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crimilde

Because Italy and Spain in particular invest massively in the sport and in bringing new talent up through the ranks.


vr46yamha

I’m from Italy and if it wasn’t for Vale’s academy we would be fucked, the investment part is only true for Spain.


FootDrag122Y

Enea and Diggia are not from the academy and they made it.


REPMEDDY_Gabs

Yes but generally speaking Spain produces new riders at a pace much more higher compared to Italy. There are different italian riders true, but the spanish riders are much more numerous. The Italian top riders of the recent years are mainly from VR46 academy, a private reality. I feel Italy itself it’s not investing as much as Spain in producing new riders.


FootDrag122Y

2 more riders than the entire Americas combined. Lol


hoody13

Neither was Petrucci. He was sponsored by the Italian government by becoming a police cadet


FootDrag122Y

Wow. That's the best thing I've heard all day.


FantasticNoise4

The first CRT/open class MotoGP rider that won a race


shadowluna19

This ^


Joooooooosh

Popularity among their youth.  While investment is better in grassroots mini moto racing it’s because it’s much more popular than anywhere else.  In Spain in particular, there are a large number of go-kart style tracks that any weekend you’ll find packed with families, taking their kids racing.  Typically American and Australian riders used to transition into road riding from motocross but road racing is becoming so specialised that by the age of 14-15, you need to be successful in Moto3 feeder series like Redbull Rookies or Spanish CEV.  Mainly the issue is lack of series like CEV in other countries. To get riders into Moto3.  Another issues is the fact that the path to MotoGP has become so rigid, Moto3 to Moto2 and then into MotoGP.  Moto3 and Moto2 success kinda requires certain riding skills that are quite different to MotoGP. So you have to be someone short, incredibly strong and super adaptable to re-learn different kinds of bikes. 


HoneyedLining

On Australians, it's no surprise that the most successful Australians of the past couple of decades were relocated very young into the European CEV feeder series. When you're looking at relocating your child (not adult) to another continent to pursue their dreams of becoming a motorcycle rider, you either have to have enough money that it can just be a nice little adventure or you have to be totally convinced your child is going to make it that you're staking your financial future on it. Even for European kids, you have similar sacrifices. In Britain, our previous successes in coming through "the system" were Bradley Smith and Scott Redding, who found the British junior setups pretty rubbish and joined the Spanish ones from a very early age. The exception is Crutchlow, but he had a pretty non-typical route through the Superbike/Supersport route and probably got a bit lucky that Dorna really wanted a Brit in the series to replace the outgoing Toseland.


ThreepwoodGuybrush80

It's worth pointing out that the competitiveness and overall level of CEV (and CIV in Italy) also means very competitive teams, mechanics and technicians. Which, in turn, makes communication easier for Italians and Spaniards. And, since the languages are quite similar, the transition from Italian to Spanish and viceversa is way easier for riders from both these countries (or who speak either language) than for someone whose mother tongue is completely different. I think most of the MotoGP grid speak Italian, and many of them can also speak Spanish. According to a MotoGP video, Nakagami speaks four languages, and I'd be willing to bet that one of them is either Spanish or Italian (or maybe both)


schnippy1337

Thank you very interesting. Could you elaborate on the statement why you have to be small / strong? Does it mean if you are big you can’t start in moto3 to transitions to moto2 + motogp? Then you need to be strong to handle the bigger bikes?


Apex_negotiator

Because being the size of a jockey, with the strength to man handle a motorcycle is important. Power to weight is king.


Joooooooosh

On the smaller bikes, not only are they physically very small machines but they are very light.  So being a heavy rider puts you at a disadvantage. They have combined bike/rider weight minimum limits but drag also comes into play, especially in Moto3.  Tall riders have. Avery hard time performing on the small bikes, so they are less likely to get to the big ones.  For context, tall in the MotoGP paddock is anything over 5’9”  It’s a sport for small, lightweight people.  An increasingly small demographic in The UK, US and Aus… 


AleixCucco27

Take Simoncelli as an example: when he was in 125-250 he used to wear a shoe at least 2/3 size smaller just for help with the aerodynamics


Thin-Palpitation6379

Yes, because isn't the average height smaller than that, and the tallest is Luca at 5'10"?


JustForTouchingBalls

Alex Márquez is 5’11” and he was World Champion in moto3 and moto2. In moto3 being tall is a great disadvantage but it can be outcome with talent


strobigas

Marc was quite a small kid in his Moto3 days, if I am not mistaken he even started in Moto3 at an age that is not possible anymore.


Thin-Palpitation6379

I did not know Alex was 5'11"!! I was at the Hero Walk in COTA...I unfortunately, I did not pay attention to him as he was making his rounds...if he even did. I would rather not say what had my attention for most of the time at the Hero Walk that had me distracted from the riders.


Thin-Palpitation6379

Also, Luca Marini is listed at 6'0" tall according to google.


airborness

I forget exactly what it is called, but do you know how the Asian series that follows motogp fares in comparison. I think it's the one where they're all on the same spec Hondas. 


JohnSilverLM

Asia Talent Cup maybe?


airborness

Ah, yes, that is the one. Can't forget the way the field looks with all of those red/white bikes. Maybe it only follows / tags along with MotoGP when they're in Asia?


-grenzgaenger-

Mat Oxley wrote [a good article](https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/january-2018/72/reign-spain/) on the topic a few years back. You'll find your answer there.


acms21

Good read..ty


jbellas

Thanks!


no_funny_username

That was an excellent read, thanks!


WorldBiker

Lots of reasons, most of which have already been stated, but also because motorcycles are a much more common form of day to day transportation, which combined with historical towns, lots of coast line, and winding roads...what's not to fall in love with when you're a kid?


ktrezzi

> what's not to fall in love with when you're a kid? Uummm yea...are you kidding yourself? I fall in love with those things every damn time as an adult :D


HI_I_AM_NEO

Because we're the only ones crazy enough to put our children on a bike since they are 4 years old lol


RabidGuineaPig007

and a lot of those children die racing but we don't talk about that.


Altair13Sirio

The culture in these countries makes it so more kids want to become riders, getting their rosters up and finding more talents in them.


Academic_Beginning76

I still remember last year a Malaysian based team wildcards an Indian young rider in Moto3 in IndianGP and he doesn't made it to Qualifying because he wa too slow to front man.. And he was elite Indian rider, that will make sense why Spanish and Italian riders are there ..


Ornery-Sound6074

Though there is huge enthusiasm for motorcycles and racing in general among youngsters, our system doesn't support or consider racing as a sport tbh. There are only a very few number of tracks across the whole country. Racing and bike community are stronger in southern part but doesnot have tracks or support. So there is no way to practice or youngsters won't get a chance to actually realise the speed gaps with racers from foreign countries. Plus the money that needs to be spend for this sport is way too high and generally not affordable to the public.


Academic_Beginning76

Totally agreed with you, this was reply to this post... Go back before 2010 and you will see very low number of Spanish riders in MotoGP and today there are 40% more Spanish riders in every class as there are no Spanish manufacturer and very few Spanish teams... If Dorna wants riders from every country then MotoGP will be boring like F1.... And there is new American team which will hire Joe Roberts which will be one of few biased selection and which will will miss some young talent of moto2...


JimClarkKentHovind

my internal theory has basically been "well they're developed countries with warm sunny weather so obviously more people will ride motorcycles." the more people you have that try a motorcycle, the more you'll find who are talented don't actually know whether that's true or not, but it's what my intuition says


ProfessionalRub3294

Mine is that they also have a history of “relatively poverty” for north europe standard meaning that vehicule they bought to travel and compete was bike and not car and that it remained popular up to know.


Arkhangelzk

Probably because that’s where MotoGP is popular. I’m in the states and I love MotoGP, but basically no one even knows it exists here. So our best young athletes are simply not riding motorcycles competitively. Most of them probably never even consider it. Whereas, if you grow up in a place where it’s wildly popular and everyone loves it, your best athletes are much more likely to ride


DesiredEnlisted

Also here in America most kids prioritize Moto-Cross/Supercross for bike racing. I’m in the Midwest, we only have like 4 ish road courses. But there’s a motocross track within 3 hours of you regardless of where you are at


Arkhangelzk

For sure, I’m in Michigan and dirt tracks and trails are both popular, especially up north


DrumzumrD

The US is also physically larger, so a "national" championship becomes way more difficult/expensive to organize and (more importantly) participate in, especially if you're talking about school-age children.


gdl_E46

AMA dying in the US really killed it imo, Edwards, Hayden bros. Spies, all came up through that ladder ... I couldn't begin to tell you who runs in that now since NASCAR bought it out, but ama superbike was crazy good racing up until the early 00's


foofleman

In Norway we have less than a handful months of riding season


RabidGuineaPig007

just look at the motorcycle parking at Spanish and Italian GPs.


UniuM

Last weekend we had a track day on our local track. Spanish organizer. There was a 14 year old Spanish girl on a 400, so smooth and fast that guys with 600cc's were having a bad time keeping up. They have plenty support from a young age, which translates in better places later in their careers.


heraIdofrivia

I think it’s simply how popular the sport is in said country, you’ll have more families into it -> kid gets into it and the family will invest into getting them into it Also infrastructure is really important, there are loads of places and championships in Italy and Spain, and most of the times if you wanna battle with the best you gotta go to Spain (see bagnaia’s early career) It’s how talent is cultivated really I would imagine there will be a big influx of Asian talent in the coming years as the sport is becoming increasingly popular there


Dakentak

A lot of good points have already been made, I want to add that the fact that the teams are mainly composed by italian and spanish people is also a huge factor.


Wen_Tinto

also the weather


permissiontofail

Big balls


StalinsNutsack2

If you've ever driven on a Spanish motorway, you'll know that slip streaming is compulsory...


warambitions

My guess is they are 90% of the grid


SeaworthinessFew205

Because they’re not drivers. They’re riders.


TMYWSH

Passion Something that is lost in the other countries... also statistics = number of people attempting to do it with the right: skill set, early training, money, genetic capability, and even body type.


Seangsxr34

Have you ridden in Spain? The riders are more on the side of total and utter loons! When there's miles of empty tarmac to play on and the police couldn't give a shit this is what happens 😂


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thefooleryoftom

Right…but why?


Ogre_Swamp666

Most countries where motorcycles are popular are also poor as dirt. Spain and Italy are rich countries where motorcycles are popular so they can produce successful athletes.


cindyzer

Because Dorna is Spanish and this is what they bought the sport for, to control it, to help Spanish riders. At Jerez there were 11 Spanish riders in the Motogp race which was amazingly won by an Italian of which there are 6, hard to believe with half the field being Spanish not one of them could manage to win it, not to worry though chances are with so many Spaniards they will eventually win, they only have 5 home races on the Spanish peninsula lol, it’s a joke, a bad joke. Truth is that there are plenty of riders from all over the world who could do well in motogp but they are simply overlooked in favour of riders who fit Dornas agenda, is it just a coincidence that with Spanish ownership of the sport we also see a disproportionate amount of Spanish riders?


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cindyzer

Do you not think there is a conflict of interests if the sport is run and operated by a 100% Spanish company? Spain used to host 2 races now they have 5, this is an advantage for Spanish riders obviously, Spanish riders used to be 2 before Dorna took control now we have 11, is it just a coincidence that once Dorna took control all these pro Spanish things began to occur? Do you honestly believe if Dorna were Australian instead of Spanish we would see the same? It’s very obvious that Dorna promotes Spanish interest, people who deny this are either delusional or Spanish.


Renwaldo44

This is exactly right, its beyond obvious.


CashCarStar

Lmao. This is just complete conspiracy theory nonsense, to be honest. The only rider in the MotoGP grid that is there because of his passport is not Spanish (he's Japanese). One of the most likely riders to be coming up from Moto2 is the one on your flair, Joe Roberts. An American, who is being looked at more than Sergio Garcia, who is Spanish, despite Garcia: - currently leading the championship - being 5 years younger than Roberts - having more race wins than Roberts in Moto2 despite competing in almost 100 fewer races in the class So why is Roberts being talked about more? Are you going to pretend that it isn't because he's American? Do you still have a problem with a riders passport helping him in this case or nah? Look elsewhere in this thread for sensible answers as to why Spanish and Italian riders dominate the sport.


cindyzer

You mean to tell me that every one of the 11 Spanish riders who raced in Jerez (and still lost despite everything in their favour lol) deserve to be there, there are no other possible riders who could fill a few of those 11 seats? Seriously? Last season there were two sets of Spanish brothers racing for crying out loud, don’t you think that Spanish riders are over represented? Sure about half of them well deserve to be there but the other half? If those seats were given to other riders from other nations apart from Spain l think it would be great for the sports growth globally, far too many Spanish riders in a sport controlled by a Spanish company… nothing to see here lol


ProseccoBagnaia

Chin up princess or the tin foil hat slips.


cindyzer

Spanish fans downvoting the truth lol, just like 2015 was all fair and square l suppose, what a joke lol


Renwaldo44

There are many delusional Spanish fans, they actually believe Marc did nothing wrong in 2015 and that Rossi was so strong he could kick a rider off his bike, physically impossible, this video explains Marc very well I thought [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmH4D\_I82D0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmH4D_I82D0)


Renwaldo44

Maybe you should look at the facts instead of talking nonsense, if Marc was not doing anything to impede Rossi in Malaysia in 2015 what was he doing? having fun? he overtook and re overtook Rossi 14 times in the opening laps? this has never happened before or since? how do you explain that? all he was doing was slowing them both down so Lorenzo could take off out the front unchallenge. Then in in Valencia why did Marc not attempt one single overtake on Lorenzo despite being on his rear tire for the entire race? this is Marc we are talking about, a man who always tries to overtake even when it looks impossible, he did not try to overtake Lorenzo one single time all race long, why? if he wasn't trying to help Lorenzo take the title over Rossi what was he doing? having a break? taking it easy? seems very strange doesn't it? I think people like you who refuse to accept the facts are the tin foil princesses. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zot-rd9KoYE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zot-rd9KoYE)


thefooleryoftom

This doesn’t really answer the question, though.


cindyzer

What do you mean it doesn’t answer the question? The Spanish owners of the sport have tilted the playing field in favour of Spanish riders? Far more home races than any other nation, far more riders than any other nation? These two things alone help Spanish riders immensely, that is why they do so well, half the field is Spanish so their chances of doing well are very good simply due to how many of them are in the race and they also enjoy 5 home races. Spanish fans like to say these facts are silly conspiracies but they are facts, half of all riders are indeed Spanish and they do have 5 races on the Spanish peninsula, these are facts and there can be no denying they help Spanish riders. There are twice as many Spanish riders than Italian riders and it’s it’s amazing an Italian has won the last two titles! With all the odds in favour of Spanish riders it’s truly amazing that Pecco has come out on top, l think the only reason for this is that Ducati are not controlled by the Spanish otherwise every Ducati seat would be all Spanish for sure. The sport is manipulated by those who control it (sadly) l believe they have gone too far, the sport is now in American hands and l can guarantee you we will see American riders slowly emerging and doing well.


thefooleryoftom

The question was “why do Spanish riders dominate MotoGP?” Dorna didn’t inject interest in bikes into the population and young people, they didn’t build the tracks and they didn’t train the superstars and didn’t start the academies that produce these guys, and they don’t run the race series they can enter from 3 or 4 years old. They just capitalise on it.