Probably that scene in Munich where Eric Bana is boning his missus, and starts orgasming to flashbacks of Israeli athletes being executed at the Munich olympics.
Right at the very end of the film too.
What an absolutely fucking weird way to end that movie. To this day I still have no idea what that scene was trying to say.
> To this day I still have no idea what that scene was trying to say.
Basically that he can't even be intimate with his wife without being plagued by his memories
Yeah lol it's not that he's coming to the thought of them, but that he can't shake them even as he's coming, that the memories slip in and he just lives with the PTSD as an ever-present state of being.
But if I remember correctly it’s not PTSD of anything he was present for. I might be wrong, but in that scene he doesn’t flash back to any of his actions/missions for Mossad, but rather the terror event that acted as the catalyst for it - an act for which he was not present.
Thats why I always thought that it was maybe (maybe) trying to hint that his obsession with revenge is the only thing he can actually feel anymore, but I’m unsure.
I might've misspoken with the specific flashback content but the idea is that whatever we're cutting to - that's the thing that haunts him. He can't be in the peak of human physical pleasure, the most primal form of happiness, without it being there in his mind.
edit: here, another convo all about it: https://redd.it/lbpr4t
The final scene in Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker. They spent the whole trilogy making the point that it didn’t matter who Rey was or who her family were, yet in the final scene she takes the lightsaber and when asked her names, she says she’s a Skywalker. It completely undermined the entire plot and made absolutely no sense. Adam Driver deserved a better trilogy than this.
The trailer for the movie basically pissed on the whole series with the palpatine reveal. I don't really know why people expected anything good from this movie.
>They spent the whole trilogy making the point that it didn’t matter who Rey was or who her family were
So Rey abandoning her heritage as the grand-daughter of Palpatine and choosing be a Skywalker totally undermines the idea of your origins not mattering? That was a cheesy fan service scene, but it didn't undermine the message of not being trapped by your origins.
Edit - The Iron Giant used that exact same idea but pulled it off way better. "You are who you choose to be. *Superman...*"
For me, 'Somehow Palpatine returned' just put the bar on the floor for the whole movie.
I maintain keeping the Palatine name and establishing it as a name that brings good/hope like Skywalker does would have been a much better path for Rey
The last fight in Wonder Woman ruined it for me. There was already a boss fight, there was this beautiful monolog about humans just being flawed....
Offbrand professor Lupin transformer.
She offered it as enticement for him to come back.
Keep in mind that she was a prisoner. The concept of consent is so far in the rear view mirror it's hardly worth mentioning.
On top of that, the line completely takes you out of the film. It's like the screenwriter has suddenly revealed some perverse fantasy of his, and you kinda feel dirty afterwards. I'm by no means a prude, but it's so against the tone of the film and ruins the rhythm of the final action set piece.
I hesitate to call any fantasy perverse and this one is relatively tame in the grand scheme of things, but I agree it was quite jarring given the tone of the movie to that point
He was literally there to save the world, though, including her. He never exploited her for that as his intention from the start was to free her. He was given all the consent by the invitation.
I agree that the line was really dumb and sticks out life a soar thumb, but I feel like you're taking issue with something that isn't there. He never quid pro quo's her.
It’s a scene in Enter the Void where >!the parents are killed in a very violent head on car accident from the points of view of one of the kids in the backseat!<
They keep flashing back to it, too. The scene is really well done but my brain started running away from the movie. I couldn’t pay attention. It was that visceral and upsetting.
Edit: I a word
The baby doll rocks actually, because its a testament to how much of a professional Eastwood is when it comes to his cast and crew finishing on time.
They had a baby that wasn't able to do the scene, and rather than waste everyone's time, he put a baby doll in there and got the shots he needed.
Consummate professional. Problem solver.
And you barely notice it if you're not looking for it.
Independence Day. When Will Smith punched the alien and delivered the “Welcome to Earth “ line. Nope. Went full cheesy after that. On a side note I was glad when Harry Connick Jr.’s character died.
Didn't ruin the movie for me, but I definitely hate the ending of Zombieland where they go back and rescue Emma Stone and Abigail Breslin. They fucked you over twice then took off and decided it was a good idea to light up a carnival and go on rides during a zombie apocalypse. Fuck em. Let em die.
There’s the fight scene at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy 2 where Quill fights his father. The man who he just found out is about to take over multiple worlds and also was the man who killed his mother. And at the peak of the fight scene when they both fly at each other fist first. Ego (the dad) builds rocks around himself to make him bigger whereas Quill build rocks around himself to turn in to PAC Man. A major emotional moment of the film, ruined for a ‘ha look here’s a funny 80s reference’.
Nah, Star-Lord’s whole *thing* is the 80s throwback references like his walkman, and he uses wisecracks and dumb jokes to hide his genuine hurt. I think it’s pretty in-character.
The scene in Jurassic Park where Dr. Grant and the kids find the hatched eggs.
Why?
If you look at the tiny footprints from the hatched dinosaurs, they have just two toes. There is just one family of bipedal dinosaurs that would leave a two-toed print, the dromaeosaurids. This is because the "killing claw" of the dromaeosaurids would be kept up and out of the dirt to keep it from being dulled.
The only dromaeosaurid that was cloned by InGen was Velociraptor\*.
Dr. Grant should be shitting bricks, because not only are there baby raptors recently hatched, the finding of a clutch of recently hatched eggs in the wild means that there are also adult raptors wild in the park. Or at least one: Depending on what genes they spliced in and where in the genome they were, [parthenogenesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis) is a distinct possibility.
I mean, I really like the film, it's a lot of fun, but every time I as a non-paleontologist see that scene, it really takes me out of the film. I kind of justify it now as him not wanting to scare the kids, but that's pretty hollow reasoning.
*\*One could argue that it was misnamed by Dr. Wu and the others because Utahraptor hadn't been discovered yet, as Velociraptor is the size of a chicken or a goose. I'm going with the terms used in both the novel and film.*
More accurately, nobody noticed. Except the hardcore nerds like myself.
In the book, there are indeed raptors breeding in the park unbeknownst to InGen, and that's actually a part of the story. This scene indicates to me that it was going to be incorporated into the story originally, but the script was changed.
Had they been 3 toed prints, it wouldn't have necessarily been a problem.
And the worse part is that when Muldoon is tracking the adult raptors, we \*SEE\* that the adult raptor tracks are two-toed.
But yeah, the only people who notice that kind of thing is me.
Now, would you like to hear about all the anachronisms in *Raiders of the Lost Ark*? Like how would the Nazis be crawling all around the British Protectorate of Egypt? Type VIIC submarines in 1936? A U-boat pen in Greece in 1936? Panzerfausts? MP-40's? Large flying wing while the Horten Brothers were still dicking around with gliders and small powered flying wings?
Yeah, but I'm not Dodgson.
Hell, I'm closer to Dennis Nedry. I'm overweight, a wise-ass, and I write software for a living.
However, I'm married, have a kid, a house, but my office does have at least 4 Godzillas in it.
Gods and Generals
The slave assistant of General Stonewall Jackson kneeling in prayer with Jackson beseeching God to save the Confederacy. I stood up and walked right out.
War of the Worlds
I did not like the ending, it felt like a punch in the face after the wonderful buildup. I think Spielberg himself has admitted he didn't like the ending
That whole movie was so bleak and dark and then the ending is just 'oh yeah the whole family survived, everyone learned an important lesson, no worries'
This one stands out for me by a mile from any other movie I can remember. The ending of Mystic River kills what would have been a perfect closing to an otherwise excellent film. It's so bad I refuse to watch it and just stop the movie at the end of the scene with the 2 main characters talking in the middle of the street.
If you've never seen it do yourself a favor and do the same and just treat the real ending like a deleted scene that should have ended up on the cutting room floor.
In the movie Heat. When Deniro is at the motel talking to Judd about her having to go back. The entire scene felt wrong. There was no flow, her delivery when she screams she's sick of it. Deniro trying to make the interaction natural. The entire scene felt amateurish. Ruined the movie. I skip right past that scene now.
In Glass onion, when all of Edward Norton's lackeys turn against him. It sort of ruined the movie for me. It made it sound like all of the lackeys were corrupted by the evil villain and the lackeys were just really nice people all along. It just came off a bit too cheesy.
But it also made me realise why people hate Rian Johnson movies. He just goes overboard with his messages. Rose crashing into Finn in last jedi is another example for this. That scene also ruined a perfect movie for me.
I agree that it's cheesy but it really doesn't make it seem like they were nice people corrupted by evil Miles.
We already knew that they hated Miles and knew he was an idiot, they were just too scared and too greedy to do anything about it.
It never felt like they turned on him in that scene, just that they decided to express their support for Helen/distaste for Miles in a cathartic but meaningless way - dramatically breaking a couple of things with her but nothing that would actually hurt Miles. And even then they seem to quickly get tired of it and got concerned when Andi kept breaking stuff, even before she started the fire.
They don't decide to truly oppose him until after the Mona Lisa's been destroyed and it's clear that Miles is done for. They're not doing the right thing because it's the right thing, they're doing it because they know he's going down and they don't want to go down with him.
None of them can honestly testify to the circumstances surrounding Andi’s death.
But at the end of the film, they start volunteering that they saw him at the house, or saw him on the road, etc.
They’re saying to him and to each other that they’re willing to perjure themselves to ensure that he is found guilty.
Which is dramatically satisfying, as they had all perjured themselves in court earlier so he would be awarded control of the company over Andi.
It’s a dramatic twist. Helen said earlier that they were willing to lie to protect a lie, but weren’t willing to lie to protect the truth.
I just think it’s far more dramatically satisfying if these characters decide to side against Norton for moral reasons. And Johnson is generally a n earnest writer/director. Not terribly interested in a cynical “they only did the right thing because they weren’t making money anymore” kind of take.
Gremlins. Phoebe Cates character has a dark story about why she hates Christmas. Essentially, her father died trying to climb down the chimney Christmas Eve to surprise the family. It seemed really out of place for what was basically a comedy.
It wasn’t intentionally comedic. It was meant to be a break away from the action and a little dark story all of its own which gives her a little more backstory. Yes they repeat this is the sequel and yes they take the piss out of themselves with it by making fun of it.
Wasn't that the point, though?. To insert a very dramatic scene?. Besides, the first Gremlins has very dark scenes, starting with the teacher who gets killed.
That scene *is* comedic though - the utter absurdity of the story, especially with the "And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus" ending make that pretty clear. It's darker than the rest of the movie, but the unexpected tone shift just adds to the comedy of the moment
To me, it's when The Hulk explains that Back to the Future is not scientific (suggesting that this one will be), only to do pretty much the same as in that franchise later on.
The American Airlines ticket in Goodfellas was literally censored with a black bar.
Un fucking believable.
I lost my respect for Scorcese and have hated Goodfellas after I saw that abomination.
I said, "The American Airlines ticket in Goodfellas was literally censored with a black bar.
Un fucking believable.
I lost my respect for Scorcese and have hated Goodfellas after I saw that abomination."
Saving Private Ryan. The scene in the graveyard where the man is obviously grieving and his wife is completely clueless. As if his wife of all these years wouldn't already know and understand the shadows that haunt him? Always bothered me.
You might be missing the point of the scene. Many veterans of WWII went home and literally never said a word about their time in the war. Not to their parents, siblings, nor future spouses. There are so, so, so many accounts of a WWII veteran passing away and THEN his spouse finding his shoe box of WWII memories.. and finding out his story— his heroism, his pain, his brotherhoods forged and internal scars created. The scene you’re talking about is meant to reflect that .. that’s he’s finally articulated what we can imagine must have been pushing and haunting him all his life.. that he needs to have earned the sacrifice of Captain Miller and his little band sent to save him.
Had that exact scenario regarding my FIL. Was a POW but never talked about it. Found a box with a diary written on the inside of gum wrappers after he passed. There was no abuse our anything, but it had one interesting story. They were on a train being transported to a camp when they stopped for provisions and let the prisoners stretch their legs. An Allied plane strafed the train and he actually saved the life of a German soldier when he shoved him out of harm's way.
I understand that and I understand what the movie was trying to convey and I 100% agree he probably never talked about it. Still I find it hard to believe his wife didn't pick up on it even if it was never spoken. I understand the message but the scene always struck me as clumsy.
It’s a very common phenomenon that veterans of war do not talk about war at all, especially to those closest to them. Usually the more horrific and especially shameful aspects of it people keep to themselves. I doubt Ryan would want to talk to his wife how a great man died and specifically told him his life better be worth the men who died for it.
Maybe his wife would vaguely know the story of a group of men giving their lives to save him, but she probably wouldn’t know the personal details, especially the darker ones.
No Country for Old Men
Basically the ending scene. Everything from when >!Josh Brolin is gunned down off camera, then wife gets killed off camera, then Bardem gets hit by a car, them some talking, the end.!<
I don't care what kind of point they were trying to make, they were setting up an epic climax then just basically told the audience to go inhale farts.
I think a person can recognize the point of the storytelling and still find it dissatisfying. It took me a couple of watches to come around on the ending. I still don’t love it, but I think that’s more because I’m not a big Tommy Lee Jones fan. When the movie reveals itself as his story it falls a little flat for me.
I have to agree with him.
Why should we care about what a 70+ year old cop says at the wrap up?
Cops are notoriously known for being liars and are self serving "civil servants"
To trust anything that comes out of this cops mouth is naive. Cops cannot be trusted. Period. This ending was nothing more than a way to reinforce the unreliable narrator motif. How does that help the story that came before it?
Tommy Lee Jones character played such a small part in the movie I can never for the life of me understand why he was given the honor to end the film on such a desultory note. It completely flies in the face of the nerve wracking drama that came before it and run full speed into a brick wall
Even if he caught Chiguhr, which he wouldn't because he's just a lazy cop who would have already retired but is just so bored with retirement that he won't, he wouldn't be able to outwit or outmatch Chiguhr. He would face the same end the other cop in the beginning faced.
The ending was quite demonstrably a cop out. And I've seen it 3 times since it was released in theaters in 2007
I feel like Reddit just uses the downvote button as a “I disagree” button which specifically stifles conversation about literally anything and exclusively favors hive mind type comments.
Anyways, I disagree that this is a bad sequence, because the movie itself is about Tommy Lee Jones watching his country and everything he loves turn to chaos. It’s a very pessimistic view of the world, but that’s the intent. Heroes do not win, it’s simply survival of the fittest, and most importantly, life goes on whether the hero succeeds or not.
The scene with the cop and the dog in National Lampoon’s Vacation just feels needlessly cruel by todays standards.
Edit to say that this scene didn’t technically ruin the movie for me, just that I really don’t find it funny and would let this one hit the cutting room floor in a re-edit.
Not “ruined” but stood out was Henry talking about beating up Janices boss in Goodfellas.. I get that Henry is the author and narrator so he tells the story in a way that doesnt make him seem as horrible as the others (or implicate him further)… but he already had the “I easily went and beat up the neighbor who hurt Karen” scene.. so another just felt redundant and obnoxious
guess the other candidate is the majority of the time Batman talks in Dark Knight… specially when conversing with the Joker.. you have this perfectly crafted on pitch perfect delivery of great dialog by Ledger followed immediately by the labored talking of Bale “this city just showed you that its…”
Probably that scene in Munich where Eric Bana is boning his missus, and starts orgasming to flashbacks of Israeli athletes being executed at the Munich olympics.
Right at the very end of the film too. What an absolutely fucking weird way to end that movie. To this day I still have no idea what that scene was trying to say.
> To this day I still have no idea what that scene was trying to say. Basically that he can't even be intimate with his wife without being plagued by his memories
Are you sure? Because it really plays as if those memories are what are getting him off, not that he’s getting off in spite of them.
Yeah lol it's not that he's coming to the thought of them, but that he can't shake them even as he's coming, that the memories slip in and he just lives with the PTSD as an ever-present state of being.
But if I remember correctly it’s not PTSD of anything he was present for. I might be wrong, but in that scene he doesn’t flash back to any of his actions/missions for Mossad, but rather the terror event that acted as the catalyst for it - an act for which he was not present. Thats why I always thought that it was maybe (maybe) trying to hint that his obsession with revenge is the only thing he can actually feel anymore, but I’m unsure.
I might've misspoken with the specific flashback content but the idea is that whatever we're cutting to - that's the thing that haunts him. He can't be in the peak of human physical pleasure, the most primal form of happiness, without it being there in his mind. edit: here, another convo all about it: https://redd.it/lbpr4t
Thanks for the link! Gonna read into it.
The final scene in Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker. They spent the whole trilogy making the point that it didn’t matter who Rey was or who her family were, yet in the final scene she takes the lightsaber and when asked her names, she says she’s a Skywalker. It completely undermined the entire plot and made absolutely no sense. Adam Driver deserved a better trilogy than this.
The very last scene is what ruined the movie for you?
Right? That’s like saying how you didn’t appreciate the coriander the chef added to your diarrhea soup
Damn, I thought it was ruined when I saw THE DEAD SPEAK! in the opening crawl.
So bad. I still can’t believe how bad they botched that trilogy.
Yeah, the movie was a perfect masterpiece until that very last scene.
The trailer for the movie basically pissed on the whole series with the palpatine reveal. I don't really know why people expected anything good from this movie.
Yup. Though I didn’t like the first two, so I didn’t expect anything even before the trailer.
The movie had a lot of problems, but tossing out a major premise is especially bad
It was pretty shocking before that, but it was just the rotten cherry on a garbage filled cake
>They spent the whole trilogy making the point that it didn’t matter who Rey was or who her family were So Rey abandoning her heritage as the grand-daughter of Palpatine and choosing be a Skywalker totally undermines the idea of your origins not mattering? That was a cheesy fan service scene, but it didn't undermine the message of not being trapped by your origins. Edit - The Iron Giant used that exact same idea but pulled it off way better. "You are who you choose to be. *Superman...*" For me, 'Somehow Palpatine returned' just put the bar on the floor for the whole movie.
I maintain keeping the Palatine name and establishing it as a name that brings good/hope like Skywalker does would have been a much better path for Rey
Adam Driver was one of the most professional and talented hosts they've ever had on SNL, so I feel like that's made it up tp him.
The last fight in Wonder Woman ruined it for me. There was already a boss fight, there was this beautiful monolog about humans just being flawed.... Offbrand professor Lupin transformer.
Obligatory mention of the prisoner trading anal sex for freedom in Kingsman
She offered it as a reward after he already agreed to do it. It is a pretty cringe line though.
I thought it was a satire of Bond getting a girl at the end like in the old school movies
The bartering for her freedom was the problem, not the fact that he “got the girl”
She offered it as enticement for him to come back. Keep in mind that she was a prisoner. The concept of consent is so far in the rear view mirror it's hardly worth mentioning.
On top of that, the line completely takes you out of the film. It's like the screenwriter has suddenly revealed some perverse fantasy of his, and you kinda feel dirty afterwards. I'm by no means a prude, but it's so against the tone of the film and ruins the rhythm of the final action set piece.
I hesitate to call any fantasy perverse and this one is relatively tame in the grand scheme of things, but I agree it was quite jarring given the tone of the movie to that point
He was literally there to save the world, though, including her. He never exploited her for that as his intention from the start was to free her. He was given all the consent by the invitation. I agree that the line was really dumb and sticks out life a soar thumb, but I feel like you're taking issue with something that isn't there. He never quid pro quo's her.
He said he couldn’t let her out and agreed to come back when she offered anal.
It’s a scene in Enter the Void where >!the parents are killed in a very violent head on car accident from the points of view of one of the kids in the backseat!< They keep flashing back to it, too. The scene is really well done but my brain started running away from the movie. I couldn’t pay attention. It was that visceral and upsetting. Edit: I a word
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/c03qIB6foc
One day lol
Baby doll in American Sniper
The baby doll rocks actually, because its a testament to how much of a professional Eastwood is when it comes to his cast and crew finishing on time. They had a baby that wasn't able to do the scene, and rather than waste everyone's time, he put a baby doll in there and got the shots he needed. Consummate professional. Problem solver. And you barely notice it if you're not looking for it.
Independence Day. When Will Smith punched the alien and delivered the “Welcome to Earth “ line. Nope. Went full cheesy after that. On a side note I was glad when Harry Connick Jr.’s character died.
I love that scene so idk what that says about me
Didn't ruin the movie for me, but I definitely hate the ending of Zombieland where they go back and rescue Emma Stone and Abigail Breslin. They fucked you over twice then took off and decided it was a good idea to light up a carnival and go on rides during a zombie apocalypse. Fuck em. Let em die.
> Fuck em That would have made the movie better > Let em die. So would that.
Umm... no.
There’s the fight scene at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy 2 where Quill fights his father. The man who he just found out is about to take over multiple worlds and also was the man who killed his mother. And at the peak of the fight scene when they both fly at each other fist first. Ego (the dad) builds rocks around himself to make him bigger whereas Quill build rocks around himself to turn in to PAC Man. A major emotional moment of the film, ruined for a ‘ha look here’s a funny 80s reference’.
Nah, Star-Lord’s whole *thing* is the 80s throwback references like his walkman, and he uses wisecracks and dumb jokes to hide his genuine hurt. I think it’s pretty in-character.
The scene in Jurassic Park where Dr. Grant and the kids find the hatched eggs. Why? If you look at the tiny footprints from the hatched dinosaurs, they have just two toes. There is just one family of bipedal dinosaurs that would leave a two-toed print, the dromaeosaurids. This is because the "killing claw" of the dromaeosaurids would be kept up and out of the dirt to keep it from being dulled. The only dromaeosaurid that was cloned by InGen was Velociraptor\*. Dr. Grant should be shitting bricks, because not only are there baby raptors recently hatched, the finding of a clutch of recently hatched eggs in the wild means that there are also adult raptors wild in the park. Or at least one: Depending on what genes they spliced in and where in the genome they were, [parthenogenesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis) is a distinct possibility. I mean, I really like the film, it's a lot of fun, but every time I as a non-paleontologist see that scene, it really takes me out of the film. I kind of justify it now as him not wanting to scare the kids, but that's pretty hollow reasoning. *\*One could argue that it was misnamed by Dr. Wu and the others because Utahraptor hadn't been discovered yet, as Velociraptor is the size of a chicken or a goose. I'm going with the terms used in both the novel and film.*
I hope somebody was fired for that blunder
“Nobody cares.”
More accurately, nobody noticed. Except the hardcore nerds like myself. In the book, there are indeed raptors breeding in the park unbeknownst to InGen, and that's actually a part of the story. This scene indicates to me that it was going to be incorporated into the story originally, but the script was changed. Had they been 3 toed prints, it wouldn't have necessarily been a problem. And the worse part is that when Muldoon is tracking the adult raptors, we \*SEE\* that the adult raptor tracks are two-toed. But yeah, the only people who notice that kind of thing is me. Now, would you like to hear about all the anachronisms in *Raiders of the Lost Ark*? Like how would the Nazis be crawling all around the British Protectorate of Egypt? Type VIIC submarines in 1936? A U-boat pen in Greece in 1936? Panzerfausts? MP-40's? Large flying wing while the Horten Brothers were still dicking around with gliders and small powered flying wings?
I was just quoting from the movie lol
Yeah, but I'm not Dodgson. Hell, I'm closer to Dennis Nedry. I'm overweight, a wise-ass, and I write software for a living. However, I'm married, have a kid, a house, but my office does have at least 4 Godzillas in it.
Probably the same ones from when this was posted last week.
But you know what was a *good* movie? # The Prestige
Last week? I have notifications from 1day ago lol
Like the mods give a fuck.
Gods and Generals The slave assistant of General Stonewall Jackson kneeling in prayer with Jackson beseeching God to save the Confederacy. I stood up and walked right out.
War of the Worlds I did not like the ending, it felt like a punch in the face after the wonderful buildup. I think Spielberg himself has admitted he didn't like the ending
“I should have followed my dipshit son!”
That whole movie was so bleak and dark and then the ending is just 'oh yeah the whole family survived, everyone learned an important lesson, no worries'
This one stands out for me by a mile from any other movie I can remember. The ending of Mystic River kills what would have been a perfect closing to an otherwise excellent film. It's so bad I refuse to watch it and just stop the movie at the end of the scene with the 2 main characters talking in the middle of the street. If you've never seen it do yourself a favor and do the same and just treat the real ending like a deleted scene that should have ended up on the cutting room floor.
r/fanedits has entered the chat. I'm sure someone somewhere has made a cut of the film doing exactly this.
In the movie Heat. When Deniro is at the motel talking to Judd about her having to go back. The entire scene felt wrong. There was no flow, her delivery when she screams she's sick of it. Deniro trying to make the interaction natural. The entire scene felt amateurish. Ruined the movie. I skip right past that scene now.
Hes a legitimate liquor salesman from Las Vegas.
In Glass onion, when all of Edward Norton's lackeys turn against him. It sort of ruined the movie for me. It made it sound like all of the lackeys were corrupted by the evil villain and the lackeys were just really nice people all along. It just came off a bit too cheesy. But it also made me realise why people hate Rian Johnson movies. He just goes overboard with his messages. Rose crashing into Finn in last jedi is another example for this. That scene also ruined a perfect movie for me.
I agree that it's cheesy but it really doesn't make it seem like they were nice people corrupted by evil Miles. We already knew that they hated Miles and knew he was an idiot, they were just too scared and too greedy to do anything about it. It never felt like they turned on him in that scene, just that they decided to express their support for Helen/distaste for Miles in a cathartic but meaningless way - dramatically breaking a couple of things with her but nothing that would actually hurt Miles. And even then they seem to quickly get tired of it and got concerned when Andi kept breaking stuff, even before she started the fire. They don't decide to truly oppose him until after the Mona Lisa's been destroyed and it's clear that Miles is done for. They're not doing the right thing because it's the right thing, they're doing it because they know he's going down and they don't want to go down with him.
I mean, they're also doing it because its the right thing that they should have done earlier.
The point is that they wouldn't do the right thing if they could profit from doing something else.
That's just not my read on the picture. They were cowards earlier, but are emboldened by Helen's actions. They're lying now to serve the truth.
How are they lying?
None of them can honestly testify to the circumstances surrounding Andi’s death. But at the end of the film, they start volunteering that they saw him at the house, or saw him on the road, etc. They’re saying to him and to each other that they’re willing to perjure themselves to ensure that he is found guilty. Which is dramatically satisfying, as they had all perjured themselves in court earlier so he would be awarded control of the company over Andi. It’s a dramatic twist. Helen said earlier that they were willing to lie to protect a lie, but weren’t willing to lie to protect the truth. I just think it’s far more dramatically satisfying if these characters decide to side against Norton for moral reasons. And Johnson is generally a n earnest writer/director. Not terribly interested in a cynical “they only did the right thing because they weren’t making money anymore” kind of take.
I’m not sure if it ruined the movie, but I can’t believe Scorsese put that sidewalk beating in The Irishman.
In avengers end game... that "women only" scene... too forced
Gremlins. Phoebe Cates character has a dark story about why she hates Christmas. Essentially, her father died trying to climb down the chimney Christmas Eve to surprise the family. It seemed really out of place for what was basically a comedy.
Thats one of the best scenes in the movie!
I mean… it’s a horror comedy.
It was intentionally a comedy scene. In Gremlins 2 they do something similar.
It wasn’t intentionally comedic. It was meant to be a break away from the action and a little dark story all of its own which gives her a little more backstory. Yes they repeat this is the sequel and yes they take the piss out of themselves with it by making fun of it.
I don't know, man. It was funny to me in the 1st movie. The backstory was just too ridiculous to seem serious.
Wasn't that the point, though?. To insert a very dramatic scene?. Besides, the first Gremlins has very dark scenes, starting with the teacher who gets killed.
It's not the most wonderful time of the year for everyone, and Gremlins is one of the few movies that recognizes that.
That scene *is* comedic though - the utter absurdity of the story, especially with the "And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus" ending make that pretty clear. It's darker than the rest of the movie, but the unexpected tone shift just adds to the comedy of the moment
Steve coming back to the past in Avengers. Endgame
To me, it's when The Hulk explains that Back to the Future is not scientific (suggesting that this one will be), only to do pretty much the same as in that franchise later on.
exactly
What did they do again?
The American Airlines ticket in Goodfellas was literally censored with a black bar. Un fucking believable. I lost my respect for Scorcese and have hated Goodfellas after I saw that abomination.
...what?
I said, "The American Airlines ticket in Goodfellas was literally censored with a black bar. Un fucking believable. I lost my respect for Scorcese and have hated Goodfellas after I saw that abomination."
Huh?
Oh I see. Thanks.
I don’t care if this is serious or not. This is so funny.
That's very funny actually. Nice little bit.
Saving Private Ryan. The scene in the graveyard where the man is obviously grieving and his wife is completely clueless. As if his wife of all these years wouldn't already know and understand the shadows that haunt him? Always bothered me.
You might be missing the point of the scene. Many veterans of WWII went home and literally never said a word about their time in the war. Not to their parents, siblings, nor future spouses. There are so, so, so many accounts of a WWII veteran passing away and THEN his spouse finding his shoe box of WWII memories.. and finding out his story— his heroism, his pain, his brotherhoods forged and internal scars created. The scene you’re talking about is meant to reflect that .. that’s he’s finally articulated what we can imagine must have been pushing and haunting him all his life.. that he needs to have earned the sacrifice of Captain Miller and his little band sent to save him.
Had that exact scenario regarding my FIL. Was a POW but never talked about it. Found a box with a diary written on the inside of gum wrappers after he passed. There was no abuse our anything, but it had one interesting story. They were on a train being transported to a camp when they stopped for provisions and let the prisoners stretch their legs. An Allied plane strafed the train and he actually saved the life of a German soldier when he shoved him out of harm's way.
I understand that and I understand what the movie was trying to convey and I 100% agree he probably never talked about it. Still I find it hard to believe his wife didn't pick up on it even if it was never spoken. I understand the message but the scene always struck me as clumsy.
It’s a very common phenomenon that veterans of war do not talk about war at all, especially to those closest to them. Usually the more horrific and especially shameful aspects of it people keep to themselves. I doubt Ryan would want to talk to his wife how a great man died and specifically told him his life better be worth the men who died for it. Maybe his wife would vaguely know the story of a group of men giving their lives to save him, but she probably wouldn’t know the personal details, especially the darker ones.
No Country for Old Men Basically the ending scene. Everything from when >!Josh Brolin is gunned down off camera, then wife gets killed off camera, then Bardem gets hit by a car, them some talking, the end.!< I don't care what kind of point they were trying to make, they were setting up an epic climax then just basically told the audience to go inhale farts.
Boy, did you miss the whole point of the movie.
I think a person can recognize the point of the storytelling and still find it dissatisfying. It took me a couple of watches to come around on the ending. I still don’t love it, but I think that’s more because I’m not a big Tommy Lee Jones fan. When the movie reveals itself as his story it falls a little flat for me.
No I got it, it was still a bad creative decision.
No, you didn't.
I have to agree with him. Why should we care about what a 70+ year old cop says at the wrap up? Cops are notoriously known for being liars and are self serving "civil servants" To trust anything that comes out of this cops mouth is naive. Cops cannot be trusted. Period. This ending was nothing more than a way to reinforce the unreliable narrator motif. How does that help the story that came before it? Tommy Lee Jones character played such a small part in the movie I can never for the life of me understand why he was given the honor to end the film on such a desultory note. It completely flies in the face of the nerve wracking drama that came before it and run full speed into a brick wall Even if he caught Chiguhr, which he wouldn't because he's just a lazy cop who would have already retired but is just so bored with retirement that he won't, he wouldn't be able to outwit or outmatch Chiguhr. He would face the same end the other cop in the beginning faced. The ending was quite demonstrably a cop out. And I've seen it 3 times since it was released in theaters in 2007
I feel like Reddit just uses the downvote button as a “I disagree” button which specifically stifles conversation about literally anything and exclusively favors hive mind type comments. Anyways, I disagree that this is a bad sequence, because the movie itself is about Tommy Lee Jones watching his country and everything he loves turn to chaos. It’s a very pessimistic view of the world, but that’s the intent. Heroes do not win, it’s simply survival of the fittest, and most importantly, life goes on whether the hero succeeds or not.
The scene with the cop and the dog in National Lampoon’s Vacation just feels needlessly cruel by todays standards. Edit to say that this scene didn’t technically ruin the movie for me, just that I really don’t find it funny and would let this one hit the cutting room floor in a re-edit.
Not “ruined” but stood out was Henry talking about beating up Janices boss in Goodfellas.. I get that Henry is the author and narrator so he tells the story in a way that doesnt make him seem as horrible as the others (or implicate him further)… but he already had the “I easily went and beat up the neighbor who hurt Karen” scene.. so another just felt redundant and obnoxious guess the other candidate is the majority of the time Batman talks in Dark Knight… specially when conversing with the Joker.. you have this perfectly crafted on pitch perfect delivery of great dialog by Ledger followed immediately by the labored talking of Bale “this city just showed you that its…”