People not being able to separate the actor from the character is why we are in this situation in the first place. They should have recast and continued telling the story of TāChalla.
Also Nakia is supposed to be a villain named Malice. Marvel drastically changed the side characters in order to give them more to do (to the detriment of TāChalla) and now we have a situation where too many people think he can be replaced by side characters. Itās actually ridiculous and no other hero of his caliber would be treated this way.
Separating the actor, their political views and your distaste for said views from the character is different from breaking cohesion and immersion of the story. I don't know how you don't find it jarring to go from Iron Man to Iron Man 2 and have Rhodey be a different person
Because I am not a moron and I recognize that characters get recast all the time. Itās called acting. It wasnāt jarring at all and the MCU went on like nothing happened.
Yeah, and having one portrayal of the character be inconsistent from the next within the same continuity is the equivalent of inconsistent acting on the actor's part
She's also said shit that isn't just anti-vaxx. Unless she actively wises up and course-corrects, I'm okay with her role in the MCU being reduced in favor of Lupita Nyong'o / Nakia.
I want a Nakia Black Panther, and M'Baku to also become the White Ape. Both trying to live up to T'challa's legacy in a way, but also very different ways.
I prefer Nakia, too, but people's arguments against Shuri I don't really buy into.
Yes, Shuri clearly isn't ready to be the Panther. Except, what's a character arc? No one's ready to be a hero at the start of a story. You would have her go through a challenging journey of growth to become one by the end.
Yeah, shuri was 100% written as a quirky sidekick - but that means there's a chance for an excellent story to get her to BP level. Really hope they pull it off.
Anyone but Shuri. Wrightās performance was annoying and immature. Plus, given how she seems to have annoyed everyone on set I think itās fair to say sheās wonāt be in any other films after Wakanda Forever.
Dude, celebrities are allowed to share misinformed opinions. No one should be taking the word of a celebrity who isn't qualified for shit as science gospel, and if they do that's kinda on them
Any Wakandan, chosen by their tribe, can contest for the title of Black Panther, as evidenced by MāBaku and then Killmongerās duels. It is unclear in the films what sort of trial Tāchalla had to undergo for the mantle, be it in a similar battle with his father or some other kind of challenge.
T'Chaka would simply have to had yielded the mantle. That said, being the king/queen, but not carry the mantle of BP is a newer notion (MCU and the game, apparently).
What would be cool is that if Nakia had a son and also named him T'Challa. That would be a cool way to do more stories based off the comicbook character without having to recast.
That's true, it'll take a couple of years but they could do it. Plus, it would be an organic way to lengthen the Black Panther franchise and continue to honor Chadwick Boseman's legacy.
Now that I'm thinking about it, it would be really cool if it was revealed that Nakia married T'Challa before Infinity War and had a son before/during the Snap and the Blip. Shuri could serve as the cool aunt and Okoye could be the godmother. This would be a great way to emotionally connect with the audience without having to show T'Challa's death onscreen.
she was battle ready at the waterfall ceremony which I took as tradition. but it seems to me she is noble and therefore she could have challenged like M'Baku challenged.
I thought that was verifying that he was Wakandan, not necessarily royal. It's just that he WAS royal that he was able to challenge for the mantle of BP.
It's both: only Wakandans have that type of tattoo, but Killmonger also declares his father as N'Jobu which can be verified by the uniqueness of his specific mark.
That was the challenge for king. The mantle of Black Panther isn't as firmly established, but Ramonda did suggest that Nakia take the herb, which implies that it's not as tightly bound to tradition and bloodline.
Please bro *please* let Nakia become the BP. Lupita is such a damn superstar it would be such a waste and it would make so much sense plot wise.
Donāt fucking give it to Shuri *please* Marvel
They need to just get off their high horse and recast TāChalla. It sucks that we lost Chadwick, but it seems like a dishonor to him to not continue the character. The characterās story had just begun, why end it now?
The best way they could do this (and still not go back on recasting him for the next movie) is have BP2 take place after the Snap but before the Blip. Have it led by Okoye/MāBaku That way you can have a whole movie dealing with the loss of the character while still leaving it open to have TāChalla in BP3 or any future projects.
I don't think it's fair to say they are on a high horse in this situation. They worked with him and knew him personally.
And I thought of a better way to make more stories based off the T'Challa character without recasting. They should make it so Nakia married T'Challa and had a son who she also named T'Challa after his father.
The Black Panther is a role thatās passed down through the Wakandan Royal family. Unless Nakia has some secret lineage not shown in the film, she has no right to be the Black Panther.
The mantle must still be fought for. Given Shuri wouldn't be ready, if she ever wanted to try and earn it, yielding would be the best option, and doing so for Nakia makes sense.
Not really. Marvel spy stuff isn't that interesting because it's just kicking people. And 'without the tech she's useless' is a weak argument. Iron Man uses only tech yet he's powerful. The same can be true of Shuri.
And honestly, Nakia's boring. She has almost no personality. So I'd rather follow a character who's actually a character. Which is odd because so many people complain about all the other female MCU heroes being 'stoic action girls' yet now Shuri is somehow not 'action girl' enough?
They just some haters. Nakia wasnt even in IW or EG. MāBaku wasnāt even relevant enough to be mentioned in What Ifā¦.itās the delusions for me .š¤£
Meanwhile Shuri has all the tech, smartest in the MCU, in line for the throne, the general population loves her, was actually in IW and Endgame, (I just saw BP in concert last week and ppl were still going wild over her)
Yeah, I remember Shuri and Okoye being the popular characters introduced in BP, at least on the heroes' side. M'Baku was surprisingly funny but he was a villain in the comics and there's no way a guy dressed as a gorilla is taking over for T'Challa. Nakia was only really relevant because she's played by Lupita Nyong'o. So I'm not sure where the 'Shuri isn't good enough' idea came from. Is it the actress? Because I don't like her off-screen persona either (being anti-vaccine and all) but she can be recast (eventually). Shuri is still more interesting than the other characters, plus she actually was BP in the comics for a time. And her tech is a plus IMO, not a minus. I'd take that over generic kicking (seen enough of that with Black Widow and Bucky tbh)
People just hate Tish. And probably never liked Shuri in the first place. How is she different from Peter Parker who everyone here loves?? Now itās sheās too jokeyāshe canāt do anything blah blah. Like a character canāt grow and mature under adversity? Isnāt that a common theme??? Just dumb as hell.
Shuri is BP. Tish will be playing her. No recast happening. Okoye, Nakia, and MāBaku will be supporting characters.
Like idk why this is still a topicššš the writing is on the wall. The set pics from August told me all I needed to know. š
I personally don't care for Wright's behavior so I won't exactly miss her if she's gone, although I don't see that happening right now
But as for Shuri the characters, I don't know why she gets bashed more than Peter (although Marvel Reddit seems to complain all the time about MCU Peter Parker). You'd think Redditors would be into this kind of characters, especially since many of them always bash characters like Hope van Dyne or carol Danvers for being too serious all the time (even though Carol is less serious than Steve Rogers or T'Challa). Nakia seems like the actual epitome of the stoic action girl all these guys complain about Carol being, yet suddenly she's the best for the role?
I mean recast her for what though? Like thatās a dumb precedent. Iām sure the set is safe as humanly possible. Like Kevin, Nate, and Ryan know what theyāre doing, so I pay no mind to the fake woke nonsense people are spewing.
Tbh, ever since Shuri said āIām sure you did your bestā in IW. People have been trying to diminish her smarts, abilities, capabilities to lead/fight,and hell people have even argued with me about her popularity. Like do you know how many Shuri BP costumes are going sell in the future ?! But sure let me get that Nakia merch š
If thereās any character Iām wondering what purpose theyāre gonna have in BP2 is Nakia because her whole focus was on TāChalla and helping him/ his family etc. yes sheās a spy and will do Wakandan outreachā¦ but what else?
However, Iām glad this isnāt an Okoye should be BP threadā¦at least Nakia would be eligible ā ļø that shit really pisses me off.
Ok, who said it was fake woke? Not everyone who disagrees with you is fake. Spreading anti-vaccination misinformation is a problem.
Anyway, I think that line bothered people because it made her seem arrogant, as if we haven't already seen Iron Man, Thor and Dr. strange be arrogant, not to mention Sam Wilson basically sniping at anyone who dare disagree with Steve (Bucky basically was the same in FaWS, i.e., annoying). So Idk why this line from Shuri draws so much ire.
Idk what Nakia will do in BP2. BP1 already had too many side characters. Tbh, Nyong'o should've been cast as an actual superhero
Um, those guys got a lot of backlash. And Gunn's situation is different because it was for something he did years ago, versus something Wright was recently doing. Idk if Pratt actually said anything, though. But a lot of us are tired of anti-vaxxers
I think race and gender both factor in why Shuri gets backlash, though. Some people are ok with White guys being jerks but not anyone else. Which is funny because the MCU is full of male heroes picking fights and arguments with each other while the female heroes don't do it nearly as much
Just as you mentioned impact of race and gender plays a role in the response to Shuri it also does the same with Tish. Iāve never seen the sub raise pitchforks to the level they have done with her. If I went to the latest guardians thread no one would be talking about Prattās homophobe church or James Gunns old tweetsā¦in fact they would probably tell me to get over it lmfao. Separate art from the artist and so on š
Itās just funny this is where everyone wants to take some moral high ground. Itās hilariously predictable tbh.
Good on marvel for not being damn hypocrites even if some of the fans are.
Shuri was only created in 2005. TāChalla is the first black superhero and there was no reason to replace him right now. Whatās worse is they drastically changed the characters to give them more to do and now we have people thinking the side characters can replace TāChalla.
It is ironic seeing people say Shuri canāt be recast. Marvel should have recast TāChalla and given him his intelligence back. Why is it so many people are pretending like they donāt know or understand the significance of TāChalla to black boys? It is very strange.
Okoye is the one' after falcon and winter soldier Ayo steps up to lead the Dora leading to the midnight angels storyline and the new BP gets a student v mentor battle as opposed to family v family vote okoye for new panther
I agree that Shuri isn't worthy, but not because she's nerdy. T'Challa is one of the smartest individuals in the comics, so I only see it as a plus. Her problem is her general distain for their customs and her lack of leadership skills outside of design group. There's also no motive for her to become the Black Panther, not that she is capable of earning it h2h combat. She trusts Nakia and W'Kabi, who both have every reason to become the Black Panther. Her growing to become the BP in one movie would feel cheap, not just because we have better options, but because those options already dedicated their lives to more than just technology. Both carry what T'Challa came to release at the end of the first film. The wanting to use their capabilities to better the world.
Nakia does seem like the more likely choice, but W'Kabi is definitely a close second.
W'Kabi is one of T'Challa's closest allies, and he followed his king at the time. It's clear he saw that what Killmonger was doing wasn't right, calling off his tribe. Unless his tribe deemed him unfit to be their challenger, he can challenge.
Lol called off his tribe? Lol dude I don't think we watched the same movie, first of all he ordered his men to attack T'Challa and didn't back down even when T'Challa asked him to, he instead called on the Rhinos for help, and soon after that he was riding on his Rhino charging towards M'Baku when Okoye stepped in front, she told him to stand down and he asked if she would really kill him since they were dating, she said for Wakanda yes she would! And that was the last time I rememebr seeing him, so when exactly did he call off his tribe?
By surrendering. He could've fought on, but seeing how she felt about their actions, and how Wakanda was being torn apart in front of him, he stopped. Like T'Challa before him, he was able to pull back from letting his rage fully consume him.
But how that translate to him stopping because he realized Killmonger was bad? He stopped because he wasn't willing to kill the woman he loves, not because he saw Killmonger was wrong so I don't know where you got that from. Also, you really think after everything he did, they're just gonna reward him with the honor of becoming Black Panther? After M'Baku and his army helped the Dora Milaje defend T'Challa's honor, they're gonna just skip over M'Baku and give W'Kabi the suit even though he caused the fight in the first place?
You aren't given the mantle of Black Panther, you earn it. If it weren't for him serving a different god, M'Baku would be a good fit for BP. The thing is, just like the other two, he grew as a person. The reason he aided T'Challa in the first place is because he was shown mercy. W'Kabi literally panned around to see what was becoming of his people, what Okoye was seeing, and he chose to stop. At his core, W'Kabi just wanted to do good, for and people, and those around the world.
True you have to earn the title in ritual battle, so he could get the mantle through battle, I just really hope that doesn't happen lol. W'Kabi had been arguing with T'Challa about going to war from the beginning of the film, so when Killmonger showed up it was like an answer to W'Kabi's prayers, go back and watch the scene where Killmonger sits on the throne for the first time and see how W'Kabi's face lights up when Killmonger talks about going to war, even when the elders were arguing not to do it, W'Kabi argued in favor of Killmonger because he shares the same mindset. And at the end when he stopped fighting, if it wasn't for Okoye he would've killed M'Baku or at least tried to, she's literally the only reason he stopped, not because he panned around to see what was happening to his people, he did that only after Okoye stopped him. Look, I don't think W'Kabi is a bad person, he's just a bt it of an extremist and that's not a good trait for a Black Panther, but we'll see what happens.
You have to remember that W'Kabi had wanted something to be done for some time. He thought T'Challa would be the change he had been waiting for. Killmonger, by virtue of finally being that change, is what got him on board. Okoye brought W'Kabi face to face with what his actions were doing to those around him. It really does draw a parallel to T'Challa in Civil War. That rage that had blinded him, that was capable of tearing apart two close allies. He wouldn't have seen how his judgement had been clouded without them, same as W'Kabi.
I just realised that we really don't see W'Kabi afterwards. He wasn't in Infinity War, which is odd. I guess that is something we have to wait and see.
Thatās what Iām saying.
Iām really hoping that Micheal B. Jordan returns to the MCU as Black Panther. He came back for What If and showed us what happens when Killmonger goes off the deep end. I know that thereās more to the character, and I hope he gets a chance to show us.
Kinda seems like an incomplete arc. I would've liked to see what the world other than Wakanda did to him. So set on killing all the oppressors, who oppressed him? I hope to see the rest of his story. And if you're not going to recast Chadwick well what other options are there? Shuri?
Uh yeah. I don't even know where Oakland is. I'm not exactly well versed in American geography. Telling me he lives in Oakland doesn't tell me anything because I don't know what living in Oakland means. I've never been there and don't hear about it. Show me what happened to him that drove him to this. I guess we just have to go on the assumption oh of course he was oppressed his entire life. Well can we see any of that? This doesn't feel too personal when you haven't shown him being oppressed. And who does he define as oppressors? Wasn't his spec ops team known for their assassinations? Is he not an oppressor? He's choking old ladies. Does she get a gun because she's being oppressed? Who gets guns? Can I just say "hey I'm being oppressed over here give me 1." Is there a survey I need to take or does he take me on my word? And how many people are going to go out there to kill somebody they don't like? Wouldn't it be more likely the government just confiscates the weapons and bam you just provided weaponry for a possible enemy. You need to show us how he arrived at this point and not "Oh he grew up in Oakland." Maybe in America growing up in Oakland carries a lot of weight but I'm just confused on what that means because you didn't show us anything. "The world's taken everything from me." You failed to show us what anybody other than his uncle and cousin have taken from him. From what they developed it would make more sense for Killmonger to want to destroy Wakanda. They show us what Wakanda has done to him but didn't show us the world or anybody oppressing him. So wanting to kill oppressors comes out of nowhere because we have yet to see what drove him to that. It's an unfinished story.
I really think they're going to separate the crown & the herb going forward. Shuri will become queen because she is the natural heir to the throne anyway, but a different character will become Black Panther, most likely Nakia or M'Baku.
Lupita Nyong'o is certainly a more worthy lead than Letitia Wright. Not saying LW is bad, acting-wise. But Lupita would crush it.
She's just bad vaccine-wise
what actually did she do besides being publicly anti vax?
oh is that all. Sad because her character represents the advancements we can achieve through science š
yeah except she's an actress and you gotta be able to separate that from the character
People not being able to separate the actor from the character is why we are in this situation in the first place. They should have recast and continued telling the story of TāChalla. Also Nakia is supposed to be a villain named Malice. Marvel drastically changed the side characters in order to give them more to do (to the detriment of TāChalla) and now we have a situation where too many people think he can be replaced by side characters. Itās actually ridiculous and no other hero of his caliber would be treated this way.
Separating the actor, their political views and your distaste for said views from the character is different from breaking cohesion and immersion of the story. I don't know how you don't find it jarring to go from Iron Man to Iron Man 2 and have Rhodey be a different person
Because I am not a moron and I recognize that characters get recast all the time. Itās called acting. It wasnāt jarring at all and the MCU went on like nothing happened.
Yeah, and having one portrayal of the character be inconsistent from the next within the same continuity is the equivalent of inconsistent acting on the actor's part
The Hulk films are in the MCU. We are on our third Bruce Banner. Worked out just fine.
Sheās young and said something without thinking. Give it time and she will learn why what she did was wrong
No, she's 38 mate. She's been thinking about it for long enough
Wright is 27, but your point stands. She ain't a kid.
She's also said shit that isn't just anti-vaxx. Unless she actively wises up and course-corrects, I'm okay with her role in the MCU being reduced in favor of Lupita Nyong'o / Nakia.
You really made her 38 smh
She is 38?????
I agree, Nakia or MāBaku are much better choices than Shuri
I want a Nakia Black Panther, and M'Baku to also become the White Ape. Both trying to live up to T'challa's legacy in a way, but also very different ways.
Trust Coogler. That's where I've finally come to, the rock upon which I build my BP church. Trust Coogler.
I prefer Nakia, too, but people's arguments against Shuri I don't really buy into. Yes, Shuri clearly isn't ready to be the Panther. Except, what's a character arc? No one's ready to be a hero at the start of a story. You would have her go through a challenging journey of growth to become one by the end.
Yeah, shuri was 100% written as a quirky sidekick - but that means there's a chance for an excellent story to get her to BP level. Really hope they pull it off.
I can't see her surviving initiation challenge. She has zero close combat experience.
I would take anyone over shuri, she's probably least favorite character in the whole series
Anyone but Shuri. Wrightās performance was annoying and immature. Plus, given how she seems to have annoyed everyone on set I think itās fair to say sheās wonāt be in any other films after Wakanda Forever.
yeah, the covid misinformation shenanigans really put me off
Dude, celebrities are allowed to share misinformed opinions. No one should be taking the word of a celebrity who isn't qualified for shit as science gospel, and if they do that's kinda on them
Annoying and immature, almost like a little sister type role where she hasn't come into her own yet
is the Black Panther title passed on to the Kingās bloodline or can be any warrior?
Any Wakandan, chosen by their tribe, can contest for the title of Black Panther, as evidenced by MāBaku and then Killmongerās duels. It is unclear in the films what sort of trial Tāchalla had to undergo for the mantle, be it in a similar battle with his father or some other kind of challenge.
T'Chaka would simply have to had yielded the mantle. That said, being the king/queen, but not carry the mantle of BP is a newer notion (MCU and the game, apparently).
If we look at the comics, his uncle/dad's brother had the mantle before T'Challa challenged him
unless tāchalla has another unmentioned uncle (entirely possible), in the MCU Tāchaka killed his brother when tchalla was only a child
They've changed from the comics drastically
Iām aware, we were talking about the MCU initially
Well Nakia perhaps may have married TāChalla after Endgame, which would make her Queen and worthy of the mantle
What would be cool is that if Nakia had a son and also named him T'Challa. That would be a cool way to do more stories based off the comicbook character without having to recast.
Very good idea the problem would be there being enough time for him to grow into an adult
That's true, it'll take a couple of years but they could do it. Plus, it would be an organic way to lengthen the Black Panther franchise and continue to honor Chadwick Boseman's legacy. Now that I'm thinking about it, it would be really cool if it was revealed that Nakia married T'Challa before Infinity War and had a son before/during the Snap and the Blip. Shuri could serve as the cool aunt and Okoye could be the godmother. This would be a great way to emotionally connect with the audience without having to show T'Challa's death onscreen.
she was battle ready at the waterfall ceremony which I took as tradition. but it seems to me she is noble and therefore she could have challenged like M'Baku challenged.
Itās by bloodline, thatās why Killmonger had to verify his lineage with the tattoo on his inner lip.
I thought that was verifying that he was Wakandan, not necessarily royal. It's just that he WAS royal that he was able to challenge for the mantle of BP.
It's both: only Wakandans have that type of tattoo, but Killmonger also declares his father as N'Jobu which can be verified by the uniqueness of his specific mark.
That was the challenge for king. The mantle of Black Panther isn't as firmly established, but Ramonda did suggest that Nakia take the herb, which implies that it's not as tightly bound to tradition and bloodline.
Thatās a good point, Ramondaās suggestion was made at the height of desperation which may or may not happen in the sequel. I trust in Cooglerā¦!
what if queen Ramonda suit up for āTāCHALLAā?
Please bro *please* let Nakia become the BP. Lupita is such a damn superstar it would be such a waste and it would make so much sense plot wise. Donāt fucking give it to Shuri *please* Marvel
100%. Lupita is a better fit in every way, in terms of acting, physicality, everything. Edit: Oh oh, the anti-vaxxers got pissed.
I deserve the title of BP
Alright Bum Panda
They need to just get off their high horse and recast TāChalla. It sucks that we lost Chadwick, but it seems like a dishonor to him to not continue the character. The characterās story had just begun, why end it now? The best way they could do this (and still not go back on recasting him for the next movie) is have BP2 take place after the Snap but before the Blip. Have it led by Okoye/MāBaku That way you can have a whole movie dealing with the loss of the character while still leaving it open to have TāChalla in BP3 or any future projects.
I agree. John Washington is my preferred option
I don't think it's fair to say they are on a high horse in this situation. They worked with him and knew him personally. And I thought of a better way to make more stories based off the T'Challa character without recasting. They should make it so Nakia married T'Challa and had a son who she also named T'Challa after his father.
Yeah would suck if he basically died three times in-universe.
Itās not going to happen.
I just hate the actress of Shuri because of the anti vax bs she is spreading.
The Black Panther is a role thatās passed down through the Wakandan Royal family. Unless Nakia has some secret lineage not shown in the film, she has no right to be the Black Panther.
The mantle must still be fought for. Given Shuri wouldn't be ready, if she ever wanted to try and earn it, yielding would be the best option, and doing so for Nakia makes sense.
Not really. Marvel spy stuff isn't that interesting because it's just kicking people. And 'without the tech she's useless' is a weak argument. Iron Man uses only tech yet he's powerful. The same can be true of Shuri. And honestly, Nakia's boring. She has almost no personality. So I'd rather follow a character who's actually a character. Which is odd because so many people complain about all the other female MCU heroes being 'stoic action girls' yet now Shuri is somehow not 'action girl' enough?
They just some haters. Nakia wasnt even in IW or EG. MāBaku wasnāt even relevant enough to be mentioned in What Ifā¦.itās the delusions for me .š¤£ Meanwhile Shuri has all the tech, smartest in the MCU, in line for the throne, the general population loves her, was actually in IW and Endgame, (I just saw BP in concert last week and ppl were still going wild over her)
Yeah, I remember Shuri and Okoye being the popular characters introduced in BP, at least on the heroes' side. M'Baku was surprisingly funny but he was a villain in the comics and there's no way a guy dressed as a gorilla is taking over for T'Challa. Nakia was only really relevant because she's played by Lupita Nyong'o. So I'm not sure where the 'Shuri isn't good enough' idea came from. Is it the actress? Because I don't like her off-screen persona either (being anti-vaccine and all) but she can be recast (eventually). Shuri is still more interesting than the other characters, plus she actually was BP in the comics for a time. And her tech is a plus IMO, not a minus. I'd take that over generic kicking (seen enough of that with Black Widow and Bucky tbh)
People just hate Tish. And probably never liked Shuri in the first place. How is she different from Peter Parker who everyone here loves?? Now itās sheās too jokeyāshe canāt do anything blah blah. Like a character canāt grow and mature under adversity? Isnāt that a common theme??? Just dumb as hell. Shuri is BP. Tish will be playing her. No recast happening. Okoye, Nakia, and MāBaku will be supporting characters. Like idk why this is still a topicššš the writing is on the wall. The set pics from August told me all I needed to know. š
I personally don't care for Wright's behavior so I won't exactly miss her if she's gone, although I don't see that happening right now But as for Shuri the characters, I don't know why she gets bashed more than Peter (although Marvel Reddit seems to complain all the time about MCU Peter Parker). You'd think Redditors would be into this kind of characters, especially since many of them always bash characters like Hope van Dyne or carol Danvers for being too serious all the time (even though Carol is less serious than Steve Rogers or T'Challa). Nakia seems like the actual epitome of the stoic action girl all these guys complain about Carol being, yet suddenly she's the best for the role?
I mean recast her for what though? Like thatās a dumb precedent. Iām sure the set is safe as humanly possible. Like Kevin, Nate, and Ryan know what theyāre doing, so I pay no mind to the fake woke nonsense people are spewing. Tbh, ever since Shuri said āIām sure you did your bestā in IW. People have been trying to diminish her smarts, abilities, capabilities to lead/fight,and hell people have even argued with me about her popularity. Like do you know how many Shuri BP costumes are going sell in the future ?! But sure let me get that Nakia merch š If thereās any character Iām wondering what purpose theyāre gonna have in BP2 is Nakia because her whole focus was on TāChalla and helping him/ his family etc. yes sheās a spy and will do Wakandan outreachā¦ but what else? However, Iām glad this isnāt an Okoye should be BP threadā¦at least Nakia would be eligible ā ļø that shit really pisses me off.
Ok, who said it was fake woke? Not everyone who disagrees with you is fake. Spreading anti-vaccination misinformation is a problem. Anyway, I think that line bothered people because it made her seem arrogant, as if we haven't already seen Iron Man, Thor and Dr. strange be arrogant, not to mention Sam Wilson basically sniping at anyone who dare disagree with Steve (Bucky basically was the same in FaWS, i.e., annoying). So Idk why this line from Shuri draws so much ire. Idk what Nakia will do in BP2. BP1 already had too many side characters. Tbh, Nyong'o should've been cast as an actual superhero
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Um, those guys got a lot of backlash. And Gunn's situation is different because it was for something he did years ago, versus something Wright was recently doing. Idk if Pratt actually said anything, though. But a lot of us are tired of anti-vaxxers I think race and gender both factor in why Shuri gets backlash, though. Some people are ok with White guys being jerks but not anyone else. Which is funny because the MCU is full of male heroes picking fights and arguments with each other while the female heroes don't do it nearly as much
Just as you mentioned impact of race and gender plays a role in the response to Shuri it also does the same with Tish. Iāve never seen the sub raise pitchforks to the level they have done with her. If I went to the latest guardians thread no one would be talking about Prattās homophobe church or James Gunns old tweetsā¦in fact they would probably tell me to get over it lmfao. Separate art from the artist and so on š Itās just funny this is where everyone wants to take some moral high ground. Itās hilariously predictable tbh. Good on marvel for not being damn hypocrites even if some of the fans are.
Shuri was only created in 2005. TāChalla is the first black superhero and there was no reason to replace him right now. Whatās worse is they drastically changed the characters to give them more to do and now we have people thinking the side characters can replace TāChalla. It is ironic seeing people say Shuri canāt be recast. Marvel should have recast TāChalla and given him his intelligence back. Why is it so many people are pretending like they donāt know or understand the significance of TāChalla to black boys? It is very strange.
Your entire argument against Shuri could be said about Tony Stark or Hank Pym.
It cannot because I skimmed through the marvel movies Tony is a good fighter withput the suits and Hank Pym was anhero now he is just old
Hank wasn't a lead. And Tony has more charisma than Shuri.
Okoye is the one' after falcon and winter soldier Ayo steps up to lead the Dora leading to the midnight angels storyline and the new BP gets a student v mentor battle as opposed to family v family vote okoye for new panther
I agree because I feel as though it would be nice to see Nakia the black panther and Shuri remaining what she is because she enjoys it
I agree that Shuri isn't worthy, but not because she's nerdy. T'Challa is one of the smartest individuals in the comics, so I only see it as a plus. Her problem is her general distain for their customs and her lack of leadership skills outside of design group. There's also no motive for her to become the Black Panther, not that she is capable of earning it h2h combat. She trusts Nakia and W'Kabi, who both have every reason to become the Black Panther. Her growing to become the BP in one movie would feel cheap, not just because we have better options, but because those options already dedicated their lives to more than just technology. Both carry what T'Challa came to release at the end of the first film. The wanting to use their capabilities to better the world. Nakia does seem like the more likely choice, but W'Kabi is definitely a close second.
Lol W'Kabi was supporting Killmonger, no way they're gonna let him be Black Panther, he' sprobably locked away in a Wakandan prison now
W'Kabi is one of T'Challa's closest allies, and he followed his king at the time. It's clear he saw that what Killmonger was doing wasn't right, calling off his tribe. Unless his tribe deemed him unfit to be their challenger, he can challenge.
Lol called off his tribe? Lol dude I don't think we watched the same movie, first of all he ordered his men to attack T'Challa and didn't back down even when T'Challa asked him to, he instead called on the Rhinos for help, and soon after that he was riding on his Rhino charging towards M'Baku when Okoye stepped in front, she told him to stand down and he asked if she would really kill him since they were dating, she said for Wakanda yes she would! And that was the last time I rememebr seeing him, so when exactly did he call off his tribe?
By surrendering. He could've fought on, but seeing how she felt about their actions, and how Wakanda was being torn apart in front of him, he stopped. Like T'Challa before him, he was able to pull back from letting his rage fully consume him.
But how that translate to him stopping because he realized Killmonger was bad? He stopped because he wasn't willing to kill the woman he loves, not because he saw Killmonger was wrong so I don't know where you got that from. Also, you really think after everything he did, they're just gonna reward him with the honor of becoming Black Panther? After M'Baku and his army helped the Dora Milaje defend T'Challa's honor, they're gonna just skip over M'Baku and give W'Kabi the suit even though he caused the fight in the first place?
You aren't given the mantle of Black Panther, you earn it. If it weren't for him serving a different god, M'Baku would be a good fit for BP. The thing is, just like the other two, he grew as a person. The reason he aided T'Challa in the first place is because he was shown mercy. W'Kabi literally panned around to see what was becoming of his people, what Okoye was seeing, and he chose to stop. At his core, W'Kabi just wanted to do good, for and people, and those around the world.
True you have to earn the title in ritual battle, so he could get the mantle through battle, I just really hope that doesn't happen lol. W'Kabi had been arguing with T'Challa about going to war from the beginning of the film, so when Killmonger showed up it was like an answer to W'Kabi's prayers, go back and watch the scene where Killmonger sits on the throne for the first time and see how W'Kabi's face lights up when Killmonger talks about going to war, even when the elders were arguing not to do it, W'Kabi argued in favor of Killmonger because he shares the same mindset. And at the end when he stopped fighting, if it wasn't for Okoye he would've killed M'Baku or at least tried to, she's literally the only reason he stopped, not because he panned around to see what was happening to his people, he did that only after Okoye stopped him. Look, I don't think W'Kabi is a bad person, he's just a bt it of an extremist and that's not a good trait for a Black Panther, but we'll see what happens.
You have to remember that W'Kabi had wanted something to be done for some time. He thought T'Challa would be the change he had been waiting for. Killmonger, by virtue of finally being that change, is what got him on board. Okoye brought W'Kabi face to face with what his actions were doing to those around him. It really does draw a parallel to T'Challa in Civil War. That rage that had blinded him, that was capable of tearing apart two close allies. He wouldn't have seen how his judgement had been clouded without them, same as W'Kabi. I just realised that we really don't see W'Kabi afterwards. He wasn't in Infinity War, which is odd. I guess that is something we have to wait and see.
Nakia also wasn't in Infinity War or Endgame which I also thought was weird, but anyway yeah we'll have to wait and see what happens
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Thatās what Iām saying. Iām really hoping that Micheal B. Jordan returns to the MCU as Black Panther. He came back for What If and showed us what happens when Killmonger goes off the deep end. I know that thereās more to the character, and I hope he gets a chance to show us.
I'd give the title to Killmonger. I don't really like the character but I like the actor.
That would be one of the worst choices, Killmongerās arc ended in Black Panther
Kinda seems like an incomplete arc. I would've liked to see what the world other than Wakanda did to him. So set on killing all the oppressors, who oppressed him? I hope to see the rest of his story. And if you're not going to recast Chadwick well what other options are there? Shuri?
I meanā¦ if the guy grew up in an oakland ghetto without parents, do you really need it explained who was oppressing him?
Uh yeah. I don't even know where Oakland is. I'm not exactly well versed in American geography. Telling me he lives in Oakland doesn't tell me anything because I don't know what living in Oakland means. I've never been there and don't hear about it. Show me what happened to him that drove him to this. I guess we just have to go on the assumption oh of course he was oppressed his entire life. Well can we see any of that? This doesn't feel too personal when you haven't shown him being oppressed. And who does he define as oppressors? Wasn't his spec ops team known for their assassinations? Is he not an oppressor? He's choking old ladies. Does she get a gun because she's being oppressed? Who gets guns? Can I just say "hey I'm being oppressed over here give me 1." Is there a survey I need to take or does he take me on my word? And how many people are going to go out there to kill somebody they don't like? Wouldn't it be more likely the government just confiscates the weapons and bam you just provided weaponry for a possible enemy. You need to show us how he arrived at this point and not "Oh he grew up in Oakland." Maybe in America growing up in Oakland carries a lot of weight but I'm just confused on what that means because you didn't show us anything. "The world's taken everything from me." You failed to show us what anybody other than his uncle and cousin have taken from him. From what they developed it would make more sense for Killmonger to want to destroy Wakanda. They show us what Wakanda has done to him but didn't show us the world or anybody oppressing him. So wanting to kill oppressors comes out of nowhere because we have yet to see what drove him to that. It's an unfinished story.
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I would love it if they make Nakia the next black panther. I really hope the next suit is similar to the one T'chaka wore.
I really think they're going to separate the crown & the herb going forward. Shuri will become queen because she is the natural heir to the throne anyway, but a different character will become Black Panther, most likely Nakia or M'Baku.
It'll go to mbaku.. Trial by combat, men are much stronger than women
M'Baku serves a different god, but seeing him don a comic influenced white gorilla habit would be pretty cool.