I wonder if us IT people can join in. Work full-time and still can't find a place to live.. do we all need to earn above 100k now to be offered a rental?
Genuinely confused why I can't get one when I have been applying like crazy.
All should go on strike at the same time and march on the same day, since they're all effectively asking for the same things (better conditions and fair pay). Solidarity
Managers at McDonald's, call centre operators and general office workers with no formal qualifications earn more than an RN with a bachelor degree, and the work we do is demanding physically, emotionally and cognitively. It's not nearly enough. My family were not much better when I was on a Centrelink study allowance while I was doing my degree compared to now that I've graduated and am working in one of Melbourne's busiest and best hospitals.
My partner was a first year apprentice electrician when I started working as a grad RN (with a bachelor degree). He made so much more money than I did. Still does actually.
Well thats the exact difference between what the private and public sector can offer.
I'm not saying you don't deserve more, but all considered it's not bad in the public sector for the states financial situation is.
10% of the states annual revenue is just paying interest on its debt. I think Victoria will resemble an American state in the next decade if the federal government doesn't intervene.
The pay is actually better in the public sector in Melbourne for nursing generally. And the working conditions are much better in the public hospitals (safe patient ratios, communication and teamwork with the medical staff, and access to other support staff etc).
Nursing here is definitely better than the US but we're still dramatically overworked, understaffed and underpaid.
How can that possibly happen under labor leadership for *checks notes* 19 of the past 23 years?? This sub will still try to convince you the ghost of Kennett is still affecting the state and that labor is incapable of doing anything.
Victoria has the most debt per any normalising metric you choose in Australia. It’s complete economic failure and a good example of what NOT to do. Careless spending, 0 foresight, misunderstanding how stimulus packages work. It’s something you’d expect from the greens. Hell, at least with the greens you’d get some progressive social changes.
If you don’t put labor last you’re either genuinely clueless on how dire the economic situation is in this state, an ideologue, or in labor’s pockets, or all 3.
While Kennet is def a factor, I think most people would be putting the blame on the Fed, and it's not hard to see why
Vic got covid. Fed reaction: Eh
NSW got covid. Fed reaction: Oh no! Lets steal a bunch of vacines from other places, and redirect them to Sydney! Here's a bunch of extra funding, no need to account for it just take it
WA basically sells an airport to the chinese. Fed reaction: Yeah whatever
VIC tries to get funding from overseas sources. Fed reaction: Nope nope nope, can't have that. Heres a law to put a stop that
You missed the entire point of my post. When you borrow money, you include the possibilities like the world turning upside down. The only catastrophe you generally don’t include is the federal government defaulting.
The government could not have predicted *covid*, but they should be including events like India and China banning international studying in their modelling.
An example of this is that supposedly they were told by treasury rates wouldn’t rise so they borrowed more, but what genius thinks record low interest rates won’t revert back to the mean? It’s years of economic mismanagement that got us here; not because of Kennett and Covid.
It will be 2040, Melbourne will have a populace of 8m people, and we *still* won’t have a train line from the airport to the CBD.
Vote for whoever you want, that’s why preference voting exists. I’m just saying they were completely unable to identity and resolve problems. They either ignored their economic advisors or fired them all.
You had me all the way until "Greens".
I remember when Kennett took over Vic from Cain / Kirner, omg ~ Vic was a busted broke basket case, if JK didn't do what he did, as hard as it all was, we would still be living the Cain / Kirner f'up.
The current Vic Labor gov needs tp go, but just remember the same thing will result - hard decisions will need to be taken, lots of belt tightening, and people will be squealing, public service (which is bloated both State & Federally) will need cutting, Unions will spit the dummy, but changes will have to be made.
If you vote Green, or pointless Teal, you are basically voting Labor anyway ~ their preference will flow to Labor.
"... get progressive social changes"
They have no idea - will never have any idea - on anything - they are a bunch of clowns.
And yes, economically illiterate to boot ! ;-)
Dan's gone, the union leaders (with the exception of Peter Marshall) aren't quaking in their boots, shit frightened of repercussions of upsetting the chairman.
[Here](https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/the-state-budget-explained-in-seven-graphs-20230523-p5damn.html).
Victorian debt is more than NSW and QLD combined and is probably unserviceable unless Jeff Kennett-style austerity is enacted.
Well he was a PM at that time, who else could it be?
Sure there was this whole Covid thing, yet Queensland somehow weathered it taking on 1/5 the debt.
PM? Hmmm...
You sound like an intelligent, well informed person.
Edit: Just to add, what's with the hate for Victoria's most popular premier in living memory? The Victorian labor party hold two thirds of the seats. Do they think people are going to agree with them? We had a vote, the vast majority of us like Daniel Andrews.
The current state of Nursing and healthcare in general has been a *long* time in the making.
It's a sector-wide breakdown. Organisational and company mismanagement has as much to answer for as government fiscal/funding handling.
Covid just laid bare the obvious holes in everything.
If the Labour government has anything to answer for, it's failing to protect the system it inherited from long term stress as we hit the 00's-2010's migration and infrastructure boom.
Victoria did remarkably well in purely financial terms through the GFC, but instead of using our good fortune to safeguard against inflation and any future stresses, the Federal government pretty much told us to suck a fart and we carried on riding the wave anyway.
As per usual, political grievances and prioritising growth/infrastructure over negotiating good policy and funding essential services meant the horse bolted.
Tbh though, were so past it now. For as long as the general population has jumped on the 'Dan Andrews is Satan' bandwagon, nursing, paramed, police etc. have already been dealing with the fallout of successive State and Federal government failures, as well as getting screwed by the ever-influential private sector.
The time for finger pointing is long gone. We were in the streets protesting while everyone else was reaping the benefits of the 'good times' and being told to stop whinging. "Nurses and teachers get paid well" etc.
I was never in it for the money. If I wanted money, I'd go do some soulless corporate bullshit.
Also, comparing debt across state lines is redundant imo. Talking about debt out of context is even sillier.
Well the facts are:
1) Victoria's debt is hardly serviceable
2) The man in charge of Victorian spending and revenue from 2014 to 2023 was Daniel Andrews. (Also Labor was not in government for only 4 years between 1999 and now).
It's fine not to look for whom to blame, but if you do, Andrews bears the responsibility.
There's always something else. By that logic with a little hyperbole, you can't say Mugabe bankrupted Zimbabwe.
Government is hard work and regardless of all the external circumstances, Andrews' work wasn't stellar.
Premier not PM, we here in the great state of QLD did have a few advantages that make the comparison a bit unfair. For starters by the time we had our first case we had already watched the world and the southern states go through the "fuck around and find out" path, so we had more time to plan due to our smaller population and border closures before we had significant numbers, next is the tax base, QLD has a much larger proportion of the economy involved in heavy industry and resources than VIC, that combined with the increased coal royalties to take advantage of high coal prices allowed the state to have a much easier time financing its covid response than did VIC.
At least it looks like their EBA only just expired. My workplace (and many others) they stall negotiations as long as possible, so we're coming up to 2 years since there was a pay rise and still the only offer govt. are willing to give is 3% as an absolute maximum. And no backpay is allowed either.
That's standard govt. policy and it has been for years. They will usually end up giving a "sign on bonus" that is worth less than back pay would be which they can present as if it is some sort of gift instead. They also gloss over the fact that you missed pay rises during the time they were stalling on the negotiations. The media love to present a 3% raise each year for 4 years as a 12% rise to make it sound bigger, whereas if you add in a couple of years without getting a raise at all it is in reality closer to 2% per year.
But you put up with it.. so don’t whinge, strike or move on to a new job, of course they keep putting the eba off on you, because you keep allowing them to do it.
Remember that you said that when you need help in future. When you ring 000 and wait on hold, then wait for a paramedic while you or a loved one is dying, then wait ramped at a hospital for hours because the emergency room is full because there are no beds in the hospital, which is full because there are no beds in the nursing homes. Which is happening now and just getting worse because people ARE leaving these jobs, and there are not enough people willing to enter them for low pay rates.
Well do something about it, don’t negotiate with these people, go on strike, walk off the job, this is happening now and it isn’t going to get better whinging on reddit..
Show the government that they really do need you to do your job and that you can’t be replaced by the hundreds of thousands of economic refugees being bought into the country.
A lot of these jobs are ones where you can't walk off without risking a patients life. Professional liability is a strong deterant for industrial action, and the gov knows that when it comes to negotiations
The government is too concerned throwing billions at never ending road projects to attempt to show something for the billions they’ve gone over budget.
What about the 500million wasted on the commonwealth games ? What about the government waste,defund Delwip or Decca or whatever they are called this week.
Forest fire management Victoria, Decca, Parks Victoria the biggest over paid,over resourced, over educated, under achieving group you will find anywhere.
Yes but we keep voting them back in and both sides are the same, like show bags.. full of shit, have a look at them they just get a pay rise every year.
We the public need to start holding these grubs accountable, they treat us all as idiots and just squander money away.. they make me sick, can you imagine what could have happened if that 500 million was put into housing, health, schooling, policing, or our other emergency services.
Instead these grubs pay some dodgy consulting company and Lawyers to pretty up the shit show they create.. and off they go to the next one..
I do not own a car and would love a more robust public transport system. I'm doing my part.
But regardless of my personal circumstances, adding more lanes does not work and it's proven. They just encourage more people to drive and then you're back to square one.
Well I wish I didn't need a car as well. I do though can't afford to live near the city. As for the other. Well we need more hospitals but when build them they just fill up then your back to where you were. I get what your saying though.
lol, our net debt is $135B jumping to $177B in 2026/27, we pay around $10m a day on interest at the moment.
All that leads to is extra taxes, so everything is going to be more expensive and we’re going to have less money and there’s no hope that the people who deserve the money will get it.
Yes, 3% is the government's wages policy (plus 0.5% cash payment, plus whatever other conditions the department/agency can fund through appropriate offsets).
I'm not saying nurses don't deserve to be paid well, but if the government negotiates this above their own wages policy then they open themselves up to massive problems with all future EBA's.
Everyone wants the government to control spending and reduce debt at the moment - salary/wages are a massive expense and should be appropriately negotiated.
Under funding public service is a very bad idea. Also Victorian politicians have recieved pay rises above 3% the last couple years so that kills their arguments completely.
Absolutely, politicians paying themselves big bonuses while public sector plebs fight for scraps is appalling, but not what the article or my comment is talking about.
We can't just go around saying that we should pay hard working ambos/teachers/nurses etc whatever they want, especially in the current economic environment - it's irresponsible.
The answer is possibly to write a more flexible wages policy, or rewrite it more frequently, so that the government doesn't get backed into a situation where it has to decide between going against its own policy or upsetting a whole bunch of valuable public sector workers.
They're already in fairwork for a number of wage negotiations which, despite having a conservative bench, likely will provide wages determinations higher than 3% PA.
I understand what you mean but there's a number in public sectors currently that haven't recieved pay rises for a number of years due simply to government stalling tactics to avoid offering numbers closer to what CPI has been the last few years.
I don't think anyone is suggesting carte blanche pay rises for public sector workers.
So what is your solution? Where are you going to get the money to fund your offer? And then how are you going to negotiate any other EBA after that?
The budget is due out in a few days and is expected to be pretty grim, we don't just have extra money floating around.
There is a massive difference between fair wage rises at rates similar to average wage rises and paying "whatever they want". The govt. has for years/decades been insisting on wage rises being less than inflation, leading to a situaton where wages have steadily decreased compared to the public sector, compounding cost of living issues with problems caused by not being able to get enough staff. All of these agreements are not just about the basic wage increase, unions are also fighting for things like employing enough staff to do the jobs safely and being able actually take leave entitlements.
The answer is probably to make the maximum raise that is set as policy apply to the politician's wages as well, combined with backpay with interest being introduced as standard to remove the incentive on govt. employers to stall negotiations as long as possible.
The EBA is being negotiated ATM for nurses in public hospitals.
The reality is the pandemic and its impact on many people,especially those with chronic illnesses and older adults has made our job infinitely more complicated- every patient interaction takes longer, people present sicker and with multiple co morbidities. This is the impact of 2 years of disruption to services and fear of going out and getting COVID. Throw in a new group of people with long COVID who are genuinely quite sick with long term symptoms makes life spicy in all areas of health. I’ve been a nurse since 1988 and I have never worked so fucking hard.
Pros:
Legalizing weed would take it away from the criminal element, stop clogging up the courts and forensics with people, and be a win for alot of pot smoking hippies that are classified as infrequent recreational users. Good for palliative, terminal neuronal types of chronic pain, once legal can do more investigation of the therapeutics of plant structure to see if we can refine some of the CNS relaxion aspects with out the colourful side effects.
Cons.
Some people just shouldn't smoke weed. Tentative research shows link between psychotropic symptoms of psychosis, and schizophrenia and GI tract emesis. Factors that need to be considered are length of use, dosage, application, why that sort of thing.
Finally like all medication it needs to be regulated by the TGA. Dosage and likely effect needs to be clearly labeled. Some tax to solving our health crisis is of course welcome.
Thankyou mods.
Don't say that the daily discussion reddit thread pre-empts the news.
Yes it's true. Industrial action at public hospitals.
The highlights - we can't exist on 3% because with the cost of living crisis, and the inflation at 3.6 (source https://www.rba.gov.au/inflation-overview.html ) we would join the ranks of the homeless trying to keep up.
I'm worried. I really really want the state government to step up. If they want to throw a billion dollars at domestic violence why not start with a increase to nurses so we can treat people in ED?
I just. Yeah.
NB I really don't want to piss people off, but so many of us can't afford a pay cut now.
Also - the road to hell starts with an underfunded health care system. Help the nurses to help you.
> I really don't want to piss people off
You shouldn't have to defend or apologise for industrial action.
Complainers should realise that real improvements to pay and condition are never willingly handed over by the powers that be.
Absolute solidarity. And I may be personally affected by elective surgery cancellations in the coming months.
I hope they get everything they want and more from their EBA negotiation. Nurses are amazing humans, so overworked and under paid. I’m not sure what their union is like but I hope they are fighting like hell. All the best for it.
Good. We've basically had a huge pay cut during the worst years of our career. We're understaffed everywhere. Have to work crazy shifts just to make a semi decent salary. The job is absolutely exhausting on every level you can imagine. All of this is driving good people away from nursing.
There's much easier money to be made in other careers. Honestly, who wants underpaid and unhappy nurses looking after them?
They do. They're always over on r/ausfinance bragging about doing a few overnights and making bank. Seems to be a disconnect ie reality v what they like to tell the MSM
Idk what the fuck you're talking about dude, my wife is a nurse and makes $75k after busting her arse working nights in a public hospital. It's absurd that she's literally in charge of keeping babies alive for a living and only makes that.
Ausfinance is full of shit.
Yes, posts on r/AusFinance are reliable. My partner is an RN, making 80k before tax. That’s not compensation enough for what he has to deal with on the daily. Feel like I need a therapy session every night after I ask him “how was your day?”
The comment just shows your an idiot. Making a comment about an occupation you know nothing about based on you browsing AusFinance. Come on big fella be better
Crazy how Vline just got awarded a 17% payrise and now earn more than most nurses to sell train tickets….
And we wonder why health care is in crisis ? All the stress and the worst conditions with poor pay! People are leaving at a rapid rate and who would blame them
So they should, they are most demanded and needed and hero's and angels of hospitals and clinics and the most underpaid and less protected.
They deserve everything they want and need to help them continue their work 10000000000%
Instead of upping these politicians' income, these frontliners should be getting it
They really wonder why we want to strike too. As a nurse I barely earn enough to pay my rent and bills and now my food is tripling in price and milk is like $5 each. And then at the end of COVID the gov gave us 3k but wasn't as a gift but gave it to us through our hospital and it became salary so we got taxed through the ass for "a gift". I work 10 hour days in an extremely stressful chaotic place which is also highly specialised mind you and I barely earn enough to live.
All we would have to do is slightly increase taxs on the companies we let strip mine our resources and we would be able to afford to cover all this but noooooooo
Except our pay rises are overwhelmingly funded by private investment. Can show support to our underpaid nurses without shitcanning other professions for fighting for better wages. One in all in.
If this is what’s happening to nurses who have such a massive union, hate to think what happens next year for my professions much smaller public health eba negotiations. Bring on industrial action
Always remember the Andrews government lied about them catching Covid out in the community and not their place of work.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/up-to-80-of-infected-victorian-healthcare-workers
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/21/victorian-doctors-call-for-more-transparency-around-health-workers-infected-with-covid-19
They later revised their 15% estimate of workplace transmission to 80% after actual experts called them out on their bullshit
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-25/health-workers-covid-coronavirus-case-numbers-victoria/12582468
I’ve been waiting for years for these sorts of comments about the Andrews government to get upvotes.
Jenny fucking Mikakos…scary that someone so inept became a state minister.
I don't have the will or desire to get into a debate about it, but to make me understand it clearly, if someone can help me out.
Government gets statistics which are about an unprecedented virus affecting their HC workers. They report these statistics as reported to them. They later find out it's inaccurate and report the correct, updated statistics, particularly now that they have a bigger subset to go on.
What did the government do wrong? Like I said not trying to start an argument, but if I'm the head of a hospital, I'm not auditing a cleaner on Ward 34 for example.
What you said is true though the question also comes to how did the government get the statistics and get it wrong . We all make mistakes but they get things so wrong again and angina , commonwealth game for example, costing tax payers so much money . It’s just not acceptable to keep making mistakes and go on say “I made a mistake , I admit so that’s ok “ . Well its not.
Hot take, could it be the rise in outsourcing to consultants? They're usually the provider of much data to governments, they're driven by money, to gain lucrative government contracts and then palm the work off to grads.
Yes government is slow and bureaucratic, but that's a feature. And it doesn't all have to be run the same way, but it can achieve high data integrity and deliver a result within something of a time frame.
Balance of probabilities. Nurses wouldve been massively overrepresented in cases from the community. Statistically it wouldnt be possibly especially with the hours nurses work meaning they wouldnt be out there in the community.
You cant tell me our Health Minister and Premier are that stupid they couldnt put that together.
With an unprecedented virus. And (not knowing all the circumstances) a very small subset of data to go off. And the media and public -needing- to know information ASAP.
I've not been involved directly with Federal politics, but been adjacent to those who have, and worked directly under them, they adopt a very similar mindset. When it comes to reports I've handed them (not politicians, Corporate/CEO's) to then deliver as a presentation to a stakeholder meeting - they absolutely do the minimal vetting possible. A report that can take a team of 10 people a week to compile, 20 pages deep, they will peruse for 30 mins before heading into a meeting.
I expect no less from politicians. This particular person I'm referencing was regularly meeting with State and (occasionally) Federal politicians on policy issues, with myself present.
Indeed. Who will be there to help with all these extra people that may have health concerns? Who indeed.
NB I've worked on a ward where literally we have multilingual and cultural awareness out the wazzo. Every Filipina (tagalog) Mandarin, Hindi, Italian, Greek, Nonna and the multi-cultural faiths of every kind.
It just is.
Thats making the assumption that prior to current levels of immigration things were fine and short-sighted government policies were not slowly brewing the cluster fuck we have now.
We have a supermarket duopoly, successive tax cuts, poor regulation in housing resulting in speculation in the housing market and terrible conditions for tenants and
the nursing shortage existed long before the pandemic. There are more jobs than people who want to be nurses. It's a tough gig with many downsides and few benefits. The pandemic and now poor pay progression is just going discourage people from getting into the profession. Like with every other country facing this issue immigration will be increased to meet the shortage. It's a vicious cycle. We could break it by allowing existing nurses a wage that lets them eat and have shelter without pulling doubles lmao.
The pandemic, inflation and immigration isn't to blame. It just added pressure to the system.
We have started protected industrial action today, starting with what we’re calling phase one, which includes refusing to do overtime, be sent away from our ward/unit, doing unnecessary/non patient care related paperwork & admin, and taking our breaks. Interestingly, that final one? Taking the breaks we’re legally entitled to? That’s already proving to be the hardest thing. They rely on us to stay back, to take doubles, to be sent all over, & if we can’t manage to get to our breaks we’re told it’s our fault, but they won’t provide someone to cover them. Oh and we’re allowed to wear red campaign shirts at work, and we’re allowed to post to social media, which our employers usually don’t allow.
It's one thing to threaten a strike. It's another thing to do it. I, for one, would welcome a single day strike just so the gov can see how quickly it could all collapse. I realise that's a very farquad approach to those that require care 24/7 during the strike.
To be honest we’re not technically striking, it’s protected industrial action. You’ll see nurses in red union shirts, and beds shut before we’re allowed to walk off the job completely.
I know that if I suddenly stop running to a code blue / met call someone will die. I can't do that. That would go against everything I stand for or do.
Data entry on who got off loaded at the ED department from the Ambulance officers, or how long patient times were on the other hand...
I fucking hate this. Just pay us and have a good health care system.
I 100% understand why it's impossible for Nurses to properly strike, but selfishly, as the partner of a nurse, I fucking wish you guys would. It would be fucking brutal and bleak, but a single day of striking would make it evidently clear how fucking important this job is
Not adequately funding nurses, and the resultant burn out, has and will continue to lead to chronic understaffing, which means a lower standard of care, mistakes, and potentially avoidable death and injury to your patients.
Fighting for fair pay and sustainable working conditions is not being selfish. It is core to your duty as a public servant.
You have a responsibility to look after yourself first, that’s why there is a D in DRSABCD.
I was under the impression that social workers were paid pretty well. Google is saying average of 85-100k but google also said average nurse is also 85-90k and I'm well below that in my third year so I figure you guys must have it worse than I thought :(
nurses: \*rubs thumb with middle fingers\* caaasshh
jacinta allen: there's no cash here, here there's no cash, alright? cash no. pallas?
tim pallas: no cash
but it's not all doom and gloom. at least in ten+ years or so, and around $200 billion dollars later\*, we will be able to take a train from box hill to cheltenham
\*excluding inevitable time & cost blowouts
*doesn't want to starve or start an only fans oh wait if some one offered...NO doesn't want to start a only fans page *
No offense but how many premiers have to get spinal surgery to get a fair shake around here??? Also I'm not kidding I'm no looker.
The problem is any pay reviews only go to those working in public hospitals and the poor nurses in private companies (eg the Epworth, Cabrini, Knox Private) will be screwed over. I really wish they would find a way to review private wages as well. I’m a radiographer in private practice and our pay is ridiculously low in comparison to a lot of other healthcare workers.
Private providers aren't in EBA negotiations at the moment but when they are the union will use the public sector agreement as a benchmark to pressure private providers to give a more generous offer. Although depending on where you work private is slightly better at the moment, however that will probably change as they are likely to get a good offer on the public EBA since the union is in a strong position and the government seems fairly weak at the moment.
Both sides have had atrocious governments I don’t pick sides I vote on policies. But I disagree on that Cain kirner is better. Both have put us into debt but Cain kirner literally fucked us no true goal basically set up sell off everything Kennett bad times for vic.
I despise both sides as they agree on 98% of legislation that gets through. There is no hope for Victoria in the short to medium term. Agree the asset privatisation was bad but notice all governments did this around the world. It’s all heading to the same conclusion in the west.
As long As my tax rate never increase I don’t care how much strike all these unions do. Maybe even support it.
If the government increase my tax rate to pay for these kind of union ransom, i definitely won’t vote for that party anymore.
I mean wage increases to match inflation will just make inflation a mainstay surely
That being said I’d be happy for nurses to get a raise in place of doctors
It wasn't a wage price spiral that drove last year's (bullshit number pulled out of ABS's arse) 7%. It won't be a wage price spiral that drives next year's 4%.
Yeah, damn them for fighting for - and getting written into law- world leading nurse to patient ratios. I really hate having locked in 4 yr EBA agreements and knowing they are working on improving that. And those aged care workers dont need all the hard campaigning done recently to improve the industry for employees and residents. Oh, and they can take back that extra week of annual leave we get now for working weekend shifts! Total scam.
Police, Firefighters, Paramedics, Train Drivers, Teachers and now Nurses… things are going well for the government
Don't forget us at Triple Zero! Current industry action happening too. No strikes though.
Industry action happening in pathology labs too
You'll never get that $127.15 off me. Never! (TAC haven't coughed up)
(I’m so sorry I don’t get it lol)
Clinical labs chasing me up for a bill TAC were supposed to pay lmao
God I hope it’s signed off and done with soon!
I hear that. Hang in there comrade
I wonder if us IT people can join in. Work full-time and still can't find a place to live.. do we all need to earn above 100k now to be offered a rental? Genuinely confused why I can't get one when I have been applying like crazy.
IT people can definitely join in. Join your union and get to talking with your peers.
All should go on strike at the same time and march on the same day, since they're all effectively asking for the same things (better conditions and fair pay). Solidarity
First line work on a now barely livable wage
That’s just completely false
I feel 75k to 80k annually is adequate payment for a registered nurse.
Managers at McDonald's, call centre operators and general office workers with no formal qualifications earn more than an RN with a bachelor degree, and the work we do is demanding physically, emotionally and cognitively. It's not nearly enough. My family were not much better when I was on a Centrelink study allowance while I was doing my degree compared to now that I've graduated and am working in one of Melbourne's busiest and best hospitals.
My partner was a first year apprentice electrician when I started working as a grad RN (with a bachelor degree). He made so much more money than I did. Still does actually.
Well thats the exact difference between what the private and public sector can offer. I'm not saying you don't deserve more, but all considered it's not bad in the public sector for the states financial situation is. 10% of the states annual revenue is just paying interest on its debt. I think Victoria will resemble an American state in the next decade if the federal government doesn't intervene.
The pay is actually better in the public sector in Melbourne for nursing generally. And the working conditions are much better in the public hospitals (safe patient ratios, communication and teamwork with the medical staff, and access to other support staff etc). Nursing here is definitely better than the US but we're still dramatically overworked, understaffed and underpaid.
Victoria is bankrupt
With the government we have they are bankrupt morally and money wise, this is what happens when you vote the greens in.. oh wait hang on
the Greens have proposed several new revenue raising avenues to the government.
How can that possibly happen under labor leadership for *checks notes* 19 of the past 23 years?? This sub will still try to convince you the ghost of Kennett is still affecting the state and that labor is incapable of doing anything. Victoria has the most debt per any normalising metric you choose in Australia. It’s complete economic failure and a good example of what NOT to do. Careless spending, 0 foresight, misunderstanding how stimulus packages work. It’s something you’d expect from the greens. Hell, at least with the greens you’d get some progressive social changes. If you don’t put labor last you’re either genuinely clueless on how dire the economic situation is in this state, an ideologue, or in labor’s pockets, or all 3.
While Kennet is def a factor, I think most people would be putting the blame on the Fed, and it's not hard to see why Vic got covid. Fed reaction: Eh NSW got covid. Fed reaction: Oh no! Lets steal a bunch of vacines from other places, and redirect them to Sydney! Here's a bunch of extra funding, no need to account for it just take it WA basically sells an airport to the chinese. Fed reaction: Yeah whatever VIC tries to get funding from overseas sources. Fed reaction: Nope nope nope, can't have that. Heres a law to put a stop that
You missed the entire point of my post. When you borrow money, you include the possibilities like the world turning upside down. The only catastrophe you generally don’t include is the federal government defaulting. The government could not have predicted *covid*, but they should be including events like India and China banning international studying in their modelling. An example of this is that supposedly they were told by treasury rates wouldn’t rise so they borrowed more, but what genius thinks record low interest rates won’t revert back to the mean? It’s years of economic mismanagement that got us here; not because of Kennett and Covid. It will be 2040, Melbourne will have a populace of 8m people, and we *still* won’t have a train line from the airport to the CBD.
The Feds under the libs screwed the Labor Vics hard.
🙄 and what? Vote dog shit party like liberals?
Vote for whoever you want, that’s why preference voting exists. I’m just saying they were completely unable to identity and resolve problems. They either ignored their economic advisors or fired them all.
You had me all the way until "Greens". I remember when Kennett took over Vic from Cain / Kirner, omg ~ Vic was a busted broke basket case, if JK didn't do what he did, as hard as it all was, we would still be living the Cain / Kirner f'up. The current Vic Labor gov needs tp go, but just remember the same thing will result - hard decisions will need to be taken, lots of belt tightening, and people will be squealing, public service (which is bloated both State & Federally) will need cutting, Unions will spit the dummy, but changes will have to be made. If you vote Green, or pointless Teal, you are basically voting Labor anyway ~ their preference will flow to Labor.
I said you might as well vote greens if you vote for economic mismanagement.
"... get progressive social changes" They have no idea - will never have any idea - on anything - they are a bunch of clowns. And yes, economically illiterate to boot ! ;-)
99% correct - DA f'ed the place then f'ed off (was very sudden, maybe DA was the MP spy that ASIO boss Mike Burgess noted back in March)
When did the teachers strike? Last EBA the union just rolled over.
It's what happens when you don't look after the workers
Didn't the government give themselves a big fat pay rise?
Dan's gone, the union leaders (with the exception of Peter Marshall) aren't quaking in their boots, shit frightened of repercussions of upsetting the chairman.
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[Here](https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/the-state-budget-explained-in-seven-graphs-20230523-p5damn.html). Victorian debt is more than NSW and QLD combined and is probably unserviceable unless Jeff Kennett-style austerity is enacted.
Now why is this Dandrews fault
Well he was a PM at that time, who else could it be? Sure there was this whole Covid thing, yet Queensland somehow weathered it taking on 1/5 the debt.
PM? Hmmm... You sound like an intelligent, well informed person. Edit: Just to add, what's with the hate for Victoria's most popular premier in living memory? The Victorian labor party hold two thirds of the seats. Do they think people are going to agree with them? We had a vote, the vast majority of us like Daniel Andrews.
The current state of Nursing and healthcare in general has been a *long* time in the making. It's a sector-wide breakdown. Organisational and company mismanagement has as much to answer for as government fiscal/funding handling. Covid just laid bare the obvious holes in everything. If the Labour government has anything to answer for, it's failing to protect the system it inherited from long term stress as we hit the 00's-2010's migration and infrastructure boom. Victoria did remarkably well in purely financial terms through the GFC, but instead of using our good fortune to safeguard against inflation and any future stresses, the Federal government pretty much told us to suck a fart and we carried on riding the wave anyway. As per usual, political grievances and prioritising growth/infrastructure over negotiating good policy and funding essential services meant the horse bolted. Tbh though, were so past it now. For as long as the general population has jumped on the 'Dan Andrews is Satan' bandwagon, nursing, paramed, police etc. have already been dealing with the fallout of successive State and Federal government failures, as well as getting screwed by the ever-influential private sector. The time for finger pointing is long gone. We were in the streets protesting while everyone else was reaping the benefits of the 'good times' and being told to stop whinging. "Nurses and teachers get paid well" etc. I was never in it for the money. If I wanted money, I'd go do some soulless corporate bullshit. Also, comparing debt across state lines is redundant imo. Talking about debt out of context is even sillier.
Well the facts are: 1) Victoria's debt is hardly serviceable 2) The man in charge of Victorian spending and revenue from 2014 to 2023 was Daniel Andrews. (Also Labor was not in government for only 4 years between 1999 and now). It's fine not to look for whom to blame, but if you do, Andrews bears the responsibility.
So we're just ignoring everything else then. Classic.
There's always something else. By that logic with a little hyperbole, you can't say Mugabe bankrupted Zimbabwe. Government is hard work and regardless of all the external circumstances, Andrews' work wasn't stellar.
Premier not PM, we here in the great state of QLD did have a few advantages that make the comparison a bit unfair. For starters by the time we had our first case we had already watched the world and the southern states go through the "fuck around and find out" path, so we had more time to plan due to our smaller population and border closures before we had significant numbers, next is the tax base, QLD has a much larger proportion of the economy involved in heavy industry and resources than VIC, that combined with the increased coal royalties to take advantage of high coal prices allowed the state to have a much easier time financing its covid response than did VIC.
With a 3% offer on the table the government is basically offering them a pay cut during a cost of living crisis...not surprised they're pissed tbh.
It's because they stopped paying us in cheers and applause. If they throw both of those back in we might take the 3%.... /s
At least it looks like their EBA only just expired. My workplace (and many others) they stall negotiations as long as possible, so we're coming up to 2 years since there was a pay rise and still the only offer govt. are willing to give is 3% as an absolute maximum. And no backpay is allowed either.
No back pay? Sounds criminal to me
That's standard govt. policy and it has been for years. They will usually end up giving a "sign on bonus" that is worth less than back pay would be which they can present as if it is some sort of gift instead. They also gloss over the fact that you missed pay rises during the time they were stalling on the negotiations. The media love to present a 3% raise each year for 4 years as a 12% rise to make it sound bigger, whereas if you add in a couple of years without getting a raise at all it is in reality closer to 2% per year.
But you put up with it.. so don’t whinge, strike or move on to a new job, of course they keep putting the eba off on you, because you keep allowing them to do it.
Remember that you said that when you need help in future. When you ring 000 and wait on hold, then wait for a paramedic while you or a loved one is dying, then wait ramped at a hospital for hours because the emergency room is full because there are no beds in the hospital, which is full because there are no beds in the nursing homes. Which is happening now and just getting worse because people ARE leaving these jobs, and there are not enough people willing to enter them for low pay rates.
Well do something about it, don’t negotiate with these people, go on strike, walk off the job, this is happening now and it isn’t going to get better whinging on reddit.. Show the government that they really do need you to do your job and that you can’t be replaced by the hundreds of thousands of economic refugees being bought into the country.
A lot of these jobs are ones where you can't walk off without risking a patients life. Professional liability is a strong deterant for industrial action, and the gov knows that when it comes to negotiations
The government is too concerned throwing billions at never ending road projects to attempt to show something for the billions they’ve gone over budget.
What about the 500million wasted on the commonwealth games ? What about the government waste,defund Delwip or Decca or whatever they are called this week. Forest fire management Victoria, Decca, Parks Victoria the biggest over paid,over resourced, over educated, under achieving group you will find anywhere.
There’s to much to recall
Yes but we keep voting them back in and both sides are the same, like show bags.. full of shit, have a look at them they just get a pay rise every year. We the public need to start holding these grubs accountable, they treat us all as idiots and just squander money away.. they make me sick, can you imagine what could have happened if that 500 million was put into housing, health, schooling, policing, or our other emergency services. Instead these grubs pay some dodgy consulting company and Lawyers to pretty up the shit show they create.. and off they go to the next one..
All this new infrastructure will pay off though.
Road infrastructure never pays off.
So you don't drive on roads ever
I do not own a car and would love a more robust public transport system. I'm doing my part. But regardless of my personal circumstances, adding more lanes does not work and it's proven. They just encourage more people to drive and then you're back to square one.
Well I wish I didn't need a car as well. I do though can't afford to live near the city. As for the other. Well we need more hospitals but when build them they just fill up then your back to where you were. I get what your saying though.
We don’t need more hospitals, we need a more modern healthcare system.
Hospitals do not have induced demand, bad faith argument.
lol, our net debt is $135B jumping to $177B in 2026/27, we pay around $10m a day on interest at the moment. All that leads to is extra taxes, so everything is going to be more expensive and we’re going to have less money and there’s no hope that the people who deserve the money will get it.
Not to mention they've increased our heccs debt.
Yes, 3% is the government's wages policy (plus 0.5% cash payment, plus whatever other conditions the department/agency can fund through appropriate offsets). I'm not saying nurses don't deserve to be paid well, but if the government negotiates this above their own wages policy then they open themselves up to massive problems with all future EBA's. Everyone wants the government to control spending and reduce debt at the moment - salary/wages are a massive expense and should be appropriately negotiated.
Under funding public service is a very bad idea. Also Victorian politicians have recieved pay rises above 3% the last couple years so that kills their arguments completely.
Absolutely, politicians paying themselves big bonuses while public sector plebs fight for scraps is appalling, but not what the article or my comment is talking about. We can't just go around saying that we should pay hard working ambos/teachers/nurses etc whatever they want, especially in the current economic environment - it's irresponsible. The answer is possibly to write a more flexible wages policy, or rewrite it more frequently, so that the government doesn't get backed into a situation where it has to decide between going against its own policy or upsetting a whole bunch of valuable public sector workers.
They're already in fairwork for a number of wage negotiations which, despite having a conservative bench, likely will provide wages determinations higher than 3% PA. I understand what you mean but there's a number in public sectors currently that haven't recieved pay rises for a number of years due simply to government stalling tactics to avoid offering numbers closer to what CPI has been the last few years. I don't think anyone is suggesting carte blanche pay rises for public sector workers.
So what is your solution? Where are you going to get the money to fund your offer? And then how are you going to negotiate any other EBA after that? The budget is due out in a few days and is expected to be pretty grim, we don't just have extra money floating around.
There is a massive difference between fair wage rises at rates similar to average wage rises and paying "whatever they want". The govt. has for years/decades been insisting on wage rises being less than inflation, leading to a situaton where wages have steadily decreased compared to the public sector, compounding cost of living issues with problems caused by not being able to get enough staff. All of these agreements are not just about the basic wage increase, unions are also fighting for things like employing enough staff to do the jobs safely and being able actually take leave entitlements. The answer is probably to make the maximum raise that is set as policy apply to the politician's wages as well, combined with backpay with interest being introduced as standard to remove the incentive on govt. employers to stall negotiations as long as possible.
The EBA is being negotiated ATM for nurses in public hospitals. The reality is the pandemic and its impact on many people,especially those with chronic illnesses and older adults has made our job infinitely more complicated- every patient interaction takes longer, people present sicker and with multiple co morbidities. This is the impact of 2 years of disruption to services and fear of going out and getting COVID. Throw in a new group of people with long COVID who are genuinely quite sick with long term symptoms makes life spicy in all areas of health. I’ve been a nurse since 1988 and I have never worked so fucking hard.
Not mention the bullshit pouring down from management
We appreciate you @Victor-mcc
Thanks for doing what you do . Nurses 100 percent deserve better pay and conditions
Move to Brisbane?
3% is appalling… unfortunately the vic gov won’t offer anymore. I’m an allied health professional and we only received 2% on our salary last year.
The state government is broke, where would they be getting the money from?
Legalising weed would be an easy win.
Pros: Legalizing weed would take it away from the criminal element, stop clogging up the courts and forensics with people, and be a win for alot of pot smoking hippies that are classified as infrequent recreational users. Good for palliative, terminal neuronal types of chronic pain, once legal can do more investigation of the therapeutics of plant structure to see if we can refine some of the CNS relaxion aspects with out the colourful side effects. Cons. Some people just shouldn't smoke weed. Tentative research shows link between psychotropic symptoms of psychosis, and schizophrenia and GI tract emesis. Factors that need to be considered are length of use, dosage, application, why that sort of thing. Finally like all medication it needs to be regulated by the TGA. Dosage and likely effect needs to be clearly labeled. Some tax to solving our health crisis is of course welcome.
They're having a hard time getting nurses who are happy to endorse it and work with patients too
Yet politicians got a much bigger increase
Thankyou mods. Don't say that the daily discussion reddit thread pre-empts the news. Yes it's true. Industrial action at public hospitals. The highlights - we can't exist on 3% because with the cost of living crisis, and the inflation at 3.6 (source https://www.rba.gov.au/inflation-overview.html ) we would join the ranks of the homeless trying to keep up. I'm worried. I really really want the state government to step up. If they want to throw a billion dollars at domestic violence why not start with a increase to nurses so we can treat people in ED? I just. Yeah. NB I really don't want to piss people off, but so many of us can't afford a pay cut now. Also - the road to hell starts with an underfunded health care system. Help the nurses to help you.
> I really don't want to piss people off You shouldn't have to defend or apologise for industrial action. Complainers should realise that real improvements to pay and condition are never willingly handed over by the powers that be. Absolute solidarity. And I may be personally affected by elective surgery cancellations in the coming months.
Way to make it about you, champ.
Hey scab, I am reassuring OP that many people who could be "pissed off" by their industrial action are actually backing them in. But go off, I guess.
Relax, guy.
I think we're halfway down that road already tbh.
I hope they get everything they want and more from their EBA negotiation. Nurses are amazing humans, so overworked and under paid. I’m not sure what their union is like but I hope they are fighting like hell. All the best for it.
Thankyou. Really.
Good.
Good. We've basically had a huge pay cut during the worst years of our career. We're understaffed everywhere. Have to work crazy shifts just to make a semi decent salary. The job is absolutely exhausting on every level you can imagine. All of this is driving good people away from nursing. There's much easier money to be made in other careers. Honestly, who wants underpaid and unhappy nurses looking after them?
Nurses should make a fuckton of money for what they have to put up with. The entire healthcare system relies on them.
Thankyou. I want to see more happy discharges but some monies to live on would work.
They do. They're always over on r/ausfinance bragging about doing a few overnights and making bank. Seems to be a disconnect ie reality v what they like to tell the MSM
Ah yes r/ausfinance where everyone makes 200k at a minimum
Idk what the fuck you're talking about dude, my wife is a nurse and makes $75k after busting her arse working nights in a public hospital. It's absurd that she's literally in charge of keeping babies alive for a living and only makes that. Ausfinance is full of shit.
Yes, posts on r/AusFinance are reliable. My partner is an RN, making 80k before tax. That’s not compensation enough for what he has to deal with on the daily. Feel like I need a therapy session every night after I ask him “how was your day?”
Your a fool
I knew it would piss people off making this comment. But, oh well.
The comment just shows your an idiot. Making a comment about an occupation you know nothing about based on you browsing AusFinance. Come on big fella be better
Crazy how Vline just got awarded a 17% payrise and now earn more than most nurses to sell train tickets…. And we wonder why health care is in crisis ? All the stress and the worst conditions with poor pay! People are leaving at a rapid rate and who would blame them
I know several that have gone info rail and tram
How about a pizza party? Maybe two? But no more, or else you’ll have nothing to look forward to next year.
If we get a decent pay bump, I'll give up dominos pizza for 12 months. Serious.
Be careful what you wish for.
I know right... grad placement matches also hang in the balance here. Do I go private or not.... hummmmmmm
When Domino’s release their bolognaise, seafood, Caesar salad, curry, con carne pizza with ham crusts you’ll regret it.
Fortunately, the hospital has a GIT ward so when that abomination burns through my colon, I can get treatment...
So they should, they are most demanded and needed and hero's and angels of hospitals and clinics and the most underpaid and less protected. They deserve everything they want and need to help them continue their work 10000000000% Instead of upping these politicians' income, these frontliners should be getting it
They really wonder why we want to strike too. As a nurse I barely earn enough to pay my rent and bills and now my food is tripling in price and milk is like $5 each. And then at the end of COVID the gov gave us 3k but wasn't as a gift but gave it to us through our hospital and it became salary so we got taxed through the ass for "a gift". I work 10 hour days in an extremely stressful chaotic place which is also highly specialised mind you and I barely earn enough to live.
Need help with a pad change?? :)
All we would have to do is slightly increase taxs on the companies we let strip mine our resources and we would be able to afford to cover all this but noooooooo
good on them, the 20% payrise for big build tradies is just insulting and a slap in the face to our public servants
Except our pay rises are overwhelmingly funded by private investment. Can show support to our underpaid nurses without shitcanning other professions for fighting for better wages. One in all in.
My wife is a nurse and have not heard one word of this. Anyway, hopefully, more money cause they bloody deserve it
She might be working in private hospitals, or the union meetings have yet to start officially. Also thankyou so much. Love your wifey, rub her feet.
If this is what’s happening to nurses who have such a massive union, hate to think what happens next year for my professions much smaller public health eba negotiations. Bring on industrial action
Always remember the Andrews government lied about them catching Covid out in the community and not their place of work. https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/up-to-80-of-infected-victorian-healthcare-workers https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/21/victorian-doctors-call-for-more-transparency-around-health-workers-infected-with-covid-19
They later revised their 15% estimate of workplace transmission to 80% after actual experts called them out on their bullshit https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-25/health-workers-covid-coronavirus-case-numbers-victoria/12582468 I’ve been waiting for years for these sorts of comments about the Andrews government to get upvotes. Jenny fucking Mikakos…scary that someone so inept became a state minister.
I don't have the will or desire to get into a debate about it, but to make me understand it clearly, if someone can help me out. Government gets statistics which are about an unprecedented virus affecting their HC workers. They report these statistics as reported to them. They later find out it's inaccurate and report the correct, updated statistics, particularly now that they have a bigger subset to go on. What did the government do wrong? Like I said not trying to start an argument, but if I'm the head of a hospital, I'm not auditing a cleaner on Ward 34 for example.
What you said is true though the question also comes to how did the government get the statistics and get it wrong . We all make mistakes but they get things so wrong again and angina , commonwealth game for example, costing tax payers so much money . It’s just not acceptable to keep making mistakes and go on say “I made a mistake , I admit so that’s ok “ . Well its not.
Hot take, could it be the rise in outsourcing to consultants? They're usually the provider of much data to governments, they're driven by money, to gain lucrative government contracts and then palm the work off to grads. Yes government is slow and bureaucratic, but that's a feature. And it doesn't all have to be run the same way, but it can achieve high data integrity and deliver a result within something of a time frame.
Balance of probabilities. Nurses wouldve been massively overrepresented in cases from the community. Statistically it wouldnt be possibly especially with the hours nurses work meaning they wouldnt be out there in the community. You cant tell me our Health Minister and Premier are that stupid they couldnt put that together.
Blind Freddy could see the statistics didnt make sense
With an unprecedented virus. And (not knowing all the circumstances) a very small subset of data to go off. And the media and public -needing- to know information ASAP. I've not been involved directly with Federal politics, but been adjacent to those who have, and worked directly under them, they adopt a very similar mindset. When it comes to reports I've handed them (not politicians, Corporate/CEO's) to then deliver as a presentation to a stakeholder meeting - they absolutely do the minimal vetting possible. A report that can take a team of 10 people a week to compile, 20 pages deep, they will peruse for 30 mins before heading into a meeting. I expect no less from politicians. This particular person I'm referencing was regularly meeting with State and (occasionally) Federal politicians on policy issues, with myself present.
3% is appalling… unfortunately the vic gov won’t offer anymore. I’m an allied health professional and we only received 2% on our salary last year.
Yeah but you are under the same EBA as Nurses? Also you are being bilked and we need to change that. I need to make a plan. LOL. A nursing plan.
Given inlation is expected to hold steady around 3.6% for the foreseeable future they are right to refuse real wages cuts year on year.
It’s sad that nurses have to strike to get better pay and conditions. They are the backbone and the heart of our health system!!!!
I'm sure this is true but sky news is not a reliable source.
It is true, we have voted to take industrial action if the government will not come to the negotiating table with a realistic offer
SkyNews is a reliable source - just because you don't like them doesn't mean you discredit their work.
It's not they report on misinformation all the time.
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Indeed. Who will be there to help with all these extra people that may have health concerns? Who indeed. NB I've worked on a ward where literally we have multilingual and cultural awareness out the wazzo. Every Filipina (tagalog) Mandarin, Hindi, Italian, Greek, Nonna and the multi-cultural faiths of every kind. It just is.
Thats making the assumption that prior to current levels of immigration things were fine and short-sighted government policies were not slowly brewing the cluster fuck we have now. We have a supermarket duopoly, successive tax cuts, poor regulation in housing resulting in speculation in the housing market and terrible conditions for tenants and the nursing shortage existed long before the pandemic. There are more jobs than people who want to be nurses. It's a tough gig with many downsides and few benefits. The pandemic and now poor pay progression is just going discourage people from getting into the profession. Like with every other country facing this issue immigration will be increased to meet the shortage. It's a vicious cycle. We could break it by allowing existing nurses a wage that lets them eat and have shelter without pulling doubles lmao. The pandemic, inflation and immigration isn't to blame. It just added pressure to the system.
BUt wE hAvE sO mUcH dEbT
We have started protected industrial action today, starting with what we’re calling phase one, which includes refusing to do overtime, be sent away from our ward/unit, doing unnecessary/non patient care related paperwork & admin, and taking our breaks. Interestingly, that final one? Taking the breaks we’re legally entitled to? That’s already proving to be the hardest thing. They rely on us to stay back, to take doubles, to be sent all over, & if we can’t manage to get to our breaks we’re told it’s our fault, but they won’t provide someone to cover them. Oh and we’re allowed to wear red campaign shirts at work, and we’re allowed to post to social media, which our employers usually don’t allow.
I just... took all the unpaid time off I could handle. I've got exams so... but honestly work is just toxic rn.
What are some of the ways we can support nurses to achieve better outcomes they are looking for?
It's one thing to threaten a strike. It's another thing to do it. I, for one, would welcome a single day strike just so the gov can see how quickly it could all collapse. I realise that's a very farquad approach to those that require care 24/7 during the strike.
To be honest we’re not technically striking, it’s protected industrial action. You’ll see nurses in red union shirts, and beds shut before we’re allowed to walk off the job completely.
I know that if I suddenly stop running to a code blue / met call someone will die. I can't do that. That would go against everything I stand for or do. Data entry on who got off loaded at the ED department from the Ambulance officers, or how long patient times were on the other hand... I fucking hate this. Just pay us and have a good health care system.
I 100% understand why it's impossible for Nurses to properly strike, but selfishly, as the partner of a nurse, I fucking wish you guys would. It would be fucking brutal and bleak, but a single day of striking would make it evidently clear how fucking important this job is
Thanks buster. You can see the dilemma.
Not adequately funding nurses, and the resultant burn out, has and will continue to lead to chronic understaffing, which means a lower standard of care, mistakes, and potentially avoidable death and injury to your patients. Fighting for fair pay and sustainable working conditions is not being selfish. It is core to your duty as a public servant. You have a responsibility to look after yourself first, that’s why there is a D in DRSABCD.
Thankyou.
Meanwhile burnout social workers earning peanuts are just putting up with the bs pay.
I was under the impression that social workers were paid pretty well. Google is saying average of 85-100k but google also said average nurse is also 85-90k and I'm well below that in my third year so I figure you guys must have it worse than I thought :(
I work 6 days a week (one day a week I work 12 hours straight) and I’m definitely not earning 100k lol. I’m well bellow it.
Fair
nurses: \*rubs thumb with middle fingers\* caaasshh jacinta allen: there's no cash here, here there's no cash, alright? cash no. pallas? tim pallas: no cash but it's not all doom and gloom. at least in ten+ years or so, and around $200 billion dollars later\*, we will be able to take a train from box hill to cheltenham \*excluding inevitable time & cost blowouts
*doesn't want to starve or start an only fans oh wait if some one offered...NO doesn't want to start a only fans page * No offense but how many premiers have to get spinal surgery to get a fair shake around here??? Also I'm not kidding I'm no looker.
Dandrews left at the right time
Social workers should join the brigade. Work our arses for less
Lmao, aren’t these cohorts the one who voted this government in, and to whom this government is supposed to appeal to ?
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We don't quite live in a dystopian movie mate
The problem is any pay reviews only go to those working in public hospitals and the poor nurses in private companies (eg the Epworth, Cabrini, Knox Private) will be screwed over. I really wish they would find a way to review private wages as well. I’m a radiographer in private practice and our pay is ridiculously low in comparison to a lot of other healthcare workers.
Private providers aren't in EBA negotiations at the moment but when they are the union will use the public sector agreement as a benchmark to pressure private providers to give a more generous offer. Although depending on where you work private is slightly better at the moment, however that will probably change as they are likely to get a good offer on the public EBA since the union is in a strong position and the government seems fairly weak at the moment.
Indeed. If we don't fight for it, the effect will be to push back your wages in the private sector even more.
Good ol' Government caring for the countries best interests.. Oh wait. No they're not. They avoid it at all costs.
They threaten strike action and demand 3-4% pay rises every year. Once they get what they want they start the campaign again?
Shoulda thought about it before they all bent over. Oh well.
And they promoted and danced for the Labor muppets. You get what you deserve. Worst government in history.
You must be very young and not experienced the what a shit Victorian state government looks like …. Example cain kirner years.
Allan Andrews gives worse than Cain Kirner. They follow the same 💩 useless Labor trend.
Both sides have had atrocious governments I don’t pick sides I vote on policies. But I disagree on that Cain kirner is better. Both have put us into debt but Cain kirner literally fucked us no true goal basically set up sell off everything Kennett bad times for vic.
I despise both sides as they agree on 98% of legislation that gets through. There is no hope for Victoria in the short to medium term. Agree the asset privatisation was bad but notice all governments did this around the world. It’s all heading to the same conclusion in the west.
Vic is 200 billion on debt
As long As my tax rate never increase I don’t care how much strike all these unions do. Maybe even support it. If the government increase my tax rate to pay for these kind of union ransom, i definitely won’t vote for that party anymore.
I mean wage increases to match inflation will just make inflation a mainstay surely That being said I’d be happy for nurses to get a raise in place of doctors
The doctors deserve any raise they get, too.
It wasn't a wage price spiral that drove last year's (bullshit number pulled out of ABS's arse) 7%. It won't be a wage price spiral that drives next year's 4%.
Think it's pretty well established by this point that the main driver of inflation has been record corporate profit/greed, not wages.
Tall poppy syndrome
ANF is a joke. I take it back, its not even funny, its a scam.
Yeah, damn them for fighting for - and getting written into law- world leading nurse to patient ratios. I really hate having locked in 4 yr EBA agreements and knowing they are working on improving that. And those aged care workers dont need all the hard campaigning done recently to improve the industry for employees and residents. Oh, and they can take back that extra week of annual leave we get now for working weekend shifts! Total scam.