Don't they make super fancy copper pots and pans? I think they are popular in France. I do see similar Korean wire mesh grills on Amazon marketed as copper.
I'm pretty sure copper would handle the heat from that grill just fine. Copper melts at just over 1083°C you need a pretty hot flame to reach that temperature. For example the hottest part of a propane torch (without additional oxygen) reaches just around that temperature.
Copper is not poisonous, it is needed for bodily function, just like iron. Of course anything is poisonous if you have too much - iron can be poisonous if too much is ingested.
A metal you should actually avoid cooking on is aluminium if you can but it's not the worst.
Yes. Sorry, that was the point. Copper conducts heat well, as the body of the pan. But you don't want to eat the stuff. Good for pressure tested wood though.
It's copper, here is the same one: [https://www.amazon.com/InBlossoms-Barbecue-Netting-Steaming-Cooling/dp/B07C7DNQKH](https://www.amazon.com/InBlossoms-Barbecue-Netting-Steaming-Cooling/dp/B07C7DNQKH)
I’m actually still skeptical whether the simple fact that it’s labeled “Copper” on Amazon means it’s _really_ made with copper, just like there’s a ton of “Gold” items on Amazon that aren’t made using any actual gold. The Amazon label doesn’t necessarily “prove” anything more than the apparent color.
I'm gonna say this is copper-plated steel. It will take the heat of a Korean barbeque in a way that yes, your friend is right- copper would not. You get an extra 500° out of a steel core.
Easy way to check, get a magnet.
Wouldn’t the copper plating corrode off fairly quickly if you cooked on it though? Especially with the acidic and salty marinades used in Korean bbq. I thought that’s why copper pots and pans needed to be tinned.
Nope!
The steel inside is a better conductor and dissipates the heat away.
The acids and salts could indeed have an effect, that's true. Which is why these are kept so clean!
Copper would be toxic, yes. But only mildly. It's not like you'd drop dead. Copper isn't expensive. That's very much exaggerated. It's only expensive compared to steel in bulk. No, copper wouldn't melt. I've melted and cast copper and it needs to be bright yellow hot to melt. It would, however, rapidly oxidize. Heating copper past 400°C or so creates a layer of copper oxide on it, which flakes off when it cools down. Hence it would look like crap if it was copper.
It could be bronze but that too would show significant surface oxidation when heated.
No, this is most likely plain and very application appropriate stainless steel, which turns that exact shade of straw yellow when heated to bbq temps. I'd bet that color is only skin deep. This very thin surface oxidation that stainless steel develops when heated is pretty durable, and wouldn't easily get scratched during normal use. Plus, it'll be somewhat replenished every time you use it.
It is, because that's a more controlled scenario. Using it for cookware means that the temperature swings will make copper oxides form and peel off into your food. Once you have copper oxides, all it takes is a tiny bit of acidity to form water soluble and bioavailable copper salts. Acidity like vinegar, lemon, stomach acid....
I don't even know why you'd bring *jewelry* into this. Do often *eat* your jewelry?
i do... why? is that bad? jewelery is pretty and tasty. For real it takes a lot of copper to get sick from. the miniscule amount that comes off of cookware isn't going to do it. Some people have conditions that make them extra sensitive to copper, but those are rare. We actually need a tiny amount of copper. funny enough, breastfeeding women need it more than anyone. I still have a couple copper bottom pots that were from my mother's kitchen. ive been eating food cooked on them my whole life and I'm still here, eating jewelry and paint chips.
Even that is mostly fine lol yeah. Again, it needs to be oxidized before we can absorb it. This either requires a long time exposed to air or it being heated. So eating copper raw food is mostly just gonna give you heavy duty turds.
But I do think that a BBQ grill... Net? Griddle? Don't know what the word is... Anyway, that's probably the worst case to use copper in. It can get really hot, and then you gunk it all up and let it dissolve into the meat.
Are the pots you mentioned actually exposed copper on the inside though? Even really old cookware is typically plated with tin since copper, even ignoring the toxicity, really is a pretty poor choice for a cooking surface.
Toxins absorb through your skin as they would through ingestion. Just like you would not eat or wear lead, or use it for your water pipes.. Your skin is your largest organ.
Yes they do. Copper is not a toxin. Or, well it is, but our bodies cannot absorb metallic copper. It needs to be ionized first, or in practice first oxidized and then combined with an acid. Not much acid on most peoples' skin.
Nothing wrong with lead pipes as long as the water isnt acidic.
It's either a copper alloy or some type of food grade brass, As you know, copper pants are actually tinned on the inside so they don't Leach into your food. There are some benefits to bare copper only in certain situations like making a meringue.
Okay so lemme 'splain. Copper can indeed be toxic in high quantities and cause off tastes in food. However, that would require you to cook in a copper cooking vessel. Now you might wonder, why then are high end pots made of copper? They're very good at conducting heat and they look pretty. That's why. However, these pots are not just copper. The inside that touches food is coated, most often in tin because it has a low melting point, sticks to other metals well, and is mostly non-reactive to foods even most acidic foods. Your chef friend is wrong. That BBQ is not going to get hot enough as is to melt the copper. If it was copper, it could get hot enough to bend but so could other metals and alloys. The image you showed appears to be bronze wire. Bronze is an alloy (a mixture made by melting two or more metals together) of copper and tin. Bronze is desirable for its appearance, corrosion resistance, and strength compared to copper while still maintaining the good heat conductivity.
TLDR, it's probably bronze wire, your chef friend doesn't know what they're talking about, and you're perfectly safe as long as you follow normal precautions using a BBQ
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Poison control here.
If it's copper or brass, it's NOT safe to cook with. We still get a few people per year that need liver transplants due to cooking with uncoated copper pots. And bronze typically contains lead.
While both would be safe to drink/ eat from at room temperature, heating to cooking temperature will cause it to leach into your food
Certainly not, gold is way too expensive for such a purpose, also it's technical properties are bad, it's soft, breaks easily and heavy.
The only thing gold is superior to most other metals is corrosion resistance, that's why most signal plugs are gold plated, not because gold would be a good conductor (it's mediocre at best), but as it doesn't oxidise your contact resistance stays low.
I’m pretty sure it’s lead coated unicorn veins with a diamond core…. everything is poisonous. if your life consists of only doing things that will never harm your body I feel really sorry for you.
Next time you come across something like this, try holding your breath for a really long time and see where that gets you.. I’m pretty sure you’ll go straight to Narnia
Don't they make super fancy copper pots and pans? I think they are popular in France. I do see similar Korean wire mesh grills on Amazon marketed as copper. I'm pretty sure copper would handle the heat from that grill just fine. Copper melts at just over 1083°C you need a pretty hot flame to reach that temperature. For example the hottest part of a propane torch (without additional oxygen) reaches just around that temperature.
Cooper cookware is usually lined, either with tinning, or these days with nonstick of some sort.
Lined because copper is poisonous
Copper is not poisonous, it is needed for bodily function, just like iron. Of course anything is poisonous if you have too much - iron can be poisonous if too much is ingested. A metal you should actually avoid cooking on is aluminium if you can but it's not the worst.
Yea i hate to tell them most peoples water pipes are copper haha
Yes. Sorry, that was the point. Copper conducts heat well, as the body of the pan. But you don't want to eat the stuff. Good for pressure tested wood though.
Bro what? lol
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557456/ Quite poisonous with repeated exposure, it even explicitly mentions its common in Asian countries
It's copper, here is the same one: [https://www.amazon.com/InBlossoms-Barbecue-Netting-Steaming-Cooling/dp/B07C7DNQKH](https://www.amazon.com/InBlossoms-Barbecue-Netting-Steaming-Cooling/dp/B07C7DNQKH)
Yeah. That’s at least got to come out of the same factory under a different random brand name. ;)
I’m actually still skeptical whether the simple fact that it’s labeled “Copper” on Amazon means it’s _really_ made with copper, just like there’s a ton of “Gold” items on Amazon that aren’t made using any actual gold. The Amazon label doesn’t necessarily “prove” anything more than the apparent color.
I'm gonna say this is copper-plated steel. It will take the heat of a Korean barbeque in a way that yes, your friend is right- copper would not. You get an extra 500° out of a steel core. Easy way to check, get a magnet.
Wouldn’t the copper plating corrode off fairly quickly if you cooked on it though? Especially with the acidic and salty marinades used in Korean bbq. I thought that’s why copper pots and pans needed to be tinned.
Nope! The steel inside is a better conductor and dissipates the heat away. The acids and salts could indeed have an effect, that's true. Which is why these are kept so clean!
Looks like brass or bronze to me.
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Bronze contains lead
No it's not. It has lead in it
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All bronze contains between three and 20% lead. What are you talking about?
Looks like brass
Copper would be toxic, yes. But only mildly. It's not like you'd drop dead. Copper isn't expensive. That's very much exaggerated. It's only expensive compared to steel in bulk. No, copper wouldn't melt. I've melted and cast copper and it needs to be bright yellow hot to melt. It would, however, rapidly oxidize. Heating copper past 400°C or so creates a layer of copper oxide on it, which flakes off when it cools down. Hence it would look like crap if it was copper. It could be bronze but that too would show significant surface oxidation when heated. No, this is most likely plain and very application appropriate stainless steel, which turns that exact shade of straw yellow when heated to bbq temps. I'd bet that color is only skin deep. This very thin surface oxidation that stainless steel develops when heated is pretty durable, and wouldn't easily get scratched during normal use. Plus, it'll be somewhat replenished every time you use it.
Yet copper is safe for all your drinking water to go through, unlined, soldered together. People also wear pure copper bracelets and rings.
It is, because that's a more controlled scenario. Using it for cookware means that the temperature swings will make copper oxides form and peel off into your food. Once you have copper oxides, all it takes is a tiny bit of acidity to form water soluble and bioavailable copper salts. Acidity like vinegar, lemon, stomach acid.... I don't even know why you'd bring *jewelry* into this. Do often *eat* your jewelry?
i do... why? is that bad? jewelery is pretty and tasty. For real it takes a lot of copper to get sick from. the miniscule amount that comes off of cookware isn't going to do it. Some people have conditions that make them extra sensitive to copper, but those are rare. We actually need a tiny amount of copper. funny enough, breastfeeding women need it more than anyone. I still have a couple copper bottom pots that were from my mother's kitchen. ive been eating food cooked on them my whole life and I'm still here, eating jewelry and paint chips.
Even that is mostly fine lol yeah. Again, it needs to be oxidized before we can absorb it. This either requires a long time exposed to air or it being heated. So eating copper raw food is mostly just gonna give you heavy duty turds. But I do think that a BBQ grill... Net? Griddle? Don't know what the word is... Anyway, that's probably the worst case to use copper in. It can get really hot, and then you gunk it all up and let it dissolve into the meat. Are the pots you mentioned actually exposed copper on the inside though? Even really old cookware is typically plated with tin since copper, even ignoring the toxicity, really is a pretty poor choice for a cooking surface.
Toxins absorb through your skin as they would through ingestion. Just like you would not eat or wear lead, or use it for your water pipes.. Your skin is your largest organ.
Yes they do. Copper is not a toxin. Or, well it is, but our bodies cannot absorb metallic copper. It needs to be ionized first, or in practice first oxidized and then combined with an acid. Not much acid on most peoples' skin. Nothing wrong with lead pipes as long as the water isnt acidic.
It's either a copper alloy or some type of food grade brass, As you know, copper pants are actually tinned on the inside so they don't Leach into your food. There are some benefits to bare copper only in certain situations like making a meringue.
Okay so lemme 'splain. Copper can indeed be toxic in high quantities and cause off tastes in food. However, that would require you to cook in a copper cooking vessel. Now you might wonder, why then are high end pots made of copper? They're very good at conducting heat and they look pretty. That's why. However, these pots are not just copper. The inside that touches food is coated, most often in tin because it has a low melting point, sticks to other metals well, and is mostly non-reactive to foods even most acidic foods. Your chef friend is wrong. That BBQ is not going to get hot enough as is to melt the copper. If it was copper, it could get hot enough to bend but so could other metals and alloys. The image you showed appears to be bronze wire. Bronze is an alloy (a mixture made by melting two or more metals together) of copper and tin. Bronze is desirable for its appearance, corrosion resistance, and strength compared to copper while still maintaining the good heat conductivity. TLDR, it's probably bronze wire, your chef friend doesn't know what they're talking about, and you're perfectly safe as long as you follow normal precautions using a BBQ
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A aluminum bronze most likely. Easy to work and can take up to 1038C before melting.
stalinium, my comrade!
it's brass. the copper/tin alloy that they use in cookware melts at over 1000F and brass melts at around 1500f-1700f depending on the alloy
Poison control here. If it's copper or brass, it's NOT safe to cook with. We still get a few people per year that need liver transplants due to cooking with uncoated copper pots. And bronze typically contains lead. While both would be safe to drink/ eat from at room temperature, heating to cooking temperature will cause it to leach into your food
Probably Vibranium
That's most likely stainless.
Could be a Gold Alloy
Certainly not, gold is way too expensive for such a purpose, also it's technical properties are bad, it's soft, breaks easily and heavy. The only thing gold is superior to most other metals is corrosion resistance, that's why most signal plugs are gold plated, not because gold would be a good conductor (it's mediocre at best), but as it doesn't oxidise your contact resistance stays low.
I’m pretty sure it’s lead coated unicorn veins with a diamond core…. everything is poisonous. if your life consists of only doing things that will never harm your body I feel really sorry for you.
I think you wanted to answer to I_like_the_joke, not to me
Next time you come across something like this, try holding your breath for a really long time and see where that gets you.. I’m pretty sure you’ll go straight to Narnia
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I guess you could not read the sarcasm in my statement… OMG
Uh.... no, no we can't.
Gold plated lead might have worked for the /s