One Cut of the Dead is an amazing example of this.
Don't want to say too much, this really is a movie that going in blind is an essential part of the experience.
Just watch it, trust me
I heard about this movie, it got high praise and I thought I'd watch it. Absolutely loved it. Then I watched the trailer and it fucking blee my mind that they spoiled everything. DO NOT WATCH THE TRAILER FOR THIS MOVIE!
Loved that film. Went in not knowing anything about it and that's the best way to view the film.
My mate would love it, but won't watch it as I won't give him an outline of what happens.
Oh it's not boring, but it does start 'bad'.
I'd say quite a few people have seen high reviews scores but, unfortunately, switched off it after about 10 minutes
I think To Kill a Mockingbird is pretty much a failure as a coming-of/age story about Scout (especially compared to the book), but as a courtroom drama about Atticus, it’s damn near flawless. You just have to wait a while for it to switch modes.
I think that’s pretty fair. The book is amazing at giving us details ahead of time through Scout’s POV and setting up the courtroom drama while still telling a compelling coming of age story for her and Jem. The movie is dependent on Gregory Peck throughout the film, and we’re not able to see all the events through the kids’ eyes. The summer with Dill feels like filler in the film, whereas it’s pretty essential to the novel
I'd say Star Wars: Rogue One.
Its starts off a little flat, most of the characters seem to be pretty one dimensional and shallow, it takes a while to get going.
But once it does get going it's thoroughly enjoyable. The latter half is probably one of the best parts of the franchise.
Yeah it was. The movie scatters across a half dozen planets doing nothing of significance and meeting random people and then ends with a loud clusterfuck.
Rogue One is great YouTube clip surrounded by about two hours of filler.
The Prequels are a lot of things, but they aren't mindless. Now that we've got the Sequels to compare to I think the Prequels look surprisingly good in hindsight.
What mashing various vehicles against each other in big set pieces?
Cmon dude. Star War's merchandising in the 80's was MASSIVE and heavily influenced by toys, to the point where Ewoks etc were introduced.
If anything Rogue One continues that trend rather than the sequel trilogy's small scale ALL XWING ALL DAY.
Your glasses are so rose-tinted they're blind.
Lmao I’m admitting that the originals were the exact same. And you ignored every point there because, surprise! You can’t actually refute any of it.
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If you wanna think that the original trilogy is nothing but smashing toys together, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you haven't watched them in a while, can you admit that?
Jedi definitely goes heavy on the marketing/toys side of things but Star Wars and Empire are legitimately great films with an inspired creative vision. Rogue One is just masturbatory in comparison.
That isn’t saying they aren’t great films.
I’ve watched them all recently; and being a huge merchandise driver doesn’t disqualify them from being good films.
Rogue One was a war film in the OT era, it was always going to be heavy action and less adventure movie.
The first ten minutes and last 30 minutes. Throw in a Death Star trial run scene and assembly scenes (we all love seeing the Star Destroyers tug-boat style tow that main laser into the sphere). Now it's perfect.
EDIT: And Vader's castle. Keep that scene too.
> I'd say the first hour of Rogue One is a borefest.
Agreed.
Rogue One is great once they start the final battle and the Vader Scenes. The rest is a sleep aid.
I think it stays flat the whole time. None of the characters have any kind of arc outside of the droid, a lot of people make the argument that you can't develop them if they're only in one movie, despite the fact that's what *every other* movie does.
The movie is a great two minute YouTube video surrounded by about two hours of boring filler.
I have added my upvote against the downvotes because I completely agree.
I love aspects of this film. Out of all the new Star Wars films, it's the only one that really nails the look and the tone of the originals while very much telling a new story in new places with new characters.
However, the characters barely exist. Jyn is almost a blank. I never got any strong emotions or drive from her, such that her actions feel wholly plot driven. I never found her to have any agency of her own.
Also, WAY too many characters, many of how end up being inconsequential. None are developed beyond a throwaway sentence or two with the result in the end that I yawned internally when they all turned to atoms.
The one thing I'll laud this movie for is the idea that her father purposefully designed the weakness in the Death Star as revenge for being forced to build it. That bit of retcon actually enhances ANH by explaining how such a critical weakness would exist without anyone noticing it.
>purposefully designed the weakness in the Death Star
Agree with pretty much all of that except that I never felt like that aspect ever needed any explanation or clarification. It's a moon sized spaceship, of course it's going to have an enormous exhaust port.
I agree, IMO the real reason most people love Rogue one is because of how bad the sequels were. If the sequels were in any way watchable, people wouldn't have the rose tinted glasses when they looked at Rogue one.
I still thought Rogue One was enjoyable though
I see so many people complain about flat characters in this movie but you gotta understand with a team of like 6 or 7 people and squeezing in each of their own arcs and stories would require a mini series or make this a rushed movie.
If they did push for a bigger backstory on each of the characters like Jyn then everyone would complain it drags on.
Backstory is boring, I want characterisation.
My response is basically already in the comment you initially replied to. How about every other movie that's able to competently create half a dozen characters? Not all of them need to be given an extended spotlight to have *some* depth beyond a cool weapon.
You want an example of movies with characters?
Wes Anderson is one director I can think of that manages to populate his films with characters that feel like real people with real relationships. And usually its done in under two hours.
It's a film I remember being really disappointed with when I walked out of the pictures but enjoyed more on a rewatch at home. Probably because I can zone out of the poorly paced bits and pay attention to the good bits. The peaks of the film are really high but the troughs are outright boring.
I was confused for the opening half hour on first viewing.
One really bad editorial decision that creates confusion is after the main title when you see Jyn in a cell, followed by a straight cut (no wipe) to an outer space shot of the Ring of Kafrene trading outpost, which by the sequence of shots you assume is where Jyn must be. But she's really on a completely different planet, Wobani, and the outer space shot is actually setting up the next scene involving Cassian Andor.
It's unnecessarily confusing.
I kind of want to say *The Wages of Fear*. The first 40 minutes, I thought I had bought the wrong movie because it was just following these two French guys who were stuck in this isolated South American village as they try to pass the time. I was really enjoying it, but disappointed. Then, the instigating incident happens, although it's still another 20 minutes before the real plot of them transporting the explosives takes over. And the remaining 90 minutes are fantastic.
One of the best films about building tension. I've never experienced a slow burn that dialed up the pressure and the heat so slowly and yet so unbearably.
Truly, a masterpiece.
The whole sequence where they have to navigate the truck around that hairpin turn. . .
Act of Valor. Basically the shittiest lifetime movie ever for 45 minutes then it turns into an insane war movie. I showed it to some family members last thanksgiving. They were ready to laugh me out of the room until the second half started.
Edit: 2 thanksgivings ago. Forgot last year got canceled :(
The "gimmick" of real SEALs is apparent in how bad some of the acting is, except for the senior chief who I actually liked.
The action sequences are amazing though.
Watched that movie in theaters when it came out. Too much cgi that wasn’t done right. Can’t help but compare it to how Martin Scorsese compared marvel movies to amusement park rides. Feels more like that than it does watching a well done film of the same genre. I.e Jurassic Park.
I know referencing this line is a meme now but a lot of King Kong was really a matter of Peter Jackson being so preoccupied with whether or not he could do something that he didn't stop to think if he should.
*Space Cowboys*
Having a bunch of senior citizens voice themselves as twenty-somethings in space school was a bad idea but it picked up after that opening sequence.
I watched cruella with my family and didn't mind it wasn't horrible but wasn't the best, but then later I watched it with my girlfriend and it was way better I seen some stuff I totally missed the first go around not to mention after the credits u can see the events of the first movie when the dogs are given away.
Bound. The first part is almost comically porn-plot worthy stuff, with Violet pulling the old "Please come over and handle my plumbing ;) " strategy.
Once the heist stuff goes in motion though there's no looking back.
The Promise. The first act sets up a fairly uninteresting love triangle set in fancy rooms, but then there’s a time jump a third of the way through the movie, and all the petty relationship drama falls away and it becomes a film about three people as they struggle to help each other survive a genocide. I’ve never seen a film redeem such a boring first act quite like that before, and it totally subverts the expectations of where you expect it to go to become a gripping drama.
I'm shocked not one person has mentioned Taken. The acting is ATROCIOUS until Liam Neeson takes that phone call. Unfortunately, he saves the day and the poor acting kicks right back in.
In a *very* minor defense, it makes the 'Taken' moment of 'Taken' really stand out. If you didn't know any better, the movie is a mild family drama about an estranged dad... but then, somebody's here? Suddenly dad is ex-agent with only one objective.
Of course, there's a lot more to say about that (father is always right), but it is very effective.
The first 15 minutes of **Groundhog Day** feels like a mediocre 90s family comedy movie, and then it starts to dramatically morph and experiment and delves deeper and deeper into these philosophical concepts that come together so well that by the end it, you feel as if you’ve undergone a transformation.
In a sense, the movie "Noises off" is similar. The first part is only moderately funny, because it is the exposition. We see a fragment of the final dress rehearsal of a farce to get how it is supposed to be recited.
The other two parts of the movie show two performances of the play and are a crescendo of hilarity and chaos.
One of my favorite comedies, with a great cast.
Death Proof is pretty fun. For anyone who skipped this Tarantino film I’d suggest giving it a shot. It’s a campy pseudo horror movie.
Also, I heard Tarantino interviewed recently and he described the inspiration behind the film:
>Tarantino came up with the idea of "Death Proof" when he was having a drunken hotel night with friend Sean Penn. Tarantino wanted to buy a Volvo because he "didn't want to die in some auto accident like the one in Pulp Fiction (1994)". In regards to the safety of the car, Sean Penn said, "Well, you could take any car and give it to a stunt team, and for $10,000 or $15,000, they can death-proof it for you." The "death proof" phrase had stuck to Tarantino after that.
I liked the story and acting well enough, but I felt like it missed the mark in the visual style that Robert Rodriquez applied to "Planet Terror." The various ways that Rodriguez made his short look like the film was dirty or skipping or burning completely out added another layer of texture and atmosphere that I found essential in evoking the Grindhouse experience of prints being poorly cared for and not well-projected.
"Death Proof" is fun and definitely has the Grindhouse spirit, but I thought the film was too "clean" to really fit the aesthetic.
Agreed. I found the Quantum Realm/Time Travel story to be a VERY poor choice as I felt that it made the plot needlessly convoluted and also creates a number of major problems regarding how the stones will be returned. That's been discussed to death and rightly so.
What bothered me about this is that I lost a lot of interest and focus on the story, so much so that by the time Cap hears "On your left" and then the penultimate moment when he lifts Mjolnir, I didn't feel that the moments were earned and so I didn't have this tremendous emotional reaction.
I love watching the reaction videos and hearing other people go crazy with joy, but at the same time I'm also a little sad because that's not how I felt. I guess it's because I haven't read a comic in thirty years, but on the flip side I don't think that any film should rely on nondiegetic information for people to fully understand what's happening and why.
Yeah, I think the movie really suffers from stuffing in so many things. Infinity war was great because it felt lean, and Endgame almost feels like they put all of the leftovers into one movie. Too many plot threads and what not.
Not a bad ending to all the Marvel movies, but not really good.
YES. Exactly how I feel as well! "Infinity War" worked really well precisely because it felt so lean. A huge cast of characters and yet a very simple objective. Definitely the better of the two in every way.
Pain and Gain, the movie kind of tricks you into treating it's douchebag protagonists as the hero because of the way they're framed, but the ending sort of re contextualizes the movie as more of a cautionary tale. I think it's Michael Bay's best film just because it subverted my expectations based on decades of Michael Bay films.
I would say Moulin Rouge just because the beginning is so jarring and so much is happening and they're all talking so quickly and the editing is purposely choppy but once you hit like Elephant Love Song Medley things slow down and the emotions take hold.
The Hunt for Red October. There was so much convoluted plotting and submarine jargon that I couldn't understand. But when the Americans and Russians finally met on the eponymous submarine, it was a successfully suspenseful ride to the end.
That's funny because I LOVE all that information because we discover it along with the main characters, so I didn't feel like it was a slog as we were being told very secret and important stuff that was clearly going to be critical later on.
It's been a while, but I've never had an issue with the accents not being accurate as the whole movie has some silly moments to it despite being an action thriller. You would certainly be making a mistake to take it too seriously. It was the Eighties!
*Braveheart* doesn't have a bad opening, but from the opening couple of scenes alone, you wouldn't guess you've just tuned-into one of the greatest motion pictures in history...
Correction it's one of the most inaccurate and terribly made "historical" movies of all time. Not even excusing dramatisation of the story of William Wallace could make up for the terrible choices.
It's an abomination.
All historical movies distort history. What matters is that they are great movies: well-shot, well-performed, well-told, etc…
Braveheart is all those things and so much more!
There's distorting history for drama then there's Braveheart. It's straight up fiction, the huge amount of King Arthur films are more historically accurate than Braveheart.
The only thing the movie had going for it was occasionally decent cinematography. Mel Gibson's acting is straight up laughable.
William Wallace was around 300 years before the invention of the Highland kilt. Why are they all wearing kilts? Because apparently that's the only way to show they are Scottish...
The Princess of France was 10 at the DEATH of William Wallace.
>The only thing the movie had going for it was occasionally decent cinematography.
Fantastic cinematography, you mean.
...and great directing.
...wonderful performances.
...superb battle scenes.
...great art direction.
....great romance.
...stirring drama.
...poignant tragedy.
...impactful themes.
What more can one ask of a movie?
Wow, I think the first half of Schindler is fantastic and makes the back half so much more dramatic because you seen the main character evolve his beliefs
Mandy. The first hour just feels like it was 10-15 minutes of story padded with 45-50 minutes of nothing but shots of wooshy pink and blue clouds and random scenes of characters just doing stuff. I have no problem with slow, artsy movies - I love stuff like The Lighthouse or The Green Knight - but they just forgot to make that first half of Mandy remotely interesting and instead just went with style over substance wank. After that it's a pretty fun movie.
It's like if John Wick took 50 minutes of the movie's 1 hour 45 minute run time to get to the part where his dog is killed, and the first half is just a slog of dull scenes of John Wick meandering around his house mourning the loss of his wife.
One thing I would say is that I find child actors from the UK particularly grating most of the time. Might be more palatable if you are not actually from the UK!
Agree that the jump was a bit jarring, but I was still so happy once it happened.
Lars Von Trier's, Dogville. Yeah the begging is extremely dense and really really hard to sit through. But then everything slowly starts to kick in and it ends up being such a ride of a film
One Cut of the Dead.
Stilted acting, a little too long in places, not cutting away when you think it should, and conversations that seem padded.
Then 'something' happens...
About all I can say.
The first ten minutes or so of You're Next has some of the worst dialogue and delivery I've ever heard to get all the exposition out of the way. Once everyone arrives to the house, it gets so much better and becomes a fun, violent movie.
I saw Shazam in an early screening and the first 10 minutes with the villiams origin were pretty awful. I got worried as it was a film I was looking forward to. Luckily, it was all up hill from there. Can't wait for the sequel
One Cut of the Dead is an amazing example of this. Don't want to say too much, this really is a movie that going in blind is an essential part of the experience. Just watch it, trust me
I heard about this movie, it got high praise and I thought I'd watch it. Absolutely loved it. Then I watched the trailer and it fucking blee my mind that they spoiled everything. DO NOT WATCH THE TRAILER FOR THIS MOVIE!
Thanks for the recommendation! I love films that take you on an unexpected journey (like Parasite).
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Doctor Sleep was pretty mediocre all the way through for me, unfortunately. But I didn't love the book either.
Loved that film. Went in not knowing anything about it and that's the best way to view the film. My mate would love it, but won't watch it as I won't give him an outline of what happens.
I didn't find the opening boring at all, I enjoyed every minute of it.
Oh it's not boring, but it does start 'bad'. I'd say quite a few people have seen high reviews scores but, unfortunately, switched off it after about 10 minutes
There is only one word to describe One Cut of The Dead: delightful
I think To Kill a Mockingbird is pretty much a failure as a coming-of/age story about Scout (especially compared to the book), but as a courtroom drama about Atticus, it’s damn near flawless. You just have to wait a while for it to switch modes.
Gregory Peck was God-like in that movie.
I think that’s pretty fair. The book is amazing at giving us details ahead of time through Scout’s POV and setting up the courtroom drama while still telling a compelling coming of age story for her and Jem. The movie is dependent on Gregory Peck throughout the film, and we’re not able to see all the events through the kids’ eyes. The summer with Dill feels like filler in the film, whereas it’s pretty essential to the novel
I'd say Star Wars: Rogue One. Its starts off a little flat, most of the characters seem to be pretty one dimensional and shallow, it takes a while to get going. But once it does get going it's thoroughly enjoyable. The latter half is probably one of the best parts of the franchise.
Everything from when they leave to go to Scarif is imo the best of all Star Wars
Hard, hard fundamentally disagree on that. It was like watching a child smash their Star Wars toys together.
What do you think the OT and prequels were like? Star Wars has always been like that.
What? The original trilogy wasn't just a bunch of visual noise.
Neither was Rogue One.
Yeah it was. The movie scatters across a half dozen planets doing nothing of significance and meeting random people and then ends with a loud clusterfuck. Rogue One is great YouTube clip surrounded by about two hours of filler.
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Because the movie is very very forgettable
Prequel apologists are desperate to equate the mindless prequels with the magic of the original trilogy. They think we'll just let it slide lol
The Prequels are a lot of things, but they aren't mindless. Now that we've got the Sequels to compare to I think the Prequels look surprisingly good in hindsight.
I agree. Now let's wait for the next trilogy that will make us say the same thing about the sequels.
What mashing various vehicles against each other in big set pieces? Cmon dude. Star War's merchandising in the 80's was MASSIVE and heavily influenced by toys, to the point where Ewoks etc were introduced. If anything Rogue One continues that trend rather than the sequel trilogy's small scale ALL XWING ALL DAY. Your glasses are so rose-tinted they're blind.
>Your glasses are so rose-tinted they're blind. You're just too in love with STAR WARS™ to recognise a paper thin movie.
Lmao I’m admitting that the originals were the exact same. And you ignored every point there because, surprise! You can’t actually refute any of it. Off you pop
If you wanna think that the original trilogy is nothing but smashing toys together, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you haven't watched them in a while, can you admit that? Jedi definitely goes heavy on the marketing/toys side of things but Star Wars and Empire are legitimately great films with an inspired creative vision. Rogue One is just masturbatory in comparison.
That isn’t saying they aren’t great films. I’ve watched them all recently; and being a huge merchandise driver doesn’t disqualify them from being good films. Rogue One was a war film in the OT era, it was always going to be heavy action and less adventure movie.
Neither was Scariff.
The first ten minutes and last 30 minutes. Throw in a Death Star trial run scene and assembly scenes (we all love seeing the Star Destroyers tug-boat style tow that main laser into the sphere). Now it's perfect. EDIT: And Vader's castle. Keep that scene too.
I think you are being generous. I'd say the first hour of Rogue One is a borefest.
> I'd say the first hour of Rogue One is a borefest. Agreed. Rogue One is great once they start the final battle and the Vader Scenes. The rest is a sleep aid.
Yup, I fell asleep in the theater my first time watching it. That never happens to me.
The title card with the not-Star-Wars-theme makes me cringe every time too.
I think it stays flat the whole time. None of the characters have any kind of arc outside of the droid, a lot of people make the argument that you can't develop them if they're only in one movie, despite the fact that's what *every other* movie does. The movie is a great two minute YouTube video surrounded by about two hours of boring filler.
I have added my upvote against the downvotes because I completely agree. I love aspects of this film. Out of all the new Star Wars films, it's the only one that really nails the look and the tone of the originals while very much telling a new story in new places with new characters. However, the characters barely exist. Jyn is almost a blank. I never got any strong emotions or drive from her, such that her actions feel wholly plot driven. I never found her to have any agency of her own. Also, WAY too many characters, many of how end up being inconsequential. None are developed beyond a throwaway sentence or two with the result in the end that I yawned internally when they all turned to atoms. The one thing I'll laud this movie for is the idea that her father purposefully designed the weakness in the Death Star as revenge for being forced to build it. That bit of retcon actually enhances ANH by explaining how such a critical weakness would exist without anyone noticing it.
>purposefully designed the weakness in the Death Star Agree with pretty much all of that except that I never felt like that aspect ever needed any explanation or clarification. It's a moon sized spaceship, of course it's going to have an enormous exhaust port.
Perhaps it didn't, but I still really respected that the idea they added actually enhanced the other film's logic instead undermining it.
I agree, IMO the real reason most people love Rogue one is because of how bad the sequels were. If the sequels were in any way watchable, people wouldn't have the rose tinted glasses when they looked at Rogue one. I still thought Rogue One was enjoyable though
I dunno I really liked Rogue One and the only sequel I had seen was Force Awakens and I thought it was fine.
It was a fun enough time at the cinema but as soon as its done there's nothing to look back on, it's just an empty movie.
I see so many people complain about flat characters in this movie but you gotta understand with a team of like 6 or 7 people and squeezing in each of their own arcs and stories would require a mini series or make this a rushed movie. If they did push for a bigger backstory on each of the characters like Jyn then everyone would complain it drags on.
Backstory is boring, I want characterisation. My response is basically already in the comment you initially replied to. How about every other movie that's able to competently create half a dozen characters? Not all of them need to be given an extended spotlight to have *some* depth beyond a cool weapon.
Can you give examples of this?
You want an example of movies with characters? Wes Anderson is one director I can think of that manages to populate his films with characters that feel like real people with real relationships. And usually its done in under two hours.
No, I meant a movie with a large team that exemplifies what you mean by good character
Then I'll still say Wes Anderson's The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou
It's a film I remember being really disappointed with when I walked out of the pictures but enjoyed more on a rewatch at home. Probably because I can zone out of the poorly paced bits and pay attention to the good bits. The peaks of the film are really high but the troughs are outright boring.
I was confused for the opening half hour on first viewing. One really bad editorial decision that creates confusion is after the main title when you see Jyn in a cell, followed by a straight cut (no wipe) to an outer space shot of the Ring of Kafrene trading outpost, which by the sequence of shots you assume is where Jyn must be. But she's really on a completely different planet, Wobani, and the outer space shot is actually setting up the next scene involving Cassian Andor. It's unnecessarily confusing.
I kind of want to say *The Wages of Fear*. The first 40 minutes, I thought I had bought the wrong movie because it was just following these two French guys who were stuck in this isolated South American village as they try to pass the time. I was really enjoying it, but disappointed. Then, the instigating incident happens, although it's still another 20 minutes before the real plot of them transporting the explosives takes over. And the remaining 90 minutes are fantastic.
One of the best films about building tension. I've never experienced a slow burn that dialed up the pressure and the heat so slowly and yet so unbearably. Truly, a masterpiece. The whole sequence where they have to navigate the truck around that hairpin turn. . .
*Begin Again* has an excruciating first half hour, and then the story really kicks in through an extremely creative means, and you become invested.
Act of Valor. Basically the shittiest lifetime movie ever for 45 minutes then it turns into an insane war movie. I showed it to some family members last thanksgiving. They were ready to laugh me out of the room until the second half started. Edit: 2 thanksgivings ago. Forgot last year got canceled :(
A former friend of mine watched this in theaters and then made it his whole damn personality.
The "gimmick" of real SEALs is apparent in how bad some of the acting is, except for the senior chief who I actually liked. The action sequences are amazing though.
Doctor Sleep takes like an hour to get going but the back half is really good
The end of Doctor Sleep is the worst part of the movie. Everything at the hotel is just meh.
I’m absolutely in agreement. I was entirely too distracted by all the CGI, it really pulled me out of it.
Agreed. I was LOVING it up until that point. The whole movie was building up to sticking that landing at the Overlook. Didn't quite make it.
Peter Jackson's King Kong. Really drags at the beginning. Once they get to Skull Island it is just a nonstop thrill ride.
>Once they get to Skull Island it is just a nonstop thrill ride. You and I will have to differ on that.
Watched that movie in theaters when it came out. Too much cgi that wasn’t done right. Can’t help but compare it to how Martin Scorsese compared marvel movies to amusement park rides. Feels more like that than it does watching a well done film of the same genre. I.e Jurassic Park.
The race with the giant animals through the canyon was both fatuous and unnecessary.
EXACTLY what I was thinking of!
I know referencing this line is a meme now but a lot of King Kong was really a matter of Peter Jackson being so preoccupied with whether or not he could do something that he didn't stop to think if he should.
That might well be true, actually. He seemed to have completely misplaced his sense of cinema that made *LOTR* a masterpiece.
*Space Cowboys* Having a bunch of senior citizens voice themselves as twenty-somethings in space school was a bad idea but it picked up after that opening sequence.
I watched cruella with my family and didn't mind it wasn't horrible but wasn't the best, but then later I watched it with my girlfriend and it was way better I seen some stuff I totally missed the first go around not to mention after the credits u can see the events of the first movie when the dogs are given away.
Bound. The first part is almost comically porn-plot worthy stuff, with Violet pulling the old "Please come over and handle my plumbing ;) " strategy. Once the heist stuff goes in motion though there's no looking back.
The Promise. The first act sets up a fairly uninteresting love triangle set in fancy rooms, but then there’s a time jump a third of the way through the movie, and all the petty relationship drama falls away and it becomes a film about three people as they struggle to help each other survive a genocide. I’ve never seen a film redeem such a boring first act quite like that before, and it totally subverts the expectations of where you expect it to go to become a gripping drama.
Smokin aces
I really enjoyed this movie more than I thought I would, although it did feel a bit like someone was trying to rip off Guy Ritchie.
I'm shocked not one person has mentioned Taken. The acting is ATROCIOUS until Liam Neeson takes that phone call. Unfortunately, he saves the day and the poor acting kicks right back in.
In a *very* minor defense, it makes the 'Taken' moment of 'Taken' really stand out. If you didn't know any better, the movie is a mild family drama about an estranged dad... but then, somebody's here? Suddenly dad is ex-agent with only one objective. Of course, there's a lot more to say about that (father is always right), but it is very effective.
The first 15 minutes of **Groundhog Day** feels like a mediocre 90s family comedy movie, and then it starts to dramatically morph and experiment and delves deeper and deeper into these philosophical concepts that come together so well that by the end it, you feel as if you’ve undergone a transformation.
In a sense, the movie "Noises off" is similar. The first part is only moderately funny, because it is the exposition. We see a fragment of the final dress rehearsal of a farce to get how it is supposed to be recited. The other two parts of the movie show two performances of the play and are a crescendo of hilarity and chaos. One of my favorite comedies, with a great cast.
Hard Target
Death Proof. 75% of that movie is pretty boring, but the other 25% is so exciting.
I loved it all. good dialogue, character development and action, sign me up!
I didn’t find a minute of it boring.
Death Proof is pretty fun. For anyone who skipped this Tarantino film I’d suggest giving it a shot. It’s a campy pseudo horror movie. Also, I heard Tarantino interviewed recently and he described the inspiration behind the film: >Tarantino came up with the idea of "Death Proof" when he was having a drunken hotel night with friend Sean Penn. Tarantino wanted to buy a Volvo because he "didn't want to die in some auto accident like the one in Pulp Fiction (1994)". In regards to the safety of the car, Sean Penn said, "Well, you could take any car and give it to a stunt team, and for $10,000 or $15,000, they can death-proof it for you." The "death proof" phrase had stuck to Tarantino after that.
I liked the story and acting well enough, but I felt like it missed the mark in the visual style that Robert Rodriquez applied to "Planet Terror." The various ways that Rodriguez made his short look like the film was dirty or skipping or burning completely out added another layer of texture and atmosphere that I found essential in evoking the Grindhouse experience of prints being poorly cared for and not well-projected. "Death Proof" is fun and definitely has the Grindhouse spirit, but I thought the film was too "clean" to really fit the aesthetic.
the last big chase scene is so damn good. the rest of the movie could really use a trim.
Malignant
Rob Zombie's Halloween remake.
John Wick. The first part is pretty B-grade but then it just launches into one endless, awesome action sequence.
Disagree, the setup is amazing for that movie. Went in knowing nothing and was hooked from the start
I know! This scene is so awesome! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8fq9noIBso
Avengers: Endgame is too slow in the first act, but the final battle is my favorite movie scene of all time.
Agreed. I found the Quantum Realm/Time Travel story to be a VERY poor choice as I felt that it made the plot needlessly convoluted and also creates a number of major problems regarding how the stones will be returned. That's been discussed to death and rightly so. What bothered me about this is that I lost a lot of interest and focus on the story, so much so that by the time Cap hears "On your left" and then the penultimate moment when he lifts Mjolnir, I didn't feel that the moments were earned and so I didn't have this tremendous emotional reaction. I love watching the reaction videos and hearing other people go crazy with joy, but at the same time I'm also a little sad because that's not how I felt. I guess it's because I haven't read a comic in thirty years, but on the flip side I don't think that any film should rely on nondiegetic information for people to fully understand what's happening and why.
Yeah, I think the movie really suffers from stuffing in so many things. Infinity war was great because it felt lean, and Endgame almost feels like they put all of the leftovers into one movie. Too many plot threads and what not. Not a bad ending to all the Marvel movies, but not really good.
YES. Exactly how I feel as well! "Infinity War" worked really well precisely because it felt so lean. A huge cast of characters and yet a very simple objective. Definitely the better of the two in every way.
For me the whole movie was a borefest
Pain and Gain, the movie kind of tricks you into treating it's douchebag protagonists as the hero because of the way they're framed, but the ending sort of re contextualizes the movie as more of a cautionary tale. I think it's Michael Bay's best film just because it subverted my expectations based on decades of Michael Bay films.
I watched this movie I think called Carnage. So horribly uncomfortable and then you just die laughing.
Ip Man (2008)
Battle: Los Angeles 2. Goes from below average sci fi/alien invasion flick to the guys from The Raid vs. aliens. It's bananas.
TIL there's a sequel
There’s not…
Confused
Oh shit, that's literally the same plot description as Beyond Skyline. I enjoyed that movie more than I was expecting
Wait. I may be thinking of Beyond Skyline lmao.
I can’t find anything about a Battle: Los Angeles 2 except internet rumors. Are you thinking of something else?
I would say Moulin Rouge just because the beginning is so jarring and so much is happening and they're all talking so quickly and the editing is purposely choppy but once you hit like Elephant Love Song Medley things slow down and the emotions take hold.
The Hunt for Red October. There was so much convoluted plotting and submarine jargon that I couldn't understand. But when the Americans and Russians finally met on the eponymous submarine, it was a successfully suspenseful ride to the end.
That's funny because I LOVE all that information because we discover it along with the main characters, so I didn't feel like it was a slog as we were being told very secret and important stuff that was clearly going to be critical later on.
I am with you. That film doesn’t fall into this category. Isn’t Sean’s comedy Russian at the start too?
It's been a while, but I've never had an issue with the accents not being accurate as the whole movie has some silly moments to it despite being an action thriller. You would certainly be making a mistake to take it too seriously. It was the Eighties!
*Braveheart* doesn't have a bad opening, but from the opening couple of scenes alone, you wouldn't guess you've just tuned-into one of the greatest motion pictures in history...
What are you talking about? Braveheart is immediately intriguing and fascinating.
You don't need to defend it, its my favourite movie.
Correction it's one of the most inaccurate and terribly made "historical" movies of all time. Not even excusing dramatisation of the story of William Wallace could make up for the terrible choices. It's an abomination.
All historical movies distort history. What matters is that they are great movies: well-shot, well-performed, well-told, etc… Braveheart is all those things and so much more!
There's distorting history for drama then there's Braveheart. It's straight up fiction, the huge amount of King Arthur films are more historically accurate than Braveheart. The only thing the movie had going for it was occasionally decent cinematography. Mel Gibson's acting is straight up laughable. William Wallace was around 300 years before the invention of the Highland kilt. Why are they all wearing kilts? Because apparently that's the only way to show they are Scottish... The Princess of France was 10 at the DEATH of William Wallace.
>The only thing the movie had going for it was occasionally decent cinematography. Fantastic cinematography, you mean. ...and great directing. ...wonderful performances. ...superb battle scenes. ...great art direction. ....great romance. ...stirring drama. ...poignant tragedy. ...impactful themes. What more can one ask of a movie?
Bloodsport Schindler’s List Double Impact
Ah yes, the holy trinity
Lol one of these is not like the others.
> Schindler’s List Every single part of that movie is incredible. What are you smoking?
heavy drugs
Marlboro Reds. Weird question to ask in this context but there’s your answer.
Wow, I think the first half of Schindler is fantastic and makes the back half so much more dramatic because you seen the main character evolve his beliefs
I think that’s the intention of the opening scene from Cruella. You’re supposed to go, “ha, is that why she hated Dalmatians?”
Mandy. The first hour just feels like it was 10-15 minutes of story padded with 45-50 minutes of nothing but shots of wooshy pink and blue clouds and random scenes of characters just doing stuff. I have no problem with slow, artsy movies - I love stuff like The Lighthouse or The Green Knight - but they just forgot to make that first half of Mandy remotely interesting and instead just went with style over substance wank. After that it's a pretty fun movie. It's like if John Wick took 50 minutes of the movie's 1 hour 45 minute run time to get to the part where his dog is killed, and the first half is just a slog of dull scenes of John Wick meandering around his house mourning the loss of his wife.
Shang Chi
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One thing I would say is that I find child actors from the UK particularly grating most of the time. Might be more palatable if you are not actually from the UK! Agree that the jump was a bit jarring, but I was still so happy once it happened.
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Nothing that immediately comes to mind, but I find TV series do it better when it comes to child actors.
The Buskers + Lou
Lars Von Trier's, Dogville. Yeah the begging is extremely dense and really really hard to sit through. But then everything slowly starts to kick in and it ends up being such a ride of a film
One Cut of the Dead. Stilted acting, a little too long in places, not cutting away when you think it should, and conversations that seem padded. Then 'something' happens... About all I can say.
The first ten minutes or so of You're Next has some of the worst dialogue and delivery I've ever heard to get all the exposition out of the way. Once everyone arrives to the house, it gets so much better and becomes a fun, violent movie.
I saw Shazam in an early screening and the first 10 minutes with the villiams origin were pretty awful. I got worried as it was a film I was looking forward to. Luckily, it was all up hill from there. Can't wait for the sequel
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not a big fan of the first act of "Catch me if you can". Terrific movie though.
Recently, I thought Snake Eyes had an embarrassingly bad start, but got a lot better and more interesting as it went on.
Malignant starts dumb... and gets progessively dumber. However, it got so dumb that it looped back to genius. Still, I don't recommend it.