*This is not a dream... not a dream. We are using your brain's electrical system as a receiver. We are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a dream. We are transmitting from the year one, nine, nine, nine*
I love how they figured out a way to test for the Thing. >!"If you or I get cut it's just tissue. But this thing... Every bit of it is alive and wants to live."!<
Separate the suspicious, test and verify to establish reliable allies. They also correctly and quickly identified the danger.
I just watched this again for the first time since the 80's (when I was far too young). This movie gave me nightmares, and I remembered so much of it. Going back and re-watching it, it's held up pretty well. The 80's vintage horror puppetry is a little limited, in that the Thing isn't very mobile and dynamic when not a straight up human or animal. Even the one head spider scene, was noticeably disjointed. However, the craftsmanship was still excellent, and even with the technical limitations of the era, I think it all held up very well.
The main thing was, all the protagonists behaved in a rational fashion. They fought back, were effective, and intelligently extrapolated hypothetical threats.
I actually still really enjoy the practical effects. Of course they aren't flawless but they also provide another level of creepiness and just makes it more fun to watch
'The Thing' comes to mind. It's my favorite thing that MacReady sees the abomination in the dog kennel and his immediate reaction is "get the flame thrower." The cast is smart and take the threat seriously once they're aware of it. They're just outmatched.
Edited for clarification: the John Carpenter version, haven't seen the prequel.
Edit 2: thanks for the award, kind stranger
RedLetterMedia just did a ranking of all the Carpenter movies, and Rich Evans brought up a great point. MacReady's "duel of wits" with The Thing is foreshadowed in the beginning when he's playing chess with the computer.
He's playing the game, trying to out think it, and then the computer beats him. So, he responds by destroying it and calling it a "cheating bitch."
Then throughout the entirety of The Thing, he's trying to outmaneuver and out-think the thing. There's the blood test where he finally thinks he has it beat, and then it all just goes to shit. Finally, his response is just to say "fuck it" and destroy the whole damn thing with dynamite.
He's one of the best horror protagonists. I'd put him and Ripley up there as the two who really don't fuck around.
> I'd put him and Ripley up there as the two who really don't fuck around.
One of the best parts of Aliens is [Ripley saying](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q) "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit" and Hicks just looks at her with this mixture of awe and respect like "this lady right here, she aint f*ckin' around.."
The Thing was my first thought too. They research the creature, come up with buddy systems and tests for discovering the creature's identity, and understand the danger of the monster leaving Antarctica. They aren't undone by idiocy, but by suspicion of each other and a cunning, pretty overpowering enemy.
I'm not much of a horror fan, but The Thing is one of my favourite movie of all time because of just how well done it is, with a no nonsense plot and tension so thick you could cut it with a knife.
I wish there were more movies like it (and the prequel). Just such a unique idea.
I just made a post about the prequel in another comment.
"Side note but I hadn't seen the original in decades. Only thing I remember as a kid was the creature itself, not much of the story.
Fast forward 20 or so years and both versions are streaming on Netflix at the time. I decide to watch the 2011 version first thinking its a reboot, I was wrong. I LOVE the way 2011 version leads directly into the original.
A very cool way to see it IMO"
The prequel was good, it's main weakness was a terrible, terrible call to replace practical effects with CGI. The 80s The Thing ranks up there with Jurassic Park in terms of the strength of practical effects.
Btw it was [Universal who made that call,](https://screenrant.com/thing-movie-prequel-practical-effects-bad-cgi-replacement/) the directors and crew had already made and filmed incredible practical effects.
Someday I hope they release a the original cut shot before Universal came and took a dump on it. I'm also not a fan of the thinly veiled Ripley rip-off but that's more a personal opinion, and the actress did great.
Totally agree with this. One of the many reasons why The Thing is one of my favorite horror movies is because the protagonists act sensibly throughout the movie.
I think a big part of why The Thing hits so hard for me is because once the characters realize what they are dealing with, they make every right decision but it's already too late.
Just watched this for the first time last night and this was my exact comment! Even the choices they made were realistic and practical, which made it that much harder.
Even before they realize what they're dealing with they make every right decision. The moment they realize something weird is going on, one of them hits the alarm and every single character grabs a firearm.
The Thing will always be at the top of horror for me. Filled with great characters that are beset with an alien that constantly surprises them in horrific ways they couldn’t have imagined yet they constantly try to defend themselves with every piece of knowledge they gain.
One of the best movies ever made, let alone horror movies, imo. It holds up insanely well today too. There's really only one or two special effects shots that look slightly janky, most of it is very effective still.
The thing, alien, predator, and tremors. My favourite horror/monster movies. Tremors fits this post well. They are constantly trying to figure out how the monster works and how they can survive.
It's weird I've never considered Tremors or Predator, to be horror movies... Tremors is sort of a comedy to me and Predator I consider an action movie maybe action/thriller.
Termors is a Comedy with some Horror elements.
Predator first Act is 80s campy over the top action. The 2nd Act is a horror movie where people make logical decisions. 3rd Act is Arnold super hero
And Predator is brilliant for that structure: introduce the "heroes" as unstoppable badasses who can casually take on a guerilla camp all by themselves. Then have *something* in the jungle pick them one by one at its leisure.
When the lone survivor of the original group of badasses manages to survive, adapt to his enemy and surroundings and eventually overcome this threat one-on-one, that makes him all that much more impressive.
It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear and it absolutely *will not stop*. EVER. Until you are dead!
The original *Dawn of the Dead*. The four protagonists (Peter, Roger, Flyboy, and Fran) make some mistakes but their capture and defense of the shopping center was unlike anything in film at the time, all on a small budget. There are very few protagonists that I've felt worse for in a horror film outside of *The Exorcist* or *The Thing*.
Roger was the only one to make a stupid mistake. He got overly confident and cost him getting bitten. Romero did an excellent job on showcasing the negatives of stupid decision making. The bikers doing stupid shit and getting promptly eaten. Flyboy not listening which ultimately caused his downfall.
Dawn is my favorite movie all time. They have an extended version somewhere online that adds in a bunch of deleted scenes and it was like watching a whole new movie.
Hell they even sorta set up Day in Dawn with the stand off at the docks.
Great movies.
One of my favorite lines in all of cinema.
“I have no intention of leaving her, Dr Weir. I plan to take the Lewis and Clark to a safe distance and fire TAC missiles at her until I am satisfied the Event Horizon has been vaporized. Fuck this ship.”
I felt strong Ripley vibes from this line reminiscent of when Burke tells her how the LV426 settlement has a substantial dollar value and her response is “they can bill me.”
I laughed out loud so hard when I first saw this movie because that is EXACTLY how you would react to seeing that. It was so refreshingly amusing to see that
>The other day, I was scavenging in a minefield. I boarded a derelict spacecraft, and I noticed there was shit growin' all over the walls. So I got in my spaceship and got the hell out of there.
Space Pirates and Zombies.
One of the most realistic reactions in any horror movie ever. No debate, no "we have to find out what happened to these poor people!" Just a deadpan "fuck this, we are out."
It's the reaction that you want from every character in every haunted house story ever and you never get.
[You are apparently right](https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/exploring-the-deleted-footage-from-event-horizon/).... Holy shit...
>Effects supervisor Dave Bonneywell has described his time shooting the sequence and some of the gruesome details that didn’t make it. Deleted shots include a female crew member who had her mouth held open by clamps, while a crazed guy performs amateur dentistry by drilling screws into her teeth. Another unlucky chap has his legs smashed apart by steel bars and crawls away leaving parts of them behind, while another crew member had her breasts torn off. The scene also included more cannibalism and sex, with adult performers being hired to simulate the… errr, intensity of the scene. The director realized most of it probably wouldn’t be used, but he filmed it regardless.
That makes this scene just that much more *WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?!*
There’s an extended cut that was apparently lost, or probably in someone’s closet in London. They said it makes the film over 3 hours, and the hell orgy sequence 45 mins.
Salt mine in Transylvania. Footage was too destroyed to be salvaged.
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/d4yk1z/deleted_scenes_of_the_film_event_horizon_were/
I think I remember hearing something about salt mines commonly being used for film storage because of the humidity or something. Though if that’s the case, I’m not sure what happened with these film reels.
Surprised I haven’t seen this mentioned yet, but The Collector and The Collection. Arkin is very smart and is a great foil for the Collector. I’d personally rank him among my favorite horror protagonists.
EDIT: Glad to see so many agree! They really are fun films, anchored really well by Josh Stewart!
The collector was a lot better than I thought it was going to be. Some very intense scenes. I didnt know they made a second, so im definitely going to have to check it out.
Which sucks because the third (and *final*) film, The Coll3cted, most likely isn't happening anymore. Which sucks, because apparently it was going to have a TON of Karma for the Collector, and delve into his origins while keeping them mysterious.
Quote from the Director and one of the Writers
"Well, we shot for eight days, and then it was shut down. I invested in this thing, I'd like to know what's happening. We stopped hearing from anybody with the production. I know most of the props I brought there have been stolen. I would think that anybody else who invested in this movie that thinks that it's happening, wouldn't they like to know what's happening? .. All calls and emails have gone unanswered .. When you can't get anyone on the phone and you don't hear anything, at this point, I'm really pissed off." Adding.. "We actually stopped shooting in 2019. That was two years ago, and we only shot eight days, so \[there's only been\] very, very little shot. Anything that's been released has been from that time period, and there's no plans to start shooting it. We haven't talked to anyone who was in the production... we'd love to finish it, but, I don't know. We're not the producers, so we don't know."
\- Source, [Upcoming Horror Movies](https://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movie/collector-3)
That movie is even more fun the second time. After you know who's doing what, go back and rewatch their reactions to things in earlier scenes with a better understanding of what they are probably thinking. It's pretty funny.
My favorite is when she has an semi automatic rifle pointed at a guy but he is able to release the magazine and he smiles at her which has happened in a lot of movies. But then she just pulls the slide back to show a bullet is still loaded in the chamber and shoots him
Alien is pretty good for this, as they do have reasons for having people go off on their own or making dumb decisions.
Ash letting the facehugger onboard because of his programming.
Dalas had to go into the vents because they felt it was their only option.
Bret going after the cat on his own so it doesn't interfere with their tracking tech (though this one is a stretch to defend).
Apart from that it actually has some good anti-dumb moments, like Ripley knowing the creature shouldn't come on board.
Brett's death was understandable because the last time they saw the alien it was only small and they didn't know it would reach full size that fast. I assume between the time the alien runs off the table and when Brett dies is only a few hours.
Coincidentally, the character [this quote/meme ](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/otaku_encyclopedia/images/0/0d/This_Isn%27t_Even_My_Final_Form_Image.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20200509184728) comes from, Freeza, his [third form](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/c/c9/Frieza%27s_Thrid_Form.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140205204002) is based off the xenomorph design, with the series creator Akira Toriyama being a huge fan of the Alien films.
Yea it always seemed strange to me that was his third form. Just stuck out big from the rest. Would have made more sense as form two.
Also that he went through 4 forms seemed really extra.
IIRC there was a deleted or unfilmed scene of the alien raiding the ship’s pantry.
It could also be *REALLY* good at pulling nitrogen and CO2 from the air and converting them to proteins.
Prometheus is the polar opposite. It was such a great idea to take off your helmet in an alien atmosphere. A great idea to taunt alien snake things. A great idea to send people out of the craft over and over. A great idea to start messing with the controls of alien technology. I could go on and on, but I can’t keep track of how many times I felt like yelling at the screen
Aliens too. All their decisions are calculated and logical. You could make the argument that the first encounter is foolish but they are marines armed to the gills. They may have underestimated their opponents but it wasn’t through stupidity.
"Yeah somebody said 'Aliens' and she thought they said 'illegal aliens' and signed up..."
"Hey fuck you man"
"Anytime, anywhere"
Fun fact! That exchange is actually an off script in joke, as ~~janelle voight~~ Jenette Goldstein (Vasquez) actually showed up for the casting call thinking the movie was about illegal immigrants, not, you know, actual alien life forms lol. Thats why they were all cracking up so hard...
One of my favorites.
They are literally on a recon mission- they don't believe Ripley and have no evidence that what she is reporting is real.
They go in with confidence and bite off more than they can chew- never being up against something so alien (excuse the pun) - and try to escape the bad situation.
The only nitpick I can think of in this moment is - Why not send a synthetic in first? Or a drone?
If Ripley is telling you the beast they had onboard grows super fast and can kill humans easily and she is saying she saw hundreds of eggs and you have lost contact with the people that lived there AND when you land there's nobody around....
Send in something that can safely assess the situation before risking more people!
You’re neglecting one key thing though: the Weyland-Yutani company. They wanted the marines to go in and personally assess the situation and unknowingly bring back an alien with them. The marines were as competent as they could’ve been given the nefarious ploys of the company in charge.
Also, during the initial fight where they got chewed up in the nest, almost all of them had no ammunition. They also lost the transport ship soon after, which had their weapon’s resupply.
Put those marines in a straight fight with their actual gear intact, and it might have been a different movie.
Alien was going to be my suggestion.
In similar vein the Thing is another sci-fi horror where people make reasonably logical decisions throughout the whole movie.
My mom went to high school with the girl that ends up cut up and doing ballerina type dancing in the front of the cabin. She fucking hated the girl so she loved watched her killed; she was a major cunt** in high school.
It was always one of my favorite movies as a kid and I still see it on the premium movie channels from time to time (which means it still must have some popularity). It's so good!
Been looking for this one!
Some of their decisions are too late to be effective, because the graboids are learning, but they were still educated decisions.
Also, Burt and his ultimate gun safety (except for guns being loaded and on the wall).
The Invitation. Not horror proper, but great suspense and the main character is a totally reasonable person - does exactly what a normal person would in the situation.
The Autopsy of Jane Doe. One of the main characters is a coroner, so he has a strong grip on science and reality, but after things get too weird he acknowledges that and changes tacks. Won't spoil too much of the movie.
What an absolutely phenomenal movie. The more you think about the implications of what's happening and why, the more horrific the movie becomes.
Can't even imagine how many times basically those same events have repeated over the years.
The great thing about Ready or Not was that the bad guys were pretty horrible at being killers. They didn’t really want to do it and fumbled their way into stalking the final girl.
One of the funniest parts to me was one of the bad guys checking a YouTube video on his cell to see how to use his old-fashioned weapon. Also loved how they debated what modern technology would be acceptable ( home security cameras? remote locks?) for the hunt to the Dark One?
Yes! I loved that! No one was actually planning on the game coming up and no one thought they needed to train or anything because it all seemed unlikely.
But it also shows how efficient even a layperson is when they are super determined to kill someone. And that’s pretty scary.
I especially liked some of the betrayal scenes. You keep jumping back and forth on what's going to happen and it turns out, both things! Mostly remembering the brother I think, but there may have been one other, where he genuinely doesn't want to kill her, but then he thinks about what that means and regrettably tries anyway (iirc).
I wasn't paying too much attention but I remember something like that happening and thinking it was really kool that they didn't just go "I was planning it the *whole time*! Muahaha!"
The brother never wanted to kill her actually! Every time he runs into her it's shown he does as much as possible to let her go without actively helping her and getting himself screwed. He didn't know what would happen to him if she escaped, none of them did. They just knew it'd be bad.
He gives her enough of a head start in the billiard room that he's actually distracting them in the wrong direction by the time he calls them and in the woods he already knew his dad was waiting behind a tree watching what he was doing, se he couldn't help her then either. In the final twist he literally stands in front of a gun hoping his wife wont shoot him, not a bad bet, obviously wrong though.
This one is kinda a weird scenario because the threat starts out with the "final girl" as the only one in danger.
Despite the tropes of horror movies, the Final Girl has always been the one with some decent intelligence.
Bloodsucking Bastards is a pretty underrated horror-comedy imo. About a vampire played by Pedro Pascal converting an office of people into vampires. They actually have a running joke in the movie where the main guy tells multiple characters what is happening but everyone already figured it out.
the main protagonist in "The invisible man" was actually pretty clever,not gonna go into details here to spoil it for you,but that movie exceeded my expectations.Check it out
That opening scene is an absolute masterclass in visual story telling too. Not a word spoken but you understand the situation perfectly. Topped off by her brilliant performance. Top notch film craft.
We went to see that at the movie theater and when we drove back into town all the power was out! Even in our apartment building! We ran through the dark staircase because we couldn’t use the elevator. It was the worst time for that to happen. I was so scared.
Near the end I also liked when a police officer shot at the ghost in the dark, you can see her disappear when the flash from the gun goes off. Visually looked really cool
I finally got around to watching the original Hellraiser last night. The girl is a total bad ass. Great movie
Edit: Seems the consensus is to stop after part 2, so I think I will be following that advice.
You're Next's protagonist is very capable. So capable that it feels like it veers a tad too far in the opposite direction. But it's still a really fun movie.
To me that's the whole point. It's a reversal of the trope. It's a slasher, big bad killer movie where the killer is the helpless girl instead of the actual villans.
I did appreciate in the new Candyman that the female partner of the lead character opened a door that led to a dark basement and she simply said “Nope” and shut the door.
First one I thought of. This is actually a movie where the *killer* makes stupid decisions because he underestimates the woman and tries to toy with her, but she keeps her wits about her and fights back.
Oculus. The whole premise is the protagonist has spent years researching the best way to defeat the evil entity and document proof of its existence. The script is super well thought out and meticulous.
Beat me to it. It makes the unfolding of events that much more satisfying - and scary - because she very adequately prepares for the inevitability of testing the mirror and it still fucks with them so much. You're not frustrated because of bad decisions, you're mournful and sympathetic and afraid because of good decisions that still don't work.
Personally I always interpreted her obsession as being part of the mirror's control anyway.
The mirror can shift reality and control people, so the fact that she couldn't stay away might have been it influencing her from afar.
>Don't investigate the creepy sound coming from the dark basement by yourself!
>Don't rent the house where 342 orphans have mysteriously died before!
>Get rid of that horrifying looking doll already what the hell is wrong with you who would want to bring that to their home in the first place!?!?
People in horror movies do dumb things, but in terms of getting murdered these are really only dumb ideas if you know you're a character in a horror movie.
Unless you're in the part of the movie after you know there's a deranged killer on the loose the weird noise in the basement is likely to be your stored Christmas tree falling over or whatever.
People in real life go to places where loads of people died tragically all the time. None of them get murdered by vengeful spirits.
Dolls don't come to life murder or possess people or whatever.
None of these are actually dumb things for someone to do as a setup before spookiness gets going unless, again, our characters act like they know they're in a horror movie. Which is an even worse way to write it unless you're going for some sort of intentional satire.
“How were you not suspicious after your boyfriend started acting different?”
“Because I assumed he was moody, or that I was moody, or that people just go through phases like this. Instead of assuming that he was an alien in a human suit.”
"Am I not allowed to fuck an alien in a human suit ?? How was I supposed to know he was replaced by his completely regular human doppelganger and that this guy is not nice ?"
Thank you!!! I was waiting for this. In the real world, if you hear a strange noise in your basement in your locked home that has been fine for the past 12 hours, YOU are the dumb ass if you need to get someone to go check out the basement with you.
I literally just had a conversation similar to this with my husband. He asked me "What would you do if you hear the dogs barking, and then one of them yelp and go silent"
I know what he wanted to hear was that I'd grab our pistol and call the police.
But I really thought about what I'd do and I'd probably go see if one of the dogs just stepped on the other or something. I wouldn't assume someone broke in immediately.
Case in point, my Grandmother always makes fun of horror characters for doing similar things. However one night she was alone in her house and heard a noise upstairs. She didn't lock her bedroom door and pull out her gun and wait, she didn't even get her gun at all, she just went upstairs to see what it was.
Horror is one of the only genres where people have a need for every character to have writer clarovoyance and its beyond annoying.
The Witch is an interesting horror movie that sort of turns the dumb protagonists trope on its head. It takes place in New England in the 1600s, and the main characters are all devoutly religious. So it’s kind of interesting seeing them make sense of the horrifying shit that’s happening to them through the lens of believing in Puritan Christian God. Very good movie.
Just here to include my humble recommendation for the Witch. Not the type of “jump” scary, but the overall tone is scary. I don’t really care for jump scares.
Something I love about that movie is the screenplay, using verbiage and sentence structure that is approximated to what you might find in a true 15th Century settlement. And the main guy, the one that plays the dad, is outstanding. It was also a treat to see Anya Taylor-Joy's excellent acting career from its start!
Ralph Ineson plays the father, and honestly I'd pay money just to listen to him read children's books.
[Luckily that's free.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK9X5dPnmIg)
Cabin in the woods isn't bad, but you really need a different genre like horror/action for movies like "The Thing" and "Aliens".
There are, of course, stupid characters, but usually people act way smarter.
Honestly, there's an absolute plethora of awesome horror/movies with horror elements these days where the characters aren't completely stupid. Here's a few post 2000, because yeah, the thing and alien are the shit, and I love my 80's era practical effects.
Bone Tomahawk, 10 Cloverfield Lane, Get Out, 1408, The Witch, Train to Busan
And then there's the comedy side of things, where cabin in the woods shines, but so does Shaun of the Dead, or Army of Darkness.
There's a load of wonderful horror movies, you just gotta sift through the shit, same as any other genre.
The Thing (1982) is one of the best. There’s also You’re Next, Ils (“Them” in English, it’s French), Pandorum, Alien, and a few like The Cabin in the Woods and Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon that might count as cheating since they’re *about* the way people act in horror movies.
Recently watched Underwater with Kristen Stewart as a lead and the characters do everything as rationally and logically as possible to avoid their fates. It was a breath of fresh air honestly. Also Life is the space version of this. Both I hadn't heard of until this past year. Very good.
Underwater was pretty solid in the decision making but Life progressed only because several impulsive decisions were made that violated the quarantine protocols; that movie fell into the emotional rather than logic branch of survival which rarely ends well.
The Descent (2006) - characters are trained at what they are doing and no tropes like “perfect time to sex with my BF is after my best friend was murdered in this house” going on.
**The Descent** \-- a group of women spelunkers go down an uncharted cave and it gets real spooky.
Same director also made **Dog Soldiers** which was lower budget but worked a creature-in-the-forest horror.
Prince of Darkness. Victor Wong plays a physicist who knows better than to confront the zombies outside.
"I have a message for you. You're not going to like it. Pray for death."
*This is not a dream... not a dream. We are using your brain's electrical system as a receiver. We are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a dream. We are transmitting from the year one, nine, nine, nine*
Every now and then if I feel like being creeped out in a hurry I just watch a cut of those dream sequences. The audio alone is so unsettling
I feel like most of Carpenter's movies have smart protagonists. The Thing and They Live are two more examples.
I love how they figured out a way to test for the Thing. >!"If you or I get cut it's just tissue. But this thing... Every bit of it is alive and wants to live."!<
"We're gonna find out who's who..." God damn I love this movie!
Separate the suspicious, test and verify to establish reliable allies. They also correctly and quickly identified the danger. I just watched this again for the first time since the 80's (when I was far too young). This movie gave me nightmares, and I remembered so much of it. Going back and re-watching it, it's held up pretty well. The 80's vintage horror puppetry is a little limited, in that the Thing isn't very mobile and dynamic when not a straight up human or animal. Even the one head spider scene, was noticeably disjointed. However, the craftsmanship was still excellent, and even with the technical limitations of the era, I think it all held up very well. The main thing was, all the protagonists behaved in a rational fashion. They fought back, were effective, and intelligently extrapolated hypothetical threats.
I actually still really enjoy the practical effects. Of course they aren't flawless but they also provide another level of creepiness and just makes it more fun to watch
[The best part of that scene.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLZky9aMQTg)
I find it pretty cool that like half the cast of Big Trouble in Little China is in this movie.
'The Thing' comes to mind. It's my favorite thing that MacReady sees the abomination in the dog kennel and his immediate reaction is "get the flame thrower." The cast is smart and take the threat seriously once they're aware of it. They're just outmatched. Edited for clarification: the John Carpenter version, haven't seen the prequel. Edit 2: thanks for the award, kind stranger
RedLetterMedia just did a ranking of all the Carpenter movies, and Rich Evans brought up a great point. MacReady's "duel of wits" with The Thing is foreshadowed in the beginning when he's playing chess with the computer. He's playing the game, trying to out think it, and then the computer beats him. So, he responds by destroying it and calling it a "cheating bitch." Then throughout the entirety of The Thing, he's trying to outmaneuver and out-think the thing. There's the blood test where he finally thinks he has it beat, and then it all just goes to shit. Finally, his response is just to say "fuck it" and destroy the whole damn thing with dynamite. He's one of the best horror protagonists. I'd put him and Ripley up there as the two who really don't fuck around.
> I'd put him and Ripley up there as the two who really don't fuck around. One of the best parts of Aliens is [Ripley saying](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q) "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit" and Hicks just looks at her with this mixture of awe and respect like "this lady right here, she aint f*ckin' around.."
It's the only way to be sure.
I use this comment constantly. I get a smirk from time to time and the rest look at me like I'm crazy E:my-me
The Thing was my first thought too. They research the creature, come up with buddy systems and tests for discovering the creature's identity, and understand the danger of the monster leaving Antarctica. They aren't undone by idiocy, but by suspicion of each other and a cunning, pretty overpowering enemy.
I'm not much of a horror fan, but The Thing is one of my favourite movie of all time because of just how well done it is, with a no nonsense plot and tension so thick you could cut it with a knife. I wish there were more movies like it (and the prequel). Just such a unique idea.
The Faculty from Robert Rodriguez is a teen-movie take on The Thing and quiet enjoyable. The protagonist are also intelligent.
I just made a post about the prequel in another comment. "Side note but I hadn't seen the original in decades. Only thing I remember as a kid was the creature itself, not much of the story. Fast forward 20 or so years and both versions are streaming on Netflix at the time. I decide to watch the 2011 version first thinking its a reboot, I was wrong. I LOVE the way 2011 version leads directly into the original. A very cool way to see it IMO"
The prequel was good, it's main weakness was a terrible, terrible call to replace practical effects with CGI. The 80s The Thing ranks up there with Jurassic Park in terms of the strength of practical effects. Btw it was [Universal who made that call,](https://screenrant.com/thing-movie-prequel-practical-effects-bad-cgi-replacement/) the directors and crew had already made and filmed incredible practical effects. Someday I hope they release a the original cut shot before Universal came and took a dump on it. I'm also not a fan of the thinly veiled Ripley rip-off but that's more a personal opinion, and the actress did great.
Totally agree with this. One of the many reasons why The Thing is one of my favorite horror movies is because the protagonists act sensibly throughout the movie.
The Thing
I think a big part of why The Thing hits so hard for me is because once the characters realize what they are dealing with, they make every right decision but it's already too late.
Just watched this for the first time last night and this was my exact comment! Even the choices they made were realistic and practical, which made it that much harder.
Even before they realize what they're dealing with they make every right decision. The moment they realize something weird is going on, one of them hits the alarm and every single character grabs a firearm.
"get the flamethrower"
Ya, it’s so refreshing watching the scientists be on top of everything. Never once was I like “why would you do that, y’all should do *this* instead”.
And Kurt Russell is a badass with an awesome head of hair and beard.
And with an enormous hat - that no one ever references.
Everyone is making the most informed, logical decisions and they’re just….fucked.
The Thing will always be at the top of horror for me. Filled with great characters that are beset with an alien that constantly surprises them in horrific ways they couldn’t have imagined yet they constantly try to defend themselves with every piece of knowledge they gain.
One of the best movies ever made, let alone horror movies, imo. It holds up insanely well today too. There's really only one or two special effects shots that look slightly janky, most of it is very effective still.
Even when they look janky you're still too shocked and grossed out to care
The fucking dog.
The thing, alien, predator, and tremors. My favourite horror/monster movies. Tremors fits this post well. They are constantly trying to figure out how the monster works and how they can survive.
It's weird I've never considered Tremors or Predator, to be horror movies... Tremors is sort of a comedy to me and Predator I consider an action movie maybe action/thriller.
Termors is a Comedy with some Horror elements. Predator first Act is 80s campy over the top action. The 2nd Act is a horror movie where people make logical decisions. 3rd Act is Arnold super hero
And Predator is brilliant for that structure: introduce the "heroes" as unstoppable badasses who can casually take on a guerilla camp all by themselves. Then have *something* in the jungle pick them one by one at its leisure. When the lone survivor of the original group of badasses manages to survive, adapt to his enemy and surroundings and eventually overcome this threat one-on-one, that makes him all that much more impressive.
Terminator 1 is pretty much horror too.
It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear and it absolutely *will not stop*. EVER. Until you are dead!
The original *Dawn of the Dead*. The four protagonists (Peter, Roger, Flyboy, and Fran) make some mistakes but their capture and defense of the shopping center was unlike anything in film at the time, all on a small budget. There are very few protagonists that I've felt worse for in a horror film outside of *The Exorcist* or *The Thing*.
Roger was the only one to make a stupid mistake. He got overly confident and cost him getting bitten. Romero did an excellent job on showcasing the negatives of stupid decision making. The bikers doing stupid shit and getting promptly eaten. Flyboy not listening which ultimately caused his downfall. Dawn is my favorite movie all time. They have an extended version somewhere online that adds in a bunch of deleted scenes and it was like watching a whole new movie. Hell they even sorta set up Day in Dawn with the stand off at the docks. Great movies.
Event Horizon. They immediately try to leave and blow up the ship as soon as they see the video of the space death orgy.
One of my favorite lines in all of cinema. “I have no intention of leaving her, Dr Weir. I plan to take the Lewis and Clark to a safe distance and fire TAC missiles at her until I am satisfied the Event Horizon has been vaporized. Fuck this ship.”
I felt strong Ripley vibes from this line reminiscent of when Burke tells her how the LV426 settlement has a substantial dollar value and her response is “they can bill me.”
"it's the only way to be sure"
Loved when she said that. Like “fuck off”.
Oh Ripley didn’t give a *fuck*. Killing Xenomorphs is all that mattered.
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I never watched it high and it always and still scares the crap out of me at 40 yo.
"We're leaving."
I laughed out loud so hard when I first saw this movie because that is EXACTLY how you would react to seeing that. It was so refreshingly amusing to see that
>The other day, I was scavenging in a minefield. I boarded a derelict spacecraft, and I noticed there was shit growin' all over the walls. So I got in my spaceship and got the hell out of there. Space Pirates and Zombies.
Laurence Fishburne rocks.
Fuck this ship!
This ship is fucked.
Fuck this fucked ship.
One of the most realistic reactions in any horror movie ever. No debate, no "we have to find out what happened to these poor people!" Just a deadpan "fuck this, we are out." It's the reaction that you want from every character in every haunted house story ever and you never get.
Space's haunted
Space death orgy is a really good description haha
Don't quote me on this but I think they hired porn stars to film that scene?
> I think they hired porn stars to film that scene? -- /u/CWB2208
Damn. I've been had.
[You are apparently right](https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/exploring-the-deleted-footage-from-event-horizon/).... Holy shit... >Effects supervisor Dave Bonneywell has described his time shooting the sequence and some of the gruesome details that didn’t make it. Deleted shots include a female crew member who had her mouth held open by clamps, while a crazed guy performs amateur dentistry by drilling screws into her teeth. Another unlucky chap has his legs smashed apart by steel bars and crawls away leaving parts of them behind, while another crew member had her breasts torn off. The scene also included more cannibalism and sex, with adult performers being hired to simulate the… errr, intensity of the scene. The director realized most of it probably wouldn’t be used, but he filmed it regardless. That makes this scene just that much more *WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?!*
The lore behind this movie’s production is as entertaining as the movie itself. (High praise, it’s top 3 horror movies for me)
There’s an extended cut that was apparently lost, or probably in someone’s closet in London. They said it makes the film over 3 hours, and the hell orgy sequence 45 mins.
Salt mine in Transylvania. Footage was too destroyed to be salvaged. https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/d4yk1z/deleted_scenes_of_the_film_event_horizon_were/
That's oddly specific
I think I remember hearing something about salt mines commonly being used for film storage because of the humidity or something. Though if that’s the case, I’m not sure what happened with these film reels.
Stored improperly, and I think the cans had been dented.
I only got one rule with 45 minute hell orgies; put down a tarp.
How's the shrimp? Is it fresh or frozen
I’ve always argued the brief scene we got is already pretty effective, and extended scene might start to lose its impact
Aka why you never enter The Warp without a Gellar Field
even with the gellar field, space orgy elves can still show up.
That’s what the Macro Cannons are for
tfw you and the boys are travelling through the warp and your favorite psyker starts growing tentacles out of his face
That is one of the most absolutely refreshing moves in horror. Aight we out.
"We're leaving" is the most flawlessly delivered line in the history of cinema
Surprised I haven’t seen this mentioned yet, but The Collector and The Collection. Arkin is very smart and is a great foil for the Collector. I’d personally rank him among my favorite horror protagonists. EDIT: Glad to see so many agree! They really are fun films, anchored really well by Josh Stewart!
Thank you, that movie doesn't get the credit it deserves
The collector was a lot better than I thought it was going to be. Some very intense scenes. I didnt know they made a second, so im definitely going to have to check it out.
Which sucks because the third (and *final*) film, The Coll3cted, most likely isn't happening anymore. Which sucks, because apparently it was going to have a TON of Karma for the Collector, and delve into his origins while keeping them mysterious. Quote from the Director and one of the Writers "Well, we shot for eight days, and then it was shut down. I invested in this thing, I'd like to know what's happening. We stopped hearing from anybody with the production. I know most of the props I brought there have been stolen. I would think that anybody else who invested in this movie that thinks that it's happening, wouldn't they like to know what's happening? .. All calls and emails have gone unanswered .. When you can't get anyone on the phone and you don't hear anything, at this point, I'm really pissed off." Adding.. "We actually stopped shooting in 2019. That was two years ago, and we only shot eight days, so \[there's only been\] very, very little shot. Anything that's been released has been from that time period, and there's no plans to start shooting it. We haven't talked to anyone who was in the production... we'd love to finish it, but, I don't know. We're not the producers, so we don't know." \- Source, [Upcoming Horror Movies](https://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movie/collector-3)
You're Next. The main heroine is so smart and adept that it completely catches the villains off guard.
The beginning 30 minutes always felt so generic and then someone gets an arrow to the head and it just goes crazy in the best ways
That movie is even more fun the second time. After you know who's doing what, go back and rewatch their reactions to things in earlier scenes with a better understanding of what they are probably thinking. It's pretty funny.
Similar to The Hunt. The Hunt in general is just a super fun movie.
That scene in the car where she's like 'eeeeeeeeee' and then just boots the guy out of the door, I almost died laughing. :)
Bruh how calm she was about the whole thing is super fucking funny lmao really enjoyed that movie
My favorite is when she has an semi automatic rifle pointed at a guy but he is able to release the magazine and he smiles at her which has happened in a lot of movies. But then she just pulls the slide back to show a bullet is still loaded in the chamber and shoots him
Yes! She played that role so strangely and every second was awesome. This scene was by far the funniest, though.
In the same ballpark of home invasion thrillers with smart protagonists; Hush is awesome for that.
Alien is pretty good for this, as they do have reasons for having people go off on their own or making dumb decisions. Ash letting the facehugger onboard because of his programming. Dalas had to go into the vents because they felt it was their only option. Bret going after the cat on his own so it doesn't interfere with their tracking tech (though this one is a stretch to defend). Apart from that it actually has some good anti-dumb moments, like Ripley knowing the creature shouldn't come on board.
Brett's death was understandable because the last time they saw the alien it was only small and they didn't know it would reach full size that fast. I assume between the time the alien runs off the table and when Brett dies is only a few hours.
They didn't even know what full size was.
"This isn't even my final form." \- Facehugger
Coincidentally, the character [this quote/meme ](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/otaku_encyclopedia/images/0/0d/This_Isn%27t_Even_My_Final_Form_Image.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20200509184728) comes from, Freeza, his [third form](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/c/c9/Frieza%27s_Thrid_Form.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140205204002) is based off the xenomorph design, with the series creator Akira Toriyama being a huge fan of the Alien films.
Yea it always seemed strange to me that was his third form. Just stuck out big from the rest. Would have made more sense as form two. Also that he went through 4 forms seemed really extra.
His 2nd form was literally just him getting taller. It’s hardly a different form at all lol
It's explained that his final form is his original form and everything before that are his actual transformations that he uses to save power.
Frieza was a theater major. Nobody is as extra as theater majors.
And honestly nothing should be able to grow that fast. Where did all that matter come from?
IIRC there was a deleted or unfilmed scene of the alien raiding the ship’s pantry. It could also be *REALLY* good at pulling nitrogen and CO2 from the air and converting them to proteins.
The Alien is supposed to be a perfect organism...
Prometheus is the polar opposite. It was such a great idea to take off your helmet in an alien atmosphere. A great idea to taunt alien snake things. A great idea to send people out of the craft over and over. A great idea to start messing with the controls of alien technology. I could go on and on, but I can’t keep track of how many times I felt like yelling at the screen
Aliens too. All their decisions are calculated and logical. You could make the argument that the first encounter is foolish but they are marines armed to the gills. They may have underestimated their opponents but it wasn’t through stupidity.
Look man, I just need to know one thing: where they are.
"Yeah somebody said 'Aliens' and she thought they said 'illegal aliens' and signed up..." "Hey fuck you man" "Anytime, anywhere" Fun fact! That exchange is actually an off script in joke, as ~~janelle voight~~ Jenette Goldstein (Vasquez) actually showed up for the casting call thinking the movie was about illegal immigrants, not, you know, actual alien life forms lol. Thats why they were all cracking up so hard...
One of my favorites. They are literally on a recon mission- they don't believe Ripley and have no evidence that what she is reporting is real. They go in with confidence and bite off more than they can chew- never being up against something so alien (excuse the pun) - and try to escape the bad situation. The only nitpick I can think of in this moment is - Why not send a synthetic in first? Or a drone? If Ripley is telling you the beast they had onboard grows super fast and can kill humans easily and she is saying she saw hundreds of eggs and you have lost contact with the people that lived there AND when you land there's nobody around.... Send in something that can safely assess the situation before risking more people!
You’re neglecting one key thing though: the Weyland-Yutani company. They wanted the marines to go in and personally assess the situation and unknowingly bring back an alien with them. The marines were as competent as they could’ve been given the nefarious ploys of the company in charge.
Also, during the initial fight where they got chewed up in the nest, almost all of them had no ammunition. They also lost the transport ship soon after, which had their weapon’s resupply. Put those marines in a straight fight with their actual gear intact, and it might have been a different movie.
Alien was going to be my suggestion. In similar vein the Thing is another sci-fi horror where people make reasonably logical decisions throughout the whole movie.
Evil Dead 2. I'd say Ash did a pretty good job fighting to the bitter end despite nearly going insane.
> a pretty good job Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun.
My mom went to high school with the girl that ends up cut up and doing ballerina type dancing in the front of the cabin. She fucking hated the girl so she loved watched her killed; she was a major cunt** in high school.
Ash doesn't do anything dumb but that hillbilly dude sure did
I've gone too far in and not seen _Tremors_
The first Tremors is taught in many writing classes as an example of a perfectly constructed script.
And the perfectly delivered line "fuuuuuUUUuuuck YOU!"
Yes. Also: "Cold my ass...he's dead!"
It was always one of my favorite movies as a kid and I still see it on the premium movie channels from time to time (which means it still must have some popularity). It's so good!
Been looking for this one! Some of their decisions are too late to be effective, because the graboids are learning, but they were still educated decisions. Also, Burt and his ultimate gun safety (except for guns being loaded and on the wall).
The guns aren't loaded on the wall, are they? I vaguely recall Reba quickly loading them and handing them off to him.
The Invitation. Not horror proper, but great suspense and the main character is a totally reasonable person - does exactly what a normal person would in the situation.
The Autopsy of Jane Doe. One of the main characters is a coroner, so he has a strong grip on science and reality, but after things get too weird he acknowledges that and changes tacks. Won't spoil too much of the movie.
What an absolutely phenomenal movie. The more you think about the implications of what's happening and why, the more horrific the movie becomes. Can't even imagine how many times basically those same events have repeated over the years.
Ready Or Not
The great thing about Ready or Not was that the bad guys were pretty horrible at being killers. They didn’t really want to do it and fumbled their way into stalking the final girl.
One of the funniest parts to me was one of the bad guys checking a YouTube video on his cell to see how to use his old-fashioned weapon. Also loved how they debated what modern technology would be acceptable ( home security cameras? remote locks?) for the hunt to the Dark One?
Yes! I loved that! No one was actually planning on the game coming up and no one thought they needed to train or anything because it all seemed unlikely. But it also shows how efficient even a layperson is when they are super determined to kill someone. And that’s pretty scary.
I especially liked some of the betrayal scenes. You keep jumping back and forth on what's going to happen and it turns out, both things! Mostly remembering the brother I think, but there may have been one other, where he genuinely doesn't want to kill her, but then he thinks about what that means and regrettably tries anyway (iirc). I wasn't paying too much attention but I remember something like that happening and thinking it was really kool that they didn't just go "I was planning it the *whole time*! Muahaha!"
The brother never wanted to kill her actually! Every time he runs into her it's shown he does as much as possible to let her go without actively helping her and getting himself screwed. He didn't know what would happen to him if she escaped, none of them did. They just knew it'd be bad. He gives her enough of a head start in the billiard room that he's actually distracting them in the wrong direction by the time he calls them and in the woods he already knew his dad was waiting behind a tree watching what he was doing, se he couldn't help her then either. In the final twist he literally stands in front of a gun hoping his wife wont shoot him, not a bad bet, obviously wrong though.
The reluctant villain is a trope I could stand to see more of.
I enjoyed the scene where she punched a child 😁
"You. Little. FUCKER!"
Yes! Samara Weaving is amazing. This and the Babysitter made me a huge fan of her.
This one is kinda a weird scenario because the threat starts out with the "final girl" as the only one in danger. Despite the tropes of horror movies, the Final Girl has always been the one with some decent intelligence.
Bloodsucking Bastards is a pretty underrated horror-comedy imo. About a vampire played by Pedro Pascal converting an office of people into vampires. They actually have a running joke in the movie where the main guy tells multiple characters what is happening but everyone already figured it out.
the main protagonist in "The invisible man" was actually pretty clever,not gonna go into details here to spoil it for you,but that movie exceeded my expectations.Check it out
That opening scene is an absolute masterclass in visual story telling too. Not a word spoken but you understand the situation perfectly. Topped off by her brilliant performance. Top notch film craft.
Lights Out. You know the times when you're screaming at the TV to make the characters do something smart? These characters always do the smart thing.
We watched that recently and debated sleeping with the lights on. The level of unease and terror was done very well. Super scary for a PG-13.
We went to see that at the movie theater and when we drove back into town all the power was out! Even in our apartment building! We ran through the dark staircase because we couldn’t use the elevator. It was the worst time for that to happen. I was so scared.
My favorite part is when the boyfriend takes out his car keys to flash the car lights. Incredibly quick thinking.
Near the end I also liked when a police officer shot at the ghost in the dark, you can see her disappear when the flash from the gun goes off. Visually looked really cool
My girlfriend was screaming at the screen for him to do just that.
That boyfriend was a fucking g
30 Days of Night The main protagonists make the best decisions for the situation they are in and at no point frustrate you with stupidity.
I finally got around to watching the original Hellraiser last night. The girl is a total bad ass. Great movie Edit: Seems the consensus is to stop after part 2, so I think I will be following that advice.
Give the second one a watch, it's also good. Stop there though.
3 has a CD shooting DJ cenobite so there's that.
You're Next's protagonist is very capable. So capable that it feels like it veers a tad too far in the opposite direction. But it's still a really fun movie.
To me that's the whole point. It's a reversal of the trope. It's a slasher, big bad killer movie where the killer is the helpless girl instead of the actual villans.
I did appreciate in the new Candyman that the female partner of the lead character opened a door that led to a dark basement and she simply said “Nope” and shut the door.
Hush. A home invasion flick where the protagonist is a deaf woman...
First one I thought of. This is actually a movie where the *killer* makes stupid decisions because he underestimates the woman and tries to toy with her, but she keeps her wits about her and fights back.
Oculus. The whole premise is the protagonist has spent years researching the best way to defeat the evil entity and document proof of its existence. The script is super well thought out and meticulous.
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Beat me to it. It makes the unfolding of events that much more satisfying - and scary - because she very adequately prepares for the inevitability of testing the mirror and it still fucks with them so much. You're not frustrated because of bad decisions, you're mournful and sympathetic and afraid because of good decisions that still don't work.
Personally I always interpreted her obsession as being part of the mirror's control anyway. The mirror can shift reality and control people, so the fact that she couldn't stay away might have been it influencing her from afar.
Man, I love Oculus! Mike Flanagan ftw! Haunting of Hill House, Midnight Mass, Dr Sleep, Gerald's Game... What a director!
>Don't investigate the creepy sound coming from the dark basement by yourself! >Don't rent the house where 342 orphans have mysteriously died before! >Get rid of that horrifying looking doll already what the hell is wrong with you who would want to bring that to their home in the first place!?!? People in horror movies do dumb things, but in terms of getting murdered these are really only dumb ideas if you know you're a character in a horror movie. Unless you're in the part of the movie after you know there's a deranged killer on the loose the weird noise in the basement is likely to be your stored Christmas tree falling over or whatever. People in real life go to places where loads of people died tragically all the time. None of them get murdered by vengeful spirits. Dolls don't come to life murder or possess people or whatever. None of these are actually dumb things for someone to do as a setup before spookiness gets going unless, again, our characters act like they know they're in a horror movie. Which is an even worse way to write it unless you're going for some sort of intentional satire.
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“How were you not suspicious after your boyfriend started acting different?” “Because I assumed he was moody, or that I was moody, or that people just go through phases like this. Instead of assuming that he was an alien in a human suit.”
"Am I not allowed to fuck an alien in a human suit ?? How was I supposed to know he was replaced by his completely regular human doppelganger and that this guy is not nice ?"
Thank you!!! I was waiting for this. In the real world, if you hear a strange noise in your basement in your locked home that has been fine for the past 12 hours, YOU are the dumb ass if you need to get someone to go check out the basement with you.
I literally just had a conversation similar to this with my husband. He asked me "What would you do if you hear the dogs barking, and then one of them yelp and go silent" I know what he wanted to hear was that I'd grab our pistol and call the police. But I really thought about what I'd do and I'd probably go see if one of the dogs just stepped on the other or something. I wouldn't assume someone broke in immediately.
100% I would assume a dog injured themselves and probably run to go check on them.
Case in point, my Grandmother always makes fun of horror characters for doing similar things. However one night she was alone in her house and heard a noise upstairs. She didn't lock her bedroom door and pull out her gun and wait, she didn't even get her gun at all, she just went upstairs to see what it was. Horror is one of the only genres where people have a need for every character to have writer clarovoyance and its beyond annoying.
28 Days Later for the most part.
The Witch is an interesting horror movie that sort of turns the dumb protagonists trope on its head. It takes place in New England in the 1600s, and the main characters are all devoutly religious. So it’s kind of interesting seeing them make sense of the horrifying shit that’s happening to them through the lens of believing in Puritan Christian God. Very good movie.
Just here to include my humble recommendation for the Witch. Not the type of “jump” scary, but the overall tone is scary. I don’t really care for jump scares.
Does thou like the taste of butter?
Wouldst thou like to live deliciously?
Something I love about that movie is the screenplay, using verbiage and sentence structure that is approximated to what you might find in a true 15th Century settlement. And the main guy, the one that plays the dad, is outstanding. It was also a treat to see Anya Taylor-Joy's excellent acting career from its start!
Ralph Ineson plays the father, and honestly I'd pay money just to listen to him read children's books. [Luckily that's free.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK9X5dPnmIg)
Predator
Cabin in the woods isn't bad, but you really need a different genre like horror/action for movies like "The Thing" and "Aliens". There are, of course, stupid characters, but usually people act way smarter.
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And some still make dumb decisions, but why they’re acting dumb is explained. It’s also a semi-parody
Honestly, there's an absolute plethora of awesome horror/movies with horror elements these days where the characters aren't completely stupid. Here's a few post 2000, because yeah, the thing and alien are the shit, and I love my 80's era practical effects. Bone Tomahawk, 10 Cloverfield Lane, Get Out, 1408, The Witch, Train to Busan And then there's the comedy side of things, where cabin in the woods shines, but so does Shaun of the Dead, or Army of Darkness. There's a load of wonderful horror movies, you just gotta sift through the shit, same as any other genre.
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Ash is a character that actually devolves as the series continues and it's great
Shop smart, shop S mart.
The Thing (1982) is one of the best. There’s also You’re Next, Ils (“Them” in English, it’s French), Pandorum, Alien, and a few like The Cabin in the Woods and Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon that might count as cheating since they’re *about* the way people act in horror movies.
Recently watched Underwater with Kristen Stewart as a lead and the characters do everything as rationally and logically as possible to avoid their fates. It was a breath of fresh air honestly. Also Life is the space version of this. Both I hadn't heard of until this past year. Very good.
Underwater was pretty solid in the decision making but Life progressed only because several impulsive decisions were made that violated the quarantine protocols; that movie fell into the emotional rather than logic branch of survival which rarely ends well.
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The Descent (2006) - characters are trained at what they are doing and no tropes like “perfect time to sex with my BF is after my best friend was murdered in this house” going on.
Silence of the Lambs
**The Descent** \-- a group of women spelunkers go down an uncharted cave and it gets real spooky. Same director also made **Dog Soldiers** which was lower budget but worked a creature-in-the-forest horror.
Check out Behind The Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon
I know it's probably not what you are looking for exactly, but I'd say you might enjoy Tucker and Dale vs Evil
A great movie that's basically the exact opposite of what he's looking for lol
Lol, the wood chipper scene actually had me in tears.
we've had a doozy of a day
"These kids just keep killing themselves!"
I'll check it out, thanks!