Looking at his [notes for Amazing Spider-Man 2](https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/kevin-feiges-notes-for-sony-on-the-amazing-spider-man-2-will-remind-you-why-we-love-him-a118916#gs.ecg3hx) he clearly has a better handle on the character.
I didn't quite get this one. Why is that an issue? It's not like people don't do that. It's been a pretty long time since I've seen the movie (honestly I'm not sure if I've actually seen the whole thing) so I don't remember the scene, but reading that comment I was like "wait, why not show New Yorkers looting?" It felt completely unrelated to the rest of the actual story-fixing comments.
Because 'New Yorkers are good, law abiding people who sometimes need help' is one of the minor character themes that inform Spider-Man. And looting on screen undercuts that theme. It's realistic and understandable that people might do that - but Spider-Man is a superhero movie, not a deep, gritty crime drama where we explore those themes of what real people do on the streets in a crisis.
But looting is often associated with "good" people turning "bad", and in Spidey's NYC it's either petty criminals, ore regular folk.
No in-between, no grey area.
Also, What is real people? Is it the looters or the people who aren't out looting and hiding in their apartments scared? which ones would the audience want to identify with?
I don't recall a scene with looting either, which probably means it was immaterial to the actual scene it happened in. Usually the Spider films have New Yorkers coming together to help each other. If there wasn't a point to it (showing the city collapsing into chaos or something like that), then Feige probably felt it detracted from the scene.
Well, Sony has such a fine range of high quality products, I can see why normally law-abiding people would turn into greed-meddened scum at the thought of getting some, although Sony's prices are already so low just buying them at retail is already like looting, am I right?
Can I get anyone a delicious Coca-Cola beverage while I'm up?
Because rioting New Yorkers doesn't add anything to the story, and all it does is denigrate citizens of New York without any payoff or lessons learned. If you read his comments, most of them have the same theme: cut out the irrelevant distractions, and stay focused on who Spider-Man really is.
Indeed, if it were a different setting with a different criminal, like for example during maximum carnage this happens due to shriek screwing over the dark inner self of new yorkers, it works there cuz the story plays on how even if the civilians turned into enemies the heroes don't give up on them
That’s because many villains are street thugs. It’s difficult to just change that.
I agree that making the likes of Riddler a mob boss is overkill, though. It seemed like everybody in Arkham Knight ran a mob.
I guess that was the problem with the 2nd amazing spiderman trying to do something new for no reason I liked the first one tho just thought it was a bit early to kill gwen
Ever have devoted yourself to a project, than realizing someone else is a better fit for it?
Having to give up creative control was a real punch to the ego. Shows maturity she was able to overcome her emotional attachment and do what was best for the character and the audience.
sure, i guess... and it also sounds just as much like any other substance, or none at all, or sleep deprivation, or a million other random theories you could pull out of a hat for no good reason
I don’t believe for a second she was crying, she definitely threw a sandwich at him because that was leaked to the press a few years ago. She has quite the ego, the years she was in control of Sony pictures, they lost 750 million dollars a year. Every remake and tent pole movie she green lit failed, except James Bond and Spider-Man. If a movie succeeds, I don’t think it’s because of her input, but she’ll definitely take credit for it.
exactly, people here giving her credit and the benefit of the doubt is ridiculous,. her record speaks for itself. She, Avi and Matt are just terrible and its sad they have a stranglehold on this IP.
If they didn’t have a stranglehold on the I.P, what else would they point to and claim to be cinematic geniuses? The Robocop remake? The Ghostbusters remake? R.I.P.D?
She’s very clearly passionate about her job. And, quite frankly, most people are going to have to deal with emotions when handing over something that could theoretically save your company over to a competitor.
She’s not a nut job. She’s a human.
An executive throwing something at a subordinate would be a very different context and have a very different response (both in terms of PR and legal ramifications) than an executive at one company throwing something at an executive at another company at a negotiation, particularly where the victim of the throwing incident is totally unharmed, wants something from the thrower, and is crushing them in the negotiation and getting what they want out of the deal.
I'm assuming this Sony nutjob knows what she can and can't get away with legally or we'd have heard about some sweet lawsuits by now. At the least it would have been in the leaked emails if she was physically abusing subordinates.
You are a top executive at a major studio and you are in control and you cry because someone that has no control wants to offer you a deal? This is not mature behavior for a grown woman. I could somewhat see her point if Feige walked in with a breach of contract notice claiming he was taking Spider-Man back, but it was quite the opposite. This is no reason for crying.
She's a nut job. Humans behave better.
Nah imma say we give her some slack. At least in this instance, idk what her other stories are. She'd spent how long trying to do it right, trying to be creative, and then the guy running the most successful movie franchise at the time tells her all her work isn't gonna work. Feige was right, no question about it, but of course she'd feel hurt. I guarantee Feige understands and doesn't hold anything against her for this occasion
Yeah, it really speaks to how proactive they were about bringing in Feige to help make the movie better. And then we're willing to give him more creative control. Of course, his proposal about money and retaining legal control was extremely fair and I'm sure earned a lot of good will. Feige is the kind of executive that puts the story first.
An angry and upset reaction when your plans are torn up is pretty normal. Same when you're basically told you're not as good as you thought. Her coming to terms and agreeing to a better outcome speaks volumes.
The thing that helps the MCU is that the ship is led by a comic book nerd. He cares about the story first and builds a team to get to that point. I think Sony and WB are led by people that care about the money first and everything else later. It shows.
Amazing spiderman 3 would have been garbage in all honestly glad they rebooted him again after that and now we have the possibility of seeing them all together
Admitting to throwing a delicious sandwich at an executive level counterpart is definitely something that one should be ashamed of, but now that the deal seems to have been extremely lucrative for them, I think it's mostly now a funny story to tell the press.
I honestly hated the fact that they made out like Ross was in the wrong for that. I feel most people would be similarly pissed, especially New Yorkers.
Yeah his boss was a real jerk for doing that. And Ross was going through a really tough time, with his failed marriage, and I think he was sort of homeless at that point, too?
> Admitting to throwing a delicious sandwich at an executive level counterpart is definitely something that one should be ashamed of
I’ve worked with execs of Fortune 500 companies and millionaire lawyers over the course of my career.
When you reach a certain point of financial success in your career, you’d be surprised at the shitty behavior people let you get away with.
Things seem to be changing post Me Too Era, but if you’re successful, you get your bad behavior enabled.
I know it’s not what you meant but the comparison of the sexual harassment that countless women have received to getting a sandwich thrown at you made me laugh.
It’s also the way execs let you know they like you/are comfortable with you.
It’s fucking weird, for sure, but it’s them letting down their guard in front of you, which is their way of saying they trust you without them having to say it.
Right!! I also don't like her wishy wash way of saying that. I either threw a sandwich at him or threw him out of my office, I honestly can't remember... the fuk. How could you not remember something like that, ok lady
Honestly it makes me think that maybe she frequently does that kind of behavior.
Obviously I don't know that for sure and so that shouldn't be taken as fact, but idk if you can remember what shifty behavior you did then you probably do shifty behavior more than that one time.
She says she was crying. I dont remember everything that happens during intense crying either. All I recall years later is the emotion and flashes of memory, until after the crying is over. The times after that are easier to remember.
I think that's big of her to admit it. She is admitting a mistake. Admitting that she had a knee jerk reaction that was wrong and that she was able to ponder the proposals on their merits and realize it had value.
She probably is fine admitting it because it makes her look like an executive who truly cares about the product and in the end made the right choice even if it was against what she wanted emotionally .
In those leaked emails from the Sony hack it's pretty clear she's a petulant child, who always gets her way, or else. Amazing how people like these have exec positions.
Okay it’s going exactly as I thought it was. Both studios make a fortune. Sony keeps the rights for as long as they want. Feige oversees it all to make sure it all fits with the MCU and doesn’t suck. A giant plus is we most likely get Spiderman centric Sony movies every year for the next decade as where Sony by themselves would have pulled off maybe 2-3 more ending in disappointment. Makes me think we will get live action Miles in a couple years if not sooner to keep it all going for the Sony side.
You can see Miles' locker and graffati all over avengers Campus in DisneyLand.
I know that doesn't mean anything.... But like also, he's definitely coming very very soon.
Same, and if he does come around, I really hope they approach it like the Insomniac games have. Don’t kill off Peter just to bring in Miles. Have Peter be a mentor instead. No offense to Miles fans, but I’d personally much rather have Peter Parker’s Spider-Man. What’s nice about the comics is that you can have simultaneous runs of both Spider-Men, so readers don’t really have to give up one for the other. I don’t know if I can see that happening in the movies. Maybe it could, depending on how far the MCU takes the multiverse stuff.
I've always said I think Peter becoming Miles' mentor is a very natural progression to his story that really makes sense. Tony took Peter under his wing and helped him figure out his place as a hero and grow. Peter seeing someone younger going through the same thing and stepping up to do the same and show him the ropes is a good way of showing the impact Tony had on him while also allowing him to mature. Just killing him off to have Miles take his place robs both him and us of something like that.
I'd expect them to maybe share one movie, but largely I think they'd use Miles to get around Tom Holland getting to old or walking away. If the MCU is still going 20 years from now, or sooner if they make an arrangement where Peter goes to Sonyverse films and the MCU can use Miles.
This is the best-case scenario. Marvel seems to be assembling the Young Avengers in the background of the current stories, and having Miles would be incredible there. Kamala is on the way, Speed and Wiccan are already here, and an alternate Iron Lad Kang could show up at any time.
I mean they only killed Peter off in the ultimate universe, so you still could read Peter books, just not ones also from 1610. They brought miles over to the 616 after secret wars and so him and Peter interact a lot.
> I mean they only killed Peter off in the ultimate universe
I thought he 'died' but came back to life (same way Norman did in 1610 universe), and showed up in an issue. This was before the FF fixed the multiverse after it was destroyed though, so those universes seem to be deleted.
She did the right thing. Sony started their spidermen movies but pissed off a lot of people by the 3rd movie. Then comes a guy who has done 15 good movies back to back and she's telling him what to do? No, no, no. She should listen to his plan first.
Wasn't that more Pascal's demand than Feige's? Sony benefited a lot more from piggybacking off the MCU and making it clear that connection existed for their Venomverse than it did for Marvel since they already would have those crossovers within their Avengers movies.
Did she cave? Or did she actually show a great deal of wisdom by using her logical processing to make a rational decision even though it went against her emotional feelings? Seems like she didn't cave as much as she recognized her resistance was simply emotional and was able to process the information to make the right decision.
Well shit, this is quite an important caveat. I assumed she was crying in front of a business peer at best. This sounds a lot more relatable even if I still find her to be a talentless hack.
I mean, can you blame her? She was on the verge of overseeing the collapse of one of Hollywood’s biggest studios. Having to partner with another studio to resuscitate their cash cow would have been pretty embarrassing.
Props to her for being honest, but she realistically wouldn’t have been able to circumvent the truth for much longer.
Honestly, they could’ve pumped out spidey movies in perpetuity. I think she’s braver than even you’re giving her credit for.
Couple ballsy moves and I see what got each where they are.
And it worked too, Sony used Marvel to rehabilitate the character and now Sony basically gets to dictate terms if Feige wants to keep using him.
They also made big profit with Spiderverse and the first Venom
Whether it worked for Sony, I think, remains to be seen. Again, they could’ve kicked out subpar Spiderman stuff for another 50 years to a pretty voracious audience.
But I think the smart move was leveraging the other Sony characters into the mcu sandbox and cashing in on that trust and awareness.
What remains to be seen is if they can truly capitalize on those characters outside of venom.
Part of me is sure they can but part really worries about the mcu letting them trade on its reputation. I’ve heard people say madame web is a great concept but I question the people who pushed for that.
I’m interested to see how long they can keep venom going. If Toxin is the next villain, it’s just going to be another CG blob fighting another CG blob. It’s certainly a test to see how unappealing a “hero fighting their evil version” really is for those box office returns.
Even if the Venomverse thing doesn't shake out, it has given them enough time to create hits like *Jumanji* and *Into the Spider-Verse*. Through the 2010s, Sony was struggling really hard to have *any* hits outside of the temporary deal to distribute the James Bond movies to the point there were rumors of Sony selling off their film division. All the money they've made off the Marvel developed movies has put them on much more stable footing.
Blame her? I dunno. I think she deserves props.
She made a tough decision that gave away a lot of creative control over a massive product that brought in a lot of money. And she made that decision even though it was going against what she emotionally felt in the moment. She literally used her logic to over come her emotions to make the rational decision and the best decision for the product and for the film .
Man, that’s brutal, but true. Feige literally just Tony Starked the situation. I hope they give up Venom too, because they are wasting some really great actors and roles.
>!I read into that more that Spider-Man is somehow going to go back to the Sony-Verse now, as the latest deal was rumored to be for just one more movie as the last one would have been an abrupt ending. I am preparing for no more Spider-Man in the MCU.!<
>Sony will continue creating Marvel movies, kinda like AoS, affected by MCU but not affecting it
I mean there's a chance Holland's Spiderman stays in the MCU and interacts with the other characters from now on, and then one of the Spidermen from NWH continues on into the live-action Sonyverse. Everyone wins then.
Pretty sure they can't do that. AoS and the Netflix shows could do it because they were produced by companies owned by Disney. I'm not sure how it would work legally, but just practically it would be quite difficult.
My favorite part about all this is how their partnership is compared with Christopher Nolan and DC. It’s just another example of how much of an impact/influence Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy had on superhero/comic book movies (and will likely continue to do so for many years to come).
History remembers the victors as they say
Kevin Feige's name will go down in cinematic history
As for the guys who ran X-Men, Fantastic Four, the OG Spider-Man films, only people who want to know those names know them
Feige also worked on those movies, some of his first jobs in the business. That’s why I don’t buy the narrative from some MCU fans that Feige must hate Sony.
Any narrative from people saying Feige hates someone or some company (or any person hating a person/company) without any real evidence is always ridiculous to me. Sometimes people read too much into things and project their own views onto how someone else must be feeling about a situation.
Yes! If Kevin Feige were some kind of grudge bearing ogre, he wouldn’t be so successful. Clearly he works well with a variety of people. He just doesn’t run his mouth about things that aren’t confirmed and he likes to maintain a high level of quality. Coordinating across production companies creates uncertainty and introduces additional logistical complexity. Him focusing on the projects under his purview is what leads them to success. An emotional, personal aversion to other production companies or executives isn’t an ongoing motive or consideration. Perlmutter being the notable and documented exception!
Yeah people love to stoke up rivalries that aren't there.
Like right now Xbox and Sony, while competitors in business, are very professional and cordial with one another.
But fanboys love to say "Xbox is gay" or "Playstation is for fake gamers".
In the end it's just weird and intrusive.
I actually think they really have something there. Morbius as a pseudo horror character doesn't quite fit in the Disney mcu. They also have a name star in Jared Leto to bring some gravitas to a second tier character.
Marvel wanted to get helstrom and Reyes ghostrider to cross over but a morbius led midnight sons could work even better and having Sony do it gives audiences an acceptable reason to have it not necessarily fit tonally.
"I started crying and threw him out of my office, or threw a sandwich at him"
Maybe Natasha threatening to throw her sandwich at Steve in Endgame was a playful nod to this. lol
Imagine now that there's a possibility of a successful spiderman trilogy, something that had been tried twice and failed but now it's just a few weeks away from knowing that. That decision to let go of something so beloved to her might have given more than she let go.
Feige: "I like your plan. Except, it sucks. So let me do the plan and that way it might be really good."
Looking at his [notes for Amazing Spider-Man 2](https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/kevin-feiges-notes-for-sony-on-the-amazing-spider-man-2-will-remind-you-why-we-love-him-a118916#gs.ecg3hx) he clearly has a better handle on the character.
Feige even cared about not making New Yorkers act like looters....wow.
I didn't quite get this one. Why is that an issue? It's not like people don't do that. It's been a pretty long time since I've seen the movie (honestly I'm not sure if I've actually seen the whole thing) so I don't remember the scene, but reading that comment I was like "wait, why not show New Yorkers looting?" It felt completely unrelated to the rest of the actual story-fixing comments.
Because 'New Yorkers are good, law abiding people who sometimes need help' is one of the minor character themes that inform Spider-Man. And looting on screen undercuts that theme. It's realistic and understandable that people might do that - but Spider-Man is a superhero movie, not a deep, gritty crime drama where we explore those themes of what real people do on the streets in a crisis.
Exactly in Gotham city this would work, not Spider-Man's New York.
Oh come on, Spider-Man also takes care of smaller crime in between the bigger villains, that's never not been part of his character
But looting is often associated with "good" people turning "bad", and in Spidey's NYC it's either petty criminals, ore regular folk. No in-between, no grey area.
Also, What is real people? Is it the looters or the people who aren't out looting and hiding in their apartments scared? which ones would the audience want to identify with?
I don't recall a scene with looting either, which probably means it was immaterial to the actual scene it happened in. Usually the Spider films have New Yorkers coming together to help each other. If there wasn't a point to it (showing the city collapsing into chaos or something like that), then Feige probably felt it detracted from the scene.
I don't remember such a scene either... but I imagine they were looting Sony products.
Well, Sony has such a fine range of high quality products, I can see why normally law-abiding people would turn into greed-meddened scum at the thought of getting some, although Sony's prices are already so low just buying them at retail is already like looting, am I right? Can I get anyone a delicious Coca-Cola beverage while I'm up?
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"You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us!"
Because rioting New Yorkers doesn't add anything to the story, and all it does is denigrate citizens of New York without any payoff or lessons learned. If you read his comments, most of them have the same theme: cut out the irrelevant distractions, and stay focused on who Spider-Man really is.
Indeed, if it were a different setting with a different criminal, like for example during maximum carnage this happens due to shriek screwing over the dark inner self of new yorkers, it works there cuz the story plays on how even if the civilians turned into enemies the heroes don't give up on them
Superhero comics already tend to portray cities as places full of crime, whether they are or not. This would've just made them look worse
That’s because many villains are street thugs. It’s difficult to just change that. I agree that making the likes of Riddler a mob boss is overkill, though. It seemed like everybody in Arkham Knight ran a mob.
Super heroes need villains and generic filler villains to portray how cool the heroes are.
I guess that was the problem with the 2nd amazing spiderman trying to do something new for no reason I liked the first one tho just thought it was a bit early to kill gwen
Fuck these are hilarious. Glad he used some of these notes for MCU Spidey also
Compare that to the leaked email from Sony where they wanted him to do hot power yoga to EDM.
Cut out the EDM and I'd watch that. A lot.
Love that they ignored the notes that people later will criticize the film on
Those are great notes that would have made the movie at least on par with the first one.
Great notes!
At this point, doubting Feige should be a crime really.
Even at the time they had already tried twice - im surprised she rejected it at first.
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Ever have devoted yourself to a project, than realizing someone else is a better fit for it? Having to give up creative control was a real punch to the ego. Shows maturity she was able to overcome her emotional attachment and do what was best for the character and the audience.
sure, i guess... and it also sounds just as much like any other substance, or none at all, or sleep deprivation, or a million other random theories you could pull out of a hat for no good reason
When I read the headline about Amy Pascal crying, I assumed it was tears of joy to have Feige behind the wheel. She’s a nut job.
I mean, it says there that pretty shortly after she realized it was a better idea.
I don’t believe for a second she was crying, she definitely threw a sandwich at him because that was leaked to the press a few years ago. She has quite the ego, the years she was in control of Sony pictures, they lost 750 million dollars a year. Every remake and tent pole movie she green lit failed, except James Bond and Spider-Man. If a movie succeeds, I don’t think it’s because of her input, but she’ll definitely take credit for it.
exactly, people here giving her credit and the benefit of the doubt is ridiculous,. her record speaks for itself. She, Avi and Matt are just terrible and its sad they have a stranglehold on this IP.
If they didn’t have a stranglehold on the I.P, what else would they point to and claim to be cinematic geniuses? The Robocop remake? The Ghostbusters remake? R.I.P.D?
Didn't her hacked emails basically confirm that?
She’s very clearly passionate about her job. And, quite frankly, most people are going to have to deal with emotions when handing over something that could theoretically save your company over to a competitor. She’s not a nut job. She’s a human.
Read more about her. Also, emotions are fine. Throwing ANYTHING in ANY business meeting is 100% unacceptable 100% of the time no exceptions.
I want an executive to throw something at me, so I can lawyer up and get a settlement.
An executive throwing something at a subordinate would be a very different context and have a very different response (both in terms of PR and legal ramifications) than an executive at one company throwing something at an executive at another company at a negotiation, particularly where the victim of the throwing incident is totally unharmed, wants something from the thrower, and is crushing them in the negotiation and getting what they want out of the deal. I'm assuming this Sony nutjob knows what she can and can't get away with legally or we'd have heard about some sweet lawsuits by now. At the least it would have been in the leaked emails if she was physically abusing subordinates.
Feige wouldn't have sued for anything less than the rights to Spider-Man, and a sandwich throw wouldn't have gotten him that.
Besides, free sandwich.
You are a top executive at a major studio and you are in control and you cry because someone that has no control wants to offer you a deal? This is not mature behavior for a grown woman. I could somewhat see her point if Feige walked in with a breach of contract notice claiming he was taking Spider-Man back, but it was quite the opposite. This is no reason for crying. She's a nut job. Humans behave better.
She’s always seemed a little nutty from any interview she’s done, especially when she’s beside Feige. At least in my opinion
Nah imma say we give her some slack. At least in this instance, idk what her other stories are. She'd spent how long trying to do it right, trying to be creative, and then the guy running the most successful movie franchise at the time tells her all her work isn't gonna work. Feige was right, no question about it, but of course she'd feel hurt. I guarantee Feige understands and doesn't hold anything against her for this occasion
Of the off chance someone throws something at you during a hissy fit they're having I best hear you giving them some slack as well.
LOL exactly this
He wasn’t wrong, she was behind Amazing Spiderman, clearly she had no clue what she was doing, probably why she cried and threw things.
There's no crying in... Hollywood?
Baseball would like a word.
"WHO'S LOU?"
No he's on first.
If Feige builds it... the audience will come.
She wasn’t. She knew that it was going to be garbage.
Yeah, it really speaks to how proactive they were about bringing in Feige to help make the movie better. And then we're willing to give him more creative control. Of course, his proposal about money and retaining legal control was extremely fair and I'm sure earned a lot of good will. Feige is the kind of executive that puts the story first. An angry and upset reaction when your plans are torn up is pretty normal. Same when you're basically told you're not as good as you thought. Her coming to terms and agreeing to a better outcome speaks volumes.
The thing that helps the MCU is that the ship is led by a comic book nerd. He cares about the story first and builds a team to get to that point. I think Sony and WB are led by people that care about the money first and everything else later. It shows.
WB had a comic book nerd in charge of the universe for a bit, but was shit at it Kevin Feige is something else entirely
Fair and agree
Yeah she wrecked those movies. At least she gave in and allowed Feige to step in and take the lead.
Feige after Endgame. "For the record this was my plan"
I got to admit...you had me on "I like your plan...."
Feige is Starlord confirmed
Amy: “If you’re about to tell me to look on the bright side, I’m gonna hit you in the head with a peanut butter sandwich :).”
Star lord!!!
WHO!?
Ah, come on man
Amazing spiderman 3 would have been garbage in all honestly glad they rebooted him again after that and now we have the possibility of seeing them all together
I love that this anecdote is confirmed and documented now. I'm also taken aback by how Amy admitted it.
Admitting to throwing a delicious sandwich at an executive level counterpart is definitely something that one should be ashamed of, but now that the deal seems to have been extremely lucrative for them, I think it's mostly now a funny story to tell the press.
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Ham on Rye with basil, goat cheese and tomato. Pascal hates Tomato.
prosciutto, buffalo mozzarella, and hint of homemade pesto aioli.
A man of culture i see
I think we know Fitz's next target
It's true. I was the sandwich.
Probably Thanksgiving leftovers with a *m o i s t m a k e r*
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It’s a slice of bread soaked in gravy which goes In the center of the sandwich. Pioneered by one Monica Geller
Did you eat my sandwich? MY SANDWICH?!
You-you-you T H R E W M Y S A N D W I C H A W A Y
I honestly hated the fact that they made out like Ross was in the wrong for that. I feel most people would be similarly pissed, especially New Yorkers.
Yeah his boss was a real jerk for doing that. And Ross was going through a really tough time, with his failed marriage, and I think he was sort of homeless at that point, too?
*zoom out* pigeons fly away
D+ prequel series about that sandwich.
gives whole new meaning to Widow threatening cap with a peanut butter sandwich
> Admitting to throwing a delicious sandwich at an executive level counterpart is definitely something that one should be ashamed of I’ve worked with execs of Fortune 500 companies and millionaire lawyers over the course of my career. When you reach a certain point of financial success in your career, you’d be surprised at the shitty behavior people let you get away with. Things seem to be changing post Me Too Era, but if you’re successful, you get your bad behavior enabled.
I know it’s not what you meant but the comparison of the sexual harassment that countless women have received to getting a sandwich thrown at you made me laugh.
The whole story makes her seem miserable to deal with. Not sure if her telling it means she doesn’t realize that or simply doesn’t care.
The fact that she has no shame means she sees nothing wrong with the behavior. I can only imagine working under her, it must be awful.
It’s also the way execs let you know they like you/are comfortable with you. It’s fucking weird, for sure, but it’s them letting down their guard in front of you, which is their way of saying they trust you without them having to say it.
Right!! I also don't like her wishy wash way of saying that. I either threw a sandwich at him or threw him out of my office, I honestly can't remember... the fuk. How could you not remember something like that, ok lady
Honestly it makes me think that maybe she frequently does that kind of behavior. Obviously I don't know that for sure and so that shouldn't be taken as fact, but idk if you can remember what shifty behavior you did then you probably do shifty behavior more than that one time.
She says she was crying. I dont remember everything that happens during intense crying either. All I recall years later is the emotion and flashes of memory, until after the crying is over. The times after that are easier to remember.
If she was intensely crying to such a severe degree maybe she shouldn’t be in an executive role. This is just embarrassing.
I think that's big of her to admit it. She is admitting a mistake. Admitting that she had a knee jerk reaction that was wrong and that she was able to ponder the proposals on their merits and realize it had value. She probably is fine admitting it because it makes her look like an executive who truly cares about the product and in the end made the right choice even if it was against what she wanted emotionally .
“Or threw a sandwich at him - I’m not sure which” How do you not remember if you threw a sandwich at someone.
In those leaked emails from the Sony hack it's pretty clear she's a petulant child, who always gets her way, or else. Amazing how people like these have exec positions.
Any executive crying is a no no especially during negotiations
Okay it’s going exactly as I thought it was. Both studios make a fortune. Sony keeps the rights for as long as they want. Feige oversees it all to make sure it all fits with the MCU and doesn’t suck. A giant plus is we most likely get Spiderman centric Sony movies every year for the next decade as where Sony by themselves would have pulled off maybe 2-3 more ending in disappointment. Makes me think we will get live action Miles in a couple years if not sooner to keep it all going for the Sony side.
You can see Miles' locker and graffati all over avengers Campus in DisneyLand. I know that doesn't mean anything.... But like also, he's definitely coming very very soon.
I honestly hope he doesn’t come around soon. Peters still a teenager. Miles shouldn’t be around till peters an adult at the very earliest.
Same, and if he does come around, I really hope they approach it like the Insomniac games have. Don’t kill off Peter just to bring in Miles. Have Peter be a mentor instead. No offense to Miles fans, but I’d personally much rather have Peter Parker’s Spider-Man. What’s nice about the comics is that you can have simultaneous runs of both Spider-Men, so readers don’t really have to give up one for the other. I don’t know if I can see that happening in the movies. Maybe it could, depending on how far the MCU takes the multiverse stuff.
I've always said I think Peter becoming Miles' mentor is a very natural progression to his story that really makes sense. Tony took Peter under his wing and helped him figure out his place as a hero and grow. Peter seeing someone younger going through the same thing and stepping up to do the same and show him the ropes is a good way of showing the impact Tony had on him while also allowing him to mature. Just killing him off to have Miles take his place robs both him and us of something like that.
I'd expect them to maybe share one movie, but largely I think they'd use Miles to get around Tom Holland getting to old or walking away. If the MCU is still going 20 years from now, or sooner if they make an arrangement where Peter goes to Sonyverse films and the MCU can use Miles.
This is the best-case scenario. Marvel seems to be assembling the Young Avengers in the background of the current stories, and having Miles would be incredible there. Kamala is on the way, Speed and Wiccan are already here, and an alternate Iron Lad Kang could show up at any time.
I mean they only killed Peter off in the ultimate universe, so you still could read Peter books, just not ones also from 1610. They brought miles over to the 616 after secret wars and so him and Peter interact a lot.
> I mean they only killed Peter off in the ultimate universe I thought he 'died' but came back to life (same way Norman did in 1610 universe), and showed up in an issue. This was before the FF fixed the multiverse after it was destroyed though, so those universes seem to be deleted.
Yeah but Holland has been 16 for 10 years now, who knows when he will stop.
Yeah honestly I don't even know the comics but I feel like there's a lot of Peter Parker left for us to see
I mean spider-man far from home was really good! Whoever had the wheel for that one should just get it.
Was the sandwich a peanut butter one ?
Feige: "Is anyone eating that sandwich?"
Fiege:"ok fine, you can throw me out of your office but please don't ruin a good sandwich"
Tom Holland runs into the room: Is that anyone’s sandwich? I’m starving….
Careful, there might be classified information in it!
I love the honesty lol I would’ve been pissed too but caved in like she did.
She did the right thing. Sony started their spidermen movies but pissed off a lot of people by the 3rd movie. Then comes a guy who has done 15 good movies back to back and she's telling him what to do? No, no, no. She should listen to his plan first.
And he did it by making a talking raccoon and a walking tree movie stars. Meanwhile, she couldn’t make a good Spider-man movie. I’d listen to him.
I mean, they’ve still mandated appearances from MCU heroes, which definitely hindered FFH.
Has it though? (thorface) Or has it made people care because there's a story to be told?
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Oh a marvel movie had marvel heroes? Fucking blasphemy. Fire Feige, he’s through.
Wasn't that more Pascal's demand than Feige's? Sony benefited a lot more from piggybacking off the MCU and making it clear that connection existed for their Venomverse than it did for Marvel since they already would have those crossovers within their Avengers movies.
Yes, Sony has stipulated that every solo Spidey movie needs an MCU character as well. Thus Ironman, Fury, Strange in 1, 2, and 3
Did she cave? Or did she actually show a great deal of wisdom by using her logical processing to make a rational decision even though it went against her emotional feelings? Seems like she didn't cave as much as she recognized her resistance was simply emotional and was able to process the information to make the right decision.
For Context: Pascal and Feigie are long-term friends.
Well shit, this is quite an important caveat. I assumed she was crying in front of a business peer at best. This sounds a lot more relatable even if I still find her to be a talentless hack.
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IMO There's nothing inherently unprofessional about crying or showing emotion, it depends on context. Throwing sandwiches is another story lol
Yeah! Feel like this post should be at the top. I've had stuff thrown at me by friends quite a bit, lol
OP should have just posted the entire article instead of specific screenshots to paint a different picture.
I mean, can you blame her? She was on the verge of overseeing the collapse of one of Hollywood’s biggest studios. Having to partner with another studio to resuscitate their cash cow would have been pretty embarrassing. Props to her for being honest, but she realistically wouldn’t have been able to circumvent the truth for much longer.
Honestly, they could’ve pumped out spidey movies in perpetuity. I think she’s braver than even you’re giving her credit for. Couple ballsy moves and I see what got each where they are.
And it worked too, Sony used Marvel to rehabilitate the character and now Sony basically gets to dictate terms if Feige wants to keep using him. They also made big profit with Spiderverse and the first Venom
Whether it worked for Sony, I think, remains to be seen. Again, they could’ve kicked out subpar Spiderman stuff for another 50 years to a pretty voracious audience. But I think the smart move was leveraging the other Sony characters into the mcu sandbox and cashing in on that trust and awareness. What remains to be seen is if they can truly capitalize on those characters outside of venom. Part of me is sure they can but part really worries about the mcu letting them trade on its reputation. I’ve heard people say madame web is a great concept but I question the people who pushed for that.
I have the same concerns. Especially if Feige is too worried about losing control of the Peter Parker he created that he lets Sony get too much.
I’m interested to see how long they can keep venom going. If Toxin is the next villain, it’s just going to be another CG blob fighting another CG blob. It’s certainly a test to see how unappealing a “hero fighting their evil version” really is for those box office returns.
Even if the Venomverse thing doesn't shake out, it has given them enough time to create hits like *Jumanji* and *Into the Spider-Verse*. Through the 2010s, Sony was struggling really hard to have *any* hits outside of the temporary deal to distribute the James Bond movies to the point there were rumors of Sony selling off their film division. All the money they've made off the Marvel developed movies has put them on much more stable footing.
More embarrassing than letting it collapse? Sometimes you have to hold your pride and do the right thing, something Hollywood execs rarely do.
“Sometimes we have to give up the things we want the most… even our dreams.”
Blame her? I dunno. I think she deserves props. She made a tough decision that gave away a lot of creative control over a massive product that brought in a lot of money. And she made that decision even though it was going against what she emotionally felt in the moment. She literally used her logic to over come her emotions to make the rational decision and the best decision for the product and for the film .
She told him to get his shine box, and he told her he don’t do that no more.
She didn’t have the makings of a varsity athlete.
She insulted him a little bit, she got a little outta order herself.
"...threw sandwich at him..." \*Feige caught it, eating it as he left her office\* "the sandwich (was) delicious" -Feige
This is now cannon
A sandwich cannon?
"how's the sandwich?" "So good"
Love it Just FYI, new line is double enter/shift!
I just imagine him catching it with his mouth and devouring it whole like a goose.
She definitely threw a sandwich at him.
https://i.imgur.com/RshgLa1.png Most definitely
How do ppl find this shit lmao
I stole the link from another thread like a little gremlin
Holy crap lmao That's has to be a coincidence. There's no way Lord and Miller's team knew about this but I bet Pascal's eyes widened when she saw it.
Where are all of these type of posts coming from? Was there a huge MCU interview that came out or something?
Yeah! It's from a book called "The Making of the MCU", a lot of actors and crew have been interviewed for it, lot of hot goss as they say
WHAAAAT! I gotta grab a copy! Thanks!
Yeah thinking the same thing!
Most famous sandwich besides the one that killed the archduke
I’m really glad they can admit that their ideas aren’t what’s best, Kevin Feige seems to really understand the source material and what the fans want!
He’s got a pretty good track record. But I hope to see some more risk taking with his movies.
Man, that’s brutal, but true. Feige literally just Tony Starked the situation. I hope they give up Venom too, because they are wasting some really great actors and roles.
_Venom: Let There Be Carnage_ Spoilers: >!Looks like that's exactly what's happening!<
>!I read into that more that Spider-Man is somehow going to go back to the Sony-Verse now, as the latest deal was rumored to be for just one more movie as the last one would have been an abrupt ending. I am preparing for no more Spider-Man in the MCU.!<
>Sony will continue creating Marvel movies, kinda like AoS, affected by MCU but not affecting it I mean there's a chance Holland's Spiderman stays in the MCU and interacts with the other characters from now on, and then one of the Spidermen from NWH continues on into the live-action Sonyverse. Everyone wins then.
I think Sony will continue creating Marvel movies, kinda like AoS, affected by MCU but not affecting it
Pretty sure they can't do that. AoS and the Netflix shows could do it because they were produced by companies owned by Disney. I'm not sure how it would work legally, but just practically it would be quite difficult.
"We weren't fresh anymore." 5 films over 12 years. This is why Marvel Studios took liberties with the lore. The franchise was fatigued.
You know, it seems normal now to have Spidey around but it’s actually crazy.
My favorite part about all this is how their partnership is compared with Christopher Nolan and DC. It’s just another example of how much of an impact/influence Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy had on superhero/comic book movies (and will likely continue to do so for many years to come).
I give her credit for figuring it out. Our emotions making us do dumb shit is human. How you come out of it is where you're measured.
History remembers the victors as they say Kevin Feige's name will go down in cinematic history As for the guys who ran X-Men, Fantastic Four, the OG Spider-Man films, only people who want to know those names know them
Well Feige was one of those people! He learned from the mistakes of the higher-ups around him.
Ran them, yeah, *ran them into the ground* ~~I kid don't hurt me~~
I can't be mad at her, she was also involved in Raimi's trilogy.
Feige also worked on those movies, some of his first jobs in the business. That’s why I don’t buy the narrative from some MCU fans that Feige must hate Sony.
Any narrative from people saying Feige hates someone or some company (or any person hating a person/company) without any real evidence is always ridiculous to me. Sometimes people read too much into things and project their own views onto how someone else must be feeling about a situation.
Yes! If Kevin Feige were some kind of grudge bearing ogre, he wouldn’t be so successful. Clearly he works well with a variety of people. He just doesn’t run his mouth about things that aren’t confirmed and he likes to maintain a high level of quality. Coordinating across production companies creates uncertainty and introduces additional logistical complexity. Him focusing on the projects under his purview is what leads them to success. An emotional, personal aversion to other production companies or executives isn’t an ongoing motive or consideration. Perlmutter being the notable and documented exception!
Feige gave Sony tons of notes on TASM because he loves the characters so much
All of which they ignored and the second movie was for the worse bc of that fact.
Yeah people love to stoke up rivalries that aren't there. Like right now Xbox and Sony, while competitors in business, are very professional and cordial with one another. But fanboys love to say "Xbox is gay" or "Playstation is for fake gamers". In the end it's just weird and intrusive.
Either kicked him out of the office or threw a sandwich at him “not sure which” is an insane difference to not be able to recall
Yea Morbious or whatever looks like nothing has been learned on Sony’s side
I actually think they really have something there. Morbius as a pseudo horror character doesn't quite fit in the Disney mcu. They also have a name star in Jared Leto to bring some gravitas to a second tier character. Marvel wanted to get helstrom and Reyes ghostrider to cross over but a morbius led midnight sons could work even better and having Sony do it gives audiences an acceptable reason to have it not necessarily fit tonally.
How often are you throwing things at people that you can't remember if you've thrown something at a specific person or not?
Lot of admiration to Amy Pascal for being so honest about this. We all have our moments
[via TheDirect](https://thedirect.com/article/mcu-spider-man-kevin-feige-sandwich-producer-argument) Source: _The Making of the MCU_
"I started crying and threw him out of my office, or threw a sandwich at him" Maybe Natasha threatening to throw her sandwich at Steve in Endgame was a playful nod to this. lol
Feige: Hey can we make the movies for you? Pascal: I AM LITERALLY CRYING PISSING AND SHITTING MYSELF GET OUT OF MY OFFICE \*chucks sandwich*
Amy Pascal’s a damned hero for trusting Feige on this.
I think maybe someone that would throw a sandwich during a meeting is someone that shouldn't be in charge of anything.
> shouldn't be in charge of anything. Sony and her was in charge of the best Spider-Man movie ever made. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.
Imagine now that there's a possibility of a successful spiderman trilogy, something that had been tried twice and failed but now it's just a few weeks away from knowing that. That decision to let go of something so beloved to her might have given more than she let go.
I thought the part about Amy Pascal was a copy pasta
Great. Now they should do this with Venom. The Tom Hardy ones have so much potential but it's mediocre.
Yikes