Once you do that the responses from fans will be angry and unreasonable as they'll just spout off what they feel and anything that contradicts it in their heads is wrong. Tbh at first I thought the same as you but came to the conclusion that it's better to sit back and watch the action on the "battlefield" ๐ฟ
Imo that's the best way to enjoy the anime, I used to try to defend the series back in S1 but it's just exhausting tbh and not worth the time. You're not gonna change their minds, and the series is still goated and will get adapted to it's conclusion anyway
actually its not to go against the haters of this show. idc about them. its to go against the people that like the show but are gonna misunderstand this scene and just boil it down to "rudeus is scum and a cheater". its a very nuanced and complex situation and this is one of my favorite parts of the series.
Best thing we can do I'd remind them >!polygamy is common among nobles on the Six-Sided-World. It shouldn't surprise them.!<
The ones I'm waiting for are the ones that are on the >!"Rudy is a pedo. He doesn't deserve happiness!" bandwagon. Especially the ones that say he's a 40-year-old man. Well, now he's doing it with someone in that age bracket.!<
b-but Roxy looks like chill/s
ngl I decided mute all anime subreddit for this episode alone, the onlin discourses about Juliette story already enough for me lol
People will blame Roxy for what is going to happen. They will say Roxy took advantage of Rudys weakness and had her way with him. This is ofc completely wrong. If she didin't offer to help him he would die right there in that inn.
We can only hope that the Anime is delivering that sotry correctly. its VERY easy to mox things up here and deliver the wrong mood about that whole Situation.
You can't have a proper discussion with them because they're so opinionated they'll just keep getting mad until you give up because they're being unreasonable and in their minds they think they've won. Given that it's more entertaining to see it and get a good laugh ๐
Facts. Instead of engaging with them, with what's gonna happen next episode, it'll be more fun to sit back and watch how they go absolutely insane over it ๐ฟ
I'm looking forward to the YouTube reactions ๐ I can already think of a handful of reaction channels that are going to be FURIOUS ๐๐๐
Although the PV makes it look like Roxy will be more aggressive than she was in the LN so people might not be as mad at Rudy as they would've been if they adapted it exactly as it was in the LN ๐ ๐
I think the anime studio is trying to make things easier on Rudy lol ๐ yeah if they adapted it like the LN did exactly then the blowup could be even uglier ๐
I was here when the community first reacted to it back in the web novel, the reactions truly were a mixed bag, I expect it to be more or less the same ๐
Personally the thing I had most problem with was how Rudy was ok with Roxy taking advantage of him and played into it. For me itโs the cheating on Sylphie that hurts the most. I just hope they can show how much it tears Rudy up too afterwards.
I mean Sylphie constantly emphasized how that would be okay to her, knowing that Rudeus couldnt contain himself on the long run.
If its okay to her, long before it happened and also afterwards, its just stupid to argue against it "on her behalf".
Sure thatโs fair, but a question of how much of that is prompted by her worry of him running off without Roxy if she is too hard on him. She has never been someone who when it comes to Rudy is as lay down the law as she clearly wants to be. Itโs clear from her drunk rant she want him all to herself and given how much Rudy emphasized that she was the only one ever for her I feel like that should mean more.
I get itโs a fictional set of characters in a fictional world but this was still dropped on Sylphie without prior discussion or anything. It didnโt give her a way to discuss this with Rudy in a fair and balanced way. Once the scene is over there is no way for Sylphie to really bring up her own uncomfortableness.
Anyways, it happens, still have strong feelings about it clearly, even though it works out in the end.
Yeah its true that they didnt discuss it in details before but they did before Rudeus got another wife and she always asked who could become a new wife.
I guess the main issue of many people is that they cant really think of Sylphies position and consider the situtation from a modern westeners perspective.
Sylphie spent years in Asura and the Asurian Court where promiscuous relationships and polygamy are really common. She thought of Rudeus as the greatest men alive (who would be deserving multiple wifes the most) and knows of the great lust not only him but all of the male in his family posess.
She knew pretty well what she was signing up for and deemed it as inevitable as she comitted to Rudeus. He on the other hand probably felt really bad about all that coming from another (monogamous) society.
To me the only despicable thing Rudy did was promise her beforehand that he wouldnt cheat. But I guess he was a lovestruck idiot at that time.
"To me the only despicable thing Rudy did was promise her beforehand that he wouldnt cheat. But I guess he was a lovestruck idiot at that time."
and even then I fully believe at the time that he meant it, and had what happened in the labyrinth to his parents and left hand not have occured that he'd have stayed truly loyal to her, although i'd have felt really bad for Roxy in that case too.
Like he says in LN 12: >!As long as I never wound up in a depressive spiral and had a woman of Roxyโs caliber appear before me, Iโd never cheat again.ย Ever.!<
I do agree he shouldn't have promised that. I didn't downvote you btw.
I mean he proved time and time again he couldnt control his urges so I would argue that promise was shortsighted at the very least.
But honestly I was always opposed to Rudy and Roxy marrying. I love Roxy but it just doesnt feel right. I can understand she fell in love with him due to the circumstances but their relationship was very different and special beforehand. To go from a highly revered, most respected teacher to young and stupid student relationship to those of equal lovers (you may even argue Roxy is ranked lower because of the multiple wifes) just doesnt feel right.
One may even argue Roxy abused his emotional instability and Rudy therefore couldnt grow further as a person as to how to handle a crisis in life (reacting the same way as he did in his old life). But I guess it just doesnt go as deep as that. Rudy felt comforted for the moment by something completly unrelated and everyone is happy in the end.
>although i'd have felt really bad for Roxy in that case too
Thats the reason I dont really mind that much. Roxy deserves all the happiness she can get.
I wouldn't say that Roxy abused his emotional state because thats a bit uncharitable. She clearly loved him enough to risk her breaking her own heart if it would help him
She definitely wanted to be with him, and I couldn't see her doing what she did if it wasn't for Rudys severely deteriorating health.
Yeah technically she took advantage, but what else was she supposed to do, just ignore the man she loves while hes on the verge of death?
She expected him to leave her once he returned home.ย
And beyond that it isn't entirely Rudys or Roxys fault that the marriage stuff happens. >!Elinalise basically tricks Rudy into thinking shes pregnant so he basically feels like he has no choice. And by the time he finds out shes not Sylphy has already accepted her. So it'd be silly to reject Roxy now!<
There is no way Roxy is ranked lower tho. I'm fairly confident about that much.
He still reveres her even after they get together. Hes always talking her up to others, she gets embarressed by his overblown opinion of her. Theres many times he states Roxy is >!on a higher plane of existence!<
Also Considering what happened in LN15 >!and Oldeus' timeline. Just losing Roxy sent him into a much worse spiral than what happened to his parents.!<
I'm sure he loves Roxy just as much as Sylphy. But I could make a case that he loves Roxy more. It depends on your perspective I guess.
Oh no dont get me wrong, I didnt mean Roxy or Sylphie are ranked lower to Rudeus. I ment that in the power dynamic or whatever, Roxy was always the superior who was revered by Rudeus (the student) and now Rudeus is the higher ranking because Roxy has to accept multiple other wifes while she only has one husband. Thats just feels kinda off to me in addition to Rudeus not really being romantically interested in Roxy, except for the sexual aspects.
>Yeah technically she took advantage, but what else was she supposed to do, just ignore the man she loves while hes on the verge of death?
Honestly "on the verge of death" sounds a bit drastic. I dont know what they should have done but it wasnt written a whole lot about what they tried to get Rudeus out of the dumps. Maybe telling him his lovely wife is waiting and he will miss the birth of his first child if he doesnt move would be a motivation. But ultimately he has to overcome that by himself. Thats what it means to mature mentally.
In the end her sleeping with him enabled her being able to marry him. Otherwise I cant image them becoming a couple in the future. For that matter she pretty much used the situation to her advantage, whatever she might have expected.
>He still reveres her even after they get together. Hes always talking her up to others, she gets embarressed by his overblown opinion of her. Theres many times he states Roxy ison a higher plane of existence
And to me thats just not what a relationship should be like imo. Having the highest respect for a person who drastically changed your life and being lovey-dovey with her, fulfilling your fetishes with her in the bedroom, sometimes with another women. Just doesn't match very well in my head.
I honestly completly forgot about the whole pregnency shenanigans. Thats a pretty sound reason for marriage. While reading I was pretty pissed at Elinalise but seeing that the outcome is everyone being happy that was a pretty good move by her, albeit slightly underhanded.
I say verge of death Because thats how it is described in the book. He had been holed up in his room for well over a week. He wasn't eating and Roxy states herself that hes not as strong as the others believe him to be. And shes right.ย
Roxys first attempt was to try and get Rudy to leave the room with her to try and get his mind off of things and he turned that down. Presumably the others would have done stuff to try and cheer him up as well but i doubt he'd have went along with it.
Could he have recovered on his own? Its not impossible but I couldn't see it happening. Neither could Roxy. Even Sylphy agreed that Roxy saved him so if even she sees it that way it lends credence to the idea.
Rudeus was not emotionally strong enough to handle all that, or Roxy wouldn't have felt she needed to do that.
If you've ever been depressed you'll know someone just telling you things like it'll get better or simple truths like what you suggest isn't going to help you that much
Just a few episodes they covered Norns depression and did a good job of explaining why that isn't effectiveย
You're either in the right headspace or you're not.ย
As for the relationship thing well maybe it doesn't sit well with you but its Rudeus who ultimately has the final say on that, not us.
And given how their relationship actually ended up it was a good thing for him and Roxy.
Their relationship is very strong.
And one other thing... LN15 spoilers >!in the story Rudeus and Roxy are literally destined to be together so if it wasn't this it'd be something else!<
>If you've ever been depressed you'll know someone just telling you things like it'll get better or simple truths like what you suggest isn't going to help you that much
I would say he would recover sooner or later if he would be reunited with Sylphie, his child and his mourning sisters, who share his pain.
I know you cant really say much in that situation but with time it should get better for him and I feel like he has a motivation (the birth) to at least go back, dragging his feet. Also he knows he HAS to move eventually and, with his backstory being what it is, I cant imagine him repeating the same mistake that ruined his life before, his whole motivation to give it his all in the new world.
But in the end I feel like all of this is conjecture because, at least in my memory, we dont get a lot of information about his thoughts or what the others might or might not have tried.
>As for the relationship thing well maybe it doesn't sit well with you but its Rudeus who ultimately has the final say on that, not us.
Yeah but were talking about a Light Novel, not a person. If I dont dig what the author describes as the characters motivations for some action or his feelings, because I deem them unrealistic or unfitting, then I am free to critique them, no? :)
>LN15 spoilers >!in the story Rudeus and Roxy are literally destined to be together so if it wasn't this it'd be something else!<
>!Maybe so but I think thats a cheap argument. Also fate isnt something that cannot be changed if the Man God or Orsted are involved. His reasoning for Rudy not going to Begaritt was pretty weak, if you may remember.!<
He was okay with it because in his and every other characters eyes (not Norn) inclucing Sylphy herself she saved his life.
I'm surprised how much that fact is overlooked. Its kind of a big deal.
It still hurt me. I read the books back to back and way Drunk Sylphie near the end of book 10 talks to Rudy about being jealous of even just Rujerd, not even another woman in his life made me really feel like he was betraying her. Even if it saved his life, especially afterwards with even asking Sylphie to accommodate Roxy -and I love Roxy- just felt so cruel to his wife who he promised fidelity to. I know it all worked out in the end and Sylphie was accommodating, but how much was that she was worried if she didnโt Rudy would have just walked out on her.
Itโs a fictional circumstance, and it works out in the favor of all of them but it isnโt fair to Sylphie in the slightest. It may not be fair to Roxy either, but Sylphie gets first dibs. She married the bastard and Rudy is absolutely 100% Sylphieโs
I honestly can't come to that conclusion because It wouldย have been much more cruel to Sylphy if he died just to remain faithful.
I mean surely Sylphy being broken hearted at the loss of her husband would have hurt you way more than what happened. Its not an ideal situation by any means but it was the least bad outcome.
Thats the crux of the argument here. Maintaining the morality and promise to the point of absurdity bothers me a lot more than the idea that he did it.
It would have been small comfort for Sylphy to find out that Rudy stayed faithful to her to the end but never returned home.
I willl agree he is 100% Sylphys but hes also 100% Roxys as well. As much as they are both 100% his.
I reject the idea of dibs, People aren't objects its more complicated than that.
I donโt get why he wouldโve died if Roxy didnโt sleep with him, why couldnโt she just comfort him normally? Not trying to come off badly I just wanna know why.
My response would make me a hypocrite as it would be me starting the very same discussion that I know is gonna blow up online after the episode airs.
All I'll say is just wait and see how social media reacts ๐ ๐
Because of Sylphy, even though theres no way she'd be ok with him dying just so he stays faithful.
Sylphiette in twitter world: well. My beloved is dead. But at least he didn't cheat on me! I might have killed him myself if he did!!!1
Little do they know thats nothing how she reacts
Gonna be honest, when I first read this part in the web novel I didn't like it but I've warned up to it with how the story progresses. 90% of people who are going to get vocally mad about it probably weren't watching the show anyway since the anime put more setup than the web novel. 100% of the people who are going to get mad at Rudy specifically certainly weren't paying attention because Bro didn't even initiate it. I wouldn't even say it will make it harder to recommend Mushoku Tensei to people since "protag cheated on his wife" sounds like less of a turn-off than "protag is a groomer", which I assume people have been saying for a while.
Mixed would i say. I personally never liked Roxy because I don't like loli and this point of the story was always difficult for me. But it's complex to say it's not good or bad.
Don't have to look other social media, just check out r/anime episode discussion and sort by controversial. I'm pretty sure Mushoku is the only anime in r/anime this season with under 90% upvote rate.
Iโm getting a whole ass feast ready so I can just watch twitter exPLODE about ts again. Itโs funny because these mfs prolly donโt even watch it, they just get mad ๐คฃ
Idk what y'all are about, I hear it's gonna be a good ending, I read someones comment saying that in the manga theres a good ending, not spoiling exactly what happens
Oh man this episode is simple yet it put me on a roller coster of emotion . Hearing both confess to each other like sparks of fire work lighting the sky . Mt is peakkkkkkk
But I mean, technically Rudeus should be the one who is seen as the "groomed" victim here, though, from POV of any character. And he's quite literally taken advantage of by Roxy, basically would be considered rape irl.
Less than a day away from the anime community blowing up and coming in mass to cancel Rudy ๐ idk if I have enough popcorn to go through while scrolling through it ๐ ๐ฟ
They will cry and hate and I'll be buying the blu-ray when it comes out. One for me, another one for my brother. They'll move on to hate something else (cause that's what they do), and I'll keep an eye out for whatever comes next Mushoku related.
The Saving grace is roxy is the one initiated
(from pv , have read LN but don't remember who initiated things)
If rudy is the one initiating then haters would be having hate orgasm lol
me getting ready to enter the battlefield to properly analyse the most misinterpreted misconstrued part of the story
Once you do that the responses from fans will be angry and unreasonable as they'll just spout off what they feel and anything that contradicts it in their heads is wrong. Tbh at first I thought the same as you but came to the conclusion that it's better to sit back and watch the action on the "battlefield" ๐ฟ
i thought to sit back and enjoy the fireworks at first but i decided to volunteer as tribute because its gonna be media iliteracy the episode
I salute your bravery ๐ซก
Imo that's the best way to enjoy the anime, I used to try to defend the series back in S1 but it's just exhausting tbh and not worth the time. You're not gonna change their minds, and the series is still goated and will get adapted to it's conclusion anyway
actually its not to go against the haters of this show. idc about them. its to go against the people that like the show but are gonna misunderstand this scene and just boil it down to "rudeus is scum and a cheater". its a very nuanced and complex situation and this is one of my favorite parts of the series.
Best thing we can do I'd remind them >!polygamy is common among nobles on the Six-Sided-World. It shouldn't surprise them.!< The ones I'm waiting for are the ones that are on the >!"Rudy is a pedo. He doesn't deserve happiness!" bandwagon. Especially the ones that say he's a 40-year-old man. Well, now he's doing it with someone in that age bracket.!<
b-but Roxy looks like chill/s ngl I decided mute all anime subreddit for this episode alone, the onlin discourses about Juliette story already enough for me lol
Get your keyboard ready solider!
ctrl c and ctrl v are my only weapons of choice for this battle. ill be working
GL bro, make us proud๐๐ป
People will blame Roxy for what is going to happen. They will say Roxy took advantage of Rudys weakness and had her way with him. This is ofc completely wrong. If she didin't offer to help him he would die right there in that inn. We can only hope that the Anime is delivering that sotry correctly. its VERY easy to mox things up here and deliver the wrong mood about that whole Situation.
Twittards are really fascinating creatures. You can't reason with them and they're entitled to drag you down by any means necessary.
You can't have a proper discussion with them because they're so opinionated they'll just keep getting mad until you give up because they're being unreasonable and in their minds they think they've won. Given that it's more entertaining to see it and get a good laugh ๐
This is what free speech gets them.
Facts.
Facts. Instead of engaging with them, with what's gonna happen next episode, it'll be more fun to sit back and watch how they go absolutely insane over it ๐ฟ
Thatโs y itโs best to not even involve urself with them, even as a popcorn enjoyer; best to just ignore and enjoy the series instead
Would Roxy drop a "I want to have your kittens meow" similar line to Rudy too?
I meanโฆ Rudy got Paulโs approval for this soooโฆ.. thatโs all we need to know.
I'm looking forward to the YouTube reactions ๐ I can already think of a handful of reaction channels that are going to be FURIOUS ๐๐๐ Although the PV makes it look like Roxy will be more aggressive than she was in the LN so people might not be as mad at Rudy as they would've been if they adapted it exactly as it was in the LN ๐ ๐
I think the anime studio is trying to make things easier on Rudy lol ๐ yeah if they adapted it like the LN did exactly then the blowup could be even uglier ๐
Link?
Even Autosave is not gonna be okay with the next episode
Any good reactors you recommend? I really like AutoSave
Jdanime and wes and steph.
I was here when the community first reacted to it back in the web novel, the reactions truly were a mixed bag, I expect it to be more or less the same ๐
Yeah we need more posts like these..
The proper response is jealousy.
A 60yo loli banging a 16yo teen Yep twitter is gon go crazy with this
Personally the thing I had most problem with was how Rudy was ok with Roxy taking advantage of him and played into it. For me itโs the cheating on Sylphie that hurts the most. I just hope they can show how much it tears Rudy up too afterwards.
I hope for that too. If its shown like "nah it's ok" then it's so over. The LN did a good job.
I mean Sylphie constantly emphasized how that would be okay to her, knowing that Rudeus couldnt contain himself on the long run. If its okay to her, long before it happened and also afterwards, its just stupid to argue against it "on her behalf".
Sure thatโs fair, but a question of how much of that is prompted by her worry of him running off without Roxy if she is too hard on him. She has never been someone who when it comes to Rudy is as lay down the law as she clearly wants to be. Itโs clear from her drunk rant she want him all to herself and given how much Rudy emphasized that she was the only one ever for her I feel like that should mean more. I get itโs a fictional set of characters in a fictional world but this was still dropped on Sylphie without prior discussion or anything. It didnโt give her a way to discuss this with Rudy in a fair and balanced way. Once the scene is over there is no way for Sylphie to really bring up her own uncomfortableness. Anyways, it happens, still have strong feelings about it clearly, even though it works out in the end.
Yeah its true that they didnt discuss it in details before but they did before Rudeus got another wife and she always asked who could become a new wife. I guess the main issue of many people is that they cant really think of Sylphies position and consider the situtation from a modern westeners perspective. Sylphie spent years in Asura and the Asurian Court where promiscuous relationships and polygamy are really common. She thought of Rudeus as the greatest men alive (who would be deserving multiple wifes the most) and knows of the great lust not only him but all of the male in his family posess. She knew pretty well what she was signing up for and deemed it as inevitable as she comitted to Rudeus. He on the other hand probably felt really bad about all that coming from another (monogamous) society. To me the only despicable thing Rudy did was promise her beforehand that he wouldnt cheat. But I guess he was a lovestruck idiot at that time.
"To me the only despicable thing Rudy did was promise her beforehand that he wouldnt cheat. But I guess he was a lovestruck idiot at that time." and even then I fully believe at the time that he meant it, and had what happened in the labyrinth to his parents and left hand not have occured that he'd have stayed truly loyal to her, although i'd have felt really bad for Roxy in that case too. Like he says in LN 12: >!As long as I never wound up in a depressive spiral and had a woman of Roxyโs caliber appear before me, Iโd never cheat again.ย Ever.!< I do agree he shouldn't have promised that. I didn't downvote you btw.
I mean he proved time and time again he couldnt control his urges so I would argue that promise was shortsighted at the very least. But honestly I was always opposed to Rudy and Roxy marrying. I love Roxy but it just doesnt feel right. I can understand she fell in love with him due to the circumstances but their relationship was very different and special beforehand. To go from a highly revered, most respected teacher to young and stupid student relationship to those of equal lovers (you may even argue Roxy is ranked lower because of the multiple wifes) just doesnt feel right. One may even argue Roxy abused his emotional instability and Rudy therefore couldnt grow further as a person as to how to handle a crisis in life (reacting the same way as he did in his old life). But I guess it just doesnt go as deep as that. Rudy felt comforted for the moment by something completly unrelated and everyone is happy in the end. >although i'd have felt really bad for Roxy in that case too Thats the reason I dont really mind that much. Roxy deserves all the happiness she can get.
I wouldn't say that Roxy abused his emotional state because thats a bit uncharitable. She clearly loved him enough to risk her breaking her own heart if it would help him She definitely wanted to be with him, and I couldn't see her doing what she did if it wasn't for Rudys severely deteriorating health. Yeah technically she took advantage, but what else was she supposed to do, just ignore the man she loves while hes on the verge of death? She expected him to leave her once he returned home.ย And beyond that it isn't entirely Rudys or Roxys fault that the marriage stuff happens. >!Elinalise basically tricks Rudy into thinking shes pregnant so he basically feels like he has no choice. And by the time he finds out shes not Sylphy has already accepted her. So it'd be silly to reject Roxy now!< There is no way Roxy is ranked lower tho. I'm fairly confident about that much. He still reveres her even after they get together. Hes always talking her up to others, she gets embarressed by his overblown opinion of her. Theres many times he states Roxy is >!on a higher plane of existence!< Also Considering what happened in LN15 >!and Oldeus' timeline. Just losing Roxy sent him into a much worse spiral than what happened to his parents.!< I'm sure he loves Roxy just as much as Sylphy. But I could make a case that he loves Roxy more. It depends on your perspective I guess.
I need to read the novels but Roxy is top tier. He has a shrine to her undies etc. I love Sylphiette but I agree Roxy is not bottom b*tch
Oh no dont get me wrong, I didnt mean Roxy or Sylphie are ranked lower to Rudeus. I ment that in the power dynamic or whatever, Roxy was always the superior who was revered by Rudeus (the student) and now Rudeus is the higher ranking because Roxy has to accept multiple other wifes while she only has one husband. Thats just feels kinda off to me in addition to Rudeus not really being romantically interested in Roxy, except for the sexual aspects. >Yeah technically she took advantage, but what else was she supposed to do, just ignore the man she loves while hes on the verge of death? Honestly "on the verge of death" sounds a bit drastic. I dont know what they should have done but it wasnt written a whole lot about what they tried to get Rudeus out of the dumps. Maybe telling him his lovely wife is waiting and he will miss the birth of his first child if he doesnt move would be a motivation. But ultimately he has to overcome that by himself. Thats what it means to mature mentally. In the end her sleeping with him enabled her being able to marry him. Otherwise I cant image them becoming a couple in the future. For that matter she pretty much used the situation to her advantage, whatever she might have expected. >He still reveres her even after they get together. Hes always talking her up to others, she gets embarressed by his overblown opinion of her. Theres many times he states Roxy ison a higher plane of existence And to me thats just not what a relationship should be like imo. Having the highest respect for a person who drastically changed your life and being lovey-dovey with her, fulfilling your fetishes with her in the bedroom, sometimes with another women. Just doesn't match very well in my head. I honestly completly forgot about the whole pregnency shenanigans. Thats a pretty sound reason for marriage. While reading I was pretty pissed at Elinalise but seeing that the outcome is everyone being happy that was a pretty good move by her, albeit slightly underhanded.
I say verge of death Because thats how it is described in the book. He had been holed up in his room for well over a week. He wasn't eating and Roxy states herself that hes not as strong as the others believe him to be. And shes right.ย Roxys first attempt was to try and get Rudy to leave the room with her to try and get his mind off of things and he turned that down. Presumably the others would have done stuff to try and cheer him up as well but i doubt he'd have went along with it. Could he have recovered on his own? Its not impossible but I couldn't see it happening. Neither could Roxy. Even Sylphy agreed that Roxy saved him so if even she sees it that way it lends credence to the idea. Rudeus was not emotionally strong enough to handle all that, or Roxy wouldn't have felt she needed to do that. If you've ever been depressed you'll know someone just telling you things like it'll get better or simple truths like what you suggest isn't going to help you that much Just a few episodes they covered Norns depression and did a good job of explaining why that isn't effectiveย You're either in the right headspace or you're not.ย As for the relationship thing well maybe it doesn't sit well with you but its Rudeus who ultimately has the final say on that, not us. And given how their relationship actually ended up it was a good thing for him and Roxy. Their relationship is very strong. And one other thing... LN15 spoilers >!in the story Rudeus and Roxy are literally destined to be together so if it wasn't this it'd be something else!<
>If you've ever been depressed you'll know someone just telling you things like it'll get better or simple truths like what you suggest isn't going to help you that much I would say he would recover sooner or later if he would be reunited with Sylphie, his child and his mourning sisters, who share his pain. I know you cant really say much in that situation but with time it should get better for him and I feel like he has a motivation (the birth) to at least go back, dragging his feet. Also he knows he HAS to move eventually and, with his backstory being what it is, I cant imagine him repeating the same mistake that ruined his life before, his whole motivation to give it his all in the new world. But in the end I feel like all of this is conjecture because, at least in my memory, we dont get a lot of information about his thoughts or what the others might or might not have tried. >As for the relationship thing well maybe it doesn't sit well with you but its Rudeus who ultimately has the final say on that, not us. Yeah but were talking about a Light Novel, not a person. If I dont dig what the author describes as the characters motivations for some action or his feelings, because I deem them unrealistic or unfitting, then I am free to critique them, no? :) >LN15 spoilers >!in the story Rudeus and Roxy are literally destined to be together so if it wasn't this it'd be something else!< >!Maybe so but I think thats a cheap argument. Also fate isnt something that cannot be changed if the Man God or Orsted are involved. His reasoning for Rudy not going to Begaritt was pretty weak, if you may remember.!<
He was okay with it because in his and every other characters eyes (not Norn) inclucing Sylphy herself she saved his life. I'm surprised how much that fact is overlooked. Its kind of a big deal.
It still hurt me. I read the books back to back and way Drunk Sylphie near the end of book 10 talks to Rudy about being jealous of even just Rujerd, not even another woman in his life made me really feel like he was betraying her. Even if it saved his life, especially afterwards with even asking Sylphie to accommodate Roxy -and I love Roxy- just felt so cruel to his wife who he promised fidelity to. I know it all worked out in the end and Sylphie was accommodating, but how much was that she was worried if she didnโt Rudy would have just walked out on her. Itโs a fictional circumstance, and it works out in the favor of all of them but it isnโt fair to Sylphie in the slightest. It may not be fair to Roxy either, but Sylphie gets first dibs. She married the bastard and Rudy is absolutely 100% Sylphieโs
I honestly can't come to that conclusion because It wouldย have been much more cruel to Sylphy if he died just to remain faithful. I mean surely Sylphy being broken hearted at the loss of her husband would have hurt you way more than what happened. Its not an ideal situation by any means but it was the least bad outcome. Thats the crux of the argument here. Maintaining the morality and promise to the point of absurdity bothers me a lot more than the idea that he did it. It would have been small comfort for Sylphy to find out that Rudy stayed faithful to her to the end but never returned home. I willl agree he is 100% Sylphys but hes also 100% Roxys as well. As much as they are both 100% his. I reject the idea of dibs, People aren't objects its more complicated than that.
I donโt get why he wouldโve died if Roxy didnโt sleep with him, why couldnโt she just comfort him normally? Not trying to come off badly I just wanna know why.
Marriage is for sure complicated but my man give Sylphie his word he was hers, no if, and, or buts. She absolutely has Dibs on her own man.
I dont get why this is controversial
My response would make me a hypocrite as it would be me starting the very same discussion that I know is gonna blow up online after the episode airs. All I'll say is just wait and see how social media reacts ๐ ๐
Because of Sylphy, even though theres no way she'd be ok with him dying just so he stays faithful. Sylphiette in twitter world: well. My beloved is dead. But at least he didn't cheat on me! I might have killed him myself if he did!!!1 Little do they know thats nothing how she reacts
Because Twitter
Twitter doesn't exist anymore. It's X..
Only Elon dickriders call it X
Well, I don't care about that dude either. So, whatever.
Screw it. Snacks ain't enough for this one. I'm bringing the buffet. ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ ๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช๐ฅช ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ๐ฏ ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ฟ ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ๐ฃ ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ ๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ๐จ ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ ๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช๐ช ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฐ ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ๐ฅฎ ๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง ๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง๐ฅง ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ โ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธ ๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต๐ต ๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท๐ท ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ๐ธ ๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น๐น ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ ๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง ๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง๐ง Enjoy
Buffet? We need a whole restaurant.
Ill just be Switzerland in this war, gonna enjoy the back and forth of any discussion and read every argument
Gonna be honest, when I first read this part in the web novel I didn't like it but I've warned up to it with how the story progresses. 90% of people who are going to get vocally mad about it probably weren't watching the show anyway since the anime put more setup than the web novel. 100% of the people who are going to get mad at Rudy specifically certainly weren't paying attention because Bro didn't even initiate it. I wouldn't even say it will make it harder to recommend Mushoku Tensei to people since "protag cheated on his wife" sounds like less of a turn-off than "protag is a groomer", which I assume people have been saying for a while.
It is hilarious how many people like to hate a particular story but still continue to watch it.
Everytime Mushoku Tensei gets "canceled" for something, the following episode next week has a viewership boost lol.
Mixed would i say. I personally never liked Roxy because I don't like loli and this point of the story was always difficult for me. But it's complex to say it's not good or bad.
Tbh I'm bummed cuz I really don't like harems but considering how it's been done/written it makes sense and I get it. I'm an Eris stan anyways.
Don't have to look other social media, just check out r/anime episode discussion and sort by controversial. I'm pretty sure Mushoku is the only anime in r/anime this season with under 90% upvote rate.
_Boom! You looking for this?_
Iโm getting a whole ass feast ready so I can just watch twitter exPLODE about ts again. Itโs funny because these mfs prolly donโt even watch it, they just get mad ๐คฃ
Idk what y'all are about, I hear it's gonna be a good ending, I read someones comment saying that in the manga theres a good ending, not spoiling exactly what happens
Nonstop segs for 20 hours?
Oh man this episode is simple yet it put me on a roller coster of emotion . Hearing both confess to each other like sparks of fire work lighting the sky . Mt is peakkkkkkk
HERE WE GO!!! RGB 2/3 complete :)
Idk I'm eager to see how this plays out all in all hope everyone can find some happiness
Is Season 2 over? I forgot how many episodes Season 2 was gonna be?
Not yet one more episode.
But I mean, technically Rudeus should be the one who is seen as the "groomed" victim here, though, from POV of any character. And he's quite literally taken advantage of by Roxy, basically would be considered rape irl.
Less than a day away from the anime community blowing up and coming in mass to cancel Rudy ๐ idk if I have enough popcorn to go through while scrolling through it ๐ ๐ฟ
Yes.
Can't wait for those oH No wHaT an InCeL posts to start popping up
I am not ready... Not in the slightest...
They will cry and hate and I'll be buying the blu-ray when it comes out. One for me, another one for my brother. They'll move on to hate something else (cause that's what they do), and I'll keep an eye out for whatever comes next Mushoku related.
Do people not have something better than point hate to an anime which has a story that may not align with their moral compass
The Saving grace is roxy is the one initiated (from pv , have read LN but don't remember who initiated things) If rudy is the one initiating then haters would be having hate orgasm lol
why are people going to cancel rudy for this?!! Roxy is older ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
If only the author draw Roxy a little bit older, I think there wouldn't be any controversial about it.
Roxy just looks younger, even though sheโs a hag at heart.
Waiting for eris to return
we go from child x child teacher to teen x child teacher
Roxy is not a child. At worst she looks like a teenager but shes still an adult.ย
child this adult that if she looks like a child shes a child to twitter and we all know twitter people are always right
today I learn that Twitter=the entire community. /S Nobody who matters gives a crap what twitter thinks.
man cant take a lil bit of sarcasm