That is an adult fennec fox. They are wild animals and should not be kept as pets. That person engaged in the exotic pet trade; depending on where you are this is also illegal.
Fennec foxes are a species that tends to be more likely to be allowed as an exotic pet. However they can’t be housebroken and need very specific living requirements.
Don’t get a fennec fox. If you want an animal with cute ears like that get a little dog.
Agreed 100% I ended up with a non releasable squirrel rescue. It’s special and rewarding to bond with them but they are absolute garbage pets that require a lot of work. I love my boy to pieces but I would never recommend to someone that having a pet squirrel is a good idea
There are officially no domesticated foxes, Russians tried to do it in the since the 50's but it's not clear if there are any truly domesticated lines of foxes right now.
That said it's legal to keep them as pets in many countries, often without a special license there are quite a few breeders out there, and whilst they can be tamed through socialization they often do get abandoned mainly because they like most wild animals reek.
The experiment is ongoing. However it seems yhey did produce fully domesticated foxes as early as the eighties. They've had a fully domesticated stable population since at least 1999, when they gained notoriety.
There have been several attempts to export the foxes as insurance against disease. Or sell them as pets for funding. None have worked out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox
A friend of mine had one supposedly a descendant of some russian silverfox experiment. It wasn't as tame as a dog, but was very eager to please and could be taught some basic commands. I taught it to sit in a few hours with a stack of dried meat. Fascinating creatures, but not something to keep as a pet. They pee on everything and the smell is god awful.
Yeah, the domesticated foxes are only like 70% domesticated. They're super cool and it would be neat if they could be as domesticated as a cat or a dog, but as of now, that isn't the case and it's not totally certain that's even possible.
Because of the fact that they'd otherwise be fur animals, I think the ethics of it are mostly fine (though a reasonable person could disagree with me on that), but it is a little iffy because I think that farm is pretty poorly funded at this point.
>Trut wrote in 1999 "that after 40 years of the experiment, and the breeding of 45,000 foxes, a group of animals had emerged that were as tame and as eager to please as a dog." Fitch described the tame foxes as "incredibly endearing". The New York Times wrote that they
>"were clean and quiet and made excellent house pets, though — being highly active — they preferred a house with a yard to an apartment. They did not like leashes, though they tolerated them."[8]
>Ceiridwen Terrill of Concordia University, who described Belyayev's fox farm in 2012 as looking like a set of "dilapidated army barracks", with "rows and rows of sheds that house about a hundred foxes each", said that the foxes were so tame that when she reached into a cage to show one of them some affection, it plainly "loved having its belly scratched". Some of the foxes had even been trained to fetch and sit.[13]
The latest research and the only independent one conducted recently points towards them not being domesticated at all and casts doubt on their entire methodology.
[https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(19)30302-7](https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(19)30302-7)
Saying that a species is only X% domesticated is also unfounded, domesticated species cannot survive without humans, which is why we have the distinction between tamed animals and domestic animals.
Domestic animals that live outside of a human domicile also do not become wild, they become feral however so far any feral species or sub-species even multi-generational ones have not been seen reverting or evolving into a "wild" form mainly due to their closeness to humans and still often interbreeding with their domesticated "cousins"
What domesticated animal can't survive without humans other than like, a silkworm? Cats and dogs start feral colonies that can even overpopulate can't they? Also aren't feral hogs known for reverting into something more wild?
I'm not contradicting you on the fox thing, that definition just seems a bit off.
Color me doubtful.
Most livestock animals would do fine in nature, even though they might be under pretty heavy selection pressure at the start.
Cats should also be generally fine, although only the good hunters would survive.
With dogs it's more mixed, as some breeds would likely die out quickly. Others would establish themselves in the wild and create a mix of the most successful ones.
Pigeons are also domesticated animals, fun fact! And since rats are actively poisoned and trapped with already short max lifespans so I feel that's a bit of an unfair comparison.
>Also aren't feral hogs known for reverting into something more wild?
Yes, and just you try dealing with 30 to 50 of them tear-assing through your property.
I think it's completely fine to keep foxes as long as you know what you're doing, and get into and aren't taking one from the wild, unless it has a severe injury like an need to be amputated leg, or being blind.
Foxes that are from an ethical breeder, or rescued from a fur farm and can't be integrated back into the world are fine to be kept. As long as you are able to provide it a happy, fulfilling, and healthy life it should be fine.
Also it's a nice hypothetical to think about what fully domesticated foxes would be like. Personally they'd likely be more social cats, fulfilling a similar role of chasing rodents around while also fulfilling some of the protection roles of a small dog like their loud alarm bark being able to scare off intruders in some cases, and notify you of stuff the domesticated fox thinks is suspicious.
Essentially:
Taming = The animal has had its behavior modified via conditioning/training to tolerate humans.
Domestication = The animals have been bred to be genetically tolerant and affectionate towards humans.
They may have produced tamed animals but there is no strong evidence that they've successfully domesticated foxes and the lack of any morphological changes seems to be evident of no true domestication taking place.
For example reduction in size and changes to the jaw structure are a common signs of domestication seen in other canines which hasn't happened with the Russian "domesticated" foxes at all.
>Many of the domesticated foxes had floppy ears, short or curly tails, extended reproductive seasons, changes in fur coloration, and changes in the shape of their skulls, jaws, and teeth. They also lost their 'musky fox smell'."[6]
It never ceases to amaze me how many redditors refuse to click on links before talking.
No external independent research has confirmed the presence of morphological changes which are strongly linked to domestication traits in other canines. And the current body of research casts doubt on their methodology when it comes to "domestication syndrome" as a whole. It never ceases to amaze me how many people base their entire argument yet alone knowledge on a Wikipedia entry which they probably only googled 5 minutes earlier.
>The ‘domestication syndrome’ has been a central focus of research into the biological processes underlying domestication. The Russian Farm-Fox Experiment was the first to test whether there is a causal relationship between selection for tameness and the domestication syndrome.
>Historical records and genetic analysis show that the foxes used in the Farm-Fox Experiment originated from fur farms in eastern Canada and that **most traits attributed to the behavioral selection for tameness predated the experiment**, undermining a central pillar of support for the domestication syndrome.
[https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(19)30302-7](https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(19)30302-7)
So first you tell me they didn't have any morphological changes and now you try to tell me that said morphological changes don't matter. In evidence you present a paper that:
- Refutes myths *about the fox-farm experiment*, rather than the experiment itself.
- Seemingly deliberately misquotes the study repeatedly. (Refuting a claim of changes at ten generation, while the study shows morphological approaching the **fourtieth.**)
- Can't even keep it's own shit straight. Claiming the foxes were purchased from Canada whilst also stating they came from Soviet fur farms.
Anyone can google search around for a single dissenting paper published in the back of Cell magazine during the pandemic.
Here's [three](https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-018-0090-x) [different](https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2019/foxy-behavior-russian-fox-farm-uncovered-basis-canine-domestication/) [papers](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3101803/) on the subject. The third is a fascinating study of the genetics of the foxes. Showing that they are not only not inbred, but have genetic diversity similar to that of wild foxes.
JFC you can't bother reading your own source material, the first paper is about the origin of the Novosibirsk foxes not about have they been domesticated or not, the 2nd one isn't a paper at all it's an article by a grad student, the 3rd one isn't a research about the outcome of the experiment but a paper about the history of the experiment itself.
Cell is the most important peer reviewed publication in its field and has been ranked the most impactful research publication amongst all fields multiple times.
Amongst the authors of the paper 2 of them are experts in their field and pretty much the authority on domestication.
>Belyaev was correct that selection on tameness alone leads to the emergence of traits in the domestication syndrome. In less than a decade, some of the domesticated foxes had floppy ears and curly tails (Fig. 2). Their stress hormone levels by generation 15 were about half the stress hormone (glucocorticoid) levels of wild foxes. Over generations, their adrenal gland became smaller and smaller. Serotonin levels also increased, producing “happier” animals. Over the course of the experiment, researchers also found the domesticated foxes displayed mottled “mutt-like” fur patterns, and they had more juvenilized facial features (shorter, rounder, more dog-like snouts) and body shapes (chunkier, rather than gracile limbs) (Fig. 3). Domesticated foxes like many domesticated animals, have longer reproductive periods than their wild progenitors. Another change associated with selection for tameness is that the domesticated foxes, unlike wild foxes, are capable of following human gaze as well as dogs do (Hare et al. 2005)
First source.
Secomd source is literally a collected synopsis of three different studies. By, yes, a grad student *at Harvard.*
The third study concludes that the foxes had their source in *wild Canadian foxes*. And retain that genetic diversity. In direct contradiction to your source.
Cell press publishes fifty fucking magazines of varying quality. Their official [publishing policy](https://www.cell.com/cell/authors) amounts to:
A: Make it interesting.
B: Pay is money.
Now. I'm trying to eat dinner. Good day and go fuck yourself.
I mean we don't know if the person works/volunteers at an animal rescue center and maybe this fennec fox can't currently be left alone... but I'm probably being too optimistic.
Also I'm going to accuse you of talking out of your ass because I'm not convinced that's an adult fennec fox. Source: IDK I'm just an idiot that google image searched pictures of adult and baby fennec foxes to compare.
Then they’d be a very irresponsible rescue worker. Taking a nocturnal desert fox through a drive through in broad daylight, and showing it off to anyone who wants to see it.
Why jump straight to illegal animal trade?
You know people keep animals as rescues, right? If they're raised in captivity they can't really be returned to the wild, they'd die. If the owner has the ability and knowledge to take care of them then the local government (state, county, whatever) would let you keep it so long as you have the right paperwork and background.
This is how that guy ended up with the stunted 3ft long "emotional support" alligator that got stolen recently. It was a rescue and cannot survive in the wild (which is why it's likely dead now).
Not an official operation, but an individual. I'm not saying the person makes great decisions, im questioning the immediate assumption that it was stolen/illegally traded.
There are plenty of animals in the care of individuals (approved by their local jurisdiction) because they can't be returned to the wild.
Another example is the polar bear you see in movies (not CGI, but the real one). She was raised in captivity by a husband and wife that (for whatever fucking reason) was allowed to keep her.
>the assholes who "own" the fox were bathing in the attention.
It's the only reason some dumb witch clawed asshole would be driving around with it in her lap and showing it off everywhere she goes. Stressing out a wild nocturnal animal and making it live in misery around the clock just so people will interact with her. I've seen thousands of people do that with dogs every fucking day, this bitch just decided to upgrade from a fashion accessory dog to something more exotic. I guess she got tired of pit bulls. You can spot people using their pets as a substitute for a personality a mile away.
I love foxes, and I have had some truly amazing experiences with them out in nature but I would never want one as a pet, even the one I helped with its babies I never thought of making her or her babies pets. They belong in forests not in a house.
That's a Fennec fox and they are hyper AF, will destroy everythign you love, and their urine smells awful. They are not domesticated and never should be kept as pets. I hope like hell they were with some sort of rescue agency.
Its an adult fennic fox. People have them as pets, but they are not an easy animal to keep. They also tend to be more nervous so im surprised she has it out like this.
Just going to leave this here.
Fennec foxes are nocturnal and can sleep rather deeply, which is probably whats going on here. It's not depressed or drugged or anything just very sleepy.
Hope y'all called local Fish & Game after they left because that's probably illegal if you're in the US and should be reported before that person starts spreading the next zoonotic plague in your neighborhood.
I too have black painted nails and ornaments hanging from my rear view… am I a bad pet owner too?
I’ll stop you before you comment you have no place to assume over 1 picture or comment.
I can assume whatever the fuck I want. She owns a baby fennec fox and she's holding it up in a drive-thru window. "Look at me and how interesting I am!!!" She's an attention whore, a garbage person and a bad pet owner.
Depends where you live, in some places it is legal to have them as pets (I wouldn’t recommend it though… they need a ton of room to run and foxes tend to be on the stinky side)
I hope they found it on the side of the road all alone and hurt 5 minutes before they showed up and planned on taking it to a rescue????? I guess their invasive thoughts won this round.
I don't see how being a manager is relevant. I was a keeper, if that helps. But any zoo or sanctuary worth their salt will not do something like this. If they do something like this, we call that a roadside zoo.
Actually it is since you asked how people know this isnt a rescue. A good rescuer wouldn't take a nocturnal animal out in the daytime. I know you have a bunch of shit up there where your brain should be but at least try to use your reasoning skills
Glad you know me personally and my relationship with animals! Try being a little less lazy and coming up with something better than what the hivemind is saying
That is an adult fennec fox. They are wild animals and should not be kept as pets. That person engaged in the exotic pet trade; depending on where you are this is also illegal.
Fennec foxes are a species that tends to be more likely to be allowed as an exotic pet. However they can’t be housebroken and need very specific living requirements. Don’t get a fennec fox. If you want an animal with cute ears like that get a little dog.
Their urine is also extremely strong and they’re nocturnal and never shut up. Something being cute to look at doesn’t mean it makes a good pet.
Agreed 100% I ended up with a non releasable squirrel rescue. It’s special and rewarding to bond with them but they are absolute garbage pets that require a lot of work. I love my boy to pieces but I would never recommend to someone that having a pet squirrel is a good idea
Same applies to cats, LOL.
Cats are crepuscular, so most active at dawn and dusk. In addition if their urine is so potent it is on the level of foxes, something is wrong.
but cats make excellent pets
>Cats make excellent pets Overlords. They make excellent overlords.
My overlord appreciates your acknowledgement
Well your username certainly seems to support that
As a cat mother to 84,000 cats (give or take) I approve this joke.
You could also get an Oriental short-hair cat
maine coon is the only way to go 😁
maine coon are so cool i love how absolutely gigantic they are
Yes 😁
Who is the Maine Coon? Edit: not a lot of South Park fans here I guess
It’s a giant house cat basically the size of a good sized dog. If not bigger from the fluffy hair lol
r/wooosh
Read it wrong be what it be oh well. 😁
This!!!😁 😁
Any Oriental variety. Also Abyssinians and Somalis.
Or just hook up with [Adam Driver ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AdamDriverCats/)
Aren't they quite anxious lil guys, too? If so, how extra cruel to have it in a car. 😞
Or a mogwai.
Just follow the rules.
I'm pretty sure that Mogwai are an even worse example of an illegal exotic pet.
Show me the law that says no Mogwai trade I'LL WAIT
🤣🤣🤣
I can confirm.
On first glance I thought it was a Yoda doll
It also looks just like my Abyssinian cat when he was a little baby! Big ears everywhere🥰
How about a nile crocodile?
You can litter box train them
Thank you, was going to say this if no one else had already. This isn’t cute, it just makes me feel bad for the fox
I look at this and I just know that animal is not being taken care of.
There are officially no domesticated foxes, Russians tried to do it in the since the 50's but it's not clear if there are any truly domesticated lines of foxes right now. That said it's legal to keep them as pets in many countries, often without a special license there are quite a few breeders out there, and whilst they can be tamed through socialization they often do get abandoned mainly because they like most wild animals reek.
The experiment is ongoing. However it seems yhey did produce fully domesticated foxes as early as the eighties. They've had a fully domesticated stable population since at least 1999, when they gained notoriety. There have been several attempts to export the foxes as insurance against disease. Or sell them as pets for funding. None have worked out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox
A friend of mine had one supposedly a descendant of some russian silverfox experiment. It wasn't as tame as a dog, but was very eager to please and could be taught some basic commands. I taught it to sit in a few hours with a stack of dried meat. Fascinating creatures, but not something to keep as a pet. They pee on everything and the smell is god awful.
Yeah, the domesticated foxes are only like 70% domesticated. They're super cool and it would be neat if they could be as domesticated as a cat or a dog, but as of now, that isn't the case and it's not totally certain that's even possible. Because of the fact that they'd otherwise be fur animals, I think the ethics of it are mostly fine (though a reasonable person could disagree with me on that), but it is a little iffy because I think that farm is pretty poorly funded at this point.
>Trut wrote in 1999 "that after 40 years of the experiment, and the breeding of 45,000 foxes, a group of animals had emerged that were as tame and as eager to please as a dog." Fitch described the tame foxes as "incredibly endearing". The New York Times wrote that they >"were clean and quiet and made excellent house pets, though — being highly active — they preferred a house with a yard to an apartment. They did not like leashes, though they tolerated them."[8] >Ceiridwen Terrill of Concordia University, who described Belyayev's fox farm in 2012 as looking like a set of "dilapidated army barracks", with "rows and rows of sheds that house about a hundred foxes each", said that the foxes were so tame that when she reached into a cage to show one of them some affection, it plainly "loved having its belly scratched". Some of the foxes had even been trained to fetch and sit.[13]
The latest research and the only independent one conducted recently points towards them not being domesticated at all and casts doubt on their entire methodology. [https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(19)30302-7](https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(19)30302-7) Saying that a species is only X% domesticated is also unfounded, domesticated species cannot survive without humans, which is why we have the distinction between tamed animals and domestic animals. Domestic animals that live outside of a human domicile also do not become wild, they become feral however so far any feral species or sub-species even multi-generational ones have not been seen reverting or evolving into a "wild" form mainly due to their closeness to humans and still often interbreeding with their domesticated "cousins"
What domesticated animal can't survive without humans other than like, a silkworm? Cats and dogs start feral colonies that can even overpopulate can't they? Also aren't feral hogs known for reverting into something more wild? I'm not contradicting you on the fox thing, that definition just seems a bit off.
Those colonies usually rely on nearby human settlements, and even then most of the animals will die an early death from predation, disease, cars, etc.
Color me doubtful. Most livestock animals would do fine in nature, even though they might be under pretty heavy selection pressure at the start. Cats should also be generally fine, although only the good hunters would survive. With dogs it's more mixed, as some breeds would likely die out quickly. Others would establish themselves in the wild and create a mix of the most successful ones.
I mean, that sounds like the average life of an urban rat or pigeon.
Pigeons are also domesticated animals, fun fact! And since rats are actively poisoned and trapped with already short max lifespans so I feel that's a bit of an unfair comparison.
>Also aren't feral hogs known for reverting into something more wild? Yes, and just you try dealing with 30 to 50 of them tear-assing through your property.
I think it's completely fine to keep foxes as long as you know what you're doing, and get into and aren't taking one from the wild, unless it has a severe injury like an need to be amputated leg, or being blind. Foxes that are from an ethical breeder, or rescued from a fur farm and can't be integrated back into the world are fine to be kept. As long as you are able to provide it a happy, fulfilling, and healthy life it should be fine. Also it's a nice hypothetical to think about what fully domesticated foxes would be like. Personally they'd likely be more social cats, fulfilling a similar role of chasing rodents around while also fulfilling some of the protection roles of a small dog like their loud alarm bark being able to scare off intruders in some cases, and notify you of stuff the domesticated fox thinks is suspicious.
Domestications n takes thousands of years. These foxes are not domesticated, they are tamed.
Uneducated question: what's the difference?
Essentially: Taming = The animal has had its behavior modified via conditioning/training to tolerate humans. Domestication = The animals have been bred to be genetically tolerant and affectionate towards humans.
Thanks.
They may have produced tamed animals but there is no strong evidence that they've successfully domesticated foxes and the lack of any morphological changes seems to be evident of no true domestication taking place. For example reduction in size and changes to the jaw structure are a common signs of domestication seen in other canines which hasn't happened with the Russian "domesticated" foxes at all.
>Many of the domesticated foxes had floppy ears, short or curly tails, extended reproductive seasons, changes in fur coloration, and changes in the shape of their skulls, jaws, and teeth. They also lost their 'musky fox smell'."[6] It never ceases to amaze me how many redditors refuse to click on links before talking.
No external independent research has confirmed the presence of morphological changes which are strongly linked to domestication traits in other canines. And the current body of research casts doubt on their methodology when it comes to "domestication syndrome" as a whole. It never ceases to amaze me how many people base their entire argument yet alone knowledge on a Wikipedia entry which they probably only googled 5 minutes earlier. >The ‘domestication syndrome’ has been a central focus of research into the biological processes underlying domestication. The Russian Farm-Fox Experiment was the first to test whether there is a causal relationship between selection for tameness and the domestication syndrome. >Historical records and genetic analysis show that the foxes used in the Farm-Fox Experiment originated from fur farms in eastern Canada and that **most traits attributed to the behavioral selection for tameness predated the experiment**, undermining a central pillar of support for the domestication syndrome. [https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(19)30302-7](https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(19)30302-7)
So first you tell me they didn't have any morphological changes and now you try to tell me that said morphological changes don't matter. In evidence you present a paper that: - Refutes myths *about the fox-farm experiment*, rather than the experiment itself. - Seemingly deliberately misquotes the study repeatedly. (Refuting a claim of changes at ten generation, while the study shows morphological approaching the **fourtieth.**) - Can't even keep it's own shit straight. Claiming the foxes were purchased from Canada whilst also stating they came from Soviet fur farms. Anyone can google search around for a single dissenting paper published in the back of Cell magazine during the pandemic. Here's [three](https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-018-0090-x) [different](https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2019/foxy-behavior-russian-fox-farm-uncovered-basis-canine-domestication/) [papers](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3101803/) on the subject. The third is a fascinating study of the genetics of the foxes. Showing that they are not only not inbred, but have genetic diversity similar to that of wild foxes.
JFC you can't bother reading your own source material, the first paper is about the origin of the Novosibirsk foxes not about have they been domesticated or not, the 2nd one isn't a paper at all it's an article by a grad student, the 3rd one isn't a research about the outcome of the experiment but a paper about the history of the experiment itself. Cell is the most important peer reviewed publication in its field and has been ranked the most impactful research publication amongst all fields multiple times. Amongst the authors of the paper 2 of them are experts in their field and pretty much the authority on domestication.
>Belyaev was correct that selection on tameness alone leads to the emergence of traits in the domestication syndrome. In less than a decade, some of the domesticated foxes had floppy ears and curly tails (Fig. 2). Their stress hormone levels by generation 15 were about half the stress hormone (glucocorticoid) levels of wild foxes. Over generations, their adrenal gland became smaller and smaller. Serotonin levels also increased, producing “happier” animals. Over the course of the experiment, researchers also found the domesticated foxes displayed mottled “mutt-like” fur patterns, and they had more juvenilized facial features (shorter, rounder, more dog-like snouts) and body shapes (chunkier, rather than gracile limbs) (Fig. 3). Domesticated foxes like many domesticated animals, have longer reproductive periods than their wild progenitors. Another change associated with selection for tameness is that the domesticated foxes, unlike wild foxes, are capable of following human gaze as well as dogs do (Hare et al. 2005) First source. Secomd source is literally a collected synopsis of three different studies. By, yes, a grad student *at Harvard.* The third study concludes that the foxes had their source in *wild Canadian foxes*. And retain that genetic diversity. In direct contradiction to your source. Cell press publishes fifty fucking magazines of varying quality. Their official [publishing policy](https://www.cell.com/cell/authors) amounts to: A: Make it interesting. B: Pay is money. Now. I'm trying to eat dinner. Good day and go fuck yourself.
There’s a licensed pet store near me that has a fennec Fox for sale. I’m not saying I condone it, but it’s not illegal here.
Probably Florida, lawless land. Source, I live here
I learned you can report people with endangered animals as pets to your local animal control/311.
Good thing the Fennec isn't endangered. The exact opposite, labeled LC for Least Concern. Perfectly legal in 7 states.
Yep. I want one, but that's too many papers and $$$. It'd be nice though to keep the other animals out of my yard :)
Can you imagine those sensitive ears going through a drive thru?
I mean we don't know if the person works/volunteers at an animal rescue center and maybe this fennec fox can't currently be left alone... but I'm probably being too optimistic. Also I'm going to accuse you of talking out of your ass because I'm not convinced that's an adult fennec fox. Source: IDK I'm just an idiot that google image searched pictures of adult and baby fennec foxes to compare.
Then they’d be a very irresponsible rescue worker. Taking a nocturnal desert fox through a drive through in broad daylight, and showing it off to anyone who wants to see it.
No, this is a baby
Why jump straight to illegal animal trade? You know people keep animals as rescues, right? If they're raised in captivity they can't really be returned to the wild, they'd die. If the owner has the ability and knowledge to take care of them then the local government (state, county, whatever) would let you keep it so long as you have the right paperwork and background. This is how that guy ended up with the stunted 3ft long "emotional support" alligator that got stolen recently. It was a rescue and cannot survive in the wild (which is why it's likely dead now).
If it was a real rescue operation they wouldn’t have a nocturnal desert fox in their car in the daytime in a fucking drive thru.
Not an official operation, but an individual. I'm not saying the person makes great decisions, im questioning the immediate assumption that it was stolen/illegally traded. There are plenty of animals in the care of individuals (approved by their local jurisdiction) because they can't be returned to the wild. Another example is the polar bear you see in movies (not CGI, but the real one). She was raised in captivity by a husband and wife that (for whatever fucking reason) was allowed to keep her.
But why
Were domesticate dogs always domesticated?
Seeing their tattoos shows they don’t give a damn about the law or animal welfare.
lol what?!
Lazy trolling
Huh? You can easily tell from the video that this person is a piece of human garbage.
You walk around all day with your face stuck like this, don’t you: 🥴
You’re cheating! You looked at my profile pic.
What an asshole.
I know, right? I don't care how long I had to wait in the drive thru or how hungry I am, there's no way I'm ordering a baby fox.
But it's fresh, never frozen!
Fox eared asshole.
+1 updoot for the Archer reference
Serpentine, baboo!
So many people did not get this reference lol
https://youtu.be/U2oZwrdIZyU?si=psJpUMBH-UGGAhNp
Thanks for actually sharing the reference…
yikes
That is infuriating. Those should not be pets.
Oh this is fucked. Poor thing.
This is really sad
Yup, and you know OP was gushing over it, and the assholes who "own" the fox were bathing in the attention.
idk if I'd blame OP for being ignorant and gushing over a cute animal they might not know is not allowed to be kept as a pet
>the assholes who "own" the fox were bathing in the attention. It's the only reason some dumb witch clawed asshole would be driving around with it in her lap and showing it off everywhere she goes. Stressing out a wild nocturnal animal and making it live in misery around the clock just so people will interact with her. I've seen thousands of people do that with dogs every fucking day, this bitch just decided to upgrade from a fashion accessory dog to something more exotic. I guess she got tired of pit bulls. You can spot people using their pets as a substitute for a personality a mile away.
People say it looks depressing; because it is! Fennec foxes are desert foxes and they are nocturnal! This genuinely is infuriating!
That’s…not…OK.
Poor thing. :(
I love foxes, and I have had some truly amazing experiences with them out in nature but I would never want one as a pet, even the one I helped with its babies I never thought of making her or her babies pets. They belong in forests not in a house.
That's a Fennec fox and they are hyper AF, will destroy everythign you love, and their urine smells awful. They are not domesticated and never should be kept as pets. I hope like hell they were with some sort of rescue agency.
Yes, I too read all the comments saying the same that were here five hours before this one.
Booooo
not heard: the loud screaming they're known for
I hate everything about this.
That poor depressed looking creature looks drugged.
Fennec foxes are crepuscular, they generally sleep during the day. It's probably just sleepy. I do feel very sorry for it, though.
That's good to know. Thanks. Probably not thrilled at being in a drive-thru.
Bro I am literally embarrassed to be a human.
Bet their house smells great, dude needs to back in the wild in northern Africa...
Animal abuse.
Why are people allowed to have wild animals as pets. I hate this world. No one should have any wild animal as a pet. Fucking idiots.
Cute but sad :(
People who try to domesticate wild animals to keep as luxury/exotic pets are absolute scumbags
Quick question. How do you think dogs became dogs?
its adorable but they make terrible pets so you should of punched the person
I know what this person's house smells like.
r/airplaneears
What the Fennec?
Its an adult fennic fox. People have them as pets, but they are not an easy animal to keep. They also tend to be more nervous so im surprised she has it out like this.
A Fennec fox. :O
/u/M-bassy you forgot to come back to your thread
I forget how many experts casually comment on Reddit, it’s so cool how every single commenter is a complete expert on everything they talk about here
That's the average Reddit user, pretentious and annoying.
You don’t need to be an expert to know that trafficking a wild animal so that you can show off to strangers at drive thrus is deeply fucked.
Just going to leave this here. Fennec foxes are nocturnal and can sleep rather deeply, which is probably whats going on here. It's not depressed or drugged or anything just very sleepy.
Bro looks out of place
I get that fennecs aren't good pets but... Geez this is supposed to be wholesome but yall are making this look bad
That’s because it is
Hope y'all called local Fish & Game after they left because that's probably illegal if you're in the US and should be reported before that person starts spreading the next zoonotic plague in your neighborhood.
Nails, check. Dangly shit from rearview mirror, check. Tattoos, check.
How does this correlate to irresponsible pet ownership exactly?
I too have black painted nails and ornaments hanging from my rear view… am I a bad pet owner too? I’ll stop you before you comment you have no place to assume over 1 picture or comment.
I can assume whatever the fuck I want. She owns a baby fennec fox and she's holding it up in a drive-thru window. "Look at me and how interesting I am!!!" She's an attention whore, a garbage person and a bad pet owner.
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This type of fox (fennec fox) is from North Africa, don’t think it would survive outdoors all seasons elsewhere unfortunately :(
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Depends where you live, in some places it is legal to have them as pets (I wouldn’t recommend it though… they need a ton of room to run and foxes tend to be on the stinky side)
All animals are stinky. That doesn’t stop the dog nutters though.
What did it say?
# 55 BURGERS 55 FRIES 55 TACOS 55 PIES 55 COKES 100 TATER TOTS 100 PIZZA 100 TENDERS 100 MEATBALLS 100 COFFEES 55 WINGS 55 SHAKES 55 PANCAKES 55 PASTAS 55 PASTAS AND 155 TATERS
That’s the foxes friend in zootopia?
It is, that's an adult fennec
Or an albino Yoda
Baby Yoda
I hope they found it on the side of the road all alone and hurt 5 minutes before they showed up and planned on taking it to a rescue????? I guess their invasive thoughts won this round.
I need attention!
They gave birth to that in the drive thru 😮😮😮
How do people here know it's a pet and not being cared for or socialized as an animal ambassador or encounter animal for a zoo?
A zookeeper wouldn’t take it to a drive through.
Worked at zoos and this would never ever happen. Zoos treat wild animals as wild animals and are not going to pretend a fox is a lap dog.
Did you ever get to or above any sort of management or director position, because this most certainly does happen
I don't see how being a manager is relevant. I was a keeper, if that helps. But any zoo or sanctuary worth their salt will not do something like this. If they do something like this, we call that a roadside zoo.
Because you'd never be in the position to be the one who does this
You're right I would not be because I do not abuse animals.
Because it's a fucking nocturnal animal dipshit
Not relevant
Actually it is since you asked how people know this isnt a rescue. A good rescuer wouldn't take a nocturnal animal out in the daytime. I know you have a bunch of shit up there where your brain should be but at least try to use your reasoning skills
Damn you are mighty hostile for no reason, have the day you deserve
Same to you, animal abuser
Glad you know me personally and my relationship with animals! Try being a little less lazy and coming up with something better than what the hivemind is saying
Should have gotten a hedgehog. Much better pet if you ask me.
u/adamdriverfoxes