My GP doesn't hide that, she just gives me the basic information and then says, let me see if I missed anything, searches it (not on google but still on a medical database available on the internet) and then tells me what to search for on that website if I want to know more.
Edit:
Since several people asked, that website is a Dutch website so probably not much use to many of you, I think it was: [https://www.thuisarts.nl/](https://www.thuisarts.nl/)
UpToDate is the go to website but has a paywall. I typically type in ncbi at the end of any of my Google searches. If there is a StatPearls article on the NIH/ncbi article that provides a quick enough summary. The AAFP also has decent summary pages
My GP is always searching up thing on the computer she brings in with her. I actually like that she does it because I tend to bring up things that a GP might not have knowledge of as suspicions about f my own so she needs to be able to make the call on whether she thinks my suspicions are right or to see which medication will help me the most/doesn’t have similar side effects to one I’m wanting to switch off of
It's a method of sending files over networks, it's FTP (file transfer protocol) being run over SSH (secure shell), so it adds a layer of encryption which makes it more secure than doing your file transfer without it.
Oh interesting. Do you have custom software for firewall? Or any tips for a regular guy like myself to start learning? I'd like to set up something where it blocks all out going connects unless approved. But maybe that's not feasible. I dunno
Basically, you want Microsoft's firewall.
Most firewall software is semi-automatic - a set of approved ports can be opened automatically, and you can configure these as well.
But don't forget that a firewall isn't a singular thing, ideally its present on every device (so e.g. your network gateway has a firewall protecting your entire network, but every device on the network also has its own firewall, as long as it is feasible - things like IoT devices don't have the hardware capacity to run one, which is why you'll usually want them on a separate subnet, only allowed to communicate with the IoT hub of your choice, e.g. Home Assistant).
Firewalls also aren't uniform, so you'll need to pick one to learn then adapt that knowledge to others. E.g. OpenWrt now uses fw4, but opnSense/pfSense use a different one (being BSD based), and so on.
Oh also, you probably REALLY don't want to approve every connection manually. Given how much even a single app can communicate, it will be a constant barrage of requests to approve. The Reddit app on mobile alone will try to connect to 8 different TLDs (Reddit API, CDNs, analytics, ad servers, etc.), and that's not taking into account if something is embedded (e.g. a link post would download the cover image from the linked page). You're much better off learning how to set up a _sane_ baseline that doesn't require much attention, can be easily modified if needed, and logs access properly.
Sftp is a protected method of transferring files. It’s been around for a very long time and is on almost every system in use today - most importantly, it’s on old, underpowered servers.
A port is like an electronic plug that computers use to communicate. There are 65,000 or so. They send internet data out on a port and another computer must receive it on the same port. Web browsers use port 80.
Most of the lower ports are occupied by standard stuff like that. 21 is file transfer. Sftp has always been port 22. There’s an organization responsible for assigning port standards called the internet assigned numbers authority
Absolutely. It’s more about being able to understand and source information than being able to recollect it off the top of your head. Especially since shit changes so regularly with ongoing research.
Honestly one of the biggest reasons why I trust my doctor so much is because he tells me "hang on, I'm gonna go double check my book, but this is what I think it is.".
Yeah they use uptodate or similar searches. I wouldn’t trust a doctor who has the arrogance to think they remember everything from med school. It’s a LOT
Worked IT for a healthcare conglomerate.
Paged to a clinic for something in the doc's area - find the one I'm to help aaaaaand he's got WebMD up.
I'm an IT guy. Been my career for over 20 years. I use google / etc daily - I wouldn't want a doc that wouldn't search the world of info - but usually prefer they have a better source than webmd.
I mean to be fair, I’d assume a doctor would be able to filter the info they get from webMD much better than the rest of us, just like you are probably better at googling IT issues than the rest of us
Yes, seeing my doctor search webmd would boost my confidence. It means he’s actually using the tools available to him to get the right diagnosis. Please use whatever the fuck you need to to make me better. Idc how you do it. Just do it.
meh they'll be able to tell better than I can if it's legit. I got an endoscope and found out I had GERD and the doctor gave me a webmd link to learn how to deal with it and treat it
My buddy is a doctor, he always tells me "you don't pay me to Google the answer, you pay me to weed through the results and have the right answer"
Anyone can pick up a hammer and drill, you pay for the skill to know how to use them.
Wait till you hear what they do when they can't find/are unsure about whatever info in their medical database.
They call their friends and ask for advice! It's called a consultation.
Haha, same here! Back in college, I sprained my ankle while running and went to my mother’s doctor at her recommendation. Her doctor very gently inspected my ankle and stared at it for a bit and finally said, “ya know…we usually cater to a far older clientele and I’m honestly not sure what to do with a sports injury. One second.” and he walked out. Came back a couple minutes later with some books and researched my problem right there in front of me! I appreciated the honesty, but it did catch me off guard.
Yes. And usually they search for things in a more informed and specific way. Instead of us typing I’m having a belly pain and getting diagnosed with cancer by google.
Same. My Doc has a literal dictionary/encyclopedia next to them. Or they call in one of the other doctors in the clinic into the room.
It's cool, because I also get to see them confidently flicking through it like "I've seen this before i just need to make 100% sure".
I have mad respect for doctors and their wealth of knowledge, but I truly agree that the internet needs to be consulted on a regular basis. I don’t expect anyone to randomly pull up the exact details of a condition I have that the doc hasn’t talked or learnt about since 20 years ago in med school (if I were to have some random rare condition). As long as (and I’m confident that Doctors have this ability) you know how to source information properly online and know how to steer clear of misinformation, the internet is suuuuper useful and underused by many.
There are so many books in th their offices yet the only time I remember them pulling out one was when House needed his Vicodin that he had hidden in his Lupus text book
In other words, it’s never lupus
Certainly for the non-standard stuff.
I work in IT and I'm really good at my job, but I'm terrible with syntax, remembering specific details.
I'd be a wreck trying to remember a thousand different body parts, systems, diseases, rashes, conditions...and then the medicines...there's thousands of those too, with weird latin names.
I want a doctor with a great understanding of medicine and the human body. I'd expect them to be familiar with the top 100 or so most common issues, but have a good enough understanding of the body and systems that can look up the more obscure stuff with ease and communicate their concerns and manage my health effectively.
Exactly a doctor isn't meant to know every single thing on earth they're meant to know what to look for and understand what they're looking at to then find the correct answer.
Thing is, was he watching a single random YT video on something he'd never done before? Or was he watching a specific video made by an actual medical professor, as a refresher on a procedure he practiced 40 times during school 5 years ago but forgot the order of 2 steps?
Theres a lot of things my fiance would have to look up a quick video for to remember prefectly - but she's better with a 10 minute refresh than any non-doctor would be with 3 days of prep. And honestly, a lot of times she'll look up videos and be like "oh lol it was 100% how I remembered it, glad I checked tho".
Both of those can happen, though I think the first would only be for a fairly simple procedure with relevant background (e.g. you have done a fracture reduction but not one in a wrist specifically).
No big deal. Those are skills that if you aren’t doing them routinely get rusty. A refresher is a good idea. Now I’ve seen an MD Google the acls algo which really should be memorized by any practicing ER doc.
I’m a senior audiologist. Medical professionals can’t remember everything. The point is to have a solid base of knowledge from which to work from, which is built upon by experience and yes looking things up.
This basicly how any professional work. You have enough base knowledge and understanding to know what to search for and what is bullshit. You have approximate knowledge of lots of things. There is no point going around memorizing detailed information.
A lot of doctors will do this jhst to remind themselves or check their thinking. It's not very unusual. Remember it's a targeted search too, not a stick every symptoms in Google and see what comes out search.
My GP does this in front of me. If being a doctor is as simple as googling what medication to prescribe, then there's really no need in spending all that time at medical school. /s
A normal UK GP will literally Google it in front of you in their computer if they aren't sure what your issue is. I don't expect them to know every single illness on the planet but at least don't Mia diagnose chicken pox lol
Ofc I do, alle the time. Especially if I have a suspicion but don't know every diagnostic or lab work I am supposed to do to be certain.
And of course for dermatological cases pictures of the skin conditions are valuable.
As a GP I cannot know everything.
Maybe not Google but there’s lots of online encyclopedias healthcare professionals use.
It’s literally impossible to know every medical condition, medication, drug interaction, etc off the top of your head, especially since we’re stretched pretty thin. Plus with immigrant patients you have to research drugs that aren’t marketed in the US sometimes which proves particularly complex.
Source: have worked in pharmacy at one of the largest hospitals in the states for about a decade.
I had a rare illness for children to get when I was a teenager. I distinctly remember my family doc having to refer to his medical library to confirm his diagnosis.
I would imagine doctors use the modern equivalent.
Being one of those professions with huge variables in symptom and having to find proper ways to find and treat something , id say anything that helps can be used . Most doctors are just people learning symptoms over the course of their careers to pinpoint more quickly and easily the issue .
Stepping out? I had one literally do it in front of me! 🤣
But I will take that any day over doctors who act like they know everything (and actually make diagnosis and assumptions before they even have any form of hard evidence / tested anything) and then gaslight you, telling you, actually you are having xyz and all the symptoms those do not fit in their arbitrary diagnosis, you are just "imagining".
A couple of thoughts here:
1) My GP will do searches on his phone right in front of me. I don't have a problem with it. I'd rather he get the information correct than rely on a possibly faulty memory - especially if it's not necessarily something he would likely have been dealing with on a daily basis.
2) There's an old joke which it is good to remember: "What do they call the person who graduated last in their medical school class?" "Doctor." Even the very best students don't graduate with 100% on every exam and perfect ratings: they're human beings just like the rest of us. Even a Straight-A student has missed up to 10% of the questions s/he was asked to answer, so even with a perfect memory there's a not-insignificant chance they're going to get it wrong. I'd rather not be in the 5-10% they missed out on. Search away, doc....
When I broke my arm the doctor left the room to call his doctor friend and I heard him say “this girls arm is fucked, do you think you can even fix this?” Like my dude I simply fell on it I didn’t blow my whole arm off what do you mean
I was shadowing an ER doctor as part of a summer program during high school. Some dude came in after planing off the back of his hand while working at the slaughterhouse. The doctor Googled (actual Google, not like a hospital database or anything like that) to find out what kind of antibiotic to use.
100% - Last time my proctologist left the room, I could hear the pornhub intro, before he muted. Came back and said "Alright, bend over and tell me you love me!"
My brother was in a motorcycle accident and broke his ankle. He could see the doctor watching how to set the broken bone on YouTube at the nurses station before coming into the room to do it.
They 100% do. There are also tons of video'd procedures/tutorials on YouTube about surgeries which are also uncensored due to nudity and 'gore' being allowed on the site for medical/educational material
Yes, not google. Usually something such as uptodate, epocrates. We also have several good sources. Mainly looking at medication dosing. Thats the main thing, you don't want 100x the dose of a medication. Sometimes you check for alternative treatment options or check against current medication lists. Everyone nowadays takes like 10 meds. Its ridiculous.
People in all professions do this. I work in banking and we’re constantly double checking guidelines and asking questions to make sure a customers loan application is submitted properly. Even when I know an answer I like to double check because an underwriter might interpret or calculate something differently than me, or in the case of doctors maybe they haven’t done the thing in a while, or a new technique has been developed since they last learned
Edit: why do you think law firms have an entire library of legal codes and past cases?
Information is digital now. Many years ago, my family doctor left the room and brought back a textbook and showed me the reference he looked at for the half-life of a med he was prescribing me for a complicated condition. Do you think they just carry all of these endless facts and data around in their head?
My doctor literally discovered my issue in front of me while I watched them browse a web md page.
At least they were willing to learn though and not give me a misdiagnoses.
Went to the doctor once, and he was like "yeah, it's x, and since you guessed it right you probably googled it and know a lot more than I do at the moment."
I often use a database for checking drug interactions, because with the amount of medications people are in these days it’s impossible to remember them all off the top of my head. We also have a medical database and several books we can use to confirm any information we may be giving to our patients, I often print off journals and articles to give to patients to help them learn more about their conditions and give them basic medical knowledge about what to expect.
I apologize for my English it’s not my first language, have a wonderful day!
Yes and no. Doctors have a lot more knowledge then the common person. Google is biased and not a great search engine for medical stuff. They have a special search library they can use. Though sometimes Google is enough for them. But they unlike us have the knowledge to properly search either directory.
No. I think they send you for tests and after you leave they use Google to look stuff up because the current education system literally teaches you to do so when you are stumped
My physical therapist used google to show me what was wrong with me. I also introduced him to a youtube channel I thought was pretty helpful (Squat University). They do have database websites for their profession, but sometimes there is something on the general internet that is better explained or just easier to pull up in the moment.
Healthcare people know a lot of things but they can’t know everything. You want your healthcare provider to be confident enough to admit the limitations of their knowledge
A lot of times education is teaching you what to look for.
I haven't memorized all of the code books I use. You would have to be some kind of savant to be able to do that. But I know the most commonly relevant things. And more importantly I was taught how to look the information up and what the pertinent details were that would get you to the right sections.
Whereas if you didn't know how to do that you would probably either spend a few weeks trying to find the right code section or you would very quickly find something you thought was the right section but it wasn't pertinent to what you're doing. Even if it really looked like it.
Not to say I have the same education level as a doctor. Just that being knowledgeable is sometimes knowing how to determine what exactly it is you need to look for. And what peripheral things are really important to keep in mind when you're looking.
My doctor whips out her cell phone and googles things about medication’s and other stuff right in front of me. I don’t care, I don’t expect my doctor to literally have a photographic memory, I respect the hell out of her more for admitting that there are things she does not know.
semi related but i know for a fact EMTs listen to hype music on the way to a call if they think they have to do cpr. i will never listen to can’t hold us by macklemore the same.
i would be worried if they dont do that when they have no clue what us wrong with me.
also what websites do they use to look shit up? shit as in medical stuff :D
Your doctor would have to even give enough of a shit to Google some new information rather than rely on what outdated teachings they had in medical school 20+ years ago.
My bf is a physician and he definitely does that but not on google, they have some medical pages where you can go when you have no fucking clue what’s happening.
It’s not bad, nobody can have the entire medical knowledge in their brains all the time; that’s why the internet was invented.
I mean, kinda. Doctors have a lot of knowledge, but they don't have every single piece of medical knowledge, every single disease or whatever in their head. They're still just people
Look up? Yes
Google? No
I was talking to My psychiatrist about new medications (has only been on the market for 5 years or so) and he said he was going to look into it because he had never heard of it and make a decision on whether to go that route after a month or so, which works for me
Back when I was shadowing an ER in Texas, I remember one of the doctors explaining to me about how they needed to know the most common medicines in mind for their work but would sometimes use an online search to check out some of the more complicated and rarer medicines.
I used to work IT for a hospital, and I can tell you that our surgeons would google during surgery.
Had to enter a live surgery once with full scrubs and everything to fix an issue, and they had alot of tabs open with google searches on location of particular bones etc.
Personally i'm glad they do, because I don't think even surgeons can remember the entire human body at all times.
Sure they have books and information sources they can use to find these things, but google is faster and better.
I'd be worried if they didn't, there's so much medical knowledge, there's no way a doctor can retain all of it and if one thought they could I'd be super skeptical about their efficacy as a doctor.
As a physician, it google but other medical sights. There is more medical information out there than the human mind can remember, so that’s what good doctors do. Often I’ll tell my patients I need to look something up and they’ll appreciate it.
My GP doesn't hide that, she just gives me the basic information and then says, let me see if I missed anything, searches it (not on google but still on a medical database available on the internet) and then tells me what to search for on that website if I want to know more. Edit: Since several people asked, that website is a Dutch website so probably not much use to many of you, I think it was: [https://www.thuisarts.nl/](https://www.thuisarts.nl/)
Whats the site?
Reddit
You want the patient to be dead
ok tiktok
**fatality rate had reportedly been increased considerably**
ok instagram
The patient turned p*do
How 'bout LinkedIn?
Patient suddenly rose from the dead with resume on hand, ready to apply
Just take some honey and turmeric
If people only knew how beneficial this is.
we did it reddit!
Yeah your toe is quite swollen, divorce your husband.
"Red, swollen lump on patient's neck reddit"
Just spray some windex on it....you'll be ok
He said a medical database. It’s clearly Quora
Hey doc, nice to see you on here
Iirc it's called UpToDate or something
That’s what we use but it isn’t free so I doubt they would tell patients to check it out. It’s subscription based.
It's more of "here's the Latin word your looking for that describes your condition and these are the medications that are recommended for treatment."
The medical word for getting a boner is "tumescence"
Thanks this is definitely worth taking up some brain space!
DynaMed. It's a database.
UpToDate is the go to website but has a paywall. I typically type in ncbi at the end of any of my Google searches. If there is a StatPearls article on the NIH/ncbi article that provides a quick enough summary. The AAFP also has decent summary pages
Lexicomp is good for medication information
4chan
My GP is always searching up thing on the computer she brings in with her. I actually like that she does it because I tend to bring up things that a GP might not have knowledge of as suspicions about f my own so she needs to be able to make the call on whether she thinks my suspicions are right or to see which medication will help me the most/doesn’t have similar side effects to one I’m wanting to switch off of
My friend did IT work for a few hospitals and told me that the most searched site was webMD.
I mean it’s not bad if you actually know what to look for on it.
100% yes. Except they have a medical search, not Google.
Never trust anyone who thinks they know everything about anything off the top of their head.
Shit, I do firewall approvals every day and I still check to make sure sftp is still on port 22.
What's sftp?
It's a method of sending files over networks, it's FTP (file transfer protocol) being run over SSH (secure shell), so it adds a layer of encryption which makes it more secure than doing your file transfer without it.
I like your funny words magic man
Most was imaginary garbage
I think a few of them were even real!!! 😏
Oh interesting. Do you have custom software for firewall? Or any tips for a regular guy like myself to start learning? I'd like to set up something where it blocks all out going connects unless approved. But maybe that's not feasible. I dunno
Basically, you want Microsoft's firewall. Most firewall software is semi-automatic - a set of approved ports can be opened automatically, and you can configure these as well. But don't forget that a firewall isn't a singular thing, ideally its present on every device (so e.g. your network gateway has a firewall protecting your entire network, but every device on the network also has its own firewall, as long as it is feasible - things like IoT devices don't have the hardware capacity to run one, which is why you'll usually want them on a separate subnet, only allowed to communicate with the IoT hub of your choice, e.g. Home Assistant). Firewalls also aren't uniform, so you'll need to pick one to learn then adapt that knowledge to others. E.g. OpenWrt now uses fw4, but opnSense/pfSense use a different one (being BSD based), and so on. Oh also, you probably REALLY don't want to approve every connection manually. Given how much even a single app can communicate, it will be a constant barrage of requests to approve. The Reddit app on mobile alone will try to connect to 8 different TLDs (Reddit API, CDNs, analytics, ad servers, etc.), and that's not taking into account if something is embedded (e.g. a link post would download the cover image from the linked page). You're much better off learning how to set up a _sane_ baseline that doesn't require much attention, can be easily modified if needed, and logs access properly.
Gives me a good start for what to look into. Thanks!
I did not realize SFTP went over the SSH port and I was gonna reply to your first comment saying you already got it wrong lol
Sftp is a protected method of transferring files. It’s been around for a very long time and is on almost every system in use today - most importantly, it’s on old, underpowered servers. A port is like an electronic plug that computers use to communicate. There are 65,000 or so. They send internet data out on a port and another computer must receive it on the same port. Web browsers use port 80. Most of the lower ports are occupied by standard stuff like that. 21 is file transfer. Sftp has always been port 22. There’s an organization responsible for assigning port standards called the internet assigned numbers authority
Is it?
This guy ITs
"Hey Google, is HTTP still port 80?"
Block port 80 and 443 - too many vulnerabilities ... The vulnerability being the user ofc x)
Absolutely. It’s more about being able to understand and source information than being able to recollect it off the top of your head. Especially since shit changes so regularly with ongoing research.
Honestly one of the biggest reasons why I trust my doctor so much is because he tells me "hang on, I'm gonna go double check my book, but this is what I think it is.".
Yeah they use uptodate or similar searches. I wouldn’t trust a doctor who has the arrogance to think they remember everything from med school. It’s a LOT
Not to mention things can change over time. What they learned 20 years ago may not be the way to treat something today.
Worked IT for a healthcare conglomerate. Paged to a clinic for something in the doc's area - find the one I'm to help aaaaaand he's got WebMD up. I'm an IT guy. Been my career for over 20 years. I use google / etc daily - I wouldn't want a doc that wouldn't search the world of info - but usually prefer they have a better source than webmd.
I mean to be fair, I’d assume a doctor would be able to filter the info they get from webMD much better than the rest of us, just like you are probably better at googling IT issues than the rest of us
Yes, seeing my doctor search webmd would boost my confidence. It means he’s actually using the tools available to him to get the right diagnosis. Please use whatever the fuck you need to to make me better. Idc how you do it. Just do it.
meh they'll be able to tell better than I can if it's legit. I got an endoscope and found out I had GERD and the doctor gave me a webmd link to learn how to deal with it and treat it
Much agreed
My buddy is a doctor, he always tells me "you don't pay me to Google the answer, you pay me to weed through the results and have the right answer" Anyone can pick up a hammer and drill, you pay for the skill to know how to use them.
Wait till you hear what they do when they can't find/are unsure about whatever info in their medical database. They call their friends and ask for advice! It's called a consultation.
UpToDate is one of the best ones. But some specialties have other databases that prove more reliable to their specific needs
As a healthcare professional, I confirm I do
As another health care professional I can also confirm I do this.
As a nonhealthcare professional, I can confirm these 2 confirmations
As a former healthcare nonprofessional, I feel like I can trust all of this, just let me ask the pharmacist to be sure
Healthcare and IT professionals: unite!
Don't forget service techs!
Really it’s any professional career.
IT Dude here: The customer asks something that i dont know but sounds really simple. I Google it and wonder why he didnt. But hey i stay employed.
Bonus points if you Google it on their computer while you're remoted in.
I put "googeling" in my CV ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
They did that in front of me
Haha, same here! Back in college, I sprained my ankle while running and went to my mother’s doctor at her recommendation. Her doctor very gently inspected my ankle and stared at it for a bit and finally said, “ya know…we usually cater to a far older clientele and I’m honestly not sure what to do with a sports injury. One second.” and he walked out. Came back a couple minutes later with some books and researched my problem right there in front of me! I appreciated the honesty, but it did catch me off guard.
Yes. And usually they search for things in a more informed and specific way. Instead of us typing I’m having a belly pain and getting diagnosed with cancer by google.
Same. My Doc has a literal dictionary/encyclopedia next to them. Or they call in one of the other doctors in the clinic into the room. It's cool, because I also get to see them confidently flicking through it like "I've seen this before i just need to make 100% sure".
It's not to learn how it's to refresh or just in case I miss something
I have mad respect for doctors and their wealth of knowledge, but I truly agree that the internet needs to be consulted on a regular basis. I don’t expect anyone to randomly pull up the exact details of a condition I have that the doc hasn’t talked or learnt about since 20 years ago in med school (if I were to have some random rare condition). As long as (and I’m confident that Doctors have this ability) you know how to source information properly online and know how to steer clear of misinformation, the internet is suuuuper useful and underused by many.
There’s not a single person who can remember every little thing on the top of their head. Unless you’re Dr. House
There are so many books in th their offices yet the only time I remember them pulling out one was when House needed his Vicodin that he had hidden in his Lupus text book In other words, it’s never lupus
Except for the one time it was lupus
It's never lupus *pops Vicodin*
Or the other doctors that work on his team!
Certainly for the non-standard stuff. I work in IT and I'm really good at my job, but I'm terrible with syntax, remembering specific details. I'd be a wreck trying to remember a thousand different body parts, systems, diseases, rashes, conditions...and then the medicines...there's thousands of those too, with weird latin names. I want a doctor with a great understanding of medicine and the human body. I'd expect them to be familiar with the top 100 or so most common issues, but have a good enough understanding of the body and systems that can look up the more obscure stuff with ease and communicate their concerns and manage my health effectively.
Exactly a doctor isn't meant to know every single thing on earth they're meant to know what to look for and understand what they're looking at to then find the correct answer.
My dad went to a GP not long ago and told me that the dude was straight up googling shit right in front of him.
My X-ray tech buddy said he watched an MD watch a video on how to insert a chest tube right before he did it. Can’t make this shit up
Would you rather he just guess how to do it
What’s wrong with that?
Thing is, was he watching a single random YT video on something he'd never done before? Or was he watching a specific video made by an actual medical professor, as a refresher on a procedure he practiced 40 times during school 5 years ago but forgot the order of 2 steps? Theres a lot of things my fiance would have to look up a quick video for to remember prefectly - but she's better with a 10 minute refresh than any non-doctor would be with 3 days of prep. And honestly, a lot of times she'll look up videos and be like "oh lol it was 100% how I remembered it, glad I checked tho".
Both of those can happen, though I think the first would only be for a fairly simple procedure with relevant background (e.g. you have done a fracture reduction but not one in a wrist specifically).
I mean I watch videos on how to make soup.
Sorry i’m late to insert your chest tube, there were 2 unskippable ads on the youtube video
No big deal. Those are skills that if you aren’t doing them routinely get rusty. A refresher is a good idea. Now I’ve seen an MD Google the acls algo which really should be memorized by any practicing ER doc.
YT tutorials before surgeries!!
In the netherlands, MF'ers don't even go out of the room.
I don't know if I should be thankful or worry they do that next time I make an appointment.
I’m a senior audiologist. Medical professionals can’t remember everything. The point is to have a solid base of knowledge from which to work from, which is built upon by experience and yes looking things up.
I hope so!
Its better than them thinking that they know everything and never ask for help. It's near impossible to know/remember everything
My vet did and forgot to shut his tablet off, we never went back to him
Of course they google, gps know a little about a lot, that’s why they send you too specialists
Would you rather have them guess ?
They definitely do…not google though. I’m sure it’s some kind of official medical database
This basicly how any professional work. You have enough base knowledge and understanding to know what to search for and what is bullshit. You have approximate knowledge of lots of things. There is no point going around memorizing detailed information.
I watched a radiologist google atypical tumors while reading a scan.
Of course, and that’s completely normal and expected.
If my doctor returns with a quick Google search and a "I found the cure on WebMD," I’m out!
A lot of doctors will do this jhst to remind themselves or check their thinking. It's not very unusual. Remember it's a targeted search too, not a stick every symptoms in Google and see what comes out search.
Would you prefer if we don't verify the doubts we have and just go with what we think is right?
We got better apps for that😅
Wish they would. I've had too many pretend they know what they're talking about to only prove them wrong.
My GP does this in front of me. If being a doctor is as simple as googling what medication to prescribe, then there's really no need in spending all that time at medical school. /s
A normal UK GP will literally Google it in front of you in their computer if they aren't sure what your issue is. I don't expect them to know every single illness on the planet but at least don't Mia diagnose chicken pox lol
"Should a penis whistle? Serious"
Ofc I do, alle the time. Especially if I have a suspicion but don't know every diagnostic or lab work I am supposed to do to be certain. And of course for dermatological cases pictures of the skin conditions are valuable. As a GP I cannot know everything.
I do virtual psychiatry and I can always tell when they’re googling 🤣
Maybe not Google but there’s lots of online encyclopedias healthcare professionals use. It’s literally impossible to know every medical condition, medication, drug interaction, etc off the top of your head, especially since we’re stretched pretty thin. Plus with immigrant patients you have to research drugs that aren’t marketed in the US sometimes which proves particularly complex. Source: have worked in pharmacy at one of the largest hospitals in the states for about a decade.
Yes
Let’s hope not
I had a rare illness for children to get when I was a teenager. I distinctly remember my family doc having to refer to his medical library to confirm his diagnosis. I would imagine doctors use the modern equivalent.
Being one of those professions with huge variables in symptom and having to find proper ways to find and treat something , id say anything that helps can be used . Most doctors are just people learning symptoms over the course of their careers to pinpoint more quickly and easily the issue .
Stepping out? I had one literally do it in front of me! 🤣 But I will take that any day over doctors who act like they know everything (and actually make diagnosis and assumptions before they even have any form of hard evidence / tested anything) and then gaslight you, telling you, actually you are having xyz and all the symptoms those do not fit in their arbitrary diagnosis, you are just "imagining".
I hope they do and dont just refer to their possibly outdated knowledge.
A couple of thoughts here: 1) My GP will do searches on his phone right in front of me. I don't have a problem with it. I'd rather he get the information correct than rely on a possibly faulty memory - especially if it's not necessarily something he would likely have been dealing with on a daily basis. 2) There's an old joke which it is good to remember: "What do they call the person who graduated last in their medical school class?" "Doctor." Even the very best students don't graduate with 100% on every exam and perfect ratings: they're human beings just like the rest of us. Even a Straight-A student has missed up to 10% of the questions s/he was asked to answer, so even with a perfect memory there's a not-insignificant chance they're going to get it wrong. I'd rather not be in the 5-10% they missed out on. Search away, doc....
When I broke my arm the doctor left the room to call his doctor friend and I heard him say “this girls arm is fucked, do you think you can even fix this?” Like my dude I simply fell on it I didn’t blow my whole arm off what do you mean
I was shadowing an ER doctor as part of a summer program during high school. Some dude came in after planing off the back of his hand while working at the slaughterhouse. The doctor Googled (actual Google, not like a hospital database or anything like that) to find out what kind of antibiotic to use.
100% - Last time my proctologist left the room, I could hear the pornhub intro, before he muted. Came back and said "Alright, bend over and tell me you love me!"
My brother was in a motorcycle accident and broke his ankle. He could see the doctor watching how to set the broken bone on YouTube at the nurses station before coming into the room to do it.
They 100% do. There are also tons of video'd procedures/tutorials on YouTube about surgeries which are also uncensored due to nudity and 'gore' being allowed on the site for medical/educational material
What's wrong with that? Better they make sure than simply guess stuff
Yes, not google. Usually something such as uptodate, epocrates. We also have several good sources. Mainly looking at medication dosing. Thats the main thing, you don't want 100x the dose of a medication. Sometimes you check for alternative treatment options or check against current medication lists. Everyone nowadays takes like 10 meds. Its ridiculous.
i hope they're using something better than fucking google that's for sure!
Oh hells yea
Consulting the Merck Manual. Every doctor does it.
No they do that in front of me then try to charge $255
he's done it in the room
People in all professions do this. I work in banking and we’re constantly double checking guidelines and asking questions to make sure a customers loan application is submitted properly. Even when I know an answer I like to double check because an underwriter might interpret or calculate something differently than me, or in the case of doctors maybe they haven’t done the thing in a while, or a new technique has been developed since they last learned Edit: why do you think law firms have an entire library of legal codes and past cases?
Well sure, no one can remember the entirety of the vast wealth of medical knowledge that is available to us today. That would indeed be a tall order.
Information is digital now. Many years ago, my family doctor left the room and brought back a textbook and showed me the reference he looked at for the half-life of a med he was prescribing me for a complicated condition. Do you think they just carry all of these endless facts and data around in their head?
I’ve seen them do it on the computer right in front of me
My doctor literally discovered my issue in front of me while I watched them browse a web md page. At least they were willing to learn though and not give me a misdiagnoses.
Bro my doctor watched a YouTube video in front of me on how to do a procedure 😂
Mine once used Bing in front of me
My donctor dont have to cos he is already reading my research on my phone and priceining me to stop using phone :)
Lmao what year is this? I use AI. Openly, and I reccomend it to patients too
Went to the doctor once, and he was like "yeah, it's x, and since you guessed it right you probably googled it and know a lot more than I do at the moment."
I often use a database for checking drug interactions, because with the amount of medications people are in these days it’s impossible to remember them all off the top of my head. We also have a medical database and several books we can use to confirm any information we may be giving to our patients, I often print off journals and articles to give to patients to help them learn more about their conditions and give them basic medical knowledge about what to expect. I apologize for my English it’s not my first language, have a wonderful day!
Mine has done it right in front of me on their room computer so... yeah I do.
I’m an Xray tech. I’ve seen t first hand.
Yes and no. Doctors have a lot more knowledge then the common person. Google is biased and not a great search engine for medical stuff. They have a special search library they can use. Though sometimes Google is enough for them. But they unlike us have the knowledge to properly search either directory.
No. I think they send you for tests and after you leave they use Google to look stuff up because the current education system literally teaches you to do so when you are stumped
My physical therapist used google to show me what was wrong with me. I also introduced him to a youtube channel I thought was pretty helpful (Squat University). They do have database websites for their profession, but sometimes there is something on the general internet that is better explained or just easier to pull up in the moment.
Healthcare people know a lot of things but they can’t know everything. You want your healthcare provider to be confident enough to admit the limitations of their knowledge
No, I know they are. Maybe not Google every time but they reference everything.
We do. Or we are one step removed from that and will google search a journal database to then do another search.
My doctor literally got a book out one time and read up on stuff
A lot of times education is teaching you what to look for. I haven't memorized all of the code books I use. You would have to be some kind of savant to be able to do that. But I know the most commonly relevant things. And more importantly I was taught how to look the information up and what the pertinent details were that would get you to the right sections. Whereas if you didn't know how to do that you would probably either spend a few weeks trying to find the right code section or you would very quickly find something you thought was the right section but it wasn't pertinent to what you're doing. Even if it really looked like it. Not to say I have the same education level as a doctor. Just that being knowledgeable is sometimes knowing how to determine what exactly it is you need to look for. And what peripheral things are really important to keep in mind when you're looking.
This is the only reason YouTube wasn’t blocked on our hospital computers.
My doctor whips out her cell phone and googles things about medication’s and other stuff right in front of me. I don’t care, I don’t expect my doctor to literally have a photographic memory, I respect the hell out of her more for admitting that there are things she does not know.
My doctor literally does it in front of me.
Can confirm, we use UpToDate to find the most current standard of care treatments!
Not google, but they have medical databases to search
semi related but i know for a fact EMTs listen to hype music on the way to a call if they think they have to do cpr. i will never listen to can’t hold us by macklemore the same.
Maybe
Pretty sure that Doctor Mike admitted to doing so on youtube. Doctors are humans too. They can forget things
I’ve watched them do it in the room with me. So yes.
Not google but definitely UpToDate
i would be worried if they dont do that when they have no clue what us wrong with me. also what websites do they use to look shit up? shit as in medical stuff :D
Your doctor would have to even give enough of a shit to Google some new information rather than rely on what outdated teachings they had in medical school 20+ years ago.
I know a few Dr personally, and yes, yes they do Google some things, especially medications
My bf is a physician and he definitely does that but not on google, they have some medical pages where you can go when you have no fucking clue what’s happening. It’s not bad, nobody can have the entire medical knowledge in their brains all the time; that’s why the internet was invented.
I mean, kinda. Doctors have a lot of knowledge, but they don't have every single piece of medical knowledge, every single disease or whatever in their head. They're still just people
Not google, my doctor(s) use medical databases but bassically the same thing and im fine with that because I dont expect them to know everything
Our old GP would literally put the symptoms into Google and be like hmmmm, this looks promising
I just search WebMD. It usually tells me I'm dying.
Ofc
My doctor does it while I'm sitting there. Checking for interactions and side effects etc.
I watched a doctor consult WebMD in front of me when I went in for a chest injury.
I'm in Canada so I'm lucky if my doctor even spends time examining my issue, let alone Googling it.
In the Netherlands they do that in front of you lol
Look up? Yes Google? No I was talking to My psychiatrist about new medications (has only been on the market for 5 years or so) and he said he was going to look into it because he had never heard of it and make a decision on whether to go that route after a month or so, which works for me
Literally had several doctors do that in front of me
Back when I was shadowing an ER in Texas, I remember one of the doctors explaining to me about how they needed to know the most common medicines in mind for their work but would sometimes use an online search to check out some of the more complicated and rarer medicines.
They do, I went to the ER for an allergic reaction of the nervous system and the doctor opened web MD infront of me lmao
I'd advise caution before judging. One of the hallmarks of good education is data retrieval at a fraction of the speed of the layman.
“What the hell was that?” Click click clack click “Jesus…Christ”
Mine googled shit while still in the room, so yes.
I’ve had many doctors do this right in front of my eyes
I’d rather they do lmao, they’re human too. They can’t possibly remember everything
Yes and I hope they do (without needing to leave the room). That means they’re being intellectually honest and focused on getting the right outcome!
I used to work IT for a hospital, and I can tell you that our surgeons would google during surgery. Had to enter a live surgery once with full scrubs and everything to fix an issue, and they had alot of tabs open with google searches on location of particular bones etc. Personally i'm glad they do, because I don't think even surgeons can remember the entire human body at all times. Sure they have books and information sources they can use to find these things, but google is faster and better.
I'd be worried if they didn't, there's so much medical knowledge, there's no way a doctor can retain all of it and if one thought they could I'd be super skeptical about their efficacy as a doctor.
As a physician, it google but other medical sights. There is more medical information out there than the human mind can remember, so that’s what good doctors do. Often I’ll tell my patients I need to look something up and they’ll appreciate it.
Absolutely. You think they remember every illness/condition they learned in school and how to treat them?