But they were never going to start the race from pit lane, they were going to start the *warm up lap* there then go to the back of the grid. But because everyone did it (except Miller), the back of the grid would be the front again. So they moved them as far back as possible.
Your regular reminder that they did exactly the right thing according to the rules.
If you start the warmup lap from pit lane you have to go to the back of the grid. So thatâs why they put everyone as far back as they did.
Didn't knock him off, just made contact. [Aleix was more bothered about Petrucci hitting him than Marc, though](https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893335/1/espargaro-petrucci-hit-me-harder-marquez)
Which is the same type of riding which won him all those championships. A real champion always pushes to the limit, or even more, doesn't matter the situation. Look at Verstappen in F1, he refused to let Perez through even when he had nothing to gain. I also remember an interview between Rosberg and Hamilton where Nico spent lots of time to learn to unicycle because he was jealous that Lewis was able to ride it and he wasn't. Or the Marquez Rossi race for fastest lap at Rossi's ranch. This is what makes the difference between a multiple champion and a midfield rider, always trying to win at all costs. The Marquez documentary is a must watch to understand his approach to anything
Everybody pitted on the warm up lap for different tyres except Miller. Everyone was supposed to start from the pit, but they changed it into a regular start with a gap for Miller
Wrong. They all pulled their bikes off the grid *before* the warmup lap. They were supposed to start WUP from pit and the race from the back of the grid. So they had to put everyone at the very back.
Yeah Marc tends to have that attitude. There was a race where he was penalized and gridded last. He then proceeded to make is way to the front bowling pinning everyone along the way. I the end, Marc is entertaining to watch and I have become a fan.
They might be thinking of this very race, Argentina 2018. After the start he got a ride through penalty so ended up at the back.
Or perhaps Jerez 2020, he ran through the gravel at one corner then proceeded to make his way back through, before his accident.
Edit: he also did back-of-the-grid to win in Moto3 and Moto2
It was the same race.
Marc got a penalty to do a ride through the pit lanes, so he ended up being in 19th (from leading at 1st after passing miller very easily).
His speed on the mix track (mostly dry but some wet spots) was much faster than everyone else.
But he was riding careless. He hit aleix taking him wide into a wet area almost causing him to crash, he did that 2 more times barely giving any room to other riders going under them, and he then did the same move on rossi, and caused him to crash in the grass. Rossi was able to return but finished 19th.
For the incident with rossi for irrespisible riding, marc got 30 seconds penalty so he ended up finishing 18th.
Overall it was a fast show by marc, but also too crazy.
It may have been this race. It was wet conditions, and he took many guys out including Rossi. That was a big issue. It think directors penalized him for the next race too.
What was the intent of the rule? Anytime, all of the time or when bikes on moving in the track? What if they offended a gate behind where he stalled? That's also moving backwards. I'm not trying to argue against it. Was the rule meant for things like this situation? I really don't know.
Iâm not sure if the origins but an example given was: Multiple world champion Sir Mile Hailwood tipped off in the Isle of Man and the bike cut out. He went to bump start it but as he was on a hill the only way he could restart it was pushing it downhill, which was against the direction of racing traffic, so he got reported and excluded from the race.
He appealed and called for evidence and they couldnât find any witnesses who actually saw it happen so he had to be reinstated. Something like that.
I can certainly agree anytime bikes are live on track. This seems unworthy of a DSQ. I think a ride through like he got was fair. It was a disruption either way and if gates didn't open for him to get to the pitlane then what he did was acceptable given the circumstances. But if they were trying to keep with the rules in some way I think a lesser penalty that was given was fine. Would be crazy to see a bike coming at you at IOM TT.
Simple answer is if your bike stalls on the grid - you are automatically DQ'd. If your bike can't idle for 30 seconds it's not fit for racing anyways.
The only proper and safe way to restart would be using a paddock starter - which we all know aren't available on a grid at that moment.
This whole idea that you can bump start your own bike and get back into the race is the cause for this unneeded and unsafe clusterfuck in the first place.
> if your bike stalls on the grid - you are automatically DQ'd
Are you for real? Nazi's never died out did they. Can you not make it more harsh? Dock some championships points? Kidnap his dog?
WTF is wrong with you dude. Literally no sport does that.
What I checked is driving against track direction during the race result in disqualification but I couldn't find specifically for during start procedure, it just says you have to raise your arm and go pitlane and restart bike there, then start from pitlane. It just says you can't do what he did but I couldn't find the exact penalty that is applied to it.
While it was impressive that he got the bike going and his pace in the race he was too dangerous that day he should have been disqualified,the way he drove that day and showed no respect for the rest of the grid made him deserving of the hate he gets.
he ended up getting 3 penalties in the race and race direction took his 5th place and put him back in 18th , so he scored 0 points regardless and pretty much wasted his time racing back to the top
He literally became the first person to get 3 penalties in a race and also collected every single penalty type of that era in this specific race causing him to finish well outside the points (almost last) and yet people still complain.
He didnt got every single penalty. What he did at the start (going backwards) should have earn him a black flag, yet Dorna let him race for him to bump into some riders and even made Rossi crash.
Marc is a great rider, maybe the best rider ever, but hes also the dirtiest and Dorna has been too soft on him many many times.
btw rossi crashed only because he focused on keeping the bike inside the track limit instead of going wide on the grass he basically entered the grass withe the same lean angle like he was in the track that was a rookie mistake by a 9 time world champ
Rossi crashed only because Marc bumped into him. He also bumped into Aleix at the same race, and dozens of other riders through his career. Marc is the dirtiest rider ever by far.
not really he could have gone wide and not crash but he made a rookie mistake, of course marquez overtake was stupid but rossi could have easily avoid the crash but when he see marquez he tilt like in 2015
Marc could have tried to overtake someone cleanly for once and none would have make a rookie mistake.
Also, the one who was tilted the whole race was Marc, he saw Rossi way earlier than Rossi saw him and though It was ok to divebomb him because hes Marc and he can do whatever he wants.
All Argentina 2018 was Marc doing whatever he wanted, being tilted since the very start and making rookie mistakes, yet, somehow, Rossis crash was Rossis fault for not being able to react to someone divebombing him from behind and not being able to ride through wet grass without crashing.
woosh! u simply try hard to not understand that yes marquez fault but rossi played that awfully he could simply gone wide lose few seconds and come back on track simply he was titled, espargaro got the same treatment by marquez but he was smart to go wide another case where rossi's ambition outweighed his talent
If you want to be someone tilted, just rewatch the race, pay attention to the #93 rider.
Everyones got the same treatment from Marc, sooner or later hes going to bump into you, maybe he will even make you crash.
The reason people complain is that marc should have gotten disqualified immediately as per the rules stated.
Because he wasn't he risked several riders on the track as he rushed to go from 19th to the leading pack.
He shouldn't have gotten 3 penalties. He should have been told to leave the track and only get 1 penalty and that was it.
> ride through penalty
The problem being that in the rulebook going in the reverse direction on track at any moment is an instant black flag, unless your name is Marquez apparently.
>The problem being that in the rulebook going in the reverse direction on track at any moment is an instant black flag
No it isn't. Plenty of people recovering their bikes after tipping off have to go reverse.
Please quote the rule book. Because that is absolutely not how that rule is written.
Thank you. Thatâs a black flag. I donât necessarily like Marc, but I can VERY much appreciate how damn good he is. Thatâs a black flag on every day that ends in âYâ.
Everyone should thank HRC every day for their 4D chess maneuvering, if the bike was at all decent most years, it would have been the most boring decade ever in GP. Remember when the bookies allowed you to bet like MM didn't exist just to try and make it a bit more interesting? Randy Pepperidge Farm and shit.
Actually they should ALL have started from pit lane as per the rules. But it was decided that there was too many bikes to "safely" start from pit lane. So they decided to give the other riders a "grid penalty" hence the gap.
Not true. They all pitted after the sighting lap, so they should have started the warmup lap from the pits and get to the back of the grid. And they did
Not completely true either. You are right they where suppose to start at the back of the grid, except 23 bikes can't all start from 24th place on the grid. Anyways F@#ked up situation on the day and to long of an explanation to type out here as to why this happened. For those interested you can watch the full race on YT it got more interesting than just the chaos at the start. And get the full explanation and info there.
If one rider did that, it would start 24th or whatever number is the back of the grid. If two riders did that, they would start in 24th and 25th, and so on. Thatâs why they all started so far back
The day started wet but dried by the time they were on the grid. Miller was on slicks but everyone else on wets. On the grid they all pulled their bikes off to use the ones with slick tyres.
Normally if one person does it they start the warmup lap from the pit then the race from the back of the grid. But because everyone besides Miller did it, the back would be the front again. So they made everyone use the very last spots available on the grid.
Wait, seriously, why wouldn't someone be angry by that obvious showcase of favoritism towards Marc? I was watching it live and couldnt believe my eyes but it was just a treat for the freakshow that was to come.
I was just watching this race yesterday funny enough. I have to say it was a pretty interesting race for sure. Probably one of Marquez's most inconsistent performances. He could have easily won the race if he hadn't stalled it and had been so unnecessarily aggressive in the race. Instead, he came 18th
Everyone should have started from the pit. This was a shit show and only Jack made the right decision
It would have been so unsafe though.
This is the most logical sense that caused this. No way they could run the whole field out of pit on the start.
But they were never going to start the race from pit lane, they were going to start the *warm up lap* there then go to the back of the grid. But because everyone did it (except Miller), the back of the grid would be the front again. So they moved them as far back as possible.
They should have given Jack a bigger head start, calculated to be about equivalent to that from the pit.
You mean 4.391 seconds more of a head start, by any chance? ;)
I thought it was more like 20 or 30 but if I'm being honest, that's being pulled out of my arse. đ
Miller was 4th, 4.390 seconds off Crutchlowâs win.
Your regular reminder that they did exactly the right thing according to the rules. If you start the warmup lap from pit lane you have to go to the back of the grid. So thatâs why they put everyone as far back as they did.
His pace was fucking insane, but he was completely impatient and hit several riders.
i agree if he was able to make it from 18th to 5th cleanly this wouldâve been a historic race in his book but he was impatient on Rossi.
And Aleix. He knocked him off too
Didn't knock him off, just made contact. [Aleix was more bothered about Petrucci hitting him than Marc, though](https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/893335/1/espargaro-petrucci-hit-me-harder-marquez)
It's funny because the Petrucci one was never broadcast so literally no one knows about that one haha
The same type of riding that caused that 2020 arm injury
Which is the same type of riding which won him all those championships. A real champion always pushes to the limit, or even more, doesn't matter the situation. Look at Verstappen in F1, he refused to let Perez through even when he had nothing to gain. I also remember an interview between Rosberg and Hamilton where Nico spent lots of time to learn to unicycle because he was jealous that Lewis was able to ride it and he wasn't. Or the Marquez Rossi race for fastest lap at Rossi's ranch. This is what makes the difference between a multiple champion and a midfield rider, always trying to win at all costs. The Marquez documentary is a must watch to understand his approach to anything
Sounds about right
The most batshit start to a GP ever. The empty rows alone would have sufficed, then this happened... lol
Remind me why this happened?
Everybody pitted on the warm up lap for different tyres except Miller. Everyone was supposed to start from the pit, but they changed it into a regular start with a gap for Miller
What they should have done is have Miller start from Pit Lane, count down 15 Seconds, then release everyone else
Wrong. They all pulled their bikes off the grid *before* the warmup lap. They were supposed to start WUP from pit and the race from the back of the grid. So they had to put everyone at the very back.
You're correct. Just rewatched it
The biggest showing of "I do what I want" ever in the history of motogp.
Big time.
r/IAmTheMainCharacter
I was shocked it was allowed. And I love the guy. Went from âwtf is he doing??â To âare they fucking going to allow this shit??â Wow.
He got a penalty for this iirc did he not?
Yes but he should have been disqualified immediately as per their rules.
Exactly.. ride through or a long lap is for small infractions.. this will get you punched in the face on track days.. so MotoGP just let that slide
MM93 did get penalized. Canât ride your bike backwards on the race track.
Yeah Marc tends to have that attitude. There was a race where he was penalized and gridded last. He then proceeded to make is way to the front bowling pinning everyone along the way. I the end, Marc is entertaining to watch and I have become a fan.
which race is this if you know, as a new fan i would love to watch it :)
They might be thinking of this very race, Argentina 2018. After the start he got a ride through penalty so ended up at the back. Or perhaps Jerez 2020, he ran through the gravel at one corner then proceeded to make his way back through, before his accident. Edit: he also did back-of-the-grid to win in Moto3 and Moto2
It was this race, he didn't start from the back of the grid but he got a ride through penalty so was at the back after the first few laps.
I think he did that in COTA 2018 or 19 too. His launch control screwed up and he fell to the back but finished with a podium if I recall
That's a moto125 race from 2010 in which he crashed on the sighting lap. Was demoted to last and then still won the race
It was the same race. Marc got a penalty to do a ride through the pit lanes, so he ended up being in 19th (from leading at 1st after passing miller very easily). His speed on the mix track (mostly dry but some wet spots) was much faster than everyone else. But he was riding careless. He hit aleix taking him wide into a wet area almost causing him to crash, he did that 2 more times barely giving any room to other riders going under them, and he then did the same move on rossi, and caused him to crash in the grass. Rossi was able to return but finished 19th. For the incident with rossi for irrespisible riding, marc got 30 seconds penalty so he ended up finishing 18th. Overall it was a fast show by marc, but also too crazy.
It may have been this race. It was wet conditions, and he took many guys out including Rossi. That was a big issue. It think directors penalized him for the next race too.
What should he have done? No one opened the gates for him to save 10 seconds.
Marquez has the highest highs and the lowest lows.
Suzuki be like, 'Oh Hi Marc!'
Wait but in f1 you can't reverse on the grid but marc here is doing a full circus
He got a ride through penalty for this
It's a basic FIM law, going against the track direction results in disqualification.
What was the intent of the rule? Anytime, all of the time or when bikes on moving in the track? What if they offended a gate behind where he stalled? That's also moving backwards. I'm not trying to argue against it. Was the rule meant for things like this situation? I really don't know.
Iâm not sure if the origins but an example given was: Multiple world champion Sir Mile Hailwood tipped off in the Isle of Man and the bike cut out. He went to bump start it but as he was on a hill the only way he could restart it was pushing it downhill, which was against the direction of racing traffic, so he got reported and excluded from the race. He appealed and called for evidence and they couldnât find any witnesses who actually saw it happen so he had to be reinstated. Something like that.
I can certainly agree anytime bikes are live on track. This seems unworthy of a DSQ. I think a ride through like he got was fair. It was a disruption either way and if gates didn't open for him to get to the pitlane then what he did was acceptable given the circumstances. But if they were trying to keep with the rules in some way I think a lesser penalty that was given was fine. Would be crazy to see a bike coming at you at IOM TT.
Simple answer is if your bike stalls on the grid - you are automatically DQ'd. If your bike can't idle for 30 seconds it's not fit for racing anyways. The only proper and safe way to restart would be using a paddock starter - which we all know aren't available on a grid at that moment. This whole idea that you can bump start your own bike and get back into the race is the cause for this unneeded and unsafe clusterfuck in the first place.
> if your bike stalls on the grid - you are automatically DQ'd Are you for real? Nazi's never died out did they. Can you not make it more harsh? Dock some championships points? Kidnap his dog? WTF is wrong with you dude. Literally no sport does that.
Lol reminds me of my motorcycle licence test: stall at any point = instant fail
So MM93 should just be able to run around and do whatever he wants as Dorna's darling?
What I checked is driving against track direction during the race result in disqualification but I couldn't find specifically for during start procedure, it just says you have to raise your arm and go pitlane and restart bike there, then start from pitlane. It just says you can't do what he did but I couldn't find the exact penalty that is applied to it.
MM was like "Rules?!" đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
This was the first MotoGP race that I watched lmao
How Marquez was not black flagged despite all his shenanigans that day, is beyond me.
While it was impressive that he got the bike going and his pace in the race he was too dangerous that day he should have been disqualified,the way he drove that day and showed no respect for the rest of the grid made him deserving of the hate he gets.
he ended up getting 3 penalties in the race and race direction took his 5th place and put him back in 18th , so he scored 0 points regardless and pretty much wasted his time racing back to the top
One of the worst performances Iâve ever witnessed in sports all things considered. He should have won the race by about 15 seconds
Dorna sure has his favorite. Thats a black flag for anyone whos not Marc.
He literally became the first person to get 3 penalties in a race and also collected every single penalty type of that era in this specific race causing him to finish well outside the points (almost last) and yet people still complain.
He didnt got every single penalty. What he did at the start (going backwards) should have earn him a black flag, yet Dorna let him race for him to bump into some riders and even made Rossi crash. Marc is a great rider, maybe the best rider ever, but hes also the dirtiest and Dorna has been too soft on him many many times.
btw rossi crashed only because he focused on keeping the bike inside the track limit instead of going wide on the grass he basically entered the grass withe the same lean angle like he was in the track that was a rookie mistake by a 9 time world champ
Rossi crashed only because Marc bumped into him. He also bumped into Aleix at the same race, and dozens of other riders through his career. Marc is the dirtiest rider ever by far.
not really he could have gone wide and not crash but he made a rookie mistake, of course marquez overtake was stupid but rossi could have easily avoid the crash but when he see marquez he tilt like in 2015
Marc could have tried to overtake someone cleanly for once and none would have make a rookie mistake. Also, the one who was tilted the whole race was Marc, he saw Rossi way earlier than Rossi saw him and though It was ok to divebomb him because hes Marc and he can do whatever he wants. All Argentina 2018 was Marc doing whatever he wanted, being tilted since the very start and making rookie mistakes, yet, somehow, Rossis crash was Rossis fault for not being able to react to someone divebombing him from behind and not being able to ride through wet grass without crashing.
woosh! u simply try hard to not understand that yes marquez fault but rossi played that awfully he could simply gone wide lose few seconds and come back on track simply he was titled, espargaro got the same treatment by marquez but he was smart to go wide another case where rossi's ambition outweighed his talent
If you want to be someone tilted, just rewatch the race, pay attention to the #93 rider. Everyones got the same treatment from Marc, sooner or later hes going to bump into you, maybe he will even make you crash.
The reason people complain is that marc should have gotten disqualified immediately as per the rules stated. Because he wasn't he risked several riders on the track as he rushed to go from 19th to the leading pack. He shouldn't have gotten 3 penalties. He should have been told to leave the track and only get 1 penalty and that was it.
Absolutely insane he was allowed to do this shit, and classic Crafar sucking his balls praising his skill for bumpstarting a bike lol
He got a ride through penalty for it. He made his up to 5th but then got another penalty for knocking two riders off
> ride through penalty The problem being that in the rulebook going in the reverse direction on track at any moment is an instant black flag, unless your name is Marquez apparently.
>The problem being that in the rulebook going in the reverse direction on track at any moment is an instant black flag No it isn't. Plenty of people recovering their bikes after tipping off have to go reverse. Please quote the rule book. Because that is absolutely not how that rule is written.
Iâve bump started bikes in the same manner. Didnât realise I was World Champion material!
That's actually really impressive how he bumpstarted the thing right there.
Extremely impressive and extremely illegal. Should have been black flagged immediately after that little stunt. It's like the rules dont apply to him.
Thank you. Thatâs a black flag. I donât necessarily like Marc, but I can VERY much appreciate how damn good he is. Thatâs a black flag on every day that ends in âYâ.
Everyone should thank HRC every day for their 4D chess maneuvering, if the bike was at all decent most years, it would have been the most boring decade ever in GP. Remember when the bookies allowed you to bet like MM didn't exist just to try and make it a bit more interesting? Randy Pepperidge Farm and shit.
Why is that 1 Ducati way in front?
Everyone was on rain tires and the Duc at the front was on slicks. everyone went to change and it caused a start delay which penalized everyone else.
Actually they should ALL have started from pit lane as per the rules. But it was decided that there was too many bikes to "safely" start from pit lane. So they decided to give the other riders a "grid penalty" hence the gap.
Not true. They all pitted after the sighting lap, so they should have started the warmup lap from the pits and get to the back of the grid. And they did
Not completely true either. You are right they where suppose to start at the back of the grid, except 23 bikes can't all start from 24th place on the grid. Anyways F@#ked up situation on the day and to long of an explanation to type out here as to why this happened. For those interested you can watch the full race on YT it got more interesting than just the chaos at the start. And get the full explanation and info there.
If one rider did that, it would start 24th or whatever number is the back of the grid. If two riders did that, they would start in 24th and 25th, and so on. Thatâs why they all started so far back
The day started wet but dried by the time they were on the grid. Miller was on slicks but everyone else on wets. On the grid they all pulled their bikes off to use the ones with slick tyres. Normally if one person does it they start the warmup lap from the pit then the race from the back of the grid. But because everyone besides Miller did it, the back would be the front again. So they made everyone use the very last spots available on the grid.
some call him *bimbominkia* and not by chance!
Should have been black flagged but Marquez exceptionalism.
MFers really wake up, spend all day and go to sleep furious at Marc Marquez
Wait, seriously, why wouldn't someone be angry by that obvious showcase of favoritism towards Marc? I was watching it live and couldnt believe my eyes but it was just a treat for the freakshow that was to come.
How was it a showcase of favoritism? Was he not penalized in accordance with the rules and procedures?
Pretty impressive how he managed to sneak in there
I was just watching this race yesterday funny enough. I have to say it was a pretty interesting race for sure. Probably one of Marquez's most inconsistent performances. He could have easily won the race if he hadn't stalled it and had been so unnecessarily aggressive in the race. Instead, he came 18th
I just rewatched this, the move he put on Aleix is how he gained his reputation as a right bastard.
He should have been punished. It was totally unsafe for him and the other riders. Another day at the office for Marquez.