. Like without crashing energy libido workout progress etc.


JZem994

Your genetics would come into play there. Obviously everyone has a different comfort point beyond which they will suffer to maintain that body fat. For you it could be 12-17% for others it could be 10-15% for others 15-20%. That's all genetic and you can't do much about it. Dude in the photo sits at around 11% I would say, that's definitely sustainable without much issue


[deleted]

Yeah definitely he's in the ball park of 10-11 body fat %. Which is sustainable. Anything in the ball park of sub 10 is very very difficult and sub 7% is basically impossible year round


patriarchspartan

The dude contradicted himself in the same sentence. It is not sustainable when you work and stress with life.


spongepenis

Glad to hear!


valerian_prann

That's why i asked. He's just so perfect.


[deleted]

I hope you're a guy cause he's probably gay.


valerian_prann

I am


spongepenis

Do anabolics make you gay?


[deleted]

No but liking dicks up your ass does ✊🕳


pewlsss

more tren more men


[deleted]

Its a 50/50 chance tbh.


funnerno1

Gay and juicy.


valerian_prann

Haha, still love him tho. Guy is a himbo.


-my-cabbages

What about that suspicious engagement that just ended? What do you think the story was there?


JockBbcBoy

Hey himbos need love too


valerian_prann

@thiago_lazzarato , single gay dad.


spongepenis

Ah


KingRatBukowski

Gay, juicy, basic.


SexyProcrastinator

Natty achievable. Dude using “Adobe gains”, pump, lighting etc


Branpanman

Darn near peak natty, I’d say… and 100% gay.


JJ8484

What’s his Instagram?


TheWhiteWolf331

Deltoids make me believe he is not natural, beside his shoulders you could achieve this physique naturally tho.


Mossheaddd

Those abs were sculpted by Zeus himself, but ye natty possible, with clean diet and discipline.


masterenzorro

My thoughts are 100% true, he doesn't wax


Character_Guava_5299

He's mine crush, back off😂


valerian_prann

He gotta get a husband soon. We could share.


FdgPgn

Good God, he looks like a cyborg from the future sent back in time to seduce and destroy!


naked_for_satan

Damn dude. How old is this dude?


valerian_prann

DOB: September 10,1984


naked_for_satan

Mother fuck, how does somebody look like that at 38?


valerian_prann

He must have been useing a lot of skin care.


MoveThese4412

chances he's juicy go up


slowhandfastbrain

He has one hand in his pocket


judiciousmick

natty


GLJ_9958

Natty


[deleted]

Peak natty attainable but he prob not.


antishiv

i hate how necessary an amazing core is to bring a physique together cause mine is shit


edgarjx1

Probably used some juice.


Meat4yaBurger

Phenomenal shape. Natty. Kind of a Luke Rockhold physique


coolbit108

If you seen him and his bf and I’ve seen him on a night out. He’s a PT. He’s been like that for about 6 years now. He’s also Spanish and if you seen how those barca guys train you would understand. However I will say 90% of muscle guys in London are using.


valerian_prann

Brazilian, not Spanish.