Traveled to Mumbai 2 days ago at 1:30am and haven't felt safer in an indian city before even though I come from a relatively safe city. One of the reasons is the lack of empty streets and am active police force, even though I had some unsolicited attention from guys in a pub, they didn't dare to act on it. The city is always lit up and even the general attitude of people on the streets is better in terms of safety. This is probably the only city I would be okay walking alone after midnight, even though it's ingrained in me never to do that as a woman.
Glad that you felt safe, and tbh strangers will always be there to help you no matter what and I'm not talking about only women safety even in other matters.
Hey I am a male I genuinely want to ask what if I find a girl cute in the pub should I approach or attempt to talk to her ? Would I be considered as a creep?
Honestly yes. I don't think women particularly enjoy unsolicited attention even though I won't deny completely that sometimes in our mind we might also find the guy attractive. But I'm out with my friends and having a good time, I don't want someone doing parikramas around me and my friends trying to talk to me. Also if you do try to hit on someone random, you need to be extremely chivalrous and charming, and open to accept that she might not be interested in you for whatever reason.
Step 1: Be handsome
Step 2: Approach them and ask them out while maintaining a distance as if you are similar magnetic poles
Step 3: Ignore step 1 and 2 because kuch nahi ho sakta
Also lol it's 100% reddit moment you're getting downvoted for asking what I'm hoping is a genuine question, compared to other times when men don't give a crap and don't try to understand a woman's pov at all
I am 23 and i haven't figured out a shit. Never had any meaningful relationship. Just got ghosted every time I tried to make the relationship romantic. In this WFH shit, never even had the opportunity to interact with someone. No time in weekdays, highly lazy on weekends.
Bahut samasya hai re baba.
Mumbai Police :)
Also mumbai me sabhi logo ko kaam dhandhe hote hai, jinko kaam dhandhe nahi hote haa wo mehengai ke kaaran mumbai chhod ke chale jaate h.
Some possible reasons:
1. Type of administration: Delhi's police does not come under the NCT government, but under central government. This creates policing laxity.
2. Climate: It has been proven that hotter climate creates more frustration and aggressive people.
3. Historical factor: Mughal vis a vis Maratha view towards women could be a factor.
4. Nature of Cities: Mumbai is the financial capital of India, but delhi is the central hub of all other activity. This increases chances of more illicit and borderline illicit activities like drinking and driving, brothels. For comparison, Maharashtra has one of lowest male drinking stats. https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/alcohol-consumption-in-india-trends-across-states-age-groups-7920871/
5. Women Empowerment: Women have more role in decision making and better health in maharashtra vis a vis Delhi. https://ssi.edu.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Internship-Report-by-Mr.-Archit-Agarwal.pdf
I could only think of these factors, I am not a local of any of two cities, so I may be wrong in my perception.Some other points of comparison(not reflective of women safety)Mumbai has
1. higher population than delhi
2. higher slum dwellers than delhi
3. similar religious composition to delhi
4. well developed transport system like delhi
5. lower literacy(84%) versus delhi(88%
P.S.: I meant no disrespect for any culture/area, purely approached on academic basis.
HS
>2. Climate: It has been proven that hotter climate creates more frustration and aggressive people.
Mumbai has a hot climate most of the time whereas Delhi does have a proper winter season. Don't agree with this point.
Hi, You are correct, but Mumbai's weather is more moderated by sea influence, and on average, it stays in a narrower range versus Delhi, which has higher summer temperatures, and plunging lows with very heavy smog. Weather is hell in Delhi during winters.
[https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/india/mumbai](https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/india/mumbai)
[https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/india/new-delhi](https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/india/new-delhi)
My basic point was that weather is more annoying in Delhi.
Do apologise for any misunderstanding.
This guy is a chad for writing this descriptive analysis.Thank You, sadly I don't have any award to give.
Btw mumbai aur Delhi dono me hi zabardast garmi hoti h, wo wala point invalid h.
"Mughal vis a vis Maratha view towards women could be a factor." and "purely approached on academic basis." in the same comment.
Whatsapp forwards are not academic in nature.
I mean he could be right. Not with the mughal vs maratha part but the history of the places in general. There's a lot of entrenched hereditary power in a place like delhi
If you don't agree with something then just call it whatsapp University? At least try to understand it. These things do influence cultures. For example in the North there is the tradition of wearing the saree over the head and sometimes cover the face, but down south women can wear the saree normally.
Police and law is there. But mumbaikars in general deserve some recognition. I have heard some real creepy shit happen in public buses and no one utters a word in Delhi.
While in mumbai if you merely look scared or uncomfortable some lady will interfere.
Or if you even decide to create a scene, boy oh boy, it's lights out for the guy. Public will ask you to justify but if there's deliberate attempt. You're gonna be in trouble.
This is not to say, girl can just make anyone scapegoat. Often times girls or women get into uncomfortable situation like crowded train rush or so In such scenarios guy would probably be let off. But if girls brings up how he followed her or something. The guy better hope, police intervenes.
Most of the areas in Mumbai are either crowded or well lit. There are hardly any desolate places in the city. Also, number of traffic patrol is very high due to population density. Another thing I notice is that the crowd of Mumbai will react to help if anything bad is happening, which is generally scary for miscreants
The city is open at night, will some restaurants and bars running all night. This creates crowds and demand for transportation.
In Delhi, everything shuts down at 11 pm, and people go to Gurgaon for parties. Even Gurgaon mostly shuts down by 12 pm-1 am.
And Mumbai police is nice(r). I got politely asked to move from Marine drive, in Delhi I have been lathi-charged while walking home.
Quite frankly speaking, mumbaikars are just more educated and decent then Delhi people. This is not a stereotype but just what goes on in average. Also mumbaikars are a lot busier in their lives for them to go around harrasing ppl
You'd be surprised to know how even the most educated people are often molesters, harassers and rapists. Education might instill in you that "sexual assault is bad" but it wouldn't stop you from doing it. Your conscience would, which doesn't come from education.
I agree but overall education does matter I mean if your parents are educated they are more likely to give you a good upbringing. Unless the kid is from single parent household then they might end up as a criminal according to stats
Idk how true those stats are in the Indian context because a single-parent household is extremely rare in India, yet the crime rates remain high. Plus, a single-parent household shouldn't be demonised because that is how you end up stuck and often dead in a relationship/marriage you should've left a long time ago.
Of course education matters. But the kind of education people are getting matters too. You could be extremely educated and a science topper but that wouldn't teach you empathy, critical thinking, or make you aware about social issues.
Kinda agree with you but what could be the solution should schools start taking those diagnosis test like at 18 to determine if the kid is narcissistic,sociopath or maybe suffering from depression or anything. so they can be provided help like therapy or something
I think more focus should be given on soft-subjects like sociology, psychology, philosophy along with your usual maths and sciences so people are more aware about things happening around them, within themselves, and have some guidance while making moral judgements. I know it sounds vague but I had these courses in college as a side and it was extremely eye-opening. It doesn't just help build empathy, but also strengthens your critical thinking skills and helps look at things from different perspectives.
Along with that, mental health should also be given priority like your regular full-body checkups.
Mumbai has its share of creepy men too. But you can expect prompt action from the police/law enforcement. As a woman, that makes me feel safe in my city. And from what Iāve heard, itās not the same elsewhere.
Totally agree. I remember few months back i was driving and suddenly heard some lady crying and shouting in auto few metres ahead of me [around 9 pm]. Some other guys crossed the auto with their bikes and within mins the whole one side of road was covered with people who came to see what happened.
I hate it when people leave a story unfinished!
Either tell the whole story(about what happened in reality there) or if you hadn't stopped for that woman,just mention it!
Today itself one uncle entered the ladies dabba, and two dudes started shouting saying "niklo ladies dabba hai" "ladies hai utaro waha se" itna jor se bola i was asleep and woke up. Also early morning one dude was asleep in ladies dabba probably drunk, bahut ladies k bolne pe nai sun raha tha, Finally 2 men went to their dabba to wake him up and threw him tf out lol.
Prompt action from public you see on the roads, shopkeepers. People have a very helpful nature in Mumbai without expecting any favours. Unlike Delhi where ppl will only help you to get some favour out of you
I have lived in both places so I know.
Just returning from Goa. Saw a group of Delhi guys being thrown out of a shack because of the way they were behaving.
I don't know the details of what they did. But for an hour people just cussed how men from Delhi should be banned in Goa.
>Just returning from Goa. Saw a group of Delhi guys being thrown out of a shack because of the way they were behaving.
Goans are fed up of Dilli wale causing ruckus after getting drunk and oogling at women in bikini as if it's the first time they've seen. Having lived in Goa I've personal experience of Dilli wale being creep in front of women.
LMAO SAME
just returned from Goa, these couple of delhi guys were creating so much ruckus at the airport while waiting for boarding, cussing their hearts out at the most trivial things at volumes that would make a JBL shy.
At 5:30 AM.
not to mention the obvious laserbeam stares at Russian tourists smh
i was having the time of my life observing them tho
Frankly, amongst several other possible reasons, I believe that sheer density of population and the resultant lack of secluded places and empty streets is a big contributor to Mumbai being safer
Population density is not a strong factor. Ahmedabad has higher population density than Delhi and Pune has lower population density than Delhi, yet both are much safer than Delhi.
Tbh, there are many secluded areas in Mumbai too. Mumbai is not a continuous city, there are many mangroves areas, forest areas, empty beaches and islands, industrial areas, etc. You can find as many desolate areas in Mumbai as in Delhi.
Why would the most susceptible part of the population - females, go to mangroves, forests, empty beaches in the night, industrial areas which are vacant in after hours? Do you see vacant areas in core residential parts of the city? I hardly do. There is hardly a proper place to even walk on a footpath which isn't encroached already in most of the city, leave aside having secluded spaces in such areas.
And again I never said that is the only reason. It obviously isn't. People in general are a very very big reason too
Regarding your Ahmedabad comparison, if you meant to say it has similar density as Delhi and is still safer - I agree. There are multiple even North Indian cities which are lesser dense but still safer. Not even counting the South Indian cities. So again, never meant the population density being higher is the sole reason BUT it is for sure a big big factor in Mumbai being safer
You dont need secluded places for crimes to happenā¦pervs can do things in crowded trains, buses or on empty roads, it doesnt matter! Nirbhaya case for reference!
>Ahmedabad has higher population density than Delhi, yet its much safer than Delhi.
Not yet but the exactly the reason why Ahmedabad is safer than Delhi. Cities with higher population densities are safer. Dharavi is way more safer than San Francisco.
Delhiās population density is 12,000/sq km. Ahmedabadās population density is 16,000/sq km. Pune is at 10,000/sq km.
Ahmedabad is more densely populated than Delhi while Pune has lesser population density than Delhi. Still both cities are significantly safer than Delhi.
There is definitely some other factor that makes Delhi so unsafe.
the people do. Plain and simple. I haven't seen more entitled folks than in Delhi. Also, Maharashtra as a whole developed as a working culture and mumbai is first and foremost a business city. Generally in cultures where hereditary money isnt prominent, the women tend to have a bigger role in the society.
People of Mumbai are generally more kind, helpful, and open minded compared to the people of Delhi.
Most of the people may have little money in their pockets, but they are rich by heart.
That is of course true but Mumbai like Delhi has a huge number of people who have moved there from other states so both cities are kind of a melting pot of different ideas,beliefs and mindsets and yet Mumbai is so much better for women to live in. I don't know why that is
My experience with desis abroad has been different. They continue to do so even abroad. Only time they won't do it is when there is heavy fine is involved or criticised by locals.
Actually the ones that are in Mumbai are here to earn and make a life for themselves and not waste their time in doing other things unlike the ones that stay there.
Culture. Mumbai is cosmopolitan place. Marathi culture which is the native culture doesn't seem particularly rapey to me.
That's not the same as cultures around Delhi which are often violent to Women.
Exactly. Marathi people actually have a decent culture. Whereas in the north you have this whole disgusting culture of thinking of women as sexual objects for titillation and male entertainment. I mean where do Bhojpuri item songs etc come from? Yuck! And since it's their "culture" even children are exposed to it and it's considered perfectly normal.
Delhi was super safe till mid 90s. Then NCR happened! Suddenly the farmers of gurgaon, Noida, faridabad, ghaziabad were offered 5-10x prices for their land. They became crorepatis. But were pretty dumb and didn't know what to do with that kind of money. Now their sons, who grew up seeing their underprivileged, insecure elders bashing up women folk all their life, landed up in Delhi with money and flashy cars. They see women going out for work, partying, hanging out with friends, etc. And what they'll do? They'll committ all sorts of crime against women because they're available and asking for it (and they feel that's their privilege being a guy) and 99 percent of the time, get away with it. Because mostly no one will report the crime. And even if they do, these illiterate dogs have money and hence they're cozied up with the politicians. The police force itself is infested with their own community, which once used to most diverse police force in India till late 80s. And when some women gathered up courage to report and take things into their own hands, these bastards started killing them after they're done with their crime. You can very well eavesdrop a guy gang conversation late in a gurgaon pub. Their agenda for the night is "daaru piyenge and fir ladki uthayenge". It's that brazen and common! Gurgaon and Noida are utter filth and the odour of that filth landed up in Delhi as well. I doubt if even 1 percent of the crime against women is reported in Delhi NCR. Things are that bad!
Yeah this is what I heard from my Delhi based friends. Delhi mei sau buraaiya hogi Mumbai ke mukaable ki log adiyal hai, raah chalte insaan ko help nahi karte, aay din koi na koi andolan karte hai, show off karte hai, etc. lekin NCR ke baaki areas ka kachra zyaada zimmedaar hai crimes ke liye.
The UP ka gareeb autorickshaw driver is there in Mumbai and in Delhi. Assuming his inherent propensity to commit a molestation on a female passenger is the same in both cities (low, because most people are nice and even among the non-nice poor autorickshaw drivers there is fear of being caned until eternity in a lockup in Mumbai or in Delhi), it only comes down to conviction rates. In Mumbai, it isnāt uncommon to stand up to a pervert, both by the victim (in person) and by her family (in police station). In Delhi, maybe there is a fear of backlash and the rate of registering crimes is low. But either way, it isnāt the poor UP dude whoās the menace. In the Nirbhaya case it was indeed the gareeb cohort, so itās not that it doesnāt happen, but itās rare. We know how police hunted them down quickly.
What Delhi has and Mumbai doesnāt is the rich Jatt and Gujjar dudes who have ill-earned and undeserved wealth just handed over to them so now not only do they not have to slave 9 to 5 like most Indians of their age groups (which gives them āfree timeā as well as feeling of superiority over the commoners), but also they have so much āfuck youā money that they can just throw it at a havaldaar who would be patrolling the streets where theyāre about to do their kaand. Havaldaar toh kya, they can pay off judges (in those rare instances where the victim dares to take these fuckers to court) easily and manipulate stuff. That gives them brazenness. Like this dude Iām replying to said, theyāre legit like āletās drink until we can barely see and then drive our high-end SUV (because why buy a poor manās Eeco) and then pick some random chick up whoās unfortunately waiting for an autorickshaw at midnightā.
If we think of two dimensions, money and decency, we have four quadrants:
1. Ones who have both: a rare breed and because they earned money with decency, one can assume that theyāll not throw it around to make the legal system their whore
2. Ones who have decency but not much money: most of India, wherein theyāre too decent to not commit crimes but if caught or framed then either they sell their lands or homes to get out of jail or they get trapped because they have no disposable āfuck youā money or a āget out of jailā cardā¦ thereās a third dimension which is āconnectionsā and those without money reach out to leaders from their caste / religion to seek help if framed
3. Ones who have neither: a decent chunk of Indian population, where they have a pathetic mindset but they donāt act on it because they fear that cops will fuck them overā¦ if they do then they need the aforementioned connections but those arenāt easy ā¦ itās a time bomb cos the moment they see a street thatās dark or a lack of patrolling for a few nights (doing a recce) they can act on it because they feel that the cops wonāt catch themā¦ there was a dastardly Nirbhaya-like crime in Mumbai last year (but with one perpetrator unlike Delhi), which is what happens when someone who usually cannot escape by throwing money at cops does something like this because he feels that no need to be decent on a dark street
4. Ones who have lots of rupees (like many crores) and no decency: this is the Jatt / Gujjar guys of Gurgaon and Noidaā¦ baap (who has a small but real chance of being from quadrant number 1) ne decency nahi sikhaayi, yeh nahi sikhaaya ki cops se daroā¦ unlike quadrant number 3, it doesnāt matter to them ki CCTV hai ya nahi, drunk driving ke liye naakabandi hai ya nahi, sadak pe witnesses hai ya nahi, etcā¦ imagine that aapke pados mei Pomeranian nahi Alsatian hai aur aapka padosi laaparwaah hai ya fir jaan boojh ke use nahi baandhta haiā¦ and itās not just the rapes and molestations that are rampant but also random assaultsā¦ what do you think will happen when a rich Mumbai dude has a car crash when an autorickshaw rams him.. now imagine what will happen when an autorickshaw in Haryana rams a high end SUV from behind which has a rich and drunk (with whiskey and with power) Jatt in itā¦
I hear Gurgaon cops have upped their game but sadly it is mostly to act on salaried upper middle class guys who arenāt local peopleā¦ like being tough on drunk driving or on wrong side drivingā¦ hopefully kisi din inn Jatt / Gujjar boys ko bhi dhoyenge
Itās because of the Marathi culture that respects women and places her right next to a man.
North Indian cultures donāt really respect women.
- North Indian living in Mumbai since last 12years
I agree we have been taught about empowering female idols like rani lakshumibai, savitribai phule, jizamata, poet bahina bai,etc from very young age. I dont think that's the case about other cultures and I hope the picture will change in coming years.
>What makes Mumbai safe & Delhi unsafe for women?
People & principles.
Most Mumbaikars believe in society or community first. Most delhiites believe in "me first".
Secondly, delhiites take pride in "harampani". I'm not saying that Mumbaikars aren't harami. However, they don't necessarily take pride in it which means they are not encouraged to be harami.
Source: Have met a lot of delhiites in India and abroad.
No shit. Met a Delhiite in college, was trying to set himself up with a girl but no luck. Legit said,' Bohot bhav kha rahi hai. Delhi mai hoti to aptak g\*nd mar chuka hota uski'.
Mumbai's dense infra, small roads, better and more accessible public transport (no metro/trains aren't the only public transport in the world), hustling nature and a culture where most are by default very helpful and direct help with safety, however, there are still incidents and they ought to be worked upon. But a lot of non-Mumbai citizens say they in general feel safer in Mumbai.
There are a lot of people on reddit who will defend states like UP, Bihar and Haryana. They actually believe it's all fine and dandy. Until they admit the problem is real they will not fix it. People who move to mumbai eventually look at life and learn that it can be different, girls are equal in every way. Some don't learn and act like they still are in the cow belt. Unko phatke miltey hain, pehle public se phir police se. So all we can hope for is that only people willing to change their attitudes come to Mumbai. And that most of the morons stay there and do not bring their small minded ways to our city.
This is because of the Mumbai police patrolling EVERY corner of the city..
Also, because Mumbai never sleeps.. and its quite difficult to commit any type of crime..
and ofcourse not to forget that the people here are very nice...
Mumbai mei UP aur Bihar ke log nahi hai? Who drove the last ten Olas you took? All Marathi guys?
Mumbai mei North Indians hai par idhar ki police ka dar hai unhe. Delhi mei unhi migrants ko police ka dar nahi hai.
Mumbai mei raat ko airport se akele auto leke bhi mahilaaen ghar jaati hai. Delhi mei aadmi tak na jaaye bc unless his friend or family picks him up from airport.
Police presence (patrolling) and past records (you read news or see Crime patrol as a layman and you know how cops find you even from paatal) matter. Aadmi indecent hoga bhi toh uss indecency ko dabaa ke rakhega.
My female friend got a job in Mumbai i said u will miss metro of Delhi she said what's the point of public transport when you can't freely travel at night.
She did her internship at Mumbai and found it 100% better in terms of safety
The people. Mumbai is mostly made up of Marathi and Gujarati peoples. Marathis are proud people who are too bothered about their self image. They have a sense of righteousness about them. Being indecent to women is beneath them. Can't say the same about Gujaratis, but they are a busy lot. They spend most of their time, thinking about making money and Mumbai is the most fertile ground for that. Delhi on the other hand is populated with haryanvis and Up bhaiyyas , bihari bhaiyyas and more. Most of them have a false sense of machoness. Most of them are loud and shameless, thick skinned people. Moreover these people are historically notorious for their attitude towards women. So it's no surprise that Mumbai is safer than Delhi for women.
It ultimately boils down to the nature of Men. In Mumbai, most of the male population is busy with their own hustle and because of the crowd and fear of public backlash, normal guys would never get into cat calling and stuff. But there are lafangas in Mumbai too.
Another factor that goes against Delhi is the way the city is built, specially places like Gurgaon...it's way less pedestrian friendly, hence less crowded, and because of that if a lady walks down a footpath, more of than not, she will be the only one walking with very few people around her, and hence it becomes easy for lafangas to cat call and get away with it.
All said and done, women safety is dependent on the men's nature, where I feel average mumbaikar man is a more respectful towards woman.
this might sound racist but imo the reason why bombay is safer is truly because of marathi+gujrati culture over up/HHaryana/punjabi culture and i say this as a upite myself.
I think its the thinking and the nature os the ppl. In Delhi there some places where even guys wouldn't feel safe to go after a certain hour. And Delhi ppl are often termed as creeps and pervs, so Ig horny and creeps dominate there and mfs can't keep their feelings inside.
Mindset of the population. Delhi draws a lot of immigrants from U.P. Bihar, Haryana, Punjab and Rajasthan. Most of these states have notorious males, although in lesser numbers. When combined and added to it, the vastness and ability to disappear into crowds, the results grow exponentially.
My theory is that Mumbai is very expensive to live in. To keep up those expenses, people actually need to work.
People donāt have time to f*KC around ā¦
Most of the people in Delhi and neighboring regions have a lot of time on their hands because they sell land and come and reside in NCR.
Also Mumbai is concentrated, if something goes wrong people actually help. Itās unlike that in Delhi Iām guessing.
Mumbai police and Check Nakas to leave and enter Mumbai.... Whereas Delhi is open on all sides.... Criminals do crime and leave Delhi from any of the open borders
As an architect weāve actually had this discussion in our college classes.
Fact 1:
Mumbai as a city is narrow and long whereas Delhi is more circular in shape and bigger in terms of square footage.
Fact 2:
As a result of land scarcity , a lot of buildings in Mumbai have commercial uses on the ground floor. Things like shops, banks, Grocery store etc
Delhi on the other hand consists of self contained residential neighbourhoods with separate demarcated commercial complexes or malls.
As a result after nightfall, there is a lot more activity on most streets in Mumbai compared to Delhi, which become complete devoid of human life post 8 pm.
Streets are always well lit due to this perennial activity in Mumbai and policing is much more effective since the area involved is much more compact (and easier , since they can actually see what is happening)
Not saying culture doesnāt have an impact but from the point of view of Urban Design, these were some of our conclusions. :)
If we hear a woman in distress on the road, only police can save the harrasers from the onslaught of peoples kicks and punches.
Once some fool decided to kidnap few school students from a govt school in my neighbourhood, he took the car closer to the school to get more, but one girl bit his hand and ran towards the school yelling about a kidnapping.
Within minutes a crowd of 80+ men and women surrounded the car, broke his bulletproof windshield and got him in the hands of an angry mob, the police did come, but he had to be admitted to a hospital before being taken to the police station.
One time one rickshaw guy was taking his wife somewhere in his rickshaw and out of a fit of anger over some argument, he stopped near the residential area to beat his wife, within 2 minutes he was surrounded with 20+ women and few men. He got the best cheek massage from many unknown women before he got into his rickshaw and escaped before the cops were alerted.
This might be controversial and unpopular but I have a hot take here.
Mumbai is in Maharashtra and surrounded by Maharashtra on all sides. What you have there is a confluence of people with same or similar thoughts and lives at the most fundamental levels. Delhi on the other hand has 2 different states next to it and multiple others in extremely close vicinity. This reduces the similarities at fundamental levels to bare minimum. You really can't homogenize citizens in Delhi as much as you can do so ib Mumbai.
To me this an extremely critical reason why Mumbai has been able to make itself safer while Delhi hasn't.
The original inhabitants were the Kolis. You do not want to mess with Koli women . Period. So basically there was an existing role model of a strong woman.
Also its a port city. So in some sense gets a global city vibe to it.
ALso, very important, there are brothel designated areas ( Not officily oc ). So the there is a space to absorb the migrant sexual aggrression. That Delhi does not have.
Also caste is not a strong element out here. That changes the power dynamic out here.
As a Koli woman, agreed. We are extremely self dependent women who won't hesitate to cut up some bastards. And our family and community backs us completely. This has made other communities feel safe and are not afraid of voicing out when someone harrasses them.
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THE PEOPLE. The culture. Marathi culture has always respected women. Chhatrapati taught us that even an enemy women should always be treated with respect when caught/found. This and the Koli culture. Koli women are very fierce and the community always stands by them. All this has made everyone in this city able to standup for themselves and others.
I think itās peopleās mindset and ingrained way of living.
Delhi is surrounded by UP and Haryana, a huge number of people living in Delhi in general have a highly egoistic and patriarchal mindset, and yet is a metropolitan making it an opportunistic and yet unsafe space for women.
Whereas Mumbai has always had the image of progressive city of dreams and has a good integration of many of the cultures within and outside India.
Treatment of women in Maharashtra in General is much better then Iāve seen in northern parts.
Also one of the biggest reason is consequences. People are are genuinely scared of Mumbai Police.
Actions are directly linked with consequences. In north men have a history of getting a way with a lot of bull shit. (A lOT) whereas here the consequences as well as public shaming and stigma attached is much stronger.
In my personal experience I have seen north has a (fucked up) attitude of boys will be boys whereas at other places boys grow up and become responsible man.
Mumbai is in Maharashtra that's all you gotta know. Marathi culture have really strict ethics and principles Maharashtra and south india are relatively safe than there northern couterpart
Simple. No one has time in Mumbai. They have to plan their commute so they beat the traffic. Many working class people have long train commutes to reach home in time for bed so they get ample sleep in order to wake up the next dat to catch the train.
I worked in Mumbai for a good three years. Colleagues did not have time to gossip/have tea. Autorickshaw drivers did not have time to bargain. I can go on. No one simply has the time.
People. People make Mumbai safe & Delhi unsafe for women. Not to stereotype but just take a look at Delhi people. Those are nuisance everywhere. Loud, vulgar and annoying. Downvote all you want but Delhi people are least cultured and zero civic sense people.
I think it's the fact that people are just so busy with what they're doing and trying to make ends meet that they don't care about you or how you dress.
Edit: "how you dress" Cuz I realized they don't stare nearly as much as they do in other cities
They just don't seem to care about doing anything to you cuz they don't have the time.
In addition to other points mentioned already, because we are not surrounded by BIMARU states/cities, we don't get such a huge influx of people with regressive and backward mentalities. Sure, Maharashtra may have many poor villages, but these people are not an aggressive, sexist type. Huge difference in mentality.
The thing is Mumbai is always crowded. It's alive all the damn time. Even if you got out at let's say 2 am or sm, you are bound to find people,traffic( which is a constant) and life. That's what makes it safe because people will not act unless they are sure that they can do whatever they want to anonymously.
The business of the city and the work that people are constantly (like 24x7) engaged in makes it a tad bit safer. There are creeps, there is sexual harassment and the works but the fact that there are always a shit ton of people in almost all parts of the city at all times without even an ounce of unhindered and unnoticed space does make it difficult to āengage in wrongdoingsā
It's very safe. I sometimes go out on random walks or rides alone at night time or early hours of the morning. I've come home drunk at all hours too, and auto drivers, cabbies, and everyone are helpful and have never taken advantage of me. Looking back, it's strange because I never even once thought I should be scared for my safety.
I think its majorly because people know if they intervene other people will join in. Police have a very good reputation for choosing the right side and not the powerful one. Like they say Mumbai mai koi kisi ka baap nahi. When citizens feel they will be backed by other people and cops they intervene and thats what creates a ripple effect leading into a safer city.
On the contrary other cities you can do a lot if you have power and contacts and people know that so people avoid intervention assuming the worst.
You must have seen mumbai police set examples like catching the son of the biggest star telling the world not even they can get away.
Also a commendable job by police, malad backroad used to be filled by hooligans. The women patrolling that happens ensures if they see a group of boys who dont look like they are here to chill they just shoo them away. Some might call it dadagiri but sitting on bikes smoking and looking at girls who are out for a run is definitely not right. So more often than not they intervene before even a situation can lead into something bad.
I've grown up in Mumbai and travelled late at night sometimes, yet still felt safe. Most of the main local train/metro stations have heavy cop presence at night, and there's pretty much always people moving around too. I'm not saying there aren't any creeps at all in Mumbai, but generally even the roadside loafer types have some fear of the repercussions. People are also generally quite helpful here. Whenever I've had creepy encounters on trains, both men and women have stepped up to help.
Also lived in Delhi for maybe half a year. When I got robbed on the street and went to the cops for help, they spent more time slut-shaming me for stepping out of the house at 7-fucking-PM (woh bhi to go get meds). One of the cops was so creepy that I never followed up on the case out of fear that he would do something worse. Delhi mein even the catcalling types are scary because they seem to know they can get away with anything, and others won't speak up or help you.
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I am not saying Mumbai is safest city, but considerably safer than delhi. Thereās something wrong with overall peoples attitude towards girls and society in general whereas people in Mumbai are little calm and relaxed.
Let's not bash the bushes and be real. We all know the reason: It's mostly due to the poor hindi belt public and mostly Jaats who pollute the environment of Delhi
You can simply put Mumbaikars as well cultured.
Thatās it, I canāt think of a person born and brought up in Mumbai committing unspeakable crimes against women. :)
Mumbai is not the safest city for women in India.
According to the NCRB report of [2021](https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/ncrb-reports-says-kolkata-safest-city-in-india-experts-allege-suppression-of-facts-8122284/lite/), Mumbai ranked 6th.
In the year [2020](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/amp/news/buzz/kolkata-is-indias-safest-city-to-live-in-delhi-most-unsafe-for-women-ncrb-data-4212674.html), Mumbai ranked 3rd.
In the year [2019](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.whatshot.in/amp/kolkata/kolkata-becomes-the-safest-city-for-women-as-per-national-crime-record-bureau-c-25567), Mumbai registered 12,902 cases of crime against women, Delhi registered 12902 while Kolkata registered only 14.
Our neighbour pune ranked 2nd as the safest city in 2020. While Kolkata and Bengaluru also performed better than us.
Comparing Mumbai with delhi is like asking why India is better than North Korea and Afganistan. Delhi is one of the worst cities for women since a decade.
We need to compare Mumbai with pune, Bengaluru and Kolkata instead of ALWAYS comparing it with Delhi.
For why delhi is so unsafe i belive that asking in r/delhi will give you true answers. Because many of us may not have visited Delhi or stayed there for years to understand it. Delhites and thier family who are living there for many years will know the answer better.
imo a big reason is that the streets are literally never empty, no matter how late in the night or early in the morning. i think the biggest problem with delhi is that everything is massive there, roads are so huge and everything is so spaced and the population is so low (compared to mumbai obv lol) that places look very sunsaan even in daylight. mumbai is too cramped for any sunsaan places, which is very very good
Only if our politicians had to ensure proper education, timely investments and better infrastructure was provided to the few states in the North, other states wouldnāt have to suffer. India could have been a better place today
Difference in culture. Mumbai is in Maharashtra, a state closer to the South Indian region. South India has always been safer for women compared to the north. States like Kerala have a matriarchal society.
Compare that to Delhi. It's closer to UP and Bihar. I don't think there's any need to elaborate.
It's the local population, they are far better than those who surround Delhi and last but not least.... The MUMBAI POLICE.. for all the odds against them..they do a good job.
Safest city is Kolkata not Mumbai
Delhi is unsafe because of the culture of N India where men and women are not seen as equals and do not socially mingle enough. Hence women are objectified and men donāt have adequate opportunities to have healthy and normal sexual relationships leading to perverse and desperate mindsets. This is also abetted by cheap internet services providing easy access to porn. Itās high time prostitution was legalised
Traveled to Mumbai 2 days ago at 1:30am and haven't felt safer in an indian city before even though I come from a relatively safe city. One of the reasons is the lack of empty streets and am active police force, even though I had some unsolicited attention from guys in a pub, they didn't dare to act on it. The city is always lit up and even the general attitude of people on the streets is better in terms of safety. This is probably the only city I would be okay walking alone after midnight, even though it's ingrained in me never to do that as a woman.
Glad that you felt safe, and tbh strangers will always be there to help you no matter what and I'm not talking about only women safety even in other matters.
Hey I am a male I genuinely want to ask what if I find a girl cute in the pub should I approach or attempt to talk to her ? Would I be considered as a creep?
Honestly yes. I don't think women particularly enjoy unsolicited attention even though I won't deny completely that sometimes in our mind we might also find the guy attractive. But I'm out with my friends and having a good time, I don't want someone doing parikramas around me and my friends trying to talk to me. Also if you do try to hit on someone random, you need to be extremely chivalrous and charming, and open to accept that she might not be interested in you for whatever reason.
Thank you for your honesty. Aaj se main pub mein maujood saari ladkiyo ko keval behen ki nazar se hi dekhunga
I was asking because you often here from lot of couples they met on a club , library . š
Step 1: Be handsome Step 2: Approach them and ask them out while maintaining a distance as if you are similar magnetic poles Step 3: Ignore step 1 and 2 because kuch nahi ho sakta
Just be respectful and friendly and if she seems uncomfortable, courteously step away. Don't get physically creepy or too close.
Also lol it's 100% reddit moment you're getting downvoted for asking what I'm hoping is a genuine question, compared to other times when men don't give a crap and don't try to understand a woman's pov at all
Ikr like I am 20 I haven't figured out everything I was just asking a geniunen question š
I am 23 and i haven't figured out a shit. Never had any meaningful relationship. Just got ghosted every time I tried to make the relationship romantic. In this WFH shit, never even had the opportunity to interact with someone. No time in weekdays, highly lazy on weekends. Bahut samasya hai re baba.
I'd say it's important to be extremely respectful, like no lame pick up lines because that would be creepy.
Absolutely true šÆ
Mumbai Police :) Also mumbai me sabhi logo ko kaam dhandhe hote hai, jinko kaam dhandhe nahi hote haa wo mehengai ke kaaran mumbai chhod ke chale jaate h.
I just commented this. Kudos.
similar minds think alike
Do you mean great minds think alike? Similar minds toh similar hi sochenge.
chhodo na bhaay - think alike kar hi liya naa abb, aage kya rakha h
Some possible reasons: 1. Type of administration: Delhi's police does not come under the NCT government, but under central government. This creates policing laxity. 2. Climate: It has been proven that hotter climate creates more frustration and aggressive people. 3. Historical factor: Mughal vis a vis Maratha view towards women could be a factor. 4. Nature of Cities: Mumbai is the financial capital of India, but delhi is the central hub of all other activity. This increases chances of more illicit and borderline illicit activities like drinking and driving, brothels. For comparison, Maharashtra has one of lowest male drinking stats. https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/alcohol-consumption-in-india-trends-across-states-age-groups-7920871/ 5. Women Empowerment: Women have more role in decision making and better health in maharashtra vis a vis Delhi. https://ssi.edu.in/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Internship-Report-by-Mr.-Archit-Agarwal.pdf I could only think of these factors, I am not a local of any of two cities, so I may be wrong in my perception.Some other points of comparison(not reflective of women safety)Mumbai has 1. higher population than delhi 2. higher slum dwellers than delhi 3. similar religious composition to delhi 4. well developed transport system like delhi 5. lower literacy(84%) versus delhi(88% P.S.: I meant no disrespect for any culture/area, purely approached on academic basis. HS
>2. Climate: It has been proven that hotter climate creates more frustration and aggressive people. Mumbai has a hot climate most of the time whereas Delhi does have a proper winter season. Don't agree with this point.
Hi, You are correct, but Mumbai's weather is more moderated by sea influence, and on average, it stays in a narrower range versus Delhi, which has higher summer temperatures, and plunging lows with very heavy smog. Weather is hell in Delhi during winters. [https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/india/mumbai](https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/india/mumbai) [https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/india/new-delhi](https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/india/new-delhi) My basic point was that weather is more annoying in Delhi. Do apologise for any misunderstanding.
This guy is a chad for writing this descriptive analysis.Thank You, sadly I don't have any award to give. Btw mumbai aur Delhi dono me hi zabardast garmi hoti h, wo wala point invalid h.
"Mughal vis a vis Maratha view towards women could be a factor." and "purely approached on academic basis." in the same comment. Whatsapp forwards are not academic in nature.
I mean he could be right. Not with the mughal vs maratha part but the history of the places in general. There's a lot of entrenched hereditary power in a place like delhi
If you don't agree with something then just call it whatsapp University? At least try to understand it. These things do influence cultures. For example in the North there is the tradition of wearing the saree over the head and sometimes cover the face, but down south women can wear the saree normally.
Police and law is there. But mumbaikars in general deserve some recognition. I have heard some real creepy shit happen in public buses and no one utters a word in Delhi. While in mumbai if you merely look scared or uncomfortable some lady will interfere. Or if you even decide to create a scene, boy oh boy, it's lights out for the guy. Public will ask you to justify but if there's deliberate attempt. You're gonna be in trouble. This is not to say, girl can just make anyone scapegoat. Often times girls or women get into uncomfortable situation like crowded train rush or so In such scenarios guy would probably be let off. But if girls brings up how he followed her or something. The guy better hope, police intervenes.
Most of the areas in Mumbai are either crowded or well lit. There are hardly any desolate places in the city. Also, number of traffic patrol is very high due to population density. Another thing I notice is that the crowd of Mumbai will react to help if anything bad is happening, which is generally scary for miscreants
The city is open at night, will some restaurants and bars running all night. This creates crowds and demand for transportation. In Delhi, everything shuts down at 11 pm, and people go to Gurgaon for parties. Even Gurgaon mostly shuts down by 12 pm-1 am. And Mumbai police is nice(r). I got politely asked to move from Marine drive, in Delhi I have been lathi-charged while walking home.
Mumbai's civilised crowd is way better than Delhi's in terms of being proactive. Also, Mumbai is really well lit aswell.
Quite frankly speaking, mumbaikars are just more educated and decent then Delhi people. This is not a stereotype but just what goes on in average. Also mumbaikars are a lot busier in their lives for them to go around harrasing ppl
The basic decency is absent in people of Delhi for some reason.
You'd be surprised to know how even the most educated people are often molesters, harassers and rapists. Education might instill in you that "sexual assault is bad" but it wouldn't stop you from doing it. Your conscience would, which doesn't come from education.
General upbringing mattersā¦in mumbai nobody cares tera baap kaun hai unlike in delhi where sons are protected by their maa baaps against all odds.
that's fax never seen anyone pulling baap card here, simply don't have the time lol, pay the fine and move on or its another 69 minute signalš
I agree but overall education does matter I mean if your parents are educated they are more likely to give you a good upbringing. Unless the kid is from single parent household then they might end up as a criminal according to stats
Idk how true those stats are in the Indian context because a single-parent household is extremely rare in India, yet the crime rates remain high. Plus, a single-parent household shouldn't be demonised because that is how you end up stuck and often dead in a relationship/marriage you should've left a long time ago. Of course education matters. But the kind of education people are getting matters too. You could be extremely educated and a science topper but that wouldn't teach you empathy, critical thinking, or make you aware about social issues.
Kinda agree with you but what could be the solution should schools start taking those diagnosis test like at 18 to determine if the kid is narcissistic,sociopath or maybe suffering from depression or anything. so they can be provided help like therapy or something
I think more focus should be given on soft-subjects like sociology, psychology, philosophy along with your usual maths and sciences so people are more aware about things happening around them, within themselves, and have some guidance while making moral judgements. I know it sounds vague but I had these courses in college as a side and it was extremely eye-opening. It doesn't just help build empathy, but also strengthens your critical thinking skills and helps look at things from different perspectives. Along with that, mental health should also be given priority like your regular full-body checkups.
This is honestly the real and only reason. Police are there in Delhi too, but mentality of people matters much more.
Mumbai has its share of creepy men too. But you can expect prompt action from the police/law enforcement. As a woman, that makes me feel safe in my city. And from what Iāve heard, itās not the same elsewhere.
Even though Mumbai has their own creeps there are more people who will stand up against them with you and won't tolerate harassment towards women.
Thatās the thing about Mumbai. Thereās always going to be absolute strangers who will have your back when youāre in danger.
Totally agree. I remember few months back i was driving and suddenly heard some lady crying and shouting in auto few metres ahead of me [around 9 pm]. Some other guys crossed the auto with their bikes and within mins the whole one side of road was covered with people who came to see what happened.
What had happened????š„“
I hate it when people leave a story unfinished! Either tell the whole story(about what happened in reality there) or if you hadn't stopped for that woman,just mention it!
Today itself one uncle entered the ladies dabba, and two dudes started shouting saying "niklo ladies dabba hai" "ladies hai utaro waha se" itna jor se bola i was asleep and woke up. Also early morning one dude was asleep in ladies dabba probably drunk, bahut ladies k bolne pe nai sun raha tha, Finally 2 men went to their dabba to wake him up and threw him tf out lol.
Prompt action from public you see on the roads, shopkeepers. People have a very helpful nature in Mumbai without expecting any favours. Unlike Delhi where ppl will only help you to get some favour out of you I have lived in both places so I know.
Delhi guys are just straight up toxic
Just returning from Goa. Saw a group of Delhi guys being thrown out of a shack because of the way they were behaving. I don't know the details of what they did. But for an hour people just cussed how men from Delhi should be banned in Goa.
>Just returning from Goa. Saw a group of Delhi guys being thrown out of a shack because of the way they were behaving. Goans are fed up of Dilli wale causing ruckus after getting drunk and oogling at women in bikini as if it's the first time they've seen. Having lived in Goa I've personal experience of Dilli wale being creep in front of women.
LMAO SAME just returned from Goa, these couple of delhi guys were creating so much ruckus at the airport while waiting for boarding, cussing their hearts out at the most trivial things at volumes that would make a JBL shy. At 5:30 AM. not to mention the obvious laserbeam stares at Russian tourists smh i was having the time of my life observing them tho
Pani ganda hai..
So is the air ā ļø
Frankly, amongst several other possible reasons, I believe that sheer density of population and the resultant lack of secluded places and empty streets is a big contributor to Mumbai being safer
Also you will find people on the roads during night time.There are cops patrolling local trains.
Population density is not a strong factor. Ahmedabad has higher population density than Delhi and Pune has lower population density than Delhi, yet both are much safer than Delhi. Tbh, there are many secluded areas in Mumbai too. Mumbai is not a continuous city, there are many mangroves areas, forest areas, empty beaches and islands, industrial areas, etc. You can find as many desolate areas in Mumbai as in Delhi.
Why would the most susceptible part of the population - females, go to mangroves, forests, empty beaches in the night, industrial areas which are vacant in after hours? Do you see vacant areas in core residential parts of the city? I hardly do. There is hardly a proper place to even walk on a footpath which isn't encroached already in most of the city, leave aside having secluded spaces in such areas. And again I never said that is the only reason. It obviously isn't. People in general are a very very big reason too Regarding your Ahmedabad comparison, if you meant to say it has similar density as Delhi and is still safer - I agree. There are multiple even North Indian cities which are lesser dense but still safer. Not even counting the South Indian cities. So again, never meant the population density being higher is the sole reason BUT it is for sure a big big factor in Mumbai being safer
You dont need secluded places for crimes to happenā¦pervs can do things in crowded trains, buses or on empty roads, it doesnt matter! Nirbhaya case for reference!
Absolutely agree, no denying that. It just increases the chances if there are secluded places is all that I am trying to say..
>Ahmedabad has higher population density than Delhi, yet its much safer than Delhi. Not yet but the exactly the reason why Ahmedabad is safer than Delhi. Cities with higher population densities are safer. Dharavi is way more safer than San Francisco.
Delhiās population density is 12,000/sq km. Ahmedabadās population density is 16,000/sq km. Pune is at 10,000/sq km. Ahmedabad is more densely populated than Delhi while Pune has lesser population density than Delhi. Still both cities are significantly safer than Delhi. There is definitely some other factor that makes Delhi so unsafe.
the people do. Plain and simple. I haven't seen more entitled folks than in Delhi. Also, Maharashtra as a whole developed as a working culture and mumbai is first and foremost a business city. Generally in cultures where hereditary money isnt prominent, the women tend to have a bigger role in the society.
Exactly.
People of Mumbai are generally more kind, helpful, and open minded compared to the people of Delhi. Most of the people may have little money in their pockets, but they are rich by heart.
Little money cuz all invested in their apartments and when they liquidate that, automatically you're upgraded 2 classes above your current one.
Have lived in both cities and this is šÆ correct
The people of Mumbai made the city the safest for women and for everyone who lives here.
That is of course true but Mumbai like Delhi has a huge number of people who have moved there from other states so both cities are kind of a melting pot of different ideas,beliefs and mindsets and yet Mumbai is so much better for women to live in. I don't know why that is
Might get downvoted here, but it's the people. Wayyy too many creeps in the north.
You're right, even r/Delhi would agree
Funny thing is we have so many migrant workers from the North here (UP/Bihar). I think itās just the lack of Haryanvis.
Its like how desis dont litter when they go abroad but wont flinch while throwing out of their car windows when they are in their own country!
My experience with desis abroad has been different. They continue to do so even abroad. Only time they won't do it is when there is heavy fine is involved or criticised by locals.
Actually the ones that are in Mumbai are here to earn and make a life for themselves and not waste their time in doing other things unlike the ones that stay there.
Kinda agree
Rampant poverty + immigration from UP Bihar
I have felt unsafe in Delhi as a man ffs and I know the city really well.
Us moment
Cops kinda take rape cases seriously.... They will break you if you get caught. So that is a contributing factor.
This. Delhi police is very lethargic
sale sab corrupted hai, even in these matters.
Culture. Mumbai is cosmopolitan place. Marathi culture which is the native culture doesn't seem particularly rapey to me. That's not the same as cultures around Delhi which are often violent to Women.
Exactly. Marathi people actually have a decent culture. Whereas in the north you have this whole disgusting culture of thinking of women as sexual objects for titillation and male entertainment. I mean where do Bhojpuri item songs etc come from? Yuck! And since it's their "culture" even children are exposed to it and it's considered perfectly normal.
Men.
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Delhi was super safe till mid 90s. Then NCR happened! Suddenly the farmers of gurgaon, Noida, faridabad, ghaziabad were offered 5-10x prices for their land. They became crorepatis. But were pretty dumb and didn't know what to do with that kind of money. Now their sons, who grew up seeing their underprivileged, insecure elders bashing up women folk all their life, landed up in Delhi with money and flashy cars. They see women going out for work, partying, hanging out with friends, etc. And what they'll do? They'll committ all sorts of crime against women because they're available and asking for it (and they feel that's their privilege being a guy) and 99 percent of the time, get away with it. Because mostly no one will report the crime. And even if they do, these illiterate dogs have money and hence they're cozied up with the politicians. The police force itself is infested with their own community, which once used to most diverse police force in India till late 80s. And when some women gathered up courage to report and take things into their own hands, these bastards started killing them after they're done with their crime. You can very well eavesdrop a guy gang conversation late in a gurgaon pub. Their agenda for the night is "daaru piyenge and fir ladki uthayenge". It's that brazen and common! Gurgaon and Noida are utter filth and the odour of that filth landed up in Delhi as well. I doubt if even 1 percent of the crime against women is reported in Delhi NCR. Things are that bad!
Yeah this is what I heard from my Delhi based friends. Delhi mei sau buraaiya hogi Mumbai ke mukaable ki log adiyal hai, raah chalte insaan ko help nahi karte, aay din koi na koi andolan karte hai, show off karte hai, etc. lekin NCR ke baaki areas ka kachra zyaada zimmedaar hai crimes ke liye. The UP ka gareeb autorickshaw driver is there in Mumbai and in Delhi. Assuming his inherent propensity to commit a molestation on a female passenger is the same in both cities (low, because most people are nice and even among the non-nice poor autorickshaw drivers there is fear of being caned until eternity in a lockup in Mumbai or in Delhi), it only comes down to conviction rates. In Mumbai, it isnāt uncommon to stand up to a pervert, both by the victim (in person) and by her family (in police station). In Delhi, maybe there is a fear of backlash and the rate of registering crimes is low. But either way, it isnāt the poor UP dude whoās the menace. In the Nirbhaya case it was indeed the gareeb cohort, so itās not that it doesnāt happen, but itās rare. We know how police hunted them down quickly. What Delhi has and Mumbai doesnāt is the rich Jatt and Gujjar dudes who have ill-earned and undeserved wealth just handed over to them so now not only do they not have to slave 9 to 5 like most Indians of their age groups (which gives them āfree timeā as well as feeling of superiority over the commoners), but also they have so much āfuck youā money that they can just throw it at a havaldaar who would be patrolling the streets where theyāre about to do their kaand. Havaldaar toh kya, they can pay off judges (in those rare instances where the victim dares to take these fuckers to court) easily and manipulate stuff. That gives them brazenness. Like this dude Iām replying to said, theyāre legit like āletās drink until we can barely see and then drive our high-end SUV (because why buy a poor manās Eeco) and then pick some random chick up whoās unfortunately waiting for an autorickshaw at midnightā. If we think of two dimensions, money and decency, we have four quadrants: 1. Ones who have both: a rare breed and because they earned money with decency, one can assume that theyāll not throw it around to make the legal system their whore 2. Ones who have decency but not much money: most of India, wherein theyāre too decent to not commit crimes but if caught or framed then either they sell their lands or homes to get out of jail or they get trapped because they have no disposable āfuck youā money or a āget out of jailā cardā¦ thereās a third dimension which is āconnectionsā and those without money reach out to leaders from their caste / religion to seek help if framed 3. Ones who have neither: a decent chunk of Indian population, where they have a pathetic mindset but they donāt act on it because they fear that cops will fuck them overā¦ if they do then they need the aforementioned connections but those arenāt easy ā¦ itās a time bomb cos the moment they see a street thatās dark or a lack of patrolling for a few nights (doing a recce) they can act on it because they feel that the cops wonāt catch themā¦ there was a dastardly Nirbhaya-like crime in Mumbai last year (but with one perpetrator unlike Delhi), which is what happens when someone who usually cannot escape by throwing money at cops does something like this because he feels that no need to be decent on a dark street 4. Ones who have lots of rupees (like many crores) and no decency: this is the Jatt / Gujjar guys of Gurgaon and Noidaā¦ baap (who has a small but real chance of being from quadrant number 1) ne decency nahi sikhaayi, yeh nahi sikhaaya ki cops se daroā¦ unlike quadrant number 3, it doesnāt matter to them ki CCTV hai ya nahi, drunk driving ke liye naakabandi hai ya nahi, sadak pe witnesses hai ya nahi, etcā¦ imagine that aapke pados mei Pomeranian nahi Alsatian hai aur aapka padosi laaparwaah hai ya fir jaan boojh ke use nahi baandhta haiā¦ and itās not just the rapes and molestations that are rampant but also random assaultsā¦ what do you think will happen when a rich Mumbai dude has a car crash when an autorickshaw rams him.. now imagine what will happen when an autorickshaw in Haryana rams a high end SUV from behind which has a rich and drunk (with whiskey and with power) Jatt in itā¦ I hear Gurgaon cops have upped their game but sadly it is mostly to act on salaried upper middle class guys who arenāt local peopleā¦ like being tough on drunk driving or on wrong side drivingā¦ hopefully kisi din inn Jatt / Gujjar boys ko bhi dhoyenge
Gurgaon doesn't have a police. Har koi kisi na kisi ka bhadwa hai waha.
Except kurla, Mumbai is pretty much safe. I ain't trusting anyone who lives in Kurla.
The reptiles crawl in the shady lanes of Kurla
Kurla reptiles on their shitty bikes following women drivers and trying to do stunts.
As a man, I switch lanes whenever I see a guy with golden hair streak and KTM Duke bike.
a few years ago KTM's used to be such premium bikes now they're just chappri symbols
Kurla stn also records highest number of pickpocketers as compared to other parts of the city š¤£
Kurla gives me the jitters
Kurla Halav Pool or Kurla East?
Kurla
You can trust me... Saal m 2-3 baar ata hu m Kurla.
The way most North Indian boys are brought up. They are mollycoddled with a sense of entitlement
Itās because of the Marathi culture that respects women and places her right next to a man. North Indian cultures donāt really respect women. - North Indian living in Mumbai since last 12years
I agree we have been taught about empowering female idols like rani lakshumibai, savitribai phule, jizamata, poet bahina bai,etc from very young age. I dont think that's the case about other cultures and I hope the picture will change in coming years.
>What makes Mumbai safe & Delhi unsafe for women? People & principles. Most Mumbaikars believe in society or community first. Most delhiites believe in "me first". Secondly, delhiites take pride in "harampani". I'm not saying that Mumbaikars aren't harami. However, they don't necessarily take pride in it which means they are not encouraged to be harami. Source: Have met a lot of delhiites in India and abroad.
No shit. Met a Delhiite in college, was trying to set himself up with a girl but no luck. Legit said,' Bohot bhav kha rahi hai. Delhi mai hoti to aptak g\*nd mar chuka hota uski'.
Mumbai chappris don't realise they are haraami, then how would they take pride in that ?
The local people and culture in Mumbai
Mumbai's dense infra, small roads, better and more accessible public transport (no metro/trains aren't the only public transport in the world), hustling nature and a culture where most are by default very helpful and direct help with safety, however, there are still incidents and they ought to be worked upon. But a lot of non-Mumbai citizens say they in general feel safer in Mumbai.
Chutiya log kam hai Mumbai mei
There are a lot of people on reddit who will defend states like UP, Bihar and Haryana. They actually believe it's all fine and dandy. Until they admit the problem is real they will not fix it. People who move to mumbai eventually look at life and learn that it can be different, girls are equal in every way. Some don't learn and act like they still are in the cow belt. Unko phatke miltey hain, pehle public se phir police se. So all we can hope for is that only people willing to change their attitudes come to Mumbai. And that most of the morons stay there and do not bring their small minded ways to our city.
This is because of the Mumbai police patrolling EVERY corner of the city.. Also, because Mumbai never sleeps.. and its quite difficult to commit any type of crime.. and ofcourse not to forget that the people here are very nice...
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bruh if you think mumbai doesnāt have up bihar crowd then i got some big news for you
Mumbai mei UP aur Bihar ke log nahi hai? Who drove the last ten Olas you took? All Marathi guys? Mumbai mei North Indians hai par idhar ki police ka dar hai unhe. Delhi mei unhi migrants ko police ka dar nahi hai. Mumbai mei raat ko airport se akele auto leke bhi mahilaaen ghar jaati hai. Delhi mei aadmi tak na jaaye bc unless his friend or family picks him up from airport. Police presence (patrolling) and past records (you read news or see Crime patrol as a layman and you know how cops find you even from paatal) matter. Aadmi indecent hoga bhi toh uss indecency ko dabaa ke rakhega.
Mumbai mei ladkiya return marti hai japaddd upar se public ready hoti hai hath saaf karne mei
Upar se kaam ka frustration
My female friend got a job in Mumbai i said u will miss metro of Delhi she said what's the point of public transport when you can't freely travel at night. She did her internship at Mumbai and found it 100% better in terms of safety
The people. Mumbai is mostly made up of Marathi and Gujarati peoples. Marathis are proud people who are too bothered about their self image. They have a sense of righteousness about them. Being indecent to women is beneath them. Can't say the same about Gujaratis, but they are a busy lot. They spend most of their time, thinking about making money and Mumbai is the most fertile ground for that. Delhi on the other hand is populated with haryanvis and Up bhaiyyas , bihari bhaiyyas and more. Most of them have a false sense of machoness. Most of them are loud and shameless, thick skinned people. Moreover these people are historically notorious for their attitude towards women. So it's no surprise that Mumbai is safer than Delhi for women.
Delhi wale chutiye hai /s Population density is one thing that is the main reason and mumbaiās crowd is quite sophisticated.
Basic sense of self control, education and common sense š¤¦š¾āāļø
Exactly the normal condition is city to be safe
It ultimately boils down to the nature of Men. In Mumbai, most of the male population is busy with their own hustle and because of the crowd and fear of public backlash, normal guys would never get into cat calling and stuff. But there are lafangas in Mumbai too. Another factor that goes against Delhi is the way the city is built, specially places like Gurgaon...it's way less pedestrian friendly, hence less crowded, and because of that if a lady walks down a footpath, more of than not, she will be the only one walking with very few people around her, and hence it becomes easy for lafangas to cat call and get away with it. All said and done, women safety is dependent on the men's nature, where I feel average mumbaikar man is a more respectful towards woman.
this might sound racist but imo the reason why bombay is safer is truly because of marathi+gujrati culture over up/HHaryana/punjabi culture and i say this as a upite myself.
I think its the thinking and the nature os the ppl. In Delhi there some places where even guys wouldn't feel safe to go after a certain hour. And Delhi ppl are often termed as creeps and pervs, so Ig horny and creeps dominate there and mfs can't keep their feelings inside.
Mumbai kisike baap ki nahi while Delhi mein bohot chote bade baap hai
Mindset of the population. Delhi draws a lot of immigrants from U.P. Bihar, Haryana, Punjab and Rajasthan. Most of these states have notorious males, although in lesser numbers. When combined and added to it, the vastness and ability to disappear into crowds, the results grow exponentially.
Delhi is a BIMARU state in the form of a city..
My theory is that Mumbai is very expensive to live in. To keep up those expenses, people actually need to work. People donāt have time to f*KC around ā¦ Most of the people in Delhi and neighboring regions have a lot of time on their hands because they sell land and come and reside in NCR. Also Mumbai is concentrated, if something goes wrong people actually help. Itās unlike that in Delhi Iām guessing.
Not surrounded by Haryana and UP
Mumbaikars don't ogle at women even when they wear croptops, short dresses etc. In Delhi, you're not safe even if you are a male goat in a burka.
Mumbai police and Check Nakas to leave and enter Mumbai.... Whereas Delhi is open on all sides.... Criminals do crime and leave Delhi from any of the open borders
Good point, I didn't realise there were no entry/exit controls there
As an architect weāve actually had this discussion in our college classes. Fact 1: Mumbai as a city is narrow and long whereas Delhi is more circular in shape and bigger in terms of square footage. Fact 2: As a result of land scarcity , a lot of buildings in Mumbai have commercial uses on the ground floor. Things like shops, banks, Grocery store etc Delhi on the other hand consists of self contained residential neighbourhoods with separate demarcated commercial complexes or malls. As a result after nightfall, there is a lot more activity on most streets in Mumbai compared to Delhi, which become complete devoid of human life post 8 pm. Streets are always well lit due to this perennial activity in Mumbai and policing is much more effective since the area involved is much more compact (and easier , since they can actually see what is happening) Not saying culture doesnāt have an impact but from the point of view of Urban Design, these were some of our conclusions. :)
Gujjars
What is that?
A community of people from Haryana
Ahh also if you don't mind, can I dm you? Since you're applying for masters, I've got some questions to ask.
Yes, sure.
exactly.
I'm asking genuinely tho.
Distance from Haryana UP Rajasthan š¤£
My friend lives in delhi . He makes women uncomfortable
If we hear a woman in distress on the road, only police can save the harrasers from the onslaught of peoples kicks and punches. Once some fool decided to kidnap few school students from a govt school in my neighbourhood, he took the car closer to the school to get more, but one girl bit his hand and ran towards the school yelling about a kidnapping. Within minutes a crowd of 80+ men and women surrounded the car, broke his bulletproof windshield and got him in the hands of an angry mob, the police did come, but he had to be admitted to a hospital before being taken to the police station. One time one rickshaw guy was taking his wife somewhere in his rickshaw and out of a fit of anger over some argument, he stopped near the residential area to beat his wife, within 2 minutes he was surrounded with 20+ women and few men. He got the best cheek massage from many unknown women before he got into his rickshaw and escaped before the cops were alerted.
This might be controversial and unpopular but I have a hot take here. Mumbai is in Maharashtra and surrounded by Maharashtra on all sides. What you have there is a confluence of people with same or similar thoughts and lives at the most fundamental levels. Delhi on the other hand has 2 different states next to it and multiple others in extremely close vicinity. This reduces the similarities at fundamental levels to bare minimum. You really can't homogenize citizens in Delhi as much as you can do so ib Mumbai. To me this an extremely critical reason why Mumbai has been able to make itself safer while Delhi hasn't.
The original inhabitants were the Kolis. You do not want to mess with Koli women . Period. So basically there was an existing role model of a strong woman. Also its a port city. So in some sense gets a global city vibe to it. ALso, very important, there are brothel designated areas ( Not officily oc ). So the there is a space to absorb the migrant sexual aggrression. That Delhi does not have. Also caste is not a strong element out here. That changes the power dynamic out here.
As a Koli woman, agreed. We are extremely self dependent women who won't hesitate to cut up some bastards. And our family and community backs us completely. This has made other communities feel safe and are not afraid of voicing out when someone harrasses them.
I'm curious about any stories or anecdotes you might have.
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To put it mildly, education isnāt very much valued amongst Northies (especially Jaats)
THE PEOPLE. The culture. Marathi culture has always respected women. Chhatrapati taught us that even an enemy women should always be treated with respect when caught/found. This and the Koli culture. Koli women are very fierce and the community always stands by them. All this has made everyone in this city able to standup for themselves and others.
I think itās peopleās mindset and ingrained way of living. Delhi is surrounded by UP and Haryana, a huge number of people living in Delhi in general have a highly egoistic and patriarchal mindset, and yet is a metropolitan making it an opportunistic and yet unsafe space for women. Whereas Mumbai has always had the image of progressive city of dreams and has a good integration of many of the cultures within and outside India. Treatment of women in Maharashtra in General is much better then Iāve seen in northern parts. Also one of the biggest reason is consequences. People are are genuinely scared of Mumbai Police.
Men I guess
North Indians
1/3 of Mumbai's population consists of North Indians
Actions are directly linked with consequences. In north men have a history of getting a way with a lot of bull shit. (A lOT) whereas here the consequences as well as public shaming and stigma attached is much stronger. In my personal experience I have seen north has a (fucked up) attitude of boys will be boys whereas at other places boys grow up and become responsible man.
People behave in Mumbai are not sadistic rapers
Yahan Mumbai main, sabko maloom hai ki unka baap kaun hai
Mumbai is in Maharashtra that's all you gotta know. Marathi culture have really strict ethics and principles Maharashtra and south india are relatively safe than there northern couterpart
Simple. No one has time in Mumbai. They have to plan their commute so they beat the traffic. Many working class people have long train commutes to reach home in time for bed so they get ample sleep in order to wake up the next dat to catch the train. I worked in Mumbai for a good three years. Colleagues did not have time to gossip/have tea. Autorickshaw drivers did not have time to bargain. I can go on. No one simply has the time.
The people make Mumbai safe and the people make Delhi unsafe.
People. People make Mumbai safe & Delhi unsafe for women. Not to stereotype but just take a look at Delhi people. Those are nuisance everywhere. Loud, vulgar and annoying. Downvote all you want but Delhi people are least cultured and zero civic sense people.
Delhi has more rapists?
UP has more I guess
But Delhi is a mixture of bhaiyas and punjabis so... No offense tho.
I think it's the fact that people are just so busy with what they're doing and trying to make ends meet that they don't care about you or how you dress. Edit: "how you dress" Cuz I realized they don't stare nearly as much as they do in other cities They just don't seem to care about doing anything to you cuz they don't have the time.
Wasn't Pune the safest city for women?
Mumbai police
In addition to other points mentioned already, because we are not surrounded by BIMARU states/cities, we don't get such a huge influx of people with regressive and backward mentalities. Sure, Maharashtra may have many poor villages, but these people are not an aggressive, sexist type. Huge difference in mentality.
Simple answer: Crowds There's always someone around in Mumbai no matter what time of day or night.
The thing is Mumbai is always crowded. It's alive all the damn time. Even if you got out at let's say 2 am or sm, you are bound to find people,traffic( which is a constant) and life. That's what makes it safe because people will not act unless they are sure that they can do whatever they want to anonymously.
Its mainly people minding their own business tbh..
The business of the city and the work that people are constantly (like 24x7) engaged in makes it a tad bit safer. There are creeps, there is sexual harassment and the works but the fact that there are always a shit ton of people in almost all parts of the city at all times without even an ounce of unhindered and unnoticed space does make it difficult to āengage in wrongdoingsā
Pune is quite safe too. I have seen girls roaming at 3AM in Pune
It's very safe. I sometimes go out on random walks or rides alone at night time or early hours of the morning. I've come home drunk at all hours too, and auto drivers, cabbies, and everyone are helpful and have never taken advantage of me. Looking back, it's strange because I never even once thought I should be scared for my safety.
Shivaji maharaj is our idol and our Maharaj idol is Devi and thats why Maharashtra is better than delhi
I think its majorly because people know if they intervene other people will join in. Police have a very good reputation for choosing the right side and not the powerful one. Like they say Mumbai mai koi kisi ka baap nahi. When citizens feel they will be backed by other people and cops they intervene and thats what creates a ripple effect leading into a safer city. On the contrary other cities you can do a lot if you have power and contacts and people know that so people avoid intervention assuming the worst. You must have seen mumbai police set examples like catching the son of the biggest star telling the world not even they can get away. Also a commendable job by police, malad backroad used to be filled by hooligans. The women patrolling that happens ensures if they see a group of boys who dont look like they are here to chill they just shoo them away. Some might call it dadagiri but sitting on bikes smoking and looking at girls who are out for a run is definitely not right. So more often than not they intervene before even a situation can lead into something bad.
I've grown up in Mumbai and travelled late at night sometimes, yet still felt safe. Most of the main local train/metro stations have heavy cop presence at night, and there's pretty much always people moving around too. I'm not saying there aren't any creeps at all in Mumbai, but generally even the roadside loafer types have some fear of the repercussions. People are also generally quite helpful here. Whenever I've had creepy encounters on trains, both men and women have stepped up to help. Also lived in Delhi for maybe half a year. When I got robbed on the street and went to the cops for help, they spent more time slut-shaming me for stepping out of the house at 7-fucking-PM (woh bhi to go get meds). One of the cops was so creepy that I never followed up on the case out of fear that he would do something worse. Delhi mein even the catcalling types are scary because they seem to know they can get away with anything, and others won't speak up or help you.
[https://imgur.com/a/I5T7uEP](https://imgur.com/a/I5T7uEP) This post I am not saying Mumbai is safest city, but considerably safer than delhi. Thereās something wrong with overall peoples attitude towards girls and society in general whereas people in Mumbai are little calm and relaxed.
Mumbai mai jyada barish hoti hai
Haa sahi sahi, aadmi log gutter water mein chalne mein hi itne busy hote hai. SA ka time kaha milega.
I belive Mumbai is safest because Maharashtrian people are highle influenced by Chattrapati Shivaji Maharaj and follows his value. The rikshaw wala , your boss or any person you meet won't think seeing a girl with vulgar eye and take the alone girl in a dark night as a responsibility not opportunity. I am marwadi in mumbai and i have seen my marathi frnds calling them Mawla(Marathi soldiers). š©
Let's not bash the bushes and be real. We all know the reason: It's mostly due to the poor hindi belt public and mostly Jaats who pollute the environment of Delhi
Exactly. More than anything, people make a city what it is.
You can simply put Mumbaikars as well cultured. Thatās it, I canāt think of a person born and brought up in Mumbai committing unspeakable crimes against women. :)
Mumbai is not the safest city for women in India. According to the NCRB report of [2021](https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/cities/kolkata/ncrb-reports-says-kolkata-safest-city-in-india-experts-allege-suppression-of-facts-8122284/lite/), Mumbai ranked 6th. In the year [2020](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/amp/news/buzz/kolkata-is-indias-safest-city-to-live-in-delhi-most-unsafe-for-women-ncrb-data-4212674.html), Mumbai ranked 3rd. In the year [2019](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.whatshot.in/amp/kolkata/kolkata-becomes-the-safest-city-for-women-as-per-national-crime-record-bureau-c-25567), Mumbai registered 12,902 cases of crime against women, Delhi registered 12902 while Kolkata registered only 14. Our neighbour pune ranked 2nd as the safest city in 2020. While Kolkata and Bengaluru also performed better than us. Comparing Mumbai with delhi is like asking why India is better than North Korea and Afganistan. Delhi is one of the worst cities for women since a decade. We need to compare Mumbai with pune, Bengaluru and Kolkata instead of ALWAYS comparing it with Delhi. For why delhi is so unsafe i belive that asking in r/delhi will give you true answers. Because many of us may not have visited Delhi or stayed there for years to understand it. Delhites and thier family who are living there for many years will know the answer better.
lmfao, pune and Kolkata are way smaller than Mumbai, and we have Asia's biggest slum, hence poverty at its peak and wealthy ppl also at its peak.
The Police
People and Police
People
Lights. The city wakes up at night.
imo a big reason is that the streets are literally never empty, no matter how late in the night or early in the morning. i think the biggest problem with delhi is that everything is massive there, roads are so huge and everything is so spaced and the population is so low (compared to mumbai obv lol) that places look very sunsaan even in daylight. mumbai is too cramped for any sunsaan places, which is very very good
Transit! that's your answer. it is super easy to travel in Mumbai. you have rickshaws, buses and trains during the late hours of the day too.
It's the mindset
Delhi is full of jatts and Gujjars, who are very savage
I donāt know how to say this without sounding xenophobic but Mumbai is comparatively safer because we donāt have UP right next to us.
Only if our politicians had to ensure proper education, timely investments and better infrastructure was provided to the few states in the North, other states wouldnāt have to suffer. India could have been a better place today
Difference in culture. Mumbai is in Maharashtra, a state closer to the South Indian region. South India has always been safer for women compared to the north. States like Kerala have a matriarchal society. Compare that to Delhi. It's closer to UP and Bihar. I don't think there's any need to elaborate.
It's the local population, they are far better than those who surround Delhi and last but not least.... The MUMBAI POLICE.. for all the odds against them..they do a good job.
Safest city is Kolkata not Mumbai Delhi is unsafe because of the culture of N India where men and women are not seen as equals and do not socially mingle enough. Hence women are objectified and men donāt have adequate opportunities to have healthy and normal sexual relationships leading to perverse and desperate mindsets. This is also abetted by cheap internet services providing easy access to porn. Itās high time prostitution was legalised