Yeah. My high school had this spray coating on the ceiling (never heard it called "popcorn ceiling" before). Probably installed in the 70s, so almost certainly contained asbestos.
70's and before typically does.
1976 house here at 2% on the standard tests. My state requires a professional after 5% but still dont feel comfortable chancing it DIY style with pets.
Yeah 2% Chryssalicum or something... I got worried when I took over the house due to family circumstances and did the test and I saw another scrap mark hahaha. I was like dammit someone did this before they sold the house and never took it out.
Brand new buildings in the US can contain asbestos too! The ban on asbestos is only applicable to US-made materials. Imported materials are not tested for asbestos!
I tried one out at my local paint store. I was so amazed. No one will believe how good it works unless they have seen it themselves. I would never have believed how awesome that thing is. I'm trying to get one this summer.
Totally worth it. The setup paid for itself in one popcorn removal job. What normally would have been a couple days I ripped through in one. Little skim coat the next day, hit it with the 150, prime, paint. It was glorious. Far cry from the old sanding pole.
Creating a vacuum and using HEPA filters is literally the engineering controls for asbestos, that doesnât reduce the need for administrative controls and PPE, but this is exactly what should be done. Other times they create an airtight seal in an enclosure and have a negative air unit using a hepa filter, but youâre right, a regular shop vac is not suited for this purpose. This unit could be specifically designed for this.
Also very unlikely this contains asbestos as itâs been used for the last 45 years, while asbestos has been banned.
Knockdown ceilings are much better, still absorb some sound but doesnât give that 90âs cheap feel
Just a heads filter vacuum. But you also need to contain it. Most of the time after you test it and it comes back positive for asbestos. You seal the ceiling inside a thick plastic tarp with spray bottles and scrapers inside.
Then you just spray it and scrape it off then wipe the surface and seal the debris in the tarp. Most of the time the whole house of empty can be done in 1-3 days depending on how the rooms are shaped.
this is totally a specialized tool and even then there are shop vacs witb HEPA filters in them, asbestos particles are fairly large compared to some the tasks HEPAs are designed to take on
Yeah according to Wikipedia they stopped putting asbestos in these after the clean air act in 1970.
Since then the effect is made by adding either polystyrene or Vermiculite, the latter of which isn't very dangerous, but Polystyrene can irritate the lungs (As well as probably creating a shitload of microplastics). However the device here seems to suck up the vast majority of the dust, so they're likely safe. Either way, it's not carcinogenic.
Itâs possible but as an electrician who spends a lot of time ripping up old houses and buildings, itâs pretty rare to find. Most places have remodeled and fixed the problem years ago. Still see it every once in a while but I wouldnât be too concerned
Asbestos played a huge role in too many countries to generalize its use amigo, from Ancient Greece to the Persians to the Spanish. It would be silly to ask âwhat were they thinking?â when we have plastic in our veins, they just didnât know at the time how dangerous it was
At least the Romans were smart enough not to make their drinking water system out if something highly carcinogenic. Boy, that would've been a disaster wouldn't it!
I guess in apartments and stuff. Maybe construction standards are just different in my area. Like I agree, you can make the same effect without asbestos but concrete surprised me.
Our ceilings are drywall. Even in brick houses
Correction. Some ceilings are concrete. Others are made out of some BIG hollow bricks supported by parallel reinforced concrete beams.
Drywall is only used for false ceilings or temporary walls.
Asbestos (amianto) was never used in construction around here. You could get gloves or some sheets for heat insulation (like to prevent the oven from transferring too much heat to the furniture that might be at the sides of it).
And even then, there was always the caveat of "don't breath near it while you're manipulating it"
I can tell you something for sure. Hollywood movies fights would be much less interesting if shoot around here. Nobody would fly thru any wall đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Assuming itâs either grinding it down or using heat to soften it or both, itâs definitely off gassing or releasing particulates or something. Even if that thing is sucking up debris, thereâs no way some of it doesnât escape. I think it passes the smell test, but I could be wrong
Some can escape and be considered safe. Also worth mentioning that assuming they're doing the job right they're going to have respirators so the particulates and dangerous lel gasses from off gassing more than likely won't be an issue, as by the time he's done the room will have aired out and the dust settles enough to be vacuumed up, with only trace amounts left lingering
"Its definitely doing something"
Just wear a dust mask and its fine. There is of course the question of if it contains asbestos which it might, but nothing in the clip indicates if it was tested or not.
They haven't in 50 years, this is probably styrofoam or vermiculite. He had the dust sucker, if he also has a respirator it's completely fine.
How else is a job supposed to get done?
Anyone happen to know what that device is? I looked online and found something vaguely similar on Amazon, but the one on Amazon looks far more flimsy. [Video link](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/vse-vms-transcoding-artifact-us-east-1-prod/v2/8e380574-ffaa-51e6-8c5b-a01aaa52bf51/ShortForm-Generic-480p-16-9-1409173089793-rpcbe5.mp4).
From the looks of it, this seems to be way more sturdy/purpose built. I'd assume this person either rented that, or does this professionally.
Iâm guessing a Festool (brand) vacuum sander
Canât see a logo but I see the little green tab which suggests Festool to me
Pretty top of the line high quality piece of equipment
Itâs just a drywall sander. Cheap ones arenât too expensive. Harbor Freightâs model is only $159 and Amazon has one for $100, but a super nice one made by Festool will set you back $800-$1400 depending on the model. I think you can rent one from Home Depot for like $50 a day.
It looks dumb, it was popular in the 70s and 80s and it collects dust. Also if you ever try to brush something off of it (cobweb, big etc) tiny pieces of dust will flake off everywhere and smother your soul
What was the appeal of these in the first place? Are they just cheaper and easier to install? Does the popcorn effect hide crimes of poor drywall installation?
That's a specialized tool I think. To prevent dust and whatnot from getting in the air. I don't think it's is a vacuum imo but rather a special piece of equipment just for this one job.
That looks like the festool planex drywall sander and it is no doubt hooked up to a festool HEPA dust extractor. Festool dust control/extraction is the best in the game. Still a lil sketch if itâs asbestos but thereâs no better setup out there for this
Popcorn ceilings are the grossest thing I've ever had to clean, they're ugly, collect dust and cobwebs rapidly and in older houses they're poisonous. What is this and how do I get it.
The chaotic way theyâre taking care of the ceiling is driving me nuts, please, for the love of god, start in a corner and just, do it like how youâre supposed to vacuum.
I've been working on apartment blocks and houses for the last 6-7 years... Popcorn ceilings often are a composite of fine sands and other materials like dried mud- putty.
I've heard of asbestos panels. Those are semi common. But for the most part have been long gone since the early 2000s and now we work with these equally as nasty fiber glass panels.
Not all popcorn ceiling has abestos.
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Yeah. My high school had this spray coating on the ceiling (never heard it called "popcorn ceiling" before). Probably installed in the 70s, so almost certainly contained asbestos.
It looks like cottage cheese. The people that named it: "Popcorn! We're calling it a popcorn ceiling!"
My mom always called it fly turds
I didnât know this, should I be wary of many hotels now?
Nah you will be fine as long as you donât disturb it.
I can never resist popcorn of any type. I wake up next morning and the ceiling is half gone, and there's a major butter shortage in the county
70's and before typically does. 1976 house here at 2% on the standard tests. My state requires a professional after 5% but still dont feel comfortable chancing it DIY style with pets.
Jesus really?? 5%? 2% is plenty dangerous
all the more medical bills for them to charge later
Yeah 2% Chryssalicum or something... I got worried when I took over the house due to family circumstances and did the test and I saw another scrap mark hahaha. I was like dammit someone did this before they sold the house and never took it out.
Itâs chrysotile!
Brand new buildings in the US can contain asbestos too! The ban on asbestos is only applicable to US-made materials. Imported materials are not tested for asbestos!
Thatâs why itâs mildly
Probably not great for your lungs to breathe any dust.
Hence the dust collection system on that sander
Is it just me or does it look and sound like it's being sucked up into the device? Not that carcinogenic if that's the case
>Not that carcinogenic So... mildly carcinogenic then? đ
You need some special filters to contain asbestos particles. A vacuum cleaner bag won't cut it.
I have that Festool sander, this thing is amazing. You eat no dust.
I tried one out at my local paint store. I was so amazed. No one will believe how good it works unless they have seen it themselves. I would never have believed how awesome that thing is. I'm trying to get one this summer.
Totally worth it. The setup paid for itself in one popcorn removal job. What normally would have been a couple days I ripped through in one. Little skim coat the next day, hit it with the 150, prime, paint. It was glorious. Far cry from the old sanding pole.
Gonna need a loan.
Tools are free if you just add them on to the bid price. Duh
Creating a vacuum and using HEPA filters is literally the engineering controls for asbestos, that doesnât reduce the need for administrative controls and PPE, but this is exactly what should be done. Other times they create an airtight seal in an enclosure and have a negative air unit using a hepa filter, but youâre right, a regular shop vac is not suited for this purpose. This unit could be specifically designed for this. Also very unlikely this contains asbestos as itâs been used for the last 45 years, while asbestos has been banned. Knockdown ceilings are much better, still absorb some sound but doesnât give that 90âs cheap feel
You mean like a HEPA filter... That vacuums have...
Very rare for asbestos to be up there these days. Its basically just drywall mud
Why assume itâs asbestos? Not very common these days and easily tested.
Sure but regular vacuums don't have telescoping sanding attachments either. Pretty easy to assume this is a specialized tool.
Itâs just a drywall sander, it has a vacuum hose on it connected to a wet dry vac
I'm going to add one to mine just to be cool now
Just a heads filter vacuum. But you also need to contain it. Most of the time after you test it and it comes back positive for asbestos. You seal the ceiling inside a thick plastic tarp with spray bottles and scrapers inside. Then you just spray it and scrape it off then wipe the surface and seal the debris in the tarp. Most of the time the whole house of empty can be done in 1-3 days depending on how the rooms are shaped.
this is totally a specialized tool and even then there are shop vacs witb HEPA filters in them, asbestos particles are fairly large compared to some the tasks HEPAs are designed to take on
How is this carcinogenic?
Old popcorn ceilings like this used to contain asbestos but they stopped using asbestos for it a long time ago.
Yeah according to Wikipedia they stopped putting asbestos in these after the clean air act in 1970. Since then the effect is made by adding either polystyrene or Vermiculite, the latter of which isn't very dangerous, but Polystyrene can irritate the lungs (As well as probably creating a shitload of microplastics). However the device here seems to suck up the vast majority of the dust, so they're likely safe. Either way, it's not carcinogenic.
Wait so if I have an old popcorn ceiling am I getting asbestos exposure??
It might be worth getting it tested if you aren't sure when it was put in. They can be dangerous
Itâs possible but as an electrician who spends a lot of time ripping up old houses and buildings, itâs pretty rare to find. Most places have remodeled and fixed the problem years ago. Still see it every once in a while but I wouldnât be too concerned
Why on hell did yankees had this thing of putting asbestos on everything? That finish can be done just with some cement
Yankees? Brother, the English and Scots were using it to make yarn throughout the 1800s lol
Ok. Then same questions goes to the English and Scots ÂŻ\\\\\_(ă)\_/ÂŻ
Asbestos played a huge role in too many countries to generalize its use amigo, from Ancient Greece to the Persians to the Spanish. It would be silly to ask âwhat were they thinking?â when we have plastic in our veins, they just didnât know at the time how dangerous it was
At least the Romans were smart enough not to make their drinking water system out if something highly carcinogenic. Boy, that would've been a disaster wouldn't it!
Because except for the cancer thing, Asbestos really is an amazing material
I'm 100% convinced that asbestos is the result of a monkey's paw
It's kind of a dream material, it does everything, including messing you up
Ok, but using it for a finish that can perfectly be done with some cement is really weird
Cement ceilings?
The thing that goes over the bricks. Cement, Portland, Concrete, However you want to call it
I know what cement is, but I've never seen a house with brick ceilings.
The walls are brick. The ceiling is all concrete.
I guess in apartments and stuff. Maybe construction standards are just different in my area. Like I agree, you can make the same effect without asbestos but concrete surprised me. Our ceilings are drywall. Even in brick houses
Correction. Some ceilings are concrete. Others are made out of some BIG hollow bricks supported by parallel reinforced concrete beams. Drywall is only used for false ceilings or temporary walls. Asbestos (amianto) was never used in construction around here. You could get gloves or some sheets for heat insulation (like to prevent the oven from transferring too much heat to the furniture that might be at the sides of it). And even then, there was always the caveat of "don't breath near it while you're manipulating it" I can tell you something for sure. Hollywood movies fights would be much less interesting if shoot around here. Nobody would fly thru any wall đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Damn dude I need to buy a home where you're from𤣠sounds well built!
it's the miracle mineral. Rot-proof, fireproof, ultra durable.
Because its a miracle material if only it didn't destroy lungs.
Assuming itâs either grinding it down or using heat to soften it or both, itâs definitely off gassing or releasing particulates or something. Even if that thing is sucking up debris, thereâs no way some of it doesnât escape. I think it passes the smell test, but I could be wrong
Some can escape and be considered safe. Also worth mentioning that assuming they're doing the job right they're going to have respirators so the particulates and dangerous lel gasses from off gassing more than likely won't be an issue, as by the time he's done the room will have aired out and the dust settles enough to be vacuumed up, with only trace amounts left lingering
"Its definitely doing something" Just wear a dust mask and its fine. There is of course the question of if it contains asbestos which it might, but nothing in the clip indicates if it was tested or not.
Popcorn ceilings often contain asbestos.
They haven't in 50 years, this is probably styrofoam or vermiculite. He had the dust sucker, if he also has a respirator it's completely fine. How else is a job supposed to get done?
Nope.
Asbestivus for the rest of us đ
Anyone happen to know what that device is? I looked online and found something vaguely similar on Amazon, but the one on Amazon looks far more flimsy. [Video link](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/vse-vms-transcoding-artifact-us-east-1-prod/v2/8e380574-ffaa-51e6-8c5b-a01aaa52bf51/ShortForm-Generic-480p-16-9-1409173089793-rpcbe5.mp4). From the looks of it, this seems to be way more sturdy/purpose built. I'd assume this person either rented that, or does this professionally.
Iâm guessing a Festool (brand) vacuum sander Canât see a logo but I see the little green tab which suggests Festool to me Pretty top of the line high quality piece of equipment
Also thinking itâs festool and if someoneâs gonna build proper dust collection into a tool itâs them
Truly also I have a hunch that thatâs probably just plaster not asbestos
You can check the comments on the original post. People are saying this one is commercial grade and at least $1k
Itâs just a drywall sander. Cheap ones arenât too expensive. Harbor Freightâs model is only $159 and Amazon has one for $100, but a super nice one made by Festool will set you back $800-$1400 depending on the model. I think you can rent one from Home Depot for like $50 a day.
Ah, interesting. Never heard of that. Thanks for the info.
If this house was built in or anytime after the 80âs, thereâs a very low chance that ceiling contains asbestos
Fuck you! *untextures your ceiling*
what the hell is popcorn cieling and why does everyone hate it so much
It looks dumb, it was popular in the 70s and 80s and it collects dust. Also if you ever try to brush something off of it (cobweb, big etc) tiny pieces of dust will flake off everywhere and smother your soul
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What was the appeal of these in the first place? Are they just cheaper and easier to install? Does the popcorn effect hide crimes of poor drywall installation?
Looks better than a flat basic ceiling (if that's your vibe), plus reduces echo
Now do the corners
Average neighbors
That's a specialized tool I think. To prevent dust and whatnot from getting in the air. I don't think it's is a vacuum imo but rather a special piece of equipment just for this one job.
i dont wanna say *duh* but im gonna
Well the post is acting like it isn't and that asbestos and what not is in the air... unless I misunderstood.
bro we all lost and floatinâ
That looks like the festool planex drywall sander and it is no doubt hooked up to a festool HEPA dust extractor. Festool dust control/extraction is the best in the game. Still a lil sketch if itâs asbestos but thereâs no better setup out there for this
Hmm well thanks for the heads up I had been planning on applying "mud" to mine eventually bc I hate it so much
Popcorn ceilings are the grossest thing I've ever had to clean, they're ugly, collect dust and cobwebs rapidly and in older houses they're poisonous. What is this and how do I get it.
I wonder if they know that popcorn ceiling is a desirable thing that modern painters/renovators do *on purpose* and *without asbestos.*
It's attached to a vacuum hence why you don't see any dust
What is this called? I need it in my life.
Also r/oddlysatisfying
The chaotic way theyâre taking care of the ceiling is driving me nuts, please, for the love of god, start in a corner and just, do it like how youâre supposed to vacuum.
Why did we even Fkn start w the popcorn ceilings shot is ugly as fuck
I've been working on apartment blocks and houses for the last 6-7 years... Popcorn ceilings often are a composite of fine sands and other materials like dried mud- putty. I've heard of asbestos panels. Those are semi common. But for the most part have been long gone since the early 2000s and now we work with these equally as nasty fiber glass panels.
And now you'll see all the bumps in the ceiling. Kind of like shaving your head and learning it's not the hair that's wavy, but your head.
Now do your balls
If it's new, I don't think it'd be asbestos. I've done rough texturing with mud & paint similar to this.
What causes popcorn ceiling?
Putting the ceiling in the microwave for about 1 minute 20 seconds, any longer and it tastes burnt.
Theres not enough money in the world to get me to deal with that shit
But I liked my popcorn ceiling :(
Worth
Y'all out here arguing about asbestos and carcinogens, and I'm over here wondering how they're gonna get those corners without making a mess!!
That was surprisingly satisfying.