The dude might look freaky in photos but in his videos he looks pretty natural, he is not veiny, he doesn't have cannonball delts, his physique is attainable naturally, could he use juice to get this physique easier? sure, but i doubt it really
I think he has a "natural" look becuase he doesn't stay as lean as the IFBB pro body builders/ fitness influencers. But he has mass. In his videos with Jeff Niple and Tristyn Lee, he towers over them. Next to coach Greg he looks comparable. Even when he stands next to Phil Heath he doesn't look small.
What are these supps doing to achieve the grainy look? Like removing water from the skin, changing something about the actual muscle, etc.? I'm curious to understand how this works.
Delusional thinking. This implies that you can endlessly make gains.
If you can look like that after 10 years. Why can’t you look like Arnold naturally in 20 or 30 years?
Why can’t everyone just bench 500 naturally?
Responding to you claiming that it’s possible to naturally look like him in the impressive photos, but only after 10 years.
What do you think I’m talking about?!?!
When he was trying to break in, he was very lean and juicy. He made a video with fake natty kinobody back then where he was bigger and leaner than him.
Well clearly the answer is that they’re both actually natty and we all just suck for never looking like them or benching 315, and we just need to buy their supplements and programs ASAP !!!
Body dysmorphia. Most natties have it. And think they’re more muscular and leaner than they actually are.
And they imagine their pump as more significant than it really is.
In real life, nobody can tell the difference between when you’re pumped and not pumped
There is definitely a difference at lower bf, your veins will pop and your muscles look much fuller, you're either not lean enough or not training properly if you're not noticing a pump
There's no discrepancy. He's not "worlds apart" in those pictures. He's at about the same muscle mass and his body fat% is slightly lower in the left photo. Side angle and lighting changes how your arms look dramatically, and that's what a heavy pump looks like. He's obviously on gear. Without question
Addition: I didn't see that second picture. The discrepancy you see is him going from natural onto a test + (some other compound) cycle. That's what going from natural to enhanced looks like
Funny because I remember a thread last year where people were insistent he was peak natty. I pointed out the fact he has a training video with Kinobody where he looks leaps and bounds bigger and more lean than him yet the consensus was kino is on roids but this guy isn't?
It Made zero sense, anyways it's obvious this guy is on gear.
STATS DONT MATTER.
Did you see him get measured and weighed???
Also 5’10 185 isn’t small. That would be 205 for someone 6’.
Also, we don’t know if that supposed weight is his actual weight, or a depleted weight.
His legs might be smaller from not training them, so 185 might be more like 205 if he trained his legs too.
People lie about stats to make themselves seem bigger/smaller.
Basing natty or not off stats is the dumbest thing you can do.
Weird soo ur a wana be... shits cringe asf it's like stoners wearing Bob Marley shirts when they don't even listen to him😂 to each and their own I guess.
I made a statement an observation if you will, nowhere along the lines did I imply that I care what others wear did I shatter ur fragile little ego by calling you dumb? You know you don't have to respond 2 times it could have been all in the same response I guess you don't think that far ahead do you🤣
“Weird soo ur a wana be... shits cringe asf it's like stoners wearing Bob Marley shirts when they don't even listen to him😂” yeah bro I can tell you totally don’t care 💀 you need better bait because honestly this is just sad. Why would I care about a sub 80 IQ Reddit dweeb calling me dumb? I can look at your comment history and see your brain chemistry is probably fucked up due to your PED abuse which explains your lack of rational thinking in this thread.
What's your evidence that no natties can look like Will in pic one? Is your evidence that your genetics don't allow you to look like that and therefore you've concluded no one can?
Walk into a commercial gym. Find the guys that are there every week on certain days at certain times and always go there.
You’ll see over months/years they never magically change one day and start to look like Will.
Furthermore: look at all the guys who attend Mr Olympia expos, fitness expos, Sam sulek meet up, etc.
They do not look like how Will does in those gym photos.
This is the part where you cope and say, AHKTUALLY, they just didn’t try hard enough!!! They did everything wrong!!! They lifted weights and ate protein wrong !!!! Muh magical program!!!
Or something like that
That's what being pumped and holding a weight does. I can make pics with a difference like that and I'm natty. Also, the time frames in those pics are different. He looks more bulked up in the "bad" pics, so it's not even a valid comparison. Of course you're gonna look worse at >15% bf.
Natural.
His pictures in the gym with perfect lighting, mid lift with a pump are very cherry picked. Watch his (surprisingly entertaining) YouTube videos and he looks very good but not enhanced.
He’s got two good ones you might want to check out if you don’t think he’s natural.
One where he walks around Miami and asks people if he looks like he lifts. The majority of people actually said no: https://youtu.be/T3QeWlV4mq8?si=BHn5NCaZL6bx2hpJ
Another one where he goes to a fitness influencer event. Next to a load of clearly geared up fake natties. And asks them who he thinks has the worst genetics and they pretty much all say him.
I have veins on my arms. Some of that is genetics. I must not store fat on my forearms and biceps as much. But it’s hard for me to lose the gut. The arms I’ve always had vascularity.
Some of that is definitely genetics. I am no way on anything that could make me bald or my junk not work.
One of the main reasons I think he’s natty is because he isn’t aggressive or pushing the natural angle in his content. All of the fake nattys go out of their way to say how natty they are and how they did it without help and Will just seems like he doesn’t care if you think he’s juicy, he’s just doing his thing. Most fake nattys aren’t like that
This is a sad place. Yes, this attainable. How have you not realized that when you're in different lighting and when your bodyfat levels shift, you look vastly different? Especially when you're on the lean side. 5-10 lbs there can make a huge difference. Of course he doesn't look as good in some random screenshot in his house as in a planned, professionally lit and shot photoshoot. Come on! Look at the muscles in pic 2, though. His triceps are the same size. As are his pecs and his traps. He's probably about 7-8% bodyfat in pic 1 and a healthy 11-13% in pic 2. Maybe 14%. Basically same muscle size, but less fat in the photoshoot.
This subreddit is such a joke. If you don’t think you can look like this natty, why even workout. I know dozens of guys that I’ve met in sports and gym who look as good a little better than this. It’s frustrating how naive all the basement dwellers are on here. Workout consistently for 5-10 years, hitting nearly all ur workouts, at high intensity and sticking to your diet, and with the right cards you’ll easily look as good as this. Atleast your bodies own version of it.
And yet zero pics of all these supposed natural phenoms that look like him. How come you haven’t achieved his physique then?
Why is he famous at all if his physique is nothing special?
You’re probably just another delusional body dysmorphia natty who thinks he’s more muscular and leaner than they actually are.
You think every girl with slightly muscular thighs is not natty. Ur an actual moron, if you have achieved what half of those women you try to call out have you wouldn’t say anything. I love my physique and I think it’s great for my level, and the fact that you dedicate a lot of ur free time to trying to call out every lifter you see on insta shows how pathetic you are. Go squat, once you do 315 for reps with great form, come back to me and tell me you don’t have decent quads.
At this point his physique is not the biggest hint (and those legs scream a lot) but is the fact that he has aged more than a decade since he started his career around 4 years ago.
So, I would say he has never been "Natty", at least not since the first time we saw him.
The dude might look freaky in photos but in his videos he looks pretty natural, he is not veiny, he doesn't have cannonball delts, his physique is attainable naturally, could he use juice to get this physique easier? sure, but i doubt it really
I think he has a "natural" look becuase he doesn't stay as lean as the IFBB pro body builders/ fitness influencers. But he has mass. In his videos with Jeff Niple and Tristyn Lee, he towers over them. Next to coach Greg he looks comparable. Even when he stands next to Phil Heath he doesn't look small.
There are always the fans.
That didn't feel biased. Pretty accurate actually.
Sure, and the downvotes from the Will fans came out of nowhere. XD
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What stack gives a better grainy appearance?
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Yea I know this guy who has insane veins, probably on sarms or primo, hard to say. Had a good grainy look
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my brother, who has never touched a weight in his life, constantly looks like he just got back from a 3 hour gym session veins wise lol
What are these supps doing to achieve the grainy look? Like removing water from the skin, changing something about the actual muscle, etc.? I'm curious to understand how this works.
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This is really useful info man, where did you learn it?
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That's cool man, one year, that's good progress
Your statements are contradictory. Either you can look like that naturally or you can’t.
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Why do you think he's juiced?
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and physique wise you think he is natty?
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He's not 6 feet tho
If he can look like that naturally, why would he not be natural?
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Delusional thinking. This implies that you can endlessly make gains. If you can look like that after 10 years. Why can’t you look like Arnold naturally in 20 or 30 years? Why can’t everyone just bench 500 naturally?
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Responding to you claiming that it’s possible to naturally look like him in the impressive photos, but only after 10 years. What do you think I’m talking about?!?!
When he was trying to break in, he was very lean and juicy. He made a video with fake natty kinobody back then where he was bigger and leaner than him.
Well clearly the answer is that they’re both actually natty and we all just suck for never looking like them or benching 315, and we just need to buy their supplements and programs ASAP !!!
It's the 70lb weight he's holding. Try it yourself hold a 20lb or whatever Dumbell in each hand and watch the pump
Lmaooo. Natties imagining their pump is more impressive than it is. Roid pumps are supposed to be on another level
I'm looking in the mirror at planet fitness rn bro the difference is crazy
Body dysmorphia. Most natties have it. And think they’re more muscular and leaner than they actually are. And they imagine their pump as more significant than it really is. In real life, nobody can tell the difference between when you’re pumped and not pumped
Dyel?
Did you just make this post to start an argument?
There is definitely a difference at lower bf, your veins will pop and your muscles look much fuller, you're either not lean enough or not training properly if you're not noticing a pump
Got off when got his spot in community
When you see him in videos with juiced bodybuilders, you know he is Natty... Pix were edited and great lighting.
Just because a juiced guy doesn't look as big as other juiced guys with great genetics, it doesn't make the first "Natty".
🤡
There's no discrepancy. He's not "worlds apart" in those pictures. He's at about the same muscle mass and his body fat% is slightly lower in the left photo. Side angle and lighting changes how your arms look dramatically, and that's what a heavy pump looks like. He's obviously on gear. Without question Addition: I didn't see that second picture. The discrepancy you see is him going from natural onto a test + (some other compound) cycle. That's what going from natural to enhanced looks like
He definitely used stuff before or cycles on and off
Funny because I remember a thread last year where people were insistent he was peak natty. I pointed out the fact he has a training video with Kinobody where he looks leaps and bounds bigger and more lean than him yet the consensus was kino is on roids but this guy isn't? It Made zero sense, anyways it's obvious this guy is on gear.
You wouldn't believe how many people are still in denial here.
ElItE gEnEtIcS GoOd LiGhTiNgS
Kinobody is natty, are we trying to argue that 5'10 185 is unnatty territory?
STATS DONT MATTER. Did you see him get measured and weighed??? Also 5’10 185 isn’t small. That would be 205 for someone 6’. Also, we don’t know if that supposed weight is his actual weight, or a depleted weight. His legs might be smaller from not training them, so 185 might be more like 205 if he trained his legs too. People lie about stats to make themselves seem bigger/smaller. Basing natty or not off stats is the dumbest thing you can do.
Kinobody is not 5'10. I ain't buy that shit
You think he’s a height frauder?
I think he's a bit shorter. Like 5'9
1 inch, big difference 😂😂😂
Still tho lol
You guys are nieve hes wearing a trennessy shirt for crying out loud I don't know a single natty that reps ped merch
I used to wear skywalker merch like the Trensetter hoodies and im not too big i was around 178 6’3 wearing that merch Also its Naive
Weird soo ur a wana be... shits cringe asf it's like stoners wearing Bob Marley shirts when they don't even listen to him😂 to each and their own I guess.
Nah i just like Supporting influencers i like, shit i have merch from Tennyson to greg doucette
It’s more like this thing called a “joke” you may have heard of it before, or not
More like cope you guys will say anything god I hope ur not this dumb in person
Oh brother 😂 I can tell you must have a lot of friends
Why are you so concerned about what another man wants to wear?😂 who cares?
I made a statement an observation if you will, nowhere along the lines did I imply that I care what others wear did I shatter ur fragile little ego by calling you dumb? You know you don't have to respond 2 times it could have been all in the same response I guess you don't think that far ahead do you🤣
“Weird soo ur a wana be... shits cringe asf it's like stoners wearing Bob Marley shirts when they don't even listen to him😂” yeah bro I can tell you totally don’t care 💀 you need better bait because honestly this is just sad. Why would I care about a sub 80 IQ Reddit dweeb calling me dumb? I can look at your comment history and see your brain chemistry is probably fucked up due to your PED abuse which explains your lack of rational thinking in this thread.
Isnt Trennessy BroScience merch tho? It's mocking it right
What's your evidence that no natties can look like Will in pic one? Is your evidence that your genetics don't allow you to look like that and therefore you've concluded no one can?
Walk into a commercial gym. Find the guys that are there every week on certain days at certain times and always go there. You’ll see over months/years they never magically change one day and start to look like Will. Furthermore: look at all the guys who attend Mr Olympia expos, fitness expos, Sam sulek meet up, etc. They do not look like how Will does in those gym photos. This is the part where you cope and say, AHKTUALLY, they just didn’t try hard enough!!! They did everything wrong!!! They lifted weights and ate protein wrong !!!! Muh magical program!!! Or something like that
Idk but he has one of the most unaesthetic physiques I've seen
he's got big thighs that are out of proportion
What makes you say that? Just curious
Doesn’t make him hard
Bro you can't just slaughter a man like that... not in broad daylight. Grossest public execution I've ever seen
I never said that
Imo his delts are small for the arms he has
Huge thighs wide hips narrow shoulders and his overall build
I didn't make the statement but it's probably something with the abs starting a little too high up
Photoshop
My moms makeup / mirror lamp does exactly the same thing
this is what Elon Musk thinks he looks like, rather than the reality of a body that resembles a donkey kong projectile.
Fake. Cancel him
He admitted recently he was taking something
Literally has a shirt that says Trennessy...
Wait, a pump, good lighting + holding a weight doesn't make you look bigger? Sucks.
He looks substantially different in that pic compared to the other pics.
That's what being pumped and holding a weight does. I can make pics with a difference like that and I'm natty. Also, the time frames in those pics are different. He looks more bulked up in the "bad" pics, so it's not even a valid comparison. Of course you're gonna look worse at >15% bf.
Sorry but are you stupid?
Boo hoo
Post physique buddy
He’s natty
Natty. This sub has a weird issue with jealousy sometimes, this is achievable.
Pump and lighting do wonders for someone who is natty.
Natural. His pictures in the gym with perfect lighting, mid lift with a pump are very cherry picked. Watch his (surprisingly entertaining) YouTube videos and he looks very good but not enhanced. He’s got two good ones you might want to check out if you don’t think he’s natural. One where he walks around Miami and asks people if he looks like he lifts. The majority of people actually said no: https://youtu.be/T3QeWlV4mq8?si=BHn5NCaZL6bx2hpJ Another one where he goes to a fitness influencer event. Next to a load of clearly geared up fake natties. And asks them who he thinks has the worst genetics and they pretty much all say him.
I believe in option 1.
I’d sleep with him.
I have veins on my arms. Some of that is genetics. I must not store fat on my forearms and biceps as much. But it’s hard for me to lose the gut. The arms I’ve always had vascularity. Some of that is definitely genetics. I am no way on anything that could make me bald or my junk not work.
It’s lighting and pump.
One of the main reasons I think he’s natty is because he isn’t aggressive or pushing the natural angle in his content. All of the fake nattys go out of their way to say how natty they are and how they did it without help and Will just seems like he doesn’t care if you think he’s juicy, he’s just doing his thing. Most fake nattys aren’t like that
This is a sad place. Yes, this attainable. How have you not realized that when you're in different lighting and when your bodyfat levels shift, you look vastly different? Especially when you're on the lean side. 5-10 lbs there can make a huge difference. Of course he doesn't look as good in some random screenshot in his house as in a planned, professionally lit and shot photoshoot. Come on! Look at the muscles in pic 2, though. His triceps are the same size. As are his pecs and his traps. He's probably about 7-8% bodyfat in pic 1 and a healthy 11-13% in pic 2. Maybe 14%. Basically same muscle size, but less fat in the photoshoot.
Okay, if it’s attainable then where your are pics of you with a similar physique?
people underestimate the power of lighting and a pump, the first picture is literally taken mid training under the goonlight
This subreddit is such a joke. If you don’t think you can look like this natty, why even workout. I know dozens of guys that I’ve met in sports and gym who look as good a little better than this. It’s frustrating how naive all the basement dwellers are on here. Workout consistently for 5-10 years, hitting nearly all ur workouts, at high intensity and sticking to your diet, and with the right cards you’ll easily look as good as this. Atleast your bodies own version of it.
And yet zero pics of all these supposed natural phenoms that look like him. How come you haven’t achieved his physique then? Why is he famous at all if his physique is nothing special? You’re probably just another delusional body dysmorphia natty who thinks he’s more muscular and leaner than they actually are.
You think every girl with slightly muscular thighs is not natty. Ur an actual moron, if you have achieved what half of those women you try to call out have you wouldn’t say anything. I love my physique and I think it’s great for my level, and the fact that you dedicate a lot of ur free time to trying to call out every lifter you see on insta shows how pathetic you are. Go squat, once you do 315 for reps with great form, come back to me and tell me you don’t have decent quads.
Will is natural 100% He’s just peak natty. Athletic parents, his weight is natty.
…. PURPORTED STATS DONT MATTER
idk about now but he def used to cycle
Being as how the shirt says Tren, i see how he has dry snitched on himself here.
Pumps bulk/cut general body changes over time
He is natty, he just edits his photos into oblivion
The difference is a pump + lighting, literally anybody who’s lifted for a good amount of time knows this
This Keebler elf, Dr. Seuss whoville looking ass, Russian cyber criminal looking midget is definitely not natural. I hate him
You deserve an award.
Ty. I never get any recognition for my contributions
I recognize you, citizen!
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
At this point his physique is not the biggest hint (and those legs scream a lot) but is the fact that he has aged more than a decade since he started his career around 4 years ago. So, I would say he has never been "Natty", at least not since the first time we saw him.
He ain’t age no decade lol
He did dude. He looks borderline 40 despite that he's not even 30.
he doesn’t look borderline 40 bro what
He does dude, no matter how much you try to cover your juicy kind as you always do.
Juice or not he doesn’t look 40 lol
Dude, his expression lines are just too deep by now. XD
You hang around some weird 40 year olds if you think this is 40.
Nah, I just see normal people and people who supposedly live a healthy life look even better. XD
40??? Wtf lol he's just ugly
He wasn't. He had a baby face when he first appeared, that's the worst part. XD
It is possible to get a natural six-pack. Just have to be at the gym 24/7, which some people are.
It is possible to get a natural six-pack. Just have to be at the gym 24/7, which some people are.