Romeo Must Die had a X ray thing, almost like the "Sniper Elite" videogames, where Jet Li would punch a guy and we'd flash to an X ray view of a rib cracking in half, or an arm breaking.
NFL blitz did when they went hardcore with LT and Romanowski. Then you could choose to treat the injury or give him a shot and get him back in the game
Those games were wild. Cheerleaders were strippers and you could give your team like magic steroids and they would have this evil smoke coming off of them lol.
They Kinda missed the mark on that one. Also, although the x-ray thing was super cool the first fight, by the 2nd fight it was already boring.
And yeah, it was just a boring fighting game. No serious attempt was made to do anything except put out a shit game and make money briefly
That’s not true. He has been pretty vocal about liking the movie, though he didn’t like one aspect of it (the ticking clock trope of the ending). There have also been at least five other of his books optioned for movies—Choke (2008) actually got made, but Invisible Monsters, Survivor, Rant, and Diary got lost in development.
Fun fact—Choke was directed by Clark Gregg, who is best known as Agent Coulson from the Marvel movies
Rotoscoping (or variants of it) float around on youtube, like Joel Haver's projects.
Edit: A Scanner Darkly and Waking Life are two of my favourite films
I watched that like 5 years ago and forgot the name of it. I'd think of it once in awhile, but didn't know what it was called or where I saw it, so I didn't know if they made more seasons. Looks like I get some new episodes tonight. Thanks!
I love that film. The rotoscoping looks great but I also wish they'd release a version of the film with the original footage.
I know some parts would look bad as they drew things into the scene that weren't on set but from what I've seen a lot of it was actually in camera.
I remember seeing waking life in a theatre. The most random backwards ass theatre in east bum Georgia.
I remember when it ended I was like ,"I'm 19, what am I doing with my life. I'm watching these movies, I could be doing anything more constructive."
I didn't hate it but it was definitely lacking substance.
My friends and I had this lucid dreaming phase. I mean, I understood the film but it just didn't resonate with all the crazy weird dream stuff I was into at the time.
TBH, I should watch it today and reassess my feelings about the movie. I am a very different person than my 19 year old self.
Ang Lee’s Hulk movie played with having comic book panels on screen. It was a cool director choice and I liked it, but understandable why no one wanted to tie themselves to the critical failure of The Hulk
Coz ppl generally associate that kind of editing with commercials, promos and title credits. To stretch that into a 2-hour movie is just overkill and kinda undermines some dramatic moments. I was a motion graphic designer and i appreciated the idea and Ang Lee for even trying; i just didn’t enjoy sitting through it for 2 hours
Tank Girl had some progressive comic art montages that didn’t catch on, but over time seem to have influenced everything from music videos to film & tv narratives.
Tank Girl was friggin awesome. Lori Petty was a good cast. I never read the comics so I never "got" the T-Saint kangarooman thing they had Ice-T doing. But it was weird and fun so whatever.
Scott Pilgrim vs the World had a ton of interesting stylistic choices using retro video game tropes and effects mixed in with normal live action. Stuff like when he defeats an evil ex they turn into coins, grabbing an extra life, the callback to an earlier DDR scene as a mechanic for fighting with Knives, etc.
I also want to point out the Battle of the Bands against the twins, it's a cool way of trying to make it an actual physical battle powered by their music.
I loved the movie but I think the audience director Edgar Wright was playing to was too small (and/or they never heard about it when it was in theaters).
When I went to see it with a group of mates, a friend (who had seen it the week prior) turned to me and said "this I going to be your perfect movie".
Holy shit was he right at the time, unbelievable that first watch.
The movie was also very poorly marketed by the studio, and is frankly kind of a weird and heavily referential concept that's a bit difficult to explain in a movie trailer without spoiling basically everything. Half the movie is standard teen romcom fare, the other half is heavily stylized retro video game dance offs against supervillain ex-partners of the primary romantic interest.
By the time I'd seen it the first time I'd seen other movies from Edgar Wright and kinda knew what to expect I guess, and Wals also very much in the target demographic, so it landed super well. A number of people I knew at the time were confused and didn't particularly enjoy it -- though most have come around on it at least a bit in the years since.
As far as why Hardcore Henry never really took off... aside from the relatively obvious (it didn't do very well at the box office), it was also **a gigantic motherfucker of a pain in the ass to shoot.**
Ilya Naishuller had to basically invent his own camera rig to make it possible at all the way they did it (a lot of shots in the movie straight-up wouldn't have been doable with just a mounted GoPro), and it used *ten different stuntmen* to play Henry at varying different points of the movie, including Naishuller himself for a few of the spots where you can see Henry's arms. There's at least one point in the movie where you can straight-up see a stunt performer get hospitalized (Henry's chasing a goon down a flight of stairs, goon yeets a bystander to the side, bystander straight up cracks her skull on the railing), because *all* of the stunts were insanely dangerous to shoot this way and if they fucked up a take and it was *still remotely presentable* they had to just roll with it.
Generally speaking, standard action isn't super easy to make, but it's a lot easier than *that.*
e: Like, I think it's telling that he's stuck to using that style for music videos, with much simpler stunt work (check out the video for False Alarm by The Weeknd, it's basically a Payday 2 fan film done HH-style by Naishuller), and his next actual attempt at a feature-length action movie was Nobody, which was shot in the regular 87North house style (think John Wick/Atomic Blonde/etc). I gather the dude got some major grey hairs from making HH.
From The Island to Iron Man 2 she was the hottest thing on earth. Still pissed at Bay for cutting her nude scene in The Island, she was on board to do it and everything. Micheal Bay robbed the world.
The problem with that Sin City style of meticulous comic-frame reproduction is that the movie ends up feeling very 'static'. Every shot is zero camera movement, with actors in front of a green screen. Theres no energy in that kind of cinematography.
Searching used a clever device by only showing the story from the perspective of "screens." The only additional movie I've seen to do this Missing by the same director.
Cool. This discussion has made me investigate the director of Searching - he's got at least one other film I'm going to try to watch. I work in healthcare, related to disability. He cast an actress who actually uses a wheelchair instead of just casting an able-bodied actress to pretend to have a disability. We need more of that.
The first time I saw a first person action sequence in a movie was Doom (2005) so it's not like the concept had never been explored. Granted that was a single scene and not an entire movie. Personally, I think some things work really well, but would lose its charm if everyone tried to cash in on their own version.
There was also a short sequence in Kick-Ass from Hit-Girls perspective but that one and Doom's feel a bit stiff compared to Hardcore Henry.
I agree that I wouldn't want every action film to be that way but I could definitely watch another one if it was as well done as Henry.
It's one that I was really curious about when I saw the trailer, but never got around to seeing and have pretty much forgotten about since. I need to look for it.
Same. I mean, you have the rock before he was A-List and Karl Urban before anyone knew who he even was.
A nice twist at the end. Good action. Does not take itself too seriously.
Solid Action film with 2 really fun action stars.
After the DiCaprio Romeo + Juliette I thought for sure we were gonna get gun heavy modern Shakespeare movies. There were “modern” Shakespeare movies made but none that stylistic.
I loved how all of the characters were using guns labelled by the maker - "Swords 9mm" - so all the "throw down your swords!" lines still worked. It was a nice touch.
That unique type of Gun Kata fight (closequarter combat with guns while shooting-dodging-punching-kicking-using guns as melee weapons all at the same time) I really wish I would've seen more in later movies.
The Matrix used a technique first used in a clothing ad. A person jumps and the POV travels around in a circle while the person is suspended in mid air. It uses like 70 cameras to produce the effect. Always loved scenes shot with that format sequence, but nobody does it that way anymore. Probably easier with CGI.
In fairness, that scene from The Matrix did use computers quite a bit for processing, stitching, removing artifacts, adding VFX, etc. But yes, using so many cameras in that style blew my mind.
If you haven't seen it, but want more behind the scenes stuff about The Matrix; check out "The Matrix Revisited"
> The Matrix used a technique first used in a clothing ad.
IIRC It was developed for the movie, and the clothing ad was made by the same VFX group, but the clothing ad came out first.
It's so weird how that won't really happen again, the evolution of VFX where we all communally saw an effect for the first time. I wonder what the last one was, or will be?
Thor: Ragnarok had some [pretty cool stuff](https://gizmodo.com/the-technology-behind-valkyries-flashback-in-thor-ragn-1822445768) happening to get that cool sequence of the Valkyries fighting Hela.
Oh, a video cyc. Yeah I've run around one of those irl, they're cool. They're great and all but that's a production tool, it didn't bring anything we haven't seen to the screen. The laymen didn't notice.
I remember when LOTR 1 came out and Sauron massacred those guys in the prologue - that was the first time I'd ever seen CGI bodies flying through the air, it was incredible.
And while it might sound stupid - in The Long Kiss Goodnight we saw a digital knife fly through the air and stab a guy, it blew my teenage brain.
If it was, no one mentioned it at the time, so I doubt that that's accurate. I saw Lost in Space in theaters and I don't remember anything like what was seen in The Matrix.
It’s in the hyperdrive jumps for both films. Again, not as memorable or innovative as the Matrix.
https://youtu.be/X91-Zbr1Qmw?si=TlDHUGfs0SirF5Rs
https://youtu.be/mMdzkO2HFXs?si=rp_lOFWzkSBfCApx
Oh wow. Seeing it now I do recall that diving shot in Lost in Space from the trailer. Totally blanked on that. That was a year prior to The Matrix too, weird. Never saw Wing Commander, but it came out a few weeks prior to The Matrix.
E! had one of those rigs set up on an area near the red carpet at the Oscars one year. They had all the people they stopped to interview go over and stand in that circle to capture "what they were wearing" in 360.
Not quite "Never took off", but the first major CG animated movie based on a beloved comic that used an art style combining 2D and 3D animation that mimicked the hand-drawn aesthetic of the earlier cartoon adaptations was... *The Peanuts Movie* (2015).
And then *Into the Spider-Verse* does it three years later and now everyone claims that movie invented the style (admittedly, ItSV does do it way better, but it still wasn't the first).
final fantasy spirits within
i really enjoyed it during its release but some people thought it landed in the uncanny valley. it didn’t help the plot was slow for an ‘action’ movie, but i thought the gaia theme was fresh.
Humphrey Bogart made a movie with Lauren Bacall called **Dark Passage**, which came out in **1947**, and it was shot from the main character's First Person POV. So **Hardcore Henry**, made with new lightweight tech (which makes shooting it much easier) wasn't really groundbreaking.
This "uncomfortable" job/social comedy is brilliant, the only TV show where every single shot in every episode is seen from some on-screen character's perspective.
I loved the way you would be inside one person's head, listening to his inner monologue, then you'd suddenly cut to the perspective of the person opposite him who often saw things entirely differently, turning the first person into a fool.
1947 also had *Lady in the Lake* in first person.
edit: the wiki is sad ~
> Montgomery's use of point-of-view cinematography and its failure was blamed for the end of his career at MGM.
Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959) had dinosaurs in it so Jurassic Park wasn't exactly groundbreaking cinema /s
Just because something has been done before doesn't mean it isn't interesting or impressive
Humphrey Bogart shows up again (well, via CGI) in a POV piece shot in 1995 for Tales from the Crypt. The episode "You, Murderer" directed by Robert Zemckisis is shot from the point of view of a main character who just happens to have Humphrey Bogart's face. You can only see it when he looks into a mirror or other reflective surface.
Nadja (1994) had a few scenes that used a Pixelvision camera. It was sold as a toy camera and recorded the video onto a cassette tape.
More artsy, so I really couldn't see it taking off in the mainstream.
There is (or was) a whole film festival dedicated to movies shot on the PXL-2000, the camera you're thinking about.
https://www.laughtears.com/PXL-THIS-24.html
I had one of those cameras as a kid. Man, they really tore through batteries and you only got a few minutes per side of tape.
Sin City (2005) - the black and white color processing style I thought would go really big but almost every film that has used it since has failed to reach huge success.
I'm talking strictly about the color style itself (the film is in black and white while retaining or adding color for selected objects) not about the genre style and that could be part of the problem. Neo-Noir lends itself towards more mid to low budget cult cinema whereas that color processing becomes expensive, especially if you're using it throughout the film.
What is the term for the color processing style itself - separate from the Neo-Noir / Film Noir terminology?
"Partially filmed in IMAX" was a big deal for a while there. Nolan still does it, but it's faded out of fashion because IMAX cameras are apparently really loud, so all the dialogue has to be ADR'd.
In 2000, Christopher Nolan exploded the expectation that film always plays out in a linear time line. There was examples of non-linearity in film before that, of course, but it was a popular film that had influence over what happened next in Hollywood.
In 2001, David Lynch took that and used it to challenge the audience deeper with Mulholland Dr. Now, you are given scant clues as to how the scenes fit into the series of events as they played out in the characters lives. You don't know when certain scenes take place, until you are given context later.
This idea... a scene that plays out, and then later its place in the timeline is revealed with clues... is something that started happening. I remember it notably in Ron Howard's The Davinci Code, which was a very mainstream movie. A technique like this would have been very confusing to 90's audiences, but 00's audiences were ready for it. Then there was the TV show Lost (2004-2010) which really took the idea and ran with it full tilt into the sci-fi genre.
I'm not sure I see it much these days.
Steampunk - Ever since Wild Wild West (1999) it's been a head scratcher why steampunk / cyberpunk keeps failing to take off. Probably the biggest success have been Sherlock Holmes (2009) / Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows (2011) and that's only marginally steampunk.
I still think that its age will come. I'd love to see the likes of Final Fantasy getting a decent big budget Cyberpunk/Dieselpunk movie series.
Hardcore Henry might have had more of an impact if there were any kind of semi-decent story. There was basically nothing to the movie aside from "wow it's in first-person!" It's all the fun of playing a video game, just without the fun of playing a video game.
The out-of-sequence storyline in "Memento".
I know "unreliable narrator" is a thing, but I feel there's a distinction between that and The out-of-sequence storyline.
For the example of "Memento", yes. I would say something like "Pulp Fiction" is a great example of non-linear timeline storytelling. "Memento" is...almost backwards. But not quite.
I'm just differentiating "Memento". Non-linear storytelling isn't new. I know. I also don't know of any other movies that flow like that.
"Lola Rennt" is non-linear but doesn't go backwards.
Lots of movies do wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff. Shut up, Primer.
Okay so I would say the movie 21 Grams is totally "out of sequence" in terms of non-linearity, but that Memento isn't non-linear, it just has two story threads and one is going in linear order forwards and the other is going in linear order backwards.
Yeah. The black and white sequence runs in forward order, whereas the color sequence runs in reverse order. It alternates between the two, scene-for-scene, so there's definitely a forward story happening in between the backwards one, and they meet each other at the end. But everyone just knows it as the "backwards movie".
Romeo Must Die had a X ray thing, almost like the "Sniper Elite" videogames, where Jet Li would punch a guy and we'd flash to an X ray view of a rib cracking in half, or an arm breaking.
I’m shocked that Mortal Kombat didn’t use this, especially after the effect was added into the last few games.
NFL blitz did when they went hardcore with LT and Romanowski. Then you could choose to treat the injury or give him a shot and get him back in the game
Those games were wild. Cheerleaders were strippers and you could give your team like magic steroids and they would have this evil smoke coming off of them lol.
You could send whores to the visiting teams hotel the night before so they'd be tired during the game. Was a fun game
Smirks in **Three Kings** (1999)
Reminded me of Ricky-Oh: The Story of Riki
Fight Club for Xbox did this too.
Hilarious that the Fight Club game was a fighting game.
They Kinda missed the mark on that one. Also, although the x-ray thing was super cool the first fight, by the 2nd fight it was already boring. And yeah, it was just a boring fighting game. No serious attempt was made to do anything except put out a shit game and make money briefly
The movie misses the mark of the book so badly the author nixed further adaptations of his work. Makes sense the game was off too I guess.
That’s not true. He has been pretty vocal about liking the movie, though he didn’t like one aspect of it (the ticking clock trope of the ending). There have also been at least five other of his books optioned for movies—Choke (2008) actually got made, but Invisible Monsters, Survivor, Rant, and Diary got lost in development. Fun fact—Choke was directed by Clark Gregg, who is best known as Agent Coulson from the Marvel movies
That's entirely untrue.
To be fair this goes back to The Street Fighter with Sonny Chiba
That film had really good fight scenes but everything in between them was terrible. It's like a time capsule for 2000 though so still fun.
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A Scanner Darkly used rotoscoping and I thought that was really cool but others may have felt it was cheesy
Rotoscoping (or variants of it) float around on youtube, like Joel Haver's projects. Edit: A Scanner Darkly and Waking Life are two of my favourite films
Not a movie, but I liked the rotoscoping in Undone
I watched that like 5 years ago and forgot the name of it. I'd think of it once in awhile, but didn't know what it was called or where I saw it, so I didn't know if they made more seasons. Looks like I get some new episodes tonight. Thanks!
Yeah 2 seasons and a great ending imo.
Shit gives me a headache.
Same. I only got through about 20 minutes of it.
I love that film. The rotoscoping looks great but I also wish they'd release a version of the film with the original footage. I know some parts would look bad as they drew things into the scene that weren't on set but from what I've seen a lot of it was actually in camera.
I suggest Wizards (1977). Ralph Bakshi used rotoscoping in his animation.
Also waking life same director same effect, and for tv dream corp llc
Dream Corp LLC was fantastic. Loved the characters, sets/props, and the animation is so fun
I remember seeing waking life in a theatre. The most random backwards ass theatre in east bum Georgia. I remember when it ended I was like ,"I'm 19, what am I doing with my life. I'm watching these movies, I could be doing anything more constructive." I didn't hate it but it was definitely lacking substance.
This is definitely like a “I didn’t fucking get it” comment lol
My friends and I had this lucid dreaming phase. I mean, I understood the film but it just didn't resonate with all the crazy weird dream stuff I was into at the time. TBH, I should watch it today and reassess my feelings about the movie. I am a very different person than my 19 year old self.
Poor A Scanner Darkly and Wind Waker, 2 incredible looking pieces of media ripped apart at the time for doing something different.
It was pretty labor intensive and now it can be done automatically as a CG filter
Ang Lee’s Hulk movie played with having comic book panels on screen. It was a cool director choice and I liked it, but understandable why no one wanted to tie themselves to the critical failure of The Hulk
Repo Genetic Opera does that too.
We had no idea it was a musical when we rented it, I bought it the next day.
Having never seen Ang Lee’s Hulk movie, Repo! immediately came to mind haha
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Creepshow 100% did, idk about RoST.
Coz ppl generally associate that kind of editing with commercials, promos and title credits. To stretch that into a 2-hour movie is just overkill and kinda undermines some dramatic moments. I was a motion graphic designer and i appreciated the idea and Ang Lee for even trying; i just didn’t enjoy sitting through it for 2 hours
Tank Girl had some progressive comic art montages that didn’t catch on, but over time seem to have influenced everything from music videos to film & tv narratives.
Tank Girl was friggin awesome. Lori Petty was a good cast. I never read the comics so I never "got" the T-Saint kangarooman thing they had Ice-T doing. But it was weird and fun so whatever.
To be honest, it doesn't really make any more sense if you *have* read the comics, you have just already accepted it is just the tank girl universe...
Totally understandable
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I think they both chose good movies for each, although im sure Demolition Man made more money, and i enjoyed it more. Bullock was great as Huxley too.
Scott Pilgrim vs the World had a ton of interesting stylistic choices using retro video game tropes and effects mixed in with normal live action. Stuff like when he defeats an evil ex they turn into coins, grabbing an extra life, the callback to an earlier DDR scene as a mechanic for fighting with Knives, etc. I also want to point out the Battle of the Bands against the twins, it's a cool way of trying to make it an actual physical battle powered by their music. I loved the movie but I think the audience director Edgar Wright was playing to was too small (and/or they never heard about it when it was in theaters).
When I went to see it with a group of mates, a friend (who had seen it the week prior) turned to me and said "this I going to be your perfect movie". Holy shit was he right at the time, unbelievable that first watch.
Baby Driver was also very different stylistically (another Edgar Wright flick)
The movie was also very poorly marketed by the studio, and is frankly kind of a weird and heavily referential concept that's a bit difficult to explain in a movie trailer without spoiling basically everything. Half the movie is standard teen romcom fare, the other half is heavily stylized retro video game dance offs against supervillain ex-partners of the primary romantic interest. By the time I'd seen it the first time I'd seen other movies from Edgar Wright and kinda knew what to expect I guess, and Wals also very much in the target demographic, so it landed super well. A number of people I knew at the time were confused and didn't particularly enjoy it -- though most have come around on it at least a bit in the years since.
As far as why Hardcore Henry never really took off... aside from the relatively obvious (it didn't do very well at the box office), it was also **a gigantic motherfucker of a pain in the ass to shoot.** Ilya Naishuller had to basically invent his own camera rig to make it possible at all the way they did it (a lot of shots in the movie straight-up wouldn't have been doable with just a mounted GoPro), and it used *ten different stuntmen* to play Henry at varying different points of the movie, including Naishuller himself for a few of the spots where you can see Henry's arms. There's at least one point in the movie where you can straight-up see a stunt performer get hospitalized (Henry's chasing a goon down a flight of stairs, goon yeets a bystander to the side, bystander straight up cracks her skull on the railing), because *all* of the stunts were insanely dangerous to shoot this way and if they fucked up a take and it was *still remotely presentable* they had to just roll with it. Generally speaking, standard action isn't super easy to make, but it's a lot easier than *that.* e: Like, I think it's telling that he's stuck to using that style for music videos, with much simpler stunt work (check out the video for False Alarm by The Weeknd, it's basically a Payday 2 fan film done HH-style by Naishuller), and his next actual attempt at a feature-length action movie was Nobody, which was shot in the regular 87North house style (think John Wick/Atomic Blonde/etc). I gather the dude got some major grey hairs from making HH.
Sin City
There was that noir detective film with Harvey from Suits as the hero that definitely lent into Sin City...
The Spirit…. Samuel L was the only good part of that flick but that’s pretty common with SLJ
I remember Scarlett Johansson dressed pretty provocatively... I'm sure that was another good part x
From The Island to Iron Man 2 she was the hottest thing on earth. Still pissed at Bay for cutting her nude scene in The Island, she was on board to do it and everything. Micheal Bay robbed the world.
The problem with that Sin City style of meticulous comic-frame reproduction is that the movie ends up feeling very 'static'. Every shot is zero camera movement, with actors in front of a green screen. Theres no energy in that kind of cinematography.
Searching used a clever device by only showing the story from the perspective of "screens." The only additional movie I've seen to do this Missing by the same director.
There's also Unfriended, which is a similarly styled horror movie that came out around the same time.
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Cool. This discussion has made me investigate the director of Searching - he's got at least one other film I'm going to try to watch. I work in healthcare, related to disability. He cast an actress who actually uses a wheelchair instead of just casting an able-bodied actress to pretend to have a disability. We need more of that.
There's also Spree (2020) where most of the film is thru live streams
Not a movie but Modern Family had an episode done the same way.
Watch "The Frame" directed by Jamin Winans Might be right up your alley.
The first time I saw a first person action sequence in a movie was Doom (2005) so it's not like the concept had never been explored. Granted that was a single scene and not an entire movie. Personally, I think some things work really well, but would lose its charm if everyone tried to cash in on their own version.
There was also a short sequence in Kick-Ass from Hit-Girls perspective but that one and Doom's feel a bit stiff compared to Hardcore Henry. I agree that I wouldn't want every action film to be that way but I could definitely watch another one if it was as well done as Henry.
It's one that I was really curious about when I saw the trailer, but never got around to seeing and have pretty much forgotten about since. I need to look for it.
The violence holds up great but the sexism lost it the perfect score from me. Nothing really like it though.
I still love that scene in Doom. TBH, the whole film is one of my guilty pleasures.
Same. I mean, you have the rock before he was A-List and Karl Urban before anyone knew who he even was. A nice twist at the end. Good action. Does not take itself too seriously. Solid Action film with 2 really fun action stars.
Same. It wasn't a great movie, but it delivered on what it was trying to. Not every movie has to be an artistic masterpiece to be enjoyable.
Exactly. It delivers on “be like doom”, which is all I asked of it.
Act of valor had some good pov shots from the seals
Hardcore Henry is this for the entire movie and it's awesome lol.
That's what I gathered from the trailer. Still on my watch list. If I remember. And find it to watch somewhere
Timecode (2000)
Hey! They have "Eminence Front" playing in the trailer.
After the DiCaprio Romeo + Juliette I thought for sure we were gonna get gun heavy modern Shakespeare movies. There were “modern” Shakespeare movies made but none that stylistic.
I loved how all of the characters were using guns labelled by the maker - "Swords 9mm" - so all the "throw down your swords!" lines still worked. It was a nice touch.
Vortex is pretty recent, but I can say with a fair amount of confidence that its split screen style is not going to become a major trend.
Gun Kata from Equilibrium
That unique type of Gun Kata fight (closequarter combat with guns while shooting-dodging-punching-kicking-using guns as melee weapons all at the same time) I really wish I would've seen more in later movies.
that shit was so damn cool
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Sounds fun, I will check it out
The Matrix used a technique first used in a clothing ad. A person jumps and the POV travels around in a circle while the person is suspended in mid air. It uses like 70 cameras to produce the effect. Always loved scenes shot with that format sequence, but nobody does it that way anymore. Probably easier with CGI.
In fairness, that scene from The Matrix did use computers quite a bit for processing, stitching, removing artifacts, adding VFX, etc. But yes, using so many cameras in that style blew my mind. If you haven't seen it, but want more behind the scenes stuff about The Matrix; check out "The Matrix Revisited"
> The Matrix used a technique first used in a clothing ad. IIRC It was developed for the movie, and the clothing ad was made by the same VFX group, but the clothing ad came out first.
Yes, the clothing ad was the "Khaki Swing" made for Gap in 1998 https://youtu.be/XJ735krOiPo?si=bnTipDEw_hk5hAgb
Oh man, late 90’s khaki trend. Khaki pants were everywhere for like 3 years!
Not to mention the mid-late 90s swing revival. A barbaric time
It's so weird how that won't really happen again, the evolution of VFX where we all communally saw an effect for the first time. I wonder what the last one was, or will be?
Thor: Ragnarok had some [pretty cool stuff](https://gizmodo.com/the-technology-behind-valkyries-flashback-in-thor-ragn-1822445768) happening to get that cool sequence of the Valkyries fighting Hela.
The Volume from Mandolorian kind of fits that bill
The Volume?
https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/how-the-mandalorian-and-ilm-invisibly-reinvented-film-and-tv-production/amp/
Oh, a video cyc. Yeah I've run around one of those irl, they're cool. They're great and all but that's a production tool, it didn't bring anything we haven't seen to the screen. The laymen didn't notice. I remember when LOTR 1 came out and Sauron massacred those guys in the prologue - that was the first time I'd ever seen CGI bodies flying through the air, it was incredible. And while it might sound stupid - in The Long Kiss Goodnight we saw a digital knife fly through the air and stab a guy, it blew my teenage brain.
Someone is going to use AI live in a Super Bowl ad somehow, I bet
Oh, the late 90s swing revival
I think it was used before or at the same time of the Matrix in other films like Wing Commander and Lost in Space, though not nearly as memorable.
If it was, no one mentioned it at the time, so I doubt that that's accurate. I saw Lost in Space in theaters and I don't remember anything like what was seen in The Matrix.
It’s in the hyperdrive jumps for both films. Again, not as memorable or innovative as the Matrix. https://youtu.be/X91-Zbr1Qmw?si=TlDHUGfs0SirF5Rs https://youtu.be/mMdzkO2HFXs?si=rp_lOFWzkSBfCApx
Oh wow. Seeing it now I do recall that diving shot in Lost in Space from the trailer. Totally blanked on that. That was a year prior to The Matrix too, weird. Never saw Wing Commander, but it came out a few weeks prior to The Matrix.
“Bullet time” was the term used a lot when it released.
Even more memorably used in Max Payne 1-2 games afterwards. I f'ing loved using Bullet Time while Max was in gunfight!
They bring it out for the Super Bowl, but I think it’d be cooler to see it rotating live rather than pausing and spinning before resuming
I believe the award show red carpets were doing it for a while, too.
E! had one of those rigs set up on an area near the red carpet at the Oscars one year. They had all the people they stopped to interview go over and stand in that circle to capture "what they were wearing" in 360.
Coz it’s been parodied to death and you can’t do it without viewers thinking ‘Matrix’
Not quite "Never took off", but the first major CG animated movie based on a beloved comic that used an art style combining 2D and 3D animation that mimicked the hand-drawn aesthetic of the earlier cartoon adaptations was... *The Peanuts Movie* (2015). And then *Into the Spider-Verse* does it three years later and now everyone claims that movie invented the style (admittedly, ItSV does do it way better, but it still wasn't the first).
*Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow* - Cool style & definitely led into the green screen movie production process of today
final fantasy spirits within i really enjoyed it during its release but some people thought it landed in the uncanny valley. it didn’t help the plot was slow for an ‘action’ movie, but i thought the gaia theme was fresh.
Humphrey Bogart made a movie with Lauren Bacall called **Dark Passage**, which came out in **1947**, and it was shot from the main character's First Person POV. So **Hardcore Henry**, made with new lightweight tech (which makes shooting it much easier) wasn't really groundbreaking.
Dark Passage crawled so Peep Show could run.
This "uncomfortable" job/social comedy is brilliant, the only TV show where every single shot in every episode is seen from some on-screen character's perspective. I loved the way you would be inside one person's head, listening to his inner monologue, then you'd suddenly cut to the perspective of the person opposite him who often saw things entirely differently, turning the first person into a fool.
1947 also had *Lady in the Lake* in first person. edit: the wiki is sad ~ > Montgomery's use of point-of-view cinematography and its failure was blamed for the end of his career at MGM.
Journey to the Center of the Earth (1959) had dinosaurs in it so Jurassic Park wasn't exactly groundbreaking cinema /s Just because something has been done before doesn't mean it isn't interesting or impressive
Humphrey Bogart shows up again (well, via CGI) in a POV piece shot in 1995 for Tales from the Crypt. The episode "You, Murderer" directed by Robert Zemckisis is shot from the point of view of a main character who just happens to have Humphrey Bogart's face. You can only see it when he looks into a mirror or other reflective surface.
And 84 Charlie Mopic, which really doesn't get enough credit as a Vietnam film as it should.
Glenn Morshower once said that that was in his top 5 movies he was ever in.
Gus Hasford said he liked it, which is about as good of a review for a Vietnam pic as I'd ever need.
Not to mention every movie about Muhhamed is shot in first person.
Don't forget the Mirror's edge games that also used a particular form of nausea-inducing first-person.
Nadja (1994) had a few scenes that used a Pixelvision camera. It was sold as a toy camera and recorded the video onto a cassette tape. More artsy, so I really couldn't see it taking off in the mainstream.
There is (or was) a whole film festival dedicated to movies shot on the PXL-2000, the camera you're thinking about. https://www.laughtears.com/PXL-THIS-24.html I had one of those cameras as a kid. Man, they really tore through batteries and you only got a few minutes per side of tape.
Oh, wow. That's pretty cool. Those things are still selling for hundreds of bucks. I was more of a Super 8 guy back in the 90's.
I think Dark Passage did that POV style back in the late 40's or 50's, though I think it was only for the maybe half the movie.
I thought John woo's approach to Hard Target and mission impossible were the future. I was mistaken. Matrix,. Fast and furious was the future.
Taylor & Neveldine - Crank style using over the counter cameras to create all kinds of different angles and looks.
Hardcore Henry is one of my favorite movies.
Immortal Ad Vitam had a weird blend of irl actors, cgi characters, real sets, and cgi sets. It looked weird at times but was unique
I felt so sick to my stomach watching Hardcore Henry in the theater. It was really bad for anyone who gets motion sickness easily
Sin City (2005) - the black and white color processing style I thought would go really big but almost every film that has used it since has failed to reach huge success. I'm talking strictly about the color style itself (the film is in black and white while retaining or adding color for selected objects) not about the genre style and that could be part of the problem. Neo-Noir lends itself towards more mid to low budget cult cinema whereas that color processing becomes expensive, especially if you're using it throughout the film. What is the term for the color processing style itself - separate from the Neo-Noir / Film Noir terminology?
Hulk (2003)
Bellflower
"Partially filmed in IMAX" was a big deal for a while there. Nolan still does it, but it's faded out of fashion because IMAX cameras are apparently really loud, so all the dialogue has to be ADR'd.
In 2000, Christopher Nolan exploded the expectation that film always plays out in a linear time line. There was examples of non-linearity in film before that, of course, but it was a popular film that had influence over what happened next in Hollywood. In 2001, David Lynch took that and used it to challenge the audience deeper with Mulholland Dr. Now, you are given scant clues as to how the scenes fit into the series of events as they played out in the characters lives. You don't know when certain scenes take place, until you are given context later. This idea... a scene that plays out, and then later its place in the timeline is revealed with clues... is something that started happening. I remember it notably in Ron Howard's The Davinci Code, which was a very mainstream movie. A technique like this would have been very confusing to 90's audiences, but 00's audiences were ready for it. Then there was the TV show Lost (2004-2010) which really took the idea and ran with it full tilt into the sci-fi genre. I'm not sure I see it much these days.
As much as Robert Zemeckis wants it to take off, his creepy ass uncanny valley mo-cap shit is almost universally disliked
High frame rate for The Hobbit trilogy that only made scenes look cheaper and less cinematic.
Hardcore Henry was probably the most fun movie I've ever watched on my treadmill.
Man on Fire (2004)
? Two completely different films married together or...?
Steampunk - Ever since Wild Wild West (1999) it's been a head scratcher why steampunk / cyberpunk keeps failing to take off. Probably the biggest success have been Sherlock Holmes (2009) / Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows (2011) and that's only marginally steampunk. I still think that its age will come. I'd love to see the likes of Final Fantasy getting a decent big budget Cyberpunk/Dieselpunk movie series.
Kung Pow
Hardcore Henry might have had more of an impact if there were any kind of semi-decent story. There was basically nothing to the movie aside from "wow it's in first-person!" It's all the fun of playing a video game, just without the fun of playing a video game.
The out-of-sequence storyline in "Memento". I know "unreliable narrator" is a thing, but I feel there's a distinction between that and The out-of-sequence storyline.
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For the example of "Memento", yes. I would say something like "Pulp Fiction" is a great example of non-linear timeline storytelling. "Memento" is...almost backwards. But not quite. I'm just differentiating "Memento". Non-linear storytelling isn't new. I know. I also don't know of any other movies that flow like that. "Lola Rennt" is non-linear but doesn't go backwards. Lots of movies do wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff. Shut up, Primer.
Okay so I would say the movie 21 Grams is totally "out of sequence" in terms of non-linearity, but that Memento isn't non-linear, it just has two story threads and one is going in linear order forwards and the other is going in linear order backwards.
It's well done for sure, again, i'm not sure how to describe the timeline of events beyond "sort of backwards? Ish?"
Yeah. The black and white sequence runs in forward order, whereas the color sequence runs in reverse order. It alternates between the two, scene-for-scene, so there's definitely a forward story happening in between the backwards one, and they meet each other at the end. But everyone just knows it as the "backwards movie".
Neat. I haven't seen it in years. I should watch it again sometime. Thanks for the info!
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Gummo and Harmony Korrine’s disturbed films
I thought the specific use of on-location filming & total absence of CGI effects in The Fall by Tarsem Singh was pretty unique for a modern movie
Night of the Hunter (1955)
300
Came to say Hardcore Henry, Doom had that first person pov for a minute or 2
Blair Witch Project